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Morning Java: Clark v. Pujols a positive

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …

>> I’ve got Mondays and Tuesdays off now, so I’ll keep this one briefer than usual. Apologies in advance for that, but there really wasn’t all that much on the sporting agenda, anyway.

>> The Pirates open another large series tonight in St. Louis, where the hot topic hasn’t been the pennant race but rather Jack Clark’s blistering accusations against Albert Pujols and Pujols’ equally blistering response and Clark then getting fired.

Say what you will about their positions and who might be right or wrong. What I take from the case is this: The tide has turned inside the baseball world.

People inside that world who had doubts, criticisms or even outright accusations like Clark’s used to be afraid to speak up. They were the villains in the equation, not the prospective cheater. Now you’re seeing not only Clark but people all across baseball openly rail against these Biogenesis guys and beyond. That’s included a couple Pirates, as well, notably Mark Melancon.

Good for them.

They won’t always be right, and the charges won’t always be fair. But ask me, and I’d rather have the scale tilt toward the skeptical side after we’ve been fooled by so many for so long.

But then, on the other hand, a hard legal result against Clark could have enough of a chilling effect to take us right back where we were.

Anyway, here’s the rest of our baseball coverage.

Here’s Cardinals coverage from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Here are official game highlights from MLB.com.

>> Our cover story today is on the Steelers’ running backs by Alan Robinson.

Which leads me to the question of the day: Who would be your choice for the opener?

Not for the full season or even the bulk of the season. Nothing more than opening series vs. Tennessee.

>> It’s a damned shame this story even had to be written. But good job by Josh Yohe to do it right.

>> Back at it full-bore tomorrow.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.

Comments

  1. Boise Bucco says:

    DK,

    I see where you’re coming from on defending people for accusing players of steroid use, but I believe that it should be brought forth with some evidence. In that article, he accused Pujols, Verlander and Shawn Green with absolutely nothing. And I even get going out there and saying, “hey, maybe he’s juicing,” but outright accusing players is a whole other story IMO.

    Now, if he DID do steroids, that still wouldn’t be the way to go; as a former player, it would be just as easy to accuse him of being jealous (or possibly a fellow user himself) as it would anything else, so why not take this to a real journalist? I’m sure there are sports writers in St Louis who could have done more with the story. What it seems like to me is that he wanted good ratings for his first week in talk radio.

  2. theplanisworking says:

    Wow, the Clark-Pujols thing is quite the mess. It is impossible to know who is right or wrong, but I am surprised Clark started this based on a conversation he had with someone 13 years ago. And, the person he talked to, had denied everything. Just a bit surprised that is all Clark has to go on. But, Dejan is correct, just 2 years ago, no one would have ever said a peep. I like the fact that players have finally taken a stand on this, but throwing out accusations “just because” is a slippery slope also.

    Going a bit further with this………………. its easy for us to sit here over 600 miles away, but what if the was Cutch, or Grilli accused (and no, I am NOT EVER suggesting any Pirate is on steroids!!) ? Would we be just “observers” to this? And, does this potentially mean that “witch hunts” will start occurring? Say a player loses the MVP award in a close race, does he say “my opponent is on steroids”? I think balance is needed in this issue.

    Another “large” series starts tonight. There was a “large” series a couple of weeks ago with the Cards. There will be another 2 “large” series with the Cards later this season, as well as other “large” series with other clubs, namely the Reds. It is August 13th, we need some perspective here. Its a pennant race, all series from here on out are “large” series……………. granted some larger than others.

    Pirates need to take 2 of 3 this week. Of course the world wont end if they dont, but 2 of 3 would be a good sign. And good luck to Mr. Lambo. You should have been up here in June, when there wasnt a pennant race going on to see what you had, but welcome. And if you dont set the world on fire, I hope you run fast to escape the pitchforks and torches.

    Who would be my choice for Opening game RB? Well, since we didnt get a chance to see Le’veon Bell, I cant answer that. We have seen, Mr. Redman and Dwyer, and they are lacking. LaRod Stevens-Howling looked good Saturday night, but it was preseason. And, is he big enough to handle the load if he is given the assignment? Just another huge question mark for the Steelers.

    And finally, to address DK’s soccer points from yesterday, I saw that Man U defeated Wigan over the weekend. To think that the Riverhounds were any way involved in that ( by giving Man U a tape of the friendly) is pretty cool. Obviously soccer is down the list of pro sports in town, but with the passionate fanbase, and 1st class management running the team, good things may occur in the future.

  3. theplanisworking says:

    I am not an ESPN fan, but this link is interesting…………..

    http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9559944/rivalries-lost-bcs-era-college-football

  4. Ghost says:

    Jack Clark and the gentleman with whom he says he shared that conversation know what was, or was never, said. If Clark is positive of what he was told, then I have no problem with him stating that publicly. If he is embellishing, or flat out lying, Pujols deserves to destroy him in court for libel. Of course, even if it might be true, I believe that in libel cases the burden of proof is on the defendant and Clark might still be in a lot of trouble. But if Pujols DID juice, it will not stay hidden. I like Albert a lot, but between his non-denial denial and Clark’s certainty in putting forth his charge, I am not anticipating a happy ending for Albert or baseball here.

  5. theplanisworking says:

    Keep your clothes on, pal. ;)

  6. Ghost says:

    “…if you dont set the world on fire, I hope you run fast to escape the pitchforks and torches.”
    Ahhhh, pitchforks and torches. Those were the days. Milwaukee, the caper with the Jolly Roger up the enemy’s flag pole, then back down as the flag pole sagged. Brandie and I watched you give one of your Hippo lives for a good cause that night. Could have used your Hippo-ness up the flag pole at Coors Field, this week end though…

  7. Ghost says:

    Your Hipponess! I do believe we just crossed paths a few moments ago. As for my clothes, since my derriere is presently tender and pocked from buckshot and fish bites, my bloomers are on for a least a little while.

  8. Ghost says:

    “What it seems like to me is that he wanted good ratings for his first week in talk radio.”
    THAT, sadly, is not something we can rule out.

  9. theplanisworking says:

    Ghost, you add much humor and good vibes to this blog, but I definitely think you need some serious therapy. I say that in a good way. I hope you dont have any sharp objects near you.

    ;)

  10. theplanisworking says:

    Ghost, you are a nut. What do you expect when a 3000 pound Hippo meets a simple flagpole?

    I am just worried Mr. Lambo will get here, and the fanbase will turn on him if he doesnt set the world on fire. I certainly hope not. Lucky and I wanted to see him up here in June, but it wasnt to be.

  11. theplanisworking says:

    I heard Clarks tag-team partner Slaten is suing for being terminated.
    Sadly this may be a “grab your popcorn” moment.

  12. twentytwo22 says:

    Crosby shouldn’t be criticized for that. He did nothing wrong. But it’s going to be funny because…

    Look at his own team, Crosby wanted to be last in line but Malkin insisted he go before him. ‘Three years Super League’. Fleury is usually the first guy out on the ice. I bet he’ll insist Crosby come out first that game. I wonder if Crosby will oblige…I wonder if those other Penguins will be upset and I wonder if their wives will complain about it to Josh Yohe.

    Crosby’s a dead man. He thought Bill Guerin was rough.

    God I love hockey.

  13. Ghost says:

    I am one person who cannot sue for libel because everything you say about me is true.

    As for Lambo, yes, we have some very mercurial fans here. If Lambo doesn’t hit bombs right away he’ll be bombed, himself, sort of like Presley is getting carpet bombed around here.

  14. theplanisworking says:

    And I cannot be sued for libel either, because you tokk all my possessions from the Pond, so I have nothing to lose.

    Interesting to see if Mr. Lambo plays at all this series, or if he is here for insurance purposes.

  15. Ghost says:

    Presley? Heck, why did I stop there? Tabby and Barmsie are feeling the pitchforks and flames lapping at their cheeks, too. (And I’m still feeling it down there, myself, but that’s another story…)

  16. theplanisworking says:

    Forgot there was even a story about Crosby til Josh Yohe covered it.

    I nominate this for non-story of the year.
    And, as long as the meida covers this garbage, it will continue to have legs. :(

  17. Ghost says:

    I think the word I have been meaning to use is “defamation,” not libel. Clark’s charge was made verbally, not in print.

    Now, as for Hippo’s charge that I made of with all his pondly possessions — that’s true, too! The mark of a great thief: to be able to sneak off with someone else’s things, even when you have on no clothing in which to hide them!

  18. Brandie says:

    Libel us print, slander is spoken.

  19. Eric Bowser says:

    This story has legs because someone over at the Post-Gazette failed, in fact more than one person failed. The writer failed and so did the editor. I’m not going to blame the people complaining about it because when you are sitting there for an hour or more and see someone “cut” in line, I’d be ticked off too. The real story should have been the government’s lack of efficiency in such a basic and repeatable process.

  20. Drew71 says:

    My choice for starting running back: Andrew Lambo.

  21. 21sthebest says:

    Wouldn’t bother me if Sid cut in line ahead of me. I don’t mind waiting forever to renew my driver’s license. Good reading/working time and you never know who you might meet.

  22. 21sthebest says:

    Maybe he’ll go Deion Sanders on us.

  23. NMR says:

    Boy, I could not disagree more that Clark’s comments are a good thing.

    It’s going to take intelligent, yet strong action to turn the tide against PED users, not the town drunk making an idiot out of himself. And that is exactly what Clark did.

    This wasn’t Clark v. Pujols. Did you hear the other stuff he said? Relating PED use to greed and using Justin Verlander as his other example?

    “He got that big contract, now he can barely reach 92, 93. What happened to it? He has no arm problems, nothing’s wrong. It’s just the signs are there.”

    That makes for great radio, Jack. Unfortunately it is a complete, utter lie. Verlander was sitting 98 in the final inning of his last start.

    If people like Clark start accusing every player who has worked hard enough to succeed in this sport, people are going to stop listening. Clark is the little boy calling wolf.

  24. Drew71 says:

    Do-rag high stepping touchdown celebrations or $10,000 12-button camel hair suits?

  25. MadTurk says:

    I was late to the game on the soccer hub bub yesterday, here is my 2 cents.

    Soccer? I looked back on the threads for Soccer and don’t see much activity? Where are these soccer people? When there is only one thread for the day even if the topic is soccer then expect baseball, football, hockey and chats to take place. Not knocking those who like soccer I just don’t see the posts on the soccer threads.

    I like playing Basketball and Golf but I don’t really care for watching basketball, and have a limited attention span on watching golf. Although I have been to a few golf opens in CA, OH and PA.

    During my recent European vacation, 5 countries and over 12 cities I even took a few shots of the Milan team jerseys and part of there stadium. Now to me that is sick thinking of DK and the soccer people while away on vacation. Thinking and following the Pirates, Steelers and Pens not so much :-) .

    DK: There’s no soccer issue here. What I’ve been talking about is being respectful to fans of any sports that might not make your favorite topic. ANY sports.

  26. MadTurk says:

    Running backs, Have to go with Redman as of now with the limited amount of time shown in the preseason. I could change my mind before the season starts.

  27. MadTurk says:

    Lambo, Well I hope he gets off a good start but more importantly he gets steady playing to adjust and relax at the plate to see what he has. My fears are the same as others. Slow start = pitchforks and such.

  28. Thundercrack says:

    I hope Lambo does well. I hope Tabata and Presley do well too.

    But if Lambo does well the reaction may be “NH is trying to sabotage the season. Lambo should have been up here weeks ago!”
    :-)

  29. …”his non-denial denial” did put questions into my mind.
    It made look at his numbers of the last few years and see a downward trend since 2009. Is it just his age? injuries? Normal regression from having MVP-type seasons? What ever the case, the cloud is there…
    Time will sort it out…maybe.

  30. Thundercrack says:

    You may meet a Penguin.

    I think what I learned by the PG story was that the PA DMV actually has a policy so that ‘celebrities’ can cut the line or make an appointment when renewing their license.

    I think it has legs because the media has to talk about something…including the national internet media

  31. tdb1977 says:

    No one around these parts uses pitchforks, torches, tar, or feathers? We are all understanding folks around here.

    Oh, whats that behind me. Don’t mind these items. Just a couple of chickens, a barrel of tar, and ready to use torches that can be light in a matter of seconds ;) You know, for all that sensible stuff we do when things don’t go the way we hope they do.

  32. MadTurk says:

    Agreed either way someone will be criticized.
    I like Presley as well and I don’t think he was given a long enough look this year. I could be wrong on him but would have liked see steady playing time. As for any new player. Tabata I have seen enough to know what he brings or not.

  33. Thundercrack says:

    I agree on the Verlander part.

    And I don’t like Jack Clark. But he is saying that he had a conversation with someone very close to Pujols.

  34. Matt hoffman says:

    Said it before and I will say it again. I have seen Lambo several times in Indy, just like I saw Alvarez, Marte and Cutch in person while they were here (Indy). Just like I said about Marte last year when called up. You all will be pleased with Lambo. He will strike out ALOT!!! But so does Alvarez, Cutch and Marte. He plays good defensively and he WILL hit home runs if given time (in other words, if he isn’t ran through with a pitchfork first or burned at the stake). He will probably have games where he hits multiple home runs. He may have games where he strikes out 3-4 times. Keep in mind, if you fail as a batter 70% of the time in baseball, you are generally successful!! Just my take on Lambo. Thanks and God bless the best bloggers in America.

  35. pattonbb says:

    Heard about this on Mike and Mike this morning. In 1998, John Gotti was caught on prison surveillance cameras talking to his grandson. His grandson (and I’m paraphrasing) tells him he wants to be a baseball player when he grows up. Gotti tells him if he wants to be a successful ballplayer, he has to take steroids.

    1998 was the year of McGuire and Sosa. How did a low-life like Gotti know more about what’s happening in baseball than Bud Selig?

    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/watch_steroids_gotti_didn_want_grandson_FOO9mGMKQxBjrpqGP5U0JJ

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  40. NMR says:

    I hear you, TC.

    And if Clark’s story made any sense at all, I’d have a lot easier time believing him.

    But does it make much sense for Clark to get all self-righteous with the creep and lowlife rant only to absolutely cop out by saying that steroids weren’t “on his radar” back when Mihfeld supposedly told him about Pujols, and thus never said anything at the time? Just coincidental that Clark was able to muster up the courage to come forward the very first week of his radio gig?

    Guy is an idiot.

  41. JAL says:

    Premiere League season starts Saturday and NBC is covering them this season.

  42. pattonbb says:

    Jack Clark is mad at the world for not putting him and his pedestrian stats in the hall of fame. Keep in mind this is also the guy that called on San Diego fans to publicly boo Tony Gwynn because he was worried Gwynn was stealing his spot light.

    Jack Clark may be right about Pujols, but he has no proof or credibility.

  43. Drew71 says:

    I don’t know what to make of Jack Clark.

    He says he “know(s) for a fact” but is repeating someone else’s alleged observation.

    Assuming we accept Clark at his word (and for this point, I’m making that assumption):

    - What would be “fact” is that Mihlfeld told Clark 13 years ago that he (Mihlfeld, not Clark) observed Albert taking PEDs while in the minors, 13 years ago.

    So IF that conversation happened, the only “fact” that Clark can fairly attest to is that this conversation took place.

    Doesn’t mean that the underlying allegations are true. Doesn’t mean they aren’t.

    But if nothing else, without more direct evidence, Clark’s “know for a fact” statement is an overstatement. That Clark has (reportedly) been making this accusation for years (according to his former radio partner Slaten) is beside the point.

    Here’s where it gets even more greasy. It may be overstated and STILL true. Or not. How do I know? But then again, how does Clark know? I mean “KNOW”, not believe, not hear?

    And go read the linked article that quotes Slaten. He may be collateral damage in all this, fired because of Clark, but Slaten also strikes me as a real piece of work.

  44. theplanisworking says:

    Lost in all this, is the simple fact that one can renew a drivers license online, hence eliminating the need to go anywhere.
    If you have to take your picture, that you have to go to the DMV for.

  45. theplanisworking says:

    Lost in all this, is the simple fact that one can renew a drivers license online, hence eliminating the need to go anywhere.
    If you have to take your picture, that you have to go to the DMV for.

  46. NMR says:

    Not arguing with you personally, Rick, but how is Pujols decline at all suspicious?

    He turned 30 in 2010, the year you point out he started declining.

    Isn’t that exactly what you would expect from a guy who was NOT using PED’s?

  47. pattonbb says:

    Not sure about PA, but here in SC they offer a 10 year drivers license renewal, but you have to go to the DMV to get it.

  48. 21sthebest says:

    I was thinking NFL and MLB in the same day.

  49. John Lease says:

    It wasn’t with nothing, it was a guy who wanted to shoot him up who said he did Pujols.

  50. theplanisworking says:

    For the fun of it, I googled Jack Clark.

    One of the results was for his Wikipedia page. (I know, Bleacher Report, Wikipedia).

    Just read it.
    What a treat.

  51. theplanisworking says:

    +1

  52. Jandy says:

    Ha! You two are definitely certified ;)
    Thanks for the laughs this morning, though. Much appreciated, loonies. :D

    Let’s hope Rambo Lambo rocks the ball his first game, or he may very well feel the torches and pitchforks, as you both said.

    Go Lambo!

  53. Jandy says:

    4 years here in PA. You have to have your picture taken at the DMV.

  54. theplanisworking says:

    And, the miracle-worker of the blog is here.
    Morning, Sister Jandy.

  55. Jandy says:

    +many

  56. Jandy says:

    G’morning my friend Hippo friend. It’s Tuesday, better than Monday, but I am bogged down. Gotta go over more stuff with the Boss this morning. Glad it’s a slower day here lol.
    Hope your day is wonderful :)

  57. theplanisworking says:

    Soggy, with a chance of steroids. ;)

    Enjoy the day, I will be back later to read the wisdom of the blog.
    God knows I need it. ;)

  58. Jandy says:

    it’s too bad people (I use the term loosely) feel the need to complain about something like this. The commotion that would have broken out at the DMV would have shut the place down and NO ONE would have gotten to do what they came for that morning.

    So please, people, get a life.

    That is all.

    :D

  59. Jandy says:

    Don’t we all?
    later on, my friend.

  60. Dom says:

    I agree that it’s not Sid’s fault!

    The DMV has a policy that they allow celebrities immediate access through the lines to avoid a commotion.

    I don’t think anyone is to blame for this incident but if anyone was to be blamed it be the DMV.

  61. The implication is he stopped when testing/suspensions were instituted…then the decline. And I’ve always believed 28-32 were a baseball players best years.
    Again, I found the “non-denial denial” to be interesting, but it’s just a cloud…

  62. Pucknutz says:

    Actually I have found the drivers licence centers to be very efficient. Even if there is a line it moves rather well. I thought the people do their job quite well.
    I go to the one in Butler, which apparently does not get as crowded as some in the much more populated Alley. Co.
    The last time I went (and this is very strange) there was not one person ahead of me !!!
    I walked in looked around the corner and saw absolutely NO one in the waiting chairs! I grabbed a # and spookily walked through the portal to the waiting area heard a little ding and my number called. I bust out laughing and walked up to the desk. I tell the guy there I gotta play this number heavy . I tell him I have never in my entire life walked in to any type of gov. office and not had to wait. He laughed and said “its midmorning early in the week, usually a little slow, picks up later in the week”.
    Put 10 bucks straight on the number – did not even come close – can’t win em all. LOL

  63. Karen22 says:

    What she SAID…

  64. Dom says:

    In regards to #22, it was reported that Bell was indeed on the field yesterday at practice so we got nothing to worry about at the moment in regards to his injury.

  65. Karen22 says:

    Emphasis should have been on “SHE,” Edit Button…

  66. theplanisworking says:

    Jandy disease strikes again !!!!

  67. NMR says:

    What is this “non-denial” people keep bringing up.

    Pujols invoked God in his response and threatened to sue Clark.

    How can you deny taking PED’s any stronger than that?

  68. theplanisworking says:

    If you hold a news conference and say………..

    “I am sure that substance never entered my body” —
    Ryan Braun, March 2012.

    But you are right, NMR, Pujols was so vehement in his denial, it seemed a bit more believable.

  69. Karen22 says:

    Best of luck to the young man…he’ll need it! Great bopper sports name, don’t you think? LAMBO! He LAMBO-ED it! BAM…another LAMBO!

  70. I’d believe Pujols before Clark.

    Clark has always been a bitter little fellow. (not necessarily little in size).

    Like you said before, the grizzled old age of 30 could mean decline or, like Rick said, prime.

    Different for everyone.

  71. NMR says:

    Ah, ok, in the literal sense Pujols never said the words.

    I get it. Thanks, plan.

  72. Thundercrack says:

    Taking injuries out of the equation, when a guy with the body type like Jason Bay hits age 30 and starts to decline – it seems like age is the reason people think of.

    When a guy with the body type like Albert Pujols hits age 30 and declines, people are more suspicious as to the reason.

    At least that is the way I think now.

  73. Thundercrack says:

    I think the people that need to get a life are the people that would have snapped a ton of cell phone photos and texted, facebooked and tweeted them. And to those people that would have called friends/family and told them he was there.

  74. theplanisworking says:

    I could say I had a conversation with someone very close to Pujols.
    Doesnt make it true in any regard.

  75. SeanAY says:

    So, has anyone actually answered the running backs question yet?

    I’m in a tight spot because the only impressions I’m getting are from print reports (which are consistently excellent at this paper, BTW). After reading Alan’s report today, I thnk it’s Bell’s job to lose. It seems this is a coaching staff that is slow to praise or elevate rookies; for Kirby Wilson to emphasize that Bell has been remarkably adept at not making mental mistakes speaks volumes, more so than wrapping with “performance” is what counts the most.

    In my opinion, saying Bell is not making mental mistakes – and also knowing just how talented he is – makes me think he’s the leader in the clubhouse.

  76. Thundercrack says:

    It wouldn’t be true if it was a lie.

    But if you actually did have a conversation with someone very close to Pujols then it would be the truth.

    Clark probably did have conversations with that guy. What he may be lying about is what they talked about.

  77. theplanisworking says:

    I did above.

    I said not seeing Bell has stopped me from giving an opinion.

    But Bell sounds like he will be a good option this year.

  78. Drew71 says:

    That’s no fun.

    I love the suits. Seriously. I want some. Seriously.

  79. TJ says:

    Morning all -

    Not really wanting to comment on much this morning. Not really sure what to take on the Lambo call up. Is this really the time to be experimenting with a kid that started in AA this year? Is this potentially a move that pushes NH in one direction or another if he has an opportunity to make a move?

    The only other thing I want to do is apologize to NMR. I was a jerk off yesterday. Was a long weekend for me mostly spent trying to figure out what I did to my back that caused me to spend most of Saturday in the hospital. Its not an excuse and doesn’t justify my behavior. I can admit when I’m a jerk and I was and hopefully we can all move along.

    On a positive note I do have a legal prescription for steroids so if Lambo does not work out perhaps I could be out in RF by the end of the season.

  80. Dom says:

    Let’s face it, we all know Bell IS the starter.

    LaRod Stephens-Howling is really a 3rd down back. Dwyer and Redman had their chance last year.

    If Bell doesn’t work out then we’re in for a long season and probably dedicate our 2014 first rounder on a RB.

    I’m starting to think that in addition to Bell, we would have also obtained UCLA RB Jonathan Franklin in the fourth round of this year’s draft instead of Landry Jones.

  81. pattonbb says:

    *** Warning – non sports related post to follow***

    Has anyone you know ever been bitten by a rattlesnake and not realized it? This is a story that was in your Sunday Trib. This young man is the son of a very good friend of mine.

    http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/4508207-74/pennsylvania-state-venomous#axzz2bliScjwD

  82. TJ says:

    Based on the era that Clark played in the MLB I’d be curious to know what type of drugs he was on when he played. Granted they were not PED’s but everyone knows that amphetamines were pretty popular during that time period.

  83. JohninOshkosh says:

    I think it is a premature question. I need to see Le’Veon Bell play against the big kids. I saw Bell play in Madison last year against Wisconsin. He had a poor game in Sparty’s loss. In fact, Bell had poor games against Ohio State and Michigan as well. So against the better teams in the Big Ten, he had some mediocre performances. That is of some concern to me. NFL defenses make even the ones constructed in Columbus, Ohio look like a Pop Warner team.

    I would be inclined to go with Isaac Redman. He has the experience and has shown flashes of being a strong back. Might want Bell to ease into the roll a bit. At any rate it is to the Steelers advantage to be cryptic about who might start even if Bell is strong in the preseason games.

  84. bizrow says:

    Is it gametime yet?

  85. NMR says:

    Hey TJ, much appreciated, but I honestly took our banter as more playful than anything. Lord kows I matched, and probably exceeded, your jerkness. Hope theres no hard feelings on your end.

    Regardless, I know what a bum back can do to my demeanor. That constant pain can make you miserable. Does your insurance cover Biogenesis? :)

  86. Dom says:

    Not for another 11 hours.

  87. Dom says:

    I meant to say “should” and not “would” in my last sentence.

  88. TJ says:

    Absolutely no hard feelings. I absolutely enjoy coming on here and actually talking with people that care about Pittsburgh sports. You can go to sites and talk with people that say they care but this site to me stands alone; even if you go to fangraph and not baseball-reference :-)

    My insurance said they would not cover biogenesis but they would cover tickets to Yankees games.

  89. TJ says:

    I have no problem with Sid or any celebrity other than perhaps DK cutting in front of me at the DMV.

    I’m there to get my license. The place is usually crowded as it is. I don’t need everyone and there mother running down to the DMV cause someone decided to send out an innocent tweet saying Sid was sitting next to them.

    Would cause total chaos that can be avoided. The law permits them to schedule an appointment so its not as if he walks in and someone drops what they are doing or stops working with the person in front of them to go help Sid.

    Instead of focusing on Sid; maybe we should ask does Mayor Luke get the table at the front of runway at the strip club or does he have to sit in the back?

  90. Dom says:

    I think it is a nonissue. Bell is the only one on the team who has the ability to be an every down back. The only way I see someone else starting game 1 of the regular season is if Bell goes down with an injury.

  91. JohninOshkosh says:

    I think professional athletes should have to pay extra to get extra benefits at the DMV.

    You know, just like they do when they go to the strip bars.

  92. TJ says:

    I must admit that running back situation aside; I’m not very optimistic about this coming Steelers season.

    1. OL is young
    2. Even if Bell turns out to be all that and more he has a young OL to run behind
    3. Brown is going to have to step up and earn his money despite what Wheaton does
    4. TE merry go round — Jones looks like the man but I wish they had taken Eifert
    5. I know its the preseason but isn’t that the time your supposed to be working on technique? If so Clark and Troy didn’t look so hot on that series vs the Giants
    6. Can we resolve the special teams issues? Howling might be a great returner but he hasn’t returned on a consistent basis since 2010.

    I could go on but I think this is enough to make me want to grab the pepto

  93. Kevin says:

    Grilli’s obviously not taking enough growth hormone… he should be back in the tank already saving us some games.

  94. TJ says:

    What are you talking about? The buffet at some strip bars is free during lunch time…. or so I’m told :-)

  95. Sisyphus says:

    So Clark says. The guy has denied that he ever told Clark any such thing.

  96. Jim S. says:

    I hope the last few months was a sign of the lightbulb going on for Andrew Lambo, Jandy. He ascended up to AA and AAA at a very young age, and it appears maybe he wasn’t ready for it at the time. I think that often happens with young players. The talent may be obvious, so the team promotes them only to find out that maybe they aren’t mentally ready. Every player is a bit different in that regard.

    This has to be an exciting time for him. He is realizing a dream. But, at the same time, he doesn’t have the luxury of sliding onto the roster in June. He is arriving at the height of a pennant race with all the pressure that brings. I’ll definitely cut him some slack for that. Unfortunately, if he struggles for a week or so, they probably have to look to someone else.

  97. Jandy says:

    drat!

  98. Kevin says:

    1. Starting RB should obviously be Dwyer. And I only say that because I have yet to see Le’Veon Bell complete one running play in practice or pre-season.
    2. Still waiting for the first “Lambo field” reference… maybe someone will print up a sign to put above the right field wall?
    3. Crosby should absolutely be given preferential treatment… and not because he’s a celebrity… do you really want a longer wait at the DMV caused by a several hours-long celebrity circus?

  99. tpbco says:

    Jonnie-

    The “story” is that one of the significant upsides to Bell is what he accomplished last year behind a poor O lIne (sound familiar), which would be emphasized against the better teams.

    Don’t know personally, since I generally can’t stand and don’t watch B10….but that’s the “story”.

  100. Jandy says:

    Wow! That young man must have a high tolerance for pain. He’s very lucky.

  101. Jandy says:

    That’s my boys :D

  102. Jim S. says:

    One thing Pujols could do to prove himself is to actually follow through with the threatened lawsuit. If he does that, the truth will come out.

    I don’t like reckless accusations, either. But, Clark is not the first person to accuse Albert of PEDs or of shaving years off his age. We don’t know if either is true. What we do know is that a lot of the steroid users seem to break down pretty quickly. Is Pujols following that pattern? I guess the next few years will tell. That still doesn’t mean he was a user, but it makes everyone wonder.

    In a totally unrelated piece of trivia, Jack Clark is originally from New Brighton, I think.

  103. TJ says:

    Sid had to get a new picture; he had some dental work done since the last one!

  104. Jandy says:

    Altoona is ALWAYS crowded. Always.

  105. Jandy says:

    hey, just think, it’s only Tuesday…time for a lot more Jandy Typos the rest of the week :D

  106. Vette60 says:

    Thanks for posting and seeing the Pitt Panthers mentioned in (2) of the rivalry games posted – Penn State and WVU…

    It is disappointing to me to see these traditional games fall away. Many of these games really started due proximity – lot easier to get from Pitt to WVU than Pitt to USC back in the day…

    This is all coming from a guy who went to Lehigh, home of college football’s most played Rivalry, 149th meeting coming up. I’ll be at Goodman Stadium in November to cheer on the Engineers (never the Mountain Hawks for me) to victory over Lafayette.

    Later All.
    Randy in RVA.

  107. Jandy says:

    Yeah but is his percentage and upward plane declining too?
    And how tall is he anyway???

  108. Brandie says:

    Wasn’t “Soggy with a Chance of Steroids” a kid’s story they made into a movie a few years ago? No, that was “Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs”. Sorry about that.

  109. Jandy says:

    I agree with you, Jimster. I actually feel sorry for the guy, so I will be sending strong positive vibes his way, and praying he at least plays decent. I don’t expect him to bedazzle us. But I do want him to succeed.

  110. tpbco says:

    Too me, this Crosby “none story” is patently ridiculous. Are the complainers mad at Crosby? the DMV? or just jealous of anybody that has earned some status? Reading some of the comments on other blogs of this paper, you can read all three.

  111. Jandy says:

    ahem, kevin, you forgot your ;)

  112. Steve says:

    Not having senn Bell either at this point I start Redman based on prior experience and work Bell into the game. If he performs he stays in. After all, the standard is the standard!

  113. Jim S. says:

    Exactly, Jandy! If this qualifies as the only black mark on Sidney Crosby, we should all wish for such flaws. I am not sure I heard the whole story, but my understanding was that he was asked to go to the front of the line. Can you imagine the commotion in that place if Crosby had to wait 30 minutes, or whatever, to get to the front of the line? It would have been a circus.

    I don’t profess to know Sidney Crosby or how he conducts himself on his personal time. But, I have never heard of any issues with him off the ice in his entire Pens career. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. It is not as though he is running crazy all over town every night like some players.

  114. Jandy says:

    Brandie is bringing it already this morning lol

  115. Jim S. says:

    Brandie:

    “Chance of meatballs” just gave me an idea for lunch. Thanks for that public service announcement.

  116. Brandie says:

    Again, if he does not part the Mon, I am not ready to anoint him as the second coming. I am interested to see how he does and his amount of staying power. Get your hustle on, Mr. Lambo and Let’s Go Bucs!

  117. Jandy says:

    You’re right on Sid, Jimster. He doesn’t run around causing trouble like some celebrities are known to. He doesn’t like to draw attention to himself. Poor guy doesn’t stand a chance.
    He’s darned if he does and darned if he doesn’t.

    Read Josh Yohe’s story that Dejan linked…it’s short and to the point. And describes Sid very well.

  118. Jandy says:

    Ha! We had meatballs and rigatoni for dinner last night :)

  119. Jim S. says:

    I think you are right about the Verlander part, NMR. If the trainer actually told Clark about Pujols, that is one thing. Go ahead and say it, if that is how you choose to handle it.

    But, has anyone accused Verlander of anything before this? That seems reckless, and certainly does not make Clark seem very credible on the Pujols issue.

  120. Jim S. says:

    Sorry. I meant in my first sentence that Clark may be right about the Pujols part.

  121. tomp says:

    So what will be the corresponding roster move, when Lambo makes the scene?

    Is Marte’s sore hand worse than we all hoped?.

    I hope he is replacing 1 of the sub standard right field options instead of our lead off hitter.

    Anyways, its going to be a tough initiation for the guy, putting him into the lineup , against Wainright, Lynn, and the other guy the Cards are starting in this series.

    When will the official roster swap be made?.
    I imagine sometime this afternoon.

  122. Bob Hasis says:

    Jose Canseco opened this “can of worms” and he was totally vindicated in his accusations. There were threats of law suits flying around, none of which came to fruition in the end. He was doubted by many Thomases as being of sound mind – but he was right.

    Yet even now, there is confusion in some minds about all of the truths – Bonds, Braun, ARod, Sosa, McGuire, Palmeiro, Conseco himself remain the “bulk” of the list.

    Go and Google, “Steroid Users in Baseball” for a far more comprehensive list of CHEATERS. The names and number of names are staggering.

    Why would anyone now doubt Clark? Pujols is no different than these others; he got his mega-millions and now his massive body is crumbling into a useless heap.

    And there will be no law suit here either!

  123. Kevin says:

    don’t worry… be happy.

  124. NMR says:

    Jim, could you list differences in the way former PED users age and non-PED users age in their mid-30s?

  125. Brandie says:

    Sending good vibes for a speedy recovery!

  126. Jim S. says:

    I think you are correct, Sean, about Bell being the leader in the clubhouse. Of course, that is a clubhouse severely lacking in talent at that position IMO. I like what I hear about him, though.

  127. Bob Hasis says:

    No sir, you are correct!

  128. Jim S. says:

    Agreed, Dom. To come into this season with 0 proven RB’s is a tad scary. Some teams seem to be able to find RBs every season. We have not been so good at it lately.

  129. NMR says:

    “Why would anyone now doubt Clark?”

    Because he doesn’t have a shred of credibility.

    Look, it would not surprise me one bit to find out that Albert Pujols used PED’s, just like every other guy that has been busted.

    But that is completely different than BELIEVING and ACCUSING him of using PED’s.

    Jack Clark is a coward. He supposedly knew of this damning evidence for over a decade. If he wanted to do what was best for baseball, he would’ve said something the moment he had this supposed conversation.

  130. Jim S. says:

    I’m with you on this, TJ. I sure hope I am wrong, and I will happily admit it if I am. But, when I take a look at the projected roster for this year vs. just a few short years ago, I feel like we are a lot worse off almost across the board. Very few impact players on this team now.

  131. Brandie says:

    Happy St. Lambo Day, everyone. Get your popcorn and playoff tickets ready!

  132. Bob Hasis says:

    I would believe he (Clark) was a user. He was nothing but a journeyman type player, then all of a sudden he emerged as a long ball threat.

    Take a look a Davey Johnson, now Washington’s manager. For most of his early career he was a puny hitting second baseman, then all of a sudden he became a home run threat.

    No accusation from me, I’m just saying. . . . how do you go from 10, 18, 5 home runs in a year then 43 in 1973 which I think led the league, albeit in Atlanta’s band box launching pad. Just luckier that year than all of the others?

  133. NMR says:

    “But, has anyone accused Verlander of anything before this?”

    See, this is exactly what I hate about PED accusations. It shouldn’t matter at all whether or not Verlander has previously been accused UNLESS the accusation was substantiated.

    Look at the Pujols article Dejan linked above. Pujols was accused of taking PED’s in ’06 because his trainer also happened to train Jason Grimsley, who was caught using, and shoddy journalists believed their mutual trainer’s name was blacked out in the investigation documents. It was later found that the trainer was NOT the one in the documents, thus the entire rumor had zero fact to support it.

    But now, seven years later, the accusation is referenced along with another baseless accusation in order to build a case against Pujols.

    And five years from now if another hack wants to accuse Verlander, you can be damn sure Jack Clark will show up in the same article.

  134. pattonbb says:

    Thankfully, he’s ok.

    But what a crazy story.

  135. Baywatch says:

    Morning Y’all! The Andrew Lambo era has begun. May I be the first with a nickname for our Twin Killers in center and right? THE ANDROIDS! (I got the copyright on that one, 3 percent from anyone who would like to use that from here on out!)

  136. Baywatch says:

    +1

  137. Jim S. says:

    I’m with you on Clark, NMR. He is a jerk, and he lacks credibility for how he decided to air this “news.” But, just like Canseco, it doesn’t mean what he is saying is not accurate.

    I think Bob makes a good point. It seems like every time one of these accusations comes up, the accused threatens a lawsuit but they never follow through, and it goes away. If Albert is innocent of the accusations, his best recourse is to sue and have the truth come out. I’m with Bob that he won’t do that. Either way, that will tell us a lot.

    Remember when the announcer of the Rockies (or, maybe ex-announcer) said a few years ago that Todd Helton was a juicer? He apologized a few days later, but I don’t think he ever took back what he said. For some strange reason, Helton never followed up. If you think that is because Helton just decided to turn the other cheek … the Brooklyn Bridge is still for sale.

    Regardless of the source, more often than not, it seems the guys being accused of steroids tend to just let the story diffuse. If it were me, and I had tens of millions of $$ to defend myself against totally false accusations, I think that is what I would do. Why would Pujols allow his reputation to be dragged through the mud if he had the opportunity to put it to bed once and for all? If he is innocent, I sure hope he follows through with the lawsuit. That would protect his and his trainer’s reputation.

  138. Dom says:

    I, like most, was displeased with the Steelers when we passed on Eddie Lacy and chose Bell. But, in Bell’s defense, he did not have one offensive lineman get drafted in April. By comparison, Lacy had three OLmen taken and two of them were in the first 11 picks.

  139. Bob Hasis says:

    Everyone knew of steroids and their usage, and for ever, no one talked about it, until Canseco.

    Do you think Clark has a grudge against Pujols? How do you know he’s a coward? Do YOU know of Clark’s “real motivation” for coming forward with accusations? Of course, an accusation is not proof, fact or conviction, but instinctively you doubt him and believe in Pujols.

    Why? You call him a coward for some reason, even though he may be telling the truth. It’s your opinion – go with it!

  140. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1

  141. TJ says:

    While I agree with you NMR; let me play devils advocate.

    Why now would he say something? Is it because he just got his own radio show and was looking for a way to boost ratings?

    I’m just trying to figure out the motive of Clark on this.

  142. JohninOshkosh says:

    Agree with you Bob on the law suits.

    Just like Dejan’s old editor saying x-rays are always negative. You could say there are never lawsuits. I will be absolutely shocked if Pujols ever files a lawsuit. The PR move is to cry bloody murder and threaten lawsuits so that the indignation sound byte makes the news following the accusation story.

  143. Nate83 says:

    I actually agree with Bob on this one. When is the last time you heard of someone being accused of using PED’s and it didn’t end up being true. Clark was trying to get ratings by throwing Pujols name out there and he has to live with the results of that but I don’t think he made the story up. There is no doubt in my mind that the conversation happened with that trainer and it is true.

    12 of the 15 guys suspended last week had never tested positive. That means the testing process failed to catch 80% of the players using and that is just one clinic. There are many, many, many more clinics.

  144. Dom says:

    I think we’re overestimating Lambo by just a tad. His numbers were not all that impressive in AAA. I think he profiles to be a bench player in the Majors.

  145. Jim S. says:

    I’m totally with you on accusations that have no basis in fact. But, how do we know Clark does not have the truth on his side here? I don’t like how he did it, but if he is right about what he is saying I think we should know.

  146. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, I will.

  147. Jandy says:

    Really, Dom?

  148. Jandy says:

    A good point, we SHOULD know.
    I’d love to see something else come of this…prove it right or prove it wrong.

  149. Jim S. says:

    I would say that guys who just age seem to slip in performance steadily. PED users seem to fall off a cliff performance-wise, and their bodies do the same thing. Are you really saying you don’t see that?

  150. TJ says:

    I agree with Dom here. The kid was just in AA to start this year. And really wasn’t that high on the prospect list coming into the year to begin with.

    We are a first place team and we are getting hyped over a kid that started the year in AA to be our RF solution. Yikes!

  151. Brandie says:

    “Soggy with a Chance of Steroids”, written by Jack Clark.

  152. Dom says:

    Yes, really.

  153. TJ says:

    Did Braun ever file a suit against the guy that “mishandled” his sample last year?

  154. JohninOshkosh says:

    I would also suggest that the radio station is somewhat of a coward. They have producers. They know what the topics are going to be in a segment. Clark knew this was going out over the airwaves. I’m sure the producers backed him with offering up his comments. I think it is ridiculous that Clark was discharged. His employer, who stood to make money off his comments, certainly didn’t have his back.

    What has happened to media organizations standing behind their employees. If is false, Pujols has plenty of remedies available in the courts.

  155. JohninOshkosh says:

    Nope. Just destroyed the man’s life.

  156. Jim S. says:

    I think you are dead on about Clark’s motive, TJ. Or, maybe Clark had some other reason for disliking Pujols, and was just waiting for now to air it. He knows the local fan base is not exactly pro-Albert at this point.

    I don’t think anyone is espousing the virtues of Jack Clark here. He had a reputation as being a total jerk when he played. But, if he’s right, he’s right.

  157. Brandie says:

    If the young man sets the world in fire, I will personally eat my words with hot sauce on em’.

    NEWS FLASH…

    ANDREW LAMBO IS JUST A BASEBALL PLAYER, NOT A SAVIOR. IF THE PIRATES NEED THAT MUCH OF A SAVIOR, THEY ARE IN TROUBLE DEEP!

    Good Luck Mr. Mambo and Welcome to Pittsburgh.

    THAT IS ALL.

  158. Jim S. says:

    Unlike soccer fans.

  159. Jandy says:

    well said.

  160. Jandy says:

    ehhh I was asking as I really don’t know. I’ve read a lot, mostly saying he has struggled, but hits home runs. That his fielding is erratic.

    I guess we’ll find out soon enough!

  161. NMR says:

    And how exactly do you two propose we find out?

    Pujols has passed every test he’s taken.

    The trainer denies he ever told Clark.

    Clark’s own recolection is dubious, at best.

  162. Jandy says:

    LOL!

    BOOM!

  163. Jandy says:

    for that reason alone, I despise Braun.

  164. Jandy says:

    I’m pulling for him. We can use some more bat power. I’ll watch with open mind.
    Good luck, Lambo!

  165. Jandy says:

    Don’t know that NMR, if I did, I’d certainly produce the evidence. But I’m not against sitting back and seeing what happens, either :D

  166. 21sthebest says:

    Would you like one of my Armani suits? All I want in return is a meal.

  167. Jandy says:

    Then again, I’m thinking both of them are looking like a POS. They can smear each other, and duke it out…see who ends up stinking less.

    Oh, darn, there I go again ;)

  168. Jandy says:

    pssst! Drew! offer him some all you can eat seats at PNC Park ;)

  169. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not sure I agree, John. This was apparently his first week on the job. And he may have bought the station a lawsuit. What does he do for an encore next week, next month?

  170. Jim S. says:

    I think it all depends on how legit you feel about what he has done this season. If you are in the camp that feels it has just been a case of a guy having so many at bats in AA and AAA that he was naturally going to figure it out at some point, then labeling him a bench player is accurate.

    If you are in the camp that says he is very talented, and it just took him a little longer than expected to figure it out but he has now figured it out, then you could see him as a starter for the Bucs with a nice power bat.

    I think we all hope it is the second option. We will all get to see beginning this week. I would not expect him to start tonight. I think they’ll give him at least a game to get a feel for the situation.

  171. TJ says:

    Didn’t he threaten a lawsuit? Or maybe I’m just thinking how he trashed him in public.

    I think every dollar that Braun lost due to this suspension should go to that guy.

  172. NMR says:

    I’m saying the evidence is annecdotal, at best, and not even close to being consistant.

    For every known PED user who has seen his performance fall off a cliff, so to speak, I gurantee I can find a non-PED user that has done the same.

  173. Thundercrack says:

    If you are wondering why Clark is speaking up now:
    1. He just started on a radio show in St Louis
    2. His cohost brought up the topic of Pujos cheating (juicing)

    If you haven’t yet, I recommend reading the story that DK linked above.
    Interesting stuff. I don’t like Clark but he doesn’t sound like a complete loon in the article (except the Verlandet stuff)

  174. TJ says:

    He’s not just a baseball player…

    He’s a Pittsburgh Pirate!

  175. NMR says:

    We have far differing opinions on the effect litigation would have on Pujols reputation.

  176. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think Braun did threaten a lawsuit.

  177. NMR says:

    I called him a coward because he supposedly knew about this for years, and also knew that Pujols trainer was still working in baseball, yet chose to only bring it up the week he got his own radio show.

    If he cared about the game half as much as he protests that he does, he’d have done something at the time, not a dozen years later.

  178. TJ says:

    The more and more I read down the threads today it kind of makes me laugh…

    I look at Jack Clark, I look at Pete Rose, and every other player that played in the 70′s and 80′s speaking out against the PED users. I’m not going to compare the types of substances they were using but I find it totally ironic that some of these guys want the players to come clean when many of them were hooked on one substance or another during their days. Amphetamines might not be PEDs but they certainly helped give the players a boost.

  179. Bob Hasis says:

    I agree with this entry completely. Unless the producer and program director were absolute incompetents, they would have known ahead of time what Clark’s material was intended to be.

    I also think that Clark was being an opportunist – not a coward. While Pujols was riding high (maybe literally) in St. Louis, no one would have been able to bring forth such accusations, but now that Pujols abandoned that city, this story just might get the support needed – at least locally there – to bring out the truth.

  180. Brandie says:

    That is right. I will agree to that. I want him to do well. I am excited for him that he has the chance to make it to the show. I just don’t want the Bucs to put all of it’s eggs in the Lambo basket and stop doing the things that have gotten them this far. If he lights a fire under the collective a$$ of the offense, then DYN-O-MITE!

    Maybe he and J-Hay can bat, pitch, and play for the entire team. :-)

  181. Nate83 says:

    I don’t know much about the station he works for but in most cases I would think that bringing this kind of publicity and a lawsuit against your employer in the first week on the job may be frowned upon. Most likely it isn’t a station that tries to be shocking.

    If this was Sirius/XM radio which has some anything goes say whatever you want sports talk stations then this sort of over the top comments stuff is expected of the employees by their employers. I beleive what Clark says is true but I think he errored in saying anything because he is representing more then himself in this particular instance.

  182. NMR says:

    Does Clark come off as a man who has much of a logical plan for anything after eating his Cherios and tying his shoes in the morning?

    YOUR logic makes perfect sense, but nothing Clark has done shows me he’s near as smart as you.

  183. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Here is the thing about Lambo….He’s 25 not 24 and already done TWO stints in AAA separated by injury.

    Everyone is acting like he was just in AA yesterday and now look. He was in AAA previously, was clearly either not ready or not right, and subsequently “reset” his career between rookie ball and AA last year…he was hurt for most of 2012 from what I can gather…this is not uncommon.

    He wasn’t high on the prospect list because he had been hurt for a relatively long time between what was a hand and possibly a knee that lingered???

    Either way he’s not here to save the day, you are right, but to say he’s wasn’t anything is sort of misleading.

  184. cmat0829 says:

    My two cents… there is a way to say stuff on the radio and in print and I think Clark went over the line… I think he used the phrase “know for a fact” and that is pretty strong language.

    Clark is free to speculate on usage — but why stop with Verlander and Pujols? We really don’t know how long baseball players have been using PEDs… the so-called Steroid Era dates back to 1998, when it became obvious.

    I guess I just think that when broadcasters or print columnists put forth these types of discussions, I wish they had an “only do something if it ADVANCES the story, otherwise, move on to something else”… we could speculate PEDs all day, every day for months and months (ESPN4?)… but what good would that do? Do all players use them? NO. Have more players used them than have been proven or alleged? NO DOUBT. Are there PED issues in other sports, most notably NFL? YEP.

    I think we’ve had all those discussions… time to move on to either ways to really deter the usage with stiffer penalties or to specific proof of other usage so that more cheaters can be punished. But this ‘in between’ stuff of “I talked to someone who said 13 years ago he gave PEDs to someone” and using that to say it’s a FACT that someone used, that is tired, uninspired talk radio and for no other reason Clark should’ve been fired for just not being original.

  185. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    He was in AA because he they wanted to make sure his hand wasn’t blown up forever.

  186. NMR says:

    This conversation supposedly happened a dozen years ago, Bob.

    Far before Albert Pujols was ALBERT PUJOLS.

  187. Arriba Wilver says:

    All Lambo has to do is be better than what we had before him. That’s not a very high bar. :-)

  188. cmat0829 says:

    MUCH needed perspective. Lambo is not one of the Bucs very best ‘high ceiling’ prospects. Not to say he doesn’t have talent and won’t make it in the bigs, but just to temper things a bit. This is not Polanco’s debut, when that one happens we can start the hype machine.

    Lambo compares more to—wait for it—- Travis Snider. A former top prospect from another organization that the Bucs are giving a shot…. impressive power in minors and we will now see if he can make the BIG JUMP that is AAA to MLB. The bar should not be set based on minor league stats (that is a futile exercise, just ask Matt Hague, Steve Pearce or any number of former Bucs), but should be based on the MLB play of Snider/Presley/Tabata. Can he perform better than that in the next 6 weeks plus? if so, good move and an upgrade. If not, it was worth a shot.

  189. TJ says:

    Whats lost in all of this is the person he got the information from.

    We can all question Jack Clark and the term “I know for a fact” but the bottom line is that his source is someone that has been linked to providing PED’s in the past.

    So you have Jack Clark taking the word of a man that was known for supplying and now you have Jack Clark’s word versus the supplier. Who has more credibility?

  190. Bob Hasis says:

    If Lambo is in the starting Lineup tonight, I’m predicting the first pitch he sees will be an out of the strike zone high fast ball, and the second will be a sharp curve or slider low and away, also out of the zone.

    Or his first pitch could be a Marte-type example.

    I have never seen him play or hold a bat. I wish him great success with us starting tonight, otherwise our entire blog will suffer from acute disillusionment.

  191. NMR says:

    “When is the last time you heard of someone being accused of using PED’s and it didn’t end up being true.”

    Really?

    Here’s a fun game:

    Go to your favorite stat site and sort last years homerun leaders.
    Then Google each players name followed by “steroids”.
    Good luck finding any players who haven’t been accused by someone along the way.

  192. tomp says:

    He just got his little radio gig last week.

    It’s called RATINGS, pure and simple.

    I am curious to see if Pujols carries through with his threat of a lawsuit.

    I am sure it would be a pretty interesting witness list, on both sides.

  193. Jim S. says:

    That’s true about amphetamines, TJ. But, didn’t it get a bit ridiculous for awhile there about 10 years ago? McGwire and Sosa had multiple years with 60+ HR. Bonds went for 73. Brady whats-his-name, in Baltimore, hit over 50 one year. This is just a small sample of the craziness.

    50 HR in a year was almost mythical. Then, all of a sudden, it was being done multiple times each season.

  194. NMR says:

    “…but the bottom line is that his source is someone that has been linked to providing PED’s in the past.”

    FALSELY linked in the past. It’s right there in the story Dejan linked above.

    This is what happens when rumors fly.

  195. TJ says:

    No where in my comment do I say that he wasn’t anything. Not misleading at all. He wasn’t on anyone’s radar coming into this season as someone to watch for.

  196. Arriba Wilver says:

    TJ —this was plan’s point above. The “supplier” was linked in news reports, which subsequently were proven untrue. You’re working from a false premise.

  197. NMR says:

    EXCELLENT post, Redus.

    I’m guilty of being pretty ignorant of Lambo’s past. Certainly checkered and flawed, but certainly filled with circumstance that could point to more than failing simply because he can’t hit.

  198. Jim S. says:

    I suppose so. I think it could be very beneficial in clearing Pujols’ name.

  199. TJ says:

    From one of the sources linking Milhfeld;

    “We repeat: We are not claiming that Pujols has taken HGH. We are simply pointing out that Milhfeld is reportedly mentioned in the affidavit, and that he has connections to be Grimsley and Pujols.”

    I really don’t care one way or another on this; but where there is smoke there is usually fire. We should have learned this from Braun.

  200. Nate83 says:

    You caught me. I guess I should have been more clear. The last player accused that gained any traction and became part of daily Sportscenter coverage. I am well aware that everyone included Derek Jeter has been linked to steriods by somebody.

  201. TJ says:

    Brady Anderson.

    Sure it did Jim. But would Pete Rose have ended up the hit leader if he didn’t possibly have a little extra push?

    I AM NOT CLAIMING TO KNOW ROSE TOOK AMPHETAMINES

  202. NMR says:

    The report mentioning Milhfeld in the affidavit was incorrent.

    “In 2006, Pujols addressed reports about Mihlfeld, when the trainer emerged from relative obscurity to national attention.

    That occurred when one of the players he trained, pitcher Jason Grimsley, admitted using performance-enhancing drugs and was suspended by Major League Baseball.

    Innuendos followed that Mihlfeld’s name had been one that was blacked out in a federal affidavit regarding the matter.

    Because of his connection to Pujols, some eyebrows were raised about a player who at the time was in the middle of his Hall-of-Fame caliber 11-year run with the Cardinals before moving to the Los Angeles Angels last season.

    It later was reported that the affidavit did not have Mihlfeld’s name.”

  203. Jim S. says:

    As I said, I think Pujols should sue Clark and make it as public as possible. Why should he not do that, if he is innocent?

    I realize this is not a fair situation for an innocent person to be placed in – having to prove his innocence on just heresay. But, what else can he do?

    I’m not convinced there isn’t something to these accusations. After Braun, McGwire, Clemens, Palmiero, Sosa, ARod, nothing surprises me about denials.

  204. TJ says:

    I can admit when I am wrong

  205. TJ says:

    But does not mean Jack Clark is wrong

  206. NMR says:

    Gio Gonzalez.

  207. Jim S. says:

    You’re right, TJ. Many players have said that they bowls of “greenies” in every clubhouse before games that were available to all the players. I’m sure it helped a lot. A 162 game, coast-to-coast schedule is grueling. I just think that PEDs suddenly took things to a whole other level that got ridiculous.

  208. NMR says:

    Curtis Granderson.

    Jose Bautista.

  209. JohninOshkosh says:

    I hope Lambo does well.

    I would prefer Adam Dunn in the lineup.

    And I will hope Frozen Tundra (too much ?) doesn’t read blogs.

  210. NMR says:

    Certainly agreed there, Jim.

    But who gets to draw the line?

    Assuming all drugs affect people differently, who gets to decide that drug A helped player B more than drug C helped player D?

  211. I don’t know about invoking God’s name, but Roger Clemens sued McNamee when he made the accusations about Clemens. I don’t know where you stand on Clemens, but the whole…the drugs were for my wife and her photo shoot and not the professional athlete in the house didn’t sway me to think Roger was “clean”.

  212. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m not saying he’s wrong or right about the ultimate issue–whether Pujols juiced.

  213. Kevin says:

    That’s the truth, they don’t need much of anything. Alot of the games come down to a hit here or there to have a different outcome. Don’t need to be a hero to make plays. Just need a spark. Maybe thats him?

  214. NMR says:

    Never stopped Lance Arstrong rumors no matter how many people he sued.

    Just sayin.

  215. Bob Hasis says:

    The law suit involving Clemens and the guy who injected him was centered around a technicality – the details of which now escape me, but never-the-less the whole sordid event became like a three-ring circus. And Clemens is still guilty.

    Another technicality occurred in the Braun issue a year or so ago, and Braun’s ultimate guilt was merely delayed.

    My point is a law suit will not occur here either; they get messy, expensive, and guilt is eventually inescapable – based on precedent.

    Pujols is DONE. He has his money and a screwed up body, and the only thing he would attempt to preserve is his reputation (and I don’t infer a reputation is not sacred), for HofF consideration – which will not occur.

    I don’t call him guilty; he is simply no more innocent than any of the others. Although the female chef who lost her TV job, was adjudged as guilty way before the court of law – such as it is these days – deemed her INNOCENT.

  216. TJ says:

    Totally agree. I think that the PED’s took the HR levels to a totally different level

  217. Kevin says:

    HA! the frozen tundra of lambO field… (best said in the gravelly voice of Chris Berman)

  218. NMR says:

    +1

    The bigger topic, as Dejan wrote above, is whether or not this is good for baseball.

    I cannnot think of a single way that a jaded former player slinging unsubstantiated accusations at one of the games current stars helps Major League Baseball what-so-ever.

  219. TJ says:

    Yeah I think Moreno is regretting that huge contract at this point; between him, Wilson and Hamilton they have nothing to show for it.

    The guy that continues to amaze me that no one bothers to look at when it comes to PED’s is David Ortiz.

    Take a look at this picture…

    http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/david-ortiz-ultra.jpg

  220. Dom says:

    “I hope Lambo does well.

    I would prefer Adam Dunn in the lineup.”

    Why not both?

  221. TJ says:

    Whats scary is to think that the Pirates may have had 20 straight losing seasons with the help of PED’s!!!

    Hope they can get a refund

  222. Sisyphus says:

    There hasn’t been a power hitter who hasn’t been accused for the last 20 years. Accusations are not evidence.

    Meanwhile, most of the guys who have gotten caught would struggle to his 10 HRs at AAA.

  223. pattonbb says:

    I have a lot more reasons than that.

  224. Arriba Wilver says:

    I too believe Clemens is dirty.

    But I think you’re mixing up the criminal trial and Clemens’ defamation suit. I don’t remember if the defamation suit was dismissed, or if it was just filed, and nobody has ever done anything. Seems dead one way or the other.

  225. JohninOshkosh says:

    “Some look at things that are, and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?” – George Bernard Shaw

    Good point, Dom !

  226. 21sthebest says:

    I would rather be waterboarded than ever sit in those seats Jandy.

  227. Bob Hasis says:

    What’s the deal with these 3-hour or 5-hour drinks that are sold in stores? I would have no reason to know or to use one, but do they not give a temporary boost to ones energy, hence adrenalin jolt?

    Do players use these in the way “greenies” were?

    I guess a good glass of milk just doesn’t cut it anymore.
    Too many artificial substances being entered into the bod.

  228. Arriba Wilver says:

    With you again on that, NMR. (This is getting embarrassing)

  229. pattonbb says:

    He threatened, but most think the MLBPA told him to shut his pie hole.

  230. Bob Hasis says:

    I like it!

  231. NMR says:

    I’m not even a betting man, but I’d put a pretty penny on Pujols not being “DONE”.

    Dude is one year removed from hitting 30 homeruns and playing in 154 games. He’s playing through a foot injury this year that barely allows him to run and he’s still on pace to hit 25 HR.

  232. pattonbb says:

    Ken Griffey Jr.

  233. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t think he ever had any intention of following through.

  234. pattonbb says:

    oops….I thought we were naming players that did take them.

  235. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1

  236. Jandy says:

    Wonderful idea, TJ!!!!

  237. First off, I’ve only read what Albert has said. I haven’t seen him say it, so I have no context on how vehemently he denies it. But he never said (in his statement) “I didn’t take steroids.” Maybe it’s just me or semantics, but like it has been pointed out, saying the words out loud doesn’t make it true.
    Here’s an excerpt from his statement.
    “I’ve said time and time again that I would never take, or even consider taking, anything illegal. I’ve been tested hundreds of times throughout my career and never once have I tested positive. It is irresponsible and reckless for Jack Clark to have falsely accused me of using PEDs. My faith in Jesus Christ, and my respect for this game are too important to me. I would never be able to look my wife or kids in the eye if I had done what this man is accusing me of.”…
    So that is the “non-denial denial” that I was referring to.
    Second, I’m not accusing Albert of anything. I simply looked at his numbers after I read the “non-denial denial” and it has made me wonder.

  238. Sisyphus says:

    And how about this guy? Look at these home run totals.

    14
    28
    16
    39
    61
    33 at age 27

    Never hit 30 again.

    Guess he had his supply of PEDs dry up.

  239. Jim S. says:

    You’re right, NMR. It’s a mess to sort out the differences between players of different eras to begin with. Then, throw in artificial enhancers and it is impossible.

    By the way, I was just sorting through yesterday’s posts. I liked your response when I asked about your OPS as a 1b. .900 OPS with an unsustainable K-rate, huh? Does that make Stetson Allie the new NMR?

  240. Sisyphus says:

    I’m not claiming that either, but I know which way I’d bet. I remember that the Phillies of his era were reported to have bowls of greenies around the clubhouse for anybody who felt the need.

  241. Jim S. says:

    I think they are mostly caffeine and B Vitamins, Bob. Some people I know use them to replace coffee. I think players are able to use them.

  242. Jandy says:

    LOL 21, it was said “tongue in cheek”
    ;)

  243. Jandy says:

    Zactly!

  244. Jim S. says:

    Who is that “Arias” fellow in the picture, TJ? Looks to me like a skinny version of Ortiz.

    Seriously, though, you are right about Ortiz. If only one of us had a radio gig we could take him down this afternoon.

  245. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m pretty sure steroids were illegal throughout this period we’re talking about. Illegal under federal law, and it’s pretty clear that’s what he’s talking about. I don’t consider that a non-denial denial. It’s actually broader than just saying steroids, and it’s followed up by “falsely accused me of taking PED’s.”

    I have no idea if he used, but the picking apart of his statement as a non-denial doesn’t wash with me.

  246. Kevin says:

    so you’re saying we need to put Marte on the Ortiz diet? (reading-between-the-lines fail)

  247. Bob Hasis says:

    He is done as not being worthy of a 200 million dollar salary that has some 8 more years to run, and those nagging little foot injuries occur more frequently “past 30″ when juiced or not.

    Foot, finger, wrist, groin, rib, oblique, hamstring, calf, knee whatever is there, he is more susceptible.

    His once big, powerful and strong body is gone and he is done.

  248. Jim S. says:

    That’s a good question.

  249. TJ says:

    Dunn, Lambo and Pedro in the same lineup?

    Might break the record for most strike outs in a game

  250. Jim S. says:

    Maris, Sis?

    Sure took advantage of that short porch for a spell.

  251. Bob Hasis says:

    You want proof; ask LA Angels if they are willing to deal him in this waiver time of personnel transactions.

  252. TJ says:

    Kind of amazed that Chris Davis isn’t getting more attention than he is this season. I know he’s received some but his pace is kind of ridiculous compared to the field. But now that we have lived through the PED era we are going to have this every time someone has an above average year.

  253. Jandy says:

    Jim is right, and they taste terrible.

  254. Jandy says:

    ZING!

  255. Bob Hasis says:

    Most likely, because it is different than “the norm”. Of course we are continually dealing with “New Normal” these days.

  256. Jandy says:

    TC, yeah those people need to get a life too.

    But hey, it’s life the way we are supposed to know it!

  257. Jandy says:

    Hope it gets better fast, Teddy Bear!

  258. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Speaking of HR’s….I can’t help but to think how great (salary dumped) RF Jose Bautista would look in that Pirate line up right now.
    Too bad the Nutting Regime traded him for a catcher.
    What was his name?….Robinson Crusoe?….Or some such nonsense.
    Next up!….Andrew Lambo.

  259. TJ says:

    Looking at the standings you have to wonder if its not going to be the Braves and Dodgers in the NLCS.

    I think the most over looked player in the Upton deal with the D-backs was the Braves getting Chris Johnson in the deal as well. He killed the Pirates last year and is having a tremendous season for Atlanta.

  260. 21sthebest says:

    I know I know….

  261. Jandy says:

    Oh I do too, but with that one….one doesn’t need more.

  262. Jim S. says:

    Don’t forget Starling.

  263. Bob Hasis says:

    To me an interesting thing about Davis is, in the past few years, he had trouble putting the bat to the ball – always a leading strike out contender.
    Now, even though his K’s are down slightly or somewhat, he seems to be hitting the ball more often, obviously – and it’s going “real” far.

  264. Bob Hasis says:

    Yes

  265. Bob Hasis says:

    As opposed to +1

  266. Jim S. says:

    But, that’s because he was guilty. We are presuming Albert is not. I would not recommend he sue Clark if what Clark said was true. Armstrong is an idiot.

    I hear you, though. All it takes is for some other guy to start it all over again.

  267. Jandy says:

    Yeah, those low, away pitches…

  268. CeeHowUR says:

    Tweet from James Neal yesterday.

    james neal‏@jneal_1820h
    I skipped the line at the DMV 2. Just incase anyone was wondering.

  269. Baywatch says:

    Anybody with me on Lambo hitting for the cycle tonight? Maybe The Androids doing it TOGETHER? A double and a home run for Lambo, a single and a triple for Cutch? I’m feelin’ it! (OK, Lambo breaks up Wainright’s no-hitter in the 9th with a swinging bunt)

  270. Brandie says:

    The Teddy Bear is En Fuego!

  271. Sisyphus says:

    Yep, Maris. Just one example of many that demonstrate the futility of trying to prove steroid use by counting home runs.

  272. Brandie says:

    Jimster…

    Hope those were some tasty meatballs made with meat that is steroid and hormone free.

  273. Dom says:

    I heard about that yesterday. Those individuals responsible for that article should make a public apology to Sid.

  274. Nate83 says:

    I’ll give you Gio although I’m not convinced he didn’t do use them but yes his name was linked to the most recent suspensions and he didn’t get suspended.

    Granderson and Bauatista I have never heard more then rumors and speculation like Chris Davis this year. I never thought they where accused by somebody where it became their word versus somebody elses.

  275. Jim S. says:

    Let’s check back on Davis in 2 years and see if he really was able to transform himself from barely mediocre to monster HR hitter. Sometimes guys get on a roll where everything clicks for an extended period. Usually, they go back to what they were before.

    Not always, though. Bautista definitely figured it out and found a new level. David Ortiz went from line drive hitter to a monster as well.

  276. Arriba Wilver says:

    In light of the topic today, Bay, you really think the “Androids” is an wise nickname?

    :-P

  277. Jim S. says:

    Johnson has been tremendous, TJ. I am still not a fan of Justin Upton, though. (I prefer Kate). I think he is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode at an inopportune time for the Braves.

  278. Bob Hasis says:

    Anyone here, among the most informed sports advocates ever assembled, get any value in watching Stephen A. Smith “the world’s foremost authoritative voice” and Skip Bayless , the maestro of hyperbolic animation on First Look.

    I hate myself when I even accidentally stumble on that station and am forced to see either one of them.

    Can someone tell me one profound thing ever said there, that you (we) didn’t already know?

  279. Arriba Wilver says:

    Like I said yesterday, throughout baseball history you would have a player here or a player there have an exceptional season. But what we had in the steroid era was not a coincidence. And the numbers were so far above the norm for many players, there’s no doubt it was chemically enhanced.

  280. TJ says:

    I equate watching that to watching a train wreck. You just sit there waiting for them to say something stupid.

  281. Jim S. says:

    And you don’t have to watch long for that.

  282. Jim S. says:

    Yup. My only complaint with Starling. I can live with it, for everything else he brings.

  283. Nate83 says:

    Skip Bayless makes me physically ill. Stephan A. Smith actually makes me laugh for a few minutes before then becoming annoying. Kind of the same effect a three year old kid doing knock-knock jokes non-stop has on me.

  284. Bob Hasis says:

    I think I used the word hyperbolic way out of contest – and incorrectly. Kindly replace that word with rhetorical or any other synonym of your choosing.

    Thank you!

  285. Jim S. says:

    + many.

  286. Jandy says:

    Agreed. I really like the guy…

  287. Bob Hasis says:

    context

  288. Baywatch says:

    We’re recapturing our culture, Arriba!

  289. Baywatch says:

    And PLUS ONE for you on that one, Arreebz!

  290. Bob Hasis says:

    I have some real miserable, nervous vibes going about this game tonight. I’m definitely in need of a Xanax right now and hope it lasts for about 10 hours.

    Just that name Wainright pisses me off!

  291. Jandy says:

    Give it up, Bob…lol
    You need some steroids? ;)

  292. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Remember when a tin of dip was all you needed to get that extra edge on the diamond?

  293. Sisyphus says:

    It’s not a player here and a player there. You can find home run spikes all over the place, dating back way over 100 years.

    If you look back throughout history, home run spikes tend to cluster around expansions. MLB added four teams total by expanding in 1993 and 1998. Another factor in the 90s is that ballparks were being replaced all over, and a lot of the new parks were much smaller. I don’t doubt that PED use had some impact on HR counts, but I also don’t doubt that their impact was small when compared to the expansion factor and the smaller ballparks.

  294. Jandy says:

    You need a beer….that’s it!!
    lol

  295. Jandy says:

    Ha! those were the days!

  296. pattonbb says:

    I think Davis is legit. The guy has hit monster shots at every level, he’s just fought a lot of injuries. I heard his HR ratio in the minors was 1 HR per 16 AB. Now it’s 1-10.

    Pedro’s is 1-14.

  297. Bob Hasis says:

    Yes to this idea

  298. NMR says:

    Ha! Speaking of steroids…

  299. Bob Hasis says:

    Jist a little peench between yore cheek n guuums

  300. TJ says:

    They couldn’t afford steroids; they were only making $145k a year on average in 1980 compared to 3.2mil today.

  301. NMR says:

    That assumes he ever had a chance at being worth that ridiculous $200m in his late 30s contract in the first place.

  302. TJ says:

    James Harrison making friends in Cincy; comments concerning Hard Knocks

    “I don’t feel they deserve to be here. They did nothing to be here other than they want to be here. They didn’t put no blood, sweat and tears into [any] of this,” the linebacker told reporters.

    “All these men here, they’ve done that. They did nothing. No one deserves to see this, to come inside unless you’re part of this.”

    I didn’t realize James was so rich in Bengal history. The only reason James is there is because they were one of a few teams that actually wanted him. Don’t know if anyone has watched the show but he’s done everything he can to make an azz of himself

  303. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Bautista is a great comparison. You could see when he was with the Pirates that the potential was there if he could ever just find that groove. Davis is probably no different, and to be honest, I’d say that if he isn’t figured out by AL pitching already, he’s likely to carry this into a few more seasons.

    Late bloomers happen all the time in MLB….Wehner talks about it often.

    Ask G. Jones about that

  304. 21sthebest says:

    A couple of the Red Sox told stories about everybody on the team taking a shot of JD before every game in the ALCS against the Yankees and some of the World Series games.

  305. Jandy says:

    I’d rather have a shot of SoCo ;)

  306. Bob Hasis says:

    Usually at this time of day, I’m looking forward to the game with great anticipation – which today has been replaced by apprehension.
    As I said the other day about this series and the next one, and was beaten down by several of my combative acquaintances here, to me this represents the “Y” in the season, and as Yogi and Milo have suggested “take it”.

    I think I’ll have that Xanax now

  307. Milo Hamilton says:

    I think Lambo’s juicing. Isn’t it great that we can just come out & say that now ?

  308. Bob Hasis says:

    He’s one guy I am NOT meeting in a dark alley.

  309. Jandy says:

    Ok one Xanax coming right up, Mr. Bob Hasis. And if you need another, just holler!

  310. I was leaning more on the “I’ve said time and time again that I would never…” as opposed to the I never took…
    I saw it as him pointing out that in the past he said he didn’t do it. But this time, instead of say he didn’t do it, he just points out that in the past he said he didn’t do it.
    I shouldn’t have used the word steroids.

  311. Jandy says:

    he’s definitely one loco mofo!

  312. Jandy says:

    would that be grape or orange?

  313. Bob Hasis says:

    Yelp

  314. Kevin says:

    +1 Kate.

  315. Milo Hamilton says:

    Were those the same days there were bowls of amphetamines sitting on tables in the clubhouse ?

  316. Bob Hasis says:

    Opportunism abounds

  317. Milo Hamilton says:

    Alex Presley – down.

  318. Nate83 says:

    I guess that is good news on Marte.

  319. Arriba Wilver says:

    Still don’t get it. Especially in light of the 2006 stuff mentioned in DK’s linked article. He has said time and time again, and maybe he’s tired of it. Gotta read it all together.

    Like I say, I have no idea, but the statement doesn’t help me.

  320. Arriba Wilver says:

    I feel much better about baseball.

  321. Jim S. says:

    Sounds like a PED, Bob. We need all hands on deck tonight!

  322. Milo Hamilton says:

    For the children that run blogs & cover the Pirates at the other paper -

  323. Jim S. says:

    Definitely.

  324. Milo Hamilton says:

    YOU CAN’T USE THE 60 DAY DL UNTIL THE 40 MAN ROSTER IS FULL. Now it’s full.

  325. Jim S. says:

    I got a chuckle reading that, Jandy, while looking at your avatar of Ma T.

  326. 21sthebest says:

    Hopefully the guys on The Fan read that too. All of them.

    Now

  327. 21sthebest says:

    teach them about options and the waiver rules please.

  328. Milo Hamilton says:

    Biertempfel too.

  329. I gotta say, I haven’t seen Pujols deny PED use since probably 2006. So maybe he is denying it regularly and since I’m not a St Louis or LA follower I don’t see it. But this is the one time since 2006 someone has straight out publicly accused him by name. It seems to me it would be worth saying the words over again even if it annoyed me.

  330. NMR says:

    Progress!

  331. NMR says:

    There are only so many hours in the day to learn the rules.

  332. Jim S. says:

    I picked up a CD at the gift shop in Cooperstown last week. Voices of the Game, I think. It was the one on the Gunner, Bob Prince. Hosted by Cubs’ announcer, Pat Hughes.

    I found it very entertaining. As a kid, I caught only the tail end of the Gunner’s reign. But, I have vivid memories of how entertaining he was. One thing I didn’t realize is that when he was fired by Westinghouse, he was the longest tenured radio announcer for a single team in MLB history with 28 consecutive years. Many teams have guys reach that milestone these days, but it was not common in Prince’s day.

    The most entertaining snippet on the CD was when he described a division-clinching game vs. Philly. I believe it was his final year, 1975. Nellie King had called in sick that game, and Bob had to fly solo. He kept commenting that he was running out of things to say. At one point, he took a break to get a shot in the butt for something or other. Then, he described it in pretty great detail. What a character.

  333. Arriba Wilver says:

    The Angels are probably hoping Clark is right. :-)

  334. Jim S. says:

    I also meant to mention that he described the night in St. Louis where he jumped off his hotel balcony into the pool on a bet with Dick Stuart. He said he never collected the $20 from Stuart.

  335. Jandy says:

    OK fine…then cherry

  336. Dom says:

    He had his chances and never capitalized on them.

  337. Nate83 says:

    Well if it’s your job you have at least 8 more hours a day then I do for it to make sense for you to learn the rules.

    I just ask JAL when I don’t know a rule. Maybe others should have him on speed dial.

  338. Jandy says:

    Priceless!

  339. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ll tell you one thing, if you think I’m going to commit to this fan thing 24/7 you have another thing coming.

  340. NMR says:

    Your enthusiasm is infectious, Mr Hasis.

    Brings a smile to my face.

  341. NMR says:

    Joke. He got the 24/7 nickname for a reason.

  342. Milo Hamilton says:

    Exactly. Where does he find the time ? He has a life & a real job. I got the 60 day DL stuff from Huntington on his show. Everyone can listen. Not like it’s a secret.

  343. NMR says:

    Maybe the Trib should pick up a 5th beat writer to ease his load.

  344. Jim S. says:

    That is an impressive improvement by Davis.

    Per 500 ABs:

    1/16 ratio is 31 dingers.
    1/10 ratio is 50 dingers.

    That is going from good to great. We’ll see if he can sustain it. But, there is definitely something different about him now. He seems so effortless crushing the ball.

  345. Milo Hamilton says:

    I really like the ones where you mix everything in the juicer. Sort of the Jack LaLanne thing. Especially spinach & bananas. Looks green & disgusting but it tastes great. This health kick is going to kill me. :)

  346. Jim S. says:

    Walt Garrison, right?

  347. NMR says:

    Jack Lalane was obviously a lowlife creep that used steroids.

    Now somebody pat me on the back for doing my part in cleaning up cable TV infomercials..

  348. Milo Hamilton says:

    Isn’t this refreshing ?

  349. Jim S. says:

    I wanted him to seize the opportunity, but he never did. Now, unless Lambo is a complete disaster, I don’t think we’ll see Presley again this year.

  350. Jim S. says:

    Not until you take down the Sham Wow guy, NMR.

  351. JohninOshkosh says:

    I love this gag, Milo. Always picture the bloggers who are CREDENTIALED (!) sitting around a group circle like preschoolers in the middle of the Pirates clubhouse. Why there is little Kristy wearing her brand new dress!

  352. Bob Hasis says:

    Correct a mundo

  353. Jandy says:

    Glad I can amuse you, Jimster ;)

  354. Kevin says:

    I’m sure you are just being weird/sarcastic in some way. Kinda ridiculous to insult a guy who inspired millions to live healthier lives.

  355. Bob Hasis says:

    ????Chances You have to be kidding.

  356. Jandy says:

    I know what I do…I just ask YOU guys on here :)

  357. Kevin says:

    ;) seriously though, he needs to take more growth hormone. We could use another power hitter.

  358. Milo Hamilton says:

    She’s the one in bare feet because her high heels are hurting her feet (When I met her, she was indeed holding her shoes in her hands.) Two words Blondie – sensible shoes. The whole culture just floors me. And just because their conversant in saber babble it automatically makes them smarter than anyone over the age of 40. And they all think exactly the same things. Just find out what one of them thinks & you don’t even have to ask the others. LEARN THE RULES. AHHHHHHH.

    Sorry, lost my mind for a second.

  359. NMR says:

    One thing I haven’t read about regarding Lambo is how the Dodgers may have hurt his development.

    You hear the six-years-in-AA line dropped all the time with him. Nobody interested in discussing WHY a 4th round pick out of high school was pushed to AA in just his second year of pro ball?

  360. NMR says:

    We can criticize Pujols for juicing but not Lalane?

    Why the double standard?

  361. NMR says:

    His amphetemines of choice were much more powerful than the ones passed around MLB locker rooms.

    And that ain’t a joke.

  362. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Orioles have called up Ronny Paulino to back up the guy we didn’t need to draft because we had Ronny Paulino.

  363. Jandy says:

    I saw it running up the highway, but it was running way too fast for me to catch it!

  364. Jandy says:

    Ahhh kevin, and here I thought you were being facetious!

  365. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s all the juice.

  366. Jandy says:

    of course, so how would an old, tired Nun like me catch it????

  367. NMR says:

    As a guy who is interested in sabermetrics enough to know I have barely a cursory understanding of their true depth and meaning, it blows my mind how terribly ignorant they are as a collective group.

    Just today Timmy has an article in which he incorrectly calculates Stetson Allie’s strikeout rate. A stat that can easily be copied from any one of the saber-minded databases.

    David Manel is the only one that knows the difference between a calculator and an iPhone.

  368. Kevin says:

    no, double standard.. what evidence you have that LaLanne was using steroids? again, I am assuming you are just being weird/punny and not deliberately bad mouthing the godfather of fitness.

  369. cmat0829 says:

    joggin Ronnie… he also has a PED suspension in his past, right?

  370. Nate83 says:

    I was thinking that the other day. Why would a guy touch AA for 6 years and only be 24 (now 25 years old)? He had to have been rushed. I didn’t realize he was a 4th round pick. That makes it even more peculiar. I guess when you have a billion dollar TV contract you don’t really have to concern yourself with proper development of players.

    I know injuries have played a role in keeping him at AA a little longer. His 2011 year was really dissappointing. Last year he actually put up good stats but it was only over 35 games played. I guess that gives me a little hope that he had started putting things together last year and this is a continuation. It will be fun to watch over the next few weeks. I hope he is awesome but I’m not expecting it. If he can just contribute as much as Mercer he improves the team. Heck if he hits like Tabata with more power he improves the team. 60 extra base hits don’t happen on accident.

  371. The Gunner says:

    The Gunner was the best at his chosen profession. I am still POed about the way he was dismissed. I certainly remember both the game you reference when Nellie King was sick as well as his bet with #7, Dick Stuart.

  372. Nate83 says:

    According to his manager that guy will be playing for the Yankees in two years while we still have 5 years of Tony Sanchez left. See everything works out in the end. Weiters good years would have been wasted by our bad years.

  373. Jim S. says:

    Thanks for the reassurance, Nate. I was thinking it was a mistake to not draft Wieters.

  374. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s a very weird viewpoint to me.

    It was good, however, in that it helped get DL fired.

  375. Milo Hamilton says:

    You’re obviously talking about some other Tony Sanchez.

  376. Nate83 says:

    No it was definately a mistake. Tongue was placed firmly in cheek.

  377. Sisyphus says:

    To be fair, his AA debut was an 8 game cup of coffee at the end of his second season. He’d already performed well in rookie and A ball. There was really no reason to keep him in A ball for a second season, and he wasn’t overwhelmed at the AA level. He always hit well enough to avoid a demotion, but didn’t manage to show enough improvement to move on, either. I can’t really blame the Dodgers for sending him to AA when they did, but it obviously didn’t work.

  378. NMR says:

    I really have to believe Nate was being sarcastic there.

    Please tell me Nate was being sarcastic.

  379. Nate83 says:

    Speaking of DL what ever happened to Moskos. Is he DL’s personal assistant or maybe adopted son.

  380. Sisyphus says:

    Obviously, just look at his home run totals :-)

  381. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lambo’s time in LA preceded the billion dollar contract. I think it was actually in the McCourt’s time. ‘Nuff said.

  382. The Gunner says:

    The Gunner was the best. I remember both the game you reference when King was sick as well as the bet with Big Stu.

  383. Karen22 says:

    Adam Hyzdu! :)

  384. Bob Hasis says:

    In that division Baltimore is in, Weiters years couldn’t have been a Utopia there getting banged around by Boston, NYY, Tampa Bay, and even the Blue Jays. He seemingly didn’t do much to improve Baltimore’s status, although he was better than – who was it that year – Moskos, that we drafted.

  385. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1

  386. Nate83 says:

    Nate was being sarcastic. Really need that font added.

  387. Jim S. says:

    That is a great memory. But, I guess that makes sense coming from someone who uses The Gunner as his handle.

    On the CD, Hughes says it was not really clear why Prince was fired. He said it was all speculation, but some possibilities were:

    * A Westinghouse higher up said he had gotten a swelled head.
    * He could be a lightning rod for controversy
    * He was too much of a story-teller, and they wanted him promoting the team more. I don’t really see the two things as mutually exclusive.
    * Money

    Waht do you recall as the real reason, Gunner?

  388. Arriba Wilver says:

    Baltimore was in the playoffs last year.

  389. JohninOshkosh says:

    Exactly. I’ll listen to the innovators and the creators like Nate Silver. They acknowledge the shortcomings and know when to qualify and quantify. Very enlightening. Much more skeptical of the cut and pasters, of which I am one!

    Look I rebuild engines as a hobby. But I can’t handle the new computer ones. If my wife’s car breaks down, I take it to someone who knows what they are talking about! I similarly defer to the Manels of the world when I seek analysis of the baseball math.

  390. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jack LaLanne absolutely juiced. I saw the infomercials.

  391. Nate83 says:

    I like Martin a lot but just think if we didn’t need to spend the 8 million on Barajas and then the 17 million on Martin this year. Seems like that would have been enough to get a better then average right fielder.

  392. Jim S. says:

    +++, Arriba.

  393. NMR says:

    Exactly. Kershaw is the only decent guy they produced for quite a while.

  394. Nate83 says:

    Moskos pitched one game in the majors for us. Not exactly a bust(insert happy face symbol here, and here)

  395. Jim S. says:

    I like David Manel.

  396. JohninOshkosh says:

    That whole Pat Hughes series is wonderful, Jim.

    Amazing the pull those announcers have. I swear when Bob Uecker’s time comes, he will lie in state at the State Capitol. He is that much beloved.

  397. Dom says:

    I saw he had an era near 5 in AAA. I believe he’ll be 28 at the start of next season so time is of the essence for him.

  398. Jim S. says:

    Arriba esta en fuego!

  399. Arriba Wilver says:

  400. Nate83 says:

    I know. I was just taking a shot at the Dodgers which are the new Yankees. Oddly enough the Yankees are going to actually run the team like a business now so there goes the luxury tax money unless the Dodgers now go over it.

  401. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    If you go back and read old Dodger blogs from 2010 when Lambo was suspended, he was apparently raking back then….so the quick climb to AA should not be a cause for concern.

    If there is anyone to blame for his stunted development, it’s Lambo….and a few ill-timed injuries. Being a baseball stud at 17 in So-Cal must be otherwordly….he hung on and has made it to the bigs. Give the young man a hand and hope that he’s finally reached his potential.

  402. NMR says:

    Did he really perform so well that there was no need for a run through the Cal League?

    Struck out over 21% of the time while barely posting an OPS over 800 in low-A. More importantly, maturity issues seemed to follow him from the start, at least reading old scouting reports.

    No way the Pirates would’ve had him skip Bradenton, for reference.

  403. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, the taste alone is enough to turn you away.

  404. Milo Hamilton says:

    Don’t forget the weed.

  405. NMR says:

    Haha, see, I gave you credit.

  406. Ghost says:

    I am late to this side-bar, but as I am one of the “non-denial denial” proponents along with Rick, I just want to add that it is not “illegal” to take HGH or testosterone supplementation as long as you have a physician prescribing it. And finding a willing physician is as easy cracking open the yellow pages.

    This is why I, personally, am particularly bothered by Pujols’ invocation of the term “illegal” (along with a few other peculiarities in his wording). It sort of reminds my of how Bill Clinton convinced himself he “did not have sex with that woman” because the particular act he engaged in might be construable to some as not real sex.

    Really hate picking apart Albert’s words like this. Really like Albert. But my gut — along with witnessing the past decade in baseball– tell me something is wrong.

  407. Jim S. says:

    Mine, too.

  408. Jim S. says:

    & Jim knew Nate was being sarcastic.

  409. NMR says:

    The Orioles will most likely be paying more for Weiters than the Pirates will for Martin.

    And certainly not enough of a difference to get an average right fielder.

  410. Sisyphus says:

    Good point about skipping high A. Still, AA pitching didn’t overwhelm him, he just never seemed to improve. His weed suspension and later wrist injury probably cost him a year of development between them.

  411. Nate83 says:

    Thanks for the info Redus. Hopefully for once we have a guy that works out that somebody else gave up on. We have had enough Snider, Sands, LaRoach, Clement results that we are do for something good. Jones was a nice find but he hasn’t been consistant. A few more would be nice.

    Was Lambo part of the Bay trade or did he come over with JMac?

  412. Sisyphus says:

    Came over with JMac in the Dotel deal.

  413. Jim S. says:

    I really like Uecker, too. Not so much for his polished announcing, but for how funny he is. No one can tell stories like Ueck these days.

  414. NMR says:

    Jmac, right after serving his 50 game suspension, right?

  415. Jim S. says:

    Hopefully, he invested well and these last 10 years will put him on a nice glide into retirement at 30.

  416. NMR says:

    Definitely agree with you there.

    I’m not trying to defend his choices, but the more you pick apart the individual seasons, the less it looks like he just plain sucks – as a guy who spend “six years in AA” usually does.

  417. Milo Hamilton says:

    When the Dodgers make the playoffs 17 of the next 18 years and win 5 World Series, then maybe you’ll have an apt comparison.

  418. Jim S. says:

    Well, there’s Jeanmar, Vin and GIJ.

  419. NMR says:

    That comment was more rhetorical than meant toward you.

    I’m sure you don’t need a history lesson on Lambo.

    Frankly, I confused him with that Bowker kid up until about two weeks ago.

  420. Nate83 says:

    Well he was the minimun until this year and cost 5.5 million this year. I’m going to guess he gets 7-8 million next year but who knows. So it would have saved 3.5 million last year and about 3 million over Martin. Probably not enough but it sure wouldn’t have hurt.

  421. cmat0829 says:

    i believe the sox (white) released him from AAA a month or so ago… no idea if he signed elsewhere.

  422. Jim S. says:

    I think there is no real way to project this guy with any confidence. He spent parts of 6 seasons in AA, which is not good. But, he also made it to AA at 19 and was not really in over his head, which is good. He didn’t get much better for several years, which is not good. Yet, he’s not all that old to be starting a MLB career and still be a decent player. And, he blasted 31 HR this year out of nowhere, which could or could not be good.

    I really don’t know what to make of Lambo – except that it was time he got a shot given what preceded him.

  423. The Gunner says:

    From what I heard, Prince never made more than $40,000 per year as the Voice of the Bucs so, I don’t think it was money. Ed Wallis, the head cheese at Westinghouse, thought Prince rambled too much & didn’t focus on the game enough. And, I can imagine, The Gunner was difficult to manage as he marched to his own beat. Wallis wanted a “yes man” and Prince was anything but a “yes man.”

    Ed Wallis did The Gunner dirty.

  424. Nate83 says:

    That is correct Jim. A lot of things have went well this year. I can’t agrue that Jeanmar and Vin have definately been important parts of this years team. I know Jeanmar was a really good prospect. I don’t know much about Vin and if he ever was regarded as a top prospect or blocked player.

  425. Jandy says:

    Gotta play him in the bigs to know if he has “it”

  426. Jim S. says:

    This is true. The Yankees have had the money to pursue and attain almost any free agent they wanted. But, I think it has to be said that their good decisions on free agents far outweighed the bad ones. And the players they developed over the last 20 years or so stack up with any team. Jeter, Mariano – HOF. Posada – in the discussion. Pettitte – Hall of Very Good.

    I’m no Yankees fan. But, facts are facts.

  427. Dom says:

    Andrew Lambo is not in the lineup tonight

  428. Bob Hasis says:

    Yeeesss AW I know. I was looking at the whole picture – you know, a little larger sample size (you get the drift)

  429. Jim S. says:

    Yup.

  430. Mike A. says:

    + 100000.

  431. Jim S. says:

    That’s what I expected. Clint thinks they need to sit and watch for at least a night when they first show up. I think that makes sense.

  432. Bob Hasis says:

    It’s amazing that some guys – you in particular – continually insist on sharpshooting, and purposefully ignore the intended and obvious gist of the message.

    Why reduce yourself to that?

  433. AJS says:

    I wouldn’t give him his first start vs Wainright either if I were CH. Maybe tomorrow against Kelly.

  434. Arriba Wilver says:

    What I recall being bandied about (since this is the day of rumors) is that some Westinghouse executives had wanted Prince to help entertain (at least show up) for some big clients. He said no, apparently not too diplomatically, and they got ticked and tossed him. There may have also been preceding incidents in the same light. Basically he had gotten too big for his britches for the suits.

    Later on, Prince kind of confirmed this and agreed with it, but I don’t know if he was trying to mend fences and get back in at the time. But he did seem to agree that he had gotten too big for his britches.

    Just my recollection, and certainly not justifying his termination.

  435. Jim S. says:

    I think Vin was a guy with a great arm who maybe just didn’t pitch as well as he could have until this year. Maybe a late bloomer, or maybe just having a career year. He’s been solid for the Bucs, as had Jeanmar. But, I get your initial point, Nate. Of the many problems over the last 20 years, many more of these situations have gone the other way on the Bucs (Bautista, for one).

  436. Jandy says:

    Yes, Wainright can be a real confidence killer.

  437. Jandy says:

    AW’s been hanging out with the Engineers these days ;)

  438. Dom says:

    Everyone is taking this better than I thought they would.

  439. Jandy says:

    I would stand by Ray Searage having a lot to do with these guys pitching better.

  440. pattonbb says:

    They’re all confidence killers, but I agree with you Jandy.

  441. Jandy says:

    You’re great at breaking the news, Dom :)

  442. Milo Hamilton says:

    All that & made wads of money in the process. I think that’s the definition of running a good business. Now watch what happens when they start to cut corners. Gotta spend it to make it. Especially when you have the advantages they do.

  443. Jim S. says:

    Thanks for the info, Gunner and Arriba.

    A shame it could not have been worked out. He was not even 60 when the Bucs let him go.

  444. Arriba Wilver says:

    +1

  445. Jandy says:

    Yup, limit the damage lol

  446. Milo Hamilton says:

    Because just about everybody that’s in there hits about .400 against Wainwright.

  447. Jim S. says:

    I agree on that, for sure. Some teams have no choice but to spend a lot of money – just like some teams have no ability to ever spend a lot of money. The Yankees will not be the Yankees if they go cheap.

  448. Arriba Wilver says:

    I saw something last week (from JAL’s links) from St. Louis that was criticizing Wainwright. He has given up 4 earned runs in 3 of his last 7 outings.

    He hasn’t been any Jeff Locke lately. :-)

    But definitely a dangerous pitcher.

  449. Arriba Wilver says:

    +2

  450. JohninOshkosh says:

    I have a pessimistic feeling about tonight’s game.

    Adam Wainwright has wanted to pitch in games like tonight since he was in utero.

  451. pattonbb says:

    Come on Milo, that’s a little bit of an exaggeration. Garrett Jones is only hitting .320 against him.

  452. NMR says:

    Because the “sharpshooting” usually targets a point that undermines the big picture message.

    It’s one thing to correct somebody that says a guy was hit by a car while wearing green when he was really wearing black.

    It’s a whole nother story when the guy was hit by a car at night while riding his bike and wearing black, not green.

  453. Dom says:

    Here is the full lineup:
    Marte
    Walker
    Cutch
    Pedro
    Martin
    Jones
    Tabata
    Mercer

  454. Sisyphus says:

    Tabata has an OPS in excess of 1.000 lifetime against Wainright, so between that and maybe wanting Lambo to watch a game and catch his breath, I’m not really surprised.

  455. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m very fact-based. And I guess I don’t get your “intended and obvious drift” a lot of times. But all I did was state a fact.

    I don’t see that as sharpshooting at all, Bob.

    Sorry if I offend you, but I love facts.

  456. Arriba Wilver says:

    I should have deferred to the engineer. :-)

  457. Nate83 says:

    I’m calling it. Pinch hit home run in the 8th inning.

  458. Nate83 says:

    What I like more about this line up then anything else is Marte playing. This is great news.

  459. Bob Hasis says:

    To NMR
    Thank you!!

  460. Nate83 says:

    Sometimes it feels like it’s sharpshooting but I’m OK with it because it often leads to some good debate and sometimes even learns me up a bit.

  461. Nate83 says:

    Two explanation points are not needed. Just a little sharpshootin. Just trying not to get rusty:)

  462. NMR says:

    Pitch selection.

    Only major improvement for both of them hasn’t been strikeout or walk rate, but ground ball percentage.

    Somebody went in and said you guys are gonna throw sinkers and sliders down in the zone and your defense is gonna gobble everything up. Pretty darn smart, if you ask me.

  463. Arriba Wilver says:

    You’re in rare form today, Nate. Kudos. :-)

  464. Nate83 says:

    But is it sustainable? Just kidding. Please do not actually answer that.

  465. Bob Hasis says:

    The larger and obvious fact is Baltimore has basically sucked in Weiters tenure there. Not necessarily his fault, but though way better of a draft pick than our guy, he hasn’t made the impact that changed Baltimore’s status.

    That was the entire point.

    Even if he averaged .325 a year, Baltimore sucked.

    When comedians must explain a joke, it (the joke) then is of no value. Same thing here, which probably was your intention

  466. Brandie says:

    If Mother Theresa was a rapper, maybe that would be her stage name?

  467. NMR says:

    @AW

    FWIW, I appreciate when you, Milo, Jim, and the others give me the same treatment.

    @Bob

    I apologize if I ever get too peculiar for your likes. I can understand that others may not appreciate it as much, and I should probably mind my own business way more than I currently do.

  468. Brandie says:

    Shall we nickname Pedro “”Pedroid” because you know that’s what the haters will say.

  469. NMR says:

    Hahahaha, BOOM.

    How many times did they manage to fit the words “regression” and “sustainable” into the article?

  470. pattonbb says:

    So was Paul Konerko.

    Morneau has been hot for two weeks.

  471. Brandie says:

    +1 for the Hyzdu reference.

  472. NMR says:

    Haha, touche, Nate.

  473. Arriba Wilver says:

    I have no idea what that last sentence means about my intention, but I’m movin’ on. I do agree with the sentence about comedians, though.

  474. NMR says:

    Obviously a PED user.

    Look at the rash of injuries and decline in production.

  475. Nate83 says:

    For what it is worth Bob, Wieters offensively isn’t exactly tearing it up the last 3 years. Batting averages of .262, .249 and .232. He probably contributes in other ways. His power numbers are good but a quick look doesn’t put him even close to the same level as Posey and Molina.

  476. Bob Hasis says:

    And BTW, it is not that you offend me, but you demean yourself by trying to make a snippy, petty little point (a fact).

  477. Brandie says:

    Hmmm! Should management go after either, both, or neither?

  478. Dom says:

    Here’s his numbers:
    2013: 14 HR, .262 BA, 67 RBI

  479. pattonbb says:

    I agree, those PED induced concussions take forever to get over.

  480. Milo Hamilton says:

    I once had a hole in one. It wasn’t sustainable.

  481. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is great fun isn’t it ? When can we add in accusing guys of cheating on their wives ?

  482. Arriba Wilver says:

    How is what I said about Baltimore snippy? It was relevant to the overall point you were making, even as explained.

    I’m glad you’re worried about me, Bob. (That was snippy)

  483. NMR says:

    ’tis better to have regressed than to have not sustained at all.

  484. Nate83 says:

    I”m going to make some popcorn because this could be really good(-:

  485. NMR says:

    JOURNALISM.

  486. pattonbb says:

    I talked to a guy that knows a guy……

  487. Kr70 says:

    Too close to roids

  488. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, you talked to Clarks “source”, too? ;)

  489. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sounds like Searage AND Martin.

  490. Bob Hasis says:

    More emp-hasis – as in Bob Hasis.

  491. Bob Hasis says:

    Or did you mean exclamation

  492. Bob Hasis says:

    Perhaps there wouldn’t be enough fingers to go around. I don’t know, I’m just sayin’

  493. John Lease says:

    Gene Lamont disagrees. I’ll never forget that idiot using Bronson Arroyo as a pinch hitter in his first game. Dude didn’t even have spikes, went up in his sneakers.

    I really didn’t like Gene Lamont, btw.

  494. Bob Hasis says:

    I’m emphatically grateful to NMR

  495. Bob Hasis says:

    So the NFL team reputed, if not actually, to have the best (as in #1) defense for the last 2 or 3 years is now only rated #17 by the four-letter sports station, in their Fantasy Rankings.
    Wow, how the mighty have fallen – or is that someone’s not so astute evaluation.

    Yes they rate the Steelers only 17th

  496. Bob Hasis says:

    Furthermore, Ben is one of only a handful of current QB’s to have won two SB’s, yet he is only ranked 14th if I recall correctly, while the other two-time SB winners are in the Top 7
    An amazing “fact”, say I.

  497. Bob Hasis says:

    Ely slipped to 15th; Ben is 13th.

 
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