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Final: Pirates 3, Giants 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (75-52) vs. San Francisco Giants (56-71)

Starters: RHP Charlie Morton vs. LHP Madison Bumgarner

Time: 10:15 p.m.

Site: AT&T Park, San Francisco

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Jordy Mercer, 3B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Russell Martin, C
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Josh Harrison, RF
  7. Neil Walker, 2B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Morton, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Travis Sawchik is on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. JaxBuc says:

    Mercer at THIRD?

  2. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Interesting to read that Cubs OF David DeJesus (not that I’m that big on him) was the part of another waiver deal today from Washington to TB.
    It looks like the Rays gave up something on the lines of a player to be named later or cash.
    Yeah….Real tough market out there.

    I loved DK’s quote in his chat today….
    “No one wants to hear it when a pitcher gives up a home run and says, Oh, well, he was a tough hitter. The business is about results.”

  3. JaxBuc says:

    One and a half major-league hitters in the bunch (Walker doesn’t count, because he’ll try hitting right handed)

  4. Thundercrack says:

    The Nats are getting a 22 year old pitcher. (Minor leaguer) . I also read that the Cubs knew that 4 AL teams were interested in DeJesus, so did the Nats. So the Nats claimed him and made the deal.

    And that really wasn’t one of the better analogies from DK today. IMHO

    DK: You’re right, TC. All that matters is that they try really hard.

  5. bizrow says:

    Marte must be pretty dinged up

    Oh well, sometimes you win ones you have no business doing

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  7. Drew71 says:

    Oh good. A spring training lineup.

  8. JohninOshkosh says:

    I agree with you, Daq. Rios and DeJesus basically cost garden variety minor leaguers.

    Just come out and say it, FC et al: $$$

  9. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Wow…A 22 year old pitcher to try to strengthen your chance to go to the World Series.
    What an outrage!

  10. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    The last time or two that I saw Marte playing, I got the feeling he was real banged up.
    Hands, fingers…And more.
    I think they’re hoping he stays away from the DL….But I’m not so sure that won’t happen yet.

  11. Jim Brown says:

    Yay! Found my phone app so I can drop in between deriveries, Honorable Roonatics!

  12. Cmat0829 says:

    A few comments on the lineup, but the only real move that should cause any reaction is Pedro on the pine…..Marte is hurt, Jones sits vs lefties, and I doubt anyone truly wants Pie or Tony S playing……

  13. Jim Brown says:

    Drew, you were expecting maybe the 1927 Yankees?

  14. irishjim says:

    Will they be wearing the yellow jerseys? True the lineup is weak but I’m not against having the LHP bashers in the lineup while others get some much deserved rest.

  15. JAL says:

    Pirates had no chance at him, trams below them claimed him

  16. JAL says:

    Looks like Marte’s ill-advised attempt to steal 3rd last weekend may have landed him on the DL, Hear Lambo in route to SF

  17. Tom P. says:

    for some reason, I don’t have a problem with it. We know that Alvarez and Jones cannot hit lefties, so this lineup removes 4 strikeouts. The lineup won’t score 10 runs, but it might score 4. If insanity is trying the same thing and expecting a different result, this is worth a try for one night.

  18. T.S. says:

    Someone needs to tell Walker to drop the hitting right handed thing. Doesn’t help his cause to be a switch hitter. Concentrate on the left side.

  19. JohninOshkosh says:

    Had a chance at everyone before waivers. Epstein knew what he would get for him long before waiver period. And the Pirates knew they weren’t going to spend money. Yet instead they would rather insult our intelligence with the rough market narrative.

  20. JohninOshkosh says:

    I don’t really care that they didnt get DeJesus. Just don’t appreciate their spin jobs.

  21. JAL says:

    or could be Pie hurt

  22. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total Combined HITS + WALKS by Josh Harrison + Jordy Mercer + Clint Barmes in tonight’s game
    Line is 2.5

    Line #2
    Total STRIKEOUTS THROWN by Pirates Starting Pitchers in the 3 remaining games in San Francisco this weekend
    Line is 23.5

    Line #3
    Total INNINGS PITCHED by Mark Melancon in the 3 remaining games in San Francisco this weekend
    Line is 1.75

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    75 Down, only 7 more to go!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM & BREAK .500

  23. Lad9 says:

    Biz is there any secret to finding the league on Yahoo. I am scrolling through hundreds of names. Thanks

  24. Bill Born says:

    100 on each Please!

    Line 1 over

    Line 2 under

    Line 3 under

    Thank you.

  25. Arriba Wilver says:

    His OBP is still .318 against LH starters, and he seems to be improving against left handed pitchers lately, at least OBP. i dont know how to get those recent stats just against lefties. But not much in the way of alternatives in any event. And he isn’t going to start batting lefty against lefty in August.

  26. Arriba Wilver says:

    I heard they didn’t like Lambo. ;-)

  27. Bill Born says:

    Brandon Moss just hit # 21 in Baltimore-

    I always liked him.

    Too bad.

  28. Jason81 says:

    Line 1–100 on the OVER

    Line 2–100 on the UNDER

    Line 3–100 on the OVER

  29. cosmo says:

    line 1 100 on the under

    line 2 100 on the over

    line 3 100 on the over

  30. Daquido_Bazzini says:


  31. bizrow says:

    100 on over for all three lines

    No one is catching up on me, are they :-)

    As usual, great thanks to Playoffs and all that help

  32. bizrow says:

    Send me your e-mail

    I’ll send you an invite

    (I’m too dam old to figure out this internet stuff)

  33. Jandy says:


  34. Tom P. says:

    3-2 Brewers over Reds, top 6.

  35. Jandy says:

    Hey Jim! We didnt know you were Chinese? Or is that Japanese??

  36. Jandy says:


  37. JaxBuc says:

    Please sir, may I have 100 cable cars on the UNDER for all three lines?

    (Going back to the anti-Biz betting lines)

  38. theplanisworking says:

    Forget it Oshie. There is a segment of uber-defenders of this FO that will never listen to logic and reason. Never.

  39. Thundercrack says:

    I haven’t heard their spin job or narrative as to why they didn’t get Dejesus. I’m just telling you what I read.

    And JAL Is correct.

    And the cost for DeJesus may have been different at the deadline than now.

    Hi DK!

  40. theplanisworking says:

    THATS INSANE !!!! ;)

  41. kr70 says:

    line 1 100 on the over and thanks

  42. Tom P. says:

    That didn’t last long. 3-3.

  43. MadTurk says:

    I don’t think it is as good as a spring training line-up

  44. theplanisworking says:

    I know your tongue is planted firmly in cheek, AW, but I get the feeling that neal doesnt like too many players from the farm. Which is patently hilarious, being that neal hoards prospects. Just another strange turn from this team, that for the first time in 20 years is in a pennant race.

  45. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Jandy.

    Just wanted to thank you for the comedy at the end of the last thread.
    Really funny stuff about me going national !!


  46. Jandy says:

    He barely throws from SS to 1st. How will he throw.from 3rd to 1st??!!?

  47. theplanisworking says:

    Keep going like 60, Biz.

    At the end of the season, we will give you a trophy for trying really hard, just like neal!! ;)

  48. Jandy says:

    Lol Hipposter! The devil made me do it! ;)

  49. Irish says:

    Line 1: 50 on Over
    Line 2: 100 on Under
    Line 3: 25 on Under
    Thanks, Playoffs!
    Let’s Go Bucs!

  50. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’m still seeing it’s for a player to be named later or cash.
    In other words….It was basically for a shoe shine and toe tap.

  51. Jandy says:

    Plus a years’ supply of Starbucks !!

  52. theplanisworking says:

    Daq, prepare to be underwhelmed.

    THATS INSANE !!!! ;)

  53. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m pretty much with John on this, but I thought we figured out yesterday that the Bucs had to have passed on DeJesus or Tampa wouldn’t have gotten him because they are in the AL.

    It’s still on my wall—Biz was right!

  54. Jandy says:

    Bless me Father for I have sinned…

  55. theplanisworking says:

    Good Friday evening to you, Reverend.

    Looking forward to a W.

  56. Better than J-Hay at 3rd, J-Girl.

  57. theplanisworking says:

    He doesnt have that much time !!! ;)

  58. Thundercrack says:

    Wow, someone at the pond likes to call people names. Not sure if that was directed at me or JAL.

    But here is the logic & reason as I see it:
    -we don’t even know who the player is yet. (But lets bash away anyway). All we know is that he is 22 years old.

    – The Nats were ahead of the Pirates in line to claim a player. They did.

    Now what I don’t know , and maybe someone who is logical & reasonable, can help me out with the waiver rules. When the Nats put DeJesus on waivers does the line form again in the same league or does it jump to the other league? Where are the Pirates in the order to claim him?

  59. Jandy says:

    I do believe YOU are right, AW!

  60. theplanisworking says:


  61. theplanisworking says:

    Is Pedro hurt?

  62. Jandy says:

    i suppose you’re right, Revvie…but man…

  63. Jandy says:

    Speculation is he or Marte

  64. JRay3 says:

    Line 1 – 75 on the UNDER

    Line 2 – 75 on the OVER

    Line 3 – 100 on the OVER

    Thanks Playoffs and Go Bucs!

  65. Jason81 says:

    Michael McKenry just compared Jordy Mercer to a young Troy Tulowitzki. Doctor should have checked him for a concussion when he went in for his knee surgery.

  66. Thundercrack says:

    I saw this on MLBTR

    2:51pm: The Nats will choose a PTBNL from a list with fewer than five names, according to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (via Twitter).

    And I saw this on Twitter:
    Mike Rizzo says the Nats will get one of two 22-year-old pitchers from Tampa for DeJesus.

  67. You’ve got a witness on that from me, brother.

    Lambo is not in the Indy lineup, so JAL’s sources must be correct.

  68. KenKopp says:

    WE ARE IN A PENNANT RACE! Man this is fun, gut wrenching, and all of that. All right handers in the lineup tonight. Plus a bunch of lefties to come off the bench. Got a good feeling about tonight. Go Braves, Go Brewers. GO BUCCOS!

  69. Jandy says:


  70. Thundercrack says:

    Is that the waiver rules AW? I am just asking, because I don’t know.

    When the Nats put him back on waivers, is the first team in line the team that was after the Nationals?

  71. The real Father always has time for one of his saints.


  72. theplanisworking says:

    I am directing it at anyone that always defends anything the FO does. If the shoe fits. Also, like you havent taken jabs at me before…………….

    Also, all players were available at the non-waiver deadline. So waivers didnt have to come into play.

    And, even though you think I am not reasonable and logical, the Pirates had a chance before TB did. I believe waivers start in the same league, then switch to another league. Pirates had a chance beofre TB.

    But, since I dont believe the spin anything the FO does, I guess I dont know anything. Sorry to diasappoint you yet again.

  73. Jandy says:


  74. Arriba Wilver says:


  75. theplanisworking says:

    + 1 to AW, and Biz.

    Wonder if AW’s all is full from Biz being right? ;)

  76. Thundercrack says:

    But hey, I also just read this on Twitter – so who knows:

    ‘It’s amazing how often this season Jesse Chavez has been better than whichever starter he’s replaced. He gets Most Improved for 2013.’

  77. theplanisworking says:

    JAL is a wealth of info, like AW and Milo.

    Wonder who is going to the DL?

  78. Jandy says:

    I pray for help all the time. I pray for the Buccos too!

  79. theplanisworking says:

    HA!!! Thats a good one, Reverend.

    Thats why he never has time for me.
    Back to the drawing board.

  80. Jandy says:


  81. Jandy says:

    Jim Brown

  82. Milo Hamilton says:

    Wrong. DeJesus was in the National League so all NL teams had to pass for him to get as far as Tampa Bay.

  83. Jandy says:

    Ahhh but the Father loves all His creatures, even Hippos :)

  84. KenKopp says:

    Braves tied it up.

  85. Jandy says:

    Well that blows that out of hippo’s ponH

  86. Thundercrack says:

    Here’s the thing plan,
    In this thread I didn’t see anyone believing any spin from the FO (mainly because I haven’t heard anything from the FO on DeJesus) or defending their actions as it relates to passing on DeJesus.

    I just posted what I read that the Nationals were getting, and why they claimed him and then traded him. And JAL just said the the Pirates didn’t have a chance at him.

    I didn’t give an opinion as to if I thought we should have gotten DeJesus. Neither did JAL.

    So where was this uber-defending?

  87. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m a little confused here. I thought I read that Chryst recommended bringing him back and it was bucked up to Nordenberg, who had the final say. If so, this was Nordenberg’s decision. Don’t get me wrong, I like Chryst, but . . .

  88. Jandy says:

    100 units each line.
    Line 1 – over
    Line 2- unde
    Line 3 – over
    Thanks Playoffs. Man these lines are tough!

  89. theplanisworking says:

    Mr Playoffs…….

    I would like the following………..

    Line 1 — 50 Give neal a trophy Hippos on the UNDER.
    Line 2 — 50 Very underwhelmed Hippos on the UNDER.
    Line 3 — 50 Unreasonable and Illogical Hippos on the OVER.

    Thank you, and get many Wins!!!

  90. Arriba Wilver says:

    Of course, I also read that Le’Veon Bell had a broken foot. ;-)

  91. theplanisworking says:


  92. Lad9 says:

    Done. Thanks Biz

  93. Milo Hamilton says:

    All I was getting at was that the Pirates did have an opportunity and indeed passed on him.

  94. Arriba Wilver says:

    Like I said, BIZ was right!

  95. theplanisworking says:

    Beats me, AW.
    I didnt read anything about Nordenberg.

    Just seems if this keeps up, Pitt may not have enough players to practice.
    I do like the hard stance Chryst is taking.
    But, a lot of talent has gone from Oakland this year.

  96. Jandy says:

    Rad Laddie! The Fantasy Lad!

  97. theplanisworking says:

    And you are correct.

  98. theplanisworking says:

    You are going to give him a big head, if you keep this up.

  99. Lad9 says:

    100 Amy G’s on the over for all three. Thank you Playoffs. Go Buccos!!

  100. Drew71 says:


  101. theplanisworking says:

    Lad, your line in the last thread was one of the funniest I have ever read.

    Thanks for the comedy.

  102. cosmo says:

    Heard Joe Starkey say his source told him that Chryst was willing to give him a 2nd chance, but something happened to create trust issues. Couldn’t elaborate on it.

  103. Arriba Wilver says:

    Biz was RIGHT!

  104. Arriba Wilver says:

    (At least I hope so, or I’m going to look kind of silly.)

  105. Dadtackular says:

    Line one. 100 waivers on the under.
    Line two. 100 substitutions on the under.
    Line three. 100 triple A players on the over.

  106. Milo Hamilton says:


    Phils 4
    DBacks 3

  107. Eric Bowser says:

    Breaking News: No-hitter alert in San Francisco

  108. Arriba Wilver says:


  109. Lad9 says:

    Jandy! Can’t turn down a chance to play in a league with the most knowledgable bloggers on the planet. Will probably get my clock cleaned but that’s fine, although I have been known to do OK from time to time. :) Lets go Bucs!

  110. theplanisworking says:

    You are telling that to someone who had a video posted of me eating a pumpkin yesterday. Talk about looking silly…………..

  111. theplanisworking says:


  112. theplanisworking says:

    Vince Young sighting in Green bay.

  113. Jason81 says:

    I was thinking Pie or Marte, not Pedro.

  114. bman says:


    Line 1: 50 on the UNDER
    Line 2: 100 on the UNDER
    Line 3: 50 on the UNDER


  115. Jandy says:

    Good luck to you, friend!

  116. theplanisworking says:

    392 locations.

    Maybe we get up to 400 by October.

  117. Lad9 says:

    Thank you sir but you and Ghostie spoon fed me that material. And I owed you a few chuckles because I have enjoyed the “Pond Chronicles” for some time now.

  118. Dadtackular says:

    Nice one

  119. Thundercrack says:

    They lost the first few games after they fired Charlie Manuel, but it seems the Phils have been playing a lot better now for Sandberg.

  120. Eric Bowser says:

    almost like taking candy from my own kids.

  121. Jandy says:

    Ok taking a break. Hate using my phone. Go Bucs!

  122. Jandy says:

    meanie! :P

  123. theplanisworking says:


    If it were a book, it would be a worst seller.
    But thanks.

  124. He lives you, plan.

  125. Mercy. I didn’t know they had semi-pro teams in Green Bay.

  126. theplanisworking says:

    + many.

    FWIW, he did look good. But it is preseason.

  127. JohninOshkosh says:


  128. Eric Bowser says:

    Well darn… there goes that no-hitter….

  129. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I’ve always liked Bumgarner’s delivery.
    Reminds me a lot of Scott McGregor.

  130. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He’ll be just fine there and his arm is not an issue.

    Pedro out for the tough lefty on the mound.

  131. JohninOshkosh says:

    He’s only 24. That just amazes me. Only two years older than Cole. Seems like he’s been around forever.

  132. Eric Bowser says:

    NH: Frank, did you see Morneau went hitless again for Minnesota? Smartest fans in baseball think we should trade for him. Losers.

    FC: Yeah, they are so cute.

    NH: By the way, when are you going to announce my contract extension?

    FC: Let’s wait until Dejan writes another critical column, that will really burn him then.

  133. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You’re right.

  134. theplanisworking says:

    + many.

    You should have worked a “Fire Bylsma” in here………. ;)

  135. 21sthebest says:


  136. Eric Bowser says:

    I’m saving my Bylsma loathing for September training camp…..

  137. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Pie’s knee from last night?

  138. Milo Hamilton says:


    Brewers 6
    Reds 4

  139. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    He’s got such a smooth, effortless delivery.
    The ball just seems to float out of his hand.

    When my kids are born I will make them watch his delivery over and over and over (Clockwork Orange) style until they can master his delivery.

  140. Eric Bowser says:

    Better to laugh than to cry about it…. been 20 years, that’s all.

  141. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  142. Eric Bowser says:

    Finally, something I can like about Milwaukee.

  143. Milo Hamilton says:

    Beer ?

  144. Nate83 says:

    What is insane is anyone complaining the pirates didn’t claim a guy batting .248 with little power. Come on!!! This is ridiculous. This is a team 23 games above .500 Dejusus doesn’t make them better.

  145. Eric Bowser says:

    I was 12 years old, friend was 16 and his dad had Old Milwaukee in the refrigerator. Yeah…. some way to taste beer….. blah!

  146. JohninOshkosh says:

    The Fonz ?

    Eric Forman ?

  147. Eric Bowser says:

    Walker, grounded into double-play…. I think I’ve heard that story a few times.

  148. Eric Bowser says:

    Well… I saw the replays of Happy Days, it was alright.

    Eric Forman…. who? LOL

  149. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Red Forman.

    For. The. Win.

  150. JohninOshkosh says:

    Alex: I woke up. The pain and sickness all over me like an animal. Then I realized what it was. The music coming up from the floor was our old friend, Ludwig Van, and the dreaded Ninth Symphony.

  151. Nate83 says:

    Yes he hates prospects but he called up cumpton, black and others this year and put them in important situations. Did anyone ever consider that Lambo is not ready. He didn’t exactly hit lights out when he came up and spent parts of six years, six years in double A.

  152. theplanisworking says:

    Martin has such a sick arm.
    Isnt he up near 50% throwing runners out?

  153. florida steeler says:

    Favorable call on the Pence steal????

  154. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Oh bliss!
    Bliss and heaven!

  155. Eric Bowser says:

    44% coming into tonight’s game…

    A.J. Ellis was at 48%

  156. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  157. Eric Bowser says:

    looked like it to me but we’ll take it.

  158. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Don’t know if it was posted anywhere earlier but,
    I found this article to be a real interesting read.

    Arte Moreno has really stepped in to fill the void left by the passing of George Steinbrenner to become the current most vacuous spendthrift in major league baseball.

  159. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    My 5 year old watches MadBum. Working it

  160. Jason81 says:

    128 pitches for Adam Wainwright to get a complete game tonight. Dusty Baker just voted Mike Matheny Manager of the Year.

  161. JohninOshkosh says:

    Careful , Window, I could do this all night. I bet I’ve seen that movie more times than any other non-comedy (I’m guessing Vacation holds my record).

  162. Milo Hamilton says:


    Cards 3
    Braves 1

  163. Lad9 says:

    Front Row Amy is Milwaukee’s best……

  164. JD says:

    Nate, don’t try and make sense to some in the pond. They have a narrative and go to it as often as possible.

  165. Milo Hamilton says:

    Following in the footsteps of Gene Autry.

  166. JohninOshkosh says:

    Well at least two of the best…

  167. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    She is good from far
    Far from good

    My hockey gear has less plastic on it, then she does on her person.
    Just sayin…

  168. theplanisworking says:

    +2 :)

  169. theplanisworking says:

    The oil companies thank her.

  170. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    SHOOT the messenger!

  171. JohninOshkosh says:

    Used to be my landlord’s office manager. No joke. Lets just say one day I paid the rent to a B and the next month I paid to a D

  172. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Autry put together some real good teams in the late 70’s to mid 80’s.

  173. Arriba Wilver says:

    Nate–you judging Lambo (I mean at ALL) on what he’s done so far in the majors? Really?

  174. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Late bloomer? :)

  175. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I was always more of a Roy Rogers fan myself.

  176. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Gotta admit I’m not huge fan of this lineup, however Bum is doing really well this. Batters are hitting .199 against him on the season overall, as you can see he’s devastating against lefties. Arm starts behind the lefty batter. Not fair.

    Pedro has been doing better lately against LHP, but I agree with not starring him

    Cutch is going to have a great game against him.

    BTW, Bum can hit too.

  177. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Guy is an all around good player.
    Fun to watch him pitch.

  178. theplanisworking says:

    VERY late.
    Like late 30’s late. ;)

  179. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Good man.
    I take it he’s a lefty?

  180. Thundercrack says:

    Wow! Crazy stuff

    Thanks for posting that link.

  181. Playoffs by 2012 says:

  182. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    No problem THUNDER.
    I have to contribute more than fake gambling and youtube posts every now and then.

  183. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I always know that when I bring up a movie moment,
    If you are on the blog, you’ll get it

  184. Lad9 says:

    I will just say this – she beats the racing bratwurst for between innings entertainment ( unless Randall Simon is in the house of course).

  185. Nate83 says:

    AW please take the post in it’s entirety. The point doesn’t hate prospects. I am on record saying Lambo was not the answer as well as saying his chance was a small sample size. Most gutys who spend 7 years in the minors are not the answer.

  186. Arriba Wilver says:


  187. theplanisworking says:

    You do a fine job with everything.

    I think the Angels would love to have fake gambling and youtube issues right now.

  188. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    It is. Just not tonight

  189. JRay3 says:

    Mercer looked lost trying to run underneath that ball from third and costs Bucs a run. Risk you take when playing guys at positions they are not familiar with.

  190. irishjim says:

    Thanks again genius Hurdle for giving a guy his first career start at third during a pennant race. Worst manager ever.

  191. Lad9 says:

    What a mess! And we Pirate fans are more than qualified to identify a mess….

  192. theplanisworking says:

    I think many 3B would have had a tough time with that play.
    I am surprised Barmes didnt call for that play.

  193. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sorry, just surprised to see you using 10 plate attempts. That’s actually a compliment. I could have said I wasn’t surprised. ;-)

  194. Ghost says:

    Just checkin’ in — soon off to catch up on the first few innings by speeding through the DVR. About Mercer playing 3B… should we have the essentially the same roster next season, he is the guy I would move to 3B. Because I’m putting Petey at 1B. ;)

    Saw Plan mention Lad’s post in the other thread and looked it up. That really was “laugh out loud” stuff — loved it! Okay, will be back later after I’m caught up with the recording.
    Ciao for now!

  195. Lad9 says:

    Pirates must be losing now.

  196. Eric Bowser says:

    Why are you bunting with Barmes and Morton due up behind you?

  197. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Possibly the worst comment ever

  198. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yep. 0-52.

  199. irishjim says:

    Hurdle doing what he does best…lousy managing

  200. BDHumbert says:

    I am sure he is an awesome person – but Barmes let Mercer hang out to dry on that pop up – should have been shortstop all the way – what a team leader!

  201. twentytwo22 says:

    White flag from Walker.

  202. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Probably NWs call to bunt there…..the players actually do make some of their own decisions.

  203. florida steeler says:

    Very good question. Makes no sense whatsoever. San Francisco announcers called Clint the king of sacrifice when he was at Colorado. The bottom of this lineup couldn’t win the Little League World series and we bunt to get to the bottom of the order???

  204. Thundercrack says:

    ‘Don’t know how much more obvious they can make it that they don’t see that much in him.’

    See Nate, DK wrote that in today’s chat about Lambo I am not disputing his opinion, but some people read that an turn that into NH doesn’t like too many from the farm.
    (And that isn’t DK’s fault )

  205. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Exactly 22. That to me was a sign of lack of confidence. Poor choice.

  206. irishjim says:

    Not worse than Hurdle walking through the clubhouse and commenting to Jordy “hey I know you have never started at third ever but let’s try it out tonight”

  207. BDHumbert says:

    And let me give you a choice of two lineups///

    1. Mercer at short and Pedro at third…
    2. Mercer at third and Barmes at short…

    I will take my shot with Pedro every day – he may strike out 4 times – but he may get lucky once – and that could win the game…

    Hurdle is an idiot – and yes I would be willing to tell him so to his face

  208. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Try not to pay too much attention to Dave Fleming. He really doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Krukow shot that notion down quickly.

  209. irishjim says:

    But he’s a nice guy!

  210. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Yea. It really is.

  211. florida steeler says:

    You are correct but the bunt was plain stupid with Barmes and Morton coming to bat. Walker’s or Clint’s decision, it was still bad.

  212. JohninOshkosh says:

    I love Creed!

    Thanks for that. Good laugh.

  213. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Jordy has actually played 3rd before. Every year in the minors he’s had quite a few games. This may be his 1st game at 3rd this year, but not his 1st rodeo.

    Stupid Hurdle

  214. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not arguing that

  215. Nate83 says:

    Sorry I’m just frustrated because the team has won 3 out of 4 on the road and before this game even starts I hear complaints about them not picking up a player off of waivers that has worse stats then what we currently have playing and accusations that the GM somehow has something against prospects despite bringing prospects up that where not even on the radar before this year began.

    Why not enjoy what we haven’t been able to for 20 years. Our right fielder has actually been our second best hitter in Augest only trailing an MVP candidate.

  216. florida steeler says:

    Martin is a complete joke batting fourth.

  217. JRay3 says:

    Cutch with three consecutive multi-hit games and is now 20-46 in his past 12 games, .435. Unfortunately outside of Cutch’s hitting, and Morton dealing once again just a whole lot of nothing tonight.

    Down one but the way the bats look tonight, and that was an awful AB by Martin, it seems like a lot more.

  218. Thundercrack says:

    I agree with you Nate.

  219. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    CM is definitely doing his thing. Good thing is only 1 down. Anything can happen to get them back in there.

  220. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Mercer looked like he’s played that position before….


  221. theplanisworking says:

    Nice play by Mercer.
    He isnt Brooks Robinson, but he hasnt looked out of place tonight.

    I am not going to criticize Hurdle for putting him there.

  222. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    On the Mercer dropped fly ball….

    Have to imagine if Marte is playing in left tonight,
    There is no way he would have let the infielders call him off.

    It’s amazing watching how much ground both he and McCutchen can cover.

  223. Thundercrack says:

    Low pitch count by Charlie so far

  224. Arriba Wilver says:


  225. JRay3 says:

    Morton has now pitched six innings or more in five consecutive starts, and eight of his last nine starts. Very important to see him settle in and stabilize the rotation a bit with performances he is turning in.

  226. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    You can always tell when the Pirates are losing.
    Certain people find a way to pop in and say hello.

  227. theplanisworking says:


    I thought Barmes would have called for that play Mercer couldnt get to.

  228. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  229. Lad9 says:


  230. theplanisworking says:

    I resemble that remark…………. ;)

  231. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Swing low
    Sweet chariots

  232. JRay3 says:

    Marte’s speed when on base, and ground he covers and plays he saves on defense are two biggest things team misses with him out of lineup.

  233. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    You know what I mean King Hippo.

  234. radio wave says:

    Popping in for a moment. Sounds like they are no-hit wonders again tonight.

  235. JRay3 says:

    Uh oh who calls a NW sac bunt here?

  236. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, I do! :)

  237. Lad9 says:

    Exactly what I said above. I believe the Giants must have went ahead at 11:19, and I was not watching the clock when that pop up fell in behind Mercer.

  238. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I think sometimes we get spoiled watching the two of them play the field the way they do.
    Every time one gets hits in the air I just assume they will be able to track it down.

    How many other teams fans can say that?

  239. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    That one makes more sense….Charlie should be done now, I’m assuming. Depending on what Barmes does.

  240. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Amen brother!

  241. JRay3 says:

    Real unfortunate that Morton maybe pulled due to game situation as he is only at 66 pitches and has been quite dominant this evening, team needs to get him off the hook.

  242. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  243. theplanisworking says:


    BARMES WITH A MIRACLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    3-1 good guys !!!!!!!!!

  244. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Ha ha whhhaaattt??

  245. JRay3 says:

    BARMES!!! his fourth of the year and dare I say his biggest?

  246. Arriba Wilver says:

    Stoopid Hurdle. :-P

  247. JD says:

    Wow! Barmes!

  248. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not anymore

  249. Lad9 says:

    OMG.. BARMES! I am stunned and impressed. Wow!

  250. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  251. Eric Bowser says:

    Did you see, what I just saw?!?

  252. irishjim says:

    That Hurdle sure is great for playing Barmes tonight!

  253. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Charlie lives to pitch another inning

  254. radio wave says:

    It worked. I knew if I shut my mouth off I would be wrong in the reverse good news would happen.

  255. theplanisworking says:


  256. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  257. twentytwo22 says:

    Barmes 3 run hommaaa

    Morton stays in with low pitch count.

  258. theplanisworking says:

    The Pirates, or us bloggers?

  259. Thundercrack says:


    He doesn’t know when to bunt or when to play Barmes

  260. Eric Bowser says:

    I think the whole ballpark in SF is too… WOW

  261. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  262. Nate83 says:

    I know I saw that coming. Anybody else.

  263. florida steeler says:

    Someone said above, only down by 1-anything can happen. Well, it just did–from the unexpected.

  264. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  265. Drew71 says:

    I always liked ol’ Barmesie

  266. JRay3 says:

    Barmes got him off the hook and he can continue on in game true win-win.

  267. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    What an effort by Chuckles tonight on the mound.
    Time to seal the deal boys.

  268. Lad9 says:

    Nice recovery by Clint. Chuck Morton is dealing!

  269. irishjim says:

    Ground chuck all night served well done

  270. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  271. JRay3 says:

    Seven strong from ground Chuck who is just dealing tonight by the bay.

    With Pie coming in for Harrison and Lambo on his way, looks like tomorrow is make or break day for Marte or stint on DL, really would hate not having him for upcoming Cards series.

  272. Patrick(ri) says:

    Just stopped in to see what condition my condition was in . . What an excellent check-up!

  273. irishjim says:

    You know Dejan said there are two types of fans in pennant races. Those who enjoy the ride and those that are miserable. I have a little of both so sue me.

  274. Milo Hamilton says:

    Let’s go down to Amy G.

  275. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    What a pitching match up tonight….great game.

  276. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Only 2x I think Milo

  277. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  278. theplanisworking says:

    I had to look twice at this statement.

    I thought you said something else………………. ;)

  279. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  280. JohninOshkosh says:

    Way to go RW!

  281. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Amy G

  282. Thundercrack says:

    And you want to be my league’s MVP


  283. JohninOshkosh says:

    One of the best games of the summer.

    Kind pennant winners win.

  284. theplanisworking says:

    Yep, I am tired and not feeling the best…………

    easy mistake on my part, but still funny…………..

  285. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Great stat: RM has thrown out 26 base runners to lead the ML.

    I know some of you just saw that, but I felt the need to repeat.


  286. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  287. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I don’t get it….

  288. Lad9 says:

    Don’t worry Ryan, with a looker like Amy G ain’t none of us getting it there… :)

  289. Lad9 says:

    Agree. Excellent baseball.

  290. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Great outing by Charlie. Couldn’t have asked for a better outing.

  291. theplanisworking says:

    change “to” to “on”

    like I told Eric, not feeling well, I thought it was funny……

  292. Arriba Wilver says:

    Charlie made a statement he wants to be in the mix for the post-season rotation.

  293. JRay3 says:

    Heck of a start from Charlie this evening, in his last four starts he has gone seven or more innings three times. He has allowed just 7 runs in his last 27.2 innings of work, 2.27 ERA.

  294. Lad9 says:

    Oh my. That third strike by Watson was sick! Suhweet!

  295. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    That was an absolute thing of beauty!

  296. JRay3 says:

    Liriano has to be up there as well, two greatest signings in one year and you see the difference it has made on club.

  297. Thundercrack says:

    I almost hate Charlie for pitching so well tonight.

  298. Color me surprised. Of course, I thought the A.J. deal was bad and Tabata should have been traded or released, too.

    Glad to be wrong even if it is a high percentage of the time.

  299. Milo Hamilton says:

    + whatever his number is.

  300. Eric Bowser says:

    Outstanding performance by Morton… 7.2 on 83 pitches. If Pirates offense had a bigger lead, no doubt he gets the opportunity to face Belt.

  301. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    NW finding his stroke and CM coming back have been great mid season acquisitions for the Buccos.

  302. Karen22 says:

    And he should be! Terrific performance!

    Way to go, Chuckles!

  303. JRay3 says:

    He is just plain filthy, LH hitters certainly just don’t stand a chance on him. Always am so calm and relaxed when I see the backend of the Bucs pen go to work.

  304. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Awesome Lucky…..


  305. Karen22 says:

    Unsung hero…Mr. Watson, I presume.

  306. Lad9 says:

    +++ on all thee Charlie comments. We have a # 3 starter. And Mr Littlefield, his name is not Bullington (sorry, that still grinds my cojones)

  307. twentytwo22 says:

    Tony Watson gets the last out of the 8th inning for the second night in a row.

    3 outs to go.

  308. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    Does he jump over Cole?

  309. theplanisworking says:

    But, but, but how can this be??
    I thought he was only good for 5 innings???



  310. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I was hoping for Wilson until I saw Watson’s numbers.

  311. theplanisworking says:

    A LOT of what Littlefield did still grinds the cajones………..

  312. Lad9 says:

    I think so based on the trend – which could change in September I grant you.

  313. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Just the sequence of pitches he threw there was perfect.
    No messing around.

    He knew this was his one batter to get,
    and he went right after him.

    I love watching a lefty pitcher come in and make a fool out of a lefty batter.
    It really is beautiful.

  314. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    It was perfect.
    Poetic, almost

  315. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    100% agree, but I give the nod to RM because he’s an everyday player, his defense, and for what he’s done to help this pitching staff.

  316. Lad9 says:

    Hee hee. Took the lock off of the frig door and set out a plate, didn’t ya?

  317. theplanisworking says:

    and their health…….

  318. Lad9 says:

    +++ Especially when our lefty is the pitcher

  319. theplanisworking says:

    Oh no. They were engaged by others way up the blog. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  320. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is nowhere near as late as last night, is it ? They’re all starting to run together.

  321. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Posey downright teed off on that pitch.
    Still counts as an out.

  322. theplanisworking says:

    Dont like it when they do it to Pedro………………….

  323. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    We’re about 40-45 minutes faster tonight.
    Thank the good lord.

  324. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Does anyone know of a way to add pictures to the blog?

    I’ll be at the game Sunday and if I can take any good ones, I’d like to share.


  325. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    If you post them to an Instagram account, you can link to them here.

  326. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Or if you post them on twitter you can link to them here as well.

  327. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Health aside guys, both continue on this course. I gotta go with Charlie…..I think

  328. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    It’s nice when the shoe is on the other foot for a change.

  329. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  330. Milo Hamilton says:

    That was better than most.

  331. JRay3 says:

    Behind a dominant start over 7.2 innings from Charlie Morton, a three run HR by Clint Barmes and another close out from the pen, the Pirates take down the Giants for the second straight night 3-1 and there was nooooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Bucs improve to 76-52, 34-30 on the road and are now an impressive 4-1 on this seven game left coast swing while improving to 11-10 in the month of August. The Pirates remain 1 game up in the NL Central and move to 10.5 games up for a playoff spot.

    The Bucs will look to make it three straight tomorrow night when the ace Francisco Liriano takes the hill for the Pirates.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  332. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    That was a nice gritty win tonight.
    Love it!!

  333. Karen22 says:



  334. theplanisworking says:

    At this late hour, Raise anything you want!!!

    Great outing by Morton.
    Tomorrow, the “ace” goes for us.


  335. theplanisworking says:

    At this late hour, Raise anything you want!!!

    Great outing by Morton.
    Tomorrow, the “ace” goes for us.


  336. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nice thanks…..

  337. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    You had that all typed and ready.
    Just waiting for the final out.

    and then


    Good recap, buddy!

  338. theplanisworking says:

    + many.

    Night to all…….. off to take medicine :(

  339. Thundercrack says:

    That Hurdle – how can he put that lineup out there and expect to win?

    Where’s Lambo?

  340. Lad9 says:

    Raise it! Not entirely sure why, but to me this one felt like one of the big wins of the year. Nice team effort with Barmes, Morton, Cutch and the Sharks at the forefront!

  341. Arriba Wilver says:



  342. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Milo, that was truly an outstanding game. Pitching dominated tonight and Barnes ends up being the offensive hero.

    Good for him and the Buccos.

    Bob’s gotta be freaking out

  343. Baywatch says:

    Yay! Got home just in time to see Mark The Shark do his thang!

  344. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Good for Lucky.
    He’s done a helluva job this year!

  345. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    #Hurdled (that’s my favorite)

  346. Baywatch says:


  347. Karen22 says:


  348. Patrick(ri) says:

    Assume Grilli comes back, I think a little bonus will be that Melancon has actually pitched fewer innings during his stint as closer and should be good to go strong as set-up man for the stretch? (Don’t really know the stats, but that is my impression)

  349. Baywatch says:

    I’m gonna have to pull out my “Let’s Make A Little Magic” by Nitty Gritty Dirt Band now, Playoffs!

  350. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Raise it on the west coast!!

  351. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Ahhh how do I link them?

    My wife is amazed I even have a smart phone

  352. Thundercrack says:

    So true


  353. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Oh I have been….

  354. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Are there still question marks about Jordy at 3rd?

    I didn’t have any to begin with.

  355. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    It has a SHARE option somewhere on the page.
    That will provide a direct link for you.

    If you catch Bowser on here tomorrow, he will walk you through the steps directly.
    He posts galleries all the time.

    I’m much more of a novice.

  356. Baywatch says:

    Up here, Guys!

  357. Lad9 says:

    This blog is better than ESPN game day even if you just look at who posts and don’t read the content. I could do that and tell you that the Pirates trailed beginning at 11:19 and took the lead at 11:55. Amazing! Lets go after Mr. Lincecum tonight!

  358. Baywatch says:

    Lambo’s just gonna be Rocky Colavito on the cake when he gets here!

  359. Baywatch says:

    Nice going, JRay3!!

  360. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Giants announcers loving the Buccos right now.

    Drooling over them and shocked by Barmes’ HR

    Join the club

  361. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Thanks Playoffs

  362. Ghost says:

    Cowabunga! Not only did Morton and Barmes cut the Giants down into sad little midgets, but I got Hippo but GOOD!

    Heya Hippo! While you were wandering around dazed from those meds you just took, I DRAINED YOUR POND!!! :D

    HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!… (hack, hack, wheeze… oooh… that was just toooo funny. I’m pooped.)

  363. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  364. Ghost says:

    Mark the Shark — that was pretty good. One of those “why didn’t any of us think of that sooner?” kind of good one.

  365. theplanisworking says:

    and you are a troublemaker, and go to it as often as possible.

  366. theplanisworking says:

    + 11:19

  367. theplanisworking says:

    Um, Ghost…………..

    you drained the wrong Pond.
    You drained the Rhino’s Pond.

    Dont worry, those holes he gored in you will heal…………………….. eventually.

    Be more careful next time, K?

  368. Ghost says:

    Between you and now the rhino blowing holes in me, I’m living out my avatar. :(

  369. theplanisworking says:

    I was asleep when you drained his Pond.
    Your yelling woke me up…………….

    I dont know what is so special about my Pond.
    If you want, just dig yourself one……. It may be safer for you.


  370. John Lease says:

    I’m satisfied that Dejan has another column up about the Riverhounds. He’s doing his part. 6 more for a winning season, and the Reds lost last night.

    And my favorite whipping boy, Barmes, hit the 3 run homer. Way to go Clint. You still stink, but way to go. If you keep on doing things like that, you won’t stink, so there is your motivation. And Charlie pitched another great game, and actually got the win for it.

    Happy for this.

  371. War Horse says:

    NMR: Were you listening?
    I loved DK’s quote in his chat today….
    “No one wants to hear it when a pitcher gives up a home run and says, Oh, well, he was a tough hitter. The business is about results.”

  372. Karen22 says:

    My HERO!!

  373. Drew71 says:

    Yes. He’s due for a badminton column. That should help.

  374. Patrick(RI) says:

    Better to deal in shuttlecocks and not poppycock, like most sports columnists — even better than succoring soccer. I am now ready for coffee.

  375. Drew71 says:

    I’d need a coupla cups just to be able to SPELL succoring.

    Which I’ve had.

    Now. One more cup and I can define it.

  376. Drew71 says:

    I think I just woke to Metaphor Hell.

  377. Bob Hasis says:

    I’m not shocked – I’m grateful for the help.

    Why is my fav lady on this blog (Jandy) amazed that Mercer was at 3B. Thank God it wasn’t Barmes, if you wanted to see an arm? and NO reaction time or range. And you would have needed to pray real hard that no bunts or swinging bunts rolled down the 3B line.

    Mercer is an athlete which means typically they can adapt to different circumstances, and perform well with out missing a beat.

    But I know that was common knowledge amongst this group

  378. Bob Hasis says:

    You fail to understand one vital fact, and I will ask you to never forget it;
    I am a Pittsburgh Pirate fan (no other team – just the Pirates) in baseball.

    My comments regarding our SS position stem from my belief Barmes is overpaid, over-the-hill, and presently lacks the skills AND POTENTIAL possessed by Mercer.


    He and the pitching made it possible for that win – and that is what matters.

    Spread this bulletin around the blog so everyone understands what you do now

  379. Bob Hasis says:

    I’ve seen cows chewing their “cud”, look more eloquent than CH and his bubble gum.

  380. Jandy says:

    I see Amy G had all you guys riled UP last night ;)
    Good job, Amy…
    Sorry, but Mother Theresa couldn’t stay awake. Rough week at work, and I’m at work now, but had to check in.

    Looks like one of the guys stepped up and got it done….we’re back on track. As long as SOMEONE steps up, the Bucs will keep on keepin’ on.
    Way to go Barmes.
    Sorry, Mr. Hasis, but Barmes got the job done. Gotta give him credit.

    I also see poor Ghostie got his butt clocked full of holes again. You sure are a sucker for punishment, my friend. lol

    What time does the game start today???? I want to see some good baseball. Liriano should provide a good start for that…

    Drew Dahling, I’m on my third cup of coffee. I hope it helps me think better here at work…I am buried :/

  381. Jandy says:

    G’mornin, Mr. Hasis, am I really your fav lady???? I’m blushing!
    I guess I have to admit, seems like Jordy did a good job, from what I’ve read.
    I can’t say for sure tho, as I fell asleep after the second inning. Too tired from work. Dirty four letter word ;)

  382. Jandy says:

    LOL Bob, hubby always remarks on how horrible Clint looks chewing that wad….I say, it’s better than chawing ‘bacca!

  383. Hope you have a short day. It is Saturday, I think.

  384. Jandy says:

    Yes I do. It’s all what I make it on Saturday, Spunky.
    It’s quiet today, so I can get some of this interminable paperwork done and concentrate on heavier stuff Monday morning when I’m fresh :)

  385. 9:05 EST for tonight.

    Grab a nap today and you can make it.


  386. Jandy says:

    I’ll do that…right after we put the top down on the Shelby and take her for a ride ;)

  387. Patrick(ri) says:

    I have always been cursed by a vocabulary. I blame my parents.

  388. Jim S. says:

    Good morning all! Just read through the comments from the game last night. I don’t post during the games much, but I always enjoy going back and getting a feel for the pulse of the game to see how it matched mine at the same time. I find that I ride the same rollercoaster watching the game as you all do on the blog.

    Charlie threw great again. He has a 68% groundball rate now. The next closest in MLB has 59%. You can’t get hurt too much on groundballs generally, although we have seen Charlie give up a handful of consecutive hits that way at times this season to cost him. Regardless, I just know he is pitching very well right now. I have been one of the skeptics with Charlie. He had something like a 5.12 career ERA coming into this season, and that could be spinned as positive to me. But, many people stayed in his corner through the bad seasons and the injury-filled seasons. I am happy to say I think he is becoming the pitcher those people claimed he would and which I doubted would happen. I’m not saying he is a Cy Young contender, or ever will be, because he will always give up a lot of hits. But, he is getting the job done better than I thought he would. He has been huge of late for this team.

    I actually thought Clint should have allowed Charlie to finish off that win last night. Don’t get me wrong, I love Watson and Melancon. But, Charlie was at less than 85 pitches. He was rolling, even with the double. I would have saved the pen. But, Clint knows what he is doing, and it worked out. Charlie may have collapsed there, for all I know.

    I am not a big Barmes supporter. I know he is the better defensive option, and I like him on the team. But, his hitting is weak. Well, his hitting was not weak at a very important moment last night. I don’t even know how he got the barrel to that pitch in that location. Great job, Clint!

    I also questioned the 2nd Walker bunt, knowing his first bunt was not a sac but an attempt at a single. I think Neil is keenly aware of his limitations as a RH hitter, and he helps the team any way he can. But, having him bunt to bring up Barmes and a depleted bench seemed like a bad move at the time. Of course, in this magical season, it still worked out.

    I agree with many on the blog here about the Bucs seemingly not making much of an effort at David DeJesus. He, along with Schierholtz, was one of the guys I had targeted as an upgrade at the deadline. He hits lefty, has a decent OB% & can play all 3 OF positions very competently. I don’t have all the details of why we did not end up with him this week, and none of us do. But, I have been giving NH a lot of credit for acquisitions this year, and I am disappointed that DeJesus was not added this week by NH. I am not saying DeJesus would have been the key to winning a championship or division. And I don’t like giving up top prospects for mediocre players – especially to teams in our division. But, it seems obvious that would not have been required here. I have supported NH quite a bit, but I am disappointed we did not get him.

    We’ll go get the Giants again tonight to go 77-52. Go Bucs!

  389. Jandy says:

    I blame reading everything I could put my hands on from the time I was able to read

  390. JAL says:

    seems to be the active thread so:

    JAL’s California Girls Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Charlie Morton Should Be the Number Three Playoff Starter

    Clint Barmes’ Three-Run Homer Supports Morton in 3-1 Pirates Win

    Prospect Watch: Heredia Throws Five Shutout; Cumpton Slowing Down?

    Looking at the Rotation Depth With Cole and Locke Struggling Lately

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Morton, Barmes lead Pirates to 3-1 win over Giants

    6 Rumbunter

    Padres Hidden Ball Trick Doesn’t Fool A.J. Burnett


    Game 128: Pirates 3 Giants 1

    8 The Green Weenie

    8/23: Howie’s No Hitter, Don’t Run On Cap, Bucs Beat Drysdale twice & The Big Unit Once, Clemente Collects Hits…

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates 3 Giants 1

  391. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    10 San Francisco Chronicle

    One mistake = one too many for Bumgarner, sickly SF Giants

    11 San Jose Mercury News

    San Francisco Giants lose 3-1 to Pittsburgh Pirates

    12 Yahoo Sports

    What Did Pittsburgh Pirates Fans Expect From Garrett Jones?

    13 USA Today

    Leyland: Managing in N.Y. ‘would be too overwhelming’

    14 Napa Valley Register

    Pirate ship will plunder McCovey Cove during Giants game

    15 Cincinnati Enquirer

    Reds drop opener with Brewers 6-4

    16 CBS Sports

    Pirates vs Giants Game Preview

    Countdown to a Pirates winning season: Just six victories away

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Wainwright works a double shift

    18 PBC Site

    Barmes’ blast backs Morton’s commanding start

    ‘Mission October’ show has spotlight on Bucs


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    This Week in Catcher Framing, 8/23

    20 Fangraphs

    David DeJesus, Alex Rios, and Perception

  392. JAL says:

    California Girls Beach Boys 1965

  393. Jandy says:

    ” But, many people stayed in his corner through the bad seasons and the injury-filled seasons. I am happy to say I think he is becoming the pitcher those people claimed he would and which I doubted would happen.”

    Jim, if I remember correctly, Dejan himself has stuck by Charlie. I’m happy to see Charlie prove Dejan right this season.

    I love your posts, lots of good reading in there….thanks :)

  394. I for one, did not see Charlie being this good. I thought, other than that one excellent streak with the Roy Holladay comps, that he was a 5th starter at best.

    I am very happy to be proven wrong again and very happy for Charlie himself.

    As far as Barmes is concerned, I like him as a person but sometimes he flat out frustrates everyone. I have always plugged Jordy and am glad for his success.

    I like Barmes on the team, too, for all the intangibles he brings.

  395. Arriba Wilver says:

    JAL’s link #20 is very interesting in regards to DeJesus. I don’t know who the author is, but basically he’s saying, as I see it, that from a saber viewpoint there’s not much difference between Rios and DeJesus.

    “Moves like this are why the Rays are good, even if it’s not a very exciting transaction. Exciting doesn’t equate to valuable. Alex Rios is more exciting than David DeJesus, but there’s not a lot of evidence that he’s actually a better baseball player.”

  396. Thundercrack says:

    I posted last night that I almost hate Charlie for pitching so well last night.
    I have always been a supporter of his

    But this is still ‘same old Charlie’? Pitches awesome one start and then we have to watch him labor through 85 pitches thru 4 innings and he has no idea where the ball will go.

    I have reset my expectations for him: he’ll be an awesome #4 starter in the rotation. I hope he exceeds my expectations.

  397. Thundercrack says:

    Link 4 from Pirate Prospects: Brandon Cumpton could be tiring.

    Not good news

  398. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, Jandy! I hope you have a great weekend!

  399. This team just gets it done…
    SF couldn’t get through murderer’s row of JHay, Sanchez and Barmes.
    Way to go men!!! Keep it up.

  400. Jim S. says:

    Well said, Lucky. I am definitely on the record here that Jordy’s overall game overcomes the slight advantage Barmes may hold over him at SS. I think Jordy is a very bright player, judging from his pedigree in college, the way he works at bats, his ability to play multiple positions, etc. I think those types of players get more out of their abilities in the long run than the average player. So, I think Jordy is going to have a solid career. To me, Barmes would be ok in a defensive replacement/occasional starter/fill-in in case of injury way going forward. But, he absolutely gives away too many at bats.

  401. Jim S. says:

    I was saying that all along, Arriba. Rios has had some good seasons, but overall, he is not now what he was in his best few seasons. I didn’t see him as much better than DeJesus offensively, and not nearly as good vs. RHP or defensively as either Schierholtz or DeJesus.

    I still think there may be a need for Lambo this season, and I don’t say that because of the possible DL for Marte. Obviously, if Marte goes on the DL for a week or so, then we need Lambo. But, I think he could help as a LH hitting alternative, if GIJ continues to struggle.

  402. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, I read that as well. Johnson could be a Locke replacement, if Locke can’t get it back together. Jeanmar is there as well, and I’d be ok with that as well. But, if Jeanmar has to go to the rotation, we need a 3-4 inning bullpen. In fact, we need him for when Jeanmar starts.

    Then, again, if Locke can regain form we are in a better place.

    The other complication with Locke struggling is that I know they would like Cole to skip a couple of starts in order to be able to continue into October.

    The Cards and Reds are not without their starting pitching issues as well.

  403. theplanisworking says:

    In all fairness to you, Lucky, it was hard to see what Charlie would bring.

    He was coming off TJ surgery, and had an inconsistent past.
    If anything, the TJ surgery may have helped him, and his curve seems devastating to hitters. He didnt possess that before.

    I am glad he is doing well.
    Just need to watch the potential fer -re-injury.

  404. Bob Hasis says:

    There are some people who simply know talent and potential

  405. Arriba Wilver says:

    But you didn’t write it for Fangraphs, with data. ;-)

    Seriously, though, I posted it here because it supported what you were saying above about DeJesus.

    And some of the “Neal is always right” brigade were mocking any angst at all over DeJesus.

  406. Jim S. says:

    You are right, Rick. If ever you could point to a group of guys and call them the “consummate team” it seems these Bucs are it. When a starting pitcher goes down, Jeanmar or a minor league jumps in and holds down the fort. When the big guns are not hitting, a Barmes or Harrison comes up big.

    I really give Hurdle a lot of credit for this. It is difficult to mold this many guys into a cohesive group that pulls for one another and does whatever is asked by the manager at any given time. Ask Walker to bunt – no problem. Ask Jordy to play 3b, no problem. Ask Jeanmar to spot start – no problem. Ask Watson to transform himself for situational lefty to a 2 inning guy – no problem. Ask Melancon to jump back into the 9th inning – no problem. Ask Mazzaro to give you 5 innings at the drop of a hat – no problem.

    This is an impressive group of unselfish guys. I think insisting on making that happen is the greatest attribute is their Manager and Pitching Coach.

  407. Jandy says:

    You too, Jimster :)

  408. Cumpton only last 3.1 last night. Reid wasn’t very good, either.

  409. Jim S. says:

    I apologize for my multiple typos in that last post.

  410. Jandy says:

    that last line says it all, Jimster!

  411. +2

    Hurdle for president. Searage for VP.

  412. Jandy says:

    silly Jimster, JandyTypos can strike at any time. No need to apologize ;)

  413. Jandyisms. No apologies necessary.


  414. Jim S. says:

    I hear you, Arriba. Believe me, I was a “Neal is always wrong” guy headed into last winter. I was so frustrated after last season that I stopped paying attention to the good things that were starting to happen. He just made me so angry that I stubbornly believed he was always going to be wrong. I, like many in the camp who don’t like NH, was so frustrated and dejected.

    I will say, though, that I have completely reversed course. But, I have to keep perspective. He still makes mistakes. I just think he is learning his job and doing it better now, as we all do in our careers with seasoning.

  415. Jandy says:

    I like to call him the Great White Shark, as he’s fair vs. Cheese’s dark looks.

  416. You owe me a Diet Pepsi J-girl. No Capn Morgans in mine, please.

  417. cosmo says:

    Did Wainwright actually throw 128 pitches in a game? Did his arm fall off afterward?

  418. Jim S. says:

    Hear, hear!

  419. Jandy says:


  420. Jim S. says:

    + many!

  421. Arriba Wilver says:


  422. Jandy says:

    Hey, Spunky, come n get your diet pepsi, and I’ll take you for a spin in the Shelby :) You can have 2 diet pepsi’s then. (You may want some Cap’n Morgan’s in it after that!)

  423. Jim S. says:

    Not immediately. But, I heard they made a run to Home Depot for duct tape this morning.

  424. Jandy says:


  425. Jandy says:

    I thought they used super glue !

  426. Thundercrack says:


  427. Arriba Wilver says:

    Lucky for Secretary of State (or maybe Press Secretary).

  428. Sounds great. I love those cars.

  429. Jandy says:

    Ahhhhh the rush when you stomp it down lol

  430. Thundercrack says:

    I think it would be good to have some guys make spot starts in September. Give everyone some rest. Hopefully we’ll lock up the division early :-)

    And I agree the other 2 teams have issues too

    No pity from us though

  431. Drew71 says:

    I blame Thunder.

  432. I could give them an ear full.

    I guarantee you, Clint, Ray and I could run the state of KY better than the current regime.

  433. Bob Hasis says:

    Good Morning Ms. Jandy.

    You’ll need to discard your gray work habit and put on your black habit, report to the confessional (I’ll be inside awaiting your effort of atonement) and beseech God’s forgiveness in besmirching such a fine young lad as Mercer. All sins are forgivable by The Father. Then go in peace and sin no more.

  434. theplanisworking says:

    Gather them and put them in a book. :)

  435. theplanisworking says:

    I thought they went to a cow field…………….

  436. Jandy says:

    + many!

  437. theplanisworking says:

    I love Camaros. :)

    Hate to burst your bubble……………….

  438. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, the tape is temporary. You go to Dr. Andrews for the super glue.

  439. Jandy says:

    No waittaminit, Mr. Hasis! I never said I don’t like Jordy, I just feel Barmes has a better arm. ( I know you disagree). The way Jordy is progressing this season (with more playing time), I suspect that will change I short order.
    As for the confessional, I’ve done my share of that, but I’ve left that church. However, I still confess and atone in my heart.
    That said, I’ll say some Hail Mary’s for Jordy’s imminent take over of full time SS…and be happy about it :)

  440. Bob Hasis says:

    and I can assure you, it is for the very same reasons I like JHay on this team, plus energy unparalleled.

  441. Jim S. says:

    Muscle cars are the best!

  442. Jandy says:

    Ahhh I stand corrected lol.

    Hipposter…ewwwww! lol

  443. theplanisworking says:

    Jim, your last sentence brings up a great point.

    neal has had 6 years on the job, to finally start being good.
    6 years.

    How many of us get 6 years on the job to be good?
    Most companies have a 90 day probationary period.
    Some companies allow you up to one year.
    Then, they show you the door.

    My God, if every business waited 6 years to allow someone to be good, many businesses would go under.

  444. Jandy says:

    Mr. Hasis, I concur with you on JHay, he is quite the spark plug.

  445. Jim S. says:

    +++, Thunder.

  446. theplanisworking says:

    A dead dog could run many states better than currently are………..

  447. Jandy says:

    Well Hipposter, that is hubby’s second favorite car, so I guess you two think alike!

    His flooring helper has a Camaro.

  448. Jandy says:


    How are ya this fine morning, Hipposter??

  449. Jandy says:

    TC, capital idea, would you like to be assistant coach???

  450. Jim S. says:

    True, plan. Hopefully, most of us don’t undertake such a reclamation project. But, I get your point. Perhaps he wasn’t quite ready when he took over. I would concede that point.

  451. Jandy says:

    that’s baseball ;)

  452. Arriba Wilver says:

    Do you want to fire him retroactively?

    Hey, you never know. Frank may have fired him last October.

  453. theplanisworking says:

    Finally getting the head cleared from taking meds last night.
    It is a beautious morning here.
    Why wouldnt it be? The Bucs won.
    The thread above even survived some people engaging trolls!!!!

    When things like Jones and Barmes hitting home runs occur, you know this team sometimes gets Divine Intervention.
    I think Ghost needs some of that too. ;)

    Looking forward to Frankie L. shutting the door tonight.

    I hear you are at work today. You have my sympathies.

  454. Drew71 says:

    Is still ‘same old Charlie’? Pitches awesome one start and then we have to watch him labor through 85 pitches thru 4 innings and he has no idea where the ball will go.
    – ThunderChuck

    Not to be argumentative – even with EWE – because I was thinking the same thing a few starts ago. But I think Morton is putting it together. Consistently.

    Over Morton’s last four starts, Ground Chuck has given up 56 GBs and just 17 fly outs.

    Probably less meaningful because there are other variables and three “missing” starts in this stat, but over the last eight starts, Morton is 4-1.

    I can’t relegate Morton to having a Fourth Starter glass ceiling. He’s coming off major surgery. He may be returning to the form that projected Morton as more than a back of the rotation guy.

    I know. Depending on how you count, four or eight starts. I won’t lose myself in it.

    But at the very least. If Morton keeps this up, he’ll be one of the best Fourth Starters in baseball.

  455. Jandy says:

    hey Hipposter, yeah work is that other dirty four letter word lol.
    I said before, if ANYONE steps up, this team pulls the W outta their collective behinds. For a small stretch there, no one was doing it, and they lost a few. Scared some folks. Now it’s happening again, they’re picking a new hero every night. When this happens, the Bucs win. Let’s hope they keep doing it.
    No more meds for a while, friend, enjoy the sun :)

    I gotta get some more WORK done…later on Loonies!

  456. theplanisworking says:

    Sure AW, lets fire ourselves retroactively also.

    I was a proponent of firing him after the 2010 season.
    He has gotten better, only because he couldnt have gotten worse.

    Sorry to diasppoint the many who now see neal as some kind of wonderful, but I will always look at him with a more critical eye. He nearly ruined this franchise with his shenanigans from 2008 to 2010. Thank God Nutting loosened the checkbook from the McClatchy days.

    Which brings up an interesting point.

    McClatchy didnt have a pot to p— in. How much better would Bonifay, and Littlefiled have been with more $$$$ to work with? I am not saying they would have been great, but I doubt they would have been as bad as they were without $$$$$$.

  457. Arriba Wilver says:

    IF the recent trend keeps up, and IF they make it beyond the Wild Card stage, he’s the third starter for the P word. He was amazing last night.

  458. Arriba Wilver says:

    Only because he couldn’t have gotten worse?

    That, to me, is like saying they are winning in spite of Hurdle. And they definitely can’t both be true. (Actually, neither is true)

    Is this all just a mystical happening?

    Credit where credit is due.

  459. Thundercrack says:

    I agree with you Drew…I think I do.

    I’m happy for him and I want to see him succeed. And last night’s performance was awesome. But I am refusing to be fooled again after a stretch of 4 starts…or 8 starts…or whatever sample size you want to use.

    I actually don’t see much wrong if he was one of the best 4th Starters in baseball because that means the 3 in front of him would be pretty good too.

    Hi Drew!

  460. Thundercrack says:

    And Drew, I take the bold print finger-wagging as a complement from you.

    Even though you have trouble with my name.

  461. Jandy says:

    I’ll leave you with one last link, and it’s interesting:

    Have a grand day, Loonies!

  462. theplanisworking says:

    AW, i think you mis-read my post.

    I said he couldnt get any worse than 2010.
    The team lost 105 games.
    The pipeline was till bare from the minors (yes, I know they rushed Pedro up).
    The previous 2 years, he botched the Bay trade, the Iwamura trade, the Clement trade, etc.

    2010 was a bottoming out, and I hightly doubt things could have gotten worse.

    Then, he fired joker Russell, and hired Hurdle.
    He started drafting good pitching.
    He stopped making horrible trades.
    He started signing better FA’s

    Credit where credit is due? Sure. neal has done a much better job recently. Copy this to your wall, like you did Biz being right!!

    I am a fan that refuses to conveniently forget all the bad things neal did. I, as a Pirate fan, have the right to look at things in total, not just partial. I know that puts me in the minority, but so be it.

    And, I hope neal does even better in the future. But, I will still look at him thru a critical eye, until he proves he can maintain this.

  463. theplanisworking says:

    Enjoy the Mustang.

  464. JD says:

    Relax. Chill out.

  465. A bold reaming from the Drewster.

  466. Naje says:

    I don’t get the obsessive angst over 2010… or the first three years of this current front office. As if that group had a blank check to sign anyone they wanted. That was a horrible collection of scrap.

    But hey, if you want to live in 2010…please do. A lot of things had to change for this club to get where it is today. And no one here, not DK, not any poster, had a long-term plan to fix it…at least not that I had seen in 2008 (Ok, some may have wanted to overhaul that awful pitching staff), 2009, 2010. And the last pieces of getting this team to where it is includes the owner stepping in and demanding more. So the front office brings in Martin, Liriano; re-signs a guy in Karstens who fizzles, has faith and foresight to spend $2M+ on four months of Morton and then brings Mercer and a bunch of pitchers into the mix like Melancon.

    Oh, how I long for the 2010 season.

  467. Nate83 says:

    I don’t know if people remember this but signing Morton for that 2 million was not a slam dunk decision. Many questioned it and thought it was wasted money. I’m glad he is proving those who doubted the decision wrong. He has stepped up at exactly the right time with Locke regressing and Cole being limited inning wise.

  468. Nate83 says:

    Well said and logical. Isn’t the fact that not one single player from the 25 man starting day roster in 2009 is left on this team. They had to rebuild an entire team with very little help from the minor league system since it was left almost completely empty. I don’t know of any team owner that would expect a 2 or 3 year turn around on the payroll the Pirates had.

    I hear some that complain about the GM, Hurdle and 20 of the 25 players on the team. I’m trying to figure out how a team could be so incompetent at so many things and still struggle to 24 games above .500. It’s as if people are not happy they are 35 games above.

    I’m doing my best to enjoy this and turn a blind eye to what some think are shortcomings on the team but when the team wins 4 out 5 on the road and there is still so many negative post I feel compelled to try and make sense of it.

  469. Thundercrack says:

    I think it was much closer to a slam dunk decision for the FO. One of the main reasons was that you would be able to keep Morton’s rights for one additional arbitration year (2014)

    DK didn’t like the signing at the time. (or at least questioned it).

    With the scarcity of quality pitching and/or pitching depth in MLB, it was well worth the gamble.

    The only thing I wonder about is if it couldn’t have taken less than $2 million to get it done.
    But as my friend AW says “It’s monopoly money’

  470. Drew71 says:

    Nah. Just used bold to highlight a quote.

    You’ll KNOW when I’m BR-ing. Mister.

  471. Drew71 says:

    Who’s talking about 2010?

    They’re in a playoff race. They’re leading the race.

    No angst here.

    I’m Enjoying The Ride. Which I only do when they WIN.

  472. Arriba Wilver says:

    See what ya did, Plan? ;-)

  473. Arriba Wilver says:

    Talk about taking things out of context.

  474. I’ll be prepared. I’ve been married for 41 years Monday. I know what a bold reaming is.

  475. Must have been reading the Bible. People do that every day.

  476. Milo Hamilton says:


  477. Drew71 says:

    Forget all THAT stuff. I can’t believe he has friends.

    Must pay them.

  478. Drew71 says:

    Does ignoring count as a BR-ing?

    If so, me too.

  479. Drew71 says:

    Some companies might not wait six years. But then again. Those firms probably have better 401k’s.

  480. Nate83 says:

    He pays them with monopoly money.

  481. Thundercrack says:

    No. It takes cold hard cash.

  482. Nate83 says:

    I think the duct tape they use for pitchers arms is the Nolan Ryan brand called Be a man and stop complaining about your arm hurting duct tape. It was around back in the 80s and worked. There is no reason it shouldn’t work now.

  483. Arriba Wilver says:


  484. Jim S. says:

    Well said, Drew!

  485. Jim S. says:

    Exactly, Arriba. He went 7.2 with under 85 pitches. That is phenomenal. I hope they bottled it.

  486. Jim S. says:

    Congrats! Now I know why you are “LuckyNKentucky.”

  487. Thundercrack says:

    + for you Lucky

  488. Jim S. says:

    I’m pretty much in your camp on the turnaround part, Nate.

    But, I respect anyone’s decision to remain skeptical at this point if they have remained in the fold for the last 20 years. There is a lot of scar tissue there for everyone in that group. You can absolutely be a passionate fan and live and die with the outcome every night but not buy into everything just yet.

  489. Baywatch says:

    I was wondering on which of these threads everyone was gathering! Hey, Y’all!

  490. Drew71 says:

    Thunder musta paid you to come.

  491. theplanisworking says:

    A thousand apologies, AW. ;)

  492. JD says:

    Drew – I think he was the pitcher of record when Marte dropped the ball, do he should be 5-1 over those starts.

  493. I am polar opposite of Drew in regards to wife-finding.

    Couldn’t have been better in a million years, Jim and TC.

    Five children, all good, all productive, all Christians.

    What more could anyone ask for?

    (a winning season for the PBC) 8-)

  494. Drew71 says:

    Not enough.

  495. Drew71 says:


  496. Baywatch says:

    I call my Dutch friend “Toonder.”

  497. Baywatch says:

    So, where in the world is Lambo? His full name, of course, Carmen San Diego Lambo.

  498. theplanisworking says:

    Relax. Chill out.
    And, get a life too.

  499. Arriba Wilver says:

    Last we heard, on the way to San Francisco. But Nate thinks he probably stinks anyway.

  500. Baywatch says:

    Just saw it tweeted: Martay taking his partay to the DL; Lambo recalled. Maybe he can have the same effect on Jones he had on Tabata!

  501. theplanisworking says:

    Marte placed on DL retro to August 19th.

  502. BDHumbert says:


    Went to sleep last night without checking back in – but I am in a similar place with Barmes. I am sure he is a great guy – I am sure he has some valuable leadership qualities. But this is a business and we need to put our best on the field.

    I know he hit a three run homer – but I still would have gone with Pedro. I never root against Barmes – or any Pirate. But he should not be taking up space on the roster.

    I am tempted had something about blind pigs and acorns…

    Beat’m Bucs!

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