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On location: Pirates 5, Cardinals 4

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (64-42) vs. St. Louis Cardinals (62-43)

Starters: LHP Jeff Locke vs. RHP Adam Wainwright

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Russell Martin, C
  6. Garrett Jones, 1B
  7. Alex Presley, RF
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Locke, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel and I are here. I’ll be writing the Thursday column.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier


    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Today’s Pick ‘Em Line
    Total WALKS ISSUED by Jeff Locke in tonight’s game
    0-1 (DOUBLE ODDS)
    2-3 (EVEN ODDS)
    4-5 (EVEN ODDS)
    6 or more (TRIP-TRIP-TRIPLE ODDS)

    Please Note – All games must be considered official games in order for line(s) to be valid. Any postponement, cancellation, or suspension of game(s) will void line(s).

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    64 Down, only 18 more to go!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM & BREAK .500

  2. Dom says:

    50 ON 4-5!!!

  3. Nick says:

    Can we please play Mercer. He’s like one of the few who hits with runners in scoring position.

  4. Bizrow says:

    100 on 2-3, tonight I think he’s in control

    Thanks, Playoffs

  5. theplanisworking says:


    LETS GO BUCS!!!!

  6. JaxBuc says:

    Please sir, may I have 100 Wednesday Widgets on the 4-5 line?

  7. Karen22 says:

    100 on 2-3.

    Let’s make it FOUR on the way to a sweeeeeeeeeep!!

    GO BUCS!!

  8. Milo Hamilton says:

    Looks like Bud Norris to Baltimore. Dodged a bullet there.

  9. Frankie says:

    100 on 2-3


  10. pattonbb says:

    100 on 4-5

  11. The Gunner says:

    agree 100%

  12. Thundercrack says:

    We never give up prospects

  13. blazer says:

    I will take 100 on the 0-1 line. Perfect control to best another good pitcher.

  14. casper in a-town says:

    Agreed. If there’s one year to stand pat, given our record, resilience and paucity of quality acquisitions, this is it. This is the worst trade market I’ve seen in my lifetime.

  15. casper in a-town says:

    And unlike last year, I think this team would appreciate the vote of confidence if the front office didn’t make a trade.

  16. Lad9 says:

    + many. You nailed that Milo. Didn’t want him at all.

  17. Milo Hamilton says:

    Pirates seen searching a lake outside Bristol Connecticut for a potential trading partner.

  18. theplanisworking says:


  19. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice job last night, making sure Arizona lost.

  20. Lad9 says:

    Will put on 100 well smoked St. Louis style ribs on 4-5 walks Mr. Playoffs sir. Thank you. Go Buccos!

  21. Milo Hamilton says:

    There’s an enormous difference between a prospect and a minor leaguer. All these guys they call prospects, aren’t really.

  22. cosmo says:

    100 on the 4-5 line please.

    And to steal a line from the late “Badger Bob”, “IT’S A GEAT DAY FOR HOCK– BASEBALL”


  23. Eric Bowser says:

    Going to say it again, Pirates have a .660 OPS problem in RF… get an everyday RF or acquire 1B and move Jones to RF. Of all years to NOT do anything at trade deadline and it is their first time after TWENTY LOSING SEASONS being somebody and they don’t have their man yet.

  24. Cobra39 says:

    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 6m

    #Pirates are quiet.

    ^^^^ That’s just great. :\

  25. Dom says:

    I wonder what the trade offer was to the Angels for Trumbo? I would have had no problem if they would have offered Polanco or Taillon.

  26. Lad9 says:

    Wasn’t hard but thanks. The Rays are a nice team and Ben Zobrist was absolutely dialed in at the plate. Four smoking line drives and a walk. And the former Fausto Carmona made the Snakes look sick. To me the A’s and the Rays are the class of the AL. Hmm. A rhyme. Kind of like Jandy and Brandie as the queens of the blog! :)

  27. Milo Hamilton says:

    People like to talk about August but there’s one small problem in the Pirates current situation. Every team can block their move. The only guys likely to make it all the way through to them make more money than they’re willing to pay.

  28. AJS says:

    3 minutes. Yawn. It was a lousy trade market and most everyone stayed paat but man, almost anything is an upgrade over the current RF situation. Have to believe that Neil could have talked the price on Rios or Schierholtz down enough to make the deal worth it.

    Guess we will be keeping our eyes open for some of those silly waiver deals.

  29. AJS says:

    Seeing as how it was a “young arm” my guess is it started with Glasnow or Kingman(Kingham? I can’t remember the dudes name)

  30. PirateFaninGA says:

    If NH did make the call, I commend him. It takes two to tango, but at least he want for a legit youngish bat. Not a washed up rental, etc.

  31. Karen22 says:

    Witching hour…allll quiet. Vewwy vewwy quiet…..

  32. Lad9 says:

    Awesome! LMAO.

  33. Arriba Wilver says:


  34. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hope you’re having a good time. I love that area.

  35. Bill Born says:

    100 on 4-5 line
    Thanks for doing this.

  36. Arriba Wilver says:

    100 on 2-3 please.

  37. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks, Elmer !!!! :)

  38. Drew71 says:

    Just win, baby.

  39. Milo Hamilton says:

    McKenry to have knee surgery.

  40. Dom says:

    Does that means he’s done?

  41. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’s the BMTIB. Won’t know till 4:30 if they made a deal.

  42. NMR says:

    Do I really have to make the first Hoes joke?

    I wonder if Selig allowed cash to change hands in the deal?

  43. Sanchez for the rest of the season. No Navarro yet.

  44. Milo Hamilton says:

    Still waiting on 1 trade.

  45. JMB says:

    Oh well.

    At least no one else acq’d Stanton or Pence.

    I guess we will dance with what brung us…

  46. NMR says:

    My Ben Zobrist man-crush just got itched.

  47. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s 4:30 six months from now.

  48. Lad9 says:

    I am. Thank you. It is my fourth time down here and I never get tired of it. It is beautiful, the seafood is incredible, and there is a ton to do. Looking forward to seeing Stetson Allie and Alan Hanson tomorrow.

  49. Sisyphus says:

    Why do we have to believe that he could have talked the price down?

  50. Nate83 says:

    Well if this is it and no other trades are made out of all the players traded (which are very few) the only one I would have liked to see in a Pirates uniform because it would have made them better would be Garza. Maybe Soriano but I’m not sold he would have added much value.

  51. Stuart says:

    Playoffs, Please record a wager of 100 kopeks pm the 2-3 line for Monsignor Locke.

    Thank You

    Finally Above Zero Stuart

  52. NMR says:

    “Have to believe that Neil could have talked the price on Rios or Schierholtz down enough to make the deal worth it.”

    Ya know, at 9am this morning I would’ve agreed with you…

    But to not have one single hitter be traded across the entire league?

    What the hell is goin’ on out there??

  53. Kevin says:

    ya, he’s no Ray Shero. :p

  54. Dom says:

    Supposedly, the Buccos didn’t meet the demands for either of their two outfielders on the market.

  55. NMR says:

    Hahaha, Dom, you’re awesome.

  56. Kevin says:

    100 happy holliday assists on 2-3 walks issued by Lockie tonight, please & thanks, Mr. Playoffs sir!

  57. Sisyphus says:

    Lots of delusional GMs out there.

    Hope the sellers were the delusional ones, lol.

  58. Or maybe they won’t announce it at all.

  59. radio wave says:

    At playoffs: I will go with 50 on two or three strikeouts tonight. Keeping the blanket and pillow ready for another night on the sofa after a win.

  60. Milo Hamilton says:

    But they tried. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

  61. Naje says:

    And they tried to be 22 games over .500, too…. guess somebody’s plan is working.

  62. Kevin says:

    and McKenry was finally looking better… well I guess one game being 4-for-5 is better than 0-for-whatever.

  63. theplanisworking says:

    Or they will announce it when the Penguins or Steelers do something big.

  64. Milo Hamilton says:

    Adrian Peterson would be back next Tuesday, but I’m not sure about The Fort.

  65. pattonbb says:

    Oh well, guess we’re just stuck with having the best record in baseball. They really failed to improve on that.

  66. Nate83 says:

    Wait!!!! They are 22 games above .500? That changes everything. They definately screwed up by not getting someone/anyone.

  67. NMR says:

    Feels like everybody outsmarted themselves.

  68. Dom says:

    I don’t like this one bit. I would have overpaid for Byrd or one of the guys from the Cubs, including Soriano as oppose to nothing at all.

  69. NMR says:

    Bet you never predicted that response, Milo. :)

  70. Karen22 says:

    Nuttin’, honey! ONWARD!

  71. Naje says:

    no disrespect, Milo… and it is a funny quip…got a chuckle outta me…

  72. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m going to do this once.


    And I know what their record is, but thanks for the reminder.

  73. Nate83 says:

    A few trades made in the AL. Very little in the NL. Almost shocking. Although the NL seems to be shaping up as 6 teams fighting for 5 spots and if the Dodgers pull away from Arizona it is pretty much set as Atlanta, Pirates, Cards, Reds and Dodgers.

    If Molina is out for a long period of time I kind of like the Pirates chances to take the division. That guy is so important to that team.

  74. Dom says:

    I also would have paid a huge price for Tumbo. I obviously have no idea who the Buccos were willing to part with but I would be willing to deal Taillon and Polanco for him.

  75. Milo Hamilton says:

    All good Mr. Naje.

  76. NMR says:

    Thank god you’re not the GM cuz I don’t wanna sale the farm.

  77. Nate83 says:

    I agree it is a weakness and I to wish they could have addressed it. San Fran. is apperntly happy keeping Pence and getting the compensation pick or possibly resigning him.

    I don’t understand what the White Sox are doing. Doesn’t make any sense. Almost feels like the GM is too proud to admit that Rios isn’t worth what he is getting paid and wants a return that would be equal to a player that deserves to get paid what Rios does.

    Seems like Byrd or Schierholtz should have been achievable but maybe they were not as available as we thought. Neither of them was traded anywhere.

  78. Milo Hamilton says:

    Still awaiting word from Anthony Weiner on the Hoes trade.

  79. NMR says:

    I’m disappointed that Bud Freakin’ Norris is the most interesting player to talk about.

    Baltimore trying the throw-sh*t-at-the-wall approach two years in a row.

  80. Domske,

    That’s why I’m glad you are NOT part of the BMTIB.

  81. Steelag70 says:

    It’s not about selling the farm, but sometimes you have to overpay to get a deal done….RF is still a black hole…it is VERY disappointing…

  82. JD says:

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  83. Nate83 says:

    I don’t know why this is funny but it is. Literally made me laugh out loud.

  84. NMR says:

    That is one man who is certainly not underwhelmed by acquiring Hoes.

  85. Steelag70 says:

    They couldn’t even get DeJesus from the Cubs…

  86. NMR says:

    sarcasm :)

  87. Milo Hamilton says:

    Huma apparently was unimpressed.

  88. Is it safe to exhale yet . . . . . we are not past Frank Coonnelly-time, as established in the Pedro Alvarez negotiations: an hour after curfew!

  89. Naje says:

    Hoes wanted Bunz more than Weiner.

  90. Dom says:

    I know that’s a lot to give up but this is a unique circumstance. We want to win a world series and are in prime position to do so this season. We could very well have a losing season next year, regardless of whether Taillon and Polanco are contributing. Let’s also not forget that Trumbo is signed for the next few years. Those guys don’t get parted for nothing.

  91. Sisyphus says:

    He’ll be here all week, folks


  92. theplanisworking says:

    Who is Hummas?

  93. Nate83 says:

    To use one of the many terms you hear non stop during the last few weeks I think they may have been just kicking the tires on him. He would have been a slight upgrade if at all and they may have just been seeing if they could have him for a bag of balls. Theo probably said why should I help you guys. I wasn’t here when you handed us Aramis Ramirez for nothing.

  94. Steelag70 says:

    Agreed Milo….

  95. Dom says:

    Is NH going to have a news conference to inform us that nothing was done?

  96. Bob Hasis says:

    And I think you will enjoy it – very much

  97. NMR says:

    Or the Sox just realize that there is no need to settle on a price they weren’t happy getting.

    Think about last winters CF market. Span and Revere became hot commodities when Bourn and Upton’s price was high.

    Heck, think about Juston Upton.

    The Rays have dangled guys at the deadline to judge the market before trading them during the off season as well. Almost certainly will do that very thing this winter with Price.

  98. Milo Hamilton says:

    Mrs. Weiner. For now.

  99. NMR says:

    A Greek dish made from chick peas

  100. theplanisworking says:

    If he does, it will be underwhelming. ;)

  101. tpbco says:

    Well obviously NH is the anti-Shero.

    We’ll find out if it works.

  102. NMR says:

    Who is going to be the first to stick a microphone in Neil Walker’s face and ask if he’s disappointed again?

  103. Karen22 says:

    Chick peas and tahini dip. And DON’T call me “Shirley!”

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    Roasted red pepper is my favorite.

  105. Karen22 says:

    GAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! You beat me by a minute!!!

  106. Steelag70 says:

    Bob…RF is still a problem…

  107. Matt hoffman says:

    I’m one that didn’t want a trade just for the sake of a trade, but I did hear that the White Sox wanted a sack of baseballs for Travis Snyder and unbelievably NH wouldn’t budge!!!

  108. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Absolutely amazing how in the NHL, where seemingly every team makes the playoffs,
    There can be dozens of trades at the deadline.

    Yet in MLB, where only one-third of all teams make the post-season,
    3 trades get made all day.

    What gives???

  109. Thundercrack says:


    My money is on Vinnie or Zangrilli

  110. Dom says:

    BOO!!! NH couldn’t get ANYTHING done? Nothing? I could have understood if we settled for Byrd but nothing? Completely unacceptable.

    You all seem to be taking this a lot better than I am.

  111. NMR says:

    24/7 was the first to light that fire last year, wasn’t he?

    I remember his monthly Bucco Blog post being somewhat of a catalyst.

  112. theplanisworking says:

    Do Weiners and chick peas go together???
    (Greek or not) ;)

  113. Thundercrack says:

    I’m surprised they didn’t even add a bat to strengthen the bench / pinch hitting

  114. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    It would be one thing if everyone else was making moved and NH sat on his hands and watched.
    But no one seemed to be willing to trade at all.

  115. NMR says:

    It’s a lot easier to accept not getting a date to the prom when none of your friends do either.

  116. NMR says:


  117. Naje says:

    Hoping the team’s leadership group (consisting of Burnett, Martin, Cutch, Barmes and some mystery person in Inge’s absence) keeps everything together…

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    Beat Em Bucs

    Go like 60 (only in 60 Joe L Brown made a trade or two at the deadline)

    I’m ok with no deals, there was nothing real exciting available

  119. theplanisworking says:


  120. Thundercrack says:

    In his article this afternoon, 24/7 reports that the Bucs did contact the Marlins about Stanton. They made an offer –which did cause the Marlins to pause and consider it.

  121. JohninOshkosh says:

    I was thinking the same thing. In that sport the fans are mad if you don’t go out and get rentals.

  122. tpbco says:

    Not really.

    I just think psychologically it’s tougher to rant about it when their in 1st place.

    Personally, I wanted to see a move to give them a serious run, NOT just be happy to break the 20 year blues and/or just be happy to make the playoffs.

    Sometimes if you get to it and don’t do it…you never get to it to do it again….to paraphrase an old college toast.

  123. Milo Hamilton says:

    What are you talking about ? The whole school’s not going. Nothing there but bad scenery & Eve Arden.

  124. Buster Griffing says:

    Agreed. Was watching John Kruk this afternoon and he said players for Boston were happily texting friends after the Peavey acquisition, whereas the Pirates players have to be wondering what the front office is doing for them. Fortunately, Tim Kurkjian and Buster Olney pushed back, noting that the deals Pittsburgh made the last two years were followed by tailspins. Think about if you are Tabata and Presley. There is pressure, but there also is the idea that all you have to do is play a little bit better to make a difference (a combined OPS of .720 would provide a lift) and that your teammates want it to be you who does it.

  125. NMR says:

    Every Pirate fan should send Theo an email thanking him for refusing to trade Dioner Navarro to the Cardinals.

    Yadi replaced by Tony Cruz makes St Louis a completely different team.

  126. Thundercrack says:

    I wonder if there would be more trades – like in the NHL – if teams could trade draft picks?

  127. Kevin says:

    yes! exactly. one wonders if Ray had used the do-nothing approach where that would have got us. Probably still woulda lost 4 in a row to the Iginla-supported Bruins.

  128. NMR says:

    This trade deadline turned into a huge sausage fest.

  129. JohninOshkosh says:

    In light of today’s spirited blog, and for its entertainment value alone, I am hoping the following happens.

    RF Alex Presley goes 4-4 with a couple of homeruns.
    RF Alex Presley goes 0-4 with 2 K’s and leaves 6 RISP.

    Either way, I will be elated.

  130. NMR says:

    The Pulitzer has already been accepted on his behalf.

  131. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Good point!!

  132. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jandy and Brandie shot me down. Too shy to ask Karen.

  133. Buster Griffing says:

    Please, not Soriano. He’s expensive and he’s declining. Sure, he won one game for the Yankees right away and he did in the Pirates in Chicago a few weeks ago, but check his numbers with NY a month from now. I fully expect that there will more lowlights than highlights.

  134. John Lease says:

    McKenry potentially done for the year, had knee surgery.

    Now we really get to see what Sanchez can do, rusting on the bench.

    Does anyone know if Inge took the assignment to AAA?

  135. theplanisworking says:

    Well, my Underwhelming Deadline Day party is winding down here.

    Blues Traveler dove head-first into the taco dip.
    Frank stayed at the bar the whole time.
    neal had to take 14 Benadryls…… because he was breaking out in hives fearing he would have to part with any prospect.
    JHay and Snider were celebrating still mattering.


    Sadly, I called this last week.
    For those who complained abut the weak crop of players, some years that is the breaks.
    For those who said neal should do nothing, you got your wish.
    For those who said dont ever deal any prospects, you got your wish also.

    Obviously none of us know what was offered for who, but Schierholz probably could have been had. And he WOULD have been an improvement over what we currently have. But we saved the prospects.

    2 things…………………….

    1) All those saved prospects had better ALL have 1st ballot Hall of Fame careers.
    2) All those who support neal, and said no player was an upgrade……… keep Snider, JHay, etc……… please do not come back here next month complaining about how bad RF/1B still is. You got your wishes, now support those who are almost last in OPS.

    As Eric said yesterday in a game thread……………..

    Bottom of the 9th, 2 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd, Pedro to bat. He gets intentionally walked. Now you have a choice of Tabata, JHay, Snider, Sanchez to bat. Do you like those odds? Game over.

    Enjoy, guys.

  136. Buster Griffing says:

    Lincoln, Nebraska

  137. Eric Bowser says:

    I’m so excited… like totally pumped to see Tabata’s .329 OBP batting 2nd and Walker’s .726 OPS as #5 hitter.

  138. theplanisworking says:

    Welcome, Buster, and thanks for posting.

    Please do so more often.

  139. tpbco says:


    Not to pick nits, but I am pretty sure it’s spelled Bleier (since he has an *, among other things, he deserves it).

  140. Drew71 says:

    Dejan just called.

    He said this proves that 99% of the “reporting” of trade rumors was inaccurate.

  141. Drew71 says:

    Except for the package deal for Peavy.

  142. Brandie says:

    Is chick pea a euphemism for lady of the evening?

  143. JohninOshkosh says:

    I am very fond of your fine city, Buster !

  144. JohninOshkosh says:

    This is a family blog.

  145. Thundercrack says:

    1) All those saved prospects had better ALL have 1st ballot Hall of Fame careers.

    – Why can’t it just work out to be that the ‘prospects’ that the other teams asked for should turn into productive major league players?

  146. Thundercrack says:

    For those who said dont ever deal any prospects, you got your wish also.

    Who said that? Who was the person on this blog that said ‘don’t EVER deal any prospects?

  147. Brandie says:

    Ooh my sensitive ears.

  148. stickyweb says:

    Its hard out there for a pimp (like Selig)

  149. Drew71 says:

    I just figured out what that meant.

  150. JohninOshkosh says:

    I predicted you would say that !

  151. Thundercrack says:

    Obviously none of us know what was offered for who, but Schierholz probably could have been had.


    So we don’t know who was offered, but Schierholtz probably could have been had.

  152. stickyweb says:

    100 on 0-1. Loving me some double odds. Thanks.

  153. Karen22 says:

    Make that “had.” Yesterday – on his torn meniscus. Channeling the Pens with secrets.

  154. Thundercrack says:

    All those who support neal, and said no player was an upgrade……… keep Snider, JHay, etc…

    Can the person who said that no player was an upgrade and/or that they should keep JHay please step forward.

  155. theplanisworking says:

    When you protect prospects at all costs, being productive isnt good enough.
    In order to improve your team, you have to give some up occasionally.
    Obviously, the message sent is that our prospects are better than any established player.

    But, you and others got your wish…… we didnt send a prospect away for what you described this morning as “no improvement” players…………. despite the fact that other posters showed that the players had better stats.

  156. tpbco says:

    I have wondered about it too.

    Scab still not healed.

  157. Karen22 says:

    LOL! I’m guessing he WON’T be disappointed this season. (And picking up his own game will be a key)!

  158. Thundercrack says:

    For those who complained abut the weak crop of players, some years that is the breaks.

    I blame NH for the weak crop of players available this year.

  159. SlackBoss says:

    Love all the second guessing unemployed GMs that have convinced themselves that they could have gotten a deal done when most of the facts (lack of trades – particularly for bats, extreme overpays for starting pitchers) indicate otherwise. But then that’s what blogs are for – mostly ill informed opinions, rants and the occasional voice of reason. Its always more important to make that BIG TRADE. Ask Dave Littlefield and Matt Morris how those big trades for TODAY work out. – Well, there’s my rant.

  160. Karen22 says:

    Oh, please…it would be like going with your MOTHER, I am sure!

  161. Vette60 says:

    100 on 2 to 3


    Randy in RVA

  162. Brandie says:

    I would like 50 cubic zirconia rings on 4-5 please. Thanks!

  163. Dom says:

    I think some of our GMs over the years obtained so little for some of the rentals we dealt because we were willing to take the best offer and if it was relatively nothing. I know that worked out much less than it didn’t but I don’t understand why the GM of other teams were so unwilling to part with guys who will be gone at the end of the season.

  164. Brandie says:

    When did I do that and how much alcohol or money / free dinner was involved?

  165. Thundercrack says:

    What prospects???!!! Can you name the names of these prospects.

    We have lots of prospects, but no one but you is continuously is putting out this blanket statement that ‘we don’t want to trade prospects’.

    Taillon is a prospect, I think we should keep him.
    Josh Bell is listed as a prospect. If the deal is right I say trade him.
    Nick Kingham is a prospect. Go ahead, trade him.

    “In order to improve your team, you have to give some up occasionally.”
    Would you say the last year’s trade for Wandy falls into this category?

  166. Eric Bowser says:

    spare me your high horse….. you are a fan… well, maybe not.

  167. Jim S. says:

    Jerry Springer paid by check.

  168. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’m not overly thrilled that the Pirates added zero offense….But I’d be alot unhappier if the Reds and Cards were able to add.
    It always amazes me how the market is always “the opposite” of what Huntington is looking for…,,.

  169. Jim S. says:

    But, you don’t know how this works, PirateFan.

    If NH offers, it is never enough unless the deal gets done. If the deal doesn’t get done, it is never because the other side made unrealistic requests.

  170. Eric Bowser says:

    I’d like to know what the Cubs, Brewers, Mariners, Twins, Blue Jays, and Phillies were thinking hold onto their aging assets on a bad team.

  171. Lad9 says:

    I think my son and I have one now too. One helluva payer.

  172. Jim S. says:

    Great line, Milo – even by your standards.

  173. Brandie says:

    Dang! Milo’s on FIRE!

  174. cmat0829 says:

    You know, I’m in the middle on this… I’m disappointed the Bucs didn’t pick up a piece like perhaps Polanco of the Fish… and I really did expect DeJesus to be coming here …. that said, I can’t see spewing fire one way or the other, really. I’m very, very glad we didn’t “PANIC” and send out Taillon or Polanco for a marginal upgrade…. I also take comfort that hardly any other buyer made moves, including some minor ones like Cards getting Navarro from the Cubbies….

    This is a new era, folks,created by the 2nd wild card and finally, at long last, sanity sinking in for teams not called the Yankees or Dodgers or Red Sox… that you need to hold onto your top prospects and not ship them out like a drunken sailor…..

    I think to help move along the PROSPECT debate—- some feel strongly that most fail, so be aggressive and trade them, some treat them like their all first-born children… how about we change prospect to CURRENCY as an analogy. Fact is, the currency of the modern major league team is not ownership money (I’m sure the Nutting bloggers will have a field day now), it is prospect depth… so for those who advocate “Neal should’ve spent whatever it took to marginally improve the RF position or the bench”… if that currency is taken out of the business and can’t be used in the offseason or next trading deadline or the next one, is that still what you think?

    Yes, it’s true, many prospects fail, but until they do, while they are still prospects, the highly rated ones have a LOT of value… to the team that has them now in that they may become major league stars but also when the time is right, when the RETURN is right, to trade away for a major league addition. You will always overpay in prospects for major league starters because of the “some don’t make it factor’…other GMs aren’t stupid, they know that… so if one of your prospects you send away is that ‘lottery ticket’ future allstar, you don’t torch the front office, you just say “it happens”… same for the prospects that fail, it is all part of the game.

    Bucs are in first place and are actually in a better position for the playoffs now than before the deadline…reason being the big unknown (another NL club making big, bold moves at the deadline) is now known and the answer is NO.

  175. Brandie says:

    Good evening House of Loonies!

  176. Jim S. says:

    I agree with you, Milo. I thought several RF’s would be reasonable to obtain, but they didn’t get it done. We needed help there, one way or another.

  177. Jim S. says:

    Tip your wait staff on the way out.

  178. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Blogs are also for fake betting operations.

  179. cmat0829 says:

    Multiple reasons depending on the players and teams:

    1) they feel they can compete in 2014, especially with 2 wild cards now
    2) they need to keep fan base coming to games, finish strong to save their jobs, etc.
    3) they are delusional (Ruben Amaro, so glad he isn’t our GM)
    4) they have bad GMs (Toronto’s guy is truly awful and no idea why some rate him so high)
    5) they have PR issues post-Braun and need to save face

    You could add the Giants to that list, though Sabean has hardly ever sold, not sure he knows how to do it.

  180. Jim S. says:

    The deadline needs to be pushed back. Maybe more teams would see their fate a few weeks down the road.

  181. Jim S. says:

    I wanted Michael Young for our bench, myself.

  182. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Ryota Igarashi was shocked when he learned that the Pirates didn’t make any moves today.

  183. JRay3 says:

    The same team that has whipped up on the Cards three consecutive games and six of eight this year is the same team that will look to make it four consecutive tonight, I for one am good backing and supporting this group that entering August will have the best record in the game.

    NH is quoted he made offers, forced the issue that made him uncomfortable and was willing to do something stupid according to 24/7. Nothing materialized for many today. And I do not see a team in the NL that improved its lot either. If anything the Cards weakened with the loss of Molina and Robinson. Life moves forward so let’s play it out.

    This team is not perfect and is built on pitching and defense, has been all year to phenomenal results. All I can do now is hope AP, Tabby, a potential Lambo call-up can hold down the RF position (I’m not holding my breath but the team has won without that production all year).

    Great opportunity to move 2.5 games up in the standings, Let’s Go Locke, Let’s Go Bucs!

  184. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    You in Tampa?

  185. cherokee23 says:


  186. Jim S. says:

    St. Louis obviously didn’t want it badly enough. Don’t they realize they are in a pennant race? This is obviously their first rodeo.

    Sellers were all reasonable; buyers were totally nonsensical and unreasonable. That’s how I saw it – even though I had to read about all of it and don’t really know what happened..

  187. Jim S. says:

    I read Spring Training for Fort. He’s done, unfortunately. Unless Ray Ray gets him some deer antler spray, stat.

  188. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    True statement, especially if they continue to have the best record. They get last dibs.

  189. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I’ll enjoy AP slap hitting as much as I’ll enjoy Garrett Jones batting against LHP

  190. cherokee23 says:


  191. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    And still would be better than what the Pirates have in RF.

  192. theplanisworking says:

    No, thats sweet pea.

  193. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Good call on Molina Nate. Easily the Cardinals MVP.

  194. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    The Power for Trumbo……….done deal.

  195. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    He’s new

  196. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I was thinking the same thing….at the deadline, one of the busiest times of the year in MLB, Bud Norris is the big name moved on this day….

    Sad state of affairs we live in….

    Funny how it seems, at least to me anyhow, that the tides have turned on the sport and the wheelings and dealings. Some used to throw top prospects around for 30+ year olds like they had a fountain of youth, now, everybody seems to hang on to those guys, want the younger guys.

    Asking price high on Rios? My guess is White Sox didn’t want to eat a lot of that salary.

  197. Dom says:

    Good Post.

    I really didn’t understand why the Mets GM kept Byrd but a number of your points did address it.

  198. Ghost says:

    Yes! A friendly face amongst the feverish mob. Hiya Brandie.

  199. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Michael Young being traded wouldn’t be for anyone’s bench. I’d love to have him on ours, but he’s not a bench player.

  200. cmat0829 says:

    Have we all backed away from the sharp objects (or in the case of a few of you, please gotten much closer to them for the sanity of us all?) … ha ha, just kidding, it is very entertaining to read some of the passionate OPINIONS we all post here….

    Who’s to say that the quietest July deadline in recent memory (and this will be the new normal) doesn’t lead to a much more than usual August trade market?

    I know folks will say the Yankees will block every deal but fact is August deals do happen and I believe they will happen this year…. when a few more teams wake up and smell the burnt coffee and regret they didn’t sell in July…. no idea if the Reds or Cards will block each and every move the Bucs try to make, but I’m hoping they are IN POSITION to do so all month long…why , you say? Because that means the Bucs will be in first place and ahead of them in the standings. That is what I want more than a marginal upgrade in RF.

  201. cmat0829 says:

    maybe he will be biogenesis’d and the Mets will save his salary , who knows… but I think the Mets are in the “we can compete in 2014 camp”

  202. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    How is it settling for .282 /.325/.512/.837 17HRs and 60 RBI’s?

    Cause he’s cheap?

    I’ll take that production over the other guys.

  203. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I dont think Inge was a part of that club actually.

  204. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Hoe down maybe?

  205. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I’ll take option 2. I think AP is better than Snider, but that’s about it. Better eye than Marte, but not the threat that Marte is. Good speed, ugly defender. Split time with Tabby, I’m OK with that….I guess.

    At least its not Snider.

  206. Bob Hasis says:

    Thanks for using the word “marginal” in your last line, and may I add the word “dubious”

  207. BillyBaduka says:

    Now that’s funny.

  208. cmat0829 says:

    you’re welcome, i aim to please :) and my sharp object of choice was a pair of rusty scissors from 1992… but they are now safely put away.

  209. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I guess I read the lineup card wrong……

  210. Bob Hasis says:

    In the English Parliament, it is referred to as the House of Lords; I’m sure that’s what you meant!

  211. BillyBaduka says:

    Funny stuff

  212. JAL says:

    Soriano would not have come, they had a trade for him worked out and he refused it. He wanted NY or Boston and no where else.

  213. JAL says:

    that was last season they had a trade worked out

  214. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:


  215. cmat0829 says:

    I know GMs don’t “kiss and tell” but be interesting to know what offers NH made that ‘made him incredibly uncomfortable’… what ‘stupid offers’ he made…and what seller demands were ‘insane’ enough that we didn’t pull the trigger.

    I read Peter Gammons posted that Schierholtz had the 2nd highest OPS in MLB vs. RHPs and that “if you want that, you have to pay”… I’m guessing Theo asked for a top Bucs prospect for Nate and we turned it down…. Gammons is a mouthpiece for Theo at times….

  216. Bob Hasis says:

    I believe most teams now realize we have a very solid (and deep) farm system, and NH to his credit, I must say, senses this. If they wanted to get into our farm system, and pry something loose, they needed to come with the right commodities and arrangements.

    They didn’t!

    So we are here – and no worse off than before

  217. Ghost says:

    “Loonies” is the Canadian version.

  218. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    You would’ve nailed this with Elliot Spitzer…..Weiner just likes to tweet it

  219. JAL says:

    If anyone read the stories in the morning links this week you would know this was a very weak trade group. Who got much of anything? The two biggest players were pitchers.

    I keep seeing Soriano, as i posted above–they had no chance, he had the Pirates and pretty much every other team on his no trade list. Young would only agree to go the Yanks. There was not much out there.

  220. cmat0829 says:

    I’d say 2-3 , for 100 please…

  221. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Canadian dollar…..

  222. BDHumbert says:


    This is a toughie…
    Think Jeff will give us one of his better outings – 50 on 2-3

  223. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Worse name: the guy who pitched for the Pirates last night or the guy traded to Houston?

  224. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Agree. When Bud Norris is the talk of the day……pickins are slim.

  225. Jim S. says:

    I’m not a huge AP fan. But, he did crush one off the Clemente wall yesterday.

  226. Jason81 says:

    100 on 2-3, please!

  227. Bob Hasis says:

    St. Louis catching situation for the next 15 days – and maybe longer – is inferior to ours

  228. Bob Hasis says:


  229. BDHumbert says:

    Glad you are not in NH’s job…

    Trumbo was an interesting try – but let’s not go crazy – he was less than 2 in WAR and strikes out a ton – some have called him a right handed Pedro – and he might have liked the short RF in Pittsburgh – but I am not giving up on BOTH Talion and Polanco – one maybe – but not both…

    Nobody else would be a real upgrade over what we can have if Jones and Walker regress to their mean in the second half – Jones seems to be hitting the ball hard – still gets fooled more this year it seems.

    I would still like to see them bring up Lambo and DFA Tabatha – put him on First and Jones in right and see what happens

  230. Steelag70 says:

    Agreed….or just get rid of the non-waiver deadline period…

  231. Joey Mellons says:

    100 on 2-3 walks.

  232. Bob Hasis says:

    Don’t tell me Richard Cranium went to Houston?

  233. NMR says:

    Gotta disagree with Gammons there, only because we as Pirate fans have our own oft rumored platoon righty masher in Garrett Jones.

    When was the last time anybody offered something substantial for him?

  234. Jim S. says:

    Or, is it that the Cubs wouldn’t give him up unless we made a ridiculous offer to a team in our division?

  235. Jim S. says:


  236. KenKopp says:

    Just got home and was almost afraid to see what happened today. I am quite fine with nothing. I’ve already put my heart in with this group all year, and more importantly they’ve put their heart and souls into each other. I hope I’m not wrong, but this was my wish and I’ll live with the results.

    Really feel sorry for The Fort. Played with gusto the last couple years. Stayed in the game the other night with a tore up knee so Russ could rest his. True team player. Rooting for a good recovery for ya Mike.

    Almost game time.

    Go Bucs!

  237. NMR says:

    In hindsight, selling veterans in their free agent years for whatever he could get was probably a flawed approach since at the time, the draft compensation rules handed out free picks for just about anybody.

    Tampa stocked up on early round comp picks during this time period while Huntington was selling low on guys like Adam Laroche.

  238. Jim S. says:

    I guess you are right. But, he’s not Michael Young in his prime any more.

  239. cmat0829 says:

    that was gammons puppeting Theo….

  240. Jim S. says:


  241. NMR says:

    Irony: the year Huntington builds a deep pitching staff is the one in which only pitching was available.

  242. Steelag70 says:

    But also no better…

  243. NMR says:


    Now that TMZ tryouts are over, I wonder if any baseball “reporters” will get called up to the big leagues?

  244. Jim S. says:

    Good points, cmat. Actually, they do assign a $$ value to each level of prospect based on perceived talent, years of control, etc. Same with every player they consider obtaining. Only the Rangers, Dodgers and Angels now just go buy anyone they want. Even the Yankees had to stop that – well, until word leaked that they could be getting out from under Hank’s A-Rod deal and they promptly blew a bunch of money on Soriano.

  245. Dadtackular says:

    100 on 2-3

  246. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, like last winter when he obtained Martin, Gomez and Liriano.

  247. Ghost says:

    You didn’t think you were getting a real bumper sticker, did you?

  248. Jim S. says:

    He’s a mouthpiece for Theo at “all” times, cmat.

  249. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Of course, not, neither is Cliff Lee.

  250. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    He has some pop. More than Snider and Tabby combined, but that’s still not saying much.

  251. Jim S. says:

    Good thing he might be the best in the business at acquiring undervalued pitching talent in the off-season.

  252. Jim S. says:

    Nice thought, Ken. Well said about Fort. He’ll get another shot. Catchers always do.

  253. cmat0829 says:

    disagree, we are better because other NL contenders did not make a deadline move, which was a big threat …threat averted and that is better than we were before.

  254. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Game in a delay or is ESPN Gamecast that far behind?

  255. Eric Bowser says:

    Well, offensive improvement will need to come from within the current group of hitters.

    Marte – .277 avg needs to get back to around .300 as he’ll never be a high on-base guy with the lack of walks.

    Tabata – .329 OBP needs to get to .350

    Walker – .242 avg and .379 SLG isn’t good enough, needs to be .280-.300 avg with around .420+ SLG.

    Jones – .304 OBP and .433 SLG needs to get to .320-.330 OBP and .460-.480 SLG

    …. I’m not asking for anything beyond their talent level and at this point, it will have to happen in order to keep it up.

  256. Jim S. says:

    But, Lee is closer. Young is nothing special now. Lee is still pretty darn good, I think.

  257. pattonbb says:

    If any fellow out of town lunatics don’t know, tonight’s game is on espn.

  258. cmat0829 says:

    just started..

  259. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    See what they can do with the spotlight on them. I like it.

  260. Ghost says:

    I’m so glad NH finally changed course on that. He came into town thinking he could be the next Billy Beane and outsmart the system and other GM’s. In all fairness, I think that was what he was hired to do by Frank and Bob. But the Moneyball secret was out by 2007 and all Neal was doing was sending away MLB-proven talent for “prospects” like Andy LaRoche whom had been given up upon by the teams that drafted them.

    Nowadays, I think Neal & Co. might even be ahead of the curve. His ‘Moneyball’ is emphasizing pitching and smart defense. And if Neal has decided that “we know the value of our pitching prospects better than we know the value of other teams players,” I can live with that. Know your strengths, know your weaknesses. Neal, Searage and Co. are proving that they DO know pitching and defense.

  261. Jim S. says:

    And Melancon.

  262. Ghost says:

    And duck, and Canadians themselves… but we knew that. T’was just a wordplay joke on “Loonies.”

  263. Eric Bowser says:

    See it, hit it. Cardinals are simply hitting the ball where it is pitched and that’s perfect approach against a pitcher like Locke.

  264. Dave G says:

    Ugh. Cards look serious tonight.

  265. Slackboss says:

    High horse? Dissenting opinions are high horse? Lol – yes, I have been a fan for over 50 years. I want to see the Pirates be competitive for more than one season. Mid market teams like the Pirates need to trade wisely and try to retain as many prospects as possible. I think NH did a good job in a changing market. He could have panicked, but he didn’t . That is my take on it.

  266. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Good thing they play 9 innings…

  267. Slackboss says:

    Ugh – ended up in wrong thread

  268. Slackboss says:

    Nice response! Thoughtful, cogent, unnecessary

  269. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nights like this are why Adam Wainwright makes the big bucks.

  270. pattonbb says:

    Lucky to only give up 2 that inning.

  271. theplanisworking says:

    By sabotaging every single deal available…………. by saying you wouldnt give up this guy, or that guy, is the equivalent of saying never trade any prospects, even if you dont “technically” say that. You have stated multiple times that no player that could be acquired was going to be good enough, and giving up a “top” prospect for anyone was off the table.

    Again, sabotaging every single trade possibility is an excellent way to never trade any prospect.

  272. cmat0829 says:

    Who are these analysts on espn? Not surprised but they know next to nothing about the Pirates, Locke, etc… awkward listening to them try to sound informed.

  273. NMR says:

    That inning was exactly what “regression” looks like.

    Locke pitched no differently on that inning than he has in any recent start.

  274. cmat0829 says:

    they hardly ever swing for a home run (unlike Marte most at bats, Cutch often, Jones….) maybe RISP approach should be for SINGLES and not HRS?

  275. cmat0829 says:

    WOW, a leadoff walk to MARTE! right after the experts on espn said Wainright never walks anyone

  276. theplanisworking says:

    Name the prospects?
    Why? They never get traded, except for Robbie Grossman. Yes the Wandy trade last year did fall into that category, so that is the ONE exception to the rule. Just go back to neals history………….. Robbie Grossman is the only exception……… so when I say we dont want to trade prospects, it is accurate……….. but since you dont agree with my opinion, you come after me. Enjoy.

  277. cmat0829 says:

    these announcers are making me wish I had Brown/Walk… painful.

  278. pattonbb says:

    He walked someone! Maybe Matheny will go to the pen early.

  279. Eric Bowser says:

    Marte averages 3.84 pitches per plate appearance, draws 7 with leadoff walk.

  280. cmat0829 says:

    Wainright cost himself a double play…when will Cards pitchers learn?

  281. theplanisworking says:

    None of us are GM’s, so we dont know the inner workings. Logical right?

    Schierholz COULD have been had. I didnt say it was guaranteed. It COULD have happened. Sorry you dont understand.

  282. Eric Bowser says:

    Walker wasn’t exactly blazing down the line. He’s breaking down physically, not sure anyone really sees it.

  283. theplanisworking says:

    I believe you were a poster who said nobody was an upgrade, so that is why you sabotaged any deal out there. You also said you were comfortable keeping what we had.

  284. theplanisworking says:

    I blame you.

  285. Eric Bowser says:

    Wainwright isn’t exactly on top of his game either in first inning.

  286. Eric Bowser says:

    Pedro picks up Cutch and gets 70th RBI, cuts STL lead to 2-1.

  287. JRay3 says:

    El Toro gets one right back with his 70th RBI of the year…Bucs making Wainwright work in the first…22 pitches and counting.

  288. theplanisworking says:

    To be honest Slackboss, your original post came across as mean and condescending. So I would say you were unnecessary also.

    Just sayin.

  289. stickyweb says:

    True dat Ryan. Just a little power would be a huge improvement.

  290. Milo Hamilton says:

    Excellent, now we need a zero.

  291. Thundercrack says:

    So NH said that?

  292. Eric Bowser says:

    A run of zeros would be nice.

  293. pattonbb says:

    Alex Presley has 1 career HR against Wainwright.

    I think after tonight, he’ll have 2.

    Lets Go Bucs!!

  294. Thundercrack says:

    No I understand. It could have happened for Taillon or Polanco

    Would you have been happy with that deal? We would have traded prospects

  295. theplanisworking says:

    Do you think he is still hurt?

  296. Sweet Jimmy,

    It makes me extremely uncomfortable to see you write that.

  297. Thundercrack says:

    Ha! I don’t recall saying ‘nobody was an upgrade’

    I was not thrilled with names like Rios (and his contract)

  298. theplanisworking says:

    No, you did……… by saying you didnt like any of the players this year, and by saying you wouldnt give up much at all for said players.

    If one always says all the available players stink, and one also says that you wouldnt give anything of value for said players, then the built-in excuse of never trading anyone magically appears.

  299. Thundercrack says:

    You still haven’t named one prospect you would have traded away and for what player in return.

  300. theplanisworking says:

    You specifically listed Rios, Scheirhiolz, Pence, and Norris this morning.

    To my knowledge, those were always the players discussed.

  301. Eric Bowser says:


    I think physically, he’s breaking down. Once you have a back problem, that never goes away.

  302. Bob Hasis says:

    Any possible thought that young, quick, better leaping, 6’3″ SS with longer arms might have speared that line drive off of the tip of the SS glove?

    I/m just asking.

  303. theplanisworking says:

    Stetson Allie, Kyle MacPherson, Dilson Herrera …… any 2 of those for Scheirholz. 2 kid-levels for him would be good. It keep the top ten prospects protected (I think)……… there could be others, Maybe Kingham straight up if CWS wanted a top ten.

    Notice NOWHERE did I say trade Taillon, Polanco, Glasnow, etc.

    But why do I get the feeling you are just baiting me into naming names, so you can pick it apart? You have already stated this morning you wouldnt trade for the players available,…………………… I just threw these names out to show you you wouldnt have to sell the farm to hypothectically get something done.

  304. theplanisworking says:

    Hmmmmmm……. that isnt good.

    Doesnt bear well if he is always injured, less productive………… would hate to see him become a platoon player.

    But you do bring up a good point.

  305. bizrow says:

    Yes, he does, thanks

  306. theplanisworking says:

    See my response directly above.

    I wont answer your strawman about Taillon or Polanco, because they were never mentioned as the players to be traded.

  307. pattonbb says:

    They’re making Wainwright work.

  308. Eric Bowser says:

    Wainwright: 45 pitches
    Locke: 48 pitches

  309. pattonbb says:


  310. Milo Hamilton says:

    No it isn’t.

  311. pattonbb says:

    ….or not?

  312. pattonbb says:

    You’re right Mio.

  313. JohninOshkosh says:

    Longest single you will ever see.

  314. theplanisworking says:

    Milo has the unique ability to be right more often than not………… and quickly too.

    I bow to his knowledge.

  315. theplanisworking says:

    Pirates unlucky so far.

  316. Milo Hamilton says:

    I see that AJ is teaching Locke how to hold runners.

  317. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just out of curiosity. How much would one expect to pay for those seats directly behind home within the center field camera view ?

  318. Milo Hamilton says:

    About $250. Paul Christ is back there tonight. I don’t think Calipari’s seats are that good though.

  319. Bob Hasis says:

    You’d expect to pay $60, but you’d actually about twice that

  320. Bob Hasis says:


  321. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks. I don’t know why I was thinking about this but I remember these two clowns sat back there a few years ago wearing umpire masks and making mock ball/strike calls. It was an annoying telecast.

  322. Eric Bowser says:

    According to Twitter account – “@mlbdailydish: #Mariners trade Robert Andino to the #Pirates for a player to be named later.”

  323. theplanisworking says:

    Can you use a Groupon? ;)

  324. JohninOshkosh says:

    Yes. Walker!!!

  325. Eric Bowser says:

    I want to see more of that from Walker, tonight is a good start.

    3-2 Cards after that HR

  326. theplanisworking says:

    WALKER !!!!!!!!!!!

  327. JRay3 says:

    Have to like how the Bucs have answered each time the Cards have scored. Good to see Walker get one, Cutch just missed.

  328. theplanisworking says:

    with a break or two, Bucs could be up 2-1, or at least tied.

  329. Steelag70 says:

    JRay….absolutely..stung the ball that inning…Wainright is scuffling…

  330. Brandie says:


  331. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I was talking about the 7/31 deadline.
    It seems like when the Pirates are sellers….It’s a buyers market.
    When they are buyers….It’s a sellers market.
    Not sure how it seems to work out that way.

    Also..I’m well aware of the Huntington trades that have currently worked out.
    You don’t need to tell me things I know.
    We can debate the good ones and bad ones all night long.

  332. cmat0829 says:

    most parks it would be MUCH MUCH more for those seats.

  333. Steelag70 says:


  334. theplanisworking says:


  335. Milo Hamilton says:

    Enough already.

  336. cmat0829 says:

    wow, holliday is some good #2 hitter, goes to that 2b hole with regularity….. so much for his power, but that is the key to RISP, not hitting HRs and pulling outside pitches…but going for singles.

  337. Steelag70 says:

    Locke…2 rough outings since the ASG…he might be wearing down…

  338. JohninOshkosh says:

    Alex Rios would have thrown him out.

  339. CoolRudy says:

    Where’s Bud Norris when you need him.

  340. Thundercrack says:

    Right I did. None of those players do excite me (and only one got traded). So why would I trade a top prospect for them.

    But I am glad that you did name names. Kyle McPherson is injured so he is out of the mix.

    Here is the thing that bugs me plan, you are already judging NH’s performance at the trade deadline without knowing exactly who he offered. If we find out that he offered Kingham for Rios then we can continue this debate

  341. cmat0829 says:

    he’s a minor leaguer right? i.e. wouldn’t require waivers.

  342. Thundercrack says:


  343. Steelag70 says:

    Yes he would have…

  344. Jim S. says:


    Wouldn’t you at least say he has gotten pretty good at it the last few years?

    Last year, for instance, Gomez, Liriano, Mazzaro, Melancon were all “value” buys. Did any team do better than that?

  345. Thundercrack says:


  346. Jay H says:

    Robert Andino DFA’ed by Mariners May 24. Cleared waivers May 31. Outrighted to Tacoma (PCL), been there for 44 games hitting .229

  347. Jim S. says:


  348. Brandie says:

    Hello all!

    No trades, no up or downgrades. Guess the price was just too high. Don’t want another Jeromy Burnitz or Derek Bell or Raul Mondesi (you all get my meaning…no more scrap heap, Wal-Mart, has been/never was, Roll back, Reject specials). Again, all in is just words. We will see if the whims of the Baseball Gods and Goddesses dictate some later changes.

    No bridge jumping here. I might just land into the Blog’s version of the Snark Tank.

  349. Brandie says:

    Being the captain of my neighborhood bowling league with a name like that.

  350. Jim S. says:

    NW is hitting the ball quite hard since he came back from the DL. Even last night, when he took the O’fer, he had a few squared up.

  351. Milo Hamilton says:

    They have to pinch hit for Locke if Barmes gets aboard here.

  352. theplanisworking says:

    I want to see him do well.

  353. Jim S. says:

    Baltimore, I believe.

  354. theplanisworking says:

    No, you are too much of a legend to end up there.

    I just cant picture 63 inches of snark.

  355. Jim S. says:

    CB has not hit a HR in awhile.

  356. theplanisworking says:

    Bucs scratching back again. :)

  357. cmat0829 says:

    Barmes comes through !! This one is like I thought the 2nd game yesterday would go..back and forth…. Cards outfield defense really is suspect. Holliday is a hack and Beltran isn’t much better.

  358. JRay3 says:

    And for third time tonight the Bucs have an answer in their half of the inning as Clint Barmes comes through with two out RBI!

  359. cmat0829 says:

    wow u called milo are you sitting in the Bucs’ dugout?

  360. JRay3 says:

    Barmes 2-2 with RBI tonight

  361. Jim S. says:

    Ok, I’ll take that.

  362. Lad9 says:

    Brandie!!! Agree totally with your post. And like Hippo, I can’t see you in the snark tank. It’s way too crowded anyhow. How is life in muppet land?

  363. Eric Bowser says:

    Geoff Baker (reporter in Seattle) is reporting Robert Andino to Pirates for PTBNL

  364. theplanisworking says:

    TC, you consistently bring up the “top prospect” thing.
    No one has EVER said to trade a top prospect.
    I showed you how that could easily be avoided. And there were more names on the list I could have provided, I just pulled a few out.

    We will never know who he offered, he has already stated to a reported he wouldnt name names.

    As usual TC, we will just have to walk away disagreeing on almost everything.

  365. Milo Hamilton says:

    Vin Mazzaro – can he collect yet another decision ?

  366. Bob Hasis says:

    Surprised no one mentioned the speed of Presley, on a play where scoring from first doesn’t usually happen.

    Hustle, I think it’s called

  367. Milo Hamilton says:

    Special dispensation from the Pope ? Or is it some kind of minor league deal ?

  368. Jim S. says:

    I suggested earlier today that I thought the difference in speed and coverage of these two outfields was striking. Seemed pretty obvious to me, and also explains why we have such a great BABIP against (#1 in MLB) while St. Louis is down the list a ways.

  369. Milo Hamilton says:

    Or his throw to the plate. :)

  370. theplanisworking says:

    Evening, Laddy.

    Go find our Muppet………

  371. Lad9 says:

    Was about to say maybe you can do minor league deals in August. He might be able to be a back up in Indy.

  372. Jim S. says:

    You may be the feistiest man alive, Bob! I say that in a good way.

  373. Steelag70 says:

    Woo hooo….not

  374. Bob Hasis says:

    I’ve seen worse just the other day by Marte – who cleared everything and everyone.

  375. Jim S. says:

    BTW, I read that NH said that with continued growth, continued adjustments, Andrew Lambo could help in Pittsburgh this summer. So, for those advocating for this (a large % at one time or another), his efforts at AA and now AAA have been drawing notice from above.

  376. Thundercrack says:

    I hope it was for a prospect.

  377. Bob Hasis says:

    Thanks, because feisty can also be a pain in the butt

  378. Eric Bowser says:

    Deal doesn’t speak well for Chase d’Arnaud’s future if team needed to go get some minor league depth at SS.

  379. Bob Hasis says:

    I await his and Polanco’s arrival

  380. Lad9 says:

    Good evening my friend! I will put out an all muppet bulletin for her.

  381. theplanisworking says:

    Only if it was number #150 and below, right?

  382. Patrick(ri) says:

    Well, he finally beat one out. Nice job.

  383. Patrick(ri) says:

    By the ump, I guess.

  384. cmat0829 says:


  385. theplanisworking says:

    Thats a good one………… all muppet bulletin.

    Hope you are still enjoying your vacation.

  386. Bob Hasis says:

    Every team must live in fear of him leading off an inning safely

  387. Bob Hasis says:

    Sac. fly Milo?

  388. theplanisworking says:

    Dont they serve that at Middle Eastern restaurants???

  389. Bob Hasis says:

    Or a rundown play?

  390. Brandie says:

    LADSTER! It’s good to see ya. Nice to see you are getting some well deserved time off with the family.

    Now Matte with the bunt-single. YEA BUDDY!

  391. cmat0829 says:

    battling Bucs….ANOTHER sac fly…er sac line drive off of the ‘not so ace-like” Wainright…

  392. JRay3 says:

    Third sac fly this series, Cutch ties it! This is one scrappy, battling team, four runs off of the Cards ace.

  393. Bob Hasis says:

    Why would the 1st baseman cut that off?

  394. cmat0829 says:

    he COULD be a fantastic leadoff hitter, in time…. more plate discipline, more bunting…in some ways his speed would be wasted in middle of the order.

  395. Thundercrack says:

    Yes for Andino. See how that works?

  396. Lad9 says:

    Good call Bob.

  397. Jim S. says:

    Mmm … Mutton.

  398. Brandie says:

    Canadian Bacon!

  399. Thundercrack says:

    I asked the same thing.

  400. Patrick(ri) says:

    Regressing to the norm. 3 for July. Untold amounts for August & September.

  401. cmat0829 says:

    to save John Jay the embarrassment of that quail dying 10 feet in front of the plate in the grass…. boy the Cards outfield really does suck defensively. Good for us!

  402. Jim S. says:

    Yep & driving up the pitch counts. Shaping up as a battle of the bullpens. I like our chances most nights in that scenario.

  403. cmat0829 says:

    that’s free-range lamb.

  404. Brandie says:


  405. theplanisworking says:

    At least you didnt bring another strawman saying dont trade a top prospect, when no one says that.

    See how that works?

  406. Jim S. says:

    I’m sick of the sac flies already. Let’s go back to base hits.


  407. theplanisworking says:

    Brandie, Jandy was asking about you this morning.

  408. Eric Bowser says:

    Battlin Buccos…

  409. Brandie says:

    Hippo and Ladster and all,

    So good to see the sac fly back and our boys manufacturing runs. That’s fundamentalscat work.

  410. theplanisworking says:


  411. Lad9 says:

    I was waiting for that. Nice Jim. :)

  412. Jim S. says:

    He could turn PNC into Lamb-eau Field!

  413. theplanisworking says:

    I dont know if you saw it above, But Jandy was asking about you this morning.

  414. Brandie says:

    I worked all dang day. Missed you guys!

  415. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now the bad news is that Vin can get the loss. He will get a decision, he always seems to.

  416. Bob Hasis says:

    They wouldn’t get him there. I actually should have asked “why throw”. But your point is right – their OF stinks.

  417. Eric Bowser says:

    Walker needs to get that ball, that’s awfully weak

  418. 21sthebest says:

    I thought it

  419. 21sthebest says:

    I thought it stopped in the grass.

  420. Bob Hasis says:

    I’ll bet they wish Gomez wasn’t used last night. This is his perfect spot

  421. Jim S. says:

    Marte is hurt by the extreme lack of LHP the Bucs face. He scalds them. He is not susceptible to the low/away curve from lefties.

    I guess that could be said about a lot of guys.

  422. theplanisworking says:

    * Groan *………….

  423. Bob Hasis says:

    Don’t worry, the vacuum is in CF

  424. pattonbb says:

    Don’t know if I’d say Beltran stinks. But Matt Holiday is going to be a great DH one day.

  425. JRay3 says:

    Tip of the hat to Vin Mazzaro who turns in two quality innings of work to settle things back down.

  426. Lad9 says:

    Muppet located. Can’t hide that fire for long!

    Still having a great time here plan and Branimal. I definitely have not been underwhelmed this week. Other than that dud of a deadline for the entire league. It had to be a great vacation because I wanted to be at PNC Park something fierce.

  427. Jim S. says:

    Me, too.

  428. Brandie says:

    I was working extra.

  429. cmat0829 says:

    Beltran positions himself well (rather the Cards coaches do) to minimize how much he has to run on the knees that can’t last much longer.. yes, of the 3, he sucks the least. He is average to slightly below average.

  430. Eric Bowser says:

    yeah, two solid innings. He’s been up and down, never know with him.

  431. Brandie says:

    Glad to hear it. Glad to be sharing something special here with my fellow space cadets!

  432. theplanisworking says:

    Glad to see you tonight, and glad you are (tiredly) cheering for the Bucs.

  433. Milo Hamilton says:

    Remember when The Gunner used to call a double play a Hoover ?

  434. bizrow says:

    So the trade deadline has passed and most clubs passed as well as the PBC

    There wasn’t much out there to be excited about.

    We are eyeballing the RedBirds right now, I’m going to focus on that for now.

    I still say this team has some of that magic dust sprinkled on them

  435. cmat0829 says:

    Just saw on espn…CH’s record with the Bucs? 215-215. Best winning percentage through Leyland days I believe..maybe Tanner had a winning record?

  436. Brandie says:

    Put a Metallica lyric below, speaking of fire!

  437. Lad9 says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, he’s baaaaaack next week for two shows a night…..

  438. cmat0829 says:

    there were TWO trades made today of any significance I believe…..

  439. Bob Hasis says:

    I do

  440. Brandie says:

    Every Lambo boy and girl…
    All around the Lambo world…

    How low can you go?

    Yeah…I went there!

  441. Lad9 says:

    Same here. Opponents DP’s were sometimes called a Bissell. Not quite as good.

  442. JRay3 says:

    He inherited a 57 win team and has turned in 72 wins, 79 wins and just may hit his bold proclamation of 95 wins he through out back in spring training. Steady progression under his watch.

  443. Steelag70 says:

    Way to swing and miss Presley…

  444. Brandie says:

    I put a whole lot of thought in using the Metallica lyric. I heard that song this morning, thought of our Buccos and got goosebumps as I was driving the van to get kids near Jandy country.

  445. Jim S. says:

    I deserved that.

  446. Milo Hamilton says:

    A rare no decision for Vin. Good job holding the fort.

  447. theplanisworking says:

    At least you didnt quote Fade to Black……………

  448. Jim S. says:

    For me, Lambo would be a huge bonus. He was once a big-time prospect, but struggled the last few years, as many do. Now, maybe the light bulb has gone on for him.

    As for Polanco, I’m with you. He seems to be on a great trajectory to Pittsburgh.

  449. Jim S. says:

    He’s about a cheeseburger and a brat at the next cookout away, I’d say.

  450. Brandie says:

    Back in Black would have been better. :-)

  451. Jim S. says:

    In honor of our fallen catcher, Milo?

  452. JRay3 says:

    He needed to have better pitch recognition there, would have been first and second one out if he lays off curve in the dirt.

  453. Jim S. says:


  454. theplanisworking says:

    You make me laff.
    Heavy Metal Muppet.

  455. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s too bad for him. Just when he was coming around too.

  456. JRay3 says:

    Man Pedro can make difficult plays look easy, but he can make routine plays look difficult.

  457. Jim S. says:

    I know. I was thinking that today. He was so good for most of last year, then just could not get untracked this year. Finally, he started looking like the old Fort and he tears the knee up.

  458. Jim S. says:

    Why do I get the feeling there is still a lot of scoring coming tonight from each team?

  459. tdb1977 says:

    Sloppy defense this inning.

  460. Thundercrack says:

    Sounds like Walk & Nevrett are sick of each other

  461. Steelag70 says:

    Unfortunately we have a few guys who need better pitch recognition…

  462. JRay3 says:

    Ice cold- Tony Watson gets the K on nasty slider….how about first lead of the night boys!

  463. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tony Watson has a 1.44 ERA since May 17th. Hasn’t allowed a run since July 7th & only 1 run since June 12th.

  464. Lad9 says:

    Caught the lyric and it fit you perfect. And this IS something special. We were walking back from the sports bar were we watched the first few innings and passed a restaurant just as Neil homered. I found myself with my face pressed against the glass watching the replay and realized I was getting a few glances, shall we say, from the diners. Could have cared less. :)

  465. Milo Hamilton says:


  466. bizrow says:

    Ummm,exactly what trade impacts me and my club?

  467. Thundercrack says:

    Things are different this year. We’re getting every call against St Louis.

  468. Bob Hasis says:

    Text Clint and tell him it’s still July

  469. Lad9 says:

    Baseball has many sayings, some of which are completely inane, but “don’t let the ball play you” certainly applied there.

  470. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wow, what a fun summer this has been.

    I was actually singing “Take me out to the Ball Game” sitting alone in my bedroom. They didn’t show the bouncing cookie on television, but I was eating one of my wife’s chocolate chip cookies instead.

  471. Steelag70 says:

    Wow….we really improved RF…

  472. Brandie says:

    Dang Straight… I am enigma wrapped in a conundrum served in a warm flour tortilla!

  473. bizrow says:

    Either magic dust or bacon beer

    Not sure which it is :-)

  474. Lad9 says:

    So true Milo. He has been lights out for a long time.

  475. bizrow says:

    Its still relatively early

  476. Brandie says:

    I just want to say thanks to Revvie and Jandy for thinking of me earlier today. I am touched.

  477. Steelag70 says:

    Why do we swing at those?? Geeezz

  478. cmat0829 says:

    wow, that last pitch says a lot… 3-2 count, wainright throws a pitch that never was a strike, risking the walk and likely steal by Marte unless Marte was overaggressive and swung at the pitch out of the zone…. and voila… he got it.

  479. Steelag70 says:

    Biz…it’s been a season long problem…

  480. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s going back out there, hope I didn’t jinx him.

  481. cmat0829 says:

    i know i/m asking a lot, but i know marte was thinking…:”oh, let me swing for the fences on this fastball and be the hero” and not “watch out for that curve out of the zone, if he does that, I’ll walk right into scoring position, baby….”

    SO many Pirates have that ” we can only be heros by hitting HRs approach”.,. the only one that is allowed to do that should be Pedro

  482. Brandie says:

    Just like a kid pressing his face against the toy store window saying…”I want that!”. Only this time, the Buccos do not have to be on the outside looking in.

  483. JohninOshkosh says:

    Alexi Ramirez would have gotten to that grounder.

  484. Bob Hasis says:

    There is the rangeless defender

  485. Steelag70 says:


  486. cmat0829 says:

    this just in…. Pirates bullpen is G O O D

  487. Steelag70 says:

    Watson is a beast…

  488. JRay3 says:

    Pirates pen last two days versus Cards- 10 IP, 0 runs…shutdown arms.

  489. Lad9 says:

    You did not. Tony was dealing!

  490. Steelag70 says:

    This just in……their good!

  491. Brandie says:

    Revvie! Revvie! So good to see yinz!

  492. Brandie says:

    Hey Cards…STFD!

    YABBA DABBA DOO! The Pen is the Bedrock of your 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates!

  493. Thanks. Left for church and things weren’t lookin’ too good. Better now.

  494. Steelag70 says:


  495. theplanisworking says:

    Ok Betty…………..

  496. JRay3 says:

    Heads up base running by Walker to take a bag from Holliday to get in scoring position.

  497. Brandie says:

    Neil Walker doing his best impression if the Kool-Aid Man…Crashing through the calm tranquility of the ballgame with a base hit.

  498. theplanisworking says:

    MARTIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  499. Steelag70 says:


  500. JRay3 says:

    Walker gets himself in position and Martin delivers, BUCCOS LEAD! how about that?

  501. Eric Bowser says:

    Walker crisp single, tagged up on deep fly by Pedro to LF and solid single by Martin to knock him in.

    FUNDAMENTAL baseball.

    I love it.

  502. Brandie says:

    That’s my dog’s name…She’s black, just like in the song!

  503. Steelag70 says:

    This just in….Buccos are for real America….

  504. Brandie says:

    Doing your best Mel Allen!

  505. Steelag70 says:

    Uggghhh….I thought Molina was hurt??

  506. cmat0829 says:

    WOW, SMART play by Walker…taking advantage of the Cards DH in left field by getting into scoring position…and bingo, base hit = Melancon time.

  507. Lad9 says:

    +18. +55

  508. Brandie says:

    That’s what makes it FUN…When you use the Fundamentals!

  509. cmat0829 says:

    couldn’t agree more, like 3 minutes ago. :)

  510. Lad9 says:

    I didn’t understand the steal there, but forget about it. Shut em down Mark the Shark!

  511. Brandie says:

    Pittsburgh Pirates, 2013


  512. theplanisworking says:


  513. theplanisworking says:

    Like reading?

  514. Brandie says:

    Even better now that you’re here! Enjoy some quality baseball.

  515. Eric Bowser says:

    I believe before this season, I said Pirates would win 65 games….

  516. Brandie says:

    Why, yes Plan! Like reading signs that your coaches give you to steal, bunt, pitch high, pitch low, etc…

    Oh, you meant reading words?

  517. theplanisworking says:

    You’re a quick cookie. ;)

  518. tdb1977 says:

    Raise it!!!!

  519. Steelag70 says:

    Raise it!!!!

  520. Brandie says:

    Melancon…The Dancin’ Machine…Watch him get down!

  521. theplanisworking says:

    RAISE THE FAT JOLLY HIPPO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  522. Steelag70 says:

    The Mini-Van shuts the door!!

  523. cmat0829 says:

    RAISE THAT JOLLY ROGER…. get the brooms out!!!!!

  524. tdb1977 says:

    What were the Vegas odds for a Pirates 5 game sweep of the Cardinals before this series started? Someone is going to be a very rich person if they had gone with the 5 game sweep.

  525. JRay3 says:

    Behind five shutout innings turned in by the shark tank, an 8th inning two out game winning RBI from Russell Martin the Bucs win their fourth straight versus the Cardinals 5-4 and there was nooooooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Pirates are a season best 23 over .500 at 65-42, are now 7-2 versus St Louis, and close the month of July with a 14-12 mark. The Bucs head into August with a 2.5 game lead over the Birds for first place and 10 game lead for a playoff spot.

    The Bucs will go for the five game sweep tomorrow tomorrow night when Charlie Morton takes the mound for the Pirates.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  526. JRay3 says:

    Who new of the season ended in July you would have been spot on.

  527. cmat0829 says:

    The Bucs are regressing these Redbirds right back to St. Louie…

  528. pattonbb says:

    ….fear the Bones….

  529. Brandie says:

    Mmmmmmm. Quick Cookie!

  530. Lad9 says:

    RAISE IT!!! I don’t even know what to say. I’m as light as a feather. I’m as giddy as a schoolboy. It DOES feel like Christmas. WOOOO HOOOOO!

  531. theplanisworking says:

    Good night, Muppet. :)

  532. Brandie says:

    Catch ya on the flip side plan!

  533. Brandie says:

    RAD LAD! You said it.


  534. Steelag70 says:


  535. JohninOshkosh says:


  536. Milo Hamilton says:

    Pirates / Indians World Series. Joe Buck would need GPS for goodness sakes.

  537. JohninOshkosh says:

    Two full calendar months to play and the Pirates only need 17 more wins to end the streak.

    Un-freakin-be-liev-able !!!

  538. Brandie says:

    Wit and a half, Milo!

  539. Drew71 says:

    To put that another way, wit is half of what my wife calls me.

    The other half changes the whole meaning.

  540. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tell you what, if they win tomorrow it’ll rival the Boston Massacre of 1978.

  541. Karen22 says:

    That would be my DREAM Series! My home town Tribe (that gave me as much agita growing up as the Bucs have for the past 20 years) vs. my home since 1985 Pirates! And in the six (interminable) years I lived in Detroit, I had the 1984 Tigers.

    Pirates/Indians – oh YEAH!

  542. Karen22 says:

    That was so HUGE!

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