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Final: Cardinals 6, Pirates 5, 12 innings

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (71-48) vs. St. Louis Cardinals (68-51)

Starters: RHP A.J. Burnett vs. RHP Lance Lynn

Time: 1:45 p.m.

Site: Busch Stadium, St. Louis

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Russell Martin, C
  6. Garrett Jones, 1B
  7. Andrew Lambo, RF
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Burnett, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Karen Price is on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total HOMERUNS Hit by the Pirates in today’s game
    Line is 1.5

    Line #2
    Total Combined STRIKEOUTS + WALKS Thrown by AJ Burnett in today’s game
    Line is 10.5

    Please Note – All games must be considered official games in order for line(s) to be valid. Any postponement, cancellation, or suspension of game(s) will void line(s).

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    71 Down, only 11 more to go!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM & BREAK .500

  2. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Also, just a head’s up, I’m going to be on the road this weekend.
    So lines will probably be posted many hours before the game start in other threads.
    I will need some kind helpers to re-post them for me.
    Thanks in advance.

    – The Window

  3. JohninOshkosh says:

    Line 1 50/Under
    Line 2 50/Under

    Safe travels and fair weather to you.

  4. DormontGeorge says:

    I’ll take 100 on the under for line 1.
    100 on the over for line 2.

    First time playing…wish me luck!

  5. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  6. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thank you sir!

  7. Beth Soblesky says:

    Hoping the “Batman” can keep the streak alive!

    DK: Welcome to our forum, Beth!

  8. Karen22 says:

    50 each on the UNDER, Mr. Playoffs!

    Let’s TAKE this series, since we already should have!

  9. BDHumbert says:

    OK – I am feeling bold

    100 on the OVER on both!

    One of the homers comes from Lambo!

  10. TCB says:

    #1 – 75 under
    #2 – 75 under

  11. Bill Born says:

    100 on each
    Line 1 under

    Line 2 over
    Thank you

    Travel safely, PLEASE

  12. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I shall. Thank you!

  13. blazer says:

    I’ll take the under on both lines today for 100 each please.

  14. cosmo says:

    100 leaping Lambo’s on the under on both lines.

    Thanks, have a good trip

  15. Bizrow says:

    100 on the over for both lines

    Thanks Playoffs

  16. cmat0829 says:

    Good lines, Playoffs, and have a fun weekend….

    Let’s go over on both lines for 100.

  17. Joey Mellons says:

    100 and under on both lines. Thanks.

  18. The Gunner says:

    Line #1 – 100 over
    Line #2 – 100 under

    AJ will continue what Liriano started last night / Daydro & Curly Lambo will go deep!! Let’s strap it on ‘em, Buccos!

  19. pattonbb says:

    Line 1 – 100 UNDER
    Line 2 – 100 OVER

  20. Arriba Wilver says:

    Line 1—50 on the OVER

    Line 2—100 on the UNDER

    Have a safe trip.

  21. Frankie says:

    Line 1 under

    Line 2 over

    100 each

  22. Drew71 says:

    I just had to run down the hallway and boy were my eyeballs bouncing.

  23. JMB says:

    Line #1
    Total HOMERUNS Hit by the Pirates in today’s game
    Line is 1.5

    100 OVER

    Line #2
    Total Combined STRIKEOUTS + WALKS Thrown by AJ Burnett in today’s game
    Line is 10.5

    100 OVER


  24. Jandy says:

    Did ya make it to the bathroom????

  25. 21sthebest says:

    Full instant replay accepted for 2014 except for calls on the strike zone.

    The replay will include up to three challenges that managers will be provided during a game, one in the first six innings, and two beginning in the seventh inning through the game’s duration. If a manager is successful with his replay challenge, he will not be charged with a review.

    If a manager exhausts his three challenges, and umpire crew can make a review of its own only to determine home-run calls, a rule that will be grandfathered in with the new regulations.

    Baseball, using its central MLBAM offices in New York, will be provided with replay cameras that will be monitored by men with umpiring experience. They will make the final call on disputed plays, not the crew chief.

  26. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wow! Should be interesting.

  27. 21sthebest says:

    What happens to your eyeballs when you’re on a trampoline?

  28. Jandy says:

    Very interesting. I like it.

  29. Nate83 says:

    line 1 – 50 on the under
    line 2 – 75 on the under

  30. Lad9 says:

    Line 1 – under
    Line 2 – over

    Both for 100. Thank you to the window and have a great trip. Go Buccos!!

  31. 21sthebest says:

    I’m in favor of getting rid of the umps altogether when the technology is available, if it isn’t already. But I’m not a big fan of this.

  32. Jandy says:

    Mr. Playoffs, I’d like to wager 100 trolls on the under for BOTH lines.
    Enjoy the vacation, safe travels :)

  33. Dadtackular says:

    line 1 100 prozac on the under
    line 2 100 prozac on the under

  34. Jandy says:

    Newbies and lurkers….we want to chat with you!
    If you post your hometown, Bizrow will add it to the list of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum.
    Don’t be shy, we don’t bite! :)

  35. Jandy says:

    Sit right down and pull up a chair, Beth :)

  36. Jandy says:

    + for the prozacs lol

  37. Bob Hasis says:

    It’s obvious you never chased a flyball

  38. Jandy says:

    Try it, and let us know when you find out, 21 :)

  39. Jandy says:

    Bob, when I run, A LOT of things bounce…fly ball or no !

  40. Jason81 says:

    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER

    Line 2 – 100 on the OVER

  41. John Lease says:

    I’d love an electronic ump to call balls and strikes. And I’m sure there has to be the technology to do it.

  42. The Gunner says:

    Scott Township, Jandy!

  43. Jandy says:

    Thanks, Gunner!! Biz, ya got that?

  44. 21sthebest says:

    I always wondered what happened to Morganna.

  45. 21sthebest says:

    I should have added that everyone still needs to approve but it sounds like they’re all on board.

  46. radio wave says:

    Playoffs: I will take 100 on the under four line one. I will take 100 on the over for line 2.

  47. Jandy says:

    woah! lol
    The Kissing Nun…who’da thunk it?

  48. 21sthebest says:

    :-) I’d break something.

  49. Lad9 says:

    :) + Many

  50. Playoffs by 2012 says:

  51. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thank you, godfather.

  52. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks, I’m gonna try!

  53. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks, I appreciate that, Laddie!

  54. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thank you Mother T.
    I shall try my best!

  55. Jandy says:

    Nice serenade for Beth…love that song.

  56. Baywatch says:

    Gang! THIS is the day Lambo really gets FREE!

  57. Jandy says:

    I don’t wanna know what! lol

  58. Jandy says:

    I hope so!

  59. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I’m waiting for the day we get an Eileen or a Sharona in here.

  60. Drew71 says:

    I think Bob just busted my eyeballs.

  61. Games will now last a minimum of 6 hours, like NFL games.


  62. My wife’s name is Elaine, but she gets called Eileen a lot. Will that do?


  63. Irish says:

    50 on Under for Line 1
    50 on Under for Line 2
    I still think we win today, though.
    Let’s Go Bucs!

  64. steelercrazy says:

    Line #1 – 100 under sir!

  65. Milo Hamilton says:

    How idiotic.

  66. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    She’ll have to login and make a post first…

  67. Stickyweb says:

    Not the brightest bulb.

  68. Karen22 says:

    LIKE! ANY improvement on getting calls right.

  69. Kevin says:

    what.. that marte lead off with a double and we couldn’t score him yet again… or that he tried stealing 3rd on a 3-1 count and got caught.

  70. Milo Hamilton says:

    That he tried stealing 3rd with 2 outs. Stupid.

  71. Arriba Wilver says:

    They could use that robot from Craig Ferguson’s late show to sit behind the plate.

  72. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice to see that they’re in the game mentally. Three mental errors in the first 5 batters.

  73. Stickyweb says:

    So if all 6 challenges are used, which will probably happen in about 10 – 20% of the games, you’re saying they’re each going to take 30 minutes to resolve. Yes, games will be longer, but if a call is important enough to challenge, getting it right will be worth the extra 3 – 5 minutes per challenge. Just one man’s opinion.

  74. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pop up behind the plate to the catcher, Molina. Did not use two hands, even with his catcher’s mitt.

    Hot dogging it.

  75. Patrick(ri) says:

    The baseball IQ of this team is scary. But they keep going.

  76. tdb1977 says:

    Yup. It will become unbearable to watch as just about every play will be checked on. Stupid if you ask me.

  77. Stickyweb says:

    Not scoring him is just baseball, getting caught stealing 3rd with 2 outs is a benchable offense.

  78. Kevin says:

    No harm… hopefully it wakes em up a bit.

  79. Arriba Wilver says:

    Clint may sit him next game. smh

  80. JohninOshkosh says:

    I like the centralization in NYC. I think the umps should have more discretion to have a play reviewed, instead of just limiting it to home run calls after the managers have exhausted challenges.

  81. That will be a cold day in the underworld, my friend.

  82. Bizrow says:

    + a ton

  83. Tom P. says:

    Through 2 innings, the Pirates have hit one ball in fair territory, Marte’s leadoff double. Since then, there have been three strikeouts, two foul outs and a caught stealing (plus a walk).

  84. Bizrow says:

    Yup, but my comments are awaiting moderation????

  85. theplanisworking says:

    Do they bounce like your camel?? ;)

  86. tdb1977 says:

    Hmmm…wonder what I did to have my comment await moderation? Have I been sent to sit on the bench because I didn’t catch the ball with two hands?

  87. Arriba Wilver says:

    Did Drew’s eyeballs break the blog?

  88. theplanisworking says:

    Yes you do bite !!!! ;)

  89. Sisyphus says:

    Interesting, but another step along the road to four hour games.

  90. theplanisworking says:

    Yes you do bite !!! ;)

  91. pattonbb says:

    At least he didn’t foul one off of his face.

  92. Lad9 says:

    Especially with a left handed batter up…

  93. Reading says:

    Cards fan eating a corndog. Who are the corndog eaters now?

  94. Chuck H says:

    Maybe this is the game where stupid is playing all positions!!!

  95. theplanisworking says:

    Love day baseball games!

    Hopefully we get to go to the Toledo Zoo today !!

  96. theplanisworking says:

    Did I break the blog?

    All my comments say “waiting moderation”.

  97. Kevin says:

    Your comment is awaiting moderation!

    DK: No idea, guys. Suddenly found a clog of 26 comments needing moderation. Cleared them all as quickly as I could. I’ll keep an eye on it.

  98. Arriba Wilver says:

    I can see yours about day games, plan, but mine show “awaiting moderation.”

  99. NMR says:

    5 K’s in three innings against a defense featuring Holliday, Descalso, Adams, and Craig on the same field at the same time.

    Brilliant baseball, gentlemen.

  100. NMR says:

    Yeah, since managers wadling out on the field every game to argue calls has the current state of affairs moving at a blistering pace.

  101. theplanisworking says:

    AW, its the pitchfork and torch crowd gaining revenge on us! ;)

  102. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Yankess are throwing their stopper today, Phil Hughes. Unlike Liriano however, he stops their winning streaks.

  103. Thundercrack says:

    That is the Post of the Month.

    And we’ve had a lot good ones to nominate

  104. Jandy says:

    better ;)

  105. Nate83 says:

    AJ pitch count very good. Lynn is getting up there. Hopefully that trend continues and we keep Lynn working hard to get him out of there after 6 innings or so.

  106. Jandy says:

    and he did a fine job of it, too LOL

  107. Nate83 says:

    LOL. We use to have 5 guys like that. We just didn’t know because we rarely had winning streaks.

  108. tdb1977 says:

    *blink blink* Pedro with an infield single to second and was safe?

  109. Jandy says:

    you’re here now, Biz…

  110. Jandy says:

    nah I just nibble lol

  111. Jandy says:

    You don’t think he was told to go?

  112. Nate83 says:

    Pedro worked hard this off season improving his overall athletic ability. Kudos to him. It seems to be paying of on plays like that.

  113. Jandy says:


  114. theplanisworking says:


  115. Jandy says:

    seconded lol

  116. Arriba Wilver says:


  117. cmat0829 says:

    nice pitching by AJ there… guess the Cards couldn’t hit any 4 bouncers in the hole with RISP that inning.

  118. Jandy says:

    I guess we’re not the only ones eh?

  119. Jandy says:

    I know Pedro makes his share of errors, but you can tell he’s trying harder and yes, you can tell he’s improved overall. Nice to give him credit.

  120. JD says:

    Waddling. Good one.

  121. cmat0829 says:

    we are the worst… but I can’t believe Allen Craig can hit .489 with RISP… it is unfathomable…..

  122. cmat0829 says:

    LAMBO!!! cue John Sterling… “Lambo LAMBASTES it off the wall… the Bucs lead 1-0″

  123. Milo Hamilton says:

    Let em fly punsters.

  124. SeanAY says:

    What did I say this morning? Lambo’s the man!

  125. Bizrow says:

    Welcome to the Show, Mr. Lambo

  126. Lad9 says:


  127. cmat0829 says:


  128. SJB says:

    LAMBO…First Blood.

  129. cmat0829 says:

    dont tell Bob Hasis

  130. theplanisworking says:

    Lambo makes mutton out of Lynn!!

    1-0 good guys!

  131. Bizrow says:

    Now Barmes??

    Cool Beans

  132. Arriba Wilver says:


  133. Stickyweb says:

    Lambo drew first blood, huh?

  134. SeanAY says:

    Just call Lance Lynn “Murdock.”

  135. Lad9 says:

    Wow. A Barmes bomb. Glad I am listening on the radio, because I may not have believed it if I saw it. Way to go Clint!

  136. Jandy says:

    Lalala Bambino….gets his first major league double…then Barmes of all people homers…it’s a good day for the Pirates…and yes, someone PLEASE tell Mr. Bob Hasis :)

  137. Milo Hamilton says:

    Our shortstops are out homering the entire Cardinals team this series.

  138. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yeah, strikeouts run up the pitch count. :-)

  139. theplanisworking says:

    First Lambo, now Barmes.
    The apocalypse is upon us !!

    3-0 good guys.

  140. Jandy says:

    Ha all I have is the feed from Dejan’s game feed….I have nothing to see or hear lol
    Glad to see all the excitement here, it helps :)

  141. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’d call him The Lambino. Just like The Giambino. Listening right now. Suffering through Phil Hughes.

  142. cmat0829 says:

    LAMBO-ADA! The forbidden dance around the bases!

  143. Jandy says:


  144. Arriba Wilver says:

    I gotta admit, When I bet the over on the homers, I didn’t really have Barmes in mind. :-)

  145. cmat0829 says:


  146. Kevin says:

    Lambino and Barmes… sounds like a clothing store.

  147. Patrick(ri) says:

    This keeps up I will have to move my fridge-for-beer runs to the opponent’s bottom of the order. Great to see!

  148. cmat0829 says:

    Seriously not intimidated by any of the Cards pitchers at this point… Wainright, Lynn, Miller… and we know Westbrook is pretty much Kip Wells in a Cardinal uniform.

  149. Thundercrack says:

    You should be glad isn’t announcing the radio. You still might not be sure if it was gone or just to the warning track.

  150. Tom P. says:

    The Pirates have hit for the cycle in 1/3 of an inning.

  151. Kevin says:

    Ha! Marte’s gonna hit for the cycle today! (probably minus the HR :\… but still awesome)

  152. Kevin says:

    woot sac fly.. pile it on buccos!

  153. Jandy says:

    I guess that dropped ball triggered a hitting spree for Marte :)

  154. Lad9 says:

    Awesome description of Westbrook…..

  155. Tom P. says:

    And now a sacrifice fly, too.

  156. Jandy says:

    Wow, miracles never cease!

  157. JohninOshkosh says:

    The Redbirds radio team could not be more complimentary of the Pirates.

    Said people should not hang their hats on another collapse. “They arn’t going anywhere.”

    Called Molina and Russell the best two catchers in baseball.

    I picture Buster kicking at the dirt somewhere with his head down.

  158. cmat0829 says:

    i think he was waiting for fair or foul, to be honest… I too was wondering that based on the camera angle… but Barmes knew it was gone from contact.

  159. theplanisworking says:

    Well, you ARE a nun!!! :D

  160. JohninOshkosh says:

    Matt Adams doesn’t miss many meals.

  161. Bizrow says:

    I got a tweet that Marte didn’t hustle on his triple?

    Was that a joke or the truth?

  162. Patrick(ri) says:

    Or fastballs.

  163. SJB says:

    Lynn yanked this inning for a bat?

  164. JohninOshkosh says:

    Delmon Young DFA’d by Philadelphia. Anyone interested ?

  165. Bizrow says:

    Lets hope we don’t get to him ;-)

  166. Milo Hamilton says:

    Another meltdown inning for Burnett after they take the lead ?

  167. Bizrow says:

    OOPS, nevermind

  168. theplanisworking says:

    or a bad Middle Eastern restaurant.

  169. Lad9 says:

    Wouldn’t take him under any circumstances.

  170. JohninOshkosh says:

    Redbirds coming back, now 4-2

  171. Jandy says:

    OK AJ settle down. NOW.

  172. SteelAg70 says:

    C’mon AJ dang…..

  173. JohninOshkosh says:

    Nothing good comes from bunts. lol.


  174. Milo Hamilton says:

    If that’s DK you’re talking about, he’s just having fun with the haters. He had to hustle to get to 3rd.

  175. Patrick(ri) says:

    I have been impressed by Carpenter’s swing — ver smooth. And effectve.

  176. Milo Hamilton says:

    AJ coming up very small. Again.

  177. JohninOshkosh says:

    You called it. That triple was blasted into the corner.

  178. Jandy says:


  179. Dom says:


  180. Patrick(ri) says:

    I was hoping to jinx him, alas.

  181. cmat0829 says:

    AJ’s location this inning has been poor. Adams soft-served his single to left (how that much mass can result in a bloop the other way is a miracle of science)… but the rest of the hits have been on pitches in very hittable locations.

  182. Kevin says:

    I think each team should only get one challenge. If they are right, they get another challenge. 3+1 is too much. Is there really more than one game changing call per game? IMO, it happens even less than that… maybe 1 call per week thats questionable.

  183. cmat0829 says:

    he’s not the ace, at this point I’m hoping he is better than Charlie!

  184. SJB says:

    Carpenter…Pirates killer.

  185. SteelAg70 says:

    I hope AJ is healthy….

  186. Bizrow says:


  187. JohninOshkosh says:


  188. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice shutdown inning.

  189. cmat0829 says:

    time for a double play by the inflexible wonder, Matt Holliday.

  190. JohninOshkosh says:

    Hit parade.

  191. Jandy says:

    double crap

  192. SJB says:

    Looks like AJ will get the hook before Lynn.

  193. theplanisworking says:

    Get. Him. Out.


  194. SteelAg70 says:

    This is ridiculous…Burnett needs to get his head out of his butt…

  195. Reading says:

    WTH’s GOING ON OUT THERE????? COME ON MAN!!!!!!!!!!

  196. Jandy says:

    Not good.

    All these hits are going Lambo’s way…is he playing them well? I can’t view the game, just going off the feed Dejan posts.

  197. Patrick(ri) says:

    Uh, Clint. Are you watching, or do you want to let him give up 10? Finally, he pulls him.

  198. florida steeler says:

    is Clint afraid to take this guy out of a game because he will get mad??

  199. JohninOshkosh says:

    You might be onto something. I wonder if his arm is OK.

  200. SJB says:

    At this rate, Lynn will bunt for the next out.

  201. SteelAg70 says:

    You really have to wonder if AJ is healthy…

  202. NMR says:

    Love that kid. Swing reminds me of Utley.

  203. cmat0829 says:

    Very, very poor performance by AJ. When he gets a 4-run lead with the bottom of the order coming up he has to put up a 0. Or at the very least keep it at the 2 runs scored before the bunt.

    His location was pathetically bad. He couldn’t get them to chase his K pitch so he ended up throwing them some cookies.

  204. SJB says:

    Physically, or in the head?

  205. Nate83 says:

    What’s the final damage? Are the Cards now leading? I’m at work and have no way of seeing a box score.

  206. theplanisworking says:

    Hurdle AGAIN lets a pitcher in too long.

    That is so frustrating. Best pen in baseball, yet not used correctly in middle innings.


  207. SJB says:

    Pitch to contact, that’s the way CH likes it. ;)

  208. PirateFaninGA says:

    It’s not AJ’s year overall. The guy pitches some gems but offense gives him no support. Give him 4 runs in rubber game of huge set and he gets lit up.

    I really thought he was going 8 especially after the 4 runs, but now it’s the Bucs pen that is going to be raided first.

    It’s just one game, but not a good time for him to fall apart like that.

  209. JohninOshkosh says:

    What pitchers have passed through waivers ? Never mind the extra bat. SMH.

  210. SJB says:

    Hopefully Mazarro doesn’t do his July 4th impression.

  211. cmat0829 says:

    nothing Lambo has done wrong today… didn’t play the carom too well on Freese’s double but caused no harm.

  212. JohninOshkosh says:

    5-4, St.L, Nate. End of 5.

  213. cmat0829 says:

    5-4 Cards after 5. Alvarez/Martin/Jones due up.

  214. SteelAg70 says:

    It’s actually two starts in a row like this for him….

  215. Dom says:


    We’re going to lose!

  216. SteelAg70 says:

    Does Lambo have a target on him today?

  217. florida steeler says:

    5-4 Cards and Clint watched and chewed his Double Bubble.

  218. NMR says:

    You guys have got to be kidding me.

    It’s gonna be a long six weeks if this is the reaction to two bad starts.

  219. Nate83 says:

    thanks. that makes me sad

  220. cmat0829 says:

    are you serious? We are now advocating for CH to use the bullpen in the FIFTH INNING? Come on, this blog is entertaining but ….

  221. Tom P. says:

    Deep breath maybe. After all of that, Pirates only down 1.

  222. florida steeler says:

    What is his record?? And, don’t give me his ERA

  223. Nate83 says:

    Yes, deep breath. Verlander gave up 9 earlier this year. Pitchers have bad outings. It happens. Sometimes two starts in a row.

  224. Jandy says:

    we’re talkin AJ, not JMac

  225. cmat0829 says:

    Ought to be a crime for parents to give a kid the name “Lance Lynn”. ugh.

  226. Dom says:

    We stink!

  227. SeanAY says:

    Yeah, the amount of runs he gives up doesn’t matter!

  228. cmat0829 says:

    Me thinks some of the asylum don’t have “slow heartbeats”. Worry about them down the stretch.

  229. theplanisworking says:

    When you see a pitcher in trouble, you dont let it blow up.

    A managers job is to use pitchers accordingly all 9 innings.
    If that means you use the pen in the 5th, so be it.

    I hope that isnt too much to understand.
    Hurdle has let pitchers in too long many times this year.

  230. Jandy says:

    martin with a single.

  231. SteelAg70 says:

    Can anyone see if AJ is throwing a fit? lol

  232. PirateFaninGA says:

    To your point about two starts in a row….bad 6th and then bad 5th…it would appear on the surface to be in his head or mechanical. I don’t believe he could be so dominant for a few innings if unhealthy.

    I’m not watching but by the tracker a lot of those hits were going the other way or up the middle. Imagine that a team that sits back and hits pitches where your supposed to instead of trying to pull 95mph fastballs.

    The unfortunate part is that Martin couldn’t get him out of it either time. He is AJ’s catcher for a reason….keep him out of blow up innings. But I guess there is only so much he can do.

  233. NMR says:

    They have the internet way back in the year 1933?

  234. Nate83 says:

    That is the worse beginning to a debate I have ever seen. Wins is the worse possible stat for judging how good a pitcher is. Maybe you shuold have said you didn’t want to see any of his stats except his record. That is the only way you could possible prove that AJ is not an asset to this team.

  235. cmat0829 says:

    nope. If I were running the Tigers, that bum would be in AAA the moment after a start like that.

  236. Tom P. says:

    Although I did not expect Burnett to do his best James MacDonald imitation right there.

  237. SJB says:

    Maybe our “ace” pitcher can talk to him.

  238. Jandy says:

    yeah well, look who you’re dealing with, Nate. Doom and gloom himself.

  239. Jandy says:

    who cares if he is? lol

  240. cmat0829 says:

    Guys, we have to also give some credit to the Cardinals, who are a very very good hitting team. It isn’t like AJ is the only pitcher to have an inning like that against them… when they get rolling, they get rolling.

    to be fair to AJ, he did battle some long counts vs. Carpenter and Jay and kept pumping good pitches in..but when he made the eventual mistake, they pounded it. Great hitting.

    Hardly a reason to extrapolate this any further, folks.

  241. SteelAg70 says:

    Wow…and now we get Gaby the rest of the day…

  242. cmat0829 says:

    Another rotten umpire.

  243. Kevin says:

    *sigh* my mlb gamecast must be broken… just gave a called strike a foot out the zone.. what the hell it did it again. poor gabby.

  244. JohninOshkosh says:

    Sanchez phing for Jones against LHP Stan Freeman. Martin at first with one out. Went to 3-0 and then 2 ridiculous strike calls. On full count, Sanchez flies to leftfielder Craig. Two outs.

  245. Nate83 says:

    A little perspective needed right now. The Cardinals which are a very good team with a very good pitching staff just gave the pirates a 4 spot with the bottom of our order hitting. We just did the same thing with the bottom of their order hitting. That’s baseball. Lynn and Burnett do not stink. The Pirates and the Cardinals do not stink. We are playing a very good team on the road and have a chance to take 2 out of 3. It’s not game 7 of a series. They get to play again tomorrow and then again the next day.

  246. cmat0829 says:

    Craig slides to catch a ball in standard right field position. Cards defense is really really poor.

  247. JohninOshkosh says:

    I will try P by P for all you working. Just like the old days on the blog across the river.

    Taabby batting with two outs against Freeman.

  248. SteelAg70 says:

    And cue Tabata for Lambo…ugghhh

  249. theplanisworking says:

    Do I need to calls the grandmas to make more hot chocolate for the ledge-walkers?? ;)

  250. cmat0829 says:

    called same pitch a ball to Tabby that he called strikes to Gaby. At least he’s consistent. NOT.

  251. Jandy says:

    looks like it lol

  252. SJB says:

    Don’t you know? It’s called all the Bud Light you can drink in the Lexus Club after the game. The Umps know the deal.

  253. SteelAg70 says:

    AJ needs to get his head on straight though…back to back poor outings…

  254. theplanisworking says:

    This ump stinks.
    I eagerly await him to call pitches 3 feet outside strikes for us too.

  255. JohninOshkosh says:

    Rightie Tabata vs lefty Freeman.

  256. NMR says:

    This Cardinals lineup is really in trouble with their lack of power.

  257. SJB says:

    Maybe the Cards won’t keep raping RF now.

  258. JohninOshkosh says:

    Tabata pops up, Carpenter can’t make the tough play in foul territory.

  259. cmat0829 says:

    power is overrated but maintaining .389 with RISP isn’t in the, ahem, Cards. Playoff baseball will be tighter with better pitching and that’s when power comes in handy

  260. SJB says:

    Agreed, I bet they wish they had Barmes. ;)

  261. JohninOshkosh says:

    Tabata rips a double to left center. Martin holds at third as ball does not get to wall. Runners at 2 and 3. Pitching change for StL.

  262. Naje says:

    Tabata is THE WORST EVER.


  263. Naje says:

    I mean, Barmes SHOULD GIVE ST. LOUIS TWO RUNS just for showing up on the field.

  264. Jandy says:

    speak of the devil, look who’s up ;)

  265. cmat0829 says:

    Perspective? Who’s that? Does he have more than 10 HRs in Single A and play RF? #FREEPERSPECTIVE.

  266. PirateFaninGA says:

    Your point is solid, but what just occurred is frustrating for two reasons….

    1. We were swept in Colorado…I could have lived with only taking 1 of 3 in St. Louis if that didn’t happen

    2. No one likes to see a big inning occur, but especially after the offense finally comes throw.

    But once again, you did have to give the Cards credit…like i mentioned in another post….lots of hits up the middle and the opposite way. If only someone we teach that to Pirates hitters not named Cutch.

  267. cmat0829 says:

    what was Leyva doing holding Martin up at 3rd? boy he sucks (for non trolls I am using sarcasm)

  268. JohninOshkosh says:

    LHP Seth Maness to face Clint Barmes…

  269. Kevin says:

    come on Barmes… go crazy… go 3-for-3..

  270. Dom says:

    Worst ever, eh?

  271. Kevin says:

    we need a lil less stupid and some more insane please!

  272. cmat0829 says:

    Holliday did a good job of picking the ball up once it stopped rolling

  273. Thundercrack says:

    This seems to totally fly in the face of earlier discussions of “the bullpen is tired / their arms are gong to fall off”

  274. SJB says:

    Getting my winter coat out for this.

  275. Dom says:

    Barmes is up? Anyone but Barmes!

  276. JohninOshkosh says:

    Rare for Maness to come up in this situation. Barmes strikes out Pirates strand 2 at 2 and 3

    5-4 Cardinals

  277. SteelAg70 says:

    Another wasted opportunity….

  278. Kevin says:

    is it me or is the strike zone a foot wider today? (*curses ump under breath*)

  279. cmat0829 says:

    Maness is a RHP. Matheny LaRussa’d that inning, a bit early in my view, but c’est la vie. Barmes K’s on the outside the strikezone pitch that the crappy ump has called a strike all game long… too bad.

  280. SJB says:

    Relax, Coulda been Pedro.

  281. JohninOshkosh says:

    We move to the home half of the sixth.

    Partly sunny and cool 74 degrees at Busch Stadium, St. Louis, Missouri

  282. SJB says:

    Yup, It’s landscape instead of portrait.

  283. JohninOshkosh says:

    Vin Mazzaro vs. Matt Adams

    Adams flies to Marte in left.

  284. JohninOshkosh says:

    Freese grounds out. 2 outs

  285. cmat0829 says:

    what in the name of danny espinosa has happened to david freeze? He is really have a poor year at the plate… I thought he was going to be really really good, and he’s just ‘eh’ at this point.

  286. Milo Hamilton says:

    You really make it easy for the other manager when you treat the 6th inning like the 9th & pinch hit for everyone in sight.

  287. SteelAg70 says:

    Way to settle things down Vin……good job…

  288. cmat0829 says:

    and after the atbat, Adams scarfed two brats and a bucket of cole slaw.

  289. SteelAg70 says:

    Thinking the same thing Milo….now Jones is gone for the rest of the game…

  290. cmat0829 says:

    yep, but larussa, er matheny took the bait and used two bullpen guys early also. I would’ve preferred Jones stay in the game but have no issue with Tabby for Lambo.

  291. Kevin says:

    wrong, they didn’t pinch hit for Barmes :D

  292. JohninOshkosh says:

    Daniel Descalso batting.. rightie vs leftie. Draws the walk.

  293. Tj says:

    Nothing like blowing a 4 run lead. Only positive right now is Lynn is out of the game.

    Lets see what this team is made of.

    And regardless of opinions on Morneau… What could he hurt?

  294. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pitcher batting and hits a single to center. Runners at 1 and 2

    First career MLB hit

  295. JohninOshkosh says:

    Dangerous Matt Carpenter…

  296. Milo Hamilton says:

    What bait ? Looking forward to Gaby & Tabata against Rosenthal & Mujica in the 8th & 9th ?

  297. cmat0829 says:

    got to say, that pitch just now to Carpenter (called ball 1) was in the same spot that was called strikes when the Bucs were batting.

  298. JohninOshkosh says:


  299. SteelAg70 says:

    I think I jinxed Mazzarro…ugghh…

  300. Kevin says:

    yes, that pesky matt carpenter…

  301. cmat0829 says:

    Again, I preferred Jones to stay. I actually prefer Tabby at this point to Lambo (bracing for stones)

  302. cmat0829 says:

    A TWO HANDED CATCH BY MARTE. discuss. I mean, please no, don’t discuss.

  303. JohninOshkosh says:

    …flies right to Marte and the Cardinals strand two! 5-4 St.L. onto the 7th

  304. SJB says:

    Catcher has to know how to sell it.

  305. Stickyweb says:

    Sheesh, even their relief pitchers can hit with guys on base

  306. NMR says:

    Haha, I’m gonna use that.

  307. JohninOshkosh says:

    Top of the 7th 76 degrees on my couch in Oshkosh, Wisconsin.

    Kozma at ss now. Harrison phing for Mazzaro

  308. Dom says:

    I’m in favor of it.

  309. JohninOshkosh says:

    Harrison rips a double. Briefly overruns second. Might have had a triple but why chance it ?

  310. Milo Hamilton says:

    WHY ?

  311. cmat0829 says:

    CRAIG is an outstanding RFer isn’t he?

    HeyHey JayHEY with a leadoff DB….could’ve had but you never know where the throw is going to go.

  312. JohninOshkosh says:

    Marte sacrifices Harrison to third One out

  313. Dom says:

    Actress Lisa Robin Kelly who played Eric’s older sister on That’s 70’s Show last night.

  314. Stickyweb says:

    What’s it gonna be for Marte here, single or HR?

  315. JohninOshkosh says:

    The bunt ?

  316. Dom says:

    Sorry, I meant to say she died last night.

  317. Patrick(ri) says:

    Taking the statistically wrong choice. Go for the old tie on the road?.??

  318. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yes. He’s only one of your best hitters.

  319. theplanisworking says:

    You are right.

    I never bought in to the “arms falling off theory”.

    I just want to see Clint use the pitchers correctly.

    If a pitcher is doing well, dont replace him.
    If a pitcher isnt doing well, replace him.
    Just basic managing.

  320. JohninOshkosh says:

    Walker batting left. Grounds to first. Harrison running on contact is caught bn 3 and home. Run down and Walker gets to second during run down

  321. Stickyweb says:

    Doesn’t Hurdle know that the cycle doesn’t include a sacrifice? What’s he trying to do, win the game or something?

  322. SteelAg70 says:


  323. JohninOshkosh says:

    Infield was in, obviously.

    Cutch gets the freebie to first.

  324. Milo Hamilton says:

    The reason he can use Choate right here is because he doesn’t have to worry about saving him for Jones and Lambo.

  325. Patrick(ri) says:

    Now, CH can use one of best right handed hitters. Oops . . .

  326. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wow. She had drug issues, I think.

  327. Brandie says:

    Afternoon Planet Hippo! Just finished working 10 hours. No time to post. This is the first break I have gotten.

  328. Stickyweb says:

    It’s certainly not by the book, but it’s also only the 6th inning. Maybe Hurdle trusts his bullpen and his offense against the Cards pen.

  329. Dom says:

    Yep, Died in rehab.

  330. Milo Hamilton says:

    Like I said earlier. Makes it real easy to manage. Just push the buttons.

  331. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Brandimal.

    Go get some rest if you can.

  332. Kevin says:

    if we could ever use a clutch hit by a power hitter… right now would be fantastic.

  333. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pitching change for the Redbirds. Walker at second. Cutch at first. Two outs. LHP Randy Choate pitching against Alvarez.

  334. Stickyweb says:

    Oops 7th inning. I hate following online.

  335. JohninOshkosh says:

    Molina call time. Visits mound. Uh oh. He knows pitching !

  336. SteelAg70 says:


  337. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pete works the count to 3-2. Sidewinder delivery. Strikes Pedro out for second time today.

  338. Milo Hamilton says:

    Having one of your best hitters bunt a guy to 3rd as the tying run on the road in the 7th inning is ______.

  339. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pirates leave two. We go to the stretch with StL leading 5-4.

  340. SteelAg70 says:

    Wasted inning…AGAIN….

  341. JohninOshkosh says:

    Agreed. Despise the bunt especially in that sit.

  342. Patrick(ri) says:

    Such a dilemna. The guy is a beast, but boy is he lousy in this situation. Time and again. But what Mgr. has the nerve to pinch hit for the HR leader?

  343. Brandie says:

    Will rest later. Trying to catch up on everything!

  344. SteelAg70 says:


  345. irishjim says:

    Not smart baseball. Seems to be Hurdle’s m.o.

  346. florida steeler says:

    Pedro did the usual. Unbelievable.

  347. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Agree. Already in scoring position, base hit he scores. On the flip side, runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs………eh

    BTW, for those that were blaming Hurdle/Leyva/Cutch for not going the other night, Josh Harrison just showed you why you don’t run on contact with the infield in.

    Stupid play.

  348. Patrick(ri) says:

    + a million. Take three shots — at least on the road.

  349. JohninOshkosh says:

    LHP Justin Wilson in for the Bucs. John Jay jumps on the first pitch and flies out. Holliday up.

  350. Milo Hamilton says:

    Wasn’t stupid at all. You were no worse off after it. That showed exactly why you go on contact.

  351. Baywatch says:

    Maybe we’d be in the lead right now if they’d left Lambo in? #angelinHISOutfield

  352. SteelAg70 says:

    Disagree…two totally different situations….

  353. JohninOshkosh says:

    Holliday strikes out. Two outs.

  354. Stickyweb says:

    yeah, but now they have a lefty in there against Martin, Gaby and Tabby. Or will they use a 4th reliever to start the 8th inning?

  355. Brandie says:

    Where’s Libido when you need him?!

  356. Milo Hamilton says:

    Push the next button, Sticky. Rosenthal. Nobody to pinch hit.

  357. JohninOshkosh says:

    Alan Craig up for St. Louis. Bases empty. Lazy out to Tabata. One Two Three inning. We move to the eight in the Gateway City. 5-4 Cardinals.

  358. SteelAg70 says:

    Button pushed….

  359. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Holliday is by far, the worst OFer in all of baseball. Good hitter though.

  360. JohninOshkosh says:

    Top of the eighth.

    RHP Trevor Rosenthal in for StL

  361. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I’m sure its been all over the blog today. Lazy fly balls, nobody on, blah, blah, blah…please do.

    Trying gun somebody or run after the catch….1 hand please

  362. Baywatch says:

    I’m not calling for a collapse on this day … but it does make me wonder if they’ll try to resign Burnett for next year.

  363. JohninOshkosh says:

    Martin ties it with a home run on second pitch !!!

    We are tied at 5-5

  364. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Very doubtful AJ gets resigned.

  365. Milo Hamilton says:

    Martin has a button too !

  366. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Russell Martin is fun to watch. To me, the true MVP of this team.

  367. Baywatch says:

    My Favorite Martin!

  368. Dom says:


  369. NMR says:

    No. Not it does not.

  370. JohninOshkosh says:

    Gabby Sanchez to face Rosenthal. AJ will not get loss today.

  371. JohninOshkosh says:

    Grounds out Carpenter to Adams. One out.

  372. Karen22 says:

    I’ve decided I’m not turning on the TV to watch – just following the game thru the comments here. The very LAST guy I want up there with runners on (especially on 3rd) or in a clutch situation is PETEY! That script is written in STONE. It’s getting to the point of ridiculousness.

  373. SteelAg70 says:


  374. Karen22 says:


  375. Dom says:

    What about Martin Scorsese?

  376. JohninOshkosh says:

    Tabata rips a double to left. One out. Runner at second.

  377. Patrick(ri) says:

    Martin is, if I can use the term, clutch.

  378. Stickyweb says:

    You better be damn sure there won’t be extra innings when you push that many buttons so early in a game. I’m liking our position.

  379. Karen22 says:

    Should have posted this a hair earlier…I hit the button probably JUST as Martin swung! Martin for President!

  380. JohninOshkosh says:

    Barmes grounds out to Kozma in the hole. Two outs. Tabby stays at second….smartly.

  381. Dom says:

    My favorite Tabata.

  382. SteelAg70 says:


  383. Baywatch says:

    You may, Patrick … for he is!

  384. Brandie says:

    Brown called it an “Opposite field Ding-Dong!” Really?

  385. Baywatch says:


  386. NMR says:

    Balogna. He’s only hitting .230 with RISP and doesn’t have a single sac fly.

  387. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jordy Mercer pinchhitting for the pitcher’s spot. Tony Watson will pitch the bottom half of the eighth.

    Mercer flies out to left. Tabata is stranded at second.

    5-5 as we go to the bottom of the eight.

  388. Patrick(ri) says:

    The off season priority better be to get CH some more switch hitters to feed his strategy addiction.

  389. Baywatch says:

    Greg was just now DFA’d by ROOT … this is getting crazy!

  390. JohninOshkosh says:

    “You are the worst architect in the world”

    Old Spice commercial for you workers…

  391. Dom says:

    Suddenly I’m glad Hostess is back in business.

  392. Nate83 says:

    You beat me to the punch. He has been clutch in game deciding moments not so much in normal innings 1-8 scoring chances. I love the guy but he isn’t as clutch as perceived. He does take walks with runners in scoring postion sometimes so there is that.

  393. JohninOshkosh says:

    LHP Tony Watson in for the Bucs against Yadier Molina.

  394. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    It is stupid.

    I Understand NW got to 2nd and got into scoring position. But JHay was a sitting duck. Infield not in, he walks home on a hit.

  395. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Not really………

  396. Patrick(ri) says:

    Game winning hits, though.

  397. Nate83 says:

    I’m an architect but not working much today. I guess that makes me the worst architect in the world. My family loves that commercial. My son watched it in slow motion to see how many things he could find wrong.

  398. JohninOshkosh says:

    Yadi strikes out as his bat goes flying. Only the 37 K of the year for the Redbird backstop. One out Matt Adams up.

  399. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Would’ve been in the lead had Gaby not get screwed by a wiiiiiiiiiiddddddddeee strike zone.

  400. theplanisworking says:

    The ball went to the opposite field, Brown is a ding-dong.

  401. JohninOshkosh says:

    Adams spits out his Bratwurst and grounds to Walker. Two outs.

    Pete Kozma up Love his name.

  402. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    He has looked really bad at the plate today…

    Thank goodness.

  403. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Better than the TV side of things……..Tim Neverett is terrible.

  404. Milo Hamilton says:


  405. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Was hoping for Tony Sanchez there……..just kidding

  406. JohninOshkosh says:

    Kozma swimgs at a nasty pitch. Strikes out.

    That’s a wrap for the eighth. Still tied at 5-5 in the big city on the Mississippi.

  407. Baywatch says:


  408. Baywatch says:

    Can we really make a run at this thing with Neverett as a broadcaster? :-)

  409. Milo Hamilton says:

    Let’s bunt some more.

  410. Dom says:

    Hit it out, Marte!

  411. JohninOshkosh says:

    Marte leads off the Bucs’ ninth against Rosenthal.

  412. JohninOshkosh says:

    Strikes out at a pitch quite outside. One out. Walker steps in..

  413. Dom says:

    I never understood why he attempts to bunt his way on. How many times has that succeeded this year?

  414. Kevin says:

    walker’s due for a hit today… doesn’t he have a 9 game hit streak going?

  415. JohninOshkosh says:

    Creepy Jack in the Box mascot peers from behind home on the wall ad…

  416. Milo Hamilton says:

    Him doing that & drawing the 3rd baseman in directly led to his double in the 1st inning.

  417. NMR says:

    I was being sarcastic, guys.

    Those two stats are an awful judge of “clutch”.

  418. JohninOshkosh says:

    walker called out on strikes Two outs

  419. SteelAg70 says:


  420. NMR says:

    Or just field a team in which half the players don’t have severe platoon splits.

  421. JohninOshkosh says:

    Cutch flies out to John Jay. Buccos retired in order in the top half of the ninth.

  422. Milo Hamilton says:

    Andrew McCutchen hitting .241 in late inning / close situations.

  423. Kevin says:

    where’s the scouting report person? if this goes extras, who does St. L have in the pen?/bench?

  424. SteelAg70 says:


  425. SteelAg70 says:

    Another quiet day for Cutch….

  426. JohninOshkosh says:

    We go the bottom of the ninth. All tied at 5-5

    Tony Watson and Russell Martin the Pirate Battery.

  427. NMR says:

    But he’s hitting .279 w RISP!

  428. SteelAg70 says:

    Not so clutch….

  429. JohninOshkosh says:

    Daniel Descalso leads off the Cardinal ninth. Pops up to Barmes. One out.

  430. NMR says:

    Just in case this game doesn’t end before I leave work, thank you. Wonderful job today.

  431. JohninOshkosh says:

    Switch hitting Carlos Beltran, batting right….

  432. Dom says:

    Just three more starts to go till Liriano is back on the mound!

  433. JohninOshkosh says:


  434. JohninOshkosh says:

    Beltran pops out to Barmes in short centerfield. Two outs. Matt Carpenter up.

  435. JohninOshkosh says:

    Carpenter singles to center. Four hits today for Carpenter.

  436. JohninOshkosh says:

    John Jay bats with two outs and one on…

  437. JohninOshkosh says:

    Flies out to Cutch. Extra frames are required.

  438. JohninOshkosh says:

    I apologize but I have to skedaddle to work. Thought this game would be over by now. Didn’t mean to Bogart the blog, but play by play on the blog hadn’t been done for awhile.

    Hope the Bucs can pull this one out. Have a good night all.

    5-5 going to bottom of the tenth…

  439. Milo Hamilton says:

    You would think you’d consider using Melancon against the heart of their order.

  440. Karen22 says:

    Thanks for the info, John. I’m DVR-ing the game in case we WIN…been fun following your “Bogart!”

  441. NMR says:


  442. Brandie says:

    I love that commercial!

  443. Brandie says:

    WHAT!!!? Looks like a ransom note!

  444. SteelAg70 says:

    Third inning for Watson…uh-oh…

  445. Drew71 says:

    Hit it to Marte.

  446. Patrick(ri) says:

    Gamecast shows Craig should have been out after 3 pitches.

  447. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just watch, he’s going to bring in Melancon just to get the 3rd out.

  448. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nope. Not necessary.

  449. Brandie says:

    Or the Soul Train Scramble Board!

  450. Patrick(ri) says:

    Nice job by Watson. I think he was out of gas for the last two batters.

  451. SteelAg70 says:

    Had to be…three innings is alot…but awesome job….

  452. Milo Hamilton says:

    I need some of those antibiotics Joggin’ Joe’s on.

  453. twentytwo22 says:

    Got him on. Get him over. Get him in. Win the game.

  454. Patrick(ri) says:

    He must be over the flu.

  455. twentytwo22 says:

    Got him on. Got him over. Get him in. Win the game.

  456. Thundercrack says:

    Lambo = light under Tabata’s butt ?

  457. Milo Hamilton says:

    We’ve seen that happen before. I’m going with the antibiotics.

  458. Patrick(ri) says:

    This ump is something — walks T Sanchez on a better pitch than the strike one on Marte.

  459. Patrick(ri) says:

    At least he spares Cutch some embarrassment.

  460. Chuck H says:

    Once again, our supposed to be smart manager didn’t know when his starter was done for the day. He left him in 4 batters and 3runs too long. It’s not the first time he has done this. Most good managers act more intelligently in such situations. Why does he think that
    his starter is suddenly going to revert back to form? That doesn’t happen very often in the major league. That’s why they carry 9 or 10 pitchers on a team. Also, he doesn’t believe
    in matching lefty pitcher against lefty batter and vice versa in the late innings with the
    game on the line. GO, BUCS!!!

  461. Brandie says:

    Antibiotics are PED’s. Get the MLB brass on the phone!

  462. SteelAg70 says:

    This team can’t buy a run when they need it…ugghhhh…

  463. Milo Hamilton says:

    That my friends is all she wrote.

  464. twentytwo22 says:

    Nevermind. Strikeouts and roll overs.

  465. irishjim says:

    What’s that? 16 LOB? This team continues to amaze, and not in a good way.

  466. Patrick(ri) says:

    Scary matchup to startbthis inning.

  467. Patrick(ri) says:

    Morris with excellent extra inning!

  468. irishjim says:

    Shark tank with 6 2/3 excellent innings. Guess we need a solo HR because hitting with guys on base is obviously out of the question.

  469. Milo Hamilton says:

    1-10 RISP & 9 LOB.

  470. bizrow says:

    Hope this doesn’t go 19

  471. Steelag70 says:

    This lack of hitting with men on base will be our biggest hurdle in the playoffs.

  472. Thundercrack says:

    Cardinals may be down to their last reliever.

  473. Patrick(ri) says:

    Gamecast showed last pitch to Pedro was a strike. Any opinion about whether GC is better or worse than Root’s scanner?

  474. Patrick(ri) says:

    Bigger than Clint?

  475. irishjim says:


  476. twentytwo22 says:

    They have no Beltran, no Freese. The Pirates have had the advantage. But the offense is required to score a run.

    On Tuesday they had no Molina, no Holliday (Pitcher batting 4th), no Freese (Backup C hitting 5th) and that also required the Pirates to score a run.

  477. Milo Hamilton says:

    We’ll still have our best one left when the game’s over.

  478. Patrick(ri) says:

    It also showed Carpenter should have been rung up.

  479. twentytwo22 says:

    Gaby Sanchez must have 0 lateral agility.

  480. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice road trip.

  481. irishjim says:

    Why no Melancon? Hurdled!

  482. OZ says:

    why not intentionally walk Holiday in that situation?

  483. Bob Hasis says:

    Oh yeah but he’s better than Jones??? BS!!!

  484. pattonbb says:

    Bryan Freakin’ Morris……..

  485. Drew71 says:

    Freaking Jason Bay

  486. Bob Hasis says:

    The panic moves by CH are and have been under way. More to follow.

  487. twentytwo22 says:

    With this incompetent offense there is no team we can’t lose to.

  488. florida steeler says:

    They deserved to lose. Pathetic hitting team with runners on base and that includes ALL of them including McCutcheon. Hurdle did a horrible job today–leaving Burnett in the game–AGAIN and his absurd bunting all the time.

  489. Bob Hasis says:


  490. Brandie says:

    Lost another heartbreaker!

  491. Steelag70 says:

    Hurdle was definitely outdone today by Matheny…

  492. Arriba Wilver says:

    My thoughts exactly!

  493. Tj says:

    KDKA reporting that the Clemente bridge will be closed this evening as the line of people preparing to jump stretches to and around Heinz field.

  494. Arriba Wilver says:


  495. Tj says:

    Just what MLB needs… Expanded replay. Coaches to get 1 challenge during the first 6 innings and 2 during the last 3.

    Need to give that reliever a few more pitches to warm up… Call for a challenge! They are free!

  496. Arriba Wilver says:

    Pirates are now only up by 2 games in the Central Division.

  497. Tj says:

    Might as well pile on… Top 2 steelers running backs hurt in practice today. Bell and Redman both injured.

    What makes this news worthy to me is that I did not know the Steelers had a TOP running back

  498. Tj says:

    But let’s stop for a minute…. When was the last time you could say that on August 15?

  499. 4 for 5, 3 doubles, 1 R, 1 RBI from the right fielders tonight.
    Maybe getting production out of RF isn’t such a good thing???

  500. Tj says:

    I have to look at the hitting in this series alone and then the Rockies series and ask a question….

    How is Jay Bell’s name mentioned as manager material for Washington but Ray Searage can’t get a sniff???? Do we need a Rooney rule?

  501. Arriba Wilver says:

    Did I really need to put quotes around “only?”

  502. Arriba Wilver says:


  503. Baywatch says:

    Arreebz! Don’t Do It!

  504. Arriba Wilver says:


  505. Baywatch says:

    I still think if they’d have left Lambo in we would have won and … SHUT UP, BAY! :-)

  506. Chuck H says:

    If we don’t make the playoffs, put down Hurdle as our weakest link. He has lost a lot of games this year because he doesn’t know when to take his starter out of the game. If we
    blow a 4 run lead and he leaves the starter in the game, then the loss is on him. With the relievers that we have, there is no excuse for this kind of managing. Fire his –s and get a smart manager.

  507. Tj says:


    Life is still nice at the top and still 2 games up without a top 3 starter and all star closer. To a small market team like the Pirates that would usually spell doom.

  508. Arriba Wilver says:

    Has his overall performance as a manager won any of the 71 games they won?

  509. Reading says:

    My hope was that the Pirates would exit St. Louis with at least a two game lead. So, mission accomplished. That said, the sweep was there for the taking. Could come back to jaunt us later on.

  510. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lots of things could come back to haunt us, and more to come.

    I do agree, though, that the sweep was there for the taking, and at the very least 2 of 3. But I had the same initial thought as you. At least get one. They did.

    We do have a team, though, that I would not have said 2 months ago was better, but this series, oddly enough, cemented it for me– we are better than these guys.

  511. Thundercrack says:

    The right fielders aren’t scoring enough runs.

    Of course it isn’t their fault and no one is scoring enough

  512. Milo Hamilton says:

    While I agree that Hurdle did not have a good day let’s not bury the lede here. They lost this game today because Mr. STFD had to. He spit the bit, plain & simple. Personally responsible for coughing up a 4 run lead today and a 2 run lead Saturday night. For all his histrionics and “leadership” he came up small. The guy that pitched last night showed what leadership is. This team is built on it’s pitching and it let them down big time today.

  513. Arriba Wilver says:


  514. Arriba Wilver says:

    Pedro’s first hit and RBI came on a double in his 4th game. Means nothing for Lambo, but that’s what happened. (I know this was Lambo’s 3rd game).

  515. Naje says:

    Wait, I’m supposed to be in full panic mode because Hurdle certainly is. It’s all HURDLE’S FAULT! AND THE WORST PLAYER IN THE WORLD TABATA… AND THE WORSTESTEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD BARMES!

  516. Bob Hasis says:

    If you don’t see it now – then you can’t see. And if you do see it, you won’t be able to comprehend it.

    Hurdle talks good and manages poorly. His decisions are easily countered, and when he needs to make a decisive choice – he doesn’t.

    Two games were lost to our closest rival in extra innings. Both games were ours to win and we didn’t.

    Blame any particular player you want, but it’s CH. Sorry about your myopic condition

  517. Bob Hasis says:

    Hurdle needed to remove him -he didn’t. Same as in Colorado – he didn’t. You are able to recognize Mr. STFD spit the bit, why couldn’t CH see the same thing.

    I’ll bet his post-game “fireside chat” was a masterpiece.

  518. Bob Hasis says:

    Being in full panic mode is your choice; CH has been there ahead of you.
    Tabby didn’t hurt us today, Barmes had a very good game – we still lost.

  519. Thundercrack says:

    I thought Hurdle managed pretty well on Tuesday night.

  520. theplanisworking says:

    Early in the year, Hurdle pulled the starters too early, leading to “their arms are going to fall off” discussions.

    Now Hurdle leaves pitchers in too long, resulting in blown leads and losses.

    I wish he would make up his mind.

  521. Thundercrack says:

    I didn’t see the game – only listened to parts (most of it) on the radio. And I listened to the first 5 innings.

    I’m sorry, but I can’t believe people are putting out this notion that Hurdle should have lifted AJ sooner.

    Please name one manager that is going to take out a veteran pitcher without giving him every opportunity to at least go 5 innings and get the decision? There are none. We may not like and we may wish that a manager would do that – but they are not going to do it. I don’t care if this is a pennant race or not. Not going to happen.

    Hurdle may do that with a younger, less established pitcher like Locke, JMac, or even Morton. But there is no way he is taking out Burnett….unless he saw that his fastball had gone to 55 mph or his curveball was continually going to the backstop.

  522. Milo Hamilton says:

    Claude Giroux out 6 weeks with a messed up finger after a freak golf club accident. Why did I think of Jandy when I read that ? :)

  523. Bob Hasis says:

    Your analogies are ludicrous.

    First of all you didn’t see the game – you said – so you are disqualified to evaluate AJ.

    Secondly your second paragraph assumes, presumes and fantasizes. I couldn’t possibly comment.

    Thirdly he fears AJ, and that is a sign of resigned weakness.

    Thus CH is a loser

  524. Bob Hasis says:

    He can’t make up his mind, but he’ll sell you a bottle of snake oil. Tune in to a post game session.

    What does “he’s in a good place mean”?

  525. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jandy’s 9 wide golf shoes with spikes !

  526. Thundercrack says:

    Why can’t I evaluate based upon what I heard on the radio?

    And how exactly do you know that Clint fears AJ? Please do explain that one.

  527. The Gunner says:

    The St. Louis series was a major disappointment – we should have swept that series. Maybe some home cooking will help the cause.

  528. theplanisworking says:

    AJ was getting battered worse than a mangy dog.

    A managers responsibility is to manage the pitchers correctly, not let his “friend” stay in for a decision. If Hurdle sees he is getting beaten around, it is Hurdle’s job to stop the damage.

    Pirates have the best bullpen in the game. Why leave a struggling pitcher in?

    And I am not going along with your “groupthink” mentality.
    Just because manager leave their friends in for decisions, doesn’t make that the right call.

  529. theplanisworking says:

    Repost this in the morning.
    It will make her day!

  530. JohninOshkosh says:

    Once in H.S., I was playing in a match and my opponent threw his putter way up in the air. I was recording his score and not looking. It hit my ankle and cut me. Wonder if Claude’s was similarly freakish.

  531. Bob Hasis says:

    By my observation, he leaves him in well past a point that AJ should be removed, and the results speak for themselves. As to fearing him, my reference is fear of alienation and possible loss of the clubhouse – not a physical confrontation.
    If he loses the clubhouse, he will be gone.

  532. Bob Hasis says:

    That is an excellent observation. Did you get this TC?

    Please don’t accept my word.

  533. Thundercrack says:

    So Clint and AJ are friends

  534. Thundercrack says:

    I always come around to your way thinking

    That’s your rule, right?

  535. Bob Hasis says:

    If we win 90 games and don’t make the post-season, he will be gone.

    His post-game “charm and clichés” would be even more annoying

  536. Bob Hasis says:

    Forget the number of games, let’s just say surpass 82. and miss out on the playoffs – gone!

  537. BDHumbert says:

    I am not ready to say we are now in Implosion III – but Hurdle is accountable for this in my mind. I don’t think he managed the series very well – and if Huntington thinks he did then they are both in trouble.

    The Arizona series is now much bigger than it should have been – but the Bucs are in first and that is better than the alternative.

  538. Arriba Wilver says:

    Plan, you really think Hurdle left Burnett in because they are “friends?” That isn’t what TC said, anyway. And you think the fact AJ had been going good, with a low pitch count, for 4 innings didn’t enter into the decision? And they see lots more than we do, and sometimes they recover. And I’d imagine he got input from Searage also. He took him out in the fifth inning, and we’re complaining? Maybe he left him in too long, I don’t know, but the criticism, not just from you, seems overdone. JMO

  539. Bob Hasis says:

    ONLY IF I’m right. I don’t intend to be some bullying lout, but rather present the issues differently than perhaps you are thinking

  540. JohninOshkosh says:

    Watching NFL on ESPN. I had to Google Marc Trestman. Totally forgot who he was and why he had a head coaching job in the NFL.

  541. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Didn’t see the game, but I didn’t like what I heard
    I’m afraid AJ might be tiring.
    It’s only mid-August……

  542. Bob Hasis says:

    Don’t invoke Searage – that sir, is a cop out. The decision is CH’s.

  543. Thundercrack says:


  544. Arriba Wilver says:

    And he should be treated the same, for example as Cumpton, Morton and Cole? Not to me.

  545. Thundercrack says:

    He did miss some starts by being on the DL

  546. Jason81 says:

    Scott Hartnell may have thrown a putter at him.

  547. Arriba Wilver says:

    Ok, take Searage out. It was only mentioned in the context of them having more info than us anyway. It is Clint’s decision.

  548. Bob Hasis says:

    TC, since you didn’t see the game, here is what I saw (I don’t know why CH didn’t); AJ began taking longer between pitches, his body language (usually a telltale yardstick) was screaming tiredness, and his facial grimaces.
    This was apparent on TV

  549. Bob Hasis says:

    Agreed here

  550. theplanisworking says:

    AW, of course those things entered into a decision.

    But let me ask you this:

    if you have a pitcher in the game, and a team scores 3 runs off said pitcher, two more batters get hits, and said pitcher isnt getting any outs, would you continue to leave that pitcher in? Clint did, and what was a 4-0 lead very, very quickly turned into a 5-4 deficit. If the Pirates bullpen stunk, I could agree with Hurdle’s decision. They have a good bullpen, why leave any pitcher in to get battered around?

    Unless you are saying that Hurdle and Searage didnt see he was not getting the job done? Also, sometimes each inning has to be taken in a vacuum. Just because someone does well in a certain inning, that success won’t transfer to the next inning.

    Oh, and I never said TC said Clint and AJ were friends. I said that all on my own.

  551. Thundercrack says:

    It sounded to me that AJ pitched well for 4 innings and he hit a very rough patch in the 5th. I think a veteran like AJ could settle down and get out of it and pitch another 1-2 innings.

    I give AJ the chance to do it

  552. Arriba Wilver says:

    The only possible silver lining I can add about AJ is that the reason I picked the under on 10.5 totals of strikeouts and walks is because I saw a difference in his stats in the daytime and nighttime games. Could be he’s harder to pick up in the lights. Not saying it’s so, or the reason, just searching for something.

  553. theplanisworking says:

    That is a goalpost shift.

    Of course there is a “pecking order” amongst pitchers. AJ, and Frankie, for example, have proven to be better in those type of spots than Cumpton, etc.

    But that isnt any excuse for letting any pitcher in the game when he is betting beaten around. Its the managers job, in a close game especially, to minimize damage.

  554. theplanisworking says:

    Agreed, you would think that a veteran like AJ could get out of that situation.

    But he didnt, and it was obvious he wasnt going to, so its the managers job to limit the damage.

  555. Bob Hasis says:

    In lieu of a stimulating baseball game on TV I’m watching SD and Chi. pre-season.

    I think when a pass defender gets beaten for a completion, over the middle, at the sidelines, in the end zone or anywhere for that matter, and the defender jumps up and waves incomplete, he should receive a 15 yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

  556. BDHumbert says:

    I have been following the AJ/CH discussion and lots of good points….

    But here is my net – good managers – Danny Murtaugh – Tony LaRussa DO NOT lose games where they have 4-0 leads in the 5th inning…

    This manager did – and he wants to be at his home in Colorado in early October – I am so pissed off at this loss

  557. theplanisworking says:

    + many.

  558. Arriba Wilver says:

    To answer your question, plan, who is the pitcher, what has he been doing so far, do you see he’s getting beaten around for something he can correct and lots of other questions? That’s my point, it isn’t as easy as “he’s getting beaten around so when to take him out is obvious.” i know you didn’t say that specifically, but that is my interpretation of a lot of the criticism, and it’s also possible Clint made an error. But it ain’t as obvious or simple as some are making it seem, including your question.

    The fact we have a great bullpen and they had a night off Wednesday obviously isn’t in dispute.

  559. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m going with that he went all Johnny Manziel & he slammed the club in anger, shattered the shaft & the graphite sliced his finger.

  560. theplanisworking says:

    Correct, AW.

    Maybe I am making this a bit simpler than others, but if a lowly Hippo can see what is happening, I would think Clint could see it too.

    I am just a little sad that the Pirates had leads in all 3 games this series, and only got 1 win.
    And, sometimes I just dont understand Hurdle’s decisions.

    But, at least I have my Pond.
    Clint cant take that from me. ;)

  561. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sometimes I don’t, either, but I’m on the side of the fence that thinks he’s right a lot more of the time than he’s wrong, and a key reason we are 71-48 and 2 games up.

    Think of the alternative— Neal has put together a team that should be running away with the Central Division, and Clint is screwing it up. Yeah, gave me the creeps just typing it. :-)

  562. Bob Hasis says:

    There is a dude in this game for SD named Baker; he seemingly was the running with, or the understudy to our Le’Veon Bell at Michigan State.

    So far he looks good, and Bell can’t even get on the field because of a gimpy knee.

  563. Bob Hasis says:

    running mate

  564. theplanisworking says:

    I need to take a cold shower with your last sentence.

    Ice in the Pond for me.

    And, thanks for the good conversation.

    Good Night.

  565. Arriba Wilver says:

    Same to you, plan. Goodnight.

  566. Chuck H says:

    There’s nothing wrong with your starting pitcher suddenly losing his stuff, but it’s up to the manager (Hurdle) to recognize this before you lose a 4 run lead. Burnett should have lifted when the score became 4-2, but no–Hurdle did what he always does–leave his pitcher in until after the opposition goes ahead. By this time in the game, the Bucs have quit hitting (not unusual) for the day. Even when Marte leads off an inning with a double,
    we can’t score him. That’s futility to the fullest extent, and the Bucs aren’t going to make it
    with just pitching. They need to hit with RISP, and I don’t know why, but wit us, it’s a disease. Another heartbreaker for Pirate fans.

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