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Morning Java: Two football teams, one HQ

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …

>> Spent a small but productive portion of my Monday with the Steelers and Pitt football, which is, of course, easy to do since they share the same structure over on the South Side …


Rules between the NFL and NCAA prohibit any actual shared facilities, but the Steelers and Pitt easily circumvented that because, again, all that’s common is the structure. What you see there is actually two of everything, split right down the middle. There are even separate entrances out front, right next to each other. And all else is that way, too, from weight rooms to classrooms to offices.

Think of it as a Siamese football facility, if that isn’t too tacky.

Anyway, I arrived at a bit before 11:30 a.m., checked in with the Steelers’ front desk, stepped outside to do 15 minutes by phone on TribLIVE Radio, was done just in time for the locker room to open at 11:45, went inside, cornered Antonio Brown at his stall for three minutes (for tomorrow’s radio show), then stuck a video camera over the group as Jarvis Jones allowed Pittsburgh to breathe a sigh of relief with the following …

When the group was done, I approached Jones to ask the specifics of the incident itself, and he described it thusly: “I fell on the football, and their guy fell on me. It hurt, man.”

No doubt.

After a couple more hellos, I saw it was 12:02 p.m. and knew Paul Chryst’s pre-Florida State news conference had just begun. Went over there and found a media contingent just as large in numbers, which kind of surprised. Maybe it shouldn’t have. Lots of college reporters and the like. I asked the coach one question toward a column for next Monday, then spent some time with a couple of the student-athletes, and that was it. Back in the car by 12:30 and off to Starbucks.

Having all of our teams so close together is actually a huge blessing compared to the situations in most other cities, where they’re scattered miles apart.

>> If you missed it Sunday, here’s what our panel on WPXI-TV’s The Final Word had to say about Chryst …

Here’s our full Steelers coverage and our full Pitt coverage.

>> The Pirates open up with the Brewers tonight back home. They’d need to sweep the entire six-game homestand to have 82 happen at home, which is unfortunate. The season-ticket holders and other longtime fans deserve to see that for themselves.

So does the guy running Yinzers in the Strip who put up this sign over the weekend …


Here’s the rest of our baseball coverage.

Here’s the latest Brewers news from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Russia’s strict anti-gay laws already are a big topic, and they’ll be an even bigger one when the Olympic torch is lit in Sochi. Several NHL players, including Sidney Crosby, have spoken on the topic in recent days at their national camps.

>> I’m off today but back at PNC Park tomorrow, right after the radio show at 2.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Ghost says:

    Two football teams, one HQ, zero post-season games?

    Just funnin’. The Steelers will find a way and bounce back.

  2. Brandie says:

    Only 2 posts? Consider me underwhelmed!

  3. 21sthebest says:

    I can relate.

  4. Drew71 says:

    Uganda, Blawnox. Same difference.

  5. 21sthebest says:

    Please stop your personal attacks.

  6. Drew71 says:

    By the way, Dejan. When you spent three paragraphs of the morning thread talking about a building, I was thinking to myself, Please No, Please No.

    But you avoided the temptation. No column. Good Man.

  7. Drew71 says:

    Then I’d have nothing to post.

  8. JD says:


  9. JAL says:

    JAL’s Silver Springs Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: The Most Important Two Weeks of the Year

    Frank Coonelly: Replay System May Not Increase Game Length

    Prospect Watch: Pimentel Struggles in Latest Start; Dickerson Hits 16th Homer

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Pimentel struggles, Dickerson goes deep

    6 Rumbunter

    Jose Tabata Is Quietly Producing Again

    The Most Interesting Week In Pirates Baseball Since GNR Rocked VMAs in 1992

    7 City of Champions

    Great Scot: Pittsburgh Pirates and the law of averages

    8 The Green Weenie

    Pitching In September…Mostly OK, But With Some Workload Issues

    9 Neon Tommy

    The Race For The NL Central: Three Teams, One Title

  10. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    10 KDKA

    Perrotto: Time For Alvarez To Grow Up Versus Lefties

    11 Fox 59

    Treanor relishes return to the Triple-A postseason

    12 Rant Sports

    Pittsburgh Pirates Second Baseman Neil Walker A Key To Playoff Push

    13 Yahoo Sports

    Which Jeff Locke Can the Pittsburgh Pirates Expect Down the Stretch??;_ylt=A2KJ3CSfgBxSqVIA9ZzQtDMD

    14 Bluefield Daily Teelegraph/b>

    Column: Popovich played 11 years in Major Leagues

    15 Brew Ball Crew

    Series Preview: Visiting PNC Park

    16 CBS Sports

    Brewers-Pirates Gam Preview

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Burwell: Cards make it feel like October at Busch

    18 PBC Site

    Pirates aim to reclaim top spot in NL Central

    Notebook:Bucs would tab Liriano, A.J. to lead playoff rotation


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    Baseball’s Biggest Coaching Bias

    20 Fangraphs

    The Determinants of Multi-Run Homers

  11. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Bruce Gradkowski and Landry Jones will get extra work for Steelers after release of John Parker Wilson

    Steelers Film Room: Why Steelers defensive lineman Brian Arnfelt makes this team

    22 Steelers Depot

    Steelers Had Two Bad Penalty Calls Go Against Them In Loss To Chiefs


    23 The Telegraph

    Manchester United v Chelsea: five things we learnt at Old Trafford

    24 World Soccer Daily

    New season in Italy: 2013-14 team-by-team guide


    25 Pensburgh

    Pens Points 8/26: Power Shifts East; Olympic Camps Kick Off

  12. JAL says:

    Silver Springs Fleetwood Mac 1997 Written in 1977 but not released until 1997

  13. 21sthebest says:

    Please stop your personal attacks.

  14. 21sthebest says:

    Actually, I didn’t throw the first punch today.

  15. Jandy says:

    Bejeezus, it’s not even 8am…smh

  16. Jandy says:

    Run, Ghostie, run! LOL

  17. Tom P. says:

    With 32 games left, the Pirates magic number to eliminate Arizona is 24, to host the wild card is 29 (vs. Reds), and to win the division is 33 (vs. Cardinals).

  18. 21sthebest says:

    Sorry, but it didn’t stop on his part after DK asked for it to stop later in yesterday’s thread. But it did on my part.

  19. TJA says:

    Morning All! Well, it sure appears the Cardinals and Reds know what to do when they get men on base. 14 runs in that game…including the Slam by the Red Birds. Have a good day everyone.

  20. Drew71 says:

    Yeah. Right. A good day.

    After THAT post, I’m heading to the ledge.

  21. TJA says:

    No Drew…don’t do it! It will be ok! Sorry! Actually, as I read above my post to Tom P….I like what he has to say. Tom’s post is more upbeat than mine.

  22. Jason says:

    Does anyone know if they’re replaying the Pirates’ edition of Mission October?

  23. Dom says:

    Who is everyone rooting for in the reds/cardinals series?

  24. Jandy says:

    The Buccos ;)

  25. Jandy says:

    Awwww c’mon Drew Dahling. If you jump, who will pick on TC???

  26. Jandy says:

    21, I happen to like to chat with both of you guys. You’re funny and cool.
    But how can you say you didn’t throw the first punch today, when Roger hasn’t even posted on here this morning?
    I do believe Ghostie was poking fun at HIM.

  27. Nate83 says:

    I’m rooting for the Reds but all games have to be at least 14 innings long and involve at least one injury.

  28. radio wave says:

    I guess the Reds. If they can put the Cards in second place, the Bucs still have games left against the Reds after Sept. 8.

  29. Dom says:

    Yeah and 18 inning game would do wonders especially since we’re playing the cards shortly.

  30. Jim S. says:

    Or, we can look at the other side and say, “Boy, it sure seems like the Reds and Cards allow a lot of guys on base.”

  31. 21sthebest says:

    Not sure who Roger is and this has nothing to do with Ghost.

    As I said, he took a shot later in yesterday’s thread after his pleas for me to stop and after DK intervened. And I had stopped. That’s what I’m referring to, and his innocent victim routine is enough already.

  32. Jim S. says:

    I saw in the guide that it is on late this morning. 10:30 Eastern, I believe.

  33. 21sthebest says:

    And I’m done.

  34. Jim S. says:

    Nice, Jandy! We can’t control that series, but we can gain ground regardless as long as we TCB!

    I think that means we need Cincy to win the next 2, while we sweep Milwaukee.

  35. 21sthebest says:

    Alright folks so here we are at the Driver’s License Center in McCandless. Thought I’d try a little social experiment. And that’s right, it’s the same center where Sid got ushered to the front of the line under Pennsylvania’s Celebrity Statute. Or is it statue?

    Anywho, of course my renewal showed up the same day that Sid was in the news for this and since I live two miles from the place, thought I’d do some live blogging to see 1. how long this process will take and b. if I can get celebrity status and moved to the front of the line.

    Now it’s not that I’m a celebrity, but sometimes I get mistaken for Tom Cruise so let’s see what happens. Inside I go! Stay tuned!

  36. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks for the updates, Tom.

  37. Patrick(RI) says:

    Vertically challenged? Or lots of teeth?

  38. 21sthebest says:

    Well the place is packed. I tried to get here earlier before it opened but I got stuck in a conversation with the Mrs. Yeah, try to get out of that one.

    So I have my ticket and I’m number 19. Looks like they’re on number 2. Not good. And nobody has recognized me yet. I’ll give it a few minutes and then maybe if I start some incessant laughing and jumping on the furniture, maybe they’ll think I’m Cruise.

    Do they have any coffee in this place? Actually I could go for a grande skim extra hot two pump classic latte. No whip.

  39. 21sthebest says:


  40. Jim S. says:

    The Cards did a nice job of hanging in there last night. They fell behind 4-0 early, then got the Holliday bomb to make it 4-3. The Reds seemed to right the ship and held a 5-3 lead in the 6th, when it appeared plainly obvious Leake had nothing left after the first 3 batters of the inning. He was getting knocked around pretty good, but Dusty being Dusty, left him in as he continued to struggle. Finally, Dusty went to the pen, and the Cards unloaded some more on the relievers. Craig hit a slam. He has been great with runners in scoring position all season. One thing St. Louis has in its favor is a lineup full of guys who are battle tested: Beltran, Holliday, Craig, etc. They were all in the center of that comeback. They know what pennant chases are all about. We cannot expect other teams to take them down. We’ll have to do it ourselves, starting this weekend.

    I think we must have 2 wins, minimum, vs. Milwaukee. 3 would be ideal, of course, and would ensure we pick up significant ground on at least one of our opponents. But, if we lose 2 of 3 to Milwaukee, we will almost assuredly trail St. Louis when they come to town. We were in that spot 3 weeks ago, so it is nothing new. But, I sure would like at least a tiny cushion. I am expecting the Bucs to take 2/3 vs. St. Louis. So, if we hold a 1-game lead on them come this Friday, that would get us back to 2 up after the weekend.

    If I did my math correctly, I believe we will miss Kelly/Wainwright this weekend. They pitched Thur/Fri vs. Atlanta, which should set them up for Tues/Wed vs. Cincy – unless Matheny slips in a 6th starter this time through the rotation. Those 2 guys seemed to give us the most trouble in the last 2 series’ IMO.

  41. Jandy says:

    zactly, Jimster!

  42. Jim S. says:

    I heard the announcers on the Cards radio broadcast last night say that the Reds have won 3 of the past 29 series’ in St. Louis. Talk about having a team’s number. I don’t see Cincy winning the next 2, especially after their demoralizing collapse last night. I think we’ll be lucky if they don’t get broomed. I hope I’m wrong about that.

  43. Wild Bill says:

    Agree that we need the Reds to win the next two. I like their chances tonight with Latos against Kelly, but tomorrow the Cards are pitching Wainwright against Bailey. Not so good.

  44. John Lease says:

    I’m rooting for a massive brawl in which both teams have their entire 25 man rosters ejected, resulting in losses for both teams.

    A man can dream.

  45. 21sthebest says:

    Moving along. No. 7. Not too bad. The incessant laughing didn’t work except that someone thought I was Sean Casey. No preferential treatment though.

    I hear them telling people to stare straight ahead at the red dot. Maybe I can just look at the blog instead.

    Wow, she’s cute! Not seeing any Penguins in here btw. Gosh I hope I don’t miss my turn because I’m typing away. I could see that happening.

  46. Jim S. says:

    Great episode of Seinfeld comes to mind, where Kramer insisted it was “statue of limitations.”

  47. Jandy says:

    if you want attention, 21, just strip and streak ;)

  48. Thundercrack says:

    Who?! How about the guy who has his picture in the top right corner?


  49. Jandy says:

    I *HATE* the Reds.

    (That was for Osh Kosh)

  50. Jandy says:

    He does a good job of picking when he deigns to drop in ;)

  51. Jim S. says:

    How true! And yet we need them now. The enemy of my enemy has become my friend.

  52. Thundercrack says:

    Just start saying really loud “This is a bunch of baloney!”

  53. Jandy says:

    Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer!

  54. Jandy says:


  55. 21sthebest says:

    On #12. I don’t know what Sid’s problem is. This is moving along.

  56. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Pirates have lost 4.5 games in the standings in the last 15 days. They certainly haven’t collapsed, but they sure are floundering.

  57. Lad9 says:

    Was the B side of the “Go Your Own Way” 45 when it came out. A great song. Thanks JAL.

  58. Jandy says:

    Gee, thanks Milo.


  59. 21sthebest says:

    Well I happen to be decently tanned right now.

  60. Jandy says:

    Rad Lad in DaHouse! :)

  61. Jandy says:

    That should make for really good news videos tonight, then ;)

  62. Jason81 says:

    Pirates website has the match-ups for the weekend as the following:

    Friday: Miller vs. Liriano
    Saturday: Lynn vs. Burnett
    Sunday: Lyons vs. TBD (Locke if he takes his normal turn)

  63. Jim S. says:


    Save it for Oprah, Tom!

  64. Thundercrack says:

    What is their record in the last 15 days?

  65. 21sthebest says:

    16! I’m next!

  66. Jim S. says:

    Your patience is legendary, 21.

  67. 21sthebest says:

    Gee, I hadn’t thought of that. ;-)

  68. Jim S. says:

    Arriba was supposed to say that. I think you beat him to it. Oh well, he has others to choose from.

  69. Milo Hamilton says:


  70. Bizrow says:

    Looks like 6 – 9, if I can still count right

  71. Jim S. says:

    We’ve hit Shelby well a couple of times. We might be the only team that can say that. And, I think we have good history vs. Lynn. Lyons blew up last night.

  72. Milo Hamilton says:

    I went from 70-46 on the 10th, they were 4 games up.

  73. Jason says:

    Doesn’t really help me, as I am at work. I was looking for it on the MLB Network last night. I knew it was on Fox Sports 1. Was having brain cramps all day yesterday…

  74. Jim S. says:

    Our high water mark was 70-44 after the Miami series. We are now 76-54, so we have actually lost 10 of 16. That is more than 15 days, but I think that is the funk’s duration. Those last 2 in San Fran stung.

  75. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    If you look at the home/road splits of the teams currently in contention in the NL,
    and check out just how many games those teams have been playing at home versus on the road in the last 3 weeks,
    it shows why some have gained and others have lost.

    Most of the teams left in the race are right around .500 on the road, and way above .500 at home.
    If I’m not mistaken, the Pirates have a majority of their remaining games at home.
    They can easily make up the ground they have lost.

  76. Jim S. says:

    You need that ability to control your DVR remotely, Jason. My wife knows how to do it. I haven’t a clue.

  77. 21sthebest says:

    Well I typed that wrong. I meant 18.

    And I’m done! 32 minutes! Not too shabby!

  78. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Only 3 of those games were at home, correct?

  79. Jason81 says:

    I know looking ahead like this can always lead to bad things, but I definitely like the match-ups. Even if it is Locke on Sunday. Just might need the offense to pick him up.

  80. Jim S. says:

    Good point, Playoffs. All 3 teams have been dominant at home.

  81. Jandy says:

    Congrats! Coffee time :)

  82. Milo Hamilton says:

    17 at home, 15 on the road. Just about even.

  83. Brandie says:

    Sharp retort, Fun on a Nun!

  84. Jim S. says:

    Yes, I was thinking of that the other day. Our losing streaks have coincided with road trips. We are only 2 or 3 over .500 at home, and close to 20 games over .500 on the road. We did lose 2/3 at home vs. AZ, though. Other than that, we have dominated at home. Need some more of that starting tonight.

  85. Jandy says:

    I do that at work all the time, so I have practice lol

  86. Jim S. says:

    Don’t we finish with the last week on the road, including 3 at Cincy, Milo? Or, do I have that wrong?

  87. Jandy says:


    I meant it too.

    I’m rooting for our boys, Brandelita. If we take care of our own business, we don’t have to worry about everyone else.
    Didn’t you say something like that yesterday?

  88. Bizrow says:

    6 of the last 9 games are against Cinci, yes, the last 6 are away, last 3 in Cinci

  89. Nate83 says:

    Good points all around Jim. Especially on the pitching match ups coming up against the Cards. 4 out of 6 at home is a must at this point. We will probably need a good 3 or 4 game cushion on the cards going into the last 17 games because they do not play a team with a winning record over those last 17. As you mentioned they have a pretty veteran team and will probably take care of bussiness and win a majority of those games.

  90. Jandy says:


  91. Milo Hamilton says:

    Three at Chicago, three at Cincinnati. Tonight starts the next to last homestand.

  92. Jim S. says:

    I think those all might be meaningful.

  93. TJ says:

    Sheesh still tied for first place; took 4 of 5 vs the Cards when they were in town last, should have taken at least 2 of 3 in St Louis and all we are talking about is how many games up we were. How many games back were we to get to first place in the division?

  94. Jim S. says:

    I believe we have 2 series’ left (1 home, 1 away) with each other team in our division. We have beaten everyone in the division by at least a little bit H2H all season. That is what it will take to win this. The team that takes care of intra-division business the best most likely wins it.

  95. Milo Hamilton says:

    Speaking of schedules, while we’re finishing up with 6 of 9 against Cincinnati, the Cardinals last 19 games are against Milwaukee, Seattle, Colorado, Washington & the Cubs.

  96. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    That big 11 game home stand in the middle of September will determine where they play in October.

    If they can find a way to win 7 or 8 games out of that 11, it will go a long way to helping their overall playoff position.

    Gotta win 2 of every 3 at home and stay above .500 on the road.

  97. Milo Hamilton says:

    Not tied for 1st place.

  98. Jim S. says:

    I don’t hear doom and gloom from anyone, TJ. Everyone is just stating facts. We had built a 4-game lead, as Milo pointed out. That lead is now gone. We still control our destiny, to use that old phrase.

  99. Jandy says:

    LOL you stated it much more eloquently than I Spunky!

  100. Jim S. says:

    I’m going to say it will take 8 or 9 of 11, Playoffs. I just read Milo’s recap of how St. Louis closes, and they play a lot of teams that will be playing kids all over the place.

  101. Brandie says:

    “HEY YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!”

    Going old school. This morning’s greeting brought to you courtesy of PBS’s The Electric Company.

  102. Jim S. says:

    I also think we need to probably expect to have to beat St. Louis 4 of the last 6. We have handled them 8 of 13 so far, including the one we gave away.

  103. TJ says:

    Sorry Milo your right; half game back; with the Cards having played one more game than the Pirates

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    On September 9th the Cards will be done with the Reds & the Pirates. They probably need to be ahead when the Pirates leave town that day.

  105. Jim S. says:

    Morgan Freeman got his start there, right? Amazing!

  106. Nate83 says:

    Welcome to major league baseball. Only Texas out of the contending teams has a road record that is close to as good as their home record. The Colorado series hurt the most. They also lost 4 extra inning games in that stretch. If they just split those games they are 8-8 over those 16 games with 13 of them being on the road.

  107. How was that A-game?

    Going to one Saturday. Low A.

  108. Milo Hamilton says:

    But you’re right too, tied in the loss column. That’s what really matters.

  109. Jim S. says:


  110. theplanisworking says:

    Maybe we channel our inner Fat Albert, too?

    Maybe that is the key to success in our final 30 or so games.
    Didnt Fat Albert’s teams win a lot in each little show?

    But thank You for the retro greeting today. :)

  111. Jim S. says:

    Sorry, I got my splits backwards (obviously).

  112. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    It was good.
    Thanks for asking.

    Felt like I was watching the Pirates, though.
    Only 2 runs scored the entire game.

    $1 hot dogs and $1 dollar tickets.
    Can’t beat that anywhere.

  113. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks for reminding me. I just set it remotely. It’s 12:30 pm, though, on mine in Pittsburgh. From what little I heard about it on the Fan this morning sounds like it is worth watching.

  114. Brandie says:

    Don’t remember. Though it is time to win these statement games. Anyone can win games at the beginning and in the middle of the season, but what I’m talking about is who is the grit and gristle to grind it out and man up at the end.

    Great to see ya, Jandecita!

  115. Jandy says:

    Good to see you, too, girl.

    Wish Hipposter would stop in.

    Miss the nut :(

  116. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    So I read over the afternoon and evening posts in yesterday’s thread…..

    The heck is going on in here these days?

  117. Brandie says:

    Your new nickname is…The Justice Avenger (TJA). Don’t mind me, I have a thing for making people super heroes. Just ask Lad 9!

  118. Jandy says:

    I bet that hurt ;)

  119. Nate83 says:

    Actually this talk about schedule going forward is much better then the last 10 days of discussion. The Cards have 13 games straight against us and the Reds starting yesterday. If they come out of that in the lead they will be tough to catch with their remaining schedule. Like Jim said above winning 4 out of 6 agains the Cards and taking care of bussiness against the Brewers would be huge.

  120. Jandy says:

    $1…dayum, I’m jealous :)

  121. Jandy says:

    HIPPOSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good morning :)

  122. Jandy says:


  123. Brandie says:

    “HEY! HEY! HEY!”

    A life lesson in each little show.

  124. TJ says:

    I hate to say it but I’m not even thinking about the playoffs. I don’t even think the PBC is thinking about the playoffs other than the extra $$$$ it will bring in.

    This isn’t negativity but to me 82 is all I care about at this point. The front office is so stubborn to stick by its plan and show everyone they were right and we were wrong that they will let this team that is so impotent on offense go on the field day after day after day and hope that Jekyll shows up and not Hyde.

    Rays and Nationals are prime examples of teams that thought they were built for division runs year after year after year. Just really turns my stomach to watch this FO turn its back.

    And before DK or anyone else comes up with well the Pirates went after this or that or someone else or would they really improve the team. Bottom line is that they have done nothing. And spare me the Stanton and Trumbo trade rumors. Still have a few days left to make a deal but to me its flat out arrogance on the part of the front office trying to be his on moneyball man.

    Can only imagine the excitement when the first round of the playoffs comes around and they introduce the starting lineups. Playing first base Garrett Jones!

  125. theplanisworking says:

    Morning, Jandy.

    How are things?

  126. I enjoy those games because everyone is running practically on every pitch. People in motion.

    When someone hits a HR, it usually hits a house or building or a car. Something entertaining. (unless it’s your car)

    Umps running everywhere because there are only 2 of ‘em. Different brand of ball, but enjoyable.

  127. theplanisworking says:

    Bill Cosby thanks you. ;)

  128. Milo Hamilton says:

    Are we all on agreed that they’re going to make the playoffs ?

  129. Bizrow says:

    I think that means, I’m pretty glad I didn’t read much yesterday?

  130. Jim S. says:

    I know they learned valuable lessons, plan. But, I also remember FA taking care of business and using his body quite a bit in the paint.

  131. Brandie says:

    Nothing like starting off your day with a good old fashioned bold reaming! Those should be followed with “When I was your age”… stories.

  132. Brandie says:

    Dang right. You have to be willing to do the little things to bring home the W.

  133. Jim S. says:

    I think so. AZ is not exactly burning it up, and neither is anyone else. It would take a lot to not get into the playoffs.

  134. Jandy says:

    hey…things are things.

  135. TJ says:

    6 games up on the Nationals and 8 on the D-backs. I believe they will.

  136. Brandie says:

    Check out the surfing Hippo on YouTube.

  137. Bizrow says:

    Hope but expect ;-)

    I’m pretty confident they will at least make a WC.

    But look at my betting record…..

  138. Kevin says:

    wow 30mph… didnt realize hippos were that dangerous.

  139. TJ says:

    Actually I think it was the moderator himself that stirred the pot yesterday; not any particular blogger

  140. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks, Socrates Jandy.

    Was hoping for your normal wit and insight.
    Must be a rough one at work, eh?

  141. Brandie says:

    Wonder how the cartoon would change if we replaced Fat Albert with Marv Albert?

  142. Jandy says:

    I actually had to do an NMR and leave for a bit.

  143. Some folks are wrought up over the uncharted waters of a pennant race, Playoffs.

    Your daily advise with the line of “Stay calm and break .500″ is not being heeded.

    Some are a little testy.

    DK even gave us a bold Z-stack yesterday.

  144. Jandy says:

    He sure did a good job of it ;)

  145. theplanisworking says:

    Ok, I will later.

    How are things? You start the new job yet?

  146. theplanisworking says:

    He would be arrested for soliciting.
    That was him, right?

  147. Jim S. says:

    Washington is .500, so they are 11 behind us. AZ is 4 games over .500, so they are 9 behind us. We are not the 2nd WC right now. We are first. I think you may have seen standings for Wash & AZ just to get to the 2nd WC slot.

  148. Milo Hamilton says:

    9 on Arizona, 11 on Washington.

  149. theplanisworking says:

    Well, when you are 6′ 3″, and weigh 400 pounds, that will happen. ;)

  150. Brandie says:

    Yup. Back biting sodomist extraordinaire.

  151. Jandy says:


  152. Bizrow says:

    MLBTradeRumors is listing a couple of more waiver Claims, Marlin Byrd, Pence to name a few

  153. Brandie says:

    When that happens, I will read the comments but choose not to engage. I do not want to be part of anyone’s look at me moment at the expense of another person.

  154. Jim S. says:

    Either would help. Not expecting it, though.

  155. Brandie says:

    Gathering resources for my case management duties. Everything is moving oh so slowly, but it is moving.

  156. Jandy says:

    Horrible. I’m barely holding my head above water…but trying to keep on keepin on lol

    pray for me ;)

  157. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I miss the good ol’ days…

  158. Jandy says:

    Sending strong vibes your way, Brandelita!

  159. tomp says:

    Grand slam would have never happened if the umpire had the balls to call Holliday out on a pitch right down the middle, which turned into ball 4.

  160. Kevin says:

    yes sir. I DVR’d and watched it late last night. Was definitely worth watching.

  161. Jandy says:

    Those were the days!

  162. Bizrow says:

    Magic Number to clinch a wild card spot is 24

  163. Jandy says:

    dang, NMR is missing it…

  164. Brandie says:

    Thanks to all who send the strong vibes my way.

  165. Bizrow says:

    This too shall pass….. ;-)

  166. Jim S. says:

    I’m glad work duty called for most of the day.

  167. tomp says:

    You root for the team that is the most lower in the standings, compared to the Pirates.

    Don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

  168. Milo Hamilton says:

    Byrd will probably be moved. Smells like Cincinnati to me.

  169. Jim S. says:

    “Hey, hey, hey!”

  170. Jandy says:

    Oh my. My mother always told me that when things weren’t going too well.
    gave me goosebumps, Biz!

  171. Brandie says:

    Good vibes back at you darling!

  172. TJ says:

    Sorry was looking at the distance from the 2nd WC spot

  173. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Harvey injury just changed everything for the Mets.

  174. theplanisworking says:

    Pray for us all.


  175. Jandy says:

    And I’m gonna have to go back to it here shortly, just want to say hi to everyone :)

  176. Jandy says:

    I’m workin’ on it!

  177. TJ says:

    At this point the only players the Pirates could have a legitimate chance at are those that already cleared. As the races get tighter teams will start claiming just to block

  178. theplanisworking says:

    My fave was Rudy.

  179. Jim S. says:

    Wardrobe Dept. might’ve had to come up with more women’s outfits.

  180. tomp says:

    There has to be 1 bat that can trickle down to the Pirates.

    NH better get on the horn, and not do something insane, but maybe do something stupid.

    This team needs a bat, plain and simple, no excuse!.

  181. Brandie says:

    Oh Plan! I hope your heart is doing okay, my friend.

  182. Jim S. says:

    Rudy Huxtable? She was the little one, right?

    Oh, you mean Rudy from FA. Was that Bill’s brother. My fave was Mush Mouth.

  183. Jandy says:


  184. TJ says:

    Lincecum and Pence also claimed; though neither are expected to be traded.

  185. Jim S. says:

    Good luck, Brandie!

  186. Brandie says:

    Russell was Bill’s brother.

  187. theplanisworking says:

    I am good, Brandie.
    Thanks for asking.

    Hope you get your new work digs soon……….. probably be less stressful when this all ends.

  188. Jim S. says:

    Well, gotta run! Literally … I need to get a run in. Talk to you all later. It is going to be ok with the Bucs. Maybe they win the division, maybe they don’t. But, I see them definitely getting in the playoffs, either way.

  189. Naterosboro says:

    The Dream Cafe episode. 1 of my favorites.

    Jerry: “Well, what do you recommend?”

    Babu: “Oooooo…the turkey.”

  190. Jandy says:

    Enjoy, Jimster. maybe catch you later.

  191. theplanisworking says:

    Do they have Tutus R Us near there?

  192. Brandie says:

    Thank you, Jimster!

  193. Brandie says:

    Ur right Plan. It will be much less stressful.

  194. Baywatch says:

    Morning, Everyone!

  195. Tom P. says:

    I watched the vvery first episode of the Electric Company, way back in the late 60’s or early ’70’s. My fourth grader still watches the new version (so I do, too.). First day of school today. My older daughter starts middle school today, so it’s a big day in our house. (If either daughter had the slightest interest in the Pirates, it would be better, but we will work on that.)

  196. Kevin says:

    always and forever, rooting for the scoreless tie that has to be suspended due to injury… longest game in MLB history please!

  197. Bob Hasis says:

    Yeah, try and tell that FACT to Nate.

    Truth seems to find real tough skin on him. Can’t penetrate!

  198. Baywatch says:

    Med Day for the Loonies?

  199. theplanisworking says:

    I will see you guys maybe later.

    I am out while its safe in here.

    Pirates do play tonight, correct? I dont want to bring up any topics that arent allowed around here, and there seem to be a whole lot of topics that arent allowed.

    Everyone have a great time.

  200. Jandy says:

    Have fun Tom, they grow up much too quickly!!

  201. Dom says:

    Grab both! They’re better than what we got!

  202. Brandie says:

    Perhaps a dose of vitamin STFU for the pit cstirrers!

  203. Jandy says:

    Bay, saw your reply to my post last night, just this morning. Sounds like Cornelius, NC was/is a nice place to play Little League :)

  204. Bob Hasis says:

    This comment got misplaced. It was intended as a response to Milo, regarding the Pirates having lost 4.5 games in the standings in the last 15 days

  205. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hang in there Plan.

  206. Wild Bill says:

    Hey folks, if you want a little joy this morning, take a look at that link JAL gave us about Brian Arnfelt of the Steelers. Love those guys who come from humble beginnings and can really play when given a chance!

  207. Naterosboro says:

    While I don’t see your post as negative, I see it as quite jaded.

    Do you really think Neal Huntington hasn’t made a trade to “show everyone they were right and we were wrong”?

    Are the other teams that haven’t made moves just trying to prove somebody somewhere wrong as well?

    And isn’t it natural to believe in the guys you already have in that have played pretty damn good baseball so far this year and are now sitting 0.5G back of St. Louis with 1 month left to go with 1 of the best records in baseball?

    I don’t disagree with your premise that Neal Huntington needs to do something to help his offense over the next couple days.

    I just think your thinking on why it hasn’t been done yet is extremely jaded, almost to conspiracy theory level!

  208. Jandy says:

    Howdy, Bay!

  209. Baywatch says:

    I will say that the Cardinals have been much better this year – and every other for the last 21 – at taking care of business against the Milwaukees, Seattles, Colorados, Washingtons and Chicagos of the MLB World.

  210. Tom P. says:

    Yes. Most likely as first wild card, with a reasonable chance at the division. The good news is, for the first 13 games, we gave the Cardinals all they can handle. Let’s see if that keeps up.

  211. Jandy says:

    Hipposter, NEVER stay away for that reason. If you’re busy,fine.
    We’ll be looking for you later on…enjoy the morning :)

  212. Jandy says:

    It’s in the right place, Mr. Hasis, it just went all the way to the bottom of the pile :)
    Good moring!

  213. 21sthebest says:

    “Well, gotta run! Literally … I need to get a run in. ”

    I knew there was something about you that I liked!

  214. Jandy says:

    Excellent read (and videos) Wild William, thanks for the heads up.

  215. TJ says:


    We’ve kicked this back and forth for weeks; since the July 31st deadline. Everyone knows NH won’t break up his farm despite the claims of he was willing to get crazy but not insane. To me you have to get insane to acquire the players he was supposedly shopping for in terms of Stanton and Trumbo.

    I believe they are sticking to their plan. Do I believe he’s sticking to it completely just to prove he’s right? No. But I do believe he’s greatly limited his chances to get what this team needs TODAY just to protect what he believes this team can be 2 or 3 years from now.

  216. Jandy says:

    I don’t run, but I also need to move along, maybe catch you all after lunch sometime. Enjoy your day, loonies!

  217. Milo Hamilton says:


    This is off the subject but I saved it for you. I’m getting ready for Hollidaysburg this week & I unearthed this little nugget: In their 2 games against TJ last year they were outscored 118-19. OUCH.

  218. TJ says:

    NL team has claimed Byrd. I would agree that it was likely the Reds

  219. Lad9 says:

    Ditto on the good vibes Brandilicious! Sending your way….. :)

    Morning Crue!

  220. Baywatch says:

    Bleacher Report has taken a vote (889 cast) on who people feel put a claim in for Kendrys Morales. The majority have said OUR BUCCOS! 33.1 percent PIRATES, 28.3 percent ORIOLES, 12.6 percent RANGERS, 26 percent OTHER. (“Other” presumably the Yanquis!)

  221. 21sthebest says:

    I would say that he’s unwilling to make certain risks so that the team can continue to compete next year and beyond. I think you could argue that he’s put his faith in the current team as it stood on July 31st and I’m also thinking that NH is a bit of a chemistry guy.

  222. Baywatch says:

    Hol’ up! Who needs MIKE & MIKE in the morning! We got BRANDIE & JANDIE! (Now I KNOW I ain’t the first one that thought THAT up!)

  223. TJ says:

    I wonder if the majority understand the waiver rules. No way he made it through the AL without being claimed.

  224. Nate83 says:

    Do you think the Rays or A’s would trade away 2 of their top prospects for Trumbo? Those teams are consistantly in the the thick of things. Their fans get treated to meaningful games in September more often then not. The reality is the Pirates play in a league that requires them to manage things a little differently then the Red Sox, Dodgers and Yankees of the world.

    Yes they need to add a bat but I personally do not believe them not getting a bat would mean that the FO thinks they are smarter then everybody else.

  225. TJ says:

    So you think he learned his lesson from last year?

    I’m just really curious though if in the mind of some of these guys they aren’t getting as frustrated with Jones as we are. I’m all for chemistry but nothing does better for confidence and chemistry than winning.

    But 21 I agree that he likely learned his lesson about chemistry after last year.

  226. Milo Hamilton says:

    John Buck makes sense also as a backup catcher. The Mets have opened the store. Everything’s on sale.

  227. Jim S. says:

    Ditka’s fav line.

  228. Jim S. says:

    Pot stickers? Gives me an idea for dinner. Thanks, Brandie.

  229. Kevin says:

    I wouldn’t say they’re turning their backs… but they’re definitely not stepping up to the plate either. Or if they are and we just don’t know it, they just offer half-hearted swings at off-speed pitches and strike out like Pedro or Garrett. Ha! Analogies are fun.

  230. Bob Hasis says:

    I was excited to that the “Pirates announced playoff ticket info”. However there was this caveat; In the event the Pirates fail to make the playoffs, there will be no monetary refunds, and that your purchase price will be held in escrow until they DO get in – either next year or next millennium, or until Mr. Nutting sells the team.

    Company policy or the new normal!

  231. Nate83 says:

    They talked about Pence last night on MLB network. Actually mentioned the Pirates but in the end they said he was happy in SF and they are happy with him so he will probably resign there unless they just get overwhelmed with an offer. But as we all know the Pirates are in the bussiness of underwhelming.

  232. Jim S. says:

    Sometimes, it feels good to be wrong, eh?

  233. Milo Hamilton says:

    Exactly. We probably claimed him, but I’ll bet we’ve claimed a bunch of guys. Punishment for having such a good record I guess.

  234. tdb1977 says:

    A meteor or astroid or space junk to land in the middle of the field. Problem solved :)

  235. Lad9 says:

    And Woody Hayes’ least favorite! :)

  236. Bob Hasis says:

    I see the line forming already – or is that for the block of cheese give-away at the fire hall

  237. Jim S. says:

    I think what happened to Harvey is part of the rationale for why so many of you say a team should always go for it now. Tomorrow is never promised. This proves there is merit to that. Any pitcher could go down for a year+ at any time.

    It also points to why you need close to 10 prospective starting pitching candidates to begin each season.

    Too bad for Harvey.

  238. Nate83 says:

    Morneau and Dunn went unclaimed completely so you never know. I believe Moralas is more then just a this year commitment and possible even two more years. Seattle will probably want a good return for him. I’m not sure the Pirates would want to give up much for a more DH type player seeing that they are in the NL. He would be a nice addition in the short term.

  239. Bizrow says:

    Last year the funds were used to pay for this years season tickets.

    I would think the same thing will happen this year if they don’t make it

    You were also allowed to put in a down payment with future payments required.

    So for my 20 game plan this year, I put in the deposit and then had to follow up with another 50 buck payment or so.

  240. Nate83 says:

    Didn’t NH mention somewhere that he put claims on over something like 50 players last year.

  241. Jim S. says:

    He could still re-sign there. They could make an agreement with him. I recall the Cubs discussing that with Grace at one point. He even suggested they move him to a contender, and he would still come back. Risky, though.

  242. Jim S. says:

    See you, plan.

  243. Nate83 says:

    I think they are very frustrated with him. They gave him a fair chunk of money to play for the Pirates. If you remember he was rumored to possible be traded during the off-season. They decided to make him an important part of this team this year and he hasn’t delivered.

    Looking back it has to be considered one of the worse decisions they made this year along with the Karstans signing. Both seemed to be moves a majority of pirate fans agreed with and wanted.

  244. Jim S. says:

    Now, I’m back. Very hot one in Chicago, today. Gonna be 95.

  245. Kevin says:

    ah hah! so the problem is he is gun-shy.

  246. Jim S. says:

    Just our luck. 20 years to finally be punished for that. Haha!

  247. Jim S. says:

    I’m pretty sure he’s a free agent, Nate. At least, I thought I read that.

  248. TJ says:

    Lets keep living for 2015 and hoping every prospect that is going to take us to the World Series or division title actually develops into the player NH believes they will be. Oh and lets hope that St Louis, Chicago, and the Reds all fall apart and don’t continue on their winning ways.

    I don’t play for something I can’t see; I play for whats in front of me. I seriously hope that 2 years from now we aren’t asking the “what if” question because players didn’t develop.

  249. Lad9 says:

    And make it soon my friend. Need the Hippo presence!

  250. TJ says:

    Yikes; held until the team does make the playoffs??

    I’d ask for at least 5% interest every year.

  251. Dom says:

    Please obtain them Huntington. PLEASE!

  252. TJ says:

    Morales is a FA at years end. They have already mentioned he may end up back with the Angels.

  253. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yes. Everybody hurry up & buy your strips now so they have $100,000 to pay Marlon Byrd for the rest of the season !

  254. 21sthebest says:

    The bloopers from that episode are priceless.

  255. Bob Hasis says:

    In today’s economy, that 5 per cent seems like a good investment.

    But my caveat – caviar – was a trivial attempt at some humor

  256. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t think there was a lesson about chemistry to be learned. Although some of the team complained about breaking up the chemistry, not everyone complained.

  257. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t think the Karstens signing was a bad decision at all.

  258. Nate83 says:

    That is a completely logical thought process. It’s not my mindset but I definately respect and udnerstand those who think that way.

    I think this team as presently constituted are not just 1 piece away. If a big piece was available I think maybe it could be the difference but mostly what I am seeing out there are small pieces that may or may not help us. I’m fine with adding those pieces if the return being asked is reasonable and maybe even a little more then most would expect. I don’t want them to make a trade at an cost. That is just reckless and I don’t see anyone out there that is a guarentee to help like C.C. Sabathia and Greinke had been in the past.

  259. TJ says:

    Casey Kotchman was released by the Marlins yesterday. I would almost rather see the Pirates sign him for September than deal with Jones every day.

  260. Brotherhood of the Redus says:

    Grape Nuts….he eats too much of them. For the last time Jonesy, No More Grape Nuts! I am sorry but there will be other indulgences….go on and lay this one down.

  261. TJ says:

    You got me; but its sad but true that your statement was believable based on the ownership!

  262. Nate83 says:

    2 million for 0 regular season innings pitched this year. The fear was he couldn’t stay healthy. He more then proved that to be a legitimate fear. I wasn’t against the signing. I also wasn’t for the signing. It was really one of those things where if he left I was OK with it and if he came back at the right price I was OK with it.

  263. TJ says:

    Good point Milo. I was looking at Buck’s numbers… 15 HR’s but almost a strike out per game which means he would fit in perfectly

  264. Nate83 says:

    Yes imagine he joins a team that is contending and they win it all. That is a tough situation to leave.

  265. Milo Hamilton says:

    Even if he can’t hit it, you know he’ll catch it.

  266. Nate83 says:

    Thanks for the info. My fault. For some reason I thought he signed and extension when he got traded. Well that was a bad decision by the Mariners unless of course they get something of value in return for him now. I wonder what they gave up to get him.

  267. pattonbb says:

    But can he throw to 2B?

  268. Bob Hasis says:

    Two of the more dull, boring and disinteresting things I know of are talking about the weather and listening to NH speak. In either case it’s barf-time.

  269. TJ says:

    would the guy standing on 2B catch it if he did?

  270. Jason says:

    Sadly, I am DVR-less…

  271. 21sthebest says:


  272. TJ says:

    Jason Vargas a SP went to the Angels. And now the Angels may get him back as a FA after this season.

  273. Milo Hamilton says:

    I find the weather fascinating. That’s all. :)

  274. Dom says:

    Byrd and Pence were both claimed off of waivers. The claiming team is not known but I doubt they fell all the way down to the Buccos.

  275. Kevin says:

    bah… its bad luck to wish death on people. Some sore shoulders and sprained knees never hurt anyone though. I guess I’m just saying, I don’t want them permanently disfigured or ended, just at a handicap for the next 5 weeks or so.

  276. TJ says:

    Supposedly none of the guys from SF are going to be dealt. They were likely put on waivers to see if a team claims them and gives them a crazy offer they could not refuse.

  277. 21sthebest says:

    If the team misses the playoffs, and you made a payment on playoff tickets for this year, you can get a full refund this year.

  278. 21sthebest says:

    $2M doesn’t strike me as very much. I thought it was a decent risk and I’m not going to Monday morning quarterback it now. Along the same lines, I liked resigning Charlie at the time.

  279. Dom says:

    Let’s give them a crazy offer!

  280. chethejet says:

    I can see Byrd being a Pirate as he is cheap and can play RF. He is having a very good year and while the Mets may want a very good prospect, I think a 11 to 20 prospect pitcher with the news of Harvey will be of interest. Pirates are deep in pitching prospects so Byrd adds more value than one of 10 RH flame throwers.

  281. cmat0829 says:

    Bleacher Report!

  282. Arriba Wilver says:

    Is it true you have to buy tickets for all potential playoff games (at home obviously) ? Is that what they mean by “strips?”

  283. cmat0829 says:

    No reason the Mets shouldn’t have opened up the store in July. Why they didn’t jettison the vets and go young earlier is beyond me. As much as I don’t fully understand ‘prospect hoarding’ I understand much, much less the “reluctant selling GMs”. Seattle GM too IMHO screwed up their situation… I also think the Nats could’ve been more active, someone like Werth would have been a big bat they could have sold off and got rid of that contract….

    But that’s just me. I guess things like attendance and PR matter more than roster makeup and payroll flexibility.

  284. 21sthebest says:

    I’m pretty sure that’s the case. Wish I had seen your question before I called my rep to ask about the refund situation!

  285. Bizrow says:

    Yes, that is my understanding, you buy tickets for all possible games

  286. cmat0829 says:

    what do you think a crazy offer is for one month of Pence?

  287. cmat0829 says:

    I’ve wanted Byrd since June, too bad the Mets were irrational and wanting to hold on to their veteran players, no idea why. Hard to see the Reds not claiming Byrd and allowing him to fall to the Bucs…but if he did fall, I do expect the Bucs to make an offer to pick him up.

  288. cmat0829 says:

    not sure i understand that one… Walker and the SS defense has been pretty good all year…

  289. Dom says:

    I am so desperate that I’d be willing to part with Barrett Barnes for him.

  290. cmat0829 says:

    before we get off on another “bash the Pirates FO and ownership thread”, I’m pretty confident the Bucs approach to playoff tickets is pretty standard across the league…except I am not sure other teams provide such discounts to season ticket holders over the individual game price. But I’m sure some will want to hold Nutting out as some sort of mizer for a standard policy and then others will want to praise him for the sun coming up this morning and I’ll have to scroll extra hard to get past all of the back and forth ‘discussion’. :)

  291. Jim S. says:

    Barmes is fair to me.

  292. cmat0829 says:

    is that crazy enough for Sabean who wants to re-sign Pence and would be ok with the compensation pick if he were to leave?

  293. Bizrow says:

    Offer Frank Coonley

    Hi Frank

  294. Jim S. says:

    I wanted him as well, but he was a productive player for them. Looking at it from their perspective, they weighed his value to their team for the remainder of the year vs. what teams were willing to give up for him. I bet they don’t think their demands were irrational. You always value your own guys more than the marketplace values them, I think.

  295. Arriba Wilver says:

    The reason EYE asked is because my buddy in DC told me he had to last year. And I thought he told me he found out it was standard, and maybe an MLB rule. My, how things change in 20 years. ;-)

  296. TJ says:

    cmat; was referring to Mercer. Not the actual second baseman. I have flash backs of him taking his eyes of a throw to the bag that was a sure double play.

  297. TJ says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a few GM’s lost their jobs this fall. With so many teams looking to acquire and teams like Seattle not making one move at the deadline is crazy to me. They were trying to drive up prices when they likely could have received a very good return.

  298. TJA says:

    Thanks…works for me, Brandie!

  299. Dom says:

    Yeah, I don’t understand why Seattle was unwilling to part with 2-3 guys who will probably not be around next year. I was informed that the GM was worried about keeping his job but if I was the owner, I’d be more upset at him not getting what he can for them.

  300. Bizrow says:

    Yahoo Fantasy Football

    League name is Dejan’s Lunatics

    Still good seats available

  301. Nate83 says:

    Seattle’s GM was given a 1 year contract extension before the beginning of this year that was just announced to the public quietly about a week ago. This information really doesn’t make his decisions any less unusual. I just wanted to point out he isn’t going anywhere.

  302. 21sthebest says:

    Biz, the goal is to offer a piece the other team would want.

  303. Thundercrack says:

    I’m not sure why some of these teams didn’t make these deals at the deadline.
    They could have gotten more then.

    But too many are afraid of what signal it sends to their fans. (and some of that fear comes from their owner too).

  304. 21sthebest says:


  305. Bizrow says:

    Oh, come to think of it, you might be right ;-)

  306. Jim S. says:

    +++, Thunder.

  307. Bizrow says:

    Williingham placed on waivers per MLBTradeRumors

  308. 21sthebest says:

    I think with the additional wild card and how some teams have come from way behind over the past couple of years, the environment has changed. And I like it.

  309. Jandy says:

    I dunno, Dom, looks like the 7 year old won…Geno went down at the end, not the boy ;)
    Thanks for sharing, gave me some laughs!

  310. 21sthebest says:

    Was that Bowser’s kid?

  311. Jandy says:

    Nah…he isn’t in Russia ;)

  312. Arriba Wilver says:

    In addition, the no-compensation for losing mid-season picks for the teams that picked them up if not retained probably cut down on what teams were willing to give up, too. That was added in the last CBA.
    I agree, I kind of like it, too. Sometimes it seemed unfair that a team could, in a sense, “buy” a second half.

  313. Lad9 says:

    I just wish he was healthy Biz. He is banged up this year. Hitting .177/2/8 in the last 30 days, and .214/12/45 for the year. His knees may be shot. He hit 35 dingers last year too…..

  314. When Stephen Stamkos has the puck, I think it’s going in the net.
    When John Tavares has the puck, I think it’s going in the net.
    When Alex Ovechken has the puck, I think it’s going in the net.

    When Geno Malkin has the puck, I think he is going to lose it!

  315. Bizrow says:

    Agree Lad9

    Just another fellow out there and he’s signed for next season as well

  316. Willingham is a guy I’d take a flyer on for one month.

    Grilli soon to return, so send them Vin Mazzaro off Major League staff.

  317. Wilver Dornel,

    Or buy those extra comp picks!

    I agree with you, Wilver Dornel. Much more fair now. But it’s also why San Fran is holding onto Pence.

  318. 21sthebest says:

    I always wished the trade deadline was 1-2 months earlier.

  319. Jandy says:

    Depends which Geno shows up for that particular game.

  320. Damon says:

    C’mon, Geno had 50 goals two seasons ago. Last year his shoulder was a major reason why he wasn’t as prolific, and he forced a lot of passes he shouldn’t have made because of it.

  321. JAL says:

    Dip, agreed, otherwise meaningless. Prior to Bucs being 4 games up the Cards lost more than 4 games to them in less than 15 days. That is the ups and downs of the season.

  322. Milo Hamilton says:

    John Buck & Marlon Byrd is heating up. And it may be the Pirates.

  323. Bizrow says:

    The Pirates got Bird and Buck??

  324. Jim S. says:

    I’d say Hughes goes long before Vin, Groat. Hughes seems to get lit up a lot.

  325. Milo Hamilton says:

    Adam Rubin ESPN New York reporting what I just posted.

  326. Bizrow says:

    MLB Trade Rumors is reporting it

  327. Jim S. says:

    Anybody hear anything about advance ticket sales for the Brewers series? I’m sure they will shoe horn 115k in over the weekend, but can we expect at least 90k over the next 3 nights? I hope the place is rockin’. Bucs need all the support they can get.

  328. Bizrow says:

    Thanks Milo, can’t go to twitter from work, but thanks for the link.

    Very interesting, to get both of them, dont’cha think?

  329. Baywatch says:

    Woo-Hoo! The saviors! :–)

  330. TJ says:

    I must say I’m rather shocked.

    Will be interesting to see what was sent back or if we are eating the salaries

  331. Naje says:

    Thanks for the heads-up… guess we can stop pining for Lambo, Rambo, Morneau, mournaise sauce, and every other middling OF available…

  332. Jim S. says:

    The Reds are sure some cheap b*stards, aren’t they?

  333. Damon says:

    Any word on what it cost the Pirates? Nice move regardless….

  334. TJ says:

    About 7 minutes late karen. Scoop Milo picked it up at 2:01

  335. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice job by the beat writers.

  336. Baywatch says:

    Heyman reporting Mets get a “minor leaguer and ptbnl.” Pirates get them both, plus cash.

  337. Milo Hamilton says:

    Mets are also sending cash for a player to be named & a minor leaguer.

  338. Bizrow says:

    Byrd, who turns 36 on Friday, is having a surprising career year despite his age. In 464 plate appearances, he’s batting .285/.330/.518. His 21 homers and 136 OPS+ are both career-bests. Byrd is no longer a regular center fielder (just two games there in 2013), but his defense in right field grades out to a solid +6.6 UZR/150, and The Fielding Bible pegs him at nine runs saved. He’s owed just $130K for the remainder of the season before he will be a free agent, so he’s an affordable upgrade for the Pirates, financially speaking.

    Buck, 33, has cooled off considerably following a meteoric start that saw him club 10 homers in his first 25 games (23 starts). Since May 1, he’s hitting just .206/.290/.302 with six homers, and he’s owed $1.1MM. However, with McKenry out for the season following surgery to repair a torn meniscus, his pop and veteran leadership should be welcome additions for Pittsburgh. Buck has also caught a strong 30 percent of potential base-stealers.

  339. Karen22 says:

    Yeah, ppop!

    For Dilson Herrera & PTBN.

  340. Baywatch says:

    Dilson Herrera is the minor leaguer.

  341. Milo Hamilton says:

    We were spoiled people.

  342. twentytwo22 says:

    Now if we can get a 1B and send Jones packing…

  343. TJ says:

    I need to rant and rave about NH not opening his eyes and sticking by his 2015 bible more often

  344. JRay3 says:

    Nice aggressive move by NH to acquire an OF bat and Byrd with his .285 AVG and .848 OPS sure looks nice, and to get Buck with his 15 HR and 60 RBI, nice late inning bench piece and bat.

    Was hoping team would spend off day making something happen, leading into six key games with Cardinals in next two weeks and they have done just that.

    Can no longer find fault, with the FO for this attempt to strengthen team for last month of season, now its time to go win a Division Title.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  345. Damon says:


  346. Jim S. says:

    Munch, munch + decent but not great prospects, I would think.

    I am not a Buck fan (although, interestingly, I am a Buc fan), but he is nice insurance here.

    And Byrd is having a very good offensive year. I think this may be saying more about the extent of Starling’s injury than anything else. He bats righty, so I don’t know that he replaces Tabby who is hitting pretty well and getting on base of late. But, I wonder if they are thinking Starling could be out more than another week. I don’t know. Just speculating. If they know Starling is coming back in 6 days, I would think a lefty RF would be more logical.

  347. Karen22 says:

    I beat you on that one, Bay!

  348. TJ says:

    They must have liked the HR he hit off their minor league team the other day

  349. twentytwo22 says:

    Byrd’s .848 OPS is 5th among NL right fielders.

  350. Baywatch says:

    Up here, Karen! :-)

  351. Karen22 says:

    OK…we can all stop complaining now! Welcome to the Burgh, Mr. Byrd!

  352. Baywatch says:


  353. 21sthebest says:

    I think now is a good time to mention that the Nutting’s are in the process of purchasing Hidden Valley Ski Resort for $10 million in cash.

  354. Bizrow says:

    Scouting Grades* (present/future): Hit: 3/6 | Power: 3/5 | Run: 6/6 | Arm: 5/5 | Field: 5/6 | Overall: 3/6
    Some international prospects come to the United States and are, at least initially, overwhelmed. Not so for Herrera, who made his U.S. debut in 2012 and was among the Gulf Coast League leaders in a host of offensive categories. While he’s not the biggest guy in the world, he’s shown he can really hit and projects to be an above-average hitter in the future, with more power than you’d expect from a guy his size. A well-above-average runner, the Colombian infielder should be able steal bases consistently, and that speed should also help him with his range as he continues to get used to playing second base, having shifted from playing third in the Dominican Summer League in 2011 after signing.

    Ranked as No. 11 in system, per the PBC Website

  355. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    ::Doing my best Tom Hanks impression from Castaway


  356. Karen22 says:

    On his name, anyway…heh heh!

  357. Dom says:

    Buccos obtain John Buck and Marlon Byrd.

    Now, That is what I am talking about.

  358. Bizrow says:

    There’s not a casino there, is there?

    Can’t own both a casino and the PBC ;-)

  359. 21sthebest says:

    I bet if Buck becomes a star, Dejan will love him. Get it?

    Star Buck?

  360. Dom says:

    Wow. I didnt realize THAT many people beat me to it.

  361. 21sthebest says:


  362. JRay3 says:

    And hopefully it will silence the Pirates are afraid to give up prospects talk as well. Herrera is rated the #10 or #11 prospect in system by most outlets.

    Good signal to rest of the team that they are trying to go all-in this year and make a run.

  363. Playoffs by 2012 says:

  364. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    How are we gonna go 162-0 in 2015 without Herrera?

  365. Milo Hamilton says:

    Maybe the player to be named is Moises Alou.

  366. Karen22 says:

    Warp-speed internet, Dom!

    But NOW what are we gonna moan about? ;)

  367. Karen22 says:


  368. Jandy says:

    Does Hidden Valley Ranch come with that? ;)

  369. Lad9 says:

    Shhhh. That was supposed to be announced later Mr Doughty….. :)

  370. Bizrow says:


  371. Jandy says:

    OMG hubby found that movie a few weeks back while channel surfing. We laughed so hard I thought we’d bust!

  372. Arriba Wilver says:


  373. Bizrow says:

    Adios Sir Felix, we hardly knew ye

    And betcha McPherson to 60 day DL

  374. Jandy says:

    booooooOOoooo! :P

  375. Jandy says:

    What? No more Pie-ala-mode??? Say it ain’t so! ;)

  376. Robbie Brown scored almost 50 (48) goals one year.

    Which Geno is the real Penguin?

  377. Jim S. says:

    I was wrong about the munch, munch part. Apparently, we got cash. That means the prospect given up was more highly rated. Personally, I would have rather they eat the contracts and give NYM a lesser prospect, but maybe that wasn’t a choice NYM was willing to offer.

    I like Dilson, but you have to give something to get something.

  378. 21sthebest says:

    You didn’t like my joke? :-(

  379. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m not Underwhelmed. :-)

  380. 21sthebest says:

    He’ll be back in a couple of days with Tony.

  381. TJ says:

    ESPN reporting the Pirates have acquired Justin Morneau

  382. TJ says:

    Just kidding

  383. Naje says:

    Whelmed, then?

  384. Don’t trust New York reporters!

    Their batting average of correct reporting looks like Garret Jones’ last 60 ABs.

  385. Milo Hamilton says:

    Felix stays, Lambo goes. That’s what I would do. More versatile bench possibility for the post season. They can send Lambo to which ever minor league team whose season ends first, paper move. Then he doesn’t have to wait 10 days to come back.

  386. Arriba Wilver says:


  387. Thundercrack says:

    They gave a pretty good prospect. (that should make some here happy! :-)

    I hope it works. I am not a fan of Byrd for the fact that he got busted.


  388. Nate83 says:

    Now can everyone take a deep breath. This is a good move. I hope it doesn’t mean they know more about Marte’s injury then they are telling us. I like Byrd better then Morneau but I think the bigger hole in the line up currently is First base.

  389. Thundercrack says:


  390. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  391. Baywatch says:

    Ho! 21s capitalizes on all the excitement to slip in the ground-breaking pun! Let’s run that back one more time in slow-mo …

  392. Jim S. says:

    Nice one, Jandy!

  393. Jandy says:

    lol 21, you’re killing me!

  394. Jandy says:

    YAY! Pie to the face ;)

  395. Jim S. says:

    My daughter always cried at exactly that point in the movie when she was about 8.

  396. Jandy says:


  397. 21sthebest says:

    Pssst. Hidden Valley.

  398. Lad9 says:

    I think this is one of the better moves NH could have made. Byrd has been good this year with the bat and is an obvious immediate upgrade. I would think he would slot in as the #5 hitter. Plus, while he is no longer playing center he played there for years, and will essentially give us three CF capable guys when Marte returns, so our D gets much better. Buck is a bonus, though I was not unhappy at all with Sanchez.
    Herrera is a nice piece for the Mets, but we didn’t give up a crown jewel. And I have to believe the PTBNL is going to be from a list of lower level prospects. Good job NH. Hope it works out. We are due for one of these to turn out in our favor.

    Go Buccos! Going to game tonight. I don’t expect Byrd will be able to fly in on time but still stoked to go. Lets keep the rain away too….

  399. Baywatch says:

    Yes, Sir, TC, Sir!

  400. Jandy says:


  401. Jim S. says:

    He already went 2/4 with a double tonight, Dom. That’s how late you are! Just kidding. You turn your head for a second around here, and you get scooped.

  402. 21sthebest says:

    First, you feel 21 inside. Now this.

  403. Jim S. says:

    Nicely played, Milo.

  404. Arriba Wilver says:

    I ain’t complaining. ;-)

  405. SeanAY says:

    (Duh duh, duh duh)


    (Duh duh, duh duh)


  406. TJ says:

    I really don’t believe this has anything to do with Marte’s injury. I think it finally came down to a player slipping through waivers that they liked (inexpensive/having a good year) and they jumped on him. It would be interesting when Marte is healthy to see if they go Marte/Byrd/Cutch.

  407. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Love this trade.

    The Pirate add 36 HRs and an everyday RF. Byrd is a guy that was mentioned at the deadline. John Buck, good back up catcher with a lot of power, low average though, but someone they need for a playoff push.

  408. Jandy says:


  409. Jandy says:

    Will the REAL Evgeni Malkin PLEASE step forward?

  410. Jim S. says:

    I speculated on that as well, Nate. Byrd is more a replacement for Tabata rather than a compliment to him, since they both bat righty. Or, as you say, maybe he is a longer term fill-in for Starling. Either way, I still think they may need the left-handed hitting half of a platoon at either 1b or RF. Please snap out of it, Garrett.

  411. twentytwo22 says:

    Byrd to the middle Martin to 7th. Byrd has been batting cleanup for the Mets. Martin has a .681 OPS hitting 5th. 1.044 batting 7th.

  412. Jandy says:

    You can delete the cheap, and it’s still true :D

  413. Tom P. says:

    Does anybody know if Byrd can get to Pittsburgh in time for tonight’s game?

  414. I guess Clint Hurdle and Neal Huntington were as unimpressed with Tony Sanchez’ defensive prowess behind the plate as Milo and I are.

  415. TJ says:

    36 hr = 1/4 of the team total of 123. They become #3 and #4 on the team in HR’s.

  416. TJ says:

    He’s a byrd; shouldn’t need a plane.

  417. Nate83 says:

    They did give up a pretty good prospect. A really young one that could end up being really good. I am perfectly fine with what they gave up. I think it is appropriate for what this team was lacking and the quality of players they got in return. It definately wasn’t playing for 2015 and I would think it didn’t underwhelm. I wonder where they will bat Byrd in the line up?

  418. Bizrow says:

    Don’t we have to clear 2 40 man spots?

    Maybe not, but I thought so

  419. Jim S. says:

    Hope you’re right, TJ.

  420. Jandy says:

    hey, I STILL feel 21 inside ;)


  421. twentytwo22 says:

    1 Marte/Tabata
    2 Walker
    3 McCutchen
    4 Byrd – Career .908 ops 4th
    5 Alvarez highest career ops is 5th .818
    6 Martin career .767 ops here
    7 Jones
    8 Mercer

  422. Nate83 says:

    I think that has a little to do with it but I also think it just protects them if Martin should get injured. It would be asking a lot to have Sanchez starting in a pennant race down the stretch when he has maybe 7 or 8 starts under his belt.

  423. Jandy says:


  424. Nate83 says:

    That seems too obviuos so it probably won’t happen.

  425. Damon says:

    Brown scored 48 goals on Mario’s line at a time when scoring was at a much higher rate than today. The real Geno is the one who has all those trophies in his trophy case showing the kind of player he has been. There are 29 NHL teams that would kill for Geno Malkin.

  426. Jandy says:


  427. AJS says:

    So is Byrd to replace Tabata and Jones in right or is it an insurance policy because marte will be out for some indeterminate period of time?

  428. Jandy says:

    Jeez, Playoffs, you’re greedy! :P

  429. Jandy says:

    Bring home the W Lad Nine!

  430. 24/7 still looking for parking space.

    Travis thinking up MVP for last 72 hours.

  431. Bizrow says:

    Remember Matt denDecker? He’s getting called up to replace Byrd

  432. Arriba Wilver says:

    He adds some “pop” though, that we sorely need.

  433. Jandy says:

    * are

  434. Jim S. says:

    Both of you may be correct. Sanchez is no sure thing. He seems to allow a lot of passed balls to me, but maybe that is just a matter of being new to the staff.

  435. Naje says:

    Agree with you Groat… but also agree with Nate83… T.Sanchez just isn’t ready for the potential 5 to 8 games that he may start and the team just can’t afford that type of question mark in this pennant race.

  436. Arriba Wilver says:

    There was some speculation on the radio this morning that Martin was wearing down some, too.

  437. Jandy says:

    I mentioned the passed balls, and NorCal (Ryan) told me it wasn’t his fault, it was the pitcher’s fault.

  438. Jim S. says:

    Huh? I’m just hoping they can combine for about 8 in the next 5 weeks. After the season, they are gone.

  439. Jim S. says:

    Absolutely, Arriba. I’m thrilled we got Byrd.

  440. Jandy says:

    I have a problem with Geno’s blind backward passes. Not his goal numbers.

  441. Jandy says:

    Dejan should be thrilled. The blog just got 300% happier :)

  442. Jim S. says:

    I like Dilson a lot, but he’s a 2b. They can be found, if Walker is gone in a couple of years.

  443. Jandy says:

    I’m thinkin that’s a joke….so a :thwap: should do ;)

  444. Arriba Wilver says:

    Haven’t they depleted their Minor League system to a large extent?

  445. 21sthebest says:

    Yes. 2 25 man spots and 2 40 day spots. McPherson is on the minor league DL and can’t be moved to the 60 day unless you promote him and then DL him which is what I think they did with Irwin.

  446. pattonbb says:

    I like the deal. And I don’t care what newspaper or network broke the news.

    John Buck has some power and decent defense.

  447. Bizrow says:

    No, he was a PBC unsigned draft choice, at signing deadline, he went on a cruise instead of sticking around.

    Funny what you can remember.

    Now, where did I put those? Ah, forget what I was working on/looking for……

  448. I would think it has more to do with Mets wouldn’t give up Byrd unless Bucs took Buck and his recent .200 average for last 3 months with Byrd. I bank little on obtaining “injury protection” 3 days before September.

    I do think Buck is an upgrade over Sanchez though.

  449. Arriba Wilver says:


  450. Jandy says:

    Oh…I stand corrected.


  451. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hidden benefit – Byrd’s probably younger than Tabata.

  452. Jandy says:

    So, where’s Thunder?

  453. Baywatch says:

    “Take these broken (Pirates) wings and help us fly … WE were only waiting for this moment to arise.” From The Beatles’ “Blackbird”

  454. Jandy says:

    And has no hickey on his neck ;X

  455. Baywatch says:

    I mean SUNG TO THE TUNE OF …

  456. pattonbb says:

    And, this should spell the end to Tabata in RF, which also makes me very happy.

  457. Baywatch says:

    + Another one on your 1

  458. Thundercrack says:

    Do you think the Steelers should employ a zone blitz more or go with a Cover 2 ?

    Has Bylsma been fired yet?

  459. Baywatch says:

    Peepa ain’t right!

  460. 21sthebest says:


  461. Bizrow says:

    16th pick in 2009

  462. Jim S. says:

    So, if you are a Reds fan right now, are you PO’d that your owner wouldn’t open the purse strings and get Byrd? Seems like an upgrade to Ryan Ludwick, who is still rounding back into shape hitting-wise, and cannot match Byrd in the field.

    I’m glad we got Byrd and Buck. They should be a nice boost to a team that needed an infusion right about now.

  463. Bizrow says:

    thats ok, never been :thwap:ped before ;-)

  464. Nate83 says:

    I’m thrilled because I won’t have to hear well at least they tried. I hope it gives this offense the boost it needs. It’s not the first baseman we need but it is the middle of the order bat we needed. This should allow others to slide down in the order and be in a role they can contribute best in.

  465. AJS says:

    Once marte comes off the DL yes. But for the next week you still get to see Tabby in either right or left. Byrd will man the other spot. And We will still likely see some of Jones at first. Not sure whih is worse aainst a right handed pitcher. Jones or Gabby. Gabby is putrid against righties.

  466. Dom says:

    A+ trade.

  467. Naje says:

    Only has about 700% more to go to see sunshine.

  468. pattonbb says:

    A week won’t kill me. Don’t be raining on my parade, AJS!

  469. Yeah! If the pitcher had not thrown the pitch, Tony would not have missed it!

  470. Bizrow says:

    And then it has to be Pie getting dropped for the second spot, unless someone else is hurt?

  471. Jim S. says:


  472. 21sthebest says:

    Well put.

  473. Jandy says:

    Yup, there he is!

  474. pattonbb says:

    Tonight is Marlon Byrd T-Shirt night at Citi Field, by the way.

  475. Stuart says:

    Gotta like the trade. Maybe a LH First baseman is still in play also!


  476. Jandy says:

    So, where’s Dejan?

    And I don’t wanna hear he’s off today!

  477. Thundercrack says:

    I didn’t like that Kelly Shopach was our backup behind Tony Sanchez.

    When all the crap was happening in Boston last year, I heard he wasn’t too well liked by his teammates.

  478. Jandy says:

    I’ll keep that in mind lol

  479. Thundercrack says:

    Go to yesterday’s thread and read his rant.

    It doesn’t have to be all Pirates – all the time!


  480. Jim S. says:

    Waiting for this moment to arrive.

  481. Jandy says:

    Yeah…that’s right!

  482. 21sthebest says:

    If my scenario is correct.

  483. Nate83 says:

    Jim, Dusty Baker just called me and he told me to tell you to stop picking on him and his team. He threatened to hit one of our batters if you don’t.

  484. Thundercrack says:

    Depending on where you look on the interweb, the Reds payroll is over $100 million.

  485. bradthedad says:

    Need 3 servicable catchers and Shoppach isn’t even getting ABs in AAA.

  486. tomp says:

    i can’t wait for Starling, Byrd, and Cutch to be manning the outfield in the same game.

    That will be one outfield that can really FLY!!!

    Does the team plan on giving Marte any type of rehab games?, or will he be ready to rock and roll as soon as his 15 days are up?.

  487. Jandy says:

    Which one?????

  488. Jandy says:

    trust me, I read it all lol
    That’s why I asked where he was!


  489. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    Does Buck play any at 1B?

    I assume that the platoon at 1B stays and Jones doesn’t see anymore time in RF.

    Tabata goes back to the bench once Marte returns.

  490. Dom says:

    Maybe there is still time to scratch out his name and write in “Dilson Herrera” with a sharpie.

  491. Nate83 says:

    They also lied to Brandon Phillips and told him they didn’t have any money to give him more and then turned around and gave Votto 220 million after Phillips signed. They can’t go spending 2 million more and making him even more mad that money didn’t go to him.

  492. pattonbb says:

    Oh wow, I missed that. Interesting stuff.

    Somebody must have switched to decaf.

  493. For Dejan’s blood pressure:

    It’s about time that the BMTIB got off their duff and did something!

    That FO must have answered the Mets’ phone call by mistake!

    Bob Nutting is just ticked that Marlon Byrd missed the clay pigeon shoot! He may hold a 2nd.

    Neal Huntington said, “The reality is, John Buck has a better downward plane than Tony Sanchez! And Buck does NOT use Twitter.”

    Frank Coonelly said, “Is Marlon Byrd that owner of the Stoll Inn calling back?”

    That should add some Zzzzzzzzzz to Dejan’s smoke!

  494. Jandy says:


  495. The Gunner says:

    It appears the 39 year old Tabata’s days are numbered – good deal!!

  496. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I think Pedro will stay at 4, but Byrd batting behind him can improve Pedro as well.

    I like Bryd #5.

  497. Jandy says:

    OK I got stuff to do.

    Good work by the PBC….Beat ‘em Bucs!

  498. Nate83 says:

    I’m guessing that he will be good to go after 15. If he isn’t the DL stint will be extended. I thought I heard he has an actual partial tear in a ligimate on his hand. It seems like something like that is either better or not better.

  499. tdb1977 says:

    Or they can just hand everyone a piece of masking tape to put over the word Mets on the front of the t-shirt, so they can write Pirates

  500. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    It made me chuckle, 21.
    But it still deserved the cricket.

    This is a tough crowd.

  501. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Cause it goes back to the pitcher.

    Pitchers throw in the dirt, catchers job is to block it. not catch it.

  502. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Yes, but boy will his arms be tired.

  503. Cracker,

    You’re not always too well liked by your teammates here (see Mr. 21*) and we still let you in!

    Shopach’s Mother and I both like him.

  504. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He didnt miss any of them…..except maybe 1 that they were crossed up on..

    I know that never happens to anybody else in the league.

  505. Tom P. says:

    Judging from the lineup posted on the next thread, the answer is no.

  506. Why? He has a contract Bucs have to pay. Lambo doesn’t.

  507. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t like Cracker?

  508. TJA says:


  509. Wide Receiver Nate,

    So, who are you believing? Brandon Phillips, who lied about Jared Hughes to get attention, or the Reds’ Front Office.

    If Phillips lips are moving he is lying!

  510. Nate83 says:

    This is a serious question because Jones just seems lost right now at the plate and we still did not address that issue. Can Lambo play first? Has he ever done it before? I’m not a huge fan of his but he couldn’t be worse then Jones right now if his defense is passable at first. Also getting Bryd means we need one less middle of the line up bat. Lambo can bat later in the order with very little pressure.

  511. Nate83 says:

    I think the Votto deal was close to completion when they told Phillips that, so technically the money wasn’t there. He’s just to ignorant to realize that was the order of events. He signed the contract. If he thought he was worth more he should have became a free agent. He didn’t so he needs to shut his mouth and play for his 12 million a year.

  512. Dom says:

    If Jones is doing so poorly, we should obtain Morneau. I see him as the lesser of the three evils. I cannot see how Lambo would get a shot at first when he hasn’t played 1st at all this season in the minors.

  513. Thundercrack says:

    +1 to Groat

  514. theplanisworking says:

    I amnot either.
    neal proved me, AND many others wrong by finally getting off his ass and doing something.

    AW, it will be just a matter of time til people start complaining about these players, sadly.

    Happy with the players acquired.

  515. theplanisworking says:


  516. theplanisworking says:

    + many.

  517. Jim S. says:

    I just heard this on MLB radio. Casey Stern (afternoon guy with Jim Bowden) said, “Good news coming in for the Bucs with Starling Marte. He will not need surgery. Should be swinging again in a couple of weeks.”

    Not very specific, but assuming he is correct that means Starling is out 2 weeks more + rehab. That could be another week. That is about 18 more of the 32 remaining games. Now, this report may not be completely accurate. We’ll have to see how it plays out. But, if it is accurate, then the move for Byrd was all about replacing Starling for 3 more weeks or so.

  518. Jim S. says:

    Shop vac.

  519. Jim S. says:

    I second that.

  520. Jim S. says:

    I’ll send him a gross of spearmint toothpicks, Nate. That ought to smooth things over.

  521. Baywatch says:

    LOL! The one with the hickey!

  522. Baywatch says:


  523. Baywatch says:

    (OK, I just laughed out loud on the inside!)

  524. Baywatch says:

    That’s what Mad Magazine called Shopach in their “The Kelly Shopvac Story!”

  525. Baywatch says:

    LOVE the festive atmosphere here now!

  526. Brandie says:

    PHISH would be proud!

  527. 82 minor league games at 1B…including 16 starts this year.

  528. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    That’s for all of you Walker bashers!

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