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By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …

>> The Friday column from PNC Park touts the Pirates’ middlemen for their decidedly non-middleman role.

Here’s some of what Justin Wilson had to say on that topic …

No one captures baseball like our Chris Horner, and you’re missing out on a sweet slice of all that’s happened this summer if you aren’t checking the Trib’s Pirates galleries regularly.

From one at-bat in yesterday’s 5-4 victory alone …

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Here’s the rest of our baseball coverage.

Here’s Marlins coverage from the Miami Herald.

Here are official game highlights from MLB.com.

>> The weekly chat is today at noon, right here on the blog. Come on, come all, bring Doritos.

>> Mike Tomlin sets the stage for what could be a riveting first dozen snaps tomorrow night for the Steelers, as Alan Robinson reports from Latrobe. In particular, Le’Veon Bell is essentially being handed the ball.

Speaking of the Steelers, an addendum to my July 28 column from Latrobe: One of the perils of any kind or article from early in any training camp is that things change quickly. Emmanuel Sanders came into camp being discussed as the team’s designated X receiver to replace Mike Wallace and, as you can see from his quotes in the piece, that’s what he was told upon arrival.

That interview was done the morning before the first practice and two days before the first full practice in pads, after which it became clear that a change was afoot: Antonio Brown was the X receiver, and Sanders the Z. Now, the Z is still a departure for Brown in that it still sends him from the slot to the outside.

Similarly, the two tackles switched sides, Mike Adams ending up at left and Marcus Gilbert at right.

Just wanted to catch up on the Xs and Zs there.

>> The Riverhounds have two more key matches this weekend, including the penultimate home date Sunday. Beat man Matt Grubba describes how they’re back in the playoff picture thanks to the back line.

>> I’ll be all football all weekend. American football on the North Shore tomorrow, obviously, then that other football on the South Shore the next afternoon. Looking forward to both.

>> Oh, and a half-hour before today’s chat, I’ll check in with TribLIVE Radio at 11:30 a.m.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.

Comments

  1. Drew71 says:

    Hi Dejan.

    DK: Hello, Newman.

  2. KenKopp says:

    Hi Dejan, Hi Drew.

    Another good day to be a Buc fan.

    Goodnight Dejan, Goodnight Drew.

    Go Bucs!

  3. JD says:

    Nice column DK.

    DK: Thanks, JD. Glad you liked it.

  4. Arriba Wilver says:

    Night moon.

  5. Eric Bowser says:

    * It really is happening… Pirates lead NL Central by 4 games!

    * Andrew Lambo not being on the 40-man roster by August 31 is quite stupid but what do I know, I’m just a poster on this blog, right Frank.

    * Plaxico Burress reportedly has rotator cuff tear, likely done for season. A weak group of receivers just got worse.

  6. Eric Bowser says:

    At this time of night, I’m thinking of Blue Moon.

  7. JohninOshkosh says:

    “In the great green room, there was a telephone
    And a red balloon
    And a picture of a cat jumping over the moon…”

  8. Arriba Wilver says:

    There are 2 vacancies according to the brain trust. What’s the relevance of whether Lambo’s on the 40 man? I’m serious, maybe there is, but I don’t get it at this point!

  9. Eric Bowser says:

    Are you asking relevance towards why I think he should be there?

    If so, as long as he’s on the 40-man roster, he’s eligible to be on the playoff roster and if he plays in September and produces, he should play in October.

  10. theplanisworking says:

    Yesterday’s game convinced me this Pirate team is truly a team of Miracles.
    Down 4 to Miami’s ace, scrap, scrap, scrap, then win in it in the 10th.

    I have seen things this year I have never seen before.
    I have seen this team commit stupid errors, yet win.
    I have seen this team strike out more than a bowling alley, yet win.

    Miracles, Destiny, Go Like ’60 (for you, Biz)………… it seems that they cant do much wrong.
    Never saw the Whiz kids, but this team has similarities to that team.
    Hell, even the “Eeyores” love this team (at least Eye do)………..

    Most of the parts of this team succeed like I have never seen. Sure the hitting stinks, but they can whiff 10 times, then win the game in walk-off style.

    Need a great start? Done.
    Need great middle relief? Done.
    Need a closer? Done.
    1st closer gets hurt? No Problem. Bring on 2nd closer. Done.
    Need a clutch hit? Done.
    Need a stolen base? Done.
    Need a runner to tag to put himself in scoring position? Done.

    Yep, I think Jandy has blessed this team.
    82 is not the goal. It will remove the 20 year curse, but I want more.
    Onward, upward, keep going one game at a time.
    Smash 82.

  11. theplanisworking says:

    With Wandee coming back soon, Cole, Locke, Morton semi-struggling, there may be some talk of getting another pitcher.

    Clint, neal, will discuss these things, and run it by Frank.
    Clint will say, “we need to get another pitcher, sir”

    Frank will say “Thats a great idea!!! Just make sure you get me a driver this time! ”

    ;)

  12. Jason81 says:

    Being on the 40-man does not make a player eligible for the postseason roster. He would have to be on the 25-man by August 31st.

    “Under Major League Rule 40 (a), the pool of players eligible for the postseason consists of the 25 players on the active roster and any players on the disabled, bereavement, suspended or military lists before midnight ET on August 31.”

  13. Reading says:

    Magic Number: 45.

  14. TJ says:

    I can’t help myself with this 70 win mark… I looked at the teams of the 90′s and found that the earliest the Pirates won 70 games was game 116. So I decided tonight to look back at some of their other winning teams and found the following keeping in mind that this 2013 team has won 70 out of the first 114 games.

    2013 are 70-44 and won game 70 in 114 games
    1992 went 96-66 and won game 70 in 123 games
    1991 went 98-64 and won game 70 in 116 games
    1990 went 95-67 and won game 70 in 119 games
    1978 went 88-73 and won game 70 in 134 games
    1977 went 96-66 and won game 70 in 121 games
    1976 went 92-70 and won game 70 in 127 games
    1975 went 92-69 and won game 70 in 125 games
    1974 went 88-74 and won game 70 in 133 games
    1973 was a losing season at 80-82
    1972 went 96-59 and won game 70 in 112 games
    1971 went 97-65 and won game 70 in 115 games
    1970 went 89-73 and won game 70 in 127 games

    World Series teams
    1979 went 98-64 and won game 70 in 119 games
    1960 went 95-59 and won game 70 in 113 games
    1927 went 94-60 and won game 70 in 120 games — LOST WS
    1925 went 95-58 and won game 70 in 115 games

    Pretty amazing to think this team has reached 70 wins faster than any other Pirates team since 1972. Then you have to go back to 1960 before another team did it faster.

  15. Eric Bowser says:

    Guess my memory is off because I thought the 40-man came into play. I guess that was only when there was an injury to someone on the 25-man roster.

  16. TJ says:

    Eric Snowden just released a taped conversation that took place between Locke and JMac.

    JMac – Hello?

    Locke – JMac its Jeff Locke

    JMac — Jeff Locke the All-Star??

    Locke — Yep its me

    JMac — dawg where you been man; the entire city has been looking for you since the AS break

    Locke — thats why I’m calling man. I need some help figuring out whats different

    JMac — An all-star pitcher is calling me for advice??

    Locke — Yeah man I know you struggled last year; how did you get through it

    JMac — well in case you didn’t notice I didn’t make it through; but man once you start struggling each start gets tougher and tougher; the pressure is intense man

    Locke — Man I was afraid you were going to say that; by the way where are you?

    JMac — I’m in Pittsburgh man

    Locke — Pittsburgh? What are you doing in town?

    JMac — Uhh well umm; NH said you might be hurt in the coming weeks so he wanted me ready

    Locke — I’m going to be hurt?? Is he psychic?

    JMac — naw man; when things go bad; and get worse you find yourself on the DL. Kind of like sending a horse to the glue factory.

    Locke — What can I do??

    JMac — either turn it around or start packing

  17. Thundercrack says:

    Thanks Jason.

    Facts are our friend.

  18. Thundercrack says:

    Enjoyed the column DK.
    About a week ago I mentioned how important all this experience the young relievers were getting this year & how it could help them next year.

    ( and it seems like even Brad Lincoln wore down after he left us last year)

  19. Thundercrack says:

    • Tony Watson, maybe the most underappreciated performer on the roster,

    I’m not sure I agree with that. But I’m not sure I can think of a player that is “most under appreciated”. Barmes?

    DK: The word ‘performer’ was deliberate. Limiting to guys who have done very well.

  20. Thundercrack says:

    Sanchez’s somewhat more colorful version: “Ray told him, ‘Just get this guy out! That’s enough! Get him out!”

    The funny thing about the picture was that Searage was covering his mouth with his hand. Didn’t want the opposition to read his lips and know the Bucs’ strategy in that situation.

    :-)

  21. Thundercrack says:

    I see.

    And what are we still doing up?

  22. Lad9 says:

    Great column DK. Agree completely. How many times in the past 20 years did we watch guys like Mark Wilkins, Jeff McCurry, and Brian Boehringer pour gasoline on a fire and then throw an incendiary bomb in for good measure? Makes for a whole different dynamic as you pointed out.

    I listed Melancon on yesterday’s blog as my 4th choice for league MVP as much for his work in the middle as the end of the pen. Later even heard on a national radio show where the Pirates bullpen was mentioned as the collective MVP. Good stuff and rarefied air for the shark tank. Or would that be uncharted waters….

  23. Brandie says:

    And, we’re off!

  24. RedMagic says:

    Reading–

    Your short post gave me goose bumps. The last time we were talking about the Pirates and magic numbers, I was in 6th grade. My English teacher was a big Pirate fan and wrote the magic number on the board each day in September of 1992. I’m 32 now.

  25. Drew71 says:

    Well, let me remind you of something. You wouldn’t be here today if it wasn’t for me and my helmet.

  26. Drew71 says:

    I want my helmet back!

  27. He could replace anyone on the disabled list (come playoff time) if the team wanted to add him to the playoff roster. They would have to petition the commish’s office, but it seems to be a common practice nowadays.

  28. John Lease says:

    I calculated that yesterday too! It’d been awhile.

  29. kr70 says:

    Can you have a collective MVP?

  30. John Lease says:

    12 to go.

    Out of 48 left.

    I like the odds!

  31. Drew71 says:

    “Jeanmar Gomez kept things cool in the 82 degree heat

    heat?

    HEAT?

    That’s windbreaker weather at an early spring training game.

  32. Thundercrack says:

    ‘Four-run lead squandered as Miami Marlins lose fifth in row’

    That’s the headline in the Miami Herald.
    I guess they still can’t be referred to as just the Marlins…..people need to be reminded they are now in Miami

    DK: That’s done by some outlets to facilitate Google searches.

  33. Drew71 says:

    Thunder. You buried the lede.

    Didn’t you see the how they blamed the losses on not being acclimated to Pittsburgh’s cold snap?

  34. NMR says:

    Great topic, Dejan, and well written as always. Very enjoyable read.

    Just about everyone – myself included – has criticized the starting rotation for not going deep enough into games and/or Clint Hurdle for not letting them. But in light of your column, should we consider the possibility that Hurdle has done this deliberately?

    Look at the performances of the players Dejan listed in his column. Is it that crazy to imagine that Hurdle would rather throw a fresh Morris/Gomez/Wilson/Watson/Mazarro than force a starter out for the 6th or 7th inning as he approaches 100 pitches and faces his 3rd time through the batting order?

  35. Thundercrack says:

    “I like Russell Martin,” Cashman said Friday at a charity event in Stamford, Conn. “I’m a big Russell Martin fan. But ultimately we have a lot of holes to fill and we have to be very careful how we spend our money.

    That’s what Cashman said back in December after Martin signed with the Bucs.

    I guess he wasn’t careful enough with that Yankee money.

  36. Thundercrack says:

    “I didn’t want a long-term contract, especially coming off the season I had,” said Martin, who hit a career-low .211 in 2012. “I feel I can play much better, improve myself, and go at [free agency] again in a couple of years.”

    Well, Russell Martin is certainly following through on his plan so far.

  37. Jandy says:

    More facts :)

  38. Thundercrack says:

    I bury ledes and can’t read too well either (performers)

  39. Jandy says:

    Jandy has nuttin to do wit it, other than lending her heart and soul to the support of these guys, who support each other to get it done. Oh, and pray a lot…

  40. Jandy says:

    ZING!

  41. JAL says:

    JAL’s August Song Morning Links

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBYoQtOTQDk

    GENERAL DAILY UPDATED BASEBALL SITES

    1- MLB Transactions

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pittsburgh_pirates/

    3 Go Buccos- Pirate News (from external sources)

    http://gobuccos.com/pittsburgh-pirate-news/

    4 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsjN0zO-DxI0dHVOMzdPYm9wUEJtdVJ0WWUzVWhFc2c#gid=0

    5 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates Draft Pick Signing Tracker

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013draft

    BLOGS and such

    6—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Putting Neal Huntington’s Amazing Off-Season in Perspective

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/first-pitch-putting-neal-huntingtons-amazing-off-season-in-perspective.html

    Pirates Complete Third Straight Comeback Win to Sweep Marlins 5-4

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/pirates-complete-third-straight-comeback-win-to-sweep-marlins-5-4.html

    Prospect Watch: Minor League Starters Combine For Impressive 1.45 ERA Tonight

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/prospect-watch-minor-league-starters-combine-for-impressive-1-45-era-tonight.html

    The Fixes That Will Help Jeff Locke Avoid the Dreaded Regression

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/the-fixes-that-will-help-jeff-locke-avoid-the-dreaded-regression.html

    7 Bucs Dugout

    Bucs finish off sweep of the Marlins in extra innings, 5-4

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2013/8/8/4603254/bucs-finish-off-sweep-of-the-marlins-in-extra-innings-5-4

    8 WHYGAVS

    Game 114: Pirates 5 Marlins 4

    http://www.whygavs.com/pittsburgh-pirates/august-2013/game-114-pirates-5-marlins-4.html

    9 Rant Sports

    Pittsburgh Pirates’ Mark Melancon Cares About Playing Game, Not Numbers

    http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/08/08/pittsburgh-pirates-mark-melancon-cares-about-playing-game-not-numbers/

    10 Rumbunter

    Trust: The Great Pittsburgh Pirates Experiment

    http://rumbunter.com/2013/08/08/trust-the-great-pittsburgh-pirates-experiment/
    The Pittsburgh Pirates Magic Show Continues

    http://rumbunter.com/2013/08/08/the-pittsburgh-pirates-magic-show-continues/

    11 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates 5 Marlins 4

    http://raisethejollyroger.com/2013/08/pirates-5-marlins-4/

  42. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    12 Fansided

    Starling Marte Matrix parody video

    http://fansided.com/2013/08/08/starling-marte-matrix-parody-video/

    13 Denver Post

    Clint Hurdle’s sizzling Pittsburgh Pirates descend on Denver

    http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_23826408/clint-hurdle-pittsburgh-pirates-bringing-baseballs-record-denver

    14 New York Dailey News

    Roberto Clemente is remembered

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/roberto-clemente-remembered-article-1.1421777

    15 Miami Herald

    Four-run lead squandered as Miami Marlins lose fifth in row

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/09/3551236/four-run-lead-squandered-as-miami.html

    16 CBS Sports

    Pirates at Rockies: Game Preview

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametracker/preview/MLB_20130809_PIT@COL/piratesrockies-preview

    17 KDKA

    Pirates On Pace To Soon Surpass Last Year’s Attendance Figures

    http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/08/08/pirates-on-pace-to-soon-surpass-last-years-attendance-figures/

    18 PBC Site

    Bucs walk off in 10, complete sweep of Marlins

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_08_08_miamlb_pitmlb_1&mode=recap_home&c_id=pit

    Notebook: Out of lineup, McCutchen picks up first pinch-hit

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130808&content_id=56320036&notebook_id=56319854&vkey=notebook_pit&c_id=pit

    SPORTS WEBSITES

    19 Baseball Prospectus

    How the Mets Got Great (at Taking the Extra Base)

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=21474

    20 Fangraphs

    Cardinals, Dodgers Achieve Backwards Baseball

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/cardinals-dodgers-achieve-backwards-baseball/

  43. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Sean Spence injury: Reporter notes seeing him in workouts, he doesn’t ‘look like a guy who will be out all season’

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/latest-news/2013/8/8/4603336/sean-spence-injury-progress-timetable-return-2013-season

    Steelers running backs coach Kirby Wilson doesn’t want a running-back-by-committee situation in 2013

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/8/8/4602642/steelers-running-backs-depth-chart-fantasy-football-projections

    22 Steelers Depot

    Tomlin Says All His Tight Ends are Dual Position Flexible

    http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/08/mike-tomlin-tight-ends-depth-chart-training-camp/

    Soccer(football)

    23 Daily Telegraph

    The ‘goal that wasn’t’ has ensured that Frank Lampard has helped take football into the 21st century

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/10230362/The-goal-that-wasnt-has-ensured-that-Frank-Lampard-has-helped-take-football-into-the-21st-century.html

    24 World Soccer Daily

    New season in Germany: 2013-14 team-by-team guide

    http://www.worldsoccer.com/features/new-season-in-germany-2013-14-team-by-team-guide

  44. Jandy says:

    I’m not worried about Jeff Locke.

    :)

  45. Jandy says:

    This blog can :)

  46. Jandy says:

    stand in the corner!

    :P

  47. theplanisworking says:

    You are much too humble.

    You have the Big Guy right down the hall on speed dial.
    You say you just pray a lot? Pshhhhhhhhh.
    Taht team is afraid of the 9 Wides!!!!!
    They know better!

    Now, I need a drink.

  48. Nate83 says:

    Each of those guys will get at least 4 starts before wandy comes back. There is plenty of time for two of those three to start pitching great again. They will only need 4 pitchers for the playoffs and they will have six to pick from if Wandy comes back.

  49. Nate83 says:

    I’m concerned a little. He has kept his ground ball rate down he just doesn’t have as much late movement on the ball and hitters are squaring him up more. Balls are finding holes right now. If he keeps the ball on the ground and doesn’t walk people he will be OK.

  50. Jandy says:

    LOL! I saw everyone was drinking last night….I caught the win when I got home…hubby was howling at me going nuts lol.

  51. Jandy says:

    Wandy isn’t coming back soon. Cheese is targeting September 1. Wandy has no date yet, but it won’t be before Cheese. Just saw it in the paper this morning.

  52. Jandy says:

    Yeah I pretty much agree, Nate. I want to see another start before I get worried is all.

  53. theplanisworking says:

    Guys, (and Nun)

    I made all of that above up, to help get the Frank punchline over!!!

    I have no clue what they are going to do when Wandee gets back.

    Sorry for the story!

    I need another drink now………..

  54. theplanisworking says:

    Guys, (and Nun)

    I made all of that above up, to help get the Frank punchline over!!!

    I have no clue what they are going to do when Wandee gets back.

    Sorry for the story!

    I need another drink now………..

  55. JoeyBats says:

    Hoka Hey everyone!
    .
    Pirates win…Pirates win!!! ….LXX wins down, …and XII to go.
    .
    Yes, GM Neal and Mgr. Clint ….82 wins DOES make a difference.
    .
    Beat Em’ Bucs !
    .
    PS: 9-2 homestand…..on top of the NL……sweet.

  56. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, I forgot to say………..

    Hi Frank!
    We send our good vibes to you (and the Bowtie Bar).
    Say Hi to Bob for us……..

    Love,
    Pirate fans from DK’s Blog

    :D

  57. Jandy says:

    I know that, silly Hipposter, and it was hilarious.
    I was passing on information, is all :P

  58. The Gunner says:

    Hard to believe the Bucs have a 4 game lead at this point. It just goes to show what a superior pitching staff can do with an average offense. The Dodgers made this model work in the mid 60s as well as the 1969 Mets, the Giants did it recently and now, the Bucs are doing it. There appears to be a sound method to Huntington’s madness (and I have bashed him on countless occasions). He’ll probably be GM of the year if everything stays on track.

    With our ace, Mr. Liriano on the mound tonight, the Bucs will prevail in Denver!

  59. theplanisworking says:

    If I keep drinking, I will start losing sleep over this. ;)

  60. Jandy says:

    ha! That’s not allowed.
    Now be a good Hippo ;)

  61. theplanisworking says:

    That is no fun!

    Off, will see you later.

    Wish Muppet more congratulations from me.
    Tell her to buy a mallo Cup in my honor when she goes to the Curve game tonight.

    :D

  62. Jandy says:

    I hope it doesn’t rain. a 40% chance of scattered thundershowers all day. ugh.

    Enjoy your morning, Hipposter :)

  63. 21sthebest says:

    Russellsplanisworking

  64. Thundercrack says:

    A couple of observations after reading the other local paper this morning:

    - Quincy Latimore hit a 3-run homer last night for the Wild Things. Maybe our new right fielder is closer than we think. :-)

    - Some guy wrote a letter to the editor complaining about AJ Burnett’s pie-in-the-face celebrations. He doesn’t think it is funny anymore.

  65. Thundercrack says:

    Tremendous.

    (and don’t get me started!)

  66. Jandy says:

    Some guy needs to get a sense of humor.

  67. Jandy says:

    like it takes much :P
    ;)

  68. radio wave says:

    On a ESPN podcast yesterday, they were talking about MLB pichers who will be shut down before the end of the season. Cole was on the list.

  69. Drew71 says:

    No. He should stand on the edge of the roof.

    Another step back.

    Another.

    One more.

  70. Drew71 says:

    I see it’s gonna be one of those days.

  71. Thundercrack says:

    Some guys need to lighten up.

    :-)

  72. Jandy says:

    Yeah,…like the some guy referenced who wrote the letter ;)

  73. NMR says:

    Not as much late movement? You must have good eyes, and a damn good TV.

  74. Thundercrack says:

    Here too. High of 81. Gonna be a hot one.

  75. Drew71 says:

    I’m not gonna get old man grumpy about it like the letter writer.

    (He had to be old. He wrote a letter.)

    But some things, like pies and Gatorade, could stand to be refreshed with new ideas. I’m not complaining about the CONCEPT, as the letter-writer probably did. It’s a game.

    And besides, EYE’m juvenile. How could I complain about that?

    I’m suggesting (not complaining, not demanding, just suggesting) some creativity.

    Even EYE retired the Mrs Drew – Drew Junior – Drew Junior Junior schtick. Even if about two years too late.

    And we all know i can beat a bad eye-dea into the ground.

    Speaking of which…

    Hi Frank.

  76. Wild Bill says:

    Some thoughts from round one of the PGA:

    I was surprised by the intensity – almost grim intensity – of the players, even while they walk together. Very few smiles except in reaction to a great shot. This tournament is a deadly serious business for these guys.

    Tiger and Phil are followed by fanatics from hole to hole, but few other golfers are. Tiger does not seem to even acknowledge that his groupies/fanatics are there. The best way to watch is to be near a green that has a nearby tee. Let them come to you on one hole, and watch them go on the next.

    The euro golfers are very controlled in their play. Very balanced, and don’t try to do too much on any one shot. That’s why they are really good in these settings, where the rough is ridiculous. Tiger and Phil both paid on 18 for stray shots that not many others made.

    How far these guys hit the ball with those very balanced swings they take is amazing.

    The galleries show wonderful courtesy to the players, but a really annoying new reality is the “phone nazi” – guys whose whole job is to make sure no one is using their phones to take pictures of players. It’s not the noise of cameras, I’m convinced, it’s about controlling access to player images. So cheap, for such a wealthy organization, PGA.

    Rough is not an adequate description for the stuff on the sides. Most of the time, the ball disappears completely in it. That rough is being balanced out by the damp, softer conditions of the course this week. The players are not afraid to flag hunt, and that’s why the first round scores were so low. Fun to watch, too.

    Oak Hill is a beautiful course, and here in Rochester with a five month winter, that’s not easy to produce. Bunker conditions to die for. And – I noticed how far forward these guys play bunker shots in their stance. I can’t wait to try that out myself.

    Many more women fans than I expected to see, and a lot of children too.

    Well done to all of you for keeping the Bucs on the winning path while I’m away!

  77. NMR says:

    It was Hasis, wasn’t it?

  78. Nate83 says:

    I have heard more then one analyst say the Pirates don’t have the starting pitching depth or bullpen for playoff baseball. I don’t get this comment. How does a team get a team ERA that is 1/3 of a run better then anybody else by not having enough depth. That ERA includes Sanchez and Zagurski.

    I understand that they are not picking the Pirates to represent the NL in the World Series but the reason they are giving doesn’t make sense to me. Not getting hits in important situations, striking out to much, or overall team batting average would seem to make more sense.

  79. Dom says:

    Check out #21. Excellent news that Mr. Spence is back at it. Just a few months ago some thought he would never play again.

  80. Dom says:

    Why would he get shut down?

  81. Nate83 says:

    ESPN also said that the Pirates are a good bunting team yesterday and that the team has done small things like hit Sac Flies all year. I believe NH when he says that Cole will be able to pitch all year if healthy. He may have a few 5 inning outings or be skipped one or two times in the rotation but they will keep his innings where they want them.

  82. TJ says:

    Usually when I see too much movement on the TV I know its time to put down the beer.

  83. Nate83 says:

    My eyes are bad but I did watch one of those pitch breakdowns where they have the fancy glowing stuff coming off of the back of the ball showing the trajectory of the pitch. They also talked during it so I also used my ears. I also stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night so there is that. (their TV’s are average at best)

  84. Nate83 says:

    Since you brought it up a few times. What is the EYE thing in reference to???

  85. NMR says:

    Cards rookie Shelby Miller threw only 18 more innings than Gerrit Cole last year, yet nobody talks about him being shut down this season.

    I’m not a doctor, obviously. 18 innings may actually be a significant number. But it certainly doesn’t seem that way.

  86. Thundercrack says:

    20 consecutive losing seasons. Many of them were very ugly.

    Too soon to be writing a letter complaining about post-game celebrations.

    Much too early.

  87. Milo Hamilton says:

    On Huntington’s show Sunday he said not only does he see Cole finishing out the season, he sees a role for him in the post season. Hopefully that role includes him actually pitching better.

  88. NMR says:

    “…for playoff baseball.”

    That’s probably a significant point in their analysis. If Wandy is not able to make it back, you’re looking at Jeff Locke and Gerrit Cole / Charlie Morton taking half your starts. None of those guys have proven they can sustain a full regular season of success, let alone pitch into October. Doesn’t mean they can’t, but until they prove it the question seems understandable.

    As for the bullpen, the national guys just simply aren’t paying any attention if they don’t think the Pirates have bullpen depth, at least relative to any of the other current NL contenders.

  89. Dom says:

    Now that Plex is out I suppose our WRs will be: Brown, Sanders, Cotchery, Wheaton, and Justin Brown.

    I don’t think we’ll be losing a lot since Justin Brown is 6’3 and could be a certain goaline threat.

    It looks like Plex’s career is over. I’ve always been a fan and was hoping he could have made a better comeback since getting out of prison.

    Is there any chance he could be a hall of fame candidate? He did score the winning TD in SuperBowl 42, if you recall.

  90. Nate83 says:

    I thought that as well about Locke/Cole/Morton but then I started thinking what the other playoff teams in the NL would have and wasn’t exactly overwhelmed. The Reds may have the best group when they are healthy and pitching like they can but they haven’t been. The Dodgers have Kershaw and Greinke but I don’t think AJ and Liriano is much behind those two. The Cards have some unproven pitchers as well and the Braves where hurt by Hudson’s injury.

  91. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Eric – I like you posts most of the time…well thought out. I don’t view the recieving corps as weak however…you are going to see a side of Sanders that hasn’t been available for a couple years….great routes and better instincts at what is hopefully 100% health.

  92. TJ says:

    Nate I agree; Its like they are saying the first 114 games for the Pirates pitching staff has been a fluke. Just because they don’t sport ERA’s under 2 in the bullpen doesn’t mean they don’t have a quality bullpen. The rotation you can’t argue; especially if Wandy is able to come back and pitch with some consistency. I’d almost move Cole to the bullpen once Wandy comes back.

    The offense absolutely terrifies me. But this is a team that took 4 of 5 against a good Cardinals rotation. But they have too many games where they can’t get the offense going early and like you mentioned they strike out way to often.

  93. TJ says:

    At this point I wouldn’t mind if the Steelers brought in another veteran for a look. A guy like Brandon Lloyd who could add some more speed.

  94. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    I think they still yell strategy….it’s the profanity that get’s the lips covered.

  95. TJ says:

    Reliever or specialist. Come in and throw the gas when its needed in the playoffs.

  96. Tom P. says:

    I figured out this morning that the Pirates have picked up 6.5 games on the Cardinals in the last two weeks. The Pirates have gone from 2.5 down to 4 up.

    I am starting to thing the Pirates have figured out they do no need to hit a grand slam to score four runs. A two run single and two sacrifice flies does the same thing.

  97. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    If this fairytale keeps being read aloud over the city’s loudspeakers…does Russell consider finishing his days out in black and gold?

  98. Thundercrack says:

    The Cardinals are 4-11 in their last 15 games.

    #snapshots

  99. Nate83 says:

    It’s just a guess but I think NH sees him as the 4th starter for the playoffs. Although he could easily be used like Price was his first year in the playoffs. The only thing about that is they already have guys filling those roles and all of them have been awesome. Who’s role would Cole replace?

  100. Drew71 says:

    It’s All About Me.

    Me Myself and Eye.

  101. TJ says:

    I could care less if its funny. Athletes are all about routine and if a pie in the face helps then keep doing it.

  102. Milo Hamilton says:

    One thing I forgot and this was forward thinking on their part. I can’t believe I just said that. Anyway, after his season was over they stretched Cole out some more in the instructional league. Huntington said the Pirates are counting those innings toward his total. So he’s still about a month away from his total of last year.

  103. Thundercrack says:

    He will be on the ballot. A lot of players make it on the ballot.
    That’s as close as he’ll get to the Hall of Fame.

  104. Nate83 says:

    Playing the Braves, Pirates and Dodger’s will do that to a team. I think those teams are a combined 31-5 in their last 36 games.

  105. Drew71 says:

    How bout Greg Lloyd?

  106. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    ESPN is a lost cause

  107. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Cole can put up efficent innings…very demoralizing for a team even when they have a 4 run lead. He takes whatever spot he wants to take.

  108. TJ says:

    I have always wondered what would happen once the Pirates would win their 82nd game to snap that streak. Would they celebrate and break open the cheap stuff or not.

    Based on the mentality of this team I think they will recognize the importance of the win for the city but don’t see them celebrating it.

  109. Dom says:

    Unfortunately, they got the Cubs, Buccos, Cubs again, and Brewers for their next 12 games and the first six are at home.

  110. Jandy says:

    That’s a role I’d embrace :)

  111. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Like it Wild Bill – A lot get’s lost when people only see Tiger not winning majors, but that guy is still every bit as dominant as he once was….he’s just not bludgeoning people anymore is all.

  112. TJ says:

    Bucs lost 2 of 3 to the Cubs in Wrigley. Not saying its going to happen but not going to say wins are a given either.

  113. TJ says:

    I still say Russell Martin. Has come through in the clutch and been a rock behind the plate. Amazing what having a catcher that can throw out base runners can do for a team.

  114. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Dom that’s not a bad thing…the Cards are reeling right now, much like the Pirates were last year at this time when several games against the Cubs should have done the trick but had quite the opposite effect.

    If there is a jolt to be had for them it will be when Yadier returns. They are barely treading water without him and you can bet that if he is even at 75% he will come back as a force to be reckoned with….

  115. TJ says:

    Not going to say he’s old at 37; but he’s not in his late 20′s any more either. Hard to dominate once you start getting up in years and have fought some knee issues etc.

  116. Dom says:

    I doubt it gets the amount of attention we thought it would if we would have hit 82 wins at the end of last season. Now that new goals are set, this has become secondary.

  117. pattonbb says:

    “And there were three little bears sitting on chairs”

    My 3 year old requires daddy to read that to her every night. Every….single….night.

  118. Jandy says:

    Glad you’re enjoying yourself, Wild Bill!

  119. TJ says:

    Agreed. I think it will be recognized and moved on from quickly.

  120. pattonbb says:

    When have the Yankees ever been careful with their money?

  121. NMR says:

    I promise teams don’t give a crap how many pitches he’s throwing if they’re scoring four runs off of him.

  122. pattonbb says:

    It’s going to cost them.

  123. pattonbb says:

    Some guy needs a pie in his face.

  124. pattonbb says:

    Amen, Redus. They’re coverage of baseball is terrible.

  125. Dom says:

    Do you know when he’s due back?

  126. pattonbb says:

    If he ever wants to see the HoF, he’ll need to buy a ticket just like we do.

  127. Patrick(RI) says:

    I normaly don’t think much of the FC drinking stuff, but this one is very amusing.

  128. Drew71 says:

    Celsius?

  129. Nate83 says:

    He is on the 15 day so at the earliest it would be another 6 or 7 games which will be after our series with them. He means so much to that team. There may not be another player in the league that would hurt a team more if you took them away. Not even Miguel Cabrera in my opinion. I’m not saying Molina is better then Cabrera just that he means more to his team.

  130. Strohdave says:

    ESPN has no clue what’s going on in Pittsburgh!

  131. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m still trying to get over a team being demoralized when they have a four run lead.

  132. Steve A says:

    You are missing the 1903 team that won 70 games after playing in 107 games. They lost the first World Series that year in 8 games (best of 9 series in 1903,1919,1920, & 1921)

  133. Milo Hamilton says:

    He can come off Thursday.

  134. Nate83 says:

    I agree. It will get media coverage and the fans will go crazy if it’s done at home but I think the players will treat it almost like any other victory being that it is coming in game 135 instead of game 160. I’m sure the players will acknowledge the fans and tip their hats to them but there won’t be any crazy celebration.

  135. Nate83 says:

    Thanks Milo, Hopefully he will be coming back to a 6 game defecit.

  136. Jandy says:

    +++

    lol

  137. Jandy says:

    sweet!

  138. Jandy says:

    That’s class. Our guys have it.

  139. Jandy says:

    try some bacon beer….it helps a lot of things ;)

  140. Steve A says:

    It’s possible if all the players received the same number of points and were tied for first. Pretty unlikely to happen for relievers. There has only once been one case of NL Co-MVPs that was in 1979 when Willie Stargell and Keith Hernandez(STL) both finished tied in MVP voting

  141. Jandy says:

    you mean like, “STFD” ?
    :)

  142. Jandy says:

    don’t forget the humidity.

  143. Milo Hamilton says:

    So I’ve heard. :)

  144. Jandy says:

    TC, you forgot the ;)

  145. Arriba Wilver says:

    :-)

  146. MarkV says:

    Just a minor point. The 71 team also won the World Series.

  147. Jandy says:

    truth!

  148. Stuart says:

    Going on vacation today! An interesting concept for someone who has now been retired for 6 months!

    Have to follow lunacy with ipad from the beach, and follow Bucs on radio. Keep their feet to the fire Jandy, Brandie, and Rev.

    Going to OBX where there are usually multiferous Pirate fans.

    Playoffs, Do you have the genes for sabremetery, or are you self-taught? The lines have been devilish. Feeling lucky to be Even.

    Stuart

  149. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, Wild Bill. Well done to you!

    I could wait for Dom to ask, but I’m going to go ahead and ask– what do you mean by “flag hunt?”

  150. Jandy says:

    ***ATTENTION***
    Newbies and lurkers, we want to chat with you!
    If you list your hometown, Bizrow will add it to the list of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum.
    Don’t be shy, we don’t bite :)

  151. Jandy says:

    Stuart, my friend, you enjoy that vacation. We’ll do our best to keep them doin their best.
    The Loonies will be thinking about you.
    Check in if you can :)

  152. Dom says:

    That doesnt sound too healthy.

  153. Milo Hamilton says:

    This just in … Chad Qualls just gave up another hit. And then fell down.

  154. Jandy says:

    LOL! Dom, you are just toooo cute :*

  155. Jandy says:

    Did he hurt himself??????

  156. Naje says:

    Nice piece DK…was talking with a few season ticket holders yesterday about this very topic. The pitching is the bedrock of this team. From 1 thru 12, it’s got to be the best unit in the 40+ years I’ve been a fan… better than Leyland’s bunch 22 years ago; and pretty darn close to the ’79 group, too.

    With this staff, the margin for error on the team has increased. If a starter has a so-so outing, the door gets shut and the lineup goes to work late in the game to make a difference…thriving on opposing relievers.

    Credit to Huntington for stockpiling so many hard throwing arms.

  157. Milo Hamilton says:

    I understand he’s in therapy for that. That, and clubhouse chemistry issues.

  158. Jandy says:

    He’ll prolly be in therapy a while then. Chemistry issues are debilitating!

  159. My one gripe with Hurdle. He seemed enamored with Qualls and he used him in too many crucial situations last season and it hurt us. 20-20, but true anyway.

    That was yesterday.

    Thank God, he’s helped us this season.

  160. Nate83 says:

    They really do Jandy. There are few in the game as good as Cutch that are so humble. I’ve heard so many Pirates interviewed after games this year and every single last one of them spoke of team and always put the focus back on team when asked about individual accomplishments.

  161. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah, he did more for us this season than he did when he played here.

  162. Nate83 says:

    So is tripping over your own two feet while cebrating a play in front of 20,000 people. Poor guy had to stand up and walk another 90 feet to the dugout as if nothing happened. He should have taken a bow. That would have been awesome.

  163. Jandy says:

    Agree totally, Nate. This team is different. They are all in for each other. There are no “I” players here. I am totally enjoying this season.

  164. Jandy says:

    he prolly wishes he HAD thought of that lol

  165. JohninOshkosh says:

    I know it by rote, as well. For same reasons.

  166. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tiger now 9 shots back of Adam Scott. Jack just offered to buy lunch.

  167. Drew71 says:

    Where can I write to complain about Thunder?

    Oh. Right. Here.

    E-V-E-R-Y day.

  168. The Gunner says:

    Thank God Qualls finally redeemed himself and gave the Bucs a boost.

  169. JohninOshkosh says:

    Like this a lot. Thanks, Wild William.

  170. NMR says:

    Probably the same team thats glad they don’t hit homeruns to ensure that rallies are not killed.

  171. JohninOshkosh says:

    Have a blast !

  172. NMR says:

    #veteran

  173. JohninOshkosh says:

    So did Elin Nordegren.

    I see Lindsey Vonn is fearful Tiger will cheat on her with Ms. Nordegren.

    Based on what I have read, including a few things from Dejan, two words come to mind when I hear Vonn’s name: High Maintenance.

  174. Milo Hamilton says:

    This could get really entertaining. :)

  175. JohninOshkosh says:

    Does anyone know if the Steelers game with the Giants is on a national outlet. Or is it only being televised locally ?

  176. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s local. Their game August 19th at Washington in on ESPN.

  177. Dom says:

    It’s on KDKA and the NFL network.

  178. Thundercrack says:

    I thought you were retiring from the blog.

    Oh wait…I read that wrong too

  179. 21sthebest says:

    ” two words come to mind when I hear Vonn’s name: High Maintenance.”

    Isn’t she a female?

  180. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks, fellas.

  181. Dom says:

    I doubled checked to ensure it was on the NFL network and it is. But if you don’t get this channel then you’re out of luck unfortunately.

    http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/networkschedule?selectedDate=08/10/2013&field=selectedDate

  182. JohninOshkosh says:

    He wrote it ladies, not me !

  183. JohninOshkosh says:

    I do get it, Dom, thanks. One of the few channels I still get for paying Time Warner.

  184. theplanisworking says:

    Careful, Lucky, you may be called an Eeyore………

  185. Kevin says:

    where do you see this report, Eric? (about plex) That is extremely disappointing news. I think TO is still available. Any chance we pick up a vet?

  186. Kevin says:

    not to be Buzz Killington or anything.. and a win is a win against good pitching too. But they just swept the worst team in NL east by outscoring them by a total of 4 runs.

  187. NMR says:

    Just in case anyone is still wondering what buying teams had to deal with at the deadline, take a look at the trainwreck that is ChiSox GM Rick Hahn:

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130808&content_id=56340476&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

    There’s denial, then there is that. Yikes.

    Quick recap: We know we have a lot of work to do (shocker!), and we’re not going to do it with big trades or big free agents or big prospects. But the players think we’re better, so we’re going to be.

  188. Vinny Giardina says:

    BUH-DOOM-SHHH!

  189. Kevin says:

    ah hah! And I thought it was a golf reference.

  190. theplanisworking says:

    Perhaps he was locked in a room for a week, where he had to endure listening to Hawk Harrelson calls. And, being denied food.

    Also, I didnt know failure was a shape.
    Yikes is right.

  191. Been called worse. On this here blog. By a dearly-departed, banned person.

    :D

  192. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pens have hired Jacques Martin as an assistant coach. He will fill the role of mean guy.

  193. theplanisworking says:

    Sorry to hear that.

    Have a great Friday. :)

  194. Sisyphus says:

    I don’t think you could find a single guy in that clubhouse who will give a d**n about the 82nd win.

  195. Kevin says:

    I enjoyed the Marte Matrix #12… very funny.

  196. Dom says:

    The Beacher Report predicts the Buccos will defeat the Reds in the one game WC playoff and then get eliminated by Atlanta in the divisional round.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1730478-full-2013-mlb-playoff-predictions-all-the-way-through-the-world-series

  197. Dom says:

    That is something our coaching staff has been in need of since we lost michel therrien.

  198. Vinny Giardina says:

    I do. :)

  199. JohninOshkosh says:

    Anybody want to do the honors ?

  200. Drew71 says:

    What. That’s it?

    Short memories.

  201. Drew71 says:

    Or humility.

  202. Baywatch says:

    Morning (albeit a late one back east), Ladies & Gents!

  203. Drew71 says:

    No. He didn’t.

  204. Dom says:

    What’s with all the bleacher report hate?

  205. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ll take this one. Uh hem, Bleacher Report.

  206. Drew71 says:

    Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in.

  207. Drew71 says:

    Loved the info, Untamed William.

    Thanks for reminding me of the forward trap stance. I keep forgetting that and end up playing it back and taking way too much sand.

  208. Drew71 says:

    Welcome, Tex

  209. Milo Hamilton says:

    Keith Olbermann’s on Sportscenter. Hell hath frozen over. Wonder how long this one will last ?

  210. Kevin says:

    I can’t wait to see your posts after we get to 82.

  211. Dom says:

    Not a fan, eh?

  212. Milo Hamilton says:

    I am a huge fan of Keith Olbermann the sportscaster.

  213. JohninOshkosh says:

    Bart: Those Shelbyville kids think they’re so hot, but you know what? They’re not

    Milhouse: I really agree with you on this one, Bart.

    Edna: Class, please! If you don’t learn roman numerals, you’ll never know the date certain motion pictures were copyrighted.

    Nelson: [bursting in] Everybody come quick! Something’s happened. No time to explain.
    [all the children run out]

    Edna: No, children, no! Your education is important. Roman numerals, et cetera. Whatever. I tried! [lights a cigarette]

  214. 21sthebest says:

    I bet Greg Brown can pronounce his name.

  215. Naje says:

    Haven’t seen that Olbermann in 20 years.

  216. theplanisworking says:

    I think he realizes he has burned almost all his bridges.

    Should be interesting.

  217. Jandy says:

    hey hey, Baywatch :)

  218. Jandy says:

    ROFL! You brat, 21!

  219. Kevin says:

    pretty sure we doubled our sac fly total just last night. but yeah, we’ve done small things (like pitching) great all year. Thats exactly why we have 70 wins.

  220. Jandy says:

    ::thwap::

  221. Jandy says:

    wow, that sounds…interesting! :P

  222. cmat0829 says:

    there is no reason then to BE buzz killington to make a post like this Kevin.

    Go ahead, spend your day finding the clouds for every silver lining… 114 games in, best record in baseball, and it’s not about the opponents, it’s about the Pirates.

  223. Jandy says:

    ZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  224. Jandy says:

    Ohhh yes he did :P

  225. 21sthebest says:

    :-)

    Well Drewman wasn’t chiming in so somebody had to.

  226. JaxBuc says:

    Shoot right at the flag, and in soft conditions, it’s easier to get the ball to check up and hold its position.

  227. Jandy says:

    I guess you can pat yourself on the back, 21, ya did a good job :P

  228. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bay! I see Johnny Manziel is from Tyler. Any local flavor on him?

    (I know Drewman is going to have a field day with that question)

  229. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1

  230. TJ says:

    When he and dan Patrick were together they were tremendous. Now we will be able to tell if it was the duo that made it great or each brought their own game which can shine by itself

  231. TJ says:

    Brilliant; lets bring in another assistant. Not like they need a goalie coach or anything.

    I seriously hope they didn’t do this because Bylsma is going to be dedicating part of his time to team USA and not the Pens.

  232. TJ says:

    If he lived in Pittsburgh he’d still have a few more to cross

  233. TJ says:

    Could not believe he asked for Profar in return for Rios at the deadline

  234. TJ says:

    The Pens still need a goalie coach and today was Joy Behar’s last day on the view….

    Connect the dots people….

  235. TJ says:

    Manziel is going to make Pryor look like a saint.

  236. pattonbb says:

    It’s nothing more than a fanzine, Dom.

  237. pattonbb says:

    Did anyone catch Mark Cuban on Leno? Had some pretty strong things to say about Selig & Co. I’m not a big Cuban fan, but he’s entertaining.

    Also, there’s absolutely zero chance they’ll ever let him own a baseball team.

  238. theplanisworking says:

    + more bridges than Venice.

  239. Jandy says:

    Priceless:

    Comment From Patrick
    If you could pick one song to never hear again at a sporting event, what would you choose?

    12:53

    Dejan Kovacevic:
    Oh, that wretched Black Eyed Peas thing about tonight being a good night or something

  240. Baywatch says:

    Actually, Arriba, he has relatives at the church I attend.

  241. Jandy says:

    Even more priceless:

    Comment From Guest
    Hi Dejan.

    12:55

    Dejan Kovacevic:
    Hi.

  242. TJ says:

    Which is exactly why he unleashed on the MLB.

  243. theplanisworking says:

    First time stagefright for a chat.

    Not like DK bites or anything……….

  244. Brandie says:

    Greetings Jan-dee, Hippo Longstocking, and Birdman (AKA Lad9) and all of My Blog Family,

    Today is August 9th. This day is my father-in-law’s birthday, my dad’s sister’s birthday, my dad’s birthday, and my parent’s 40thb wedding anniversary.

    I tell you that to tell you this…

    I just spoke with my mom. I told her we were going to see the Buccos AA affiliate, the Altoona Curve. She asked me how I liked my Pirates?! I told her at 70 and 44, I liked them a lot.

    She responded that her mother, who has been gone for 19 years, was liking them mighty fine too, so much in fact that my mother, her daughter, who does not even like baseball, has caught Bucco Fever. My mom was cheering for them to win yesterday and has been following them this season.

    Imagine a 64 year old me and you have my mother. Wow! You see, the winning, the losing, the comebacks and how this team comports itself, it all matters. They are turning people who would not give baseball the time of day into believers. I think that is so cool!

    Good vibes too you all!

  245. Arriba Wilver says:

    Do they like him? I don’t know much, so I’m just asking without any preconceived notions what the answers are. He did come up on the blog yesterday, which is why I was curious.

  246. Jandy says:

    Hey Brandie-mal! Good to see you. Hipposter was posting you stuff up there, but I’m sure you saw it.
    You tell your mother she rocks, just like YOU do :)
    Enjoy the game tonight, hope you don’t get thunderstormed on!

  247. Jandy says:

    You sure about that? ;)

  248. Brandie says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  249. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks for this.

    If you use candles for all those birthdays, you will need a firetruck to put them out.
    Have fun, dont drown, ride the roller coaster at the Curve ballpark.
    Buy a Mallo Cup, and eat it for me. ;)

  250. theplanisworking says:

    Not since Frank and I started drinking……………..

  251. Jandy says:

    Yes on the rollercoaster! It’s a blast!

  252. Arriba Wilver says:

    I always shoot at the flag. Where it goes is another matter. :-)

    Thanks.

  253. Brandie says:

    Oh my Revvie! :-)

  254. Bizrow says:

    How long do you think we should wait before we start counting down the PBCs “Magic Number” to clinch the division?

    Just askin as for some reason I am real rusty at doing that ;-)

  255. Nate83 says:

    It’s such a snobbish group of owners. Heaven forbid somebody like Cuban owned a team. Maybe there would be something besides bring your dog to the game promotion nights. I don’t know what they think he will do that is so bad. He is a businessman first and makes decisions based on that. He is not as reckless as some think and he has done more good for the NBA then most realize.

  256. theplanisworking says:

    Dont jinx it!

    I say we wait til October 1st. ;)

    Besides, I think Frank has already started toasting, errrrr, I mean counting down.

  257. theplanisworking says:

    He speaks his mind, and tweaks his Commisioner.
    Cant have either of those, can we?

    Bud likes sheep.
    Cuban is a wolf.

    Sums it up pretty well.

  258. theplanisworking says:

    I think the Brooklyn Cyclones are the only other team to have a roller coaster by their stadium, right?

  259. Jandy says:

    You don’t have to sell me, Nate. I can’t stand Selig.

  260. Jandy says:

    I have no idea, Hipposter.

  261. Bizrow says:

    Based on yesterdays interview, Slick has already declared success ;-)

  262. JohninOshkosh says:

    To be replaced by Jenny McCarthy, I do believe.

    My wife loves to do that Fred Armisen as Joy Behar bit to me, “So what. Who cares?”

  263. cmat0829 says:

    The next era in Pirates baseball is about to begin. We will now get into the roster makeup decisions of contending teams …they will need to determine overall payroll budget (likely higher than today due to better revenues for better attendance plus more MLB national TV money)…. lock in as many of the core as possible (Cutch is, Marte next…)… see what the ceiling is for Taillon/Polanco, etc… determine timeline of others – Hanson, etc….

    And then make hard decisions on Pedro and Walker (Pedro affordability and is Walker truly part of the core)….

    As to then keeping around veterans like Martin, AJ, Liriano, etc. it will come down to price/performance and overall fit. Martin would be worth every penny, but it all depends on Tony Sanchez…if Tony is a decent ML catching option, then they may not need to put all of that investment in Martin….AJ, especially if a 1-year deal, would make sense… Liriano though would be the priority.

    But this is the stage the Bucs needed to get to…they will need to not overreact when good young players and talented veterans get to a point where they go elsewhere… they in fact should follow the Tampa model (and not Miami) and actively move talent closing in on FA to restock and reload.. (David Price will be traded this offseason as yet another example of this in Tampa)….

  264. theplanisworking says:

    Go like 60, Biz! :)

  265. cmat0829 says:

    why is Bob Hasis writing into the PPG?

  266. theplanisworking says:

    Get on the Nun Line and solve this, ok? :D

  267. Bizrow says:

    The Magic Number is 45, BTW

  268. Nate83 says:

    I think if you asked David Stern his opinion of Cuban most would be surprised by his answer. His passion for improving the game often went over the line and Stern fined him appropriately when needed but at the end of the day I think Stern and him had a really good working relationship.

    If all owners in sports had the passion and drive to improve their sport that Cuban does the leagues would be more successful and entertaining. Players and management would get along better as well. He treats every employee from the ushers to the GM of his team the exact same way.

  269. Nate83 says:

    That is still a big number. Maybe when it get to around 20.

  270. theplanisworking says:

    + many. Many!

    Your point is even a greater reason why Buddy and the Boys will never let him have a franchise.

  271. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Nice layout of the process….If I didn’t know better, I’d think you either are the Huntington, or you are one of his writers!

    I agree with the way you spread that though for sure

  272. NMR says:

    Damn good comment, plan.

  273. Bob Hasis says:

    You just ridiculed Kevin up above (aka Buzz Killington) about the reality of our three-game sweep of Miami. What he said is true but you seem to have a different opinion of exactly what occurred

    Then you write this. Why don’t YOU just enjoy what is taking place NOW, and let tomorrow take care of itself.

    While your opinions may be well thought out, they have no meaning at this time.

    I’m worried about tonight – NOT NEXT YEAR.
    Enjoy.

  274. theplanisworking says:

    Danke.

  275. Bob Hasis says:

    Why this question?, and when did that happen?

  276. Bob Hasis says:

    Would you like to be specific?

  277. tdb1977 says:

    Just better not burn the Warhol bridge after this weekend with all that yarn on it. Most of the yarn will probably just smolder as ancrlyic base yarns dont burn, they just smoke.

  278. Bob Hasis says:

    Did I waste my time responding to this – or what!!!

  279. Jandy says:

    …or what!

    ;)

  280. Hilarious slip of the hippo tongue.

  281. Jandy says:

    Engineers are specific???

  282. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    I know nothing about him, but I love the Johnny Football character. It’s like 1964 but with twitter, ESPN and around the clock surveillance. I say good for Johnny, and hopefully he performs even better this year.

    He’s not going to hide that he is a college kid….that happens to be pretty good at football. Trust me, if you ask him, all that autograph money went to charity and he left the Manning passing camp early because his cousin’s kid was getting baptized the next day and his mom wasn’t making two trips across the state, “get in the dang car Johnny, I don’t care who Peyton Manning’s dad is or what kind of tea bags he hands out.”

    Go get ‘em Johnny!

  283. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    You are right on that….most powerful men are afraid of Cuban because at the end of the day, he knows how to take them over and have their sons call him Daddy.

  284. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree with up you, Nate. I have no problem with Mark. But his responses on Leno about ARod show he is still smarting from his treatment by Bud ( maybe justified), and that he doesn’t understand the CBA on discipline (not justified if he’s going to speak out about it).

  285. theplanisworking says:

    Pray for me, Lucky, for I know not what I do……………………………….. ;)

  286. SeanAY says:

    On a downer note, today is the anniversary of Jerry Garcia’s death, on 8/9/95. The band’s last show was exactly one month prior, at Soldier Field. The last song Jerry ever sang lead on was “Black Muddy River” (a rarity which had just been re-introduced to the rotation two weeks before), but the standout from the show was the “So Many Roads” early in the second set:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sFyRQPraJ8

    So many roads, to ease my soul…

  287. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t know where that “up” came from. Freudian slip talking about how Cuban sees Selig–up you?

  288. theplanisworking says:

    Can you imagine Cuban with these horrible umps???
    That may be a better spectacle than any pennant race.

  289. Jandy says:

    Uhhh…you trying to fool us, or just yourself ???

    :P

  290. theplanisworking says:

    Ok, you convinced me, Jandy.

    Pray for the fools also. :S

  291. Baywatch says:

    Actually, I should have put the qualifier: We don’t attend church there much anymore. Just heard from our son-in-law, who does attend regularly, about the connection.

  292. Jandy says:

    Always pray for my dear friends, even as I torment them lol

  293. Baywatch says:

    I bet y’all have already covered this, but I thought it was really cool, the story James Santelli did for Pirates Prospects on his 2015 Roster Projection! And even cooler to consider his possibilities that it just might be a 100-win season!

  294. theplanisworking says:

    Nutcase!

    Hope to see you in the game thread tonight.

  295. Milo Hamilton says:

    Been waiting on his thoughts on the 2028 presidential race.

  296. JohninOshkosh says:

    James Santelli should write for Bleacher Report.

  297. Jandy says:

    I hope so too :)
    :*

  298. Dom says:

    Alex Rios was traded to the Rangers for a player to be named later or cash.

    The Rangers also get cash.

    I am not one happy camper.

  299. Bob Hasis says:

    Milo as per our exchange yesterday, regarding Leyva foolishly sending Walker,
    those are just the kind of plays where the seemingly fragile Walker gets hurt.

    One thing we do not need is for him to be out of the lineup

  300. CWalton_67 says:

    I’ll be at the Bucs game on Sunday in Denver. Will try to keep up with the blog if my hands aren’t too fool of beer. Hope everyone has a great weekend.

  301. Milo Hamilton says:

    Look at it as good news Dom. Now the Rangers won’t be claiming every outfielder that comes down the pike. Also, I’ve always been dubious that the Pirates are willing to add payroll. Now that they let Adam Dunn go through without a claim, I’m convinced.

  302. Baywatch says:

    I know, like how do you REALLY project this stuff! Big Sports Illustrated had the Nationals taking it all this year, I believe. I could sorta see that, but they’re not even .500, are they? What’s up with them? And other than some soothsayer, who was going to project us to be sitting at 70-44 right now!

  303. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s really coming around with the bat too. Best he’s looked since he hurt the back last year.

  304. Dom says:

    I’m upset b/c we could have apparently given up a minimal prospect for Rios and obtained him a couple weeks ago. Why did we not do that?

  305. Baywatch says:

    At $8-10 a can of beer, most balllparks, yeah, I’d say you might too FOOL of beer! Ho! Sorry, couldn’t resist that one, CWalton! How much is beer there, anyway? I got my first Coors LONG time ago, just out of high school (1972) at a bar up in Fort Collins. Explorer Olympics on the campus of Colorado State! I came in second in the banana eating contest, sponsored by Chiquita!

  306. Baywatch says:

    If he tanks, there will be an easy answer for that: Neal’s Crystal Ball!

  307. Bob Hasis says:

    I think you’re ready for Coney Island, next Fourth of July.

  308. Jandy says:

    have fun CW, and bring home the W! :)
    Drink a beer for me…keep those hands FOOL :P

  309. 21sthebest says:

    I guess I’m in the minority here. I think he’s an assclown that the game doesn’t need. I also don’t believe the SEC has dropped the insider trading charges against him so he may go to trial. Don’t see an update on that one since March though.

  310. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think they may still be in the 20 year losing streak. We’re winning. Different paradigm. At least in August and September, and, dare I say, October?

  311. Milo Hamilton says:

    I really think the contract was a major factor. The Rangers apparently will pay all but $1 million of what’s owed Rios this year & next. Rob Biertempfel has been saying since late in Spring Training the Pirates were pretty much tapped out on payroll. I don’t know if that’s changed but hasn’t reported that it hasn’t.

  312. Dom says:

    Here is pirates prospects writeup on it:
    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/08/alex-rios-acquired-by-texas-rangers.html

    According to the article, the Rangers are rumored to give up a C+ prospect in exchange for Rios. Could we not offer a B- prospect a couple weeks ago. This makes no sense.

  313. Thundercrack says:

    I love the speculation. And who knows that the price for Rios wasn’t more than a minimal prospect a few weeks ago?

    And I don’t really like Rios —- a guy who seems to have some issues with ‘hustle’

  314. JohninOshkosh says:

    Don’t drink and blog, CW !

  315. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bay—I never would have thought you graduated High School at 21. :-)

  316. Thundercrack says:

    Milo,
    Do you want the Pirates to acquire Adam Dunn?

  317. NMR says:

    Name one thing you know about Leury Garcia.

  318. Dom says:

    The Buccos as well as the other teams are to obtain something like an extra $26 million in TV Revenue next season. I can’t imagine that we couldn’t afford him.

    Neal said a deal was never made due to the amount of prospects other teams wanted. I guess that was a lie.

  319. Milo Hamilton says:

    $$.

  320. JohninOshkosh says:

    Didn’t he pass away on 8-9-95 ?

  321. Milo Hamilton says:

    If he didn’t have that contract for next year, it’s a no brainer for me. I still think they should consider it. 26 homers & .340 OBP and he’s red hot right now.

  322. Arriba Wilver says:

    What’s happening today may be very different than what was happening on July 31 and earlier.

  323. NMR says:

    Bahahaha!

  324. Thundercrack says:

    Interesting.

    But they seem to be putting an emphasis on defense.

    And he K’s a lot, and we have a lot of those type hitters already.

  325. Dom says:

    He’s due 12.5 million next year. That’s a lot but not a gigantic amount. Assuming we would be obtaining one million, like Rangers, then that’s down to 11.5. We probably would have obtained more in return had we given up a better prospect.

    Also, as I said before, we are going to obtain an extra $25 million or so next year for TV contracts.

    I don’t think that contract is unreasonable. If we cannot afford that then there is no business for us to be around.

  326. hockeymonster says:

    Great move by Shero and Bylsma! Vokoun’s quote says it all!

    Go bucs! :)

  327. NMR says:

    Who says the Pirates have to keep him next year?

    Dunn is on fire right now. Not Pedro on fire, 2 1/2 month on fire.

    He makes this team significantly better.

  328. Milo Hamilton says:

    You’re right about the defense, but I watch Jones play 1B everyday & I’ve seen Dunn actually throw the ball to second without hitting the runner or the umpire. Moot point unless Neal can work his magic and make the other team pay a good chunk of the contract.

  329. NMR says:

    Ah, I see you got James Santelli’d.

  330. Arriba Wilver says:

    Cutch will make 7,250,000 next year, and Rios isn’t a starting pitcher.

  331. 21sthebest says:

    I wouldn’t make the assumption that we didn’t acquire him solely because of his contract.

  332. Thundercrack says:

    Dunn would be good to have on the roster when we have that big bench clearing brawl with the Reds.

  333. Milo Hamilton says:

    He cleared. He’s available to be traded anywhere. Since I read the story you posted earlier, at least I’m clearer on what the White Sox are thinking (yeah right).

  334. Dom says:

    True but I find it hard to believe that we couldn’t have given up someone like Alen Hanson in exchange for him. I know that a high price but hey, it sure beats having Alex Presley in RF.

  335. Milo Hamilton says:

    C’mon, check his twitter. He’s obviously very important.

  336. Mike A. says:

    I know I’m replying late in the game here, but I had to put in my 2 cents.
    This was the second reference to “Goodnight Moon” I saw in the last couple hours. One of my Facebook friends quoted most of it in a post late last night.

    As I re-posted to her…my son is now 8, so probably a little past the “target” age for that particular book. However, I still pull it down of the shelf every once in a while and we read it before bed. Those are memories we’ll both never forget. :)

  337. Nate83 says:

    Rios is not worth the 11.5 million. Yes the 25 million is there but I would rather spend it on somebody worth that money. If you spend it on him it’s not there to spend on somebody else.

  338. Dom says:

    I Cutch so egotistical that he would demand a new contract b/c we bring in a new guy? We’ll worry about our payroll next year and we should have worried about the RF for the future playoff run a few weeks ago.

  339. Mike A. says:

    True, but last year, (or most any of the past 20 seasons), they would have outscored them by 4 runs, and lost 2 of 3.

  340. JohninOshkosh says:

    A Friday TGIF post:

    This is apropos of nothing but I have learned a few things about the great state of Pennsylvania lately.

    From the blog I have learned that Mallo Cups are made in Altoona. I admire their resolve to keep their packaging retro!

    Amanda Seyfreid was on Jimmy Kimmel. I learned that she is from Allentown. I went to Wikipedia and learned that Allentown is the third largest city in your Commonwealth. My money would have been on Harrisburg or Bethlehem. I also learned that the lovely Ms. Seyfried went to one of the two public high schools in Allentown. I would have never guessed that the third largest city in the state would only have two public high schools.

    I learned from the Princeton Review that Penn State University is rated by them as the ninth biggest party school in the nation, one behind my alma mater.

  341. Milo Hamilton says:

    Ryan Doumit has been placed on the 7-day Ryan Doumit disabled list. He took a foul tip off the mask last Sunday (yeah, go figure) and didn’t get around to telling anyone about the symptoms until Wednesday (yeah, go figure).

  342. Dom says:

    Maybe not but he would be worth the extra 3-4 million for the rest of this season. We could have found a suitor for Rios at the end of the season if we’re worried about his contract, just like we did with Hanrahan.

    Again, I think if we have up a better prospect, they would have obtained more moo-lah in return.

  343. Hanson will be playing 2nd for us in the distant future.

    No disrespect to Neil Walker or Jordy either.

    We still have many years of high-caliber ball to play after this stellar season is in the books.

  344. NMR says:

    What does that tell you about what they rest of baseball thinks of this guy, Dom?

    You know, people that are paid to make baseball decisions.

  345. Dom says:

    Hanson’s numbers are not all that impressive. He’s a darn good prospect but for all we know, Dilson Herrera could be our 2nd baseman of the future.

    He COULD be a future all-star and MIGHT lead us to the playoffs in the future but for right now we KNOW we’re almost certainly guaranteed a playoff spot and needed to have RF upgraded by now.

  346. Dom says:

    Also, if Hanson was too much then we could have still parted with someone like Barnes or Allie or Herrera and still had a rock solid farm system. It’s better than what Neal did and that was nothing.

  347. NMR says:

    Ha, no kidding.

    I don’t know. $15m is ugly. No getting around that.

    But who is going to play 1B for the Pirates next year? Jones/Sanchez? Great. But be ready to spend at least $8m in hopes that Garrett Jones isn’t actually the hitter he’s been in ’10,’11, and ’13.

    If the ChiSox chipped in even $3m, Dunn makes a ton of sense.

  348. NMR says:

    Somebody still lets him play catcher?

  349. We’ve got upgrading on the brain, all of us sometimes.

    The best record in baseball and all we can think about is upgrading.

    I know RF is a weakness of sorts, but why throw away the future for 50 games?
    JMHO

  350. A couple people were pining away for him before the Fort got hurt.

    It’s just not us old folk that have short memories.

    I like the guy, but we don’t have the DH in the National League.

  351. Kevin says:

    The goal instead should be 100. Would be super swell to see them break 100 for the first time since 1909.

  352. Dom says:

    He might have a bad attitude. He might not be very high on any team’s charts.

    But he’s a lot better than what we got. I really don’t see how Presley or Tabata are better options. What happens now if Presley goes down and we have to start Tabata or Harrison every game?

  353. pattonbb says:

    That’s good stuff, Mike.

  354. Arriba Wilver says:

    Dom– you’re running around like a guy whose hair is on fire. Did you use to work for the NSA?

    All I did was add a fact to the discussion. You ran with it. It is a fact. And more of a fact than what happens now has to do with what could have happened on July 31 or before.

    Facts matter.

  355. Stickyweb says:

    Also the White Sox may have called a bluff and lost. They thought they could hold out and get a couple of top prospects for Rios. Didn’t happen, and now they’re basically dumping his salary for almost nothing, if the reports on the PTBNL being that iffy SS are true.

  356. cmat0829 says:

    yep, and the blowhard GM of the Sox ends up taking the Ranger’s 20th ranked prospect, ONE PROSPECT, for dumping Rios today on the Rangers.

    how’d the ‘sell high’ work for ya, Rick?

  357. Arriba Wilver says:

    +++

  358. Stickyweb says:

    I’ll tell you the one and only thing I know about Leury. He’s not in Rangers Top 20 prospects.

  359. Bizrow says:

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing

    But, it is nice to actually have a Magic Number to toss around

  360. cmat0829 says:

    wrong . a couple of weeks ago the Sox kept their price high…Rangers wanted him but turned down the request for THREE good prospects…

  361. NMR says:

    Somebody keep an eye on Dejan’s mother. Dom is on a rampage.

  362. Nate83 says:

    He is very streaky and the end result is not that much better then the Presley/Tabata stat line. We have to take Sniders stats out of the equation. He took up more then half of the right field at bats and is no longer an option. 11.5 million is not worth the same batting average and a little more power then Presly/Tabata.

  363. Thundercrack says:

    Dom,
    Is Alen Henson our #20 prospect? (that’s what Texas gave up for Rios).

    If you wanted to give a more premium prospect then who is..the #17 prospect in the Pirate system.

  364. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1

  365. cmat0829 says:

    again, wrong. Rios contract goes up $1M due to being traded, so the $1M they kicked in were just to keep his contract at $12.5M next year.

    We seem to complain about right fielders who:
    1. K a lot
    2. Show a lack of hustle
    3. Have a mediocre batting average, OBP, etc.

    If we acquired Rios, we could add 4. Make a ton of $$.

  366. Dom says:

    You make it seem like our prospects are a sure thing. If RF is a weakness now then it’s probably going to be a weakness in the playoffs. Why keep someone who might be someone years for now when we have a known commodity in someone that is a credible major leaguer now when we’re essentially a playoff team?

    I’m not sure where you’re getting the 50 games from. Rios is under contract till the end of next season.

  367. Kevin says:

    Ignoring CIN/STL for now. Who would you rather face in the 1st round? LAD or ATL?

  368. Arriba Wilver says:

    Getting a little testy in here today. I’d hate to have seen it if we had lost yesterday.

    And I LIKE Mark Cuban.

    :-)

  369. cmat0829 says:

    the Twins seriously considered adding padding to the wall behind the plate and just going with no catcher, but baseball rules forbid that.

  370. JohninOshkosh says:

    Cool.

  371. Stickyweb says:

    Nope, they make him wear a mask in the OF.

  372. JohninOshkosh says:

    Me too !

  373. cmat0829 says:

    Mark Cuban was a breath of fresh air when he first became owner… he changed the culture of the Mavs and added a bunch of player friendly stuff…. now that is the norm around the league (even the Clippers) and Cuban has just become annoying more than anything else.

    He isn’t necessarily any smarter than any other owners, nor is he the most wealthy.. his biggest claim to fame is likely the fact that he sits courtside in t-shirts and jeans vs. up in a luxury box.

  374. NMR says:

    “…and the end result is not that much better then the Presley/Tabata stat line. We have to take Sniders stats out of the equation.”

    I laugh when I read this false logic from Williams, Santelli, & Co.

    Yeah, lets take out the only player that actually has a reasonably representative sample size because it hurts our argument and claim that Tabata/Presley could equal Alex Rios’ offensive production.

  375. JohninOshkosh says:

    Alex Rios-The Great Divider

  376. I’m looking at approximately 50 games (hopefully more) in this season. 48 regular season and whatever in the playoffs.

    Hanson’s career, if he even makes the majors, should last many more years than Rios’s.

    I’m just saying, if the plan got us here, stick to it. Trade prospects if you have to, but not the ones with the higher potential.

    There will be more seasons after 2013.

  377. Dom says:

    I just threw Hanson out there as I knew he would have gotten the deal done. Vic Black is our #17 according to pirates prospects. Harold Ramirez is #18, Blake Taylor is #19, and Jin-De Jhang is #20. We can’t trade Taylor since he was drafted this year but any other guys I listed would have been superior than what the White Sox got.

  378. NMR says:

    According to who?

  379. Thundercrack says:

    I like him too. I didn’t before, but then I saw him on one of the interview shows and he came across as very smart.

    I don’t mind opinionated owners but I don’t like owners who seem to like be too much the center of attention…ie Jerry Jones.

  380. NMR says:

    You have no idea who Leury Garcia is or what the Rangers farm system is like compared to the Pirates.

    You’re literally making things up at this point.

  381. Dom says:

    Possibly. Since the White Sox could have waited till the offseason for a better deal, it seems likely to me that they would have been willing to part with Rios at the deadline. Remember, all what we got in return for dealing just Hanrahan and Brock Holt. I think the Sox could have at least got that in return.

  382. Now that makes sense.

  383. Bizrow says:

    He comes across goot too on Sharktank.

    And of course, coming from Mt Lebanon, I’ve always liked the guy.

  384. NMR says:

    On the contrary.

    Haven’t seen this many Lunatics united on one thing in a while. And then there’s Dom.

    Sad trombone. :)

  385. Thundercrack says:

    Yea, Hansen is our #3 prospect.

    Be careful on what you ‘throw out there’

  386. Dom says:

    I’m upset that we didn’t get Rios but I’m just engaging in a friendly debate with you all. I’m not upset at any of your and will admit you’re making valid points. I just disagree. Let’s keep Dejan’s mother out of this!

  387. Thundercrack says:

    And there is still time for us to lose tonight!

  388. Thundercrack says:

    You’re right Biz. I forgot about him on that show.

  389. Arriba Wilver says:

    I watch Shark Tank, too, with my son. But I overlook the fact he comes from Mt. Lebanon. :-)

  390. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1

  391. Dom says:

    NMR,
    Of course. I can only assume who was available at the deadline. My point is that it seems unlikely to me that the Sox GM was headstrong on getting a solid prospect 10 days ago and now is willing to get whatever was able to get.

  392. Dom says:

    Oh. I didn’t realize that. Thanks for the clarification.

    However, it’s just $1 million. Which is nothing in the baseball world. I can’t imagine a deal wasn’t done over just $1 million.

    Harrison, I presume would have been the guy cut if we obtained rios and his OBP is 50 points lower. I think that’s a big variance when you’re talking playoff baseball.

  393. Arriba Wilver says:

    Why?

    Deadline deals are always who blinks first. And you have to be serious. But then reality sets in. I think your logic is faulty.

  394. NMR says:

    Ha! Dom, you’ve engaged us in the best conversation all day.

    I sincerely hope you receive my comments, and I’m guessing those of most others, as playfull and not personal.

    You’re a treat to converse with on here.

    (P.S. I would’ve been secretly happy if the Pirates had traded for Rios)

  395. Bizrow says:

    + many

  396. Kevin says:

    go cubbies!

  397. Arriba Wilver says:

    What NMR said.

  398. Stickyweb says:

    MLB.com’s Jonathon Mayo. And this was updated July 30 after Profar was called up and Olt was traded.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

  399. Bizrow says:

    And I learned from Drew that bacon beer is a good thing ;-)

  400. Stickyweb says:

    Everyone says he’s fast and has a great arm. He is only 22 years old at AAA, so that’s something, but it doesn’t seem like the industry is real high on him.

  401. Nate83 says:

    Snider not part of the equation or at least he shouldn’t be going forward. Presley/Tabata have 220 at bats combined. That is hardly a small sample size. Then there is that little thing of Tabata having over 1200 at bats in his career. Is that too small of a sample size? Or does what he did during his entire career not count?

  402. NMR says:

    I have to agree with AW, Dom

    But to be fair, I’m not sure anyone knows what logic Rick Hahn is using right now. You could be right for all I can figure with this guy.

  403. Bizrow says:

    Dejan just tweeted that Matt Spaeth needs foot surgery.

    Not a good thing for Steeler Nation

    Maybe we can get Tebow from NE to play tight end….

  404. Thundercrack says:

    Is there anyway we can get Dom to host a weekly chat?

  405. Thundercrack says:

    I think the logic Rich Hahn is using that he believes teams, including his, can get things turned around in a short period of time.

    I read that he said that –and feels his team doesn’t need to be stripped to the ground and to a total rebuild.

    Not sure if I agree with that regarding his team.

  406. NMR says:

    Thats simply not how sample sizes work, Nate.

    You cannot add up multiple small sample sizes and say the aggregate is representative.

    And if we’re talking career numbers, Rios is so far superior its not even an argument.

  407. Stickyweb says:

    Now it’s Jones’s fault that the ump can’t get out of the way? If the ump gets out of the way, then Marte throws the runner out at the plate when he tries to score. It was pure genius by Jones, thwarted only by more umpiring incompetence. :-)

  408. Thundercrack says:

    If Snider is not going to get any playing time for the rest of the season why would you factor his stats into the equation? Seems like you wouldn’t if you’re trying to compare/determine future production.

    That is what we’re doing right?

  409. Arriba Wilver says:

    What I heard in his comments was a lot of Neal Huntington, without a lot of Neal’s confusing BS. He thinks he has a pitching staff core, so it’s a different situation from 2008 here. The fact he’s now willing to part with Rios for next to nothing may, or may not, speak volumes about Alex Rios.

  410. Milo Hamilton says:

    I beg to disagree Biz, if this means Matt Spaeth can’t play then it is a very good thing for Steeler Nation.

  411. NMR says:

    Right, TC.

    He said that right before trading his best position player and right after trading his second best pitcher for what mostly amounted to salary relief.

    But yeah, logic.

  412. JohninOshkosh says:

    +1

  413. Milo Hamilton says:

    Look, they already signed Lyle Overbay’s nephew. Things can’t be that bad.

  414. NMR says:

    I’m not suggesting Snider’s stats be factored in.

    I’m saying that he’s the only one of the three thats had enough at-bats to give us a good idea of what he is going forward.

    Even Snider looked good in a small sample.

    Taking Tabby/Presley RIGHT now assuming that is what they’re going to be in a larger sample goes against the sabermetric principles those guys claim to espouse. They just only use them when it suits their opinion.

  415. Nate83 says:

    Dramatic much. Far superior??? Which career stats are you looking at. He had one really good year with Toronto and a good year last with the White Sox. Between those years he was not very good at all batting .227 and .247. He hasn’t had an OBP higher then .337 in the last 6 years. He act like he is Carlos Beltron or something by saying far superior.

    When did the words equal production ever come out of my mouth? 220 at bats is not a small sample size. Thanks for explaining sample size to me. What is that exact number of at-bats that allows me to say it’s a big enough sample size? What is that magic number? I just want to make sure so I can write down. I want to keep all of my NRM definitions in order.

  416. Nate83 says:

    “I’m not suggesting Snider’s stats be factored in.”

    So we are on the same page. Awesome….so what was it again you had a problem with on my original post? Because it seems like you had a problem with me saying Snider’s stats should not be factored in.

  417. Brandie says:

    No probs, Plan O War!

  418. Kevin says:

    do we still have David Johnson? Who’s the backup backup tight end?

  419. JohninOshkosh says:

    Dom, you are one my faves here ! What AW said about what NMR said !

  420. NMR says:

    +50 OPS with much better defense and baserunning is far superior to me. Baseball is more than just hitting.

    I never said equal production came out of your mouth. I said the meme from the Pirate blogger crew insinuates that Tabby and Rios are close if not equal.

    Here is a great sample size explanation:

    http://www.fangraphs.com/library/principles/sample-size/

    And again, 220 isn’t the sample size. One is 166. Another is 65. We’re talking about two distinct people. They can’t hit at the same time.

    And none of those sample sizes are considered to be statistically stable.

  421. Thundercrack says:

    Yes Dom, but don’t let it go to your head and start using the bold print

  422. Kevin says:

    Where do you people get your inside Steeler info? (other than twitter – which I’m beginning to notice is a semi-reliable source)

  423. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    NEED ONE OF YOU KIND SOULS TO RE-POST THIS FOR ME ONCE THERE IS A GAME THREAD. THANKS!!

    TRIP-TRIP-TRIPLE PLAY FRIDAY!!!

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    PLEASE PLACE YOUR “WAGERS” AS REPLIES IN THIS COMMENT BOX
    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.

    NEW PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME & ENCOURAGED!!!

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  424. Kevin says:

    good point. I remember the pirates last year going into the cub series and hoping for a bounce back and instead struggling even more.

  425. Kevin says:

    AND, hopeful that the cards experience something similar! ha!

  426. Kevin says:

    I’m not worried at all… just stating facts and tempering my enthusiasm.

  427. MadTurk says:

    I was just there, I would so no.

  428. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t think Mr. Hasis was referring to you, Kevin. And Mr. Hasis and I don’t see eye to eye often, but I agree with him here.

  429. cmat0829 says:

    Line 1: OVER for 100
    Line 2: OVER for 100
    Line 3: OVER for 100

  430. BillyBaduka says:

    Just read it. Would be good for Steelers and great for Spence if he can return.

 
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