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By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …

>> The weekly chat will take place today at noon, right here on the blog. As soon as you see the post, you can submit entries. Just be sure to do so inside the actual chat field rather than the blog comments underneath. All topics welcome, as always.

>> The Steelers’ day was brightened by word that Le’Veon Bell’s lisfranc injury won’t require surgery and that he should be back much sooner than initial estimates of two months.

So, what is lisfranc, anyway?

Better question: Why do we only ever hear about it relating to football when other sports also, you know, use feet?

Here’s the official answer, courtesy of the American Orthopaedic Foot & Ankle Society, and the telling point in there is that the Lisfranc joint complex is on top of the foot. And it generally involves impact to the top of the foot. So whether it’s Bell or Matt Spaeth or any football player, it tends to come as the result of someone stepping or stomping on that area.

In hockey, the skate boot comes with a fairly hard shell and, even then, you aren’t often going to trampled by skates — yeah, I know, don’t tell it to Erik Karlsson — or take shots to the top of the skate. Hence, the term is a great rarity in the NHL.

In baseball, someone could step on a foot in the field, obviously, or take a pitch there. But if you think about the rarity of either convergence — certainly compared to that of football players engaging in hard contact every snap — it explains why you don’t see it there, either.

Can you think of injuries mostly unique to hockey, baseball, basketball or soccer?

I’ll go with the groin in hockey (takes a terrible beating from skating, especially for goaltenders), the elbow in baseball (does things it isn’t supposed to do), the ankle in basketball (better land right or else), and the calf in soccer (mostly from cleats on hard or cheap tackles).

Here’s our full Steelers coverage. I’ll be writing the Sunday column from Heinz Field off the preseason game with the Chiefs.

>> If you think the Steelers’ preseason has been rough, did you see the Ravens last night?

It’s amazing to me that so many seem to overlook the incredible amount of talent that walked out of Ozzie Newsome’s door as soon as the confetti was cleaned up.

>> The Pirates benefited from big nights by Pedro Alvarez and Jose Tabata but had another wobbly start by Jeff Locke — four innings, 73 pitches — against the Giants. Travis Sawchik is in San Francisco.

Here’s the rest of our baseball coverage.

Here’s Giants news from the San Francisco Chronicle.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Pitt’s running backs are falling. Jerry DiPaola reports.

>> The Panthers’ hoops schedule includes Duke and Syracuse at the Pete. Nice. Kevin Gorman reports.

>> The Penguins’ roster for the NHL’s rookie tournament is out. Josh Yohe reports on that, as well as Gibsonia’s Brandon Saad bringing home the Stanley Cup.

>> The Riverhounds will have an outdoor viewing party at Highmark Stadium for their playoff match tomorrow night in Orlando, Fla. Matt Grubba previews the USL Pro quarterfinal.

>> The Trib’s unrivaled high school football preview hits the streets this morning in all of Trib Total Media’s member newspapers. The amount of dedication and knowledge that goes into this annual monster can’t be overstated, but here’s hoping you can find a couple quarters for it.

It’s one of the many things that print still does best.

>> Ill join Alan Robinson, Richie Walsh and Bill Phillips on WPXI-TV’s ‘The Final Word’ Sunday at 11:35 p.m.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Ghost says:

    Those were not the Pirates we know and love. Jonesey had two hits, including a bomb into the drink. And Tabby and Pedro hit well (though they have been since San Diego). And Cutch is going bonkers, recently.

  2. Ghost says:

    Hippo informs me: “I have some special surprises for you in and around the Pond tonight.”

    Oh boy-oh boy-oh boy!! I love surprises! Especially, Easter egg hunt-like surprises!

    (Puts his disguise back on before venturing pondside….)
    Oh, YOU HOO! HIPPY-POO! Come here, big feller! Baby has something for YOU HOO!

  3. Ghost says:

    As for sport-specific injuries, football also gets “hip pointers” though we don’t seem to hear about them quite as often as before. Same with “turf toe.”

    Baseball players get “intercostal muscle strains” from swinging hard without properly loosening up. And then all those arm injuries pitchers get. Quarterbacks can throw 100+ passes a day, every day of the week, and not get half the arm injuries pitchers get.

    DK: Ah, yes, the strained oblique.

  4. Ghost says:

    Medium and long distance runners can get tibial stress fractures.

    Boxers get noses like Mickey Rourke.

    Recreational hunters can get shot in the face by Dick Cheney.

  5. I didn’t get to see the game, just the highlights. Can anyone let me in on why Locke bats in the Top of the 5th but doesn’t come out to pitch after being given a 7 run lead?

  6. Let us not forget the cauliflower ear of wrestling.

  7. Ghost says:

    Good one.

  8. Tom P. says:


    Gomez started warming up in the bottom of the fourth when the Giants tied the game with a two out single and the batter advancing to second on the throw. Locke got the last out of the fourth. The Pirates then sent 11 men to the plate in the top of the fifth. Locke hit ninth and singled. Because Gomez was already warmed up (and perhaps because it was a chilly night in SF and they did not want him to have to get loose again), Gomez came out to pitch the fifth.

    Some of that is speculation on my part, so if anyone has a different impression, feel free to comment.

  9. Tom P. says:

    With 35 games left, the Pirates magic number to eliminate Arizona is 27, to host the wild card is 33 (vs. Reds) and to clinch the division is 35 (vs. Cardinals).

  10. Ghost says:

    “…the strained oblique…”
    Indeed… so much said there within the lines. Color me impressed, yet again.

  11. Ghost says:

    That seems about right to me too, for Gomez. As for Locke, it didn’t seem like it would hurt at that point to let him get some swings in. Bud Black did the exact same thing with his pitcher just the other night. Who knows what the exact thinking was in either case, but I happen to like getting pitchers some live cuts when the rare opportunity presents itself. Not really fond of the automatic outs a lot of pitchers settle for.

  12. Tom P. says:

    Also as far as Locke hitting in that situation goes, why waste a pinch hitter when the Pirates lead by 4?

  13. densum2 says:

    DK, if Locke continues to stumble down the stretch and Wandy stays on the DL, do you think the Pirates may consider putting Gomez back in the rotation?

  14. theplanisworking says:

    Why do I feel like Bullwinkle J. Hippo, and you are Boris Badanov??

    I knew your disguise was a fake………. Hippos dont wear grass skirts.
    Why do you think I let you into the Pond so easily?
    And I didnt laugh too hard, when you sat down , and the bear trap got your keister again.
    Never knew a “Hippo” could scream so loud!

    I wish you the best of luck next time.
    Have a wonderful day!

    PS — hope you were able to crawl out of the hole I dug on the path to the Pond, covered in tall grass. :D

  15. Brandie says:

    And tennis elbow.

  16. theplanisworking says:

    Dont forget hockey’s infamous “upper body injury”.

  17. John Lease says:

    I think they should. He’s a 5 inning pitcher, but September is just around the corner and they’ll have plenty of bullpen help then.

  18. John Lease says:

    Groin strains aren’t just hockey. Bob Walk had a strained groin almost every year as a Pirate

  19. John Lease says:

    Happy, Happy, Happy with a WIN WIN WIN.

    That was a quality win too, against Matt Cain. Too bad the frigging Braves AND D-Bags couldn’t do the Pirates any favors, but winning 3 of these 4 games should keep the Pirates in first. And you can’t win 3 out of 4 without winning one.

    If Locke continues to struggle, I hope Cumpton gets back in the rotation. Evidently McDonald is done?

  20. Thundercrack says:


  21. JAL says:

    JAL’s California Sun Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Why Don’t Pitchers Speak Up Sooner About Injuries?

    Pirates Light Up Giants’ Cain, Mijares for 11 Hits in 10-5 Win

    Prospect Watch: The Numbers From Tyler Glasnow’s Latest Start Are NSFW

    Rationalizing the Value of RISP Issues

    5 Bucs Dugout

    7-run 5th inning keys 10-5 Pirates win

    Bucs Dugout Podcast: Pie, Morneau, Cole, and September

    6 Rumbunter

    Pirates Garrett Jones Has Become Public Enemy Number One


    Game 127: Pirates 10 Giants 5

    8 The Green Weenie

    Wandy Still In Pain; Will Visit Doctor Andrews Next Week

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates 10 Giants 5

  22. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    10 San Francisco Chronicle

    Pirates bounce Cain, then sink Giants

    11 San Jose Mercury News

    Matt Cain injured as San Francisco Giants routed by Pittsburgh Pirates

    12 City of Champions

    Pirates avoid early danger, rout Giants to open series

    13 USA Today

    Braun admits to PED use: ‘I was in denial’

    14 IS Sports

    Playoffs or bust for Pittsburgh Pirates

    15 Cincinnati Enquirer

    Reds take three of four against Diamondbacks

    16 CBS Sports

    Pirates vs Giants Game Preview

    Pirates’ patience with Pedro Alvarez now paying long-distance dividends

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Strauss: Cards, Braves not so similar in postseason

    18 PBC Site

    Pirates ride seven-run frame to win over Giant

    Notebook: Wandy to see surgeon for arm diagnosis


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    11 Plays for Which We Wish We’d Had Instant Replay Review

    20 Fangraphs

    Multi-Year Deals for Relievers: An Ugly Retrospective

  23. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Steelers Le’Veon Bell views foot sprain as ‘blessing in disguise’

    Coach Tomlin intends for Steelers starters to play entire first half against Chiefs

    22 Steelers Depot

    Roethlisberger Says Wheaton Doesn’t Make The Same Mistake Twice


    23 London Evening Standard

    Arsenal will break the bank to sign Karim Benzema

    24 World Soccer Daily

    World Soccer Daily: 10 stories you need to read, 22nd August, 2013


    25 Pensburgh

    Pens Points 8/22: Expand NHL Video Replay? We Took All the Captains, So Let’s Pick New Ones

  24. JAL says:

    California Sun The Rivieras 1964 Short lived group out of South Bend, Indiana. California Sun made it to number 5 the same week the Beatles first hit number 1.

  25. What was that famous injury (it had a name) that Bill Clinton had?

    A crooked cigar?

  26. Joshua Banks says:

    The new envogue and fairly unique to hockey injuries are “hips.” Hip impingement, labral tears etc are becoming more and more common as the diagnosis has improved and scopes have been added to hip replacement which was the only option before. I had two hip surgeries performed by one of the Hurricanes doctors and came into contact with several other players from all levels of hockey.
    As for baseball specific injuries, I believe there was a strained eyelid once.

  27. Drew71 says:

    I use it as an excuse, too.

    Not sure we’re talking about the same thing.

  28. Drew71 says:

    Stop it.

    This is SUPPOSED to be a Logic Free Zone.

  29. Jandy says:

    Thanks for the chuckles, guys :)

  30. Brandie says:

    You would be the one to put yours in a sling.

    Good Morning Drew-k of Earl.

  31. Drew71 says:

    That’s not a sling.

    Good Morning, Duchess.

  32. Drew71 says:

    Jones cannot hit. He’s lost. Sit him.

    (Hey. It worked yesterday. I’m wearing the same underroo’s, too.)

  33. Brandie says:

    OK, a cast then.

  34. I got the feeling last night that Clint Hurdle was telling Jeff Locke, “the right to pitch is something that has to be earned.”

    Even though the game was tied at 3 after 4 innings, Gomez was up because Locke kept putzing around the strike zone, throwing 73 pitches.

    Even after the Bucs scored all those runs in the top of the 5th and it would have been easy to throw Locke back out there to get the ‘W’, the right to pitch is something that has to be earned.

    And Hurdle was telling Locke, “Get back in the game, Bud!” “If you’re going to pitch for me, you need to control the game——not let the game control you.”

    Tough love! Hopefully, message received.

  35. Brandie says:


  36. Jandy says:


  37. Jandy says:

    For injuries, I submit Trigger Finger.

  38. Jandy says:

    Glad to see you smiling today, John :)

  39. Jandy says:

    hey Brandicita!

  40. Jandy says:

    Is that what they call it these days? A cigar?

  41. Brandie says:

    It’s the lovely Jandelicia!

  42. Drew71 says:

    “Better question: Why do we only ever hear about it relating to football when other sports also, you know, use feet?”

    Even better question:

    – What body parts do, you know, columnists use?

    So good it makes my head explode, if I do say so myselfacevic:

    – Can you think of injuries mostly unique to columnists?

  43. Brandie says:


    George Benson is one sensational jazz guitarist from our beloved Pittsburgh. He’s played with the best and made a wonderful cover of “On Broadway”.

  44. Milo Hamilton says:

    Heard a very interesting interview with Tiki Barber yesterday. He blames the rash of lisfranc injuries on the shoes these guys are wearing. The shoes the manufacturers are making these days are much lighter than they used to be but offer less protection. The injuries come when the back is tackled from behind and the defender is holding onto the ankle. Barber said he used to put a form fitting steel plate as in insole.

    By definition, Bell does not have a lisfranc. Lisfranc is a displacement of the small bones in the mid foot area. The Steelers describe Bell’s injury as a ligament strain.

  45. Karen22 says:


  46. Karen22 says:

    Everyone giddy this morning? ;)

  47. Milo Hamilton says:

    Bruised ego ?

  48. Karen22 says:

    YEAH! I second that emotion! Worked for me, too!

  49. kr70 says:

    writers cramp

  50. Drew71 says:

    Even EYE have limits.

    I have responses to Cast and Trigger Finger. But I’m just gonna breathe and walk away from the iPhone.

    My “restraint” (yeah, sure, let’s call it restraint) reminds me of a Cheers episode and one of my favorite bits about Sam’s restraint…

    Sam: I don’t date women who are married, underage or comatose.

    Carla: Hey! He added one.

    PS. He didn’t say Date. See? More restraint.

  51. kr70 says:

    knuncle bender or maybe just bender

  52. Drew71 says:

    Nothing bruised about it.

  53. kr70 says:

    carpel tunnel

  54. Brandie says:

    Bruised lung, bruised kidney, lacerated liver, lacerated kidney (Football).

  55. Drew71 says:

    Ah. LisfrancGate.

  56. Karen22 says:

    Sounds good to me. Just can’t give that many free passes and expect the offense to show up like last night and bail you out. Locke just looks fatigued.

  57. Did Locke strain a Trigger Finger running the bases maybe?

  58. Jandy says:

    Fire Belichick!

  59. Jandy says:

    Join the party :)

  60. Jandy says:

    C’mon, Drew Dahling, let it ALL hang out!

  61. Jandy says:

    He might have! ;)

  62. Brandie says:

    That could get messy!

  63. Jandy says:

    I’m ready for it…besides, he’s in Florida, I’m in Pennsylvania…

  64. TJ says:

    Locke does not hit if the game is tied or they are behind. Being up 4 you don’t wast a pinch hitter in that situation.

    God forbid the Giants come back and tie the game and we have one less hitter going into extras when you’ve already got Marte injured and on the roster. Was 100% the correct move.

  65. Wild Bill says:

    Thanks, Milo. The Tiki Bar knows a lot and I’ve enjoyed listening to him when I get the chance. Hope Bell continues to make a quick recovery!

  66. TJ says:

    We should consider predicting what day/game the Pirates will reach their 82nd win. Its not the goal but to a Pirates fan its the first step.

    I’m going to go with Saturday August 7 at the Cardinals.

    Sad thing is unless they go on a really good winning streak they will likely hit 82 on the road when they start a 9 game trip against the Brewers/Cards/Rangers.

  67. Brandie says:

    It’s Rarin’ Karen.

  68. Jandy says:

    or hamstring injury…just ask Lionel Messi.

  69. Milo Hamilton says:

    Heard this morning that part of Bell’s rehab is picking up marbles with his toes.

  70. Dom says:

    I think you mean September 7th. I’d say September 13th.

  71. Wild Bill says:

    Nice to see Brandon Saad get his big day wit Lord Stanley’s punch bowl. I can think of some other teams where these days would be a lot less fun to watch. It’s time for the Pens to stop messin’ around.

  72. TJ says:

    I would not be at all surprised if Cumpton goes into the rotation come Sept 1 rather than Gomez. I think they like having Gomez as the long relief guy. Why mess with him now; he’s doing a good job of it.

  73. TJ says:

    DOH. Yeah I meant Sept 7.

    I hope its not the 13th; I live for vacation that day. I want to be home to watch the game on local TV

  74. Jandy says:

    Whose marbles??? Bens???

  75. John Lease says:

    Wins are a great tonic. Now, if I had some gin to go with that, I’d be a very happy camper…

  76. Wild Bill says:

    I might be able to handle that myself this morning. Suit me up for next week.

  77. Jandy says:

    Yes and Yes!

  78. Jandy says:

    I have some Cap’n Morgan’s….I’ll share lol

  79. Drew71 says:

    As stoopid as that sounds, I was assigned that same home exercise for a different foot/leg issue.

    (I didn’t do it.)

  80. Jandy says:

    Teddy Bear, where is the vaca destination?

  81. TJ says:

    Annual trip to Disney. 9 wonderful days of relaxation; hah more like 9 days of running from park to park with the kids but love every minute of it.

  82. Brandie says:

    Thank you Miss Jandy.

  83. Nate83 says:

    Burnt tongue from early afternoon starbucks coffee.

  84. Karen22 says:

    That’s a good option, too.

  85. Wild Bill says:

    Great Morning to you, Jandy the Early Riser. You are likely several caffeines ahead of me.

  86. Brandie says:

    That is a sound option. Why mess with something that’s proven?

  87. Jandy says:

    haha yeah!

  88. Brandie says:

    Is there a need to visit Dr. Andrews for that? Might as well CL you.

  89. Don’t forget Karenita.

  90. Jandy says:

    If it’s not broke, don’t fix it!!!

  91. Jandy says:

    right on Revvie!

  92. Brandie says:

    Preach on, Non-Domesticated William!

  93. Jandy says:

    LOL Bill, I’m on my third cuppa ;)

  94. NMR says:

    You have kids?!

    Just kidding! :)

  95. Jandy says:

    Enjoy them now…Have TONS of fun!

  96. TJ says:

    As for the injury question DK posed I would offer up these…

    Strained oblique — only really started coming up in baseball a few years ago
    Torn achilles — football and if stomped on in hockey
    Tommy john — outside of baseball not really happening
    Torn triceps — football
    Turf toe — football

  97. Wild Bill says:

    Ah, Brandie. Every time I see your name I think about a notorious night during grad school that I can barely remember at all. Hope you don’t also leave your loved ones with a terrible headache.

  98. TJ says:

    So my wife tells me.

  99. Brandie says:

    Good Morning, Blogateers!

  100. TJ says:

    Oh thats for sure and I’m doing everything I can to avoid a lisfranc over the next few weeks

  101. Nate83 says:

    They will have 9 games to get 7 wins to achieve win 82 at home. That’s not impossible but it’s also not likely. It would be awesome to do it in the final game against the Cards before they go on the road. What an atmosphere that would be.

  102. Brandie says:

    Hope I, er, it, was worth it!

  103. John Lease says:

    Friday, August 30th against the Cardinals.

  104. TJ says:

    Kurt Suzuki going back to the A’s from the Nationals.

  105. Wild Bill says:

    It was, and I’m sure you are!

  106. TJ says:

    If the Pirates go on a skid and fall back into 3rd in the division before reaching 82 wins; will the place still be as exciting?

  107. Lad9 says:

    Good morning Brandie and Crue!

  108. Wild Bill says:

    No, TJ. Expectations have risen. I want the Bucs to celebrate 82 in first place. Call me greedy, but call me.

  109. Jandy says:

    Hey it’s Rad Lad, an awesome Crue member ;)

  110. Nate83 says:

    I wish they could have taken care of this last year. They are so far above .500 right now that it is a foregone conclusion that it will happen. It will rightly be celebrated by long time fans that truly did stick with them the last 20 years but we all know there is something more to be excited about.

    When they are currently tied with the Dodgers for the second best record in all of baseball (that still doesn’t sound right) it’s hard to get too excited about win number 82.

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    From USA Today in JAL’s link #13 on Braun’s “apology”:

    “It’s nice to get his full view, his side of things, I guess,” Neil Walker of the Pittsburgh Pirates said Thursday. “As a player, it’s refreshing to hear the whole truth. But from another player in the game of baseball’s standpoint, it doesn’t really change too much, to be honest with you.”

    This was described as an example of an “indifferent” response, in contrast to anger, which it said might sting Braun more than the vitriol.

  112. Nate83 says:

    I like your thinking John. 8 game win streak would be awesome.

  113. Lad9 says:

    Got the same feeling. STFD if you can’t throw strikes.

  114. Jandy says:

    friggin P*ssy!

  115. NMR says:

    As refreshing as hot chocolate in August.

    Neil, wtf?

  116. 21sthebest says:

    Here you go Jandy. From the beaches of Hilton Head (I hope this works).

  117. Lad9 says:

    Lively blog this morning. Many chuckles. I wonder if pit crew members get Lis Franc injuries when the driver runs over their foot, which has been known to happen??

  118. Jandy says:

    yeah, and slap him too!

  119. 21sthebest says:

    And don’t worry. I’m not going Bowser on you. That’s the only picture I’m posting.

  120. Jandy says:

    AWESOME 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It’s raised!!!!

  121. TJ says:

    That wasn’t an apology

    He said he used PEDs in 2011 for a “short period of time” to help with a nagging injury.

    If thats the case; and it was only a short period of time why does he get 62 games but the rest only get 50 games? They can’t use the arbitration thing against him cause he won that on a loop hole. They didn’t claim he did not use PED during that case.

    That wasn’t an apology; it could not have come across more fake. And really kind of insulting to think that the public would believe that it was for a “short period” of time and yet he gets 62 games.

  122. Jandy says:

    haha I don’t mind Bowser, his kids are cute :)

  123. TJ says:

    Agreed and agreed. Lets hope this isn’t like the trade deadline where we where under whelmed.

  124. Lad9 says:

    That is great! Will show this to my dearly beloved, with whom I have a running…umm.. “debate” about the need for a flagpole at the old homestead. Should make for a lively evening. Thanks 2 1.

  125. Jim S. says:

    I think Gomez is that odd pitcher who is not really great out of the bullpen consistently because, for some reason, he loses effectiveness if he throws more than a couple of days per week. Even he has said that. And, he also loses effectiveness, according to Hurdle, after about 65-70 pitches in a start. So, it is tough to get much more than 5 innings out of him as a starter. But, when he has been rested and ready this year (like last night), he has been terrific. He gets out of innings quickly. Keeps the ball down in the zone and gets ground balls.

    I am not criticizing him for what he is. In fact, he is very unique and valuable. You don’t find many guys that can stay fairly stretched out all season long without consistent work. He was a great find by NH. A real savior this year for the staff.

  126. NMR says:

    Ha, isn’t it amazing how many of these guys supposedly get caught after using “just once” or a “short period of time”?

    Makes me think back to mom finding pot in my sock drawer. I swear I just tried it once!

  127. AJS says:

    At the point Locke hit though they had a 4 run lead. I guess they thought that they could save a bench bat by letting Locke hit. But there was a man in scoring position. it all worked out as Locke singled and the scored 3 more in the inning but it seemed odd to let him hit only to not let him pitchthe 5th to try and secure a win. Makes sense from the Jenmar angle but letting Locke hit with a guy in scoring position seemed odd.

  128. Jandy says:

    friggin Pussy!

  129. Nate83 says:

    I’m still trying to figure out how the guy can hold a huge media event and stand up there and pronounce his innocents, talk about being wrongly accused and esstailly commit what is now slander against others when he was found not guilty and then just release a statement like this after it’s all proven to be true.

    Be a man and stand in front of the media now and answer the hard questions. His teammates are currently doing that because of him. I guy lost his job because of him. All other players lost credibility because of him. A large amount of money and time was wasted because of him. Arizona got eliminated from the playoffs because of him that year.

    I also don’t beleive he only used it at the end of 2011. I think he is giving us 25% of the truth and hoping that is good enough. Most cheaters are liars as well and only tell any version of the truth after being painted into a corner.

  130. Jim S. says:

    I was this close (holds index and thumb 1/4″ apart) to saying it is time to dump Jones. Then, he got up last night and launched one. I still think he is not seeing the ball particularly well, and is therefore getting himself out on too many at bats by chasing balls up high in the zone or low and away. But, maybe last night was the start of something good for him.

  131. AJS says:

    Not o mention before Jenny could evengo 5 at this point he wuld likely need to be stretched out through bull pens and such.

  132. Jandy says:

    ha! You’re being generous, Nate. Maybe 10% of the truth, if that.

  133. Jandy says:

    Cue Hipposter!

  134. Jim S. says:

    I could not agree more, Groat! I was thinking Hurdle was telling him, “You didn’t earn this win tonight, and I’m not going to just give it to you.” I was thinking tough love also.

  135. TJ says:

    What I think is interesting is that this statement could come back to haunt him in his civil cases if those that are suing him have concrete evidence. As unlikely as it is this could bury what is left of his character if its proven that this too was a lie.

  136. Jandy says:

    Well, said, Jim S. And I totally agree with you.

  137. Jim S. says:


  138. Jandy says:

    wow, I can’t believe I didn’t get tarred and feathered for this one!

  139. Jandy says:

    we can only hope!

  140. Drew71 says:

    Doctor Nikolas Van Helsing.

  141. Jim S. says:


  142. Nate83 says:

    I think because he lied during the investigation and obviously during the original attempt to suspend him.

    I’m sure he has used it way more then for just that injury but I don’t think the 62 games instead of 50 has anything to do with that.

  143. Jim S. says:

    You hit the nail on the head, TJ. 9 days of running park to park. Exhausting stuff. All those lines, all the waiting. But, the kids love it and I know some of my best memories late in life will be thinking back to a couple Disney trips.

  144. Drew71 says:


  145. Lad9 says:

    LOL I went live on the blog last night and said he has not been a major league hitter of late after an entire season of believing he would break out. Within 5 minutes he put a ball in the water. I am considering doing the same thing for Jeff Locke before his next start. I could be like the back cover of Sports Illustrated! :)

  146. Kevin says:

    Can someone explain to me why Locke did NOT get the win last night? I mean… he factored in on one of the runs that won the game in the top of the 5th?

  147. Jandy says:

    Some of my memories with my youngest include “Jasmine”. Oh, the stars in the eyes of a child :)

  148. Jandy says:


  149. Arriba Wilver says:

    And, like Arod, he only used them AFTER he signed his big contract.

  150. Jandy says:

    Love it…BACK cover of SI lol

  151. Jandy says:

    Friggin P*ssies!

  152. Arriba Wilver says:

    A starter has to pitch 5 innings to be eligible to get the win.

  153. Kevin says:

    DK, spot on with the sports-specific injuries. I used to play soccer 15 or so years ago. Remember one of the guys on my team got speared in the calf by an opponents hard slide with cleats up, broke his leg in 2 places… had to have been atleast partially due to a stress fracture though.

    Another good sports-specific injury for football… turf-toe!

  154. Nate83 says:

    I just can’t wait until 15-20 years from now when some of these guys waste away their money and write books that expose just how much PED’s were used between 1990 and 2010. I don’t think many or any will give specific names but I think we will hear how readily available it was and percentage of guys using.

    I’m on the side that doesn’t blame the players for use during that time period. I beleive it was very common and baseball allowed it to happen. It is much differant now. A player using now I do blame because baseball has put an emphasis on getting it out of the game and a majority of players are playing without the benefit of it. I just don’t like it when somebody is caught with their hand in the cookie jar and they still fight it. Just man up and say I am aware of what I was putting in my body and I got caught. Don’t even apoligize to your teammates or fans. Your not sorry, your only sorry you got caught.

  155. Wild Bill says:

    Jandy, I think the caffeine has fully kicked in!

  156. Kevin says:

    bah ok… forgot about that. Thanks Arriba.

  157. Milo Hamilton says:

    “Rehabilitation-like exercises”. – Tomlin kills me.

  158. NMR says:

    Because he’s disgustingly entitled, Nate.

    You see the same thing with celebrities, Wall Street bankers, oil tycoons, and trust fund babies.

    Money deludes them into thinking they are above us peons, and entitles them to superiority.

  159. Wild Bill says:

    Nate, the PEDs of the last decade or so are simply the evolution of pharmacology from the amphetamines that Jim Bouton wrote about long ago in Ball Four. Fifteen to twenty years from now, I’m afraid that we will be discussing the new drugs of that era rather than thinking back to the bad old days when PEDs were a problem. An ugly opinion, I know.

  160. 21sthebest says:

    Friends of ours did this. I can’t take credit!

  161. theplanisworking says:

    Plano. Love it!

  162. Jandy says:

    well, guess what? They don’t drink milk and ch*t ice cream!

  163. theplanisworking says:

    Never knew groin strains and headaches were interchangeable……….

  164. Jandy says:

    It’s getting there! ;)

  165. Jandy says:

    Credit to you for sharing, my friend :)

  166. Jandy says:


  167. Jandy says:

    Hipposter in DaHouse….

  168. Milo Hamilton says:

    Judging by last night’s all important 3rd pre-season game (Translation: not important at all), the Patriots & the Ravens stink. Yeah, sure they do.

  169. theplanisworking says:

    Morning, miss Headache. ;)

    Good win for the Bucs last night.
    Tabata, Jones, Walker, Cutch all did well.
    They need to keep this up, as neal will be asleep til Aug. 31.

  170. Jandy says:

    I don’t watch and they blow out the Giants. If I watch tonight, what will happen?
    But…we brought home the Shelby, she’s beautiful :)

  171. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t forget politicians. Although they may be in a class by themselves. :-)

  172. Jandy says:

    Yeah, they stink, and I’m Mother Theresa ;)

  173. theplanisworking says:

    TMI !!!!

    Or maybe Poodle-oos?

  174. Wild Bill says:

    Right, Milo. The only things preseason games are good for are: 1) the bottom lines of the owners, 2) injuring important players, 3) deciding if your rookies can play and 4) deciding who the last five players on the roster will be.

  175. Jandy says:

    they stink just as bad lol

  176. theplanisworking says:

    Mystery Migraine.

    Or Lockjaw……..

  177. TJ says:

    Jandy you touched on a good point. The stars in their eyes. We’ve taken them the last 2 years; and each of the last 2 years we waited either till the morning we were leaving or the night before. This year we broke down and told them we were going.

    So as a surprise this year I bought them both an inexpensive camera that holds a memory card so that they can take pictures of what they want to take pictures of; not just being stuck in pictures we take.

    I really want to see disney through their eyes. I’m sure we will see lots of concrete and thumb prints but I think it will be awesome regardless.

  178. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah, but, aren’t you really… nevermind.

  179. Jim S. says:

    + many, Jandy!

  180. theplanisworking says:

    What color?
    What engine?

  181. theplanisworking says:

    FIRE GOODELL !!!!!!

  182. Milo Hamilton says:


    The Steelers have traded linebacker Adrian Robinson to the Eagles for running back Felix Jones. You might remember him at Arkansas & with the Cowboys.

    That lisfranc worse than they’re letting on ? They really hate Jonathan Dwyer.

  183. Jim S. says:


  184. theplanisworking says:


  185. Nate83 says:

    No politics on this blog.

  186. Dom says:

    Sounds like a good deal to me.

  187. Wild Bill says:

    Maybe it’s Redman who is living on the edge.

  188. TJ says:

    Felix Jones taken 22nd overall and Rashard Mendenhall taken 23rd overall in 2008.

    If the Steelers have acquired Jones; it could mean the PUP for Bell or it could mean the end of Redman or Batch.

    Or it could simply mean they are bringing him for a look and if they don’t think he’ll fit they will cut him

  189. Nate83 says:

    Great now he can ruin the real life football team I like instead of just the fantasy one I ran 3 years ago.

  190. Jandy says:

    TJ, the camera is a perfect idea. Lord, it was 23 years ago we went for the second time…and I remember the look in her eyes like it was yesterday. Made the entire trip worthwhile :)

    Jim S., thanks friend :)

  191. Milo Hamilton says:

    They like Redman but he gets hurt.

  192. Jandy says:


  193. buggee says:

    professional badminton players have embarrassing gas

  194. Jandy says:

    Bingo!!!! l:*

  195. Jandy says:

    Please do!

  196. TJ says:

    Hah! TO is suing Drew Rosenhaus for 6.5 million. Claims he introduced him to a financial adviser who made a series of bad investments that cost him millions.

    Poor guy

  197. Milo Hamilton says:

    The end of Dwyer if anyone. They’ve had it up to here with the guy.

  198. theplanisworking says:

    I heard my name??????????? ;)

  199. Wild Bill says:

    Fantasies should not be about football.

  200. theplanisworking says:

    You need spellcheck !!

  201. TJ says:

    Someone has to go…


  202. Jim S. says:

    Couldn’t agree more. I have been saying since word leaked of Braun’s pending apology that it would not really be an apology in the sense that he would come clean about what he did. I knew it would be more along the lines of “I’m sorry I let you all down. I’m not perfect – although I’m still pretty close to that.”

    I knew Braun was going to say:

    1) It was a very short term thing – Ah, the Andy Pettitte defense. Just a bad decision that he quickly reversed the minute he found out it was illegal. Maybe he was talked into it.
    2) He was merely rehabbing an injury – Let’s face it, when you boil it down, he was doing it for his teammates and Brewers Nation, and not for selfish reasons. If you look at it in that light, he almost becomes “heroic.”
    3) He wasn’t taking the hard stuff – just a few lozenges … you know, like what you take for a cough; and no needles … the bad guys use needles, while the good guys use lozenges and creams.
    4) He was instructed by somebody else that this would get him on the field quicker – working the team concept again. Can’t let anyone down.
    5) Told himself he was not really doing anything wrong – His alter ego is guilty at most.

    Braun is, was and always will be a pathological liar. I think he has been juicing since college, and there is more to come on this. I don’t think his apology will ring true with anyone but Brewers fans and his teammates.

  203. Scott says:

    Because you have a chance to add on? Scoring opportunities are hard to come by for this team – why not pretend you’re the Cardinals and actually go for the kill when you have the chance? There’s no reason to “save the bench” in that instance.

    Of course since Locke got a hit, Clint Hurdle is a genius.

  204. Jandy says:


  205. theplanisworking says:

    P-O-S-S-E-.. ;)

  206. theplanisworking says:

    I just give up……… ;)

  207. Jim S. says:

    Andy Pettitte. That guy gets a total pass now.

  208. TJ says:

    Btw anyone see Doug Murray signed with the Canadians for 1 year at 1.5 mil

  209. theplanisworking says:

    How did your dog get in this discussion?

  210. Jim S. says:

    Didn’t Pete Rose run him over in an All Star game, plan?

  211. Jim S. says:

    Or, was that the ape lady?

  212. Jandy says:

    Convertible, yes.
    It’s a Shelby GT350 with the 4.6 engine (yes hubby would like a 5.0 but the Shebly 5.0’s run over $75K) She is mystic metallic blue – a rare color – and she has the plate inside with Carroll Shelby’s signature. In 2008 Shelby only made 3.5’s. I told hubby not to worry, we’d upgrade to the 5.0 Shelby when he hits the lottery :)

  213. SeanAY says:

    I’m not 100 percent on the rules, but I don’t think Bell could go on the PUP since he didn’t start camp on it. He could, however, be bound for the eight-week IR.

  214. JD says:


  215. Jandy says:

    I’d add a picture but I don’t know how to do that.

  216. Nate83 says:

    That is funny and couldn’t happen to two better people. I can’t imagine that lawsuit goes far unless Rosenhaus somehow benefitted from it himself.

  217. theplanisworking says:


    No tire tracks near my Pond!

  218. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s not politics.

  219. Nate83 says:

    I didn’t realize Dwyer was in the dog house. You are usually right about stuff like this so I will take your word on it.

  220. Jim S. says:

    I’ve heard it said by a writer that covers the Brewers, whom I heard on MLB Network a few weeks back that Braun has a huge superiority complex. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else. The guy said Braun would try to thread the needle on this apology. What I mean is, as I said above, he would seem to apologize but still make us think that he almost had to cheat to help his team and his city. Who among us can understand the pressure he faces daily, blah, blah, blah. Save it, Ryan. You aren’t smarter than us, and the hole you have been digging just gets deeper and deeper.

  221. Jandy says:

    You did :)

  222. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hope Dwyer has a good game Saturday so they can get a higher pick when they trade him. Or, now that we’re allowed to trade player for player, some offensive line depth.

  223. Jandy says:

    It’s about time LOL!

  224. Jandy says:

    pssst…nate…you forgot the ;)

  225. theplanisworking says:

    You do need spellcheck.
    I thought Nuns knew how to spell.
    They did in Catholic school…….

  226. Jandy says:


  227. Arriba Wilver says:

    Does he stink?

  228. Jandy says:


  229. Jim S. says:

    I think he spends most of the off-season coming up with cute ways to say simple things.

  230. Jandy says:

    Yeah I thought he was one of the few Steelers who played well Monday night.

  231. theplanisworking says:


  232. Jandy says:

    LOL! + MANY

  233. Arriba Wilver says:

    He sure did. ;-)

  234. Jandy says:

    yes I saw that. I was hoping we could keep CrankShaft…wasn’t to be…

  235. Scott says:

    Another bad start or two from Locke and I would absolutely put Gomez back in the rotation. He won’t give you 8 innings per start, but he’s a proven commodity, unlike Cumpton, who has all of four major league appearances to his name. I’m not throwing a guy with a total of 1 career win into the rotation in the middle of a pennant race.

  236. Jandy says:

    Funny this is, Hipposter, her name is Shelby :)

  237. Jim S. says:

    Seems like a worthwhile trade, but I think you hit the nail on the head. They may be cautiously optimistic that Bell comes back quickly. But, when a guy injures his legs/feet 3x in his first camp + 1 exhibition game … there is concern.

  238. Jandy says:

    Haha! No worries there ;)

  239. Arriba Wilver says:

    Tomlin was upset with his conditioning when he got to camp, I think, even though he came in lighter.

  240. JohninOshkosh says:

    NMR, where’s the comment ? :)

  241. Nate83 says:

    He actually showed flashes of being really good early in his career. Never seemed to be able to become an everydown back and avoid injuries. Didn’t hear much about him last year so I’m not sure what he is still capable of doing.

  242. theplanisworking says:

    You might run over Ghost………. ;)

  243. theplanisworking says:

    As long as you dont have a snake named “Cobra”, you will be ok…..

  244. Arriba Wilver says:

    The only thing that would have surprised anybody on the blog was a sincere apology. Not in his DNA.

  245. Milo Hamilton says:

    He showed up this spring closer to 300 pounds than 200. Now he looks as good as ever. But for how long ? They have serious issues with his lack of motivation.

  246. Jandy says:

    I sure don’t want to run over Ghostie ;)

  247. Jandy says:

    Nope , no Cobras here

  248. JohninOshkosh says:

    Two guys named Felix playing on the North Shore. Just need a couple of Oscars.

  249. Lad9 says:

    Why does the name Shelby not suprise me… :)

  250. Jandy says:



  251. Jim S. says:

    Liz Frank? Barnie’s sister? Lovely woman.

    Reminds me of a VW commercial I saw awhile back where they said “Lisa Jetta.” I thought I remembered her from HS Biology class. Turns out they were saying “Lease a Jetta.”

    You have to love Jeanmar Gomez. All he does is step in at exactly the right time and save the day. I don’t know how many innings he can give as a consistent starter because CH says he loses effectiveness by the 70 pitch mark. But, we can get him back up to 5 innings, I think. Maybe he and Locke can be considered a tandem when it is their turn in the rotation.

    GI Jones. I was just about to give up on you. Please keep it up.

    Tabby – Do not get any new ideas with this talk of lisfranc. You are getting some key hits, and we really need that right now. I like it when you don’t have mysterious ailments popping up overnight.

    Starling – Please come back! You are really good, even with the strikeouts.

    Neil Walker vs. RHP is on base, one way or another, a couple of times most nights.

    Pedro – Don’t make your long doubles bounce so high, please! That’s all I can come up. He was clutch last night.

    Cutch is seeing the ball real well right now. I can usually tell because he stops swinging at pitches just off the outside edge. When he gets the count in his favor, and even takes some walks, look out.

    Jordy can hit. He is not Barmes in the field, but he can hit. He destroys lefties.

  252. Arriba Wilver says:

    I have some stunning video of the concrete down there. Not from the kids, but from me forgetting to turn off the video camera.

  253. Jandy says:

    LOL, AW!

  254. Wild Bill says:

    Great, now we will have him trying to smush Sid and Geno into the glass several more times per year than when he played in the west.

  255. Lad9 says:

    And they hate his fumbling. BTW I don’t believe that Bell is eligible for the PUP list. “A player who, as a result of football-related injuries, is unable to take part in training camp practices may be assigned to the preseason PUP list. Players can be moved off the PUP list to the active roster at any time, even after one practice. A player cannot be placed on the PUP list, however, once he has taken the field for a practice, even if only for a few minutes.”

  256. Jim S. says:

    Dun da dun da dahh … dun da dah dun da dahhh-dahhh.

    Well, I took a shot at the Odd Couple theme, Osh.

  257. apk says:

    Baseball only injury: hamate bone.

  258. jds182 says:

    For injuries

    root canal – hockey

  259. JohninOshkosh says:

    Woke up and read Dejan’s entry.

    I couldn’t help but picture Groat sitting in the Oakland Zoo next to some guy dressed up as a gorilla. He’s just sitting there, happy as a clam, with his blue and white pom poms and his Blue Devil temporary tattoos on his cheek.

  260. Jandy says:

    Newbies and lurkers, we want to chat with you. If you post your hometown, Bizrow will add it to the list of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum.
    Don’t be shy, we don’t bite :)

  261. Jandy says:

    lol good one!

  262. Lad9 says:

    Good one apk. Nasty injury. A hitter usually takes an entire to make a full comeback.

  263. TJ says:

    The Cowboys had Demarco Murray running the ball. But if you look at his career numbers he’s at nearly 5 yards per carry.

    I think we should look at it from the opposite aspect…. Was Adrian Robinson going to make this team as a LB?

    If not then there is no harm in trading for Jones and giving him a look. Even if he doesn’t make the team its not a loss as its unlikely that Robinson would have made the team.

  264. Lad9 says:

    I thnk that about covers him Nate. The talent is there but…..

  265. Jim S. says:

    True, Arriba.

  266. TJ says:

    Since we are on the topic of injuries….

    Have you ever seen so many tight ends going down with injuries in the NFL?

  267. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Yea they only put up 7 runs in that inning……stupid Hurdle.

  268. Jandy says:

    It’s p*ssy, NOT posse :P

  269. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, the power just goes away completely for a long time from that little bone.

  270. Dom says:

    Even though I like the addition of Felix Jones, I feel the Steelers should focus much more on the pass. When we won the superbowl in 2008, we did it mainly with an offense that focuses on the pass. Of course, that was due to necessity as we were literally down to a 3rd down back.

    Our best chance is to let Ben loose and allow him to make plays.

  271. Nate83 says:

    I was just joking about the fantasy stuff. I think it’s a good trade that is low risk/decent reward. If nothing else he could be a valuable third down back although Howlings would seem to fit that role as well. At this point it seems like we just may need to start each running back for 1/4 of the season.

  272. JohninOshkosh says:


    Marquis Grissom: Strained buttocks.
    Sammy Sosa: Sneeze.
    Jeff Kent: “Washing” truck.
    Kevin Mitchell: Eating cupcake.


    Art Schlichter: Gambling addiction.

  273. Jim S. says:

    How could Adrian Robinson break through our stellar corps of LB’s to make the team?

  274. JohninOshkosh says:


  275. theplanisworking says:

    I think Biz forgot to put bigchinook from Niceville Florida on the list.

  276. Jandy says:

    I think he did too

  277. theplanisworking says:

    If we did, it would be cruelty to dumb animals……..

  278. Lad9 says:

    Jonathan Lucroy – wife dropped suitcase on hand
    Francisco Liriano – broke arm scaring kids
    Derek Bell – injured while shut down boat…um, wait a minute…

  279. Arriba Wilver says:

    Clint Barmes: breaking collarbone carrying deer meat up some steps.

  280. theplanisworking says:

    That was Morganna……… ;)

  281. theplanisworking says:


  282. theplanisworking says:

    Sounds like a certain GM………

    Hi Frank !!!

  283. theplanisworking says:

    What is this doing way down here?????????

  284. Drew71 says:

    Didn’t somebody once get injured on his honeymoon? No foolin.

  285. theplanisworking says:

    Maybe because you bite! ;)

  286. Drew71 says:

    I’m restraining myself

  287. bizrow says:

    Niceville was already on the list

  288. Jandy says:

    hellifIknow lol

  289. TJ says:

    You forgot a few John:

    Glenallen Hill – cut his foot on a glass table during his dream about spiders
    Jeff Kent — broken wrist “washing his truck”
    Greg Harris – strained elbow — flicking sunflower seeds
    Rob Deer — broken hand — broke it striking out
    John Smoltz — chest burn — tried to iron a shirt THE ONE HE WAS WEARING!
    Vince Coleman –missed the entire 1985 World Series after being run over by the automatic tarp machine

  290. Jandy says:


  291. Jandy says:

    ahhhhhhh sorry Biz…

    Hipposter, I do not! ;)

  292. Arriba Wilver says:

    Haley has said they want to improve the running game to make the passing game more effective. No worries.

  293. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s not even a given that Jones makes the team. Or passes the physical for that matter.

  294. theplanisworking says:

    I didnt know you spoke Swedish…………….

    I know of 3 Swedish things………..

    Swedish Meatballs
    Swedish Fish
    Swedish Bikini Team.


  295. JohninOshkosh says:

    Only if you are doing it right.

  296. Jandy says:


  297. Jandy says:

    + many lol

  298. theplanisworking says:

    Mr. Biz.

    I humbly nominate Mr. Barney Dreyfuss for consideration. He merged his Louisville club into the Pirates, making them a powerhouse. He built Forbes Field, at the time, the finest ballpark in the world. And, he kept the Pirates here during lean times.

    Thank You.

  299. Jandy says:

    A Swedish Hippo, who’da thunk it!

  300. Drew71 says:

    Can we put Thunder on that list, TJ?

  301. Lad9 says:

    LOL They do have medicine for that…

  302. Jandy says:

    Isn’t he tall enough?

  303. Jim S. says:

    I was thinking that also. At least put up a better hitting pitcher. Well, sadly, maybe Locke is as good as it gets for our group of pitchers when it comes to hitting.

  304. theplanisworking says:

    I know a-Inga fromma Sveden…….. ;)

  305. Jim S. says:

    +++, Karen.

  306. Jandy says:

    But is it a PED???

  307. Wild Bill says:

    Just noticed that Lemire at Sports Illustrated ranks the Cards as the number one MLB team at the moment, with the Bucs at 11. Anyone else smell disrespect, here?

  308. JohninOshkosh says:

    Coleman’s is the all time classic, TJ.

  309. Jandy says:

    yup…something stinks…

  310. Jandy says:

    Ok gotta go…breaktime…colleague is leaving for another job…catch you loonies later..

  311. Jim S. says:

    I jumped all over JHay one day vs. Washington. Low and behold, he had the best day of his career.

  312. Arriba Wilver says:

    It is a lozenge.

  313. NMR says:

    Love this, Jim.

    A while back I mentioned rarely, if ever looking up Andrew McCutchen’s number for the simple fact that I never worried about him. But my gosh, the man is somewhat quietly putting together a monster year. Saw goodbye to the second half slump stigma, Andrew.

    I laughed at the Tabby joke. Possibly the only ailment he has yet to endure. Really a shame, too, because he’s putting up the kind of numbers just about any team wouldn’t mind out of a 3rd/4th outfielder.

    Sure hope Jordy can punch back once the league adjusts to him next year.

  314. Jim S. says:

    Well, Arriba, you’ll always have “concrete” evidence that you took the kids on that trip.

  315. Drew71 says:

    You DO know that Dejan reads these things, don’t you?

    I would never SAY that.

    Well. Not directly.

  316. Dom says:

    Same can be true for Robinson though, right?

  317. Jim S. says:

    Morganna … The Kissing Bandit!

    She bounced a lot, as I recall.

  318. Lad9 says:

    I wonder how a cream would work…..

  319. John Lease says:

    I believe that is Milwaukee Journal Sentinal’s Mike Hunt.

    And no, I didn’t make up the name.

  320. NMR says:

    Too predictable? :)

  321. John Lease says:

    It’s still healing, evidently?

  322. Lad9 says:

    Smells like running back by committee again this year. Not my favorite. If you have three starters, you have no starter…..

  323. John Lease says:


    Best part of any work day.

  324. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Me either……..

  325. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, NMR.

    Cutch is getting it done in a big way. I loved about a week ago when he said what happened to him in August last year was not going to happen again this year. He just put it out there. And, all he has done since then is get 2 hits and a walk or two most nights.

    I don’t think Tabby makes up the ailments. I think he genuinely thinks he is injured. Loved it the night before when he self-diagnosed himself with tendinitis to the training staff. Sat out a night, and came back strong last night. Hey, as long as he hits, I can accept giving him his maintenance day or two per week.

  326. Jim S. says:

    Please see that you do, Drew – although I now realize I really teed that one up.

  327. Jim S. says:

    Someone with experience will let us know shortly.

    Wait for it ….

  328. Drew71 says:

    Ah. Pull my Trigger Finger.

  329. Jim S. says:

    Two people from Niceville? Cool.

  330. Jim S. says:

    Behind this line I think he lasts all of about 5 games under that scenario, Dom. Now, if the line protects better and stops improvising ….

    The decade old question, are we better off letting Ben be Ben?

  331. Dom says:

    Doesn’t bother me. It might give the Buccos a “fire in the belly.”

  332. Jim S. says:

    In fairness to Kevin Mitchell, that was a BIG cupcake.

  333. theplanisworking says:

    Is that like Pleasantville?

  334. Jim S. says:

    Someone get this to CH to put up immediately on the bulletin board in the locker room.

  335. Drew71 says:

    I seriously remember something (because I could relate) but couldn’t find it on google.

    Found this, though…

  336. theplanisworking says:

    I never understood how anyone taking creme out of a donut would be of any athletic benefit…….

  337. Drew71 says:

    Here’s a fun story with lots of these, well, unusual injuries.

  338. Jim S. says:

    Well played, John.

  339. Lad9 says:

    Hee hee nice…

  340. Jim S. says:

    And he was great in Jaws!

  341. Jim S. says:

    I was thinking the same thing. I wonder if people treat each other better in Niceville?

  342. Jim S. says:

    I had a boss once that showed up at work on a Friday with a huge shiner, after everyone knew he had been out drinking the night before on a trip out of town. He was known to be a bit of a drinker. Tried saying he got the shiner by running into something in the middle of the night in his hotel room on his way to the bathroom.

    We all thought the thing he ran into was the fist of some woman from the bar’s husband.

  343. theplanisworking says:

    Beats me. ;)

  344. Jim S. says:

    honeymoon hammate. That little bone again.

  345. Arriba Wilver says:


  346. Arriba Wilver says:

    Does everything appear in grayscale?

  347. theplanisworking says:

    Thats right, AW, I forgot about that.

    Um, as long as we dont see too many pink sweaters, I guess we are ok.

  348. Jim S. says:

    ++, AW.

  349. Jim S. says:

    I stuck the “out to lunch” sign up on the blog door. We’re covered for awhile.

  350. theplanisworking says:


  351. TJ says:

    Exactly my point Dom.

    This was a no lose trade. Robinson wasn’t going to make it as a LB. Bring Jones in for a look. If he isn’t any better then cut him. No harm no foul

  352. Jim S. says:

    Jordy’s jock may be getting kind of heavy for CB as well. Just sayin’.

  353. JD says:

    You can bruise his ego, just don’t suggest any column topics or interview questions.

  354. theplanisworking says:

    Cue rim shot………..

  355. Jandy says:

    Hipposter made the show!

    Comment From theplanisworking
    Win, Place, or Show for the Bucs in the Central?

    Dejan Kovacevic:
    All I’ll say is that I’ve thought from Day 1 the Reds were the most talented team in the division, and they’ve got help on the way to go along with their current surge. They’ve always been the team to watch.

    And as usual, Dejan doesn’t answer the question lol

  356. Jim S. says:

    Is that from the Olbermann thing, Jandy?

  357. Jandy says:

    took it from the chat…just now catching up.

  358. Jim S. says:

    Oh, gotcha! I was thinking plan was about to go national.

  359. Jandy says:

    Now THAT would be cool!

  360. Lad9 says:

    Plan has to go national. How many blogging, pumpkin eating hippos that shoot ghosts in the a$$ are out there?? :)

  361. Jandy says:

    Just our very own Hipposter :)

  362. Jim S. says:

    Can’t argue when you put it like that, Lad.

  363. Kevin says:

    (great white buffalo)

  364. Wild Bill says:

    Holy Cow, been trying to log back on here for the last half hour and it wouldn’t load. I thought Jandy broke the blog again.

    DK thinks that the PBC really doesn’t think too much of Lambo. ( ha, tried to type his name and the iPad wanted to type Lamborghini). I’m not so sure about that yet. I thought they just got in a pitching jam and had to send him out while they were trying to get his feet wet at the MLB level.

  365. Drew71 says:

    I think we’ll see the answer to that in spring training.

  366. Drew71 says:

    Depending on his performance, of course. So if he hits .280 with three doubles and two HRs and is sent down, or is promoted, there’s your answer. But if he hits .180 and is sent down, well, that doesn’t reflect any preconceived opinion of PBC.

  367. Jandy says:

    haha Mother Theresa sure can so some evil pranks eh?
    Wasn’t me, Wild Man, it hasn’t been loading very well all day.

  368. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Felix Jones is now in the back field……Not a bad trade. I wonder how many prospects they gave up? just kidding

  369. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not really.

  370. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Just as a heads up folks, I’m actually suprised there aren’t more on here from Niceville.

    It is a suburb of the largest AFB in the US.

  371. Arriba Wilver says:

    Definitely grayscale.

  372. Drew71 says:

    Nothing of value. Lambo, evidently.

  373. Who has a preconceived opinion?

    And what part of PBC?

    The part that embraced the suck or the part that decided not to?

    I have to disagree with DK on that one, but he has more insider info than I ever will.

    They could have shipped him this season while he was hot if they didn’t think something of him. He’s been with the team longer than Greg Brown.

  374. Arriba Wilver says:

    And less annoying.

  375. Wild Bill says:

    Although that’s a very low bar to reach.

  376. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I hear they weren’t too high on them anyhow.

  377. NMR says:

    Very close to my thoughts, Lucky.

    Dejan has, or at least used to have, his finger on the pulse of what is going on in the Front Office, so I don’t feel comfortable saying he’s wrong.

    But this whole “Front Office doesn’t think much of X” narrative is getting pretty redundant, isn’t it?

    Hasn’t the same been said about Locke, Jordy Mercer, and Tony Sanchez at one point or another this year?

    To my eye, they’re making these guys earn their starts, Hurdle first and foremost.

    I don’t see what is wrong with that.

  378. NMR says:

    Lambo’s history suggests a lot of people get high on him.

  379. Tom P. says:

    As always, the thing that matters is who wins the game on the field. The Pirates (collectively) seem pretty good at the things they can control.

  380. Jim S. says:

    Or, with him.

  381. CeeHow UR says:

    And the hamate bone’s connected to the elbow bone. The elbow bone’s connected to the shoulder bone…

  382. Dom says:

    Pete Prisco of CBS sports believes the Bengals will win not only our division but also the superbowl.

    I understand how he thinks they’ll win the division but the superbowl…

  383. Nate83 says:

    Many of players have been ruined by being thrown to the wolves and seeing if they can survive.

    Mercer is probably the most interesting case. One could easily argue that they waited to long to give him more at bats but who knows if they did or did not. He may have struggled if he played more at the majors the previous 2 years. Doing it this way he may have matured and just being around it and taking it in a little bit at a time was part of the process that has led to him being a productive major league player in his first extended look getting a majority of the at-bats.

    I personally was completely wrong about the guy and think going forward he will be a solid player at that postion. That can’t be underestimated. It saves so much money and allows it to be used elsewhere such as first base and starting pitching over the next 4-5 years.

  384. Nate83 says:

    I’ve heard others mention them as a superbowl contender for the AFC. Some of that has to do with there being no dominate team in the AFC. Denver could have been but injuries/suspension seem to have them coming back to the pack. Some of it may be them being on hard knocks. It sounds silly but they are on peoples mind because they are in front of their eyes more.

    I don’t see it myself. I don’t say Andy Dalton and think Superbowl winning quarterback. He is a solid QB but definately not elite. They are solid across the board but not dominating in any one part of the game. With no elite QB you better be really good at something else to win the superbowl like the Trent Dilfur led Ravens.

  385. +1 both NMR and Nate

  386. Jim S. says:

    I’m with you, Nate, on the Bengals. When was the last time they even won a playoff game? But, I will say our division could easily go their way. I don’t see the Steelers as being that great, and the Ravens were not nearly the best team when they won last year and lost a lot of players. I don’t think there are any dominant AFC teams.

    But, how could anyone pick Cincy over San Fran right now? I’ll take Green Bay over them as well, and probably others if I get in a football mood and think it through.

  387. buggee says:

    hiya Jandylicious! Hope you have a nice weekend ahead of you and you won’t be trodding the runway with your avant garde fashions too much!
    (Psst, that’s a really long way of calling you a model!) Who luvs ya baybee?

    Anybody make it out to the butler community day thang yesterday? I was there, breaking boards and blocks for a cause. Someone let me know what that cause is please.

    Just landed in San Fran, gonna watch da buccos live tonight (if I don’t oversleep from jetlag and too much JW Blue)
    Tried to rent a two-“person” (whatever happened to two-“MAN”?) kayak, but they all sold aht. Just trying to give Jonesy a target now that he’s shortened his swing.

    go on. you know you want to… hoist it already. dat’s right, jack up that jolly shuttlecock! And it’s time to call the Friscoids jagoffs so i can laugh at the puzzled looks I get in return

  388. buggee says:

    they also have a long, sordid history of giving unusual names to their left azz cheeks

  389. buggee says:

    I lose effectiveness after 6 fiber-one bars. running becomes an adventure

  390. Nate83 says:

    There are plenty of really good NFC teams. Seattle, San Fran and Atlanta are at the top of my list. Giants, Green Bay, Washington are all good as well and then you have New Orleans, Detroit, Arizona and St. Lious should all be better then last year. Good teams will not make the playoffs in the NFC.

  391. Dom says:

    My power rankings would go:
    1) Seattle
    2) San Fran
    3) Broncos
    4) Patriots
    5) Packers

  392. Kevin says:

    who is this Lemire man/woman?

  393. Jim S. says:

    You never know with the NFL, Dom. There are always surprise teams that are very good. But, I like Seattle and San Fran a lot. I don’t think all that much of NE or Denver. I think Nate brought up some good teams. Washington and Detroit might be good.

  394. Nate83 says:

    Mine would be.

    2)San Fran

    In my opinion the Packers margin of error is smaller then any other team in the top 10. Injuries could destroy them. Not very deep on the OL or the DL/LB. Seattle is really good and extremely young. Pete Carroll must know what he’s doing.

  395. Dom says:

    Why are you down on the Pats? I think Brady alone makes them one of the better teams.

  396. Wild Bill says:

    Joe Lemire, a SI baseball writer.

  397. Baywatch says:

    Afternoon Ladies & Gentlemen! Go Jeanmar! Three scoreless innings bringing him to 3-0 on an OFFENSIVE night like this… he gets elevated no higher than “Unsung Hero.” But I’m elevatin’!

    As for tonight’s game, I got a little trivia: My good friend from my North Carolina upbringing, Mark, has a son, Robby, who pitched and played against Madison Bumgarner in legion ball. He took Robby very deep one summer afternoon. Oh, and where I’m from there are more Bumgarners than there are people!

    Fixin’ to go deliver the pizza pie. Is there a phone app for the blog … just in case I want to bring some highlights from these deriveries, Honarable Runatics? :-)

  398. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Down on the Pats and Brady for that matter, for the lack of offensive weapons.

    Gronk out, some dude got arrested or something, Welker in Denver.

    A lot of unknowns.

  399. bizrow says:

    We have 8 openings in a fantasy football league on Yahoo

    Dejan’s Lunatics

    Please sign up if interested, its now a public league, but made for burghers at heart ;-)

  400. bizrow says:

    Post du jour

  401. John Lease says:


    Sorry for shouting…

  402. Arriba Wilver says:

    There is, Bay. Not sure how good it works anymore. I gave up on it. It’s just called TribLive.

  403. Arriba Wilver says:


  404. Arriba Wilver says:


  405. bizrow says:


  406. bizrow says:

    He must be so dam excited

    As we all are right now

  407. Arriba Wilver says:

    Who’d be able to tell? ;-)

  408. JaxBuc says:

    You’re not going to like it when you see it.

  409. bizrow says:


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