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Final: Pirates 3, Giants 1

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (75-52) vs. San Francisco Giants (56-71)

Starters: RHP Charlie Morton vs. LHP Madison Bumgarner

Time: 10:15 p.m.

Site: AT&T Park, San Francisco

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Jordy Mercer, 3B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Russell Martin, C
  5. Gaby Sanchez, 1B
  6. Josh Harrison, RF
  7. Neil Walker, 2B
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Morton, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Travis Sawchik is on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and more, including his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the top four columnists in the country -- highest circulation category -- by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the top three columnists in the country by the National Headliners Awards. For 2013, he was named top columnist in the state by the Keystone Awards and second-place by the Pennsylvania AP Managing Editors.


  1. Mercer at THIRD?

  2. Interesting to read that Cubs OF David DeJesus (not that I’m that big on him) was the part of another waiver deal today from Washington to TB.
    It looks like the Rays gave up something on the lines of a player to be named later or cash.
    Yeah….Real tough market out there.

    I loved DK’s quote in his chat today….
    “No one wants to hear it when a pitcher gives up a home run and says, Oh, well, he was a tough hitter. The business is about results.”

    • The Nats are getting a 22 year old pitcher. (Minor leaguer) . I also read that the Cubs knew that 4 AL teams were interested in DeJesus, so did the Nats. So the Nats claimed him and made the deal.

      And that really wasn’t one of the better analogies from DK today. IMHO

      DK: You’re right, TC. All that matters is that they try really hard.

    • I agree with you, Daq. Rios and DeJesus basically cost garden variety minor leaguers.

      Just come out and say it, FC et al: $$$

      • Pirates had no chance at him, trams below them claimed him

        • Had a chance at everyone before waivers. Epstein knew what he would get for him long before waiver period. And the Pirates knew they weren’t going to spend money. Yet instead they would rather insult our intelligence with the rough market narrative.

          • I don’t really care that they didnt get DeJesus. Just don’t appreciate their spin jobs.

            • Exactly…..

            • Forget it Oshie. There is a segment of uber-defenders of this FO that will never listen to logic and reason. Never.

              • Wow, someone at the pond likes to call people names. Not sure if that was directed at me or JAL.

                But here is the logic & reason as I see it:
                -we don’t even know who the player is yet. (But lets bash away anyway). All we know is that he is 22 years old.

                - The Nats were ahead of the Pirates in line to claim a player. They did.

                Now what I don’t know , and maybe someone who is logical & reasonable, can help me out with the waiver rules. When the Nats put DeJesus on waivers does the line form again in the same league or does it jump to the other league? Where are the Pirates in the order to claim him?

              • I am directing it at anyone that always defends anything the FO does. If the shoe fits. Also, like you havent taken jabs at me before…………….

                Also, all players were available at the non-waiver deadline. So waivers didnt have to come into play.

                And, even though you think I am not reasonable and logical, the Pirates had a chance before TB did. I believe waivers start in the same league, then switch to another league. Pirates had a chance beofre TB.

                But, since I dont believe the spin anything the FO does, I guess I dont know anything. Sorry to diasappoint you yet again.

              • Here’s the thing plan,
                In this thread I didn’t see anyone believing any spin from the FO (mainly because I haven’t heard anything from the FO on DeJesus) or defending their actions as it relates to passing on DeJesus.

                I just posted what I read that the Nationals were getting, and why they claimed him and then traded him. And JAL just said the the Pirates didn’t have a chance at him.

                I didn’t give an opinion as to if I thought we should have gotten DeJesus. Neither did JAL.

                So where was this uber-defending?

            • I haven’t heard their spin job or narrative as to why they didn’t get Dejesus. I’m just telling you what I read.

              And JAL Is correct.

              And the cost for DeJesus may have been different at the deadline than now.

              Hi DK!

              • I’m still seeing it’s for a player to be named later or cash.
                In other words….It was basically for a shoe shine and toe tap.

              • Daq, prepare to be underwhelmed.

                THATS INSANE !!!! ;)

              • I saw this on MLBTR

                2:51pm: The Nats will choose a PTBNL from a list with fewer than five names, according to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (via Twitter).

                And I saw this on Twitter:
                Mike Rizzo says the Nats will get one of two 22-year-old pitchers from Tampa for DeJesus.

          • I’m pretty much with John on this, but I thought we figured out yesterday that the Bucs had to have passed on DeJesus or Tampa wouldn’t have gotten him because they are in the AL.

            It’s still on my wall—Biz was right!

            • I do believe YOU are right, AW!

            • Is that the waiver rules AW? I am just asking, because I don’t know.

              When the Nats put him back on waivers, is the first team in line the team that was after the Nationals?

              • But hey, I also just read this on Twitter – so who knows:

                ‘It’s amazing how often this season Jesse Chavez has been better than whichever starter he’s replaced. He gets Most Improved for 2013.’

        • Wrong. DeJesus was in the National League so all NL teams had to pass for him to get as far as Tampa Bay.

    • What is insane is anyone complaining the pirates didn’t claim a guy batting .248 with little power. Come on!!! This is ridiculous. This is a team 23 games above .500 Dejusus doesn’t make them better.

    • NMR: Were you listening?
      I loved DK’s quote in his chat today….
      “No one wants to hear it when a pitcher gives up a home run and says, Oh, well, he was a tough hitter. The business is about results.”

  3. One and a half major-league hitters in the bunch (Walker doesn’t count, because he’ll try hitting right handed)

  4. Marte must be pretty dinged up

    Oh well, sometimes you win ones you have no business doing

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    • The last time or two that I saw Marte playing, I got the feeling he was real banged up.
      Hands, fingers…And more.
      I think they’re hoping he stays away from the DL….But I’m not so sure that won’t happen yet.

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  6. Oh good. A spring training lineup.

  7. Yay! Found my phone app so I can drop in between deriveries, Honorable Roonatics!

  8. Looks like Marte’s ill-advised attempt to steal 3rd last weekend may have landed him on the DL, Hear Lambo in route to SF

  9. for some reason, I don’t have a problem with it. We know that Alvarez and Jones cannot hit lefties, so this lineup removes 4 strikeouts. The lineup won’t score 10 runs, but it might score 4. If insanity is trying the same thing and expecting a different result, this is worth a try for one night.

  10. Someone needs to tell Walker to drop the hitting right handed thing. Doesn’t help his cause to be a switch hitter. Concentrate on the left side.

    • His OBP is still .318 against LH starters, and he seems to be improving against left handed pitchers lately, at least OBP. i dont know how to get those recent stats just against lefties. But not much in the way of alternatives in any event. And he isn’t going to start batting lefty against lefty in August.


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total Combined HITS + WALKS by Josh Harrison + Jordy Mercer + Clint Barmes in tonight’s game
    Line is 2.5

    Line #2
    Total STRIKEOUTS THROWN by Pirates Starting Pitchers in the 3 remaining games in San Francisco this weekend
    Line is 23.5

    Line #3
    Total INNINGS PITCHED by Mark Melancon in the 3 remaining games in San Francisco this weekend
    Line is 1.75

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    75 Down, only 7 more to go!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM & BREAK .500

  12. Biz is there any secret to finding the league on Yahoo. I am scrolling through hundreds of names. Thanks

  13. Brandon Moss just hit # 21 in Baltimore-

    I always liked him.

    Too bad.

  14. 3-2 Brewers over Reds, top 6.

    • I’m a little confused here. I thought I read that Chryst recommended bringing him back and it was bucked up to Nordenberg, who had the final say. If so, this was Nordenberg’s decision. Don’t get me wrong, I like Chryst, but . . .

  15. Michael McKenry just compared Jordy Mercer to a young Troy Tulowitzki. Doctor should have checked him for a concussion when he went in for his knee surgery.

  16. WE ARE IN A PENNANT RACE! Man this is fun, gut wrenching, and all of that. All right handers in the lineup tonight. Plus a bunch of lefties to come off the bench. Got a good feeling about tonight. Go Braves, Go Brewers. GO BUCCOS!

  17. Final

    Phils 4
    DBacks 3

  18. Breaking News: No-hitter alert in San Francisco

  19. Vince Young sighting in Green bay.

  20. Ok taking a break. Hate using my phone. Go Bucs!

  21. Well darn… there goes that no-hitter….

  22. I’ve always liked Bumgarner’s delivery.
    Reminds me a lot of Scott McGregor.

  23. NH: Frank, did you see Morneau went hitless again for Minnesota? Smartest fans in baseball think we should trade for him. Losers.

    FC: Yeah, they are so cute.

    NH: By the way, when are you going to announce my contract extension?

    FC: Let’s wait until Dejan writes another critical column, that will really burn him then.

  24. Final

    Brewers 6
    Reds 4

  25. Walker, grounded into double-play…. I think I’ve heard that story a few times.

  26. Martin has such a sick arm.
    Isnt he up near 50% throwing runners out?

  27. Favorable call on the Pence steal????

  28. Don’t know if it was posted anywhere earlier but,
    I found this article to be a real interesting read.

    Arte Moreno has really stepped in to fill the void left by the passing of George Steinbrenner to become the current most vacuous spendthrift in major league baseball.

  29. 128 pitches for Adam Wainwright to get a complete game tonight. Dusty Baker just voted Mike Matheny Manager of the Year.

  30. Final

    Cards 3
    Braves 1

  31. Gotta admit I’m not huge fan of this lineup, however Bum is doing really well this. Batters are hitting .199 against him on the season overall, as you can see he’s devastating against lefties. Arm starts behind the lefty batter. Not fair.

    Pedro has been doing better lately against LHP, but I agree with not starring him

    Cutch is going to have a great game against him.

    BTW, Bum can hit too.

  32. Mercer looked lost trying to run underneath that ball from third and costs Bucs a run. Risk you take when playing guys at positions they are not familiar with.

  33. Thanks again genius Hurdle for giving a guy his first career start at third during a pennant race. Worst manager ever.

  34. Just checkin’ in — soon off to catch up on the first few innings by speeding through the DVR. About Mercer playing 3B… should we have the essentially the same roster next season, he is the guy I would move to 3B. Because I’m putting Petey at 1B. ;)

    Saw Plan mention Lad’s post in the other thread and looked it up. That really was “laugh out loud” stuff — loved it! Okay, will be back later after I’m caught up with the recording.
    Ciao for now!

  35. Pirates must be losing now.

  36. Why are you bunting with Barmes and Morton due up behind you?

    • Hurdle doing what he does best…lousy managing

    • Very good question. Makes no sense whatsoever. San Francisco announcers called Clint the king of sacrifice when he was at Colorado. The bottom of this lineup couldn’t win the Little League World series and we bunt to get to the bottom of the order???

  37. I am sure he is an awesome person – but Barmes let Mercer hang out to dry on that pop up – should have been shortstop all the way – what a team leader!

  38. White flag from Walker.

  39. And let me give you a choice of two lineups///

    1. Mercer at short and Pedro at third…
    2. Mercer at third and Barmes at short…

    I will take my shot with Pedro every day – he may strike out 4 times – but he may get lucky once – and that could win the game…

    Hurdle is an idiot – and yes I would be willing to tell him so to his face

  40. Jordy has actually played 3rd before. Every year in the minors he’s had quite a few games. This may be his 1st game at 3rd this year, but not his 1st rodeo.

    Stupid Hurdle

  41. Martin is a complete joke batting fourth.

  42. Cutch with three consecutive multi-hit games and is now 20-46 in his past 12 games, .435. Unfortunately outside of Cutch’s hitting, and Morton dealing once again just a whole lot of nothing tonight.

    Down one but the way the bats look tonight, and that was an awful AB by Martin, it seems like a lot more.

  43. Mercer looked like he’s played that position before….


  44. Nice play by Mercer.
    He isnt Brooks Robinson, but he hasnt looked out of place tonight.

    I am not going to criticize Hurdle for putting him there.

  45. On the Mercer dropped fly ball….

    Have to imagine if Marte is playing in left tonight,
    There is no way he would have let the infielders call him off.

    It’s amazing watching how much ground both he and McCutchen can cover.

  46. Low pitch count by Charlie so far

  47. Morton has now pitched six innings or more in five consecutive starts, and eight of his last nine starts. Very important to see him settle in and stabilize the rotation a bit with performances he is turning in.

  48. You can always tell when the Pirates are losing.
    Certain people find a way to pop in and say hello.

  49. Popping in for a moment. Sounds like they are no-hit wonders again tonight.

  50. Uh oh who calls a NW sac bunt here?

  51. That one makes more sense….Charlie should be done now, I’m assuming. Depending on what Barmes does.

  52. Real unfortunate that Morton maybe pulled due to game situation as he is only at 66 pitches and has been quite dominant this evening, team needs to get him off the hook.


  54. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    BARMES WITH A MIRACLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    3-1 good guys !!!!!!!!!

  55. Ha ha whhhaaattt??

  56. BARMES!!! his fourth of the year and dare I say his biggest?

  57. Stoopid Hurdle. :-P

  58. OMG.. BARMES! I am stunned and impressed. Wow!


  60. Did you see, what I just saw?!?

  61. That Hurdle sure is great for playing Barmes tonight!

  62. Charlie lives to pitch another inning

  63. It worked. I knew if I shut my mouth off I would be wrong in the reverse good news would happen.

  64. Barmes 3 run hommaaa

    Morton stays in with low pitch count.

  65. I know I saw that coming. Anybody else.

  66. Someone said above, only down by 1-anything can happen. Well, it just did–from the unexpected.

  67. BARMES…..

  68. I always liked ol’ Barmesie

  69. What an effort by Chuckles tonight on the mound.
    Time to seal the deal boys.

  70. Nice recovery by Clint. Chuck Morton is dealing!

  71. Ground chuck all night served well done

  72. Seven strong from ground Chuck who is just dealing tonight by the bay.

    With Pie coming in for Harrison and Lambo on his way, looks like tomorrow is make or break day for Marte or stint on DL, really would hate not having him for upcoming Cards series.

  73. Just stopped in to see what condition my condition was in . . What an excellent check-up!

  74. Let’s go down to Amy G.

  75. What a pitching match up tonight….great game.

  76. Amy G

  77. And you want to be my league’s MVP


  78. Great stat: RM has thrown out 26 base runners to lead the ML.

    I know some of you just saw that, but I felt the need to repeat.


    • Liriano has to be up there as well, two greatest signings in one year and you see the difference it has made on club.

      • 100% agree, but I give the nod to RM because he’s an everyday player, his defense, and for what he’s done to help this pitching staff.

  79. Great outing by Charlie. Couldn’t have asked for a better outing.

  80. Charlie made a statement he wants to be in the mix for the post-season rotation.

  81. Heck of a start from Charlie this evening, in his last four starts he has gone seven or more innings three times. He has allowed just 7 runs in his last 27.2 innings of work, 2.27 ERA.

  82. Oh my. That third strike by Watson was sick! Suhweet!

    That was an absolute thing of beauty!

  84. I almost hate Charlie for pitching so well tonight.

  85. Outstanding performance by Morton… 7.2 on 83 pitches. If Pirates offense had a bigger lead, no doubt he gets the opportunity to face Belt.

  86. Tony Watson gets the last out of the 8th inning for the second night in a row.

    3 outs to go.

    • Assume Grilli comes back, I think a little bonus will be that Melancon has actually pitched fewer innings during his stint as closer and should be good to go strong as set-up man for the stretch? (Don’t really know the stats, but that is my impression)

  87. This is nowhere near as late as last night, is it ? They’re all starting to run together.

  88. Posey downright teed off on that pitch.
    Still counts as an out.

  89. Does anyone know of a way to add pictures to the blog?

    I’ll be at the game Sunday and if I can take any good ones, I’d like to share.


  90. That was better than most.

    • Milo, that was truly an outstanding game. Pitching dominated tonight and Barnes ends up being the offensive hero.

      Good for him and the Buccos.

      Bob’s gotta be freaking out

      • You fail to understand one vital fact, and I will ask you to never forget it;
        I am a Pittsburgh Pirate fan (no other team – just the Pirates) in baseball.

        My comments regarding our SS position stem from my belief Barmes is overpaid, over-the-hill, and presently lacks the skills AND POTENTIAL possessed by Mercer.


        He and the pitching made it possible for that win – and that is what matters.

        Spread this bulletin around the blog so everyone understands what you do now

        • Bob,

          Went to sleep last night without checking back in – but I am in a similar place with Barmes. I am sure he is a great guy – I am sure he has some valuable leadership qualities. But this is a business and we need to put our best on the field.

          I know he hit a three run homer – but I still would have gone with Pedro. I never root against Barmes – or any Pirate. But he should not be taking up space on the roster.

          I am tempted had something about blind pigs and acorns…

          Beat’m Bucs!

  91. Behind a dominant start over 7.2 innings from Charlie Morton, a three run HR by Clint Barmes and another close out from the pen, the Pirates take down the Giants for the second straight night 3-1 and there was nooooooooooo doubt about it.

    With the win the Bucs improve to 76-52, 34-30 on the road and are now an impressive 4-1 on this seven game left coast swing while improving to 11-10 in the month of August. The Pirates remain 1 game up in the NL Central and move to 10.5 games up for a playoff spot.

    The Bucs will look to make it three straight tomorrow night when the ace Francisco Liriano takes the hill for the Pirates.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  92. That was a nice gritty win tonight.
    Love it!!

  93. OH MY! RAISE IT!


  94. At this late hour, Raise anything you want!!!

    Great outing by Morton.
    Tomorrow, the “ace” goes for us.


  95. At this late hour, Raise anything you want!!!

    Great outing by Morton.
    Tomorrow, the “ace” goes for us.


  96. That Hurdle – how can he put that lineup out there and expect to win?

    Where’s Lambo?

  97. Raise it! Not entirely sure why, but to me this one felt like one of the big wins of the year. Nice team effort with Barmes, Morton, Cutch and the Sharks at the forefront!

  98. Luck—–76


  99. Yay! Got home just in time to see Mark The Shark do his thang!

  100. Raise it on the west coast!!

  101. Are there still question marks about Jordy at 3rd?

    I didn’t have any to begin with.

  102. This blog is better than ESPN game day even if you just look at who posts and don’t read the content. I could do that and tell you that the Pirates trailed beginning at 11:19 and took the lead at 11:55. Amazing! Lets go after Mr. Lincecum tonight!

  103. Giants announcers loving the Buccos right now.

    Drooling over them and shocked by Barmes’ HR

    Join the club

    • I’m not shocked – I’m grateful for the help.

      Why is my fav lady on this blog (Jandy) amazed that Mercer was at 3B. Thank God it wasn’t Barmes, if you wanted to see an arm? and NO reaction time or range. And you would have needed to pray real hard that no bunts or swinging bunts rolled down the 3B line.

      Mercer is an athlete which means typically they can adapt to different circumstances, and perform well with out missing a beat.

      But I know that was common knowledge amongst this group

      • G’mornin, Mr. Hasis, am I really your fav lady???? I’m blushing!
        I guess I have to admit, seems like Jordy did a good job, from what I’ve read.
        I can’t say for sure tho, as I fell asleep after the second inning. Too tired from work. Dirty four letter word ;)

        • Good Morning Ms. Jandy.

          You’ll need to discard your gray work habit and put on your black habit, report to the confessional (I’ll be inside awaiting your effort of atonement) and beseech God’s forgiveness in besmirching such a fine young lad as Mercer. All sins are forgivable by The Father. Then go in peace and sin no more.

          • No waittaminit, Mr. Hasis! I never said I don’t like Jordy, I just feel Barmes has a better arm. ( I know you disagree). The way Jordy is progressing this season (with more playing time), I suspect that will change I short order.
            As for the confessional, I’ve done my share of that, but I’ve left that church. However, I still confess and atone in my heart.
            That said, I’ll say some Hail Mary’s for Jordy’s imminent take over of full time SS…and be happy about it :)

  104. Cowabunga! Not only did Morton and Barmes cut the Giants down into sad little midgets, but I got Hippo but GOOD!

    Heya Hippo! While you were wandering around dazed from those meds you just took, I DRAINED YOUR POND!!! :D

    HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!… (hack, hack, wheeze… oooh… that was just toooo funny. I’m pooped.)

  105. I’m satisfied that Dejan has another column up about the Riverhounds. He’s doing his part. 6 more for a winning season, and the Reds lost last night.

    And my favorite whipping boy, Barmes, hit the 3 run homer. Way to go Clint. You still stink, but way to go. If you keep on doing things like that, you won’t stink, so there is your motivation. And Charlie pitched another great game, and actually got the win for it.

    Happy for this.

  106. I see Amy G had all you guys riled UP last night ;)
    Good job, Amy…
    Sorry, but Mother Theresa couldn’t stay awake. Rough week at work, and I’m at work now, but had to check in.

    Looks like one of the guys stepped up and got it done….we’re back on track. As long as SOMEONE steps up, the Bucs will keep on keepin’ on.
    Way to go Barmes.
    Sorry, Mr. Hasis, but Barmes got the job done. Gotta give him credit.

    I also see poor Ghostie got his butt clocked full of holes again. You sure are a sucker for punishment, my friend. lol

    What time does the game start today???? I want to see some good baseball. Liriano should provide a good start for that…

    Drew Dahling, I’m on my third cup of coffee. I hope it helps me think better here at work…I am buried :/

  107. Good morning all! Just read through the comments from the game last night. I don’t post during the games much, but I always enjoy going back and getting a feel for the pulse of the game to see how it matched mine at the same time. I find that I ride the same rollercoaster watching the game as you all do on the blog.

    Charlie threw great again. He has a 68% groundball rate now. The next closest in MLB has 59%. You can’t get hurt too much on groundballs generally, although we have seen Charlie give up a handful of consecutive hits that way at times this season to cost him. Regardless, I just know he is pitching very well right now. I have been one of the skeptics with Charlie. He had something like a 5.12 career ERA coming into this season, and that could be spinned as positive to me. But, many people stayed in his corner through the bad seasons and the injury-filled seasons. I am happy to say I think he is becoming the pitcher those people claimed he would and which I doubted would happen. I’m not saying he is a Cy Young contender, or ever will be, because he will always give up a lot of hits. But, he is getting the job done better than I thought he would. He has been huge of late for this team.

    I actually thought Clint should have allowed Charlie to finish off that win last night. Don’t get me wrong, I love Watson and Melancon. But, Charlie was at less than 85 pitches. He was rolling, even with the double. I would have saved the pen. But, Clint knows what he is doing, and it worked out. Charlie may have collapsed there, for all I know.

    I am not a big Barmes supporter. I know he is the better defensive option, and I like him on the team. But, his hitting is weak. Well, his hitting was not weak at a very important moment last night. I don’t even know how he got the barrel to that pitch in that location. Great job, Clint!

    I also questioned the 2nd Walker bunt, knowing his first bunt was not a sac but an attempt at a single. I think Neil is keenly aware of his limitations as a RH hitter, and he helps the team any way he can. But, having him bunt to bring up Barmes and a depleted bench seemed like a bad move at the time. Of course, in this magical season, it still worked out.

    I agree with many on the blog here about the Bucs seemingly not making much of an effort at David DeJesus. He, along with Schierholtz, was one of the guys I had targeted as an upgrade at the deadline. He hits lefty, has a decent OB% & can play all 3 OF positions very competently. I don’t have all the details of why we did not end up with him this week, and none of us do. But, I have been giving NH a lot of credit for acquisitions this year, and I am disappointed that DeJesus was not added this week by NH. I am not saying DeJesus would have been the key to winning a championship or division. And I don’t like giving up top prospects for mediocre players – especially to teams in our division. But, it seems obvious that would not have been required here. I have supported NH quite a bit, but I am disappointed we did not get him.

    We’ll go get the Giants again tonight to go 77-52. Go Bucs!

    • ” But, many people stayed in his corner through the bad seasons and the injury-filled seasons. I am happy to say I think he is becoming the pitcher those people claimed he would and which I doubted would happen.”

      Jim, if I remember correctly, Dejan himself has stuck by Charlie. I’m happy to see Charlie prove Dejan right this season.

      I love your posts, lots of good reading in there….thanks :)

      • I for one, did not see Charlie being this good. I thought, other than that one excellent streak with the Roy Holladay comps, that he was a 5th starter at best.

        I am very happy to be proven wrong again and very happy for Charlie himself.

        As far as Barmes is concerned, I like him as a person but sometimes he flat out frustrates everyone. I have always plugged Jordy and am glad for his success.

        I like Barmes on the team, too, for all the intangibles he brings.

        • I posted last night that I almost hate Charlie for pitching so well last night.
          I have always been a supporter of his

          But this is still ‘same old Charlie’? Pitches awesome one start and then we have to watch him labor through 85 pitches thru 4 innings and he has no idea where the ball will go.

          I have reset my expectations for him: he’ll be an awesome #4 starter in the rotation. I hope he exceeds my expectations.

        • Well said, Lucky. I am definitely on the record here that Jordy’s overall game overcomes the slight advantage Barmes may hold over him at SS. I think Jordy is a very bright player, judging from his pedigree in college, the way he works at bats, his ability to play multiple positions, etc. I think those types of players get more out of their abilities in the long run than the average player. So, I think Jordy is going to have a solid career. To me, Barmes would be ok in a defensive replacement/occasional starter/fill-in in case of injury way going forward. But, he absolutely gives away too many at bats.

        • In all fairness to you, Lucky, it was hard to see what Charlie would bring.

          He was coming off TJ surgery, and had an inconsistent past.
          If anything, the TJ surgery may have helped him, and his curve seems devastating to hitters. He didnt possess that before.

          I am glad he is doing well.
          Just need to watch the potential fer -re-injury.

        • and I can assure you, it is for the very same reasons I like JHay on this team, plus energy unparalleled.

      • Thanks, Jandy! I hope you have a great weekend!

    • JAL’s link #20 is very interesting in regards to DeJesus. I don’t know who the author is, but basically he’s saying, as I see it, that from a saber viewpoint there’s not much difference between Rios and DeJesus.

      “Moves like this are why the Rays are good, even if it’s not a very exciting transaction. Exciting doesn’t equate to valuable. Alex Rios is more exciting than David DeJesus, but there’s not a lot of evidence that he’s actually a better baseball player.”

      • I was saying that all along, Arriba. Rios has had some good seasons, but overall, he is not now what he was in his best few seasons. I didn’t see him as much better than DeJesus offensively, and not nearly as good vs. RHP or defensively as either Schierholtz or DeJesus.

        I still think there may be a need for Lambo this season, and I don’t say that because of the possible DL for Marte. Obviously, if Marte goes on the DL for a week or so, then we need Lambo. But, I think he could help as a LH hitting alternative, if GIJ continues to struggle.

        • But you didn’t write it for Fangraphs, with data. ;-)

          Seriously, though, I posted it here because it supported what you were saying above about DeJesus.

          And some of the “Neal is always right” brigade were mocking any angst at all over DeJesus.

          • I hear you, Arriba. Believe me, I was a “Neal is always wrong” guy headed into last winter. I was so frustrated after last season that I stopped paying attention to the good things that were starting to happen. He just made me so angry that I stubbornly believed he was always going to be wrong. I, like many in the camp who don’t like NH, was so frustrated and dejected.

            I will say, though, that I have completely reversed course. But, I have to keep perspective. He still makes mistakes. I just think he is learning his job and doing it better now, as we all do in our careers with seasoning.

            • Jim, your last sentence brings up a great point.

              neal has had 6 years on the job, to finally start being good.
              6 years.

              How many of us get 6 years on the job to be good?
              Most companies have a 90 day probationary period.
              Some companies allow you up to one year.
              Then, they show you the door.

              My God, if every business waited 6 years to allow someone to be good, many businesses would go under.

              • True, plan. Hopefully, most of us don’t undertake such a reclamation project. But, I get your point. Perhaps he wasn’t quite ready when he took over. I would concede that point.

              • Do you want to fire him retroactively?

                Hey, you never know. Frank may have fired him last October.

              • Sure AW, lets fire ourselves retroactively also.

                I was a proponent of firing him after the 2010 season.
                He has gotten better, only because he couldnt have gotten worse.

                Sorry to diasppoint the many who now see neal as some kind of wonderful, but I will always look at him with a more critical eye. He nearly ruined this franchise with his shenanigans from 2008 to 2010. Thank God Nutting loosened the checkbook from the McClatchy days.

                Which brings up an interesting point.

                McClatchy didnt have a pot to p— in. How much better would Bonifay, and Littlefiled have been with more $$$$ to work with? I am not saying they would have been great, but I doubt they would have been as bad as they were without $$$$$$.

              • Only because he couldn’t have gotten worse?

                That, to me, is like saying they are winning in spite of Hurdle. And they definitely can’t both be true. (Actually, neither is true)

                Is this all just a mystical happening?

                Credit where credit is due.

              • AW, i think you mis-read my post.

                I said he couldnt get any worse than 2010.
                The team lost 105 games.
                The pipeline was till bare from the minors (yes, I know they rushed Pedro up).
                The previous 2 years, he botched the Bay trade, the Iwamura trade, the Clement trade, etc.

                2010 was a bottoming out, and I hightly doubt things could have gotten worse.

                Then, he fired joker Russell, and hired Hurdle.
                He started drafting good pitching.
                He stopped making horrible trades.
                He started signing better FA’s

                Credit where credit is due? Sure. neal has done a much better job recently. Copy this to your wall, like you did Biz being right!!

                I am a fan that refuses to conveniently forget all the bad things neal did. I, as a Pirate fan, have the right to look at things in total, not just partial. I know that puts me in the minority, but so be it.

                And, I hope neal does even better in the future. But, I will still look at him thru a critical eye, until he proves he can maintain this.

              • Some companies might not wait six years. But then again. Those firms probably have better 401k’s.

  108. seems to be the active thread so:

    JAL’s California Girls Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Charlie Morton Should Be the Number Three Playoff Starter

    Clint Barmes’ Three-Run Homer Supports Morton in 3-1 Pirates Win

    Prospect Watch: Heredia Throws Five Shutout; Cumpton Slowing Down?

    Looking at the Rotation Depth With Cole and Locke Struggling Lately

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Morton, Barmes lead Pirates to 3-1 win over Giants

    6 Rumbunter

    Padres Hidden Ball Trick Doesn’t Fool A.J. Burnett


    Game 128: Pirates 3 Giants 1

    8 The Green Weenie

    8/23: Howie’s No Hitter, Don’t Run On Cap, Bucs Beat Drysdale twice & The Big Unit Once, Clemente Collects Hits…

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates 3 Giants 1

  109. NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    10 San Francisco Chronicle

    One mistake = one too many for Bumgarner, sickly SF Giants

    11 San Jose Mercury News

    San Francisco Giants lose 3-1 to Pittsburgh Pirates

    12 Yahoo Sports

    What Did Pittsburgh Pirates Fans Expect From Garrett Jones?

    13 USA Today

    Leyland: Managing in N.Y. ‘would be too overwhelming’

    14 Napa Valley Register

    Pirate ship will plunder McCovey Cove during Giants game

    15 Cincinnati Enquirer

    Reds drop opener with Brewers 6-4

    16 CBS Sports

    Pirates vs Giants Game Preview

    Countdown to a Pirates winning season: Just six victories away

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Wainwright works a double shift

    18 PBC Site

    Barmes’ blast backs Morton’s commanding start

    ‘Mission October’ show has spotlight on Bucs


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    This Week in Catcher Framing, 8/23

    20 Fangraphs

    David DeJesus, Alex Rios, and Perception

  110. Link 4 from Pirate Prospects: Brandon Cumpton could be tiring.

    Not good news

    • Yeah, I read that as well. Johnson could be a Locke replacement, if Locke can’t get it back together. Jeanmar is there as well, and I’d be ok with that as well. But, if Jeanmar has to go to the rotation, we need a 3-4 inning bullpen. In fact, we need him for when Jeanmar starts.

      Then, again, if Locke can regain form we are in a better place.

      The other complication with Locke struggling is that I know they would like Cole to skip a couple of starts in order to be able to continue into October.

      The Cards and Reds are not without their starting pitching issues as well.

    • Cumpton only last 3.1 last night. Reid wasn’t very good, either.

  111. This team just gets it done…
    SF couldn’t get through murderer’s row of JHay, Sanchez and Barmes.
    Way to go men!!! Keep it up.

  112. I apologize for my multiple typos in that last post.

  113. Did Wainwright actually throw 128 pitches in a game? Did his arm fall off afterward?

  114. Is still ‘same old Charlie’? Pitches awesome one start and then we have to watch him labor through 85 pitches thru 4 innings and he has no idea where the ball will go.
    - ThunderChuck

    Not to be argumentative – even with EWE – because I was thinking the same thing a few starts ago. But I think Morton is putting it together. Consistently.

    Over Morton’s last four starts, Ground Chuck has given up 56 GBs and just 17 fly outs.

    Probably less meaningful because there are other variables and three “missing” starts in this stat, but over the last eight starts, Morton is 4-1.

    I can’t relegate Morton to having a Fourth Starter glass ceiling. He’s coming off major surgery. He may be returning to the form that projected Morton as more than a back of the rotation guy.

    I know. Depending on how you count, four or eight starts. I won’t lose myself in it.

    But at the very least. If Morton keeps this up, he’ll be one of the best Fourth Starters in baseball.

  115. I’ll leave you with one last link, and it’s interesting:

    Have a grand day, Loonies!

  116. I don’t get the obsessive angst over 2010… or the first three years of this current front office. As if that group had a blank check to sign anyone they wanted. That was a horrible collection of scrap.

    But hey, if you want to live in 2010…please do. A lot of things had to change for this club to get where it is today. And no one here, not DK, not any poster, had a long-term plan to fix it…at least not that I had seen in 2008 (Ok, some may have wanted to overhaul that awful pitching staff), 2009, 2010. And the last pieces of getting this team to where it is includes the owner stepping in and demanding more. So the front office brings in Martin, Liriano; re-signs a guy in Karstens who fizzles, has faith and foresight to spend $2M+ on four months of Morton and then brings Mercer and a bunch of pitchers into the mix like Melancon.

    Oh, how I long for the 2010 season.

    • Well said and logical. Isn’t the fact that not one single player from the 25 man starting day roster in 2009 is left on this team. They had to rebuild an entire team with very little help from the minor league system since it was left almost completely empty. I don’t know of any team owner that would expect a 2 or 3 year turn around on the payroll the Pirates had.

      I hear some that complain about the GM, Hurdle and 20 of the 25 players on the team. I’m trying to figure out how a team could be so incompetent at so many things and still struggle to 24 games above .500. It’s as if people are not happy they are 35 games above.

      I’m doing my best to enjoy this and turn a blind eye to what some think are shortcomings on the team but when the team wins 4 out 5 on the road and there is still so many negative post I feel compelled to try and make sense of it.

      • I’m pretty much in your camp on the turnaround part, Nate.

        But, I respect anyone’s decision to remain skeptical at this point if they have remained in the fold for the last 20 years. There is a lot of scar tissue there for everyone in that group. You can absolutely be a passionate fan and live and die with the outcome every night but not buy into everything just yet.

    • Who’s talking about 2010?

      They’re in a playoff race. They’re leading the race.

      No angst here.

      I’m Enjoying The Ride. Which I only do when they WIN.

    • See what ya did, Plan? ;-)

  117. I don’t know if people remember this but signing Morton for that 2 million was not a slam dunk decision. Many questioned it and thought it was wasted money. I’m glad he is proving those who doubted the decision wrong. He has stepped up at exactly the right time with Locke regressing and Cole being limited inning wise.

  118. I was wondering on which of these threads everyone was gathering! Hey, Y’all!

  119. So, where in the world is Lambo? His full name, of course, Carmen San Diego Lambo.

  120. Just saw it tweeted: Martay taking his partay to the DL; Lambo recalled. Maybe he can have the same effect on Jones he had on Tabata!

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