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Final: Pirates 10, Giants 5

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (74-52) vs. San Francisco Giants (56-70)

Starters: LHP Jeff Locke vs. RHP Matt Cain

Time: 10:15 p.m.

Site: AT&T Park, San Francisco

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  5. Russell Martin, C
  6. Garrett Jones, RF
  7. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  8. Jordy Mercer, SS
  9. Locke, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Travis Sawchik is on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. JRay3 says:

    No Marte, but Tabata healthy enough to go. More importantly than picking at the lineup is what kind of performance does Locke turn in tonight.

    Just from a mental side of things it would be nice to see Jeff start game out strong and hopefully right his ship a bit.

    Chance to take a 9.5 game lead for playoff spot this evening and hope the Braves can continue to give the Cards fits.

  2. Karen22 says:

    Dear Lord…Jones in the game again. How many strikeouts and stinko at bats do we have to endure on this day? Geeeeez.

  3. JRay3 says:

    Hey his only 0-17 with 9 K’s in his last six games, he has to be due at some point, right?

  4. Matt hoffman says:

    Would much rather see Pie than Jones in the OF!!!

  5. Cmat0829 says:

    Fact is, this lineup needs Jones to produce..only way he can do that is to be in the lineup. Lets hope he gets it going starting tonight.

  6. Chuck H says:

    What a pitiful performance against the Padres on Wednesday. Again, no run support for
    Cole, who didn’t pitch all that well, but could have used some runs in his behalf. 4 hits,
    and Cutch had 2 of them. Sir Whiffs-a-Lotte struck out twice, and that last K looked like he wasn’t even trying. Don’t know what is the matter with Jones. He can’t hit a lick anymore.
    He strikes out more than Sir Whiffs nowadays. He is a genuine auto out. About every 4
    game, the Pirates forget how to hit, except for our only true major leaguer, McCutchen, and he can’t do it all. GO, BUCS!!! We are in the stretch run in the season now, so we
    need to score some runs, starting tonight.

  7. Karen22 says:

    We’ve said that the ENTIRE season. Not gonna happen. He’s a mess of lost at the plate. And he is KILLING the middle of the lineup.

  8. The Gunner says:

    Jones sure has become a major problem. Mrs. Gunner likes Garrett (she thinks he is handsome etc.) and feels real sorry for him. She has been praying and saying her rosaries with the intent of helping him.

    Let’s hope he comes alive tonight!!

  9. Karen22 says:

    I’d much rather see ME in the OF. That’s desperate!

  10. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yeah, Cole’s a bum for giving up 2 runs in 6 innings. No Cy Young for him this year.

  11. Karen22 says:

    I agree with the Mrs. But he’s hurting us! I can sacrifice looking at his pretty face for some hits!

  12. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    I don’t even know how to respond to this.

    I’ll just go with…

    Ugh. It’s fiting.

  13. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    AW, to answer your location question from last thread: Yes, yes I’m going to Shaw.


  14. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    For what the options are, I really don’t have a problem with this lineup.

    Jones is a problem, I agree, however he is not killing this lineup.

    He’s due. Matt Cain is his type of pitcher. He’s goes after guys. Challenges. Doesn’t play around a whole lot.

    I like NW in the 2 hole. Hitting in front of Cutch has been the key to his resurgance, IMHO. Earlier in the season CH was trying to rely on him for RBI production, which I agreed with at the time because of his history of being a good hitter. He struggled. Now he’s there and seeing better pitches.

    He’s been the best trade deadline deal the Pirates have made.

  15. The Gunner says:


    I agree with you, Jones has turned into major liability these days. I imagine Lambo will be up in a few days and start to get the most of the starts.

    Tabata now has tendinitis but, I guess he is starting tonight. I think Tabby is really a lot older than what he says he is, Hell, this guy might be pushing 35!!!

  16. bizrow says:

    The Legend is what we got right now

    As long as he wears Black and Gold, I’m all in for him.

    You play with the cards you got.

    And I’m for once not dissing NH

    Not a lot of cards out there worth it

  17. Karen22 says:

    I am quite certain that Tabby’s an oldie. Nooooooo doubt about it!

  18. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m sure at this point you have a higher WAR than Jonesy, Karen!

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  20. Eric Bowser says:

    Pirates have options… they are called DO NOT PLAY GARRETT JONES!

    The man needs a night off, away from the game and just watch.

    Until the team acquires a suitable replacement, get him right mentally and that starts with watching the game.

    Pie and Harrison can play tonight…

    Guaranteed lock….. Jones will suck tonight.

  21. Patrick says:

    Gross…still no Marte in the line up and we get to see how many times Jones K’s tonight and flails away like he doesn’t have a clue. Don’t know how anyone can say we don’t need some sort of upgrade with the offense. This is not a pretty line up. And considering that Matt Cain is on the bump that makes matters even worse.

  22. Patrick says:

    Would rather see Pie in there over Jones. Not crazy about JHay in the OF. Don’t mind him at 2B, SS or 3B. But not RF.

  23. Zack says:

    Jones over last 7: 1 for 21, 1 R, 2 BB, 10 SO .048 average. Hitting .122 in the whole month. This doesn’t seem like something he will really break out of. I believe he will improve but he’s a mess right now.

  24. Patrick says:

    Mess is being too kind.

  25. Bob says:

    I know Jones looks horrible but if you sit him for any extended time it will get worse for him mentally. I wish Jay Bell would have both him and Alvarez work on hitting balls to left and straight away especially away from PNC. Their swings are too long causing strikeouts – watch how far their heads pull off the ball on swings and misses vs. contact.

  26. Patrick says:

    Winston-Salem, North Carolina here! Go Bucs!

  27. Zack says:

    I know, he is still a likable player but when you see a guy just struggling like this, give him a break. Put him on the bench. Not grant him starts… Same with Locke if you ask me. But I believe they will get him rest in September, when they don’t have to worry about moving guys around on the roster

  28. Brandie says:

    Read posts over both threads. I am blown away by the insight and the respect you all gave shown each other.

    I know nothing about stats. I need to brush up in sabermetrics and how stats are used to determine rosters and potential upgrades.

    That said, while I am glad that our Buccos took 2 out of 3 from the Padres, I am concerned about the lack of finesse with regard to base running and situational hitting. A few players having struggles I can understand during a baseball season, but, virtually the whole team? (The thing may be that it has been so long since the Pirates have mattered in a meaningful way and not a joke that this team has forgotten how to act. It’s your typical hippo out of water story.) Something does not add up to me here.
    These situations must be addressed now as the Pirates are in a playoff race as well as maintaining the positive upward momentum for the future.

  29. Patrick says:

    Hopefully, Locke can get his groove back tonight. SF’s line up is not exactly full of mashers. They can be pretty anemic like us. If he gets bashed around tonight then that will be a major cause for concern.

  30. JohninOshkosh says:

    With Pittsburgh in San Francisco I got to thinking about the Giants, an organization that has won the World Championship 2 out of the last 3 years.

    I have always held the Giants in great esteem. I like how they built their beautiful ballpark without any tax payer money. They spend money even though their market contains another major league club. Their ownership hires quality people and are loyal to them. There is no better management team, perhaps, in all of sports than Brian Sabean and Bruce Bochy.

    In 2010, the Giants coming off a pedestrian 88 win season in 2009, were a team that struggled with production but enjoyed great pitching (sound familiar?). After the trade deadline, they acquired Mike Fontenot. Never much for big numbers, and not a sexy name at all, Fontenot did go on to have a hit in the NLCS clinching game. They then acquired Jose Guillen, who quickly became embroiled in a PED scandal. Mistake. But the Giants soldiered on and later acquired Cody Ross off waivers on August 23. Anyone who watched that team regularly could not say that the Giants would have won the division and the championship without Ross. He was integral. And he was a late August acquisition that was, no doubt, met with a fair share of “he stinks” and “what’s the point” detractors.

    Their management is bold with player movements (see Zack Wheeler for Carlos Beltran in 2011-a mistake but a move to push for the post season and a message to the fan base that their goal was the post season) and also keen on scouting and player development. To be successful, you have to be both.

  31. Milo Hamilton says:

    Juan D. has shut it down & will visit Dr. Andrews next week. I believe I had that.

  32. Patrick says:

    Wandy Rodriguez will visit Dr. James Andrews, Travis Sawchik writes. That makes it extremely likely that his season is over. Rodriguez has been out since June with a forearm injury.

    I think we can pretty much forget about Wandy for this season. So we can add that bit of good news in to go along with our offensive issues.

  33. bizrow says:

    Thanks for signing in Patrick

    That makes 391

  34. JohninOshkosh says:

    So the good doctor has finally moved from being at the side of RG3 ?

    I bet Dr. Andrews drives a nice car.

    Good call, btw.

  35. Arriba Wilver says:

    Might as well get it done sooner rather than later.

  36. TJ says:

    Anyone had a chance to read the statement issued by Ryan Braun concerning his PED use?

    Makes me totally sick; and makes me believe he is still living in the world of denial. He claims that he turned to “products” in late 2011 after dealing with a nagging injury. He stated that he turned to them for a short period of time. Claims that he turned to a cream and a lozenge that he believed would help in his rehabilitation from the injury.

    Now correct me if I’m wrong but this type of statement could come back to haunt him in his civil trial if someone has evidence that differs from this statement. He pretty much says yeah I used it but only for a little bit.

    If he only used it for a little bit why the 62 game suspension? He was not suspended when his test came back positive because of a loop hole in the system. But now that they have proof he gets 62 and others get 50?

    I don’t believe a word that comes out of this guys mouth. I believe him even less than before. Should have kept his mouth shut.

  37. bizrow says:

    And we can forget pretty much about Wandy for next season.

    Do you think Wandy will exercise his option for next season?

    No disrespect to NH on this one, no way you could see this coming when they traded for him

  38. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’ll make $13 million next year not to pitch, of which we’ll pay $7 million. He’ll never throw another pitch for the Pirates. Wonder why Morneau suddenly seems too expensive ?

  39. JohninOshkosh says:

    Braun is like that old lawyer joke.

    How do you know Braun is lying ? His lips are moving.

  40. TJ says:

    John I’m not sure if you’ve been following or not but the Pirates have made some bold moves….

    They went out and acquired Doug Mathis on July 31 they acquired Robert Andino.

    How much bolder can you get?

    I bet if NH walked into Chipotle and they asked him if he wanted hot, mild or medium salsa his response would be; what is salsa? Guy is as vanilla as they get. And I’m not talking skin color so don’t go there!

  41. TJ says:

    I seriously believe he and AFraud should just run off and get married. The money they could save on shipping PEDs would be through the roof.

  42. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total INNINGS PITCHED by Jeff Locke in tonight’s game
    Line is 5.75

    Line #2
    Total HITS by Garrett Jones in tonight’s game
    Line is 0.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    74 Down, only 8 more to go!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM & BREAK .500

  43. TJ says:

    Welcome back AJ Burnett. Your Pirate career might not yet be over.

  44. Patrick says:

    Oh for sure he exercises his player option. And will get paid a bundle to spend most of the season rehabbing. At least the Astros are on the hook for 5.5 million of his salary for next season. But it is still frustrating. And no, NH could not have seen this coming. He was generally healthy and durable all those years with the Astros. Just bad luck.

  45. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    They need to play IGINLA!!!

  46. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sounds like he combined ARod’s and Bonds’ explanations together. Only used it for the time you can prove it ( ARod) and it was a cream be didn’t know was anything illegal (Bonds).

    No surprise.

    He’ll never get in the Hall.

  47. TJ says:

    Line 1 – OVER for 100
    Line 2 – OVER for 100

    If Braun was able to fool everyone including himself I’m able to fool myself into believing I’m right on both of these!

  48. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    I’d like to nominate George ‘Breezin’ Benson.

  49. Patrick says:

    Well….that is assuming he does not retire after the season and we make him an offer that is enough for him.

  50. bizrow says:

    Two lines over for 100 each

    No such animal as calm in a playoff race

    Thanks Playoffs

  51. theplanisworking says:


  52. Arriba Wilver says:

    Also insurance.

  53. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’ll probably hurt more on the field than in the pocketbook for the Pirates.

  54. JohninOshkosh says:

    Well done.

  55. Arriba Wilver says:

    A large portion of the $7 mil will probably be paid by insurance.

  56. theplanisworking says:

    Milo, its always about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

    I do feel for bad for Wandy.

  57. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m impressed you know his name, Playoffs. ;-)

  58. Patrick says:

    Just a good thing NH signed Liriano for two years rather than one. If we can get AJ back and we will have Cole. So that would be a respectable 1-2-3 punch.

  59. Milo Hamilton says:

    Exactly. We haven’t had many of these situations, especially with big money involved.

  60. Brandie says:

    May I have 100 on the over for each line? Thank you!

  61. cosmo says:

    100 over on both lines.

  62. Ghost says:

    To TJ and Jandy and Everyone, re: Ryan Braun

    A-Rod is a cheater — he deserves all the contempt he gets. But he is no Ryan Braun. Braun is in a class by himself when it comes to being a miscreant.
    Maybe this was discussed here already, but I’m still revolted by what Jeff Passan reported on Braun three days ago:

  63. The Gunner says:

    Line 1 – UNDER for 100
    Line 2 – UNDER for 100

    I hope I am wrong about this

  64. Patrick says:

    At least there is good news – Grilli with 25 pitches today (sliders and fastballs) and no pain. Thinks he may be ready to go by start of Sept.

  65. Bill Born says:

    Line 1 under for 100

    Line 2 over for 100


    Thank You

  66. Dadtackular says:

    line 1 100 tootsie rolls on the under
    line 2 100 milk duds on the under

  67. theplanisworking says:

    I like your analogy, but I must make a small correction here.

    neal would never walk inot a Chipotle.
    Dairy Queen is more his speed.

  68. JohninOshkosh says:

    Line 1: 50 Lou’s Pier 47 /Over
    Line 2 50 Coit Tower/Over

  69. Brandie says:

    When Anything Goes, Everything Goes!

    Braun discredited a man to keep from getting caught with his hand in the steroid jar. He can blame it on the pursuit of fame, pressure from management, etc. Thing is he knew what he was doing.

  70. JohninOshkosh says:

    So far, the best acquisition for the Yankees this summer ? Ryan Dempster.

  71. theplanisworking says:

    Biz, you forgot this one from the Morning thread………

    Bigchinook says: August 22, 2013 at 11:11 am

    Hi Jandy, long time lurker. Niceville Fl is current hometown; yes it is”nice”! Grew up in Leetdale, joined the Air Force and retired in Florida. Never lost my love for my orginal hometown sports teams!

  72. Irish says:

    Who knows? I’ll go 50 Over for both lines.
    Let’s Go Bucs!
    Thanks, Playoffs!

  73. Arriba Wilver says:

    50 on the UNDER for both lines, please.

  74. Brandie says:

    Good evening all!

  75. Jason81 says:

    100 on the OVER for both lines, please!

  76. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Muppet.

  77. JohninOshkosh says:

    Hi Brandie !

    How’s tricks ?

  78. Brandie says:

    Trix are for kids…silly badger.

    Could not resist. Sending you good vibes!

  79. Brandie says:

    Trix are for kids…silly badger.

    Could not resist. Sending you good vibes!

    Hope life is good.

  80. Ghost says:

    His calculated campaign to defame and ruin that innocent man of being “anti-semetic” is just as repulsive as anti-semetism is. Braun is excrement.

  81. Lad9 says:

    Line 1 100 Master Lockes on the over
    Line 2. 100 Jones Sodas also on the over

    Going optimistic tonight. Thank you Playoffs. Go Buccos!!

  82. Brandie says:

    I loved the video on the other thread, though I do believe you are beyond Emily Post, Planadu.

  83. Keith says:

    I’ll go OVER for both, since that’s how we’ll win. 100 on each.

  84. Brandie says:


  85. Brandie says:

    With apologies to excrement, seriously.

  86. Ghost says:

    Good point.

  87. Milo Hamilton says:

    Even Papi’s terrified now. Here they come.

  88. Milo Hamilton says:

    Luke Kuechly is absolutely ridiculous.

  89. Ghost says:

    (I misspelled “anti-Semitic.”)

  90. Brandie says:

    At least excrement serves a purpose.

  91. Brandie says:

    It’s OK…I knew what you meant.

  92. Karen22 says:

    100 on the OVER for each line.

  93. theplanisworking says:

    How did you remove all that armor form your keister?? ;)

  94. JaxBuc says:

    Well, some interesting lines to play on our foibles, there, Mr. Playoffs. I have religiously bet differently than our friend Biz since the all-star break. He is still in last place and I’ve gone from breaking even to about 700 in the hole. How is this possible? I think it’s Garrett Jones’ fault actually, or possibly Justin Morneau’s, although I may be confused (may be???).

    So, in the interest of shaking things up, I expect an awesome performance by all involved tonight. Please sir, may I have 100 McCovey Cove kayaks on the OVER for both lines?

  95. theplanisworking says:

    I am still laughing at that.
    Good to see you here tonight.

  96. theplanisworking says:

    Wow, Playoffs, these are sucker lines tonight. Well played.

    I will take 100 pumpkin-eating Hippos on the UNDER for both lines.

    PS — Jones should be on the bench til further notice.

  97. Brandie says:

    Hugs and vibes all around, Hippothagorean Theorem!

  98. Thundercrack says:

    1) Is it possible that Wandy sees Dr. Andrews and he won’t need surgery? Let’s hope so.
    And I would not be so quick to think that insurance is going to cover the cost of his salary if he can’t pitch next year. I remember reading when ARod was injured in the beginning of the year, Cashman said that not all contracts are insured – and not all 100%

    2) Since it looks like we’re not getting Morneau and it might be because of the money – maybe the FO knew about Wandy and decided they are going to need the money to
    a) pay Wandy not to pitch in 2014
    b) and pay his replacement to pitch in 2014

    I know, I know…’s just monopoly money :-)

  99. BDHumbert says:

    Call me crazy – but i will go 100 on the over on both…

    And I will be sleeping when it all happens – have to get up early and take care of the best grand daughters in the world – I am soooooo blessed…

  100. theplanisworking says:


  101. JohninOshkosh says:


  102. Michael DE pitt says:

    I was just thinking when we claimed Farnsworth

    Next yr we can be like the 70’s cryers or the yanks
    The Yanks would buy the best player on the team that beat them (catfish, etc) and the cryers would pummel the other teams best player.

    We will have Farnsworth (google Farnsworth fights ( better waste of roster space than old McDonald, Ingy, etc)) and Taillon who thought that the WBC fight was fun.

    send out Farnsworth to pinch hit then charge the mound and no one will mess with JT if he hits them

    just having fun with this but maybe we should get more guys that played hockey.
    These two like to fight

    We cant buy players like the yanks did but we can take them out

    I wonder if McSorley can get a baseball 60,

  103. Lad9 says:

    DANDY BRANDIE! Great post up above. I am a big saber metric follower, but a bigger observation guy. The eye test is the true gauge IMHO.

  104. Brandie says:

    Dear Blog Posters,

    I am the Real Deal. I have not pitched above my head!


    Jeff Locke’s Hair.

  105. florida steeler says:

    Hope he stays healthy–best middle linebacker in a long time. A class act also.

  106. Brandie says:

    It is a huge concern…ducks on the pond and you can’t get em’ in? Wow!

  107. Arriba Wilver says:

    C’mon, TC. The risk averse BMTIB has insurance on Wandy. And insurance is rarely 100%. If they don’t, Mr. Nutting may fire Frank.

    See, there’s a silver lining in everything.

  108. Brandie says:

    Supremely Seconded. When GB makes it, I want to nominate Johnny Unitas!

  109. Lad9 says:

    Sometimes you need a new shotgun, but most times you need a new hunter.

  110. bizrow says:

    Not sure who Mr Brenson is

    Johnny U

    A tremendous QB, from the burgh

    Its our list, but need some discussion

  111. Ghost says:

    It’s still in there. :(
    Little pieces are coming out every time I have a Braun movement. :(

  112. bizrow says:

    Looking forward to Wednesday, and for other reasons than over the hump day ;-)

    I can’t believe that 3 million in monopoly money is stopping NH

    I think its the talent cost

  113. Drew71 says:

    That’s not armor

  114. bizrow says:

    Look folks, just sayin

    We are ahead right now, that could and probably will change.

    The club has to keep their heads straight

    So do we??

  115. Thundercrack says:

    I remember at the time we got Wandy there was a lot written about the future health of Wandy and how the number of innings that he had pitch made him a ‘ticking time bomb’.

    Still a good trade for us.

    I wonder if the Astros and the Pirates have insurance policies on him?

  116. JD says:

    100 on the over for both lines please.

    Go Bucs!

  117. JRay3 says:

    Want to sneak this in on 2 line Thursday.

    Line 1 – 75 on the OVER

    Line 2 – 75 on the OVER

    Thanks and Go Bucs.

  118. Arriba Wilver says:

    So you’re suggesting maybe they couldn’t get insurance because of those concerns? Anything is possible.

  119. Arriba Wilver says:


  120. OK, tonight’s game has some serious subplots:

    ——Can Jeff Locke’s performance prove he is a better option to be #3 Starter in rotation than “all potential, lukewarm performance” Gerrit Cole?

    ——Can Jordy Mercer start fielding the ball better? He is missing too many plays that Barmes makes. I want my shortstop MOST IMPORTANTLY to field the ball!

    ——Can the “hidden vigorish” finally take effect for Garret Jones? It’s bad when some are calling for #8 Option outfielder Felix Pie instead of what Jones can give to this team. There is no other Pirate outfielder who has proven at the Major League level that he can give to the Pirates what Jones potentially can give. But Garrett Jones need to start doing it!! The Bucs need him!

    ——Which Jose Tabata shows up?

    ——I STILL hate Russell Martin batting #5! (my own personal subplot)

  121. Thundercrack says:

    Could be.
    He was 33 when we got him. Maybe the premium on a 33 year old pitcher who has pitched a lot of innings may have been pretty expensive. Maybe they thought it would be worth the gamble of not insuring him- an not spend the money on the premium.

  122. JRay3 says:

    Paul Maholm throwing a typical Maholm game staked to 2-1 lead in 5th, falls apart and gives up three runs and three consecutive doubles, 4-2 Cards.

  123. theplanisworking says:

    I would like to humbly nominate Mr. Barney Dreyfuss, who brought many talented players from his Louisville team to Pittsburgh, built the finest ballpark at the time, ensuring the Pirates would forever remain in Pittsburgh.

    Thank You.

  124. blazer says:

    I’ll take the over on both lines for 100 please.

  125. theplanisworking says:

    Um, got this in time!

    I would like to change my wager to 25 Hippos on each line.
    Thats 25 Hippos on each line.

    Thank You!

  126. theplanisworking says:

    Good One!

  127. KenKopp says:

    Lets go Bucs!

    For some reason I feel this a real important night.

    Go Buccos

  128. theplanisworking says:

    Why do you have a hard time $3 million is stopping neal?
    Are you joking?

  129. kr70 says:

    line 2 100 on the over and thanks

  130. pattonbb says:

    1. Anyone else get the feeling that we’ll never see Wandy on the mound as a Bucco again?

    2. I hope that lying piece of excrement Braun gets to face Max Sherzer, Dempster, and Jeff Karstens next year.

  131. Bob Hasis says:

    FYI, Mercer and Barmes each have nine errors at SS and Mercer has fielded more chances so he obviously has more range. Mercer has three add’l errors at 2B.

    So your “dead horse” is confirmed, so stop whipping him, which I presume Barmes isn’t athletic enough to handle.

  132. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s had to put on at least 30 pounds.

  133. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s everything they always tried to convince me Brian Urlacher was.

  134. Arriba Wilver says:

    Certainly a possibility, but my gut tells me when millions of dollars are involved, if it’s not worth insuring, it doesn’t get done. Unless it’s someone else’s money.

  135. Thundercrack says:

    Is this his first start off the DL?

  136. theplanisworking says:

    Now this is a great start to a game !!!

    Need more of this……. Pirates 3-10 in their last 13 at SF.

  137. JRay3 says:

    Wow three straight hits to start game, after four all of yesterday. Encouraging to see them get to Cain early as he often times can settle in.

  138. Bob Hasis says:

    . . . .a little awkward writing on my part. My last phrase should be connected to,
    Mercer has three add’l errors at 2B, which I presume Barmes isn’t athletic enough to handle.
    (That amends my criticism of your entry)

    Plus Mercer hits a little better – 50 points or so

  139. Lad9 says:

    Nice start. Would love to raise Cain’s ERA in a very short outing tonight. I hope we are able to.

  140. Thundercrack says:

    Wandy gets fixed up, gives the Buccos a ‘new hometown’ discount, and pitches for the Pirates until he is 37.

    (I’m going to light a candle now)

  141. Milo Hamilton says:

    Looks like it Thunder. Lists his last start as July 20th.

  142. Lad9 says:

    I never bought into the Urlacher hype either. This guy is the real deal though.

  143. theplanisworking says:


    But we only got one.
    Need to step up, Lad.

  144. Lad9 says:

    Russell Martin in the 5 hole just lived down to your expectations Groat. Doggone it.

  145. Lad9 says:

    Don’t I know it my friend. And we swung at a pitch on the ground and hit a harmless bouncer. The 5&6 holes really hurt us. Martin is a 7 hitter and GI is not a major league hitter as of late.

  146. Arriba Wilver says:

    This from Bob Smizik Tuesday:

    “Interesting bit of information from Jay Jaffe at Noting the batting average of balls in play for the Pirates pitching staff has gone from .277 to .334 since the All-Star game, he wrote, `that has something to do with the offense/defense tradeoff of playing Jordy Mercer (.277/.331/.402, −1 Defensive Runs Saved) instead of Clint Barmes (.226/.269/.318, +9 DRS) at shortstop.'”

  147. Have you not been watching the games, Hasty Bob?

    In the last 3-4 weeks Mercer has had a significant number of balls that he has touched that were eventually (I thing incorrectly too often) ruled as hits. Mercer has NOT been the infielder that Pirates want the ball hit toward recently!

    I cannot believe you, Hasty Bob, are reverting to NUMBERS to make your case!!!

    I like Jordy Mercer, but he can’t carry Barmes’ jock in the field!

  148. Great stats, Wilver Dornel!

    Sounds like was a wise man——oh yeah, that was ME!——said above.

  149. theplanisworking says:

    Lad, whatever are you talking about GI not being a ML hitter as of late.

    Just read the blog, there are plenty of posters who feel GI is better than anyone that can be acquired. He just needs to “find his groove”.
    Like, since the beginning of the year………………….

  150. Bob Hasis says:

    That’s a myth, and Mercer’s arm is far better.

    This entire blog uses numbers, but as was stated in an earlier thread, observation is a fair measuring stick.

    I know you know this; Barmes throws on the run, off of the wrong foot BECAUSE he has such a pathetically weak arm.

    Don’t rebut this fact. Next question!

  151. Thundercrack says:

    what if those balls in play are line drives to the outfield?
    Does Mercer get blamed for those?


  152. Hopefully that will pick up Jonesy by going deep to the Cove!!! 2-0 Buccos!

  153. theplanisworking says:

    OH MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!




  154. JRay3 says:

    How about that GI Jones blast one in his first AB, HR #12 and the over on him wins.

  155. JaxBuc says:

    Thank you, Garrett.

  156. Bob Hasis says:

    One of our astute colleagues virtually and really called this shot earlier

  157. Lad9 says:

    Can’t understand how I got all of this egg over my face. But I am very glad to wipe it off and smile. Way to go GI!

  158. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Please read my previous post on Jones vs Cain.

    That is all.

    Giants announcers are saying that Cain is off. That pitch was right down the pipe.

  159. Jason81 says:

    I’m checking outside my house for flying pigs…or maybe flying hippos.

    And now Mercer!!!!

  160. theplanisworking says:



    3-0 good guys.

  161. JRay3 says:

    Lad – Jones said that Hr was for you, just messin with you!

  162. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Thanks Bob….assuming you’re referring to me.

  163. Lad9 says:

    I took the over too. :)

  164. Jordy going deep as well. 3-0 Buccos!!!!

  165. Thundercrack says:

    Not so fast….don’t start to pack your bags yet Mr. Morneau.

  166. Bob Hasis says:

    That bat of Mercer was sitting on the bench last night.


  167. JRay3 says:

    Three runs, five hits, two homeruns in first eight batters of night, yeah I had that.

  168. Awesome comment +10

  169. Jay H says:

    I’d like to see the stat on which MLB club has the most solo HRs this year. Seems like we’ve got a ton of them

  170. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    One game, young dude.

  171. The Gunner says:


    Garrett came thru, let’s hope this is the start of something good for this fine, young man.

  172. Bob Hasis says:


  173. Lad9 says:

    We’re not worthy… Good call Ryan.

    Also good luck on your relo btw.

  174. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    @Milo(if he’s around)

    Guess who I just saw on my TV?

  175. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I’m fortunate to watch both these teams as much as possible.

  176. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    In case you can’t tell, Cains a FB pitcher. This is just the guy the Buccos needed to face.

  177. Bob Hasis says:

    Someone in this crowd prefers CB over JM at SS, because of some Greek myth about being a better fielder.
    WE have been screaming here for offense. A man batting .275+ compared to a slug hitting near .220. has to play not sit and watch

  178. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s what I thought. :-)

  179. Lad9 says:

    It’s all good. I was one of those guys who thought we just had to wait for him to get hot that Hippo mentioned until the last couple days and then I just couldn’t stand it anymore. I hope he dunks a few more this series!

  180. theplanisworking says:

    Flying Hippos……….. HA !!!

  181. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He’s getting the majority of the starts.

    Calm down Bob. Jordys in the game.

  182. theplanisworking says:

    That chick from SF Television?

  183. Bob Hasis says:

    Did we not lose 2-1. Hmmm, wonder if he had a HR in his bat last night, but now we’ll never know, and we still lost.

  184. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    To quote Mrs. Nor Cal,

    To watch your team struggle: painful. Watching them get shelled by your husband’s team: excruciating.

    Ha ha

    Yes, she’s hearing about it.

  185. Bob Hasis says:

    Give Roethlisberger the “majority of starts” and see what happens.

    Not a perfect simile, but like cartoon likenesses, not a perfect match either

  186. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Yes…but Milo knows her by name…

  187. Arriba Wilver says:

    -1, +9

    And I prefer Jordy because of the offense, but don’t have any problem how Clint’s using them.

  188. theplanisworking says:

    Wasnt she the one that gets held by the Giants players and they douse her with water?

  189. Milo Hamilton says:

    Amy G !

  190. Lad9 says:

    I have nothing but the utmost respect for Groat’s sporting acumen. He is one of the gold standards on this blog. But I do not believe that Barmes is currently a better fielder than Mercer. The numbers are tilted toward Mercer, and the eye test tells me that Barmes gifts – the quick hands and release – no longer make up for his lack of fundamentals and his decreasing range. Just my opinion ( as well as Bob’s obviously).

  191. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not that I know of

  192. Bob, Bob, Bob!

    Next question?! Your prejudice is causing you to close both your eyes and your ears.

    Mercer has an average arm at best at short. That’s why he projected earlier as a 2nd baseman and not a shortstop. But Pirates have no one else in system, so they threw him in at short.

    Barmes uses a completely different STYLE of throwing than Mercer: Barmes throws on the run and Mercer sets his feet and loads up to throw.

    If you would time the instant the ball touches both gloves, Barmes, with your claimed “weaker arm” probably gets the ball to 1st baseman’s glove quicker than Jordy.

    I’m not dissing Mercer, but Barmes is a significantly better fielder than Jordy Mercer . . . . and I want the shortstop on my winning team to be FIRST a solid defensive player.

  193. Jay H says:

    Locke may be back….letting everyone get on and stranding them, just like old times.

  194. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You’re right…

    Not a good analogy at all.

    16 games vs 162.

  195. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Yes sir! I see her often.

  196. Arriba Wilver says:


  197. theplanisworking says:

    I might be thinking of another teams chick.

  198. Rad Lad,

    Read Wilver Dornel’s stats above at 10:33 where Mercer is listed 10 runs WORSE defensively since the All Star break than Barmes.

    Not just my eyes but Wilver Dornel’s stats.

  199. JRay3 says:

    El Toro goes opposite field and rips a double, tough break that it bounced over wall as Cutch would have scored easily.

  200. theplanisworking says:

    Alvarez showing he doesnt need to pull the ball every time to be effective.

    Need to get these runs.

  201. JRay3 says:

    Nothing like in-home bragging rights.

  202. Darn!!

    I sure wish I had been wrong about Martin in the 5 hole!! That’s twice.

    Come on, Garrett Jones!

  203. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I’m with you on that Groat. Not a fan either.

  204. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I also agree with you on the SS conversation from up top.

  205. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Garrett just missed that pitch.

  206. Ghost says:

    Me too — no problem with how’re they’re used.

  207. theplanisworking says:

    Billy Groat, I guess we just have to pick our poison.

    Do we want a good fielding SS who hits .212?
    Or a SS that hits .280 and is adequate in the field?

    Personally I would like to see a combination of the two, but I didnt take my meds today.

  208. BreakTheStreak says:

    Geez Martin:( He does not hit we’ll with RISP. Luv his defense and leadership but he’s not a 5 hitter. He never even hits sac flies. Ever!

  209. Bob Hasis says:

    But you get my drift – Majority, majority (key Jim Mora)

  210. KenKopp says:

    We are in a penat race kids. And speaking just for me, this is fun.

  211. Ghost says:

    Yes, you are a one-man (hippopotamian) parade!

  212. florida steeler says:

    Martin should not be batting in front of Mercer. What are we thinking??

  213. Ghost says:

    Yes, he’s been noticeably going oppo this road trip. Great development.

  214. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  215. Ghost says:

    Certain friends of ours will certainly blame Leyva for sending Cutch in the 3rd. But Cutch clearly made that decision to go, himself. Oh well. Cain doesn’t field and flip that perfectly and the gamble pays off.

  216. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    And I doubt Ben starts all 16 anyway

  217. Milo Hamilton says:

    Absolute torture.

  218. Thundercrack says:

    If Tony Sanchez doesn’t catch on Tuesdays he should host “Twitter Tuesday”

    Btw…whatever happened to that?

  219. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Worth the risk on Cutchs part, especially up 3-0


  221. JohninOshkosh says:

    Krukow: “Pence swang at that like it’s the first curveball he’s ever seen.”

  222. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t know if the DRS is just from the All Star break. Probably not since it was listed along with their then current batting stats. All I had was the SI quote from Smiz. The point of the excerpt, though, was that Barmes is measurably better defensively, at least this year, and it’s certainly reasonable to conclude that the change in the pitching staff’s BABIP since the All Star break has something to do with the different play at SS defensively.

  223. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Jeff Locke would have 7 strikeouts if he were facing the Pirates.

  224. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I was rolling….best analyst in the biz

  225. Locke’s doing everything he can to give all those runs back. Come on Bucs add on!!!

  226. Lad9 says:

    The Yankees do that to their field reporter.

  227. florida steeler says:

    Locke was very fortunate that inning.

  228. theplanisworking says:

    After reading the Smizik piece, I hope you took a shower.

    Tomorrow, he will put up a piece totally opposite of what you say he posted today.

    Like I told Groat above, I guess we just have to pick our poison at SS.

  229. florida steeler says:

    Could Gaby beat the pierogie in a race???

  230. Brandie says:

    It’s corn and buckshot.

  231. JohninOshkosh says:

    Cain is done with injury.

  232. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates knocked Matt Cain out of the box in the 4th …

  233. North Cali Ryan,

    You are the most handsome man I know in North Cali!!

  234. theplanisworking says:

    I just super slo-mo’d the play.
    Sanchez was safe by a step.

  235. Arriba Wilver says:

    He was quoting an SI reporter. I assume he quoted it correctly.

  236. Milo Hamilton says:

    Oliver. Maybe.

  237. JRay3 says:

    Gaby does not have anything to show for that rip, but he does get Cain out early…pen going to have to work tonight, great opening for Bucs.

  238. theplanisworking says:

    I know. That wasnt my point. ;)

  239. If it wasn’t torture, it wouldn’t be a pennant race.

    Many people don’t remember the anguish of 90-91-92.

    Or 74, 78.

  240. florida steeler says:

    +5, at least.

  241. Jason81 says:

    They realized doing commentary on a team in a pennant race was more important than trying to decipher what was in a tweet from Jimbo12345 from Blawnox?

  242. JohninOshkosh says:

    CSN trivia question: Name the last Pirate to lead NL in homers ?

  243. Arriba Wilver says:


  244. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Tyler Glasnow struck out 13 in 5 innings tonight with 0 hits for WV tonight. However, he did walk 5 as well. Yes, it’s only single A, but he’s showing more dominance at this stage than Cole and Taillon.

  245. Brandie says:


    Also sounds like a Broadway Musical.

  246. Milo Hamilton says:

    Stargell – 1973 ?

  247. JohninOshkosh says:

    Haven’t given the answer yet, but I think your correct.

  248. The way Cain was pitching tonight, it is a blow to the PIRATES that Cain was knocked out of the game.

  249. Wilver Dornel Stargell —— 48, right?

  250. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I appreciate that Groat….I hear that quite often

  251. Milo Hamilton says:

    They’re gonna need more than 3.

  252. theplanisworking says:

    Amazing Crime dog led the NL with only 35 HR’s in 1992.
    Bonds couldnt top that mark.

  253. florida steeler says:

    definitely Willie.

  254. theplanisworking says:

    48 in 1971.
    44 in 1973.

  255. Brandie says:

    Prayers for Matt Cain. Hate to see someone go down that way.

    Widsh it was Ryan Braun.

  256. JohninOshkosh says:

    Aging hippie happy to get a foul ball.

  257. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Amy G

  258. Willie should have won MVP in 1971.

    I think they gave it to Johnny Bench.

  259. Brandie says:

    His head was too big…threw off his timing and rhythm.

  260. Lad9 says:

    The numbers I usually look at for the SS are how many balls does he get to and does he field them. Mercer gets to about half a ball more per 9 innings and his fielding % is slightly higher. Half a ball doesn’t sound like much, but it is 81 over the course of a year. The difference in their DRS is the amount of double plays turned, where Barmes is ahead by 12 which is of course huge. He is better on both the turn and the feed, I can’t dispute that. But I will take Mercer on the grounders, and I see him getting better all the time. Not as much of a slam dunk as I thought before seeing the DRS, but I still take Jordy first with the bat and the glove. We can pleasantly agree to disagree.

  261. theplanisworking says:

    well said.


  262. Milo Hamilton says:

    Joe Torre.

  263. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wearing a black winter parka so don’t get too excited blogosphere!

  264. theplanisworking says:


    Nice one, Brandandimal!

  265. Thundercrack says:

    Love the prospect !

  266. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is only a matter of time, isn’t it ?

  267. theplanisworking says:


    Of course Kate Upton looked good in a parka.

  268. Lad9 says:

    It beats the snot out of 2010, or 1998, or…you get the idea.

  269. Brandie says:

    Barry Bonds…Human Bobble Head!

  270. JohninOshkosh says:

    Stargell 44 HR in 1973-official answer on CSN.

    Then cut to a gu wearing a Stargell jersey.

  271. JohninOshkosh says:


  272. theplanisworking says:

    Human balloon head. ;)

  273. Karen22 says:

    Yep. I don’t like the feel of this game…going to bed. GET IT TOGETHER, Bucs!

  274. J Walter Weatherman says:

    If Wandy isn’t able to come back, it could be a big blow to the Bucs. With Locke obviously wearing down, they are left without a reliable 3rd starter. Morton is okay for back of the rotation and Cole’s innings will be limited. The strength (pitching) may become a weakness at the wrong time. I wonder if they’ll think about moving Gomez back to the rotation, although he’s only good for 5 innings.

  275. Milo Hamilton says:


  276. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    She is SF. That’s all they can wear.

  277. JohninOshkosh says:

    Whole new ballgame.

    Wife next to me is telling me to get off the computer cause the monitor light is bugging her…

    When the boss says jump I know to say “how high?”

    Night everyone!

  278. Lad9 says:

    Up late tonight Dynomuppet. Good to see you! :)

  279. theplanisworking says:

    Sadly, the voting wasnt even close.

    318-222 Torre.

  280. Milo Hamilton says:

    That was the only year in the 70’s they had a losing record. And still had a chance, lost to Randy Jones in a make-up game the day after the season was supposed to end.

  281. J Walter Weatherman says:

    I’d be surprised if Locke makes his next scheduled start.

  282. florida steeler says:

    Get Locke out of there.

  283. JRay3 says:

    Great stab by Gaby saves a run.

  284. Locke owes Gaby a steak dinner for saving his bacon there. That shot had go-ahead run written all over it. Tie game now at 3.

  285. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Remember when Jeff Locke missed his final start before the All-Star break with a tight back?

    Is it possible that injury was a little bit more than just a “tight back”?

  286. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Prepare to be surprised.

  287. So far on the night two of Locke’s free passes have come around to score. THROW STRIKES!

  288. J Walter Weatherman says:

    I know what you’re saying, but I just get a feeling that this was the last straw. He’ll either go on the 15 day DL or just skip a start.

  289. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    With them trying to limit Cole’s innings, Locke will not miss a start until they call some people up in September.

    Gotta hope he can struggle through 2 more starts at a minimum.

  290. Cutch being thrown out at home earlier is now looming large since it is a tie game.

  291. JRay3 says:

    HBP, than walk as Giants reliever struggling with command, meat of the order coming up would be big to answer Giants runs here.

  292. J Walter Weatherman says:

    They may need to use Gomez and Cumpton to spot Locke and Cole. As I noted in another post, if Wandy doesn’t come back this season, that could be a big problem for the Buccos.

  293. theplanisworking says:

    Who needs CSN??

    Our blog had that answer a long time ago. ;)

  294. JRay3 says:

    Here is the opening thanks to Giants pen, bases loaded sans a single hit and new guy coming in, time for the crooked number.

  295. theplanisworking says:

    Bases loaded, none out.
    This is where the Pirates struggle.

    They need at least 2 runs here!

  296. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    How many runs score this inning?
    Place your bets! Place your bets!

  297. Milo Hamilton says:


    Didn’t Bumgarner go through something similar to Locke last year ?

  298. theplanisworking says:

    PEDRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  299. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  300. theplanisworking says:

    PEDRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  301. JRay3 says:

    Pedro drills the lefty for a two RBI double, he has been torrid this west coast swing. Second double of night, 5-3 Buccos still nobody out.

  302. theplanisworking says:

    PEDRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  303. Pedro with another left-center ground rule double scores two to make it 5-3 and no out and two still on. Come on Russell and Jonesy!

  304. JRay3 says:

    Certainly will take the sac fly there, three spot in the fifth.

  305. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    A sac fly!!!!
    Shiver me timbers!!

  306. theplanisworking says:

    Martin with a sac fly!!!

    6-3 good guys.

  307. Arriba Wilver says:

    The Pirates are an offensive juggernaut.

    Russell Martin with a sacrifice fly.

    Yes, I’m trying to be annoying. :-P

  308. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    What exactly is a cove?

  309. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    You are geologically sound.
    Can you give me an accurate description?

  310. Milo Hamilton says:

    Smuggler’s Cove is mini golf in Bradenton.

  311. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    2 sac flys in one inning??!!??
    Who are the guys?

  312. theplanisworking says:

    2 sac flies in one inning!

    PLAN THE PARADE !!!!!!!!!!!!

    7-3 good guys.

  313. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I would’ve sent El Toro if the 2nd baseman caught it. Stop that bull.

  314. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    As a child I went to Captain’s Cove in Milford, CT.

  315. Arriba Wilver says:

    “A cove is a small type of bay or coastal inlet. Coves usually have narrow, restricted entrances, are often circular or oval, and are often situated within a larger bay. Wikipedia”

    Geologically unsound Arriba

  316. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Check out the big brain on Arriba!
    I’m giving you a Playoffs pat-on-the-back for that one.

  317. lupesanchez says:

    One of the weirder games of the year.

  318. JRay3 says:

    Gaby knocking out Cain looms large, and adds sac fly to boot as Bucs put up a 4 spot on Giants pen that walks three, hits one, and gives up hit to Locke.

    Huge response by Bucs offense.

  319. theplanisworking says:

    Cove: a small bay or coastal inlet.
    Frequented by Pirates.

  320. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Can an estuary have a cove?
    How about an atoll, can it have a cove as well?
    Do you find coves around isthmuses?

    I have so many cove related questions.

  321. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    As in high walk rate?

    Not that I can recall. Bum was BA from what I can remember.

    Really earned his new contract.

    Though he’s a lefty as well, not the same type of pitcher. More of a power lefty. Good curve ball and change up, but relies on the FB much more than Locke.

  322. Arriba Wilver says:

    Just Google :-D

  323. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    This inning has been a thing of absolute BEAUTY!

  324. JRay3 says:

    TABATA bases clearing double and the rout is on, 7 run inning, 10-3 Buccos!

  325. JOSE! JOSE! JOSE! JOSE!! 10-3 Buccos!!!

  326. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Seriously at this point…. I’m going to be sleeping in the couch.

    I thought the Pirates offense was bad.

  327. theplanisworking says:


    Giants bullpen stinks !!!

    10-3 good guys!

  328. Arriba Wilver says:

    Justin who?

  329. Milo Hamilton says:

    I feel so bad for Jeff Locke right now. This is completely unfair. Unless of course his arm is falling off.

  330. JRay3 says:

    Wow, when is the last time we have seen the Bucs send 11 to the plate in an inning?

  331. Sorry Playoffs for being late to the request there. Trying to finish up copying some photos to my website.

  332. theplanisworking says:

    Take extra pillows…………. she may not let you back in the bedroom for a week if this keeps up. ;)

  333. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    I have cove related questions for you.
    Since you are the resident scientist/geologist on the blog, I thought I’d ask you.

  334. Jay H says:

    Played there about a month ago

  335. Nate83 says:

    It is still important for Locke to get through 6 innings to help the bullpen.

  336. J Walter Weatherman says:

    A great way to start a series when you’re eating up opposing relievers. This also allows more leeway with Locke – can potentially leave him in a couple more innings, even if the Giants score a couple of runs. This would definitely help, with “5-inning” Charlie Morton on the hill against Bumgarner tomorrow.

    Refreshing to see them look efficient offensively.

  337. Jason81 says:

    Jim Tracy approves of this move. 73 pitches is just to much in the thin air of…oh, wait.

  338. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Your point was made more efficiently than mine.

  339. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    This may be the new norm for Locke.

    Locke goes 4.
    Gomez goes 3.
    Sharks clean up the last 2.

  340. Thundercrack says:

    Clint Hurdle has had his foot on the pedal the whole year.
    He is only concerned with wins. He wants to break the streak.

  341. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    It’s all good man.

    Can an estuary have a cove?
    How about an atoll, can it have a cove as well?
    Do you find coves around isthmuses?

    I have so many cove related questions.

  342. Arias did not play that ball Mercer hit properly. It went for a hit. Bucs scored a passel of runs after Arias didn’t field that fieldable ball.

    THAT’S why a shortstop MUST be an excellent fielder. All earned runs because official scorer ruled Mercer’s knock a hit. But that ball should have been fielded, and tossed to 2nd for force out.

  343. Milo Hamilton says:

    Carrabbas right next door. Always a nice double.

  344. Thundercrack says:

    I feel bad that Jeff Locke didn’t pitch better.

  345. tdb1977 says:

    What a thing of beauty this game is turning into. 10 freaking runs and its only in the 5th inning. Really would like to see the bats stay hot tonight, tomorrow, and throughout the weekend. This road trip has been really good for the Bucs.

  346. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    How quickly we forget how Mr. Locke struggled through the last 2 innings.
    Gomez hasn’t pitched since Saturday.

    Give him the ball and see how many outs he can get for you.
    Gotta play for the win tonight.

  347. What was the year that Bench beat out Stargell unfairly?


  348. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    With the game out of hand and a semi-decent outing by Locke, the Pirates pull him to save his arm down the stretch.

    I would’ve liked 1 more inning to get him the win, but this is a big picture move.

    For those that want the Pirates to think of the pennant race, they should love this move.

    The flip side is, the BP gets hit again but that’s why Jeanmar is out there.

  349. Arriba Wilver says:


  350. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  351. theplanisworking says:

    + a bunch of wagers.

  352. Arriba Wilver says:


  353. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    Arias was behind the bag, that ball would’ve been a hit regardless, I believe.

  354. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Bullpen hasn’t pitched much this week, and Gomez hasn’t pitched since Saturday.
    Play for the win.
    Love the move by Hurdle.

  355. Ghost says:

    Pretty astute surmisal by the Giant broadcasters on why Locke was probably shut down. And it also speaks to why he probably has been struggling. Lit bit of fatigue in this, basically his rookie year. Good move by Clint, great job by the bats allowing the move.
    Meanwhile, Giants’ bullpen is being taxed again. Sets us up well for this long series.

  356. Thundercrack says:

    Locke was tired from running the bases


  357. Lad9 says:

    Good thing the Giants started their backup SS tonight. A player like Crawford or Mercer, (OK Barmes too) gobbles that up. :)

  358. theplanisworking says:


  359. Thundercrack says:

    After we scored the 10th run I was going to ask what would we talk (bitch) about tomorrow.

    I think I know.

  360. theplanisworking says:

    This just in…………………… Giants Bullpen stinks!

  361. An aside for tonight for those still up watching this thing, but here are some links to photos from my website from Pittsburgh (throughout this year), and some Gettysburg Reenactment photos that I participated in at the end of June:

    And from other years:
    Enjoy! I got a long drive in the morning so I may be heading to bed now. Go Bucs!

  362. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tongue was firmly planted there.

  363. Playoffs, I’ll have to get back to you on that since I’m tired and have to get up early tomorrow. I saw the questions above and laughed when I read them. Good stuff there.

  364. Thundercrack says:

    Ha! I’m up too late Milo

  365. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Take your time man.
    It’s a long series.

  366. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Look at you man!
    Defending the angle from Pickett’s Charge!

    The off to Little Round Top to repel another attack.
    His name is marching on…….

  367. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  368. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I have Morneau penciled in again, but it can be erased and pushed back a day or two.

  369. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nobody does from where he was positioned.

  370. Bob Hasis says:

    Biz, they are now talking about the senor from Altoona who houses Latin players there. He once housed Roberto Clemente.

    Wouldn’t he be an honorable name for your List of Outstanding Citizens – unless he is already there?

  371. Bob Hasis says:

    I am impressed with the number of GREAT swings many of the guys are getting.

    It really helps to watch – and see – the ball all the way in, doesn’t it?

  372. Ghost says:

    They’re going to be flat out rancid if our bats hold up like this for the series.

  373. theplanisworking says:

    Dont bother penciling Morneau in, ever.
    He stinks, isnt an upgrade, costs too much, and requires giving up a prospect. ;)

  374. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    3/4 ain’t bad plan.

  375. theplanisworking says:

    Ryan, the above is said about any player the Pirates were to acquire.

    If all the players truly stink, the Pirates should have 100 wins already.

  376. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    THIS is the Jared Hughes I remember.

  377. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Hughes sucks

  378. JRay3 says:

    Cutch makes that grab, inserting Pie in CF leads to two runs, and now CH not taking any more chances as Hughes has short underwhelming outing and Watson is summoned.

  379. JRay3 says:

    Watson makes Noonan look silly on three quick pitches to get the punch out and move to the 9th.

  380. Ghost says:

    Cutch makes that grab AND probably has enough margin to slow down without crashing into the wall as hard. But if there had to be a crash, I’m actually glad it was not Cutch.

  381. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    BUT…Pie can now go on the DL.
    Welcome back Mr. Lambo.

    Life gave us lemonade this time.

  382. theplanisworking says:

    I have some special surprises for you in and around the Pond tonight.

    If I were you, I would steer clear. ;)

    Have a great night fellas.

    I can now relax for the next 3 weeks, Jones hit that HR tonight.

  383. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Good win.
    7 more left!!
    Night all.

  384. JRay3 says:

    Behind a seven run fifth inning, five RBI’s between Alvarez and Tabata and three shutout innings turned in by Jeanmar Gomez, the Bucs step all over the Giants 10-5 to take the opener of this four game set and there was noooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Bucs improve to 75-52 (did not win 75th game last season until Sep. 23rd), remain one game up in the Central while increasing their lead to 9.5 games for a playoff spot. The Pirates are now 3-1 on this seven game west coast trip.

    The Bucs will look to make it two straight tomorrow night with Charlie Morton taking the ball for the Pirates.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  385. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    That was my eye test analysis.

  386. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Covered a lot of ground on that last pop up. I’m not100% sure Cutch makes that catch. Who cares really.

  387. Ghost says:

    Cutch does. He can jam. Pie looked fast and made a nice play. But gotta believe Cutch can cover even more ground and might even make that look not so hard.

  388. Jandy says:

    Thanks, Hipposter :)

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