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By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …


>> The Monday column does not take a gentle tack with Todd Haley.

I stress in there and will repeat here: The OC is  hardly alone to blame. I cite a few other examples, but I’d like to hear from you on this topic, where your finger is pointing this morning.

Here’s our full Steelers coverage, by Alan Robinson, Mark Kaboly and Ralph Paulk, as well as our Steelers photo gallery by Chaz Palla and Chris Horner.

I call special attention in that pack to the main game story and Brett Keisel’s powerful — and painfully accurate — assessment of David DeCastro’s chop block that errantly felled Maurkice Pouncey.

Here’s Keisel on a couple other topics …

And some of Mike Tomlin

Here’s Titans news from the Tennessean.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Mike Wallace had a bad day, too, in his Dolphins debut. The Miami Herald reports.

And the word from out West is that it was a rough day all-around …


>> The Pirates stayed stuck on 81, were swept by the Cardinals, saw Charlie Morton go down to injury, and fell into a second-place tie with the Reds by evening’s end. Rob Biertempfel reports from St. Louis.

Here’s our full Pirates coverage.

Here’s Cardinals news from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Rangers news from the Dallas Morning News.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Wrestling is back in the Olympics. With is wonderful. But as I wrote in the Feb. 13 column, it’s ridiculous that it ever became a topic.

>> Penn State’s three-man backfield is counted by Chris Adamski. If you missed the Sunday column, I compared Bill O’Brien to the Dos Equis guy.

>> WPXI-TV’s ‘The Final Word’ gained a new sponsor, Subway, and a new contributor, Mark Madden, with last night’s episode. Hope you had a chance to catch us!

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Eddie says:

    Excellent column as always Dejan. I think we must ask, with LSH apparently out for the season now, will Haley in fact STILL design the offense around him for week 2? Stay tuned!

    DK: That was kind of the joke!

    Thanks, Eddie.

  2. dcpinpgh says:


    Free Hernandez = Free the ACL…..

  3. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Here are the up=to-date standings:

    Bill Born ~ 600
    Rick in Crete ~ 200
    cosmo ~ 200
    pattonbb ~ 200
    Dom ~ 150

    bman ~ 2755
    JRay3 ~ 2150
    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 2125
    Nate83 ~ 1625
    blazer ~ 1500
    War Horse ~ 1365
    JUCOFan ~ 1300
    Bill Born ~ 1080
    Dadtackular ~ 900
    Pucknutz ~ 900
    Irish ~ 800
    KJX ~ 750
    theplanisworking ~ 750
    fellocolonial ~ 700
    stickyweb ~ 700
    Chico ~ 600
    Ermine ~ 600
    RobertoForever ~ 490
    tdb1977 ~ 485
    OZ ~ 400
    TCB ~ 400
    JohninOshkosh ~ 385
    EricBowser ~ 325
    Vette60 (Randy in RVA) ~ 250
    Boise Bucco ~ 200
    Evan ~ 200
    Hal Smith ~ 200
    kr70 ~ 200
    Rick in Crete ~ 200
    JoeyBats ~ 175
    Karen22 ~ 175
    cherokee23 ~ 150
    BDHumbert ~ 125
    A1C McG ~ 100
    Matt hoffman ~ 100
    PetroSteel ~ 100
    steelercrazy ~ 100
    MarkV ~ 50
    mlrgenuine ~ 50
    TJ ~ 50
    tmp444 ~ 25
    Fish ~ 0
    Frankie ~ 0
    Jason81 ~ 0
    pants-n-at ~ 0
    Ruffian706 ~ -40
    Dom ~ -75
    Ben ~ -80
    absolute59 ~ -100
    Arriba Wilver ~ -100
    Brian ~ -100
    Dcpinpgh ~ -100
    John in WM ~ -100
    Kevin S ~ -100
    The Gunner ~ -100
    TK ~ -100
    buggee ~ -150
    Ghost ~ -150
    Alexandre Giesbrecht ~ -200
    cosmo ~ -200
    DemonDachshund ~ -200
    DormontGeorge ~ -200
    Ryan76 ~ -200
    Big B ~ -300
    Brandie ~ -300
    Joey Mellons ~ -300
    toochca ~ -300
    cmat0829 ~ -350
    Keith ~ -350
    radio wave ~ -375
    Steve J. Smith ~ -400
    pattonbb ~ -500
    stuart66 ~ -500
    Jandy ~ -875
    JaxBuc ~ -900
    JMB ~ -1100
    Lad9 ~ -1600
    Kevin ~ -1635
    JD ~ -1975
    Bizrow ~ -5100

    ***The Most Points for the end of SEPTEMBER will win:***

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fourth Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fifth Place at the end of the season will win:

  4. Mizery says:

    It feels like the season is over before it started. I can take a loss, but the same miserable turnovers and penalties happen time after time. I see a ton of the same things we all saw last year. I could stomach it a little better if the Pirates actually win number 82 but alas…..

  5. Cobra39 says:

    Dejan is great writing about the Pirates and the Pens but about the Steelers — not so much. The blame for where this franchise is headed could be spread around to many different areas, but if people want to make Haley the whipping boy, I guess that’s the way it will be.

    DK: Which is why, in the very column you presumably read, I spread the blame “around to many different areas” and identified them specifically.”

    Did the headline stop you?

  6. diehardburgher says:

    Last two Pirate collapses due to pitching. Once again, pitchning now suspect. For a month and a half they have not played like playoff team-no reason to suspect anything will change with three weeks left. Even if they make wild card they cant beat the Astros in a 5 game series.

    Steelers, I fault Tomlin. Lots of reasons but the biggest is no one plays intensely, no plays with fire in their belly except maybe Clark, and Polamolu. Say what you want about Harrison at least he wanted to rip your head off which is more of what the Steelers need. Way too much complacency. “Standard is the Standard, Unleash Hell, etcc…. blah blah” I suspect players dont respect him and they sure dont respond to him. I always put aside money and buy best seats I can for one game a year (spend a thousand or more total each time) but two yrs ago I stopped because I am not paying money to watch people who dont care-it is obvious they just dont give a crap. No other reason you lose to Titans than you just dont care.

  7. Reading says:

    Why not blame the D- coordinator also? Third-down D is atrocious. The number one D stat from previous years is great, but when a D needs to act like a true number 1 Championship D, it needs to bail out the offense, if necessary, get the other team off the field, not stand tough for two downs then give it all away on third down, prevent the other team from having the ball for 6-8 minute drives, etc.

  8. Ghost says:

    The dink-and-dunk is here to stay. Our offensive line was not improved, after all. We don’t have the people movers to surge and drive a running game. We don’t have the protectors who can keep Ben upright and unharried for, oh, two and a half seconds. So the dink-and-dunk poor man’s offense is going no where. Not saying Todd Haley is exempt from blame. But a larger causation has been becoming harder and harder to ignore…

    While it’s too early to make a call on the Steeler’s most recent draft, in general, Steeler management has been slipping in keeping the team stocked with championship level athletes and competitors. To borrow a line from Lloyd McClendon,right now the Steelers just ‘don’t have enough bullets.’ More bullets are needed to compete in this leauge. Some scouts and some decision makers — including perhaps Kevin Colbert and the founder’s grandson — have been failing at meeting the Steeler standard.

    Wonder if Bill Cowher might be interested in doing a John Elway here in Pittsburgh. Bill knows he’s too old to coach the kids these days. But he actually might be good at running the organization and making personnel decisions. Cowher didn’t figure out how to harness all the talent of his players until the end of his tenure. But talented players he always had. Identifying and assembling athletes might have been his greatest ability.

  9. John Lease says:

    Point about the TD they finally scored was right on. How many times would they have dumped it to Redman 4 yards short of the endzone? I was shocked they actually threw TO the endzone on 4th down.

  10. Drew71 says:

    At least the players are talking to each other in the locker room this season.

    I wonder what they’re saying this morning.

  11. Drew71 says:

    Well. Maybe the first 25 paragraphs slamming Haley stopped him, Dejan.

    Or paragraphs 28, 29, 31 or 32. Out of 32.

    I suspect you’re right about Haley but cheese-o-man. Calling Cobra out as if he didn’t read the column. Did you? Or did you just read the other 3 paragraphs?

    Maybe you’re right about Cobra, Dejan, but it was a different line that stopped him. Cobra probably missed “Look, there was blame to go around”. In paragraph 26.

  12. theplanisworking says:

    Ok. I read the morning column.
    Watched most of the game.

    Yes, Haley deserves much blame, as does Tomlin, and the players.

    Curious by his absence in the blame for the debacle yesterday is Kevin Colbert.
    Colbert was the person who acquired the players yesterday, not Haley, or Tomlin
    Colbert was the one who didnt upgrade the team in the offseason.
    Colbert made the draft choices. Sure glad they picked Landry Jones this year!!

    Yesterday, I saw a horrible O-Line……. #1 and #2 draft choices.
    Yesterday, I saw a slow D-Line.
    Yesterday, I saw middling linebackers, BEFORE Foote got hurt.
    Yesterday, I saw a secondary that was eh, arriving too late, and leaving wide open spaces for Jake Freaking Locker!

    Wonder if anyone will dare to ask Coach StroySpeak if he still believes that everyone else was better than Dwyer. Wonder if Colbert will swallow his pride and try to bring him back? I doubt it………. that would mean they have to admit they made a mistake. Not happening.

    So yesterday we saw the fruits of the Steelers off-season acquisitions, the result of their preseason woes. 10-6??? I predicted 6-10, and this morning, I think I was way too optimisitic. With this O-Line, I se Ben injured for the majority of the season, and 3 wins might be doable. But as long as Colbert et al continue to get a free pass in regards to blame for this mess, dont expect too many miracles, folks.

  13. theplanisworking says:

    Should be Coach StorySpeak. You know, the standard is the standard? Next man up? Unleash Hell? I walk past 5(6) Lombardis, not 5(6) turnstiles every day (turnstiles are the O-Line)…………….

  14. theplanisworking says:

    And, being I am concerned about both the Steelers and Pirates TV ratings, I switched back and forth between games. What I saw on the Pirate game was truly worrying.

    No offense, errors, Morton hurt, both starting and relief pitchers battered around.

    Who is going to be a leader down the stretch? Who will step up? Right now, I dont see anyone. 3 games coming up against Texas, and I see another sweep. Darvish will get 19 strikeouts tonight. 6 more games against the Reds……….. out of those 9 games, I can see 7 losses easily.

    But being we cant dare criticize the Coaches , I guess we just have to hope for the best. neal did his job, now lest see who wants to do theirs.

    Oh, and better keep an eye on Arizona and Washington.

  15. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’m no big X’s and O’s guy, but the Steeler offensive players look confused and unsure to me.
    I get the feeling this offense is overly complicated, and that’s one of the biggest reasons it’s not working.
    It’s the same type of feeling as when Joe Walton was OC for a year or two in the (I believe) early 90’s.
    Over complicating anything usually doesn’t work, and this offense obviously is not working.

  16. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I didn’t see any of the Pirate game yesterday, as when I looked at the score and saw it was 5-0 StL early, I figured I didn’t need extra aggravation.
    It’s getting quite clear to me that if the Pirates make the playoffs, it will be a one game wild card game.
    I now see little to no hope of them winning the division.
    It might sound crazy, but it strikes me like there is too many people in that dugout since the 9/1 call ups.
    Added roster helps Hurdle to make various moves….But could it be a distraction for the team itself?

  17. Tom P. says:

    With 20 games left, the Pirates magic number to clinch the second wild card is 13 (vs. Washington), to host the wild card game is 20 (vs. Reds), and to win the division is 22 (vs. Cardinals).

    Series of interest stating tonight are Pirates at Rangers, Cubs at Reds, and Nationals at Mets. Arizona is a game behind Washington, and Arizona starts a series in LA tonight. St. Louis starts a series with Milwaukee tomorrow.

  18. chethejet says:

    Over complicating is not an excuse in professional football. It is clear however that the Steelers are not capable of doing anything well on offense. They haven’t been very good for quite awhile. They miss Miller big time and we will see if Bell can give them the kind of production that has been missing since Bettis. OLine is terrible pre- Pouncey, now things will get worse due to inserting a complete inexperienced player into a position of importance. Haley can’t coach around this unless Miller and Bell give him options.

  19. Wild Bill says:

    Wow. Just read Keisel’s remarks about his own team’s blocking schemes. Think things are going to be a little tense at the Steeler’s practice complex this week? I happen to agree with Keisel that the league which places player safety above all other matters (lol) should just outlaw cut blocks. And is there any practical difference between a “chop” block (illegal) and these cut blocks, anyway?

  20. The Justice Avenger says:

    Good morning, All! With all the craziness and ugliness in St. Louis this weekend…thanks, Tom for posting this. There is STILL something special about the words “Magic Number” and “Pirates” in the same sentence.

  21. Wild Bill says:

    And in terms of DK addressing Haley’s work, I would pile on by saying that at this point it seems to do nothing well, or we have the wrong players for it. And I was no fan of Ariens’ offense.

  22. MadTurk says:

    Bad day in Pittsburgh sports indeed.

    Hurdle quote ” “And there’s still people I talk to who wake up every morning in fear, not in hope.” Well give us something tangible on the field and maybe hope will return.

    Steelers – Ben has to take some blame as well. Steps up in the pocket when not needed. Holds the ball to long, indecisive, these are keys to getting sacked and throwing interceptions. Sure, not all his fault in this game, the OL line was not good. Running was not good, play calling not good, defense so so, they cannot be on the field so long. This was evident even when we had great defensives. Ben needs to learn to drop and throw, look off the defensive backs not lock on his receiver. IF Ben is calling a lot of these plays? As he is able and has the backing to do then I cannot blame all the play calling on Haley.

    Just another sucky day for he Steelers and Pirates yesterday.

  23. MadTurk says:

    If the standard is the standard we had for the last year, then they are meeting the standard.
    Didn’t someone once say something like “we have met the standard and they are us”

  24. Drew71 says:

    DeCastro: Some weather we’re having lately, huh?

    Keisel: You suck.

  25. Drew71 says:

    “Hit Somebody!!”

    “Shoot the Puck!!”

    Just getting in mid season form. For SOMEthing.

  26. JAL says:

    JAL’s Video Killed the Radio Star Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Here is Why the Pirates Have Been Contending All Year

    Prospect Watch: Jamestown Eliminated From the Playoffs

    2012 and 2013 are Mirror Images For Alex Dickerson

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Pirates lose 9-2 in latest depressing blowout

    Pennant Race Flashback: September 8, 1980

    6 Rumbunter

    Pirates GM Neal Huntington Show Highlights


    Game 142: Cardinals 9 Pirates 2

    8 The Green Weenie

    Bucs Flattened 9-2

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Cardinals 9, Pirates 2

    10 City of Champions

    Pirates’ awful weekend ends with another loss to Cardinals

  27. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 IS Sports

    Pittsburgh Pirates: The end of the James McDonald experiment

    12 Beaver County Times

    Pirates’ focus shifts after sweep

    13 Dallas Morning News

    Rangers Roundup: Musical chairs with the lineup may come to an end; Elvis Andrus eyes 40 steals; Rangers salvage win in Anaheim

    14 Fort Worth Star Telegram

    Elvis Andrus, Alex Rios help Rangers avoid sweep by Angels

    15 The American Spectator

    An Exorcism in Pittsburgh?

    16 CBS Sports

    Pirates v Rangers Game Preview

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Wacha’s gem helps Cards sweep Pirates

    With records falling, Carpenter is in MVP conversation

    18 PBC Site

    Pirates again have no answers for Cardinals

    Notebook: Morton exits start in second inning due to foot injury


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    BP Daily PodcastEffectively Wild Episode 281: The Soft-Tossing Starter Draft/Harry Pavlidis Explains All PITCHf/x

    20 Fangraphs

    10 greatest reliever seasons ever

  28. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Steelers vs. Titans Final Score: Pittsburgh savaged in season-opening loss to Tennessee

    The list of injured players begs only two questions the Steelers must ask themselves

    22 Steelers Depot

    Could John Malecki Be the Week Two Starting Center?


    23 London Evening Standard

    99 caps and 29 goals … but Frank Lampard rues the one that got away–but-frank-lampard-rues-the-one-that-got-away-8803765.html

    24 World Soccer Daily

    10 stories you need to read, 6th September, 2013


    25 Pensburgh

    Prospect Profile #17 – Josh Archibald

  29. JAL says:

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  30. NastyNate82 says:

    Good teams have bad stretches. Amazing how a 4 game losing streak makes everyone think its Armageddon. Also, don’t equate losing with not having leaders or people “failing to step up.” Sometimes, you just play bad and thats all it is.

  31. popsfan says:

    I don’t want to believe it, but I suspected last year that Clint Hurdle’s Magical Marvelous Mystery Motivational BaseBall Elixir and Snake Oil had a shelf life life of four and a half months, give or take a fortnight. I hope he can mix up another batch, but history tells me to not bet on it.

    As for the Steelers, I’ve watched them deteriorate year by year since Tomlin was named head coach. No discipline there. His first year there was a very noticeable loss of crispness in the way they played and every year since they have played more as a group of individuals than a team.

  32. MadTurk says:

    Hockey yes!!!! Just right around the corner sir.

    Now even if we have a coach that can get us in the playoffs some will want him fired. Wondered what would be said if his name was Huddle or Tomlin right now. “-)

  33. Jandy says:

    I hear Max Starks is available.

    Dwyer probably is too, but I doubt he’d even have the time of day for the Steelers…

  34. Jandy says:

    It’s funny, Drew, but it’s not….kinda sad…

  35. Milo Hamilton says:

    You know how your mother said it would feel better in the morning ? Not this time.

  36. Jandy says:

    Hear, hear, what The Justice Avenger said!

    I’ll be watching tonight. Looking for a clean start.

    Good thing I don’t chew my fingernails ;)

  37. Jandy says:

    haha guys, good stuff.

    I actually have a good feeling about this season. Sure, we lost some guys.
    Signing Martin gives me hope, tho.

    Drop the puck already!!!!

  38. Jandy says:

    I’ve seen Yes in concert. They were pretty good…just had to peer thru the haze of weed smoke to see them lol

  39. Drew71 says:

    You’re right re the players. The joke’s not on them.

  40. Jandy says:

    My Mother said, “it will pass”.

    It will, Milo. #82 is just around the corner. hang in there.

    I know it’s hard, you know, cuz you can’t win if you’re not scoring. And when Cutch starts making stupid (yes I said the “S” word) then you know it’s bad.

    I’m looking for the team to get their heads out of their collective azzes and play ome ball against the Rangers.

    Don’t give up on them now. They need us to send our good vibes.

  41. Drew71 says:

    My mother’s the one yelling HIT SOMEBODY

  42. Jandy says:

    I actually decided not to watch either debacle yesterday. Too nice of a day. Hubby and I took the Shelby out topless Glorious ride. We had her out for over 2 1/2 hours. September 9th already. Not sure how many of these days we’ll get from here on out.

  43. Jandy says:

    I hope you’re right, NastyNate. I’m looking for a turnaround in this series against the Rangers. #82 WILL come.

  44. Jandy says:

    LOL, I have 7 siblings…yes 7!! If anyone was doing the hitting, it was mom and the plastic baseball bat. Dang, that thing STUNG!

  45. Brandie says:

    Coach StroySpeak was much better, as in we are deStroy-ing the standard.

  46. Milo Hamilton says:

    I was lumping the Steelers in there too. My mother always said, “Once a choking dog, always a choking dog.” OK, she really didn’t say that. Actually looking forward to working today. :)

  47. Drew71 says:

    Who is Shelby?

    Can you send pictures?

  48. Brandie says:

    I think 82 is a huge part of the distraction as well. Forget about the number and play ball for Hippo’s sake.

  49. Jandy says:

    Ehh…we already knew months ago that the Steelers were going to be a work in progress this season for sure. Looks like that may be longer. And that’s too bad Sounds like Hipposter has it right, it’s more on Colbert.

  50. Jandy says:

    Darn right, Brandelita!

    Hey, while driving around yesterday, we were really close to Philipsburg…but hubby opted to turn around and go back by way of Glen Hope and Coalport. Oh well…

  51. Brandie says:

    Good Lord…the world has tilted…nuns and weed.

  52. Brandie says:

    Work in Progress is too kind. Hot Garbage is much better.

  53. Brandie says:

    Worked a lot in Coalport many years ago.

  54. NMR says:

    “Respectful of the past…but beholden only to what’s in front of him today.”

    Excellent, Dejan. Just wish this lesson was easier to accept for some.

    Really hope you were treated well on Saturday. Enjoyed the column.

  55. The Justice Avenger says:

    Really good point, Brandie…

  56. Jandy says:

    LOL Brandie, hubby got so sick on the smell I had to drive home. It’s funny now, but it wasn’t then.

  57. Brandie says:

    Getting moderated this morning. Maybe that is the problem with the Steelers as well.

  58. Jandy says:

    OK so I was being “nice” ;)
    Hot Mess is a good one too!

  59. Jandy says:

    This blog has been off-kilter for some time now…even JAL’s links were getting moderated…c’mon Trib, get with it ;)

  60. The Justice Avenger says:

    Thanks, Jandy. Indeed, as you suggest…a clean start tonight. Kind of a “homecoming” for Clint and wonder about Morneau facing some AL pitching…

  61. Jandy says:

    Sunday column..excellent, indeed!

  62. The Justice Avenger says:

    remember where this team was in april after that first road trip to southern california. yea, i was one of those that hollered a lot…. in april! Good point, Nate.

  63. Brandie says:

    This can also be said of the Pirates as well as the Steelers. The Pirates should be respectful of the streak to realize where they have come from then throw off that yoke and play ball.

    The Steelers, on the other hand…yesterday was so brutal. Pouncey said goodbye to two ligaments. Stephens-Howling said goodbye to his ACL. I feel so bad for him. He’s probably thinking “This is what I came to the hometown team for?”

  64. Brandie says:

    Thank you Justice Avenger.

  65. Jandy says:

    Don’t forget Foote…potentially season ending injury….
    Bad, bad start for the Steelers…

  66. Jandy says:

    I’m getting moderated too lol.


  67. Brandie says:

    Paging Mr. Max Starks…Please pick up the Black and Gold Courtesy Phone.

  68. pattonbb says:

    The Steelers are in trouble. The Titans are a 3 rd place team. They won’t have a .500 record by the end of the year. There’s a good chance they’ll lose their next 6 games, but they totally manhandled and outplayed the Steelers. Very disappointing.

    When did Ike Taylor become the cb other teams pick on?
    Tomlin said Heyward played really good in pre-season. What game was that? I missed it.
    Is it too early to call Mike Adams a bust? What about the entire 2012 draft?
    Jarvis Jones should never leave the field. EVER.
    Brett Keisel is absolutely right.

  69. 21sthebest says:

    “But being we cant dare criticize the Coaches”

    Or one of DK’s columns.

  70. Jandy says:

    I’d love to see Max back. I just wonder what he is thinking?
    Same with Dwyer…interesting indeed.

  71. Brandie says:

    Ah…wisdom is strong with this one.

  72. Chuck Snow says:

    Pretty easy weekend for Suck Meter.

  73. Brandie says:

    Shelby sure is pretty.

  74. DJ says:

    For all the shots being taken, I happened to think DK’s column was right on the mark.

    OK, we all understand the game plan needed to be modified once Pouncey went down. But to even go into the game with a plan that featured Beachum at tight end — a guy who had never played the position in a real live game — was silly. That’s the best Haley was able to come up with after weeks (months?) of advance planning? Work Beachum in on a few plays and see how it goes, yes, but the entire offensive game plan?

    OK, wrong personnel being sent into the game at a critical juncture, leading to or contributing perhaps to Redman’s fumble. How about calling a time-out there and getting things settled down? That’s the coordinator’s job, right? Were you not paying attention?

    The “five LaRods in a row” and the flat passes to Redman from the 4-yard line were comical. You could have a couple local high school coaches draw up better plays than those . . . from the stands.

    Not all Haley’s fault, to be sure, but a sizeable portion of the blame rests at his feet, as it does with the players.

  75. Jandy says:

    lol ZING!

  76. Arriba Wilver says:

    All the shots being taken?

  77. DJ says:

    Once Tomlin watches what Worilds “put down on tape” in this one, Jones will be starting, for sure. Bank on it.

    Worilds literally obliterated on two consecutive run plays on the first Titans TD.

  78. Thundercrack says:

    Has Tomlin gone on Twitter to talk about the game?

    Is he in a twitter war with any local columnists?

  79. 21sthebest says:

    I just opened the September 6-13 edition of the Pittsburgh Business Times and they have an article titled, “Steelers Have Pieces in Place for Playoff Push.”

    I guess this is how the SI and Madden jinxes got started.

  80. Jandy says:

    Needles or arrows? ;)

  81. DJ says:

    I count 4 above on a short list of postings with several others finding more blame in other aspects. To me, this game was 75% Haley, at a minimum.

  82. Patrick(RI) says:

    I am still in shock over nuns and Shelby GTs! There is more than one way to blow smoke.

  83. Jandy says:

    LOL TC, you’re poking the bear! ;)

  84. Bizrow says:

    Dwyer has been resigned

  85. Jandy says:

    We were blowing smoke allright ;)
    She has great pick up and hubby can make the tires squeal ;)

  86. Arriba Wilver says:

    I count 1 “shot.”

  87. Dom says:

    Anyone know the status of Cortez Allen?

  88. Brandie says:

    Blew his biceps. Guess you need that, huh?

  89. radio wave says:

    Spent yesterday afternoon suffering through the Cardinals game. Four game losing streak is one thing, but they were not competitive in any of those games over the weekend. I do not expect they win tonight but they should get a split in one of the last two in Texas. After that it’s up for grabs.

  90. Steve says:

    ” I can’t believe the news today. Oh, I can’t close my eyes and make it go away.”

    What a terrible performance by the Steelers yesterday. Redman, who doesn’t even play much in the pre-season is somehow determined to be better than Dwyer? Neither is the second coming of Jim Brown but how is Redman the best back the Steelers can send out there? Le’veon Bell better get healthy in a hurry and better show somehting when he does get on the field. Bottom line – this team is suffering from the effects of several mediocre drafts. The o-line complete with the swinging gates at right and left tackle is a disaster and it wasn’t much better before Pouncey’s injury. Larry Foote is a gamer but he was the best option at middle linebacker prior to his injury? Think Ben misses Heath Miller? I hope Todd Haley moves on after this season.

    I put th over/under on wins for the Pirates in the last 20 games at 5.

  91. pattonbb says:

    In Ralph N. Paulk’s article, “Titans toy with Steelers’ offensive line”, Mike Adams is quoted saying – “We just weren’t executing….They didn’t do anything. It was all us.”

    They didn’t do anything? Really? I’m pretty sure they beat you on almost every single play, Mike. They must’ve been doing something to make you look that bad.

  92. Thundercrack says:

    No. Not me. I thought a few others already did that earlier


  93. Jandy says:

    are you kidding me? wow.

  94. Milo Hamilton says:

    Jonathan Dwyer to the rescue. That should fix everything. Or nothing.

  95. Jandy says:

    You’re doing a good job, TC, keep it up ;)

  96. Jandy says:

    it’s just sad. The Pittsburgh teams have been snakebitten.
    Someone call the doc for the antidote!

  97. Jandy says:

    That’s almost a ghost town now…no offense to our own “Ghost”.
    Sad, sad, indeed.

  98. Jandy says:

    Thanks, Brandelita…we like her…a lot!
    Hubs jumped right on my suggestion to take her out instead of watching the garbage on television.

  99. pattonbb says:

    Doubt it fixes anything, but it certainly isn’t going to hurt anything.

  100. Ashevillejeff says:

    Hey, I lived in Coalport for six years

  101. tdb1977 says:

    Its easy to never be moderated when you dont have anything to say. Like my mom once told me – if you have nothing good to say, dont say anything at all.

    Well – the Buccos stunk up the joint horribly all weekend long. Haven’t played well since they were in Milwaukee. Pretty miserable weekend.

  102. Jandy says:

    Well, it’s a drop in the bucket, but it might help somewhat. He should never have been left go in the first place.

  103. Dom says:

    Yeah, DK said it well something of that nature on the final word last night.

    I really don’t see how it made sense to go with Redman with the little work he received. I’m not praising Dwyer but he’s the lesser of the two evils.

  104. DJ says:

    Well I see you put the word “shot” in quotes so therein lies the rub.

    Beyond that, I don’t see you quibbling with the substance of my assessment, so if that’s your thing, so be it.

  105. Bizrow says:

    And they might have lost their kicker as well?

    Heard that on the FAN this am.

  106. Jandy says:

    tdb, my friend,when you’re typing posts that are cleaner than Snow White, it’s not what you’re typing that gets you moderated…sheesh

  107. Jandy says:

    Suisham with a pulled hamstring

  108. Bizrow says:

    Jim Brown couldn’t run behind that O Line

  109. Jandy says:

    Hi Jeff, do you wanna go back there?

  110. Jandy says:

    I’m assuming you’re in Asheville, NC now?

  111. Brandie says:


  112. Scott says:

    It’s more than just a 4-game losing streak. It’s both apparent aces getting shelled in their recent starts. It’s getting swept by the team you’re competing with for the division title. It’s losing to injury your only consistent starting pitcher over the past month. It’s an all-star pitcher returning from hiatus and still looking like he belongs in the minors.

    You know, the people who keep claiming there’s a collapse coming are clearly living on a different planet. But the people who keep claiming that everything is just fine and dandy are also living on a different planet.

    The truth is somewhere in between. This team has serious issues right now, and pointing them out is hardly akin to thinking it’s Armageddon.

  113. Jandy says:

    Well, I guess he needs a job, right?

  114. Brandie says:

    So the S#*t just hit the FAN about Suisham. Oh for Hippo’s sake!

  115. DJ says:

    Mike Adams is still very young and learning so he deserves the benefit of the doubt at this stage, but I agree he needs to pick up his play — and his approach — dramatically.

    A little less “big teddy bear” and a little more “nasty” would serve him well . . . a la Alan Faneca.

  116. If I was Dwyer, I’d tell them to kiss my grits.

    But, thank heaven nobody signed him.

  117. Jandy says:

    So, Scott, are the Pirates gonna lose every game from now on out? or will they only win 5?
    And if I choose to root FOR them, not against them, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
    Where do YOU fit in all this mess?

  118. Brandie says:

    Unless he ruptures something important because of David DeCastro.

  119. Jandy says:

    yup, Pittsburgh teams are snakebitten. I sure hope it doesn’t extend to the Penguins…sheesh!

  120. theplanisworking says:

    Haley has nothing to do with the defense, injuries, or special teams. How you came up with 75% is beyond me.

    And, dont forget, Tomlin can overrule Haley.
    He was responsible for about 45% tops.

  121. DJ says:

    . . . same holds true with Gilbert.

  122. Jandy says:


  123. Brandie says:

    Totally agree Revvie Baby.

  124. Jim Brown would be better on the line right now at his age than half those guys, Biz.


  125. Jandy says:

    Hey Hey, it’s Hipposter! G’morning :)

  126. Jandy says:

    Hey, Revvie! Top O’ the morning to ya :)

  127. theplanisworking says:

    Dwyer re-signed.
    Tomlin will have him 4th out of 3 running backs, and will cut him again because the ball boys are better than him. What an embarrassment this is. Shame on Colbert and Tomlin. Oh, and re-signing Starks would be the cherry on top.

  128. Brandie says:

    As I live and breathe…It’s Plan-Francisco.

  129. Jandy says:

    Yeah, Revvie, I was sayin that to the guys here at work…but like I said, he prolly needs a job…so he accepted. Man, it would have been amazing tho, had he told them to kiss his grits!

  130. Lad9 says:

    The Titans didn’t seem to have any problem figuring the Steeler offense out. It can’t be that hard to learn.

    I don’t think it is the complexity (I think it is a fairly basic offense to be honest) – I think it is the fact that you are not throwing the ball down the field at all other than the first play. I don’t mean you have to run fly patterns all day. But you need to show some intermediate routes and an occasional long ball so they have to defend the entire field, not a 15 yard swatch of it. You could see the Titan’s safeties cheating up all day from where I sat. And if you feel that your offensive line can not hold off the rush of the league’s worst defense long enough to throw those passes, you have much bigger issues.

  131. Brandie says:

    Plan is on FIRE!

  132. theplanisworking says:

    + Marion Motley.

  133. Jandy says:

    I actually look for that to happen, Hipposter. Cherries for everyone!

  134. Ashevillejeff says:

    I do live in asheville, nc now. But we enjoyed our time in Coalport even if the town isn’t much

  135. Jandy says:

    And no one would be happier than Big Ben.

  136. theplanisworking says:

    Morning, Brandfimal.
    Hope the day is treating you better than the Stillerz treated things yesterday. :)

  137. Brandie says:

    I’m pretty sure David DeCastro would be responsible somehow if one of the Pens were to go down.

  138. Bizrow says:

    + + +

  139. theplanisworking says:

    Morning, Shelby!


  140. Jandy says:

    Hi Jeff, I actually wasn’t trying to be mean. There’s a lot to be said for small town living. I grew up in Gallitzin, and it’s small town, and also I see it dying year after year.
    The nicest building in Coalport that we passed was the Moose. There was a small restaurant that looked decent too, but I forget the name of it.Like I said, wasn’t being mean.
    So, do you still root for Pittsburgh teams even though you’re in NC?

  141. Jandy says:

    biz, do we have Ashville NC on the list? Jeff is living there now :)

    Ashevillejeff says:

    September 9, 2013 at 9:26 am

    I do live in asheville, nc now. But we enjoyed our time in Coalport even if the town isn’t much

  142. DJ says:

    See paragraphs two and three of my post.

    No Plan B (adjustments) once the injury occurred and not calling a time-out which resulted in no touchdown. Ballgame right there.

  143. And you, Jandecita.

    I wanted to ask if Shelby was the only one topless Sunday, but I figure your Hubby kept his shirt on, right?


    Besides, that would be unbecoming for a minister to ask.

  144. Jandy says:

    OMG Biz, those are hilarious! Thanks! You brightened my Monday. :)

  145. Jandy says:

    Yeah, hubby was a good boy and kept his shirt on ;)

  146. Jandy says:

    Good Morning RAD LAD!!!!!!

    I’m so glad I didn’t stick around and watch that debacle…was a nice ride in Shelby :)

  147. theplanisworking says:

    So what you are telling me is that the defense, special teams and injuries only resulted in 25% of the loss yesterday???

    Come on. You’re reaching.

  148. theplanisworking says:

    It would also be unbecoming for a minister to know. ;)

  149. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ve said this before. You can trace the Steelers fall off in the draft to the retirement of what has turned out to be their most important personnel man. Bill Cowher.

  150. theplanisworking says:

    If this O-Line doesnt get it together soon, BNen will miss 10 games with injuries.

    Out for a bit, see youz later.

  151. Iceman says:

    Had a chance this weekend to go down to Highmark Stadium this weekend to check out a Point Park soccer game. The stadium really was a sight to see and the view from the bleachers is awesome. Also nice to see Point Park win 8-2 as well.

    After the game, we walked down to Station Square to get dinner. Right behind us we heard some young men saying, “Hey Nate! Can we get your autograph?” As I walked away, I looked to see who was behind us and sure enough, it was Nate Washington. He happily signed autographs for all the guys there and then walked into Texas de Brazil for dinner. Seemed like a class act by the way he handled himself and how willing he was to take care of some Titans fans who were there in Pittsburgh.

  152. Jandy says:

    So, can we hire him?

  153. theplanisworking says:

    Maybe a Cowher for Colbert switch?

  154. Brandie says:

    Ah Hipposter! Our Pittsburgh teams have been working on the Fail Road as of late.

  155. Jandy says:

    COOL! thanks for sharing. Sounds like you enjoyed yourself.

  156. Jandy says:

    Could we be that lucky? ;X

  157. Jandy says:

    Enjoy the day, Hipposter :*

  158. Jandy says:

    Ha! Good one Brandie!

  159. Bizrow says:

    I’ll check tonight when I get home, Jandy, thanks for keeping tabs on that stuff

  160. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yes, I’ve been thinking that for a long time, too, but even more as of late.

    Colbert and Cowher were a much better drafting team than Colbert and Tomlin.

  161. Brandie says:

    Sound like an awesome experience.

  162. Milo Hamilton says:

    Cowher AND Colbert worked. Tomlin and Colbert hasn’t. Maybe it’s just a coincidence, but I don’t think so.

  163. Drew71 says:

    I disagree. I think it’s 47.723%

    What are we talking about anyway?

  164. Jandy says:

    We aim to please, Biz :)

  165. Arriba Wilver says:

    Was that a “shot?”

  166. Lad9 says:

    DK I think your column was right on as to the big problems. The only issue I found with the column is that the Trib did not give you enough space to expound on ALL of the problems this Steeler team has. Undoubtedly would have crashed the server. Still you got the big one. After the OC issue, I see:

    Glaring lack of talent on the lines, running back, WR, and TE.
    Complete lack of quality depth. Stunning how bad it is.
    Inexplicable coaching decisions. Why did Jones play so little? Why did Wheaton not play on offense at all? (You had Paulsen!! in there as a receiver late. Come on!). Why did so many passes go sideways.
    Offense completely unsuited for your franchise QB’s talent. Oh, and the BS about Ben and Haley getting along was just that – BS. They are oil and water.

    It is way too early to punt away this season, but Mr Colbert and Mr Tomlin need to roll up their sleeves. The players we have are not good enough to meet the standard. I know the economics of the salary cap and the structure of football make in-season makeovers extremely difficult, but it is time for those two to look in the mirror and find a way. Earn your money and do your job under adversity, get creative, and stop prattling on about six Lombardi’s in the lobby. Your tradition will get you nothing with this group. Coach em up or move em out!

  167. Jandy says:

    Ahhhh so the bulls-eye is on another suspect!

  168. Jandy says:


  169. Jandy says:

    very well stated, Mr. Rad Lad!

    Happy fackin Monday to ya :)

  170. Lad9 says:

    Good morning Jandy! I would have liked the Shelby better than watching that debacle in person. I guess we are experiencing the life of a sports fan outside of Cleveland. You get some wonderful highs and some sobering lows. Course in Cleveland they are very stable – they only get the lows! :)

  171. Jandy says:

    if it’s Cap’n Morgan’s, count me in!!!!!!!!

  172. Dom says:

    Tomlin’s first draft was worth an A in my opinion.

    He got Timmons, Woodley, and William Gay.

  173. Jandy says:


    A fine morning for Shelby!

  174. Drew71 says:

    Personally, I hope Tomlin does get in a twitter war.

    Then maybe he can tweet at somebody:

    in the very tweet you presumably read…

    Please oh please oh please

  175. Brandie says:

    This team is struggling to look up at suck.

  176. Jandy says:

    I’ll take Pittsburgh sports over Cleveland any century for sure…

    we ARE spoiled in DaBurgh…

  177. Arriba Wilver says:

    You were at the game, yesterday, weren’t you, Lad? My condolences.

  178. 21sthebest says:

    It’s a blog about nothing.

    Hey! I have an idea for a TV show!

  179. Jandy says:

    if the post counts here are any indication, it will break the records for viewership!!!!

  180. DJ says:

    The non-touchdown was 7 points off the board.

    As to the Pouncey injury, again, I am already accounting for it. Plan “A” Was Not Working (you of all posters) and it couldn’t because of the injury to Pouncey. So where was Plan “B”? Where were the adjustments the balance of the first half? After halftime? That’s Haley’s job, right?

  181. Milo Hamilton says:

    And another thing. Art Rooney running Bruce Arians out of town on a rail looks like a really stupid decision right about now. Let’s make our $100 million franchise quarterback unhappy on purpose. Now that’s good business.

  182. Brandie says:

    Or turn it into a podcast.

  183. Arriba Wilver says:

    And the ones since? I don’t know, Dom, but I would guess that the players who are drafted had been followed for awhile. So my suspicion is that there was some Cowher leftover input on that first draft, just in case they did re-sign him. But I don’t know. IF that was the last good one, though, that would tend to lend some support to that theory.

  184. Arriba Wilver says:


  185. Milo Hamilton says:

    And most if not all of the work was already done by the time he got there.

  186. Arriba Wilver says:


  187. Lad9 says:

    Good morning Crue!

  188. Dom says:

    The 2008 draft really did stink but 2009 was good and 2010 was average if not good as well.

    In 2009 We got Ziggy Hood, Mike Wallace, Keenan Lewis, and David Johnson in the 7th. We also signed Ramon Foster as an undrafted free agent.

    In 2010 get drafted Antonio Brown, Pouncey, and Sanders.

  189. Dom says:

    e 2008 draft really did stink but 2009 was good and 2010 was average if not good as well.

    In 2009 We got Ziggy Hood, Mike Wallace, Keenan Lewis, and David Johnson in the 7th. We also signed Ramon Foster as an undrafted free agent.

    In 2010 get drafted Antonio Brown, Pouncey, and Sanders.

  190. SteelAg70 says:

    I had that same injury to the bicep as Foote has. He must have popped the tendon at the elbow. The same injury that Aaron Smith had late in his career.

  191. Lad9 says:

    I was there AW. And I meant to list the positives I took out of yesterdays viewing..

    Lets see there was,th.., no not that, but then there was…Nah, he sucked too, oh yeah I remember. I did find that the 16 oz can of Yuengling is cheaper by $1.25 than the “premium” draft sold in the second level of the North end zone. I just have to walk some to get it.

    That’ all I got. I can’t remember walking out of a Steeler game with such a bad feeling and having it persist into the next day this strongly. Maybe the loss against the Texans when Tommy Maddox imploded, but I don’t think so. I am by nature a very positive person, but I can’t do it today. Just won’t happen. And I do NOT like the feeling.

  192. theplanisworking says:

    Yes, its Haley’s job.
    Its Tomlin’s also.

    Did you ever consider that Pouncey’s injury would allow a Plan B, because the drop-off in talent was so great? LaRod’s injury also has something to do with it. How about Redman’s 2 fumbles?

    Breakdown of yesterday’s loss, by % —–

    Defense —25%
    Injuries —- 25%
    Lack of good return game (ST) — 10%
    Offense —- 40%

    Haley strunk out the joint, but he was by no means the only thing that went wrong. He could have had Plans A, B, C, D, and E…………… the quality of the players, and the injuries werent going to win the game.

  193. Brandie says:

    Hey yourself Rad Laddie-O!

  194. Dom says:

    I disagree with that assessment. When he took over, we were an 8-8 team.

    I understand if you feel we underplayed our ability that year but Tomlin did win a superbowl the next year. Regardless of how good a team is, only one team can with it all in any given year.

  195. Milo Hamilton says:

    2009 was good ? That should be the core of your team. There are 2 guys left.

  196. Milo Hamilton says:

    I haven’t said anything about Mike Tomlin’s ability to coach football.

  197. Brandie says:

    Jarvis Jones was my takeaway. If he does not play more, that is a huge mistake.

  198. Lad9 says:

    +7. I think that the hubris of the Steelers management team is going to be their downfall, at least in the short-term. It shows in a lot of ways, and it is trickling down to the field level. This is not Dan Rooney in charge and maybe not even a reasonable facsimile. Worries me.

  199. theplanisworking says:

    You forgot to take out Pee-Ay………. 3.14155296 something….

    Also, you didnt account for the Poodles reality TV show, and lots o’ bacon.

    What were we talking about again??

    Thats right, your wife. Apologies.

  200. 21sthebest says:

    Sounded like there was some booing of the home team. Like when they were leaving the field at halftime.

  201. Jandy says:

    Oh My The Planster is definitely on a roll!

  202. 21sthebest says:

    And they tried to disguise it as a retirement.

  203. Milo Hamilton says:

    And those are a 1st round defensive end who they may let walk after his rookie deal expires & a 3rd string tight end. That’s not good.

  204. Dom says:

    Valid point but I was referring to the quality of the draft.

    Lewis might be the bigger loss of the two if Allen can’t stay healthy but then again our receiving core really stinks…

  205. Arriba Wilver says:


  206. theplanisworking says:

    Laddy, the Steelers have taken something from the Pirates.

    They have Embraced the Suck. ;)

  207. pattonbb says:

    That was just horrible. What a dumb thing to try and pull off. This organization seems to get a little more dysfunctional each year.

  208. Jandy says:

    Newbies and lurkers, we want to chat with you. if you post your hometown, Bizrow will add it to the list of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum.
    Don’t be shy, we don’t bite! :)

  209. Dom says:

    Hood is below average IMO but not flat out bad. He should be better no doubt. Johnson was good value in the 7th round.

    All in all I might give that draft a “B+” considering we have three solid starters in that group.

  210. theplanisworking says:

    Dont forget all the position coaches that have left also.

    Something isnt right in Denmark…………..

  211. Arriba Wilver says:

    We were an 8-8 team that won the Superbowl the year prior to that.
    Hardly an insignificant fact.

  212. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah, he “retired” into the NFL Coach of the Year Award taking over a very difficult situation & then parlayed that “retirement” into a full time head coaching gig. How embarrassing.

  213. Dom says:

    Sorry. I thought that was what you were getting at.

  214. Arriba Wilver says:


  215. theplanisworking says:

    Man, I am still miffed about the eggs laid by the teams yesterday.
    Its like they didnt care.
    Putrid effort == putrid results.

    But, thats baseball and football, right?

  216. SteelAg70 says:


    I have been thinking about that. You would think that this franchise would do all it could to make Ben happy and provide him with the best possible players on offense to take advantage of his talent.

    I’m beginning to wonder if Art Rooney is doing all he can to cause Ben to want to just play out his contract and ask to go somewhere else. If I were Ben, I know I would be thinking about that if things don’t change.

  217. Jandy says:

    Honestly, Hipposter, I don’t see the Steelers amounting to much this season, and maybe not too much next season, either.
    I *DO* expect the Bucs to turn things around a bit…hopefully starting this series with the Rangers.

  218. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m not as down on Hood as others & Foster is functional at best. That’s about it.

  219. theplanisworking says:

    I also think that Colbert and Tomlin have rolled up their sleeves……… that is the problem. If you cant draft, and cant coach them up, you are going to fail. All the cute sayings in the world wont help you.

  220. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m tracing their potential downfall to Tomlin replacing Cowher in the draft room. Not on the sidelines.

  221. SteelAg70 says:

    It was great to see The Deisel Man step up yesterday and speak his mind…I’m sure he will have A LOT more to say this week to his teammates AND to the coaching staff. He as livid yesterday. He has always been one of my all-time favorite players…FEAR DA BEARD!!

  222. Iceman says:

    I agree with most of what you say here Lad, but I do have to disagree on two things.

    First of all, I think the receiving core looks decent. If Ben was given enough time to actually allow them to run their routes, it would’ve been a different game. Also, when you have ZERO running game, it makes defending the pass a heck of a lot easier. I’m not saying they need a good running game, they just need some semblance of a running game.

    Second, IIRC, Paulsen was only in as a receiver because they were running the no-huddle offense and he was in as either FB or TE on the previous play. If you are running no-huddle, you go with the players on the field.

  223. theplanisworking says:

    You are going to have to say many Hail jandy’s for lying like that.

    How about this:

    Newbies and lurkers, we want to chat with you. if you post your hometown, Bizrow will add it to the list of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum.
    Don’t be shy, we bite, but have had our shots. ;)

  224. theplanisworking says:


    But can he be a RB ??

  225. Naterosboro says:

    I didn’t think it was possible to have an offense worse than Bruce Arians’.

    I was wrong.

  226. Kevin says:

    Pittsburghers, the Epicollapse #III is upon us! Thank God for football to distract us once again! Waitaminnit, the steelers suck too?! Thank God hockey season is just around the corner!

  227. Kevin says:

    bah forgot my ;)

  228. Jandy says:

    LOL Hipposter….what in the world have you imbibed today? You are a runaway train on a roll LOL!

  229. Jandy says:

    if the horrific trend extends to the Pens, I’m going to scream! lol

  230. theplanisworking says:

    Like I said, the grumpy old man in me is out today.

    If I had a cane, I would be whoopin some ass!!!

  231. Tim says:

    You really need to get into coaching. You have all the answers. If Dwyer was there it would have made all the difference. We know he’s the second coming of Gale Sayers. And Jones being in for more plays would’ve made the difference because when he broke through all those bodies to make that tackle in the backfield, you just know you were seeing the second coming of LT. Thats Lawrence Taylor. Agreed with Haley. But how much of that is watching, again, this dreadful offensive line? It begins and ends with OFFENSIVE line. You can have all the great skill players you want, Dwyer aside, for he is the ANSWER to all the Steelers problems, but you can’t do much if they are being hit almost as soon as the ball is snapped. Except Dwyer.

  232. Arriba Wilver says:

    Seems like they tried to adopt Pitt’s failed strategy with Wanny. Try and dress it up.

  233. theplanisworking says:

    Bowser would lose his mind!

  234. SteelAg70 says:

    For those of you who complained about the offense of Bruce Arians..well…be careful what youwish for. ;)

  235. The Justice Avenger says:

    I lived in Cleveland for 3 years…this is VERY true what you are saying, Jandy.

  236. Milo Hamilton says:

    Buccos have lost 17 of 28 since August 8th. Last year, they lost 19 of 28 during the same period. 2 games better than Epic Collapse II. The front office will cite their improvement.

  237. CWalton_67 says:

    The blame belongs squarely on the Rooney’s. They hired the head coach based on political considerations. It’s taken several years, but the talent that masked incompetence is either no longer here or diluted by age.

  238. Milo Hamilton says:

    Does Lane Kiffin blackmail people to get these jobs ?

  239. Dom says:

    Well, again that’s all what’s left from that draft. If you want to blame the FO for letting go of Wallace and Lewis then that’s one thing but the draft from that year was indeed productive. I think both men should have been given more than a 4 year contract.

  240. theplanisworking says:

    Strange thing is, this year you cant lay any blame on the FO.
    neal did his job, and acquired players.

    This is on Hurdle and the players. And, yes, I know we arent allowed to criticize Hurdle for anything. He has had one winning season, and one winning September. 2007, when Colorado won 22 of 23.

    It doesnt look like that will happen this year.
    Would be nice to m ake it through one year when a collapse didnt occur.
    Oh well, that’s baseball.

  241. Arriba Wilver says:

    At least they started from a higher point (luckily), but them numbers don’t lie.

  242. Nate83 says:

    The guy seems to have 9 lives even thought his first 5 or 6 lives have went badly for himself and his employer.

  243. Drew71 says:

    I’m wishing for an Imperial Pumking Ale by Southern Tier.

    And By G_d, I am going to get one.

  244. Arriba Wilver says:

    To cut to the chase, are you saying they hired Tomlin because of his race?

  245. Arriba Wilver says:

    I didn’t see the game yesterday, except the very end, and heard a little on the radio. I did see enough to hear the announcers say that Bud Adams spent about 100 mil in the off-season to upgrade them and expected results. I have absolutely no idea, and am not trying to make excuses for what seemed to be a poor Steeler performance, but is it also possible that the 100 mil might have helped the Titans?

  246. Milo Hamilton says:

    I didn’t put it on the front office last year either. When, as a player, you prove for 4 and a half months you’re good enough. And then inexplicably, this happens again and again, the answer lies in each players’ mirror.

    There’s still time to pull themselves out of this & make it a truly great season. But what in these particular players’ history gives you any indication that will happen ?

  247. SteelAg70 says:

    You would also think that Jarvis Jones would be playing more than just a few reps yesterday…and now should be considered at ILB too…you need your playmakers on the field. It CAN be done. I watched the Cowboys force 6 turnovers last night after instaling a totally new defensive system in the offseason because they were not forcing turnovers…IT CAN BE DONE.

  248. NMR says:

    Let’s all play the arbitrary end points game!

  249. NMR says:

    yes, yes, yes.

  250. SteelAg70 says:

    Well…they did address their biggest need…the offensive line. Hmmmm…what a shock…

  251. NMR says:

    Thank you, AW.

  252. Milo Hamilton says:

    If they win one game, on October 1st, this will all be pretty much forgotten. But that’s gonna be a lot of pressure, isn’t it ?

  253. Nate83 says:

    Yes those numbers are scary and don’t lie. I believe right about now is when the wheels completely fell off last year.

    I can’t imagine that will happen again. There seems to be enough talent on the team to win series at home against the likes of San Diego and Chicago. Then again what do I know . I didn’t think they would collapse last year even after they lost 19 of 28.

  254. Ashevillejeff says:

    Jandy, I didn’t think you were being mean. I know Coalport is a dying town. It has been since the coal industry died. What we enjoyed about living there was the people, not the town per se. Please know there was not offense on my part.

  255. Milo Hamilton says:

    Not exactly arbitrary when it’s exactly the same day that they last reached that season’s particular high water mark. Probably a coincidence, but hardly arbitrary.

  256. hap2009 says:

    Just wanted to remind everyone, “the gloves are off but the shoes are still on”

    Wrestling’s back!

  257. Milo Hamilton says:

    My response is really good, but it’s in moderation, so I guess you’ll have to wait. :)

  258. Arriba Wilver says:

    For 100 mil?

    I’m just asking.

  259. Ashevillejeff says:

    Jandy, I am a huge fan of Pitt teams. I grew up in Pittsburgh and my parents still live there. I daily read the blog, just never comment. Love all the interaction you’all have.

  260. theplanisworking says:

    I dont know, but I have never put stock in those types of numbers.

    For example, the Titans may have signed only 2 players, for 7 years each at $7MM a season…………… there is your $100MM.

    Or, they could have signed 8 guys, for 4 years each, for $3MM each.
    Also, those contracts arent guaranteed. Of course, Tennessee didnt have cap problems either.

  261. Dom says:

    After the Steeler performance yesterday, was anyone else curious to see what guys are listed atop the 2014 mock drafts or am I the only one?

    I guess we could be looking at WR, ILB, and DE. In the mock I saw, Marquise Lee from USC is listed as the top WR. Jadeveon Clowney is the top DE and listed as going #3 overall. C.J. Mosley from Alabama is the best ILB but falls to the second half of the draft.

  262. NMR says:

    FWIW, I’m already admitting to myself that my comment was out of fear that your arbitrary end point will eventually extend to game #162. :)

  263. John Lease says:

    I thought that was Art Jr. Art’s been dead, and Art II got run out by his brother Dan.

  264. theplanisworking says:

    I cant remember the details 6 years ago……….. I cant remember lunch yesterday…

    I can remember that Grimm was “guaranteed” to get the job, I think a news conference was scheduled, then cancelled…………… 2 days later Tomlin was officially hired. There have been some rumors that the Steelers were “encouraged” to hire Tomlin, but I never saw anything official. I dont think the Rooneys hired Tomlin because of his race, but because the “rumors” never went away, that is one reason why the story had legs.

  265. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    As mentioned….Joe Walton’s offense was very complex, but it sure didn’t fool the other defense.

  266. Nate83 says:

    They hired Tomlin because he had an extremely impressive interview. Maybe his style has worn thin with some of the players and that is the issue but more likely it has more to do with an aging defense that has had very few young defensive guys step up and play like high draft pick should be expected.

    They also are not very talented on offense. With the exception of 1 year of Mendanhall they have not had a top 15 back in the league that can hide the fact that the line is average at best. An elite back would at least keep defenses honest and allow Ben more time to find targets.

    I don’t think this team is much different then Green Bay. Green Bay’s line is horrible and they have poor running backs. They embrace it and deal with. There is no trying to establish the run. They have Rogers run for his life and make plays. That is what the Steelers are right now. They need to stop fighting it. Spread them out and take your chances. The defense has proven they are bend but not break. Who cares if the other team has to go 80 yards or 40 yards.

  267. Milo Hamilton says:

    Your preview is, they have to go 5-15 the rest of the way to equal their 16-34 finish from last year. The fact that it’s even a remote possibility is frightening.

  268. Milo Hamilton says:

    16-36 finish, sorry.

  269. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’ll admit I did!

  270. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree 100%, Plan. I honestly was just asking because I didn’t see much of the game but heard that at least 3 times about Bud Adams. Between the radio and what little I saw.

    I’m not suggesting at all that it excuses the Steelers performance. It just interested me to the extent that people think Tennessee is a bad team based on last year. There are teams every year that no one really expects to do anything, but do.

    You know, kind of like the Pirates this year. :-D

  271. Dom says:

    I agree. I’m thinking of producing “Free Jarvis” attire. If there are any wannabe investors, please let me know.

    However, I really don’t feel the defense played all that poorly yesterday. Considering how little time the offense kept the ball, the D had to be on the field way too much.

  272. Bizrow says:

    Parity is the name of the game in the NFL

    Its our turn in the barrel for a while

  273. Milo Hamilton says:

    I can see it now Dom. 1st play of training camp next summer at Latrobe. Clowney tackles Dwyer & they both simultaneously tap out. :)

  274. Whatever reason they hired him, he’s done a decent job at times and a pathetic one at other times. Winning a SB and losing one when either could have gone the other way means something.

    This year may tell the tale of his tenure, though. If they continue this spiral, they’ll have no choice but to can him.

    Even when they stuck with Cowher in that 7-9 season and through some lean years, there was always light at the end of the tunnel and reason for optimism, but this year, with all the injuries already and the lack of depth, will be telling unless some people plug in there quickly. Very quickly.

    Like DK said, the overall pathos of the division so far has them tied for first.

  275. theplanisworking says:

    Bud Adams is a weird bird.

    He chased Jeff Fisher out of Tennessee.
    He has meddled in personnel decisions also.

    I dont recall what he spent, or on who, but they seem improved over last year. I think they got some defensive Free Agents also.

    We got Landry Jones.
    Not quite the same, eh?

  276. Damon says:

    excellent post Nate…

  277. NMR says:

    Threw up a little in my mouth.

    I’m sorry, but no amount of “depth” issues can possibly explain that level of ineptitude last year.

    Is, was, and always has been about performance.

  278. Jandy says:

    he’s not the only one!!!!!

  279. Lad9 says:

    Yep. There was a lot more booing than that. Probably didn’t come across as loud on TV because there were over 4,000 no shows, and then the place started emptying in the third quarter. Even the guy with the Iron City beer can hard hat left early, and that is unprecedented.

    Also, I would say that about 60% of the regulars that I would see game in and game out in my vicinity sold or gave away their tickets. I actually ended up eating a seat because my wife didn’t want to go and I could not give it away. That has never happened before. That helped the ratings though I guess… :)

  280. Dom says:

    Thanks. That makes me feel better.

    I meant to say that C.J. Mosley fell to the 2nd half of the first round in that mock draft.

  281. NMR says:

    If only the Pirates had a manger universally lauded for changing a culture of losing that could sprinkle his magic pixie dust on these guys…

  282. Thundercrack says:

    I don’t recall that they were ‘encouraged’ to hire Tomlin.

    I think Art didn’t handle the hiring well but I also Grimm and Mike Prisuta had big parts to play.

    And now I don’t remember why I went down this road again

  283. Dom says:

    Heaven help us if Dwyer is back at training camp next year.

  284. Thundercrack says:

    We were up against the cap. They weren’t

  285. Jandy says:

    Just curious, who would you play?

  286. Jandy says:

    Sounds delish!

  287. theplanisworking says:

    I have never questioned the hiring of Tomlin, either.
    I just get tired of the “cutisms”, instead of coaching the players up.

    This year may be telling, but the Rooneys dont change that often, so we will see. One thing is for certain, is the stunning lack of talent on this team. That falls on Colbert/Tomlin.

    By the way, Good Monday Morning to you. :)

  288. 21sthebest says:

    Dan is chairman, II is President, and Jr. is VP.

  289. theplanisworking says:

    From my original post…………………

    ” Of course, Tennessee didnt have cap problems either. “

  290. Jandy says:


    that’ll learn ya! ;)

  291. Thundercrack says:

    My expectations for this Steeler season are not high. But boy they looked really bad yesterday.

    I am not sure how much fault is the coaches

    But I think they have too many players that are not real good who are counted on to make big contributions. And they got old fast

  292. Milo Hamilton says:

    Or, I actually heard this one this weekend, “Why don’t they just listen ?”. Stubborn group I guess.

  293. theplanisworking says:

    That wasnt me talking, that was a rumor that was making the rounds back then………… that Rooney should hire Tomlin to honor the rule that was named for Rooney. I never bought into that, but others did.

    And, since those rumors werent killed, the story gained legs. But not with me.

  294. Kevin says:

    well go ahead and scream… the penguins had their own “collapse” in the playoffs earlier this year where two of the most prolific penguin point scorers were held pointless through 4 games.

    If trending is any good, the pirates are starting their collapse later and later each year. So next year, we can predict the middle of September be the start of Epicollapse #4.

    The steelers… well.. they’re the steelers. Atleast our expectations are low enough going into week #2.

  295. theplanisworking says:

    Ok, half of my comments are awaiting moderation, so I am out.

    This blog is performing like the sports teams yesterday.

    See you later, Shelby.

  296. Jandy says:

    But kevin, are you forgetting the Penguins have had terrific regular seasons? Of course you are :)

  297. Dom says:

    Isn’t one of the new rules in the CBA that one team can only sign a draftee for at most 4 years? Correct me if I’m wrong about that. I believe that came into effect at this year’s draft.

    If that is true though, then it really doesn’t seem fair to me when one team does their due diligence in selecting the right guy, just to see him walk away four years later. This rule was created for no other reason but to create massive parity. Really, what it’s doing is rewarding teams who can’t draft well.

  298. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I think the problem would be more based around young players not taking control of their opportunity, as opposed to the vets holding their own.

  299. Kevin says:

    <3 pumpkin beer! Looking forward to making my own home brew pumpkin ale next weekend. :)

  300. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was just asking what CW meant by saying “political considerations.” Seems a fair question regardless of what you think about rumors, etc., or whether it is true.

  301. Arriba Wilver says:

    But I don’t think he meant they hired him because he’s a Democrat.

  302. theplanisworking says:

    Well, being I said its on Hurdle and the players, I dont see anything in their history that indicates they will snap out of it. Thats why I asked in earlier posts, who is going to step up? It becomes obvious, no one will step up.

    We are in 100% agreement here.
    Scary, huh? ;)

  303. Arriba Wilver says:

    That should be under my 12:01 post below.

  304. Lad9 says:

    Iceman I actually think that outside of Sanders the receivers played OK and your point about the abysmal running game is valid and well taken.

    I would still hold to my viewpoint on not getting Wheaton into the game. They should have gone 4 wide at the beginning of the drive, and they also had a timeout at 2:02 and the two minute warning time out to make the change. I don’t remember any time where they went 4 wide at all, and I don’t think Wheaton saw the field on offense.

  305. Naje says:

    The Steelers have a multitude of problems, and yes, the O.C. is among them. But, they also have a $100M quarterback in his 10th season.

    And that qb still doesn’t have an identifiable system in which he looks comfortable throwing the ball UNLESS it’s the “Ben being Ben” approach or the no-huddle. In other words, it’s his way, or a begrudging attempt to do what’s asked.

    The “Ben being Ben” approach hasn’t worked since 2010… and maybe some in 2011. That is, until “Ben being Ben” got his ankle busted pretty badly on a stupid 12 second scramble against the Browns in the shadow of the Steelers endzone. Result: a very ineffective Ben for a few games, including that awful game at San Fran the following week.

    The offensive system was working very well in 2012 until Ben decided to be Ben against the lowly Chiefs and he ran around the pocket for seven or eight seconds before allowing himself to get crushed…result: three games on the sidelines and a rather ineffective Ben after that.

    It’s time for the $100M quarterback to play THE game, not HIS game. HIS game has gotten the team some wins, and even a Super Bowl in 2008 (the 2005 Super Bowl included a good, strong offensive system with a solid running game), but it’s also allowed this team to be defeated by a bevy of underwhelming quarterbacks and teams.

    Either let Ben be Ben and risk yet another injury, or demand better performance from him and getting rid of the ball quicker or throwing it away. Something’s gotta give. If he thinks Ben being Ben can win 10+ games a year, by all means, attempt that. But the guy hasn’t proven to be much of a leader of the offense… and offense that still lacks an identity unless it’s Ben being Ben.

    It’s almost like watching Alvarez at the plate… all or nothing. And when the nothing player shows up, the offense is pretty darn ineffective.

  306. You, also, and I agree with you especially about the talent.

    We (the Steelers) have become poor evaluators of it somewhere along the line.

  307. Naje says:

    Does that include Roethlisberger in the veterans area? Can make a lot of excuses for him, but he didn’t play well.

  308. Dom says:

    I agree. It isn’t the fault of guys like Redman or Sanders. Those guys simply are not starters.

  309. NMR says:

    Ah, that explains it.

  310. cmat0829 says:

    Was a very ugly Sunday for Steelers and Pirates fans, no doubt. I’m more of an optimist (how can you be a Pirate fan and not be …and um, don’t answer that please)… knew today in the blog was gonna be brutal…but drank another cup of coffee and came in anyway.

    1. Steelers. Hard to find any real positives in this one… my take for the positive? LOSING this game and not finding a way to claw out a 17-16 victory that will truly delay the moves that need to be made and the accountability that needs to come from the players to the coaches and then beyond. THIS team, this set of personnel, is better than that performance… are they MUCH better, NO, but they are better. This squad needs to dig deep and play better. And you know what? The only thing you know for sure in the NFL is that teams go back and forth a lot in a season… this week’s juggernaut is next week’s prime upset…. I think we’ll see a more spirited effort vs. Cincy next Monday night… will it bring a W? not predicting that but no doubt I’d take the points and the Steelers (for entertainment purposes only).

    2. Pirates… ugly. The players — no one else – need to step up now and stop this from falling apart. And it starts with a MUCH BETTER offensive approach up and down the lineup. Easy to call out Pedro and his Ks, but the entire squad this weekend was piss-poor at the plate. Time to dig deep and find it, gentlemen. Tonight vs.Darvish will be tough…they need to find a way to compete. And I think they will. But what do I know?

  311. SteelAg70 says:

    Sean Lee would sure look good in a Steelers uni right now….righ along side Timmons…

  312. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I think it’s quite obvious that no one played well.
    Does it make the current Pirate swoon easier for you?

  313. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    You’re talking about a guy that has already proven what he can do (two Super Bowl wins) when he has the right supporting cast.
    Currently….He does not.

  314. CeeHowUR says:

    My Steelers Review

    If Tomlin and Haley don’t go at the end of the year, LeBeau should retire. He doesn’t need to put up with this. The defense held their own as long as they could yesterday. Tomlin is no longer effective as HC. I’m tired of his game management mistakes (RE:last year) and his post game comments. And he doesn’t seem to be able to keep this team fired up throughout the game like Cowher was able to do. The Steelers intensity used to make up for lack of talent in the trenches, but it just doesn’t seem to be there anymore. I don’t think I need to say anything more about HAley that hasn’t already been said. And I was in favor of letting Arians go.

    It looks like Greg Williams no longer has to put bounties on opposing players. Either he offered it to the Steelers and DeCastro took it, or that was one of the dumbest moves I’ve seen in a football game.

    Glad to see they are bringing back Dwyer. It was boneheaded to let him go. If he’s effective I don’t care about his attitude. Why trade for Jones if you aren’t going to give him the ball? He must have mastered a few of the plays by now. I also wonder why they haven’t brought in Michael Turner for a tryout, unless his asking price is still too high.

    At this point I don’t know if Starks can help this line. A center may be a higher priority. I see them bringing back Malecki.

    Thank goodness for fantasy football to get me through this season.

  315. pattonbb says:

    I agree. Lee is a really nice player. Unfortunately, that Steeler brain trust decided Jason Worilds was a better pick and took him 3 slots ahead of Lee.

  316. Naje says:

    44 seconds to go in 2nd Q and THREE timeouts left…from own 20… and nothing approaching a semblance of urgency or excellence came from that offense.

  317. Naje says:

    81-61 and an impending playoff spot is a lot easier to deal with than a putrid 0-1 start to the season.

  318. Naje says:

    And the PBC have lost 4 in a row on several occasions this year… if it gets to 8 straight, then we can talk swoon.

  319. Scott says:

    I have no idea how they will finish, but it’s hard not to be nervous at this point. They should still make the playoffs, but Liriano and Burnett need to regain their ace form for the team to win any games once they get there.

    Of course you should root for them. Why would you root against them?

  320. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Thanks for admitting what you’re trying to do here.
    Strange and unusual behavior by a certain contingency of Pirate fans.

  321. Kevin says:

    since you did not watch the game… suffice it to say, they were able to run the ball and control the game clock whereas… our offense couldn’t give the ball away fast enough. The titans looked like the first couple years of Big Ben… when we weren’t relying on Ben to do anything spectacular since we had a running game at the time.

  322. Kevin says:

    the defense played well… they were just on the field for far too long.

  323. Naje says:

    No problem, DB… not sure if my behavior is strange or unusual re: Bucs, but I’m just trying to give it some perspective. Had them at 83 to 86 wins this year… anything above is a bonus. Still think several players have a ways to go with respect to playing a full season at a high level. Very glad that they reached a season high 26 games over .500 rather than just 16 (like last year), because they needed that cushion for these second half, just-hovering-around-mediocrity spells.

    But if it gets to 7 or 8 straight, then we’ve got some serious issues to deal with.

  324. Arriba Wilver says:

    I mentioned that last night. Yeah, I know draft picks (and prospects) are always risks, but that one stands out as a huge red flag on the draft brain trust. Not like we didn’t know enough about him.

  325. Kevin says:

    +1 for comparing Big Ben to Alvarez.

  326. SteelAg70 says:

    Sorry Naje…disagree completely with you. Let him play HIS game…let him have freedom to run the no-huddle offense for more than just when absolutely necessary. You put money into the best o-line possible and the best receivers possible…try drafting a bigger receiver and let him throw it downfield. I sure do remember the Green Bay game in 2009 when “Ben being Ben” threw for 500 yds and won a game…that’s what he can do when you let him do that.

  327. Naje says:

    And how’d they do in those 2009 playoffs?

  328. Kevin says:

    did not forget, it’s why I’m currently looking forward to hockey season! Looking forward to a full year with a healthy GENO and SID for the first time in… I don’t even remember the last time… 2008 maybe?

  329. NMR says:

    “Strange and unusual behavior by a certain contingency of Pirate fans.”

    Oh, the irony…

  330. Kevin says:

    Felix Jones? Did he even play a snap on Sunday? If so, I missed it :|

  331. JohninOshkosh says:

    Well, if North Korea has a Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen, then maybe the addition of Rodman will help.

    I can’t picture Kim Jong-Un without it being Bobby Moynihan’s SNL parody. Same with his dad-he will always be Amy Peohler to me.

  332. SteelAg70 says:

    Naje….I am also thinking about 2008 and 2010…let’s keep those years in mind too if you are going there. You people that hate Ben really amaze me…

  333. At least they’ll know how to box out.

  334. Jandy says:

    Yes, both of them healthy is a good starting point.

  335. Jandy says:

    I don’t think anyone hates Ben, they just recognize his short comings.

  336. tpbco says:

    Cowher’s teams, with no francise QB Salary could afford to not only have better players, but also depth. Won a lot of games, made the playoffs, but without the QB, couldn’t get over the hump.

    They were able to keep good teams together for Cowher’s SB win and early into Tomlin’s reign while BBR was under his rookie contract. When that expired and he got his $100 million, there went the ability to keep some players that they wanted and marginalized their depth. No diff than the ravens, packers, pats cowboys. All have holes as a result.

    That’s what was demoralizing about yesterday. When Pouncey went down, their depth was a backup tackle who already had to play TE, because Heath was down, after never having played the position (C) in a game before. They also then lost the Beacheum as the blocking TE. They had no chance at that point. None. Tunch pointed out on the radio after that, the OLine was a CF.

    Last year after nine games the Steelers where 9-3 and BBR was favored for MVP. Haley’s offense WAS working. BBR goes down, and then the other Oline injuries – season over, we just didn’t know it at the time.

    This year Todd “Dink and Dunk” Haley’s offense on the first play goes DEEP! Sanders drops the ball. In spite of that, they STILL moved smartly down the field until “Redzone Redman” fumbles. Yep, wouda, coulda, shouda called TO, that could have been called by Haley OR BBR…neither did. Game was over, we just didn’t know it then. The lack of plan B, C or D was because there wasn’t one. Haley deserves some of the blame, but no where near what he’s getting.

    Hindsight is wonderful….but do you plan on losing Pouncey in the first series? The only thing worse would have been to lose BBR and maybe not that much worse. Now Foote as well, why? not becuase of what’s left in his tank…but because he is the signal caller and there’s no depth for that, see above.

    To lose those two guys for the season in the first game, still gives them time to recover, but the probablities are not great because of who got injured and the ramifications of the salary cap and the decisions that had to be made as a result…which are absolutely ripe for second guessing by one and all.

    Closest thing I can think of is in the mid 70’s, don’t remember which year exactly, when Bradshaw and Hanratty both went down and Mike Krucek had to play for a month. Difference again tho, was the talent around them, afforded by no salary cap.

  337. Kevin says:

    who ever thought that we would be talking today about how Cowher was good at evaluating talent but wasn’t good at coaching it whereas Tomlin does not seem to do either well.

  338. Kevin says:

    Eddie Lacey – 1
    Le’Veon Bell – 0

  339. And dress like women.

    And be kicked out by Madonna.

    Now FT shooting, it might be a little shy.

  340. tpbco says:

    Starks is done, he couldn’t even make tackle hungry SD as a back up. If Malecki is the answer…I don’t want to know the question. He is the Felix Pie of offensive lineman.

  341. Kevin says:

    not that its fair… eddie lacey wasn’t exactly spectacular for the packers… despite the TD, going 41 yds over 14 carries with a fumble.

  342. 21sthebest says:

    They can probably shoot free throws pretty well already. They’re not from the United States.

  343. tpbco says:

    Do you mean he of 41 yards on 14 carries, 1 TD and 1 fumble?

    When does he get enshrined?

  344. Kevin says:

    would eddie lacey have better handled that bad Ben handoff that Ike fumbled into the endzone? hard to say.

  345. Kevin says:

    yeah.. I was just comparing the two players after 1 game in the NFL… and its not fair at all because Bell was on the sidelines.

  346. tpbco says:

    Jandy there is still a % of people who will never forgive BBR. They all must be saints…like you :o) and nothing he will ever do will change their minds.

  347. Jandy says:

    I’m no saint, honey, but *I* don’t like Big Ben myself. I think he’s a good quarterback, but as a human, he doesn’t meet the bill.
    My daughter had the bad luck to have to deal with him several times in her cell phone store. he was a total azz.

  348. tpbco says:

    I think he would have handled it as well as Bell might have.

  349. NMR says:

    Steelers missed the meme on PSU running backs being busts and linebackers being good. :)

  350. tpbco says:

    I watched enough of the packer’s game to see that Lacy does have some talent. I look forward to seeing Bell. Would also like to see Bell with Pouncey at center.

  351. Arriba Wilver says:

    Your wife is apparently a very smart person.


  352. tpbco says:

    If I remember right, in that draft, they had more need at OLB than ILB. Worlids was a BEAST at VT.

    No doubt lots of people would like a do over.

  353. CeeHowUR says:

    I’m not saying they are the best options, but the Steelers usually go with what’s familiar.

  354. tpbco says:

    No but you play one on this blog and quite well, too.

    No question, by all accounts he was an immature azz. Can’t say that he still is, but if so, I think we would have heard about it. Some people take longer to grow up and the more priviledged (money, fame) the longer it can take – if ever.

    Sorry your daughter had to learn one of life’s lessons the hard way.

  355. tpbco says:

    Unfortunately ur right…on both accounts.

  356. Jandy says:

    haha, trust me, my daughter is no pushover. She couldn’t make an ignorant remark (she’d lose her job) but she wasn’t very nice to him either ;)
    She’s a chip off the ol’ block 0=)

    Saint? me? Well, I guess I fooled you then lol.

  357. Arriba Wilver says:

    Really? You see any reasonable comparison? Really?

    No, REALLY?

  358. Lad9 says:

    Agreed. That is not a hindsight call. It was obvious on draft day, it is obvious now, and it will be obvious when Worlds is out of the league and Lee is a perennial pro bowler. Sigh….

  359. 21sthebest says:

    They both have cute wives.

  360. theplanisworking says:

    AW, I would like to apologize to you and Milo…………. in our conversations earlier, I think we were all on the same page, but re-reading them, I think we just went like ships passing in the night.

    Nothing Democrat, or Republican……. just wanted to throw that apology out there to both of you. ;)

  361. JohninOshkosh says:

    Maybe Texas can trade Mack Brown to Southern Cal for Lane Kiffin.

  362. Dom says:

    I just read that Foote is likely done for the season. I had no idea his injury is so severe. We really don’t have anyone behind him in the depth charts.

    It’s really hard to imagine a winning season after he and Pouncey are both most likely done for the year.

  363. Dom says:

    I just checked the depth chart and Vince Williams and Kion Wilson are listed as our only backup ILBs. Is Woodley going to move over? It’s hard to imagine that Wilson or Williams are going to make it through the season.

  364. JohninOshkosh says:

    So I’m a tennis fan. I love the US Open, but have two major problems with it.

    1. Why in God’s name is the men’s final played at 4:00 CT on a Monday. I know this is changing next year but why don’t they 1. Start the tournament a week earlier so the men’s and women’s finals arn’t conflicting with the television juggernaut that is the NFL, or 2. Have the women’s and men’s finals on Tuesday and Wednesday prime time to avoid the NFL altogether ? Seems like a no brainer and it might build interest in the sport.

    2. Serena Williams won again. Yawn. Crickets.

  365. JohninOshkosh says:

    Sorry, Grammarians. Never did learn the altogether vs. all together rule. I am not sure if I used that correctly.

  366. Kevin says:

    no, not really. I forgot my ;). I’m not sure how you can compare a footballer with any baseballer. Taking sacks is not equal to 3-pitch strikeouts. And committing errors is not at all like throwing interceptions. ;)

  367. Dom says:

    Maybe if there was more competition for the Serena and Venus, then that sport would have greatly increased in popularity. IMO, women’s tennis is far better than men’s tennis.

  368. Steve says:

    Even harder to believe may be the fact that the Steelers had no one AHEAD of Foote on the depth chart at this point in his career (which I suspect may have come to a sad end with that injury).

  369. Steve says:

    My wife and daughter were watching the final last night. I can’t watch women’s tennis with all the squealing. I thought they were supposed to stop that.

  370. Iceman says:

    If I understand correctly, Foote’s injury is basically the same thing that ended Aaron Smith’s career. Doesn’t look to good for his future.

  371. tpbco says:

    Not when you consider that Foote is the defensive signal caller, which is similar to Farrior’s last couple of years. That takes experience and they had to dump what little experience they had as backups do to the salary cap (and that they were not all that great) and go with rookies. Spence was to fill that role and may never get back on the field.

    And no, Woodley ain’t moving over. It may fall to Timmon’s, if anybody.

  372. I don’t know about Cowher so much, Kevin, but the entire Steeler brain trust has seemed to have taken a nap.

    I thought Arians should go, (be fired, not lied about) but Haley being brought in was strange and it is proving out to be strange.

    Many other strange things going on that are out-of-character for the Steelers.

  373. tpbco says:

    No, it doesn’t look good. Not that it’s a devasting injury, it’s just he’ll be another year older.

    It ended Aaron Smith career because of his age and something simiar happened for a couple years in a row.

    I hold my breath every time Troy goes down for the same reason. Old bodies break easier and take longer to fix.

  374. Iceman says:

    Just read a news article that has me going crazy and I had to share with someone. The headline for the article reads “Youth soccer league: No balls, scoring to halt ‘negative effects of competition'”

    The article can be found here:

    There are so many thing wrong with this that I don’t even know where to start and if you are thinking to yourself, “That headline can’t be what is actually happening. There must be more tot his story.” Sorry to tell you, no, there is a soccer league in Canada where they are “playing soccer” without any soccer balls (quotes are there because you can’t play soccer without balls).

  375. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Will the real Bruce Arians haters, please stand up?

    Seriously, how/why was Haley retained to begin with?

    Is the blame squarly on his shoulders, of course not. They all sucked. Decastro apparently is color blind. Redman can’t hang on to the ball and your $100 million QB isn’t happy. Hasn’t been since 2011. Somethings gotta give.

    Is it too early to fire a OC?

    Now, I understand the players have to be able to perform, but who are these players? The running game is terrible. Is it the blocking? The RBs themselves? I think its a combo.

    I really dont want to hear how the Steelers should’ve drafted Lacey over Bell. Though that may be true, I’m not willing to hang Bell out to dry yet because of an injury. Its football, people get injured. The problem is the players behind the injuries.

    Another question. How do you only have 2 backup OL available?

    All in all, what a crappy weekend for Pittsburgh sports. I think the Pirates decided to take the football season off as well.

    Where has the pitching gone?

  376. Dom says:

    Do you think we’ll start someone line Vince Williams, who was our 6th rounder in this years draft.

  377. tpbco says:

    Assuming Lee can stay on the field. Obvious talent, but he’s missed a lot of games due to injury so far.

  378. Iceman says:

    I have to apologize. Apparently this was reported from a satire radio broadcast from CBC and is in fact not a true story. My fault for not doing proper research for posting this here. The radio broadcast is apparently a satire show and they were weighing in on this article, which talks about soccer leagues to stop keeping score of games. This article is not quite as ridiculous, but I still think it is crazy to play a sport and not keep score.

    Sorry again…

  379. theplanisworking says:

    Things are going swimmingly for “poor” Mikey Wallace………..

  380. Kevin says:

    Yes, Serena won. Although it was kinda exciting seeing her choke away the 2nd set. I also found it interesting that they would announce how much money each player won as a result of the match. I think Serena made 3.6mil just from that 2 hours of work.

  381. Milo Hamilton says:

    Texas already fired their DC. Don’t even think they let him on the bus. I think he’s still trying to find his way out of Provo.

  382. Nate83 says:

    I just stood up. I was never a big Arians fan. It seems like he is doing a good job post Steelers employment so maybe I was wrong.

    I don’t dislike Haley as much as it seems most do. I don’t think he has anywhere near the pieces to work with as past OC’s for the Steelers. Rothlisburger was on pace for career numbers last year before the injury. This year the offense is in shambles. I don’t know if any offensive coordinator could get much out of this current group of offensive lineman and skill position players. It may get better when the O-line gels and they realize the young receivers need to play.

  383. Milo Hamilton says:

    Don’t apologize. First of all, that was awesome. Couldn’t have written it better myself. Secondly, you’re not the first to get caught on one of those (raising my hand) and you won’t be the last. :)

  384. Dom says:

    Could the other WR had as much success that he did b/c Wallace was double teamed?

  385. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    And Lacey’s team lost as well………

  386. Kevin says:

    its basically the same thing as playing soccer with no balls… might as well just stand around in a circle and sing KUM BA YA! Or stand around in a circle juggling a soccer ball as it were.

  387. tpbco says:

    I’ll stand up.

    Never liked Arians’ offense and in his last year I believe the Steeler’s ended up 21st in scoring. ‘Nuff said. Don’t care what he did in Indy or does in Arizona, he was at best mediocre here.

    Haley’s offense had the Steeler’s at 6-3 last year with BBR favored to win MVP, until he went down against KC. That ended the season…we just didn’t know it at the time.

    This year, the first drive looked good…until Pouncey went down (IN THE FIRST SERIES) and of course the Redman fumble. Moving an inexperienced 7th round draft pick TACKLE, who already had to play TE, due to Heath’s injury, to try to play center for the first time in a game, gave them no chance….none. He wasn’t remotely able to make the line blocking calls, even if he actually did block well physically (I don’t know if he did or not). Even Tunch noted on the radio broadcast that after Pouncey went out the O Line became a CF.

    The 2 O Lineman backups dressing was a calculated risk, due to other injuries, mostly at TE and special teams. The new O Lineman they signed of the street, who was reported to be a C/G, didn’t even have a locker yet, let alone a playbook to make a contribution.

    Incredible bad luck.

    Haley may or may not be the answer. Due to circumstances, there’s little to base an informed decision on. The latest injuries will make it even more complicated.

  388. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nobody liked BA because he didn’t use a FB (traditional) and his offense wasn’t the”Steelers way.”

    I admit, I had my questions about him as well, but he produced and made the QB happy. That’s kind of important.

    You’re right about other OC’s. Could they do anything with these guys? No idea.

  389. Karen22 says:

    Ummmmm…born & raised in Cleveland. Hated the Steelers – vehemently. Until I moved to Western PA. Then I understood.


    I’ll always have a soft spot in my aching heart for the Indians, though. Still waiting for that “Major League” moment (actually, they DID have it for a stretch there. Jose Mesa. GAAA!!).

  390. Jandy says:

    hey, it’s Rarin’ Karen :)

  391. Ghost says:

    I was/am a big fan of Bruce Arians. But your paragraph on behalf of Todd Haley is sound. Basically, everything is going to crap out unless the O-line can get up to snuff.

  392. tpbco says:

    Since Kion Wilson came in and played, he is probably the favorite, unless the game tape suggests Vinnie’s a better chance. Hard to think they would sign someone off the street, unfamilar with Lebeau’s D and play him the same week.

  393. Dom says:

    The only individual I could imagine them signing would be Stevenson Sylvester. I’m not saying that I want him, just think he is one of the few options available. But we could just as easily keep things as is, as Sylvester wasn’t even offered a contract on the practice squad.

  394. Nate83 says:

    Thanks for the link Dom. I admittingly know nothing about other teams centers around the league but getting a guy who started 16 games last year has to be considered fortunate.

  395. Kevin says:

    hindsight is 20/20… what we really need is one of those future predictor thingamajigs.

  396. JohninOshkosh says:

    When do Deb Placey and Kathryn Tappen return to my television ? I mean, when does the NHL preseason start ?

  397. Karen22 says:

    Not so “Rarin'” today.
    Grumpy…very grumpy.

    And reading all the moaning & groaning here is making me…GRUMPY.

    A win in Texas tonight might change that. But I’m not sure.

  398. tpbco says:

    I don’t know if he was practice squad eligible, I think the limit is 2 years and he was a 3rd year guy.

    Unless it was a cap issue, they will prob stay pat.

    Sure is a good thing they keep $4 mil available, otherwise……

  399. Dom says:

    Yeah, I bet this new guy will start right away. Beachum will remain as backup for all positions and TE.

  400. Ghost says:

    “And reading all the moaning & groaning here is making me…GRUMPY.”

    I’ll second that, Karen. And one clown took a gratuitous swipe at Jandy. Jandy handled it with aplomb, though. Way to go, Jandaroo!

  401. Dom says:

    Oh, you’re right about that. He was still wasn’t offered any contract at all.

    We have two or three options and none of them are any goody.

    Would he still be available to obtain the $4 million after we released him?

  402. SteelAg70 says:

    Velasco is a good get considering the circumstances….I can’t see Beachum starting at C next week, but if Velasco can’t pick up enough of the playbook it my be Cody Wallace….

  403. Dom says:

    The first game is on Saturday but the Pens don’t start till Sunday at 6PM.

  404. Ghost says:

    You have a false memory. The Steelers played like crap in Cowher’s last year. They returned to the playoffs in Tomlin’s rookie season and then performed remarkably well as *a team* to win the whole thing in Tomlin’s second year. The Steeler’s issue is lack of talent. Your issue is with Tomlin, and yourself.

  405. SteelAg70 says:

    Foote is the only one that needs to be replaced now…Bart Scott anyone??

  406. Brandie says:

    Did you all hear about Mike Wallace? He had to be escorted from the field yesterday due yo having a tantrum about not having enough balls thrown his way! Just made my day! The Steelers did the right thing by lancing that pustule from the collective Steelers a$$!

  407. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks, Dom.

  408. MadTurk says:

    I think you all forgot about Carter?

  409. Karen22 says:

    A coconut might have worked better than a plum! ;)

  410. Karen22 says:

    Um – that “coconut” was in response to Ghost, but he has no “reply” link. Maybe because he isn’t really there?

  411. tpbco says:

    Pretty sure he is an OLB, exclusively.

  412. tpbco says:

    Just read the Pro Football Focus (FWIW) rated Velasco as the 11th best center last year. One place above Pouncey????

    Wallace doestn’t have much of an advantage to the playbook…maybe 1 or two days. He was signed late in the week, last week.

    I’m guessing Velasco gets a cram session and starts since it’s MNF.

    They are certainly due for a little luck at this point…maybe he can be Jeff Hartings, part2?

  413. tpbco says:

    I would be surprised, if anybody from the ‘burgh would be surprised.

  414. tpbco says:

    That might be interesting. Don’t remember if he is ILB, or OLB. Not many OLB can move inside.

  415. tpbco says:

    The $4 million I mentioned was the space the Steelers had left under the cap, as a team, for the final roster.

    These lastest signings, including Shayne Graham as a replacement kicker, likely ate it up.

  416. Karen22 says:

    Lineup is up…I guess Barmes has been reannointed. Gotta have a pitcher in the order, even WITH a DH. Geeeeez.

  417. JohninOshkosh says:

    Lots of empty seats at Arthur Ashe in Flushing. That’s Monday afternoon for you.

  418. tpbco says:

    Per CBSSports, Bart Scott is/was an ILB.

    Wonder how much he has left in the tank?

  419. JohninOshkosh says:

    Djokovic looks tired and terrible.

    Loses first set in 42 minutes.

  420. pattonbb says:

    “Beast” might be a little bit of an exaggeration. He was a good pass rushing DE on a mediocre team. The Steelers thought they could turn him into an OLB. They were wrong.

  421. pattonbb says:

    Very valid point. Lee has certainly missed a lot of time.

  422. Arriba Wilver says:

    You aren’t suggesting Lee was a worse choice then Woriild’s, are you?

  423. WVStarship says:

    In all fairness to the topic it should be pointed out that the Pirates’ so-called magic number with the Cardinals is higher than the number of games left to play, meaning that they could go 20-0 the remainder of the season and still finish behind the Cards. The division title is no longer in their hands to control.

  424. Arriba Wilver says:

    That number has been behind for a long time. In fairness.

  425. pattonbb says:

    No. Not at all. Even with Lee’s injuries, he’s still worth every penny. Just agreeing that he has a tendency to miss a lot of games.

    Jason Worilds=BUST

    He had one monster year playing against a bunch of bad ACC teams.

  426. WVStarship says:

    Making the playoffs in the NHL=meh!

    WINNING in the Stanley Cup playoffs is what it’s all about, and with all the talent the Pens bring to the table the expectations should be very high.

  427. WVStarship says:

    Yes is my favorite band but I found their live performance somewhat lacking. I strongly prefer Rush on the stage.

  428. Arriba Wilver says:


  429. WVStarship says:

    I think the “no bullets” comment summed it up nicely.

  430. JohninOshkosh says:

    The sneaky Serb wins set 2 and is now controlling the match. Just unbelievable-he looked cooked in the first set.

  431. JohninOshkosh says:

    Freakin’ match for the ages going on up in Flushing.

  432. pattonbb says:

    Which one lasts longer; the US Open or football season?

  433. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I had them at 89 wins.
    I welcome all three Pittsburgh teams to do well.

  434. ix4kid says:

    Dejan…all I have to say about Haley is judge him once the OL performs. No OC can have success with OL play like this, no one. A greater issue is Tomlin’s inability to make tactical decisions. Case in point…no timeout from the 6 with mass confusion, not challenging Walker’s completion when he didn’t complete the catch on Troy’s hit and declining a 15 yard chop block penalty to push Tennessee further back when trying to gain field position was a must. So when he talks about situational football every Tuesday at noon he certainly doesn’t improve in that area.

  435. JohninOshkosh says:

    And It’s over in NYC. Nadal beats the Serb, Djokovic, in 4 sets at a time of 3:20.

    Djokovic lost the crucial third set in an unbelievable display of tennis by the two gentlemen.

  436. Jason81 says:

    A lot of Steelers fans would tell you the season is already over.

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