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Final: Cubs 5, Pirates 4

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (85-61) vs. Chicago Cubs (62-84)

Starters: RHP Charlie Morton vs. RHP Jake Arrieta

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Justin Morneau, 1B
  5. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  6. Russell Martin, C
  7. Garrett Jones,RF
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Morton, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Travis Sawchik and Karen Price are on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total INNINGS PITCHED by Charlie Morton in tonight’s game
    Line is 6.25

    Line #2
    Total WINS POSTED by Pirates STARTING PITCHERS in the 3 remaining games against the Cubs this weekend
    Line is 1.5

    Line #3
    Total WINS by the Pirates in the 3 remaining games against the Cubs this weekend
    Line is 2.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Wild Card Magic Number: 9

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23


  2. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    No Marlon Byrd??!!??
    Garret Jones??!!??

    Lunatics, I await your turpitude and outrage….

  3. Bizrow says:

    100 on the over for all three lines

    Thanks Playoffs

    Beat Em Bucs

    Go like 60

  4. Bizrow says:

    ICIT, well I have no choice ;-)

  5. You beat me to it, Playoffs.

    For the benefit of War Horse of England:

    What is wrong with Clint, resting Byrd when we’re tied for first?

    And, after that double in the 8th last night, where is Mercer?


    Carry on. Nothing to see here.

  6. Coulie says:

    I think Clint is just happy to be able to have the lineup (1-8) bat R-L-R-L, etc…

  7. NMR says:


    Honestly though, no problem at all with this lineup.

    Charlie gets his best catcher and infield defense.

  8. Damon says:

    I’ve never tried this, but always been curious…

    Line #1 – 100 on the under
    Line #2 – 100 on the over
    Line #3 – 100 on the under


  9. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Welcome and GOOD LUCK!!

  10. Nate83 says:

    At the risk of sounding pessimistic you don’t know what you are talking about. You are not as wise as you think you are. Except for the fact that you are very wise from what I know about you.

  11. Karen22 says:

    Anybody see this today?! We’re the MOST lovable (or least hated…perspective is everything)! Till next year! Whoop!

  12. Karen22 says:

    Going for broke (literally)!

    100 each on the OVER!

  13. You know the Bible says be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove.

    I win the smart aleck award for the day.

  14. Chuck H says:

    Why is it when there are runners on 2nd and 3rd and less than 2 outs and a ball is hit
    to an infielder, why do the runners feel that they have to run, causing a sure out at home?
    Then what we have is runners on 1st and 2nd. No longer have a runner on 3rd to score
    in case of a passed ball or wild pitch. Just wondering.

  15. Nate83 says:

    Yes, I don’t know if it is on purpose or just luck but Clint does have some different bells and whistles to work with now. Left/Right, contact/power, Speed/defense. No matter who he starts there is something on the bench that can allow him to match up with the opposition depending on the situation. The two trades really stretched the line up as well as bolstered the bench.

  16. Nate83 says:

    I don’t know. Doves symbolize love and marriage and marriage has been great for me but I have seen many friends have it bring harm to them.

  17. NMR says:

    Apparently Dejan didn’t have a vote. :)

  18. Nate83 says:

    It is often decides well before the ball is hit wether or not you are running on contact. If the bottom of the order is coming up it is not uncommon to run on contact.

    If there is a guy on second it is not a bad move regardless of who is coming up because you now will have at worse 1st and 3rd with one out instead of 2nd and 3rd. It’s worth the chance to get the run in.

    Even first and third and no outs it’s not horrible because you still have a guy in scoring position when the play is over and depending on the situation the team will concede the run and take the double play.

  19. NMR says:

    I think the Bucs overall hitting woes have factored into some of these bad decisions, Chuck.

    They’re panic moves brought on by lack of confidence in a player coming through with a 2-out hit.

  20. Nate83 says:

    Tigers 15th makes me laugh. Try living next to those fans like I do. They slide in right behind the Yankees and Dodgers in my opinion. I don’t know why but I have never found myself disliking the Red Sox. I guess I want somebody to beat the Yankees and despite the high payroll I respect the way the build their team as compared to the Yankees.

  21. Lad 9 says:

    Line 1 under
    Line 2 over
    Line 3 under

    All for 100. Thank you. Go Buccos!

  22. blazer says:

    Line #1 – 100 on the under
    Line #2 – 100 on the over
    Line #3 – 100 on the under


  23. Nate83 says:

    It’s also amazing how many times the throw home is not good enough. With the way the Pirates hit with RISP if the throw is bad 30% of the time it’s better then the 24% of the time the next batter actually gets a hit.

  24. Lad 9 says:

    I used up all my turpitude when I was cleaning up from painting…. :)

  25. JD says:

    100 on the over on all 3 please.

    Go Bucs!

  26. diehard says:

    Sorry, did Pedro actually do something to warrant moving out of the 6 spot? He hasn’t hit since his second streak in June stopped.

  27. radio wave says:

    At playoffs: line 1, 75 under. Line 2, 100 over. Line 3, 75 under.

  28. Karen22 says:

    I LOVED the Tigers in 1984 when I lived there!!

  29. Nate83 says:

    Yes, Bryd is sitting and Jones can’t hit in the 5 spot. Martin’s numbers at 6 are dramatically better then 5 as well.

    Alverez has been laying off the balls in the dirt and making good contact but it has more to do with the other options then what he has earned in my opinion.

  30. NMR says:

    As if Russell and Garrett have?

    FWIW, a Morneau-Alvarez lineup is pretty much toast after the 6th inning since any manager worth his salt with match up a lefty reliever and Clint is too stubborn to look at facts.

  31. Nate83 says:

    I actually did as well. I was 9 at the time and wasn’t interacting with their fans very much. I hate to say it but Cleveland fans are so much more easier to deal with and knowledgable. In general fans of all Detroit teams thing their team is awesome and that every game they lose is because the ref/ump/lineman made a bad call.

  32. Nate83 says:

    NMR did you forget you were on the pro Hurdle side. Are you prepared for the wrath of the War Horse. Very unwise of you.

  33. NMR says:

    I did get a chuckle out of that part, mostly the fact that I was Clint’s boy and Arriba was some sort of pompous jerk who pee’d in Clint’s Cheerios.

  34. Been great for me for 41 years. Drew, too. Best 3 years of his life, he says. Although he’s been married for 20.

  35. On his statue, and Roberto’s.

  36. Nate83 says:

    I did as well. I was grouped in with those who question everything the front office and manager does. I haven’t seen DK’s list but I’m probably on that one as well for the exact opposite.

    Well at least we are not on the peeing on a statue list. That has one lonely person on it. At least there is a rumor that he did that going around.

  37. AJS says:

    And thsi must be Byrd’s day for “maintanance” during the 20 game stretch. Clint’s not going to change his ways just because it is September. he wants to give his horses a day off now and then. This only becomes a giant issue with Byrd and Cutch since they are the only ones who typically are penciled in day in and day out. We get platoons at first, Pedro sits against some tough lefties, Mercer/Barmes, Harrison/Walker, Tabby has played more days than not in left but you ahve to think they will let him keep that up with Marte on the mend.

  38. cmat0829 says:

    let’s go 100 on each:

    1) under. hoping for 6 strong innings and a game solidly in hand allowing them to not push Morton and the foot issue.

    2) over.

    3) under. Would love to see them take all 3 games and make this wager a losing one, but have to go with the odds overall.

  39. Big B says:

    I’d like 100 on the UNDER for all three please.

    Thanks! Beat ‘Em Bucs!

  40. Nate83 says:

    41 years!!! That is awesome. Just 13 for me, but they go by fast if you learn to never go to bed mad and live for the 99% of the time that is the for better instead of the 1% time that is for worse. That is what your vows say. If people just repeated those every once in awhile they would be able to reset at the end of each day instead of letting things snowball out of control.

  41. diehard says:

    Good point.

  42. JRay3 says:

    I stated yesterday Pedro is hitting .285 with 3 doubles and 4 RBI’s last seven games including the only RBI off Darvish and hitong last two lefties Perez an Rusin.

    He has picked it up of late.

  43. Nate83 says:

    His approach seems like it has been better as well. Looks relaxed at the plate. Not Pujols relaxed but better. Pujols almost looks like he is on NyQuil or something.

  44. JRay3 says:

    Good afternoon to the window. September meaningful baseball and race for division crown, who would have thought? Sure is fun.

    Line 1 – 100 on the UNDER

    Line 2 – 75 on the OVER

    Line 3 – 100 on the UNDER

    Thanks and Go Bucs!

  45. 100 on the over Line 1
    100 on the over Line 2
    100 on the under Line 3

  46. NMR says:

    And FWIW, Jake Arrieta is walking almost 6 batters per 9 innings and batter 1-7 in the Pirates lineup walk at or above major league average.

    If they don’t score on this guy, it won’t be Clint’s fault for sitting Byrd.

  47. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, guys. I didn’t have a problem with the pompous jerk part, but if someone’s going to call me a pompous jerk, at least get the underlying facts right. I’m very particular. ;-)

    I did think this was over the line, though, from the War Horse:

    ” Give it a rest, AW. Enjoy the pennant race. Save your efforts at gangster-style intimidation for your wife and kids.”

    Some things just aren’t right.

  48. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Alex Presley.
    Man, I almost for got to add that.

    Have a great weekend.

  49. toochca says:

    Sounds like Seattle!! :D

  50. NMR says:

    And he just so happens to be on his longest draught without a homerun since April.

    The big bull is gonna charge.

  51. toochca says:

    You’re slipping Playoffs!!

  52. NMR says:

    In all seriousness, – NEVER – EVER – , bring family into these arguments.

    I read that and wanted to jump through the screen, AW.

    Completely classless.

  53. JD says:

    One of my roommates in college was from Grosse Point. I learned to despise all Detroit teams and the U of Michigan. He was a tool.

    I don’t mind the Tigers now b/c of Leyland.

  54. JD says:

    You’re the coolest gangster-intimidator on here.

  55. War Horse says:

    “The Wrath of the War Horse.” Now that’s what I like to hear. Good on you, Nate.
    (In a previous life, I fought at Troy, and my petulance was known as “The wrath of ______”. Well, some of you will get it.)
    But you all are being pathetically apologetic about Hurdle’s Folly in posting tonight’s lineup. It’s a disaster. Because Jake Arrieta has been pitching in the NL for such a short time, only Morneau has batted against him (1 BB in 2ABs). So Hurdle’s had no good data to rely on, as he usually does, to choose who hits well against him. And Arrieta has been very tough on teams like St. Louis, having pitched a two-hitter over 7 innings back in July.
    I am befuddled that Byrd is not in the starting lineup. He had all that time to rest when he was driving from New York to Pittsburgh, and should be prepared to go all the way, every day, now. Jones is hitting .200 since the AS break and belongs on the bench. What was Hurdle thinking?
    Mercer, hitting .381 lately, should be at SS, not the pathetic Barmes. It will be interesting to see where he’s ordered to field his position. As much as I respect Morton, I don’t think he has balls to move Barmes into the hole where he should be. (Let’s count how many infield hits and outs the Cubs get tonight against the ridiculous Stats Shift.)
    And why should Martin be catching when Sanchez is hitting .287 lately? If anyone needs a rest, it’s Pedro. Can anyone remember when he last hit a home run? Of course not, you’d have to look it up.
    Charlie Morton, who invented that phoney excuse about a sore whatever to cover up his miserable start last time out, will at least bring his .190 BA to the lineup. Heaven knows what he’s going to do on the hill.
    I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why CH and the rest of the coaches have become so muddle-headed overnight and why you, the real brain trust of this successful season, are being so considerate, understanding and compassionate.

  56. toochca says:

    Are you sure AW peed in Clint’s Cheerios and they weren’t War Horse’s?

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  58. Bill Born says:

    100 Please on each Line

    Line 1 Under

    Line 2 Under

    Line 3 Under

  59. Nate83 says:

    Wait a second. You just said that batter 1-7 in the Pirates lineup walk at or above major league average. That doesn’t sound right at all.

    I trust your information because it is always spot on but it just doesn’t sound right. This senntence has never been used to describe the Pirates “Man those Pirate hitters sure are patient”

    I actually noted a few weeks ago when half defending and half bashing Jay Bell that their plate approach does look better this year. I didn’t realize it was that much better.

    Hopefully we can get his pitch count up and get to the bullpen quickly.

  60. War Horse says:

    Line #1 100 on the UNDER

    Line #2 100 on the OVER

    Line #3 100 on the UNDER, thanks.

  61. Brandie says:

    May I have 100 on the over for all 3 lines?


  62. Brandie says:


    He is probably trying different line ups to see what he has to work with for the playoffs.

  63. tdb1977 says:

    100 on the over for all three lines Mr. Playoffs! Thanks as always.

  64. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    100 on over for all 3

    Go big or go home

  65. tdb1977 says:

    Be 12 for me and mrs on Happy Wild Card day. Wonder where we will be if the game is in Pittsburgh if the Bucs have to play in it?!?!

  66. Very wisely put, Grasshopper.

  67. Naje says:

    Byrd has played every game since joining the team. A day of rest is not a crime.

    Barmes is hardly pathetic and a much better fielder than Mercer.

    And the ridiculous defensive shifts actually work. Don’t know what games you’re watching, but the Pirates defense is at or near the top of the NL.

  68. cosmo says:

    line 1 – 100 under

    line 2 – 100 over

    line 3 – 100 over

  69. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Charlie is a ground ball pitcher. Needs his best defense behind him. I’m not saying Jones is better than Byrd by any stretch, but a day off is not a bad thing.

  70. tdb1977 says:

    I must have missed this list somewhere. Maybe its a good thing.

  71. Brandie says:

    Do you know Moral Turpitude from Shinola?

  72. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You need to change your ring tone to Coolio

  73. John Lease says:

    Barmes blows.

  74. Baywatch says:

    On location, wit ‘chall! Lego!

  75. John Lease says:

    Except that Barmes IS pathetic. He’s hot now, up to .223

    Rafael Belliard could hit .223, no sweat.

  76. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Barmes in the lineup for defensive purposes. If CM is on his game, Barmes is the most important position.

    Byrd having a day off is a non issue, except for those that think his drive from NY to Pittsburgh was a good enough break.

  77. John Lease says:

    The lineup won’t matter is Charlie is getting donesky for the season.

    We’ll know early if that’s the case.

  78. Jason81 says:

    Line 1–100 on the UNDER

    Line 2–100 on the OVER

    Line 3–100 on the UNDER

  79. Baywatch says:

    Please don’t compare MY Barmey to Rafael Belliard! :-( This is where them thar sabermetrics break down! I never saw Belliard clang ‘em off the foul pole like Barmey!

  80. JohninOshkosh says:

    There must be a lot of apartments for rent in Des Moines. Half the Cubs were playing there earlier in the year.


  81. JohninOshkosh says:

    Did not mean for that to go here, obviously.

  82. JohninOshkosh says:

    While I’m here, enjoy your trip to Vegas, Biz. Love that town.

  83. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Ground Chuck will bring it tonight. I see 7 innings and and Buccos putting up at least 4 runs.

  84. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    That’s because he couldn’t even hit the wall Bay

  85. Karen22 says:

    34 years this Sunday! And we ROCK!

  86. Karen22 says:

    (OH, and my husband says, Drew-like: “Married? Yes, seven happy years.”)

  87. stickyweb says:

    Under on all 3 lines for 100 each. Thanks. Also known as the anti-Biz.

  88. Karen22 says:

    Cleveland fan! That’s me, too! Born & raised in the Rock ‘n Roll capital (formerly, the Mistake on the Lake). And still “waiting for next year…”

  89. toochca says:

    Nationals phenom Stephen Strasburg was a surprise scratch from his scheduled start Friday night because of tightness in his right forearm.

    Manager Davey Johnson said that Strasburg originally felt the soreness before Thursday’s game against the Mets, when the right-hander was experimenting with a new pitch. Strasburg will rest for two days and take some medication, but he is expected to make his next start next Thursday against the Marlins.

  90. Karen22 says:

    You forgot the “e” on Point(e). Makes it all the snootier! We lived right next door to Grossee Pointee (beautiful area, by the way-one of my best lifelong friends has lived there forever, and she’s not snooty), but we weren’t the least bit “snooty,” since our address read “Detroit” – signifying “Armpit of the Country,” both then and NOW.

  91. bizrow says:

    Will do, thanks

    We used to go maybe 3 times a year, its been a while.

  92. Brandie says:

    Congratulations! Like my parents, married for 40 years, fightin’ for 42!

  93. Karen22 says:

    It IS a good thing! All Hades has broken loose…punctuated, thank God, by the humor of loonies!

  94. stickyweb says:

    Yup Clint butchered this lineup just like the last 2, sitting cutch then batting j hay leadoff. What’s that? The averaged 5 runs in those games? Never mind.

  95. toochca says:

    I thought Erie, Pa (where is was born and raised) was the Mistake on the Lake?!

  96. diehard says:

    I’d like to THINK he IS picking it up, but I’d need a few more days (and a few home runs maybe) to believe it. Pedro is hitting .204, .678 OPS with 8 HR, 28 RBI in 194 ABs since the All Start break. Amazingly, Garrett Jones’ numbers (prorated for the number of at-bats) are almost identical. (.200/.676/5/14 in 120 AB).

  97. KenKopp says:

    GO BUCS! Go Mariners! Go Brew Crew!

  98. KenKopp says:

    I remember earlier in the season, the announcers were saying “It’s a little early for scoreboard watching.” But a lot of us were. Well, it ain’t too early now.

  99. piratemike says:

    I went to a Pirate- RSox game several yrs ago in Ft. Myers and clapped when a Pirate hit a single.
    I swear that image has never left me.
    If you have ever seen the movie “Invasion of the body snatchers” when the aliens turn around and point their finger at the Humans when a dog almost gets hit by a truck and the woman screams.
    That is the same feeling I got ,everybody in the immediate area turned around and stared at me like I was a freak.
    I have seen Red Sox fans since then on t.v. and I’ll tell you I would not attend another Boston game unless I carried an automatic weapon with me. Those are not fans they are scary.

  100. War Horse says:

    AW: I never called you “a pompous jerk.” Or anything like it. I was reacting to your criticism of my analysis of the A.J. incident with Barmes. Here was what you wrote about it:

    Arriba Wilver says:
    September 13, 2013 at 12:00 am

    “You need to get your facts right, smart guy.
    You have no idea what you’re talking about.
    But if it makes you feel good about yourself to make s#*t up, have a good time.
    And, what Milo said.

    How do you think you’d have reacted to a post like that?

    Not for the first time on this blog, you’ve accused me of getting my facts wrong. But you have yet to specify what facts you don’t agree with. Is it just you being, as you describe yourself, “A Grumpy Old Man?”

    If I hurt your feelings with the remark about intimidating your family, I’m sorry. I apologize. But please stop trying to intimidate me, like NMR’s bullying rottweiler, with unfounded accusations that I don’t know facts. If you don’t agree with my analyses, fine. You have every right to disagree. But try to remember next time that insults provoke insults in return.

    You and a few others seem to think you are not accountable for what you write here. Guess what?

  101. We don’t fight, Brandecita. Just wrestle.

  102. War Horse says:

    I’m truly sorry you missed the fact that my above post criticizing Hurdle’s lineup was satire.
    Have you ever read Doonesbury?

  103. diehard says:

    No, but if he dropped one into the outfield, he could sure scoot around the bases.

  104. Dadtackular says:

    line 1 over 100
    line 2 over 100
    line 3 under 100

  105. Irish says:

    Line 1 50 on Over
    Line 2 25 on Under
    Line 3 50 on Under
    Thanks, Playoffs!

  106. PittMI says:

    Battle Creek, MI

  107. Brandie says:

    Good perspective Revvie!

  108. 21sthebest says:

    Have a great trip Biz!

  109. bizrow says:

    Thanks for signing in PittMI

    That makes 403

  110. Brandie says:

    Have a nice trip, Strictly Bizrow!

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    Biz—have fun and good luck.

  112. toochca says:

    He needs to get his bench players some regular at bats so they can be more successfully used off the bench. It’s never easy finding the right spots for these starts.

  113. Barb says:

    Ground Chuck we need a DP.

  114. Barb says:

    I’ll take that too. :)

  115. Brandie says:

    Exactly. He’s trying to keep everyone at the ready.

  116. War Horse says:

    I posted this before the game but in the wrong place, sorry.

    War Horse says:
    September 13, 2013 at 5:23 pm

    Line #1 100 on the UNDER

    Line #2 100 on the OVER

    Line #3 100 on the UNDER, thanks.

  117. florida steeler says:

    Does anyone think Russell Martin needs a little break??? 139 ba since middle of August.

  118. Arriba Wilver says:


  119. Arriba Wilver says:

    I do, but we can’t afford it. I was thinking at the game last night that he doesn’t have to get a hit for the rest of the year to be valuable. But, yes, he’s seemed tired for awhile.

  120. Eric Bowser says:

    45 K’s (2nd most in MLB) since All-Star break…

    John Buck should get 2 starts each week until season is over to keep Martin healthy and fresh.

  121. Lad 9 says:

    The concept of “moral turpitude” might escape precise definition, but it has been described as an “act of baseness, vileness, or depravity in the private and social duties which a man owes to his fellowmen, or to society in general, contrary to the accepted and customary rule of right and duty between man and man.” Sitting Byrd does not qualify as moral turpitude. Sitting Cutch however, does! :). And it would be a load of shinola!

    Good evening Brandie and Lucky. Pleasure to be in the house.

  122. Arriba Wilver says:

    Maybe, Eric. But have you seen him catch? ;-)

  123. My wife was raised there, too, Karen. Now there’s 2 good things that came out of there!


  124. Eric Bowser says:

    Why are the Pirates not hammering the Cubs pitching? Been this way all year.

  125. florida steeler says:

    Pirate batters are making this guy look like a right handed Sandy Koufax.

  126. Lad 9 says:

    As crazy as it sounds, I feel better with Sanchez back there. Buck is a miserable backstop.

  127. Eric Bowser says:

    I can handle one game of Buck and one for Sanchez.

  128. Brandie says:

    Thank you Professor Ladrick Nueve!

  129. JRay3 says:

    Have to agree with that, Buck is a defensive liability that has difficulty stopping pitches in the dirt.

  130. Brandie says:

    Humor first and foremost punctuated by fascinating Bucco analysis! Effin’ Scintillating!

  131. Barb says:

    I leave for a few minutes all heck breaks loose. C’mon guys!

  132. KenKopp says:

    Take a deep breath kiddos. Pennant race = Anxiety. Elimination at the end of August = Steelers. Root like hell. Root as hard as these guys are trying. Go Bucs.

  133. Brandie says:

    Great vibes all the way, Double K!

  134. Barb says:

    Okay I’ll stay around but they better get their heads out of their butts. Grrr.

  135. Eric Bowser says:


  136. JRay3 says:

    Pedro flashes the wheels to wake up the PNC crowd, El Toro!

  137. Barb says:

    Never saw Pedro run so fast in my life.

  138. pattonbb says:

    I don’t think Martin needs a rest.


  139. Barb says:

    OMG Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  140. Lad 9 says:

    Back to back! Woop woop!

  141. toochca says:

    Back to Back!!!

  142. JRay3 says:

    Rusell Martin goes yard, back to back albeit in an unconventional way.

  143. Arriba Wilver says:

    Martin must read the blog. :-)

  144. Barb says:

    There’s that 2 out lightening again!

  145. Lad 9 says:

    Hammers now out EB!

  146. toochca says:

    Back to back to BACK!!!

  147. Arriba Wilver says:

    Holy COW !

  148. KenKopp says:

    See! Back to Back. “Double K?” Thank you Brandie.

  149. JRay3 says:

    Back to back to back, and to think some were worried about the bats against Arrieta, not.

  150. toochca says:

    Any one for FOUR!!

  151. KenKopp says:

    Back to Back to Back! Hee Hee.

  152. diehard says:

    Well, at least we got through the weak part of our order in good shape… :-)

  153. Lad 9 says:

    Don’t even know what to say. Holy s*%t to quote Belushi in Animal House.

  154. Eric Bowser says:

    Cannot believe the season we’re witnessing.

    Love it!

  155. They really can’t take it back now, but I think we got a call on Pedro’s ball. Looked like the fan reached out into the field and deflected that ball – even though Tim and Steve say other wise even with the slow motion showing that. Glad they tied it up though.

  156. Jandy says:


  157. Arriba Wilver says:

    Enjoy, Wild Bill.

  158. 21sthebest says:

    That’s what I thought.

  159. Lad 9 says:

    Can’t leave now Bob. That loud “POP” you just heard was the collective heads coming out of the butts!

  160. florida steeler says:

    ha-ha good one. Must have had some 5 Hour Energy Drink

  161. JohninOshkosh says:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, the oldest joke in the world:

    Patient: “Doctor, it hurts when I move my arm up and down.”
    Doctor: “Then stop moving your arm up and down.”

  162. Lad 9 says:

    You make me smile Brandicita!

  163. Lad 9 says:

    Jandy in the house! Welcome oh patron saint of this unholy blog!

  164. Brandie says:

    Gives new meaning to the term s%#t for brains!

  165. KenKopp says:

    Brew Crew 2, Red Birds 0. Go Mariners.

  166. florida steeler says:

    Cubs broadcast says umps should have reviewed. Probably a good point. It is enjoyable watching Cubs broadcast not having to look at Root Sports silly crowd shots.
    Don’t miss Blass’ babble either.

  167. Even as it was happening, I was thinking the Cubs would come out to say it hit off a fan and to review it. New ballgame in any case.

  168. Brandie says:

    On what farm do cows become religious?

  169. florida steeler says:

    Morton a little shaky tonight.

  170. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought Valbuena’s ball was gone, Charlie thought Valbuena’s was gone, Tim Neverett thought . . . Wait forget that last one.

  171. Brandie says:

    Thanks for the update Double K.

  172. Jandy says:

    if I’m the Saint on this here blog, we’re ALL in trouble ;)

  173. Lad 9 says:

    The Delhi Dude Ranch?

  174. Jandy says:

    it’s his turn lol

  175. florida steeler says:

    He and Blass are quite the tandem. Cubs announcers seem good and very objective, at least at this point.

  176. JRay3 says:

    Very nice running catch by Tabby, Cubs hitting Morton hard, CH needs to keep him on shorter leash especially if he keeps ball up.

  177. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yep, In the super slow mo Steve said, yes it was a home run. It kills me when they look at the clear evidence and call it in our favor, like we can’t see. But, I’ll take it.

  178. Arriba Wilver says:


    You’re in big trouble, Mister. ;-)

  179. 21sthebest says:

    I kept yelling for Arrieta to throw the next pitch!

  180. Brandie says:


  181. Barb says:

    CH heard you Lambo pinch hitting for Charlie.

  182. florida steeler says:

    Cubs announcers just said “Pirate outfielders relieved Morton is out because they are gassed from running so hard.”

  183. Brandie says:

    Friday is Cow-mel Day! :-)

  184. Brandie says:

    Lambo Calrissian!

  185. Jandy says:

    well that sucked

  186. pattonbb says:

    Dumb, dumb, dumb…….

  187. Jandy says:

    woah I should hav e said Tabby not getting back sucked

  188. pattonbb says:


  189. florida steeler says:

    Does Tabata have any functional gray matter???

  190. JRay3 says:

    Now that is pretty funny.

  191. Jandy says:

    yeah that sucked

  192. The bonehead baserunning shows up again by Tabby.

  193. Arriba Wilver says:


  194. florida steeler says:

    His act is getting old for a major league player.

  195. JRay3 says:

    I don’t think I have ever witnessed a player with the inordianate amount of base running gaffes as happen to Tabata during the course of a season.

    That is just plain not knowing where your half way point on a fly ball is.

  196. Arriba Wilver says:


  197. Lad 9 says:

    Same here. My family thought I was goofy….well maybe that wasn’t the real reason…

  198. Wild Bill says:

    Oh boy!

  199. Arriba Wilver says:

    I heard you in USC.

  200. Arriba Wilver says:

    You there?

  201. Jandy says:

    Whew, glad Wilson got out of that.

  202. JRay3 says:

    Huge punch out for Wilson there and he did so without his regular velocity as he was sitting 92-93.

  203. Wild Bill says:

    We’ve got these guys right where we want them.

  204. Brandie says:

    Good evening JRay Tre!

  205. Brandie says:

    Let’s finish em’ William of the Wilderness!

  206. Wild Bill says:

    I’m here, AW.

  207. KenKopp says:

    Cutch! MVP? DUH!

  208. Arriba Wilver says:


  209. JRay3 says:

    And a howdy back at you Brandie. Nice double by Cutch to start the Bucs 6th.

  210. Brandie says:

    Get on The Double Cutch Bus!

  211. Wild Bill says:

    Really, really loud.

  212. Arriba Wilver says:

    I can imagine!

  213. Jandy says:

    woop wooop!

  214. JRay3 says:

    That’s what hustle can earn you at times, Alvarez busting it down the line to make it close and force the hurry and Cutch hustling in to score and Buccos take lead!

  215. Barb says:

    Go Cutch!!!!!!

  216. bizrow says:

    Good hustle by Pedro

    This club has something special going

    And they know it

    So should we

  217. Lad 9 says:

    With ya Biz. Most enjoyable season ever for me as a sports fan.

    BTW, enjoy Vegas!

  218. Parrothead01 says:

    It’s really hard to go 25 games without, but Morneau is giving it his best shot to accomplish the feat.

  219. KenKopp says:

    That’s what I’m talking about bizrow! Lets act like we’ve been here before. I have in the early 70’s and late 70’s. It is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

  220. Arriba Wilver says:


  221. piratemike says:

    Glad I’m not alone. I usually get blasted if I say anything that can be construed as anti Pitt.

  222. JRay3 says:

    Double huh? In a come from down 3-0 to take lead with all the great plays and big hits the players have turned in that is the thought?

  223. Lad 9 says:

    Don’t know if anyone mentioned this above, but Melancon not available. Grilli is the closer tonight. Heard CH pre game.

  224. Lad 9 says:

    I lied. Sorry.

  225. Barb says:

    Brew Crew up 3-1 against the Reds!

  226. DJ says:

    One right here would be good for Grilli’s confidence.

  227. pattonbb says:

    Right before the mini hr derby, Morneau battled through a 12 pitch at bat. You can’t tell me that didn’t have something to do with the hr’s.

  228. Parrothead01 says:

    Morneau has no RBI’s in nine games so far. I was Judy projecting out to the end of the season. He seems to hit well with nobody on, but his at bats with runners on scoring position have been weak pop ups, weak ground outs or strike outs. It’s probably due to trying to hard to make an impact and the small sample size do far. I was just making a comment.

  229. florida steeler says:

    0-0 Cards and Mariners

  230. Jandy says:

    K! Nice, Cheese ;)

  231. Jandy says:

    Cheese is pitching 3 innings???

  232. Jandy says:

    That’s 2!!!!

  233. Jandy says:

    Dang. he thought he had it and so did I!

  234. Jandy says:

    friggin ump

  235. Barb says:

    I think I need to send my old glasses to the ump behind the plate. Man!

  236. Arriba Wilver says:


  237. Jandy says:

    damm right!

  238. Brandie says:

    Gotta shake off the rust some how.

  239. DJ says:

    Wow . . . not good.

  240. pattonbb says:


  241. florida steeler says:

    What a meatball by Grilli.

  242. KenKopp says:

    Stay positive Lunnies

  243. Patrick(ri) says:

    As Blass just said, this is about the Pirates, not Grilli. Too bad.

  244. Brandie says:

    Homer. Up 5-4 on our boys! :(

  245. JRay3 says:

    Grilli does not get the strike call on Valbuena which could have gone either way and than Rizzo belts one, game of inches and calls at times.

    On a positive note- M’s take 1-0 lead on Cards and Brewers lead Reds 3-1.

  246. Jandy says:

    get him out of there

  247. Arriba Wilver says:

    Feel bad for Jason, but the crowd gets it.

  248. florida steeler says:

    What is that supposed to mean?? Blass and his babbling wisdom!!!!!

  249. Brandie says:

    And there’s your silver lining.

  250. florida steeler says:

    Unfortunately, he has struggled since his return. allowed runs in three of his four appearances.

  251. Patrick(ri) says:

    Are all the left-handers drilling him during his “rehab” innings?”

  252. JRay3 says:

    Alright plenty of time and cracks for Bucs bats to do some damage on Cubs bullpen.

  253. Patrick(ri) says:

    I took it to mean it might be wise to be careful until he is ready – more important than getting him rehabbed.

  254. Lad 9 says:

    (Wiping egg off face and looking sheepish). I swear I heard it on The MLB channel on XM!

  255. DJ says:

    Oh well, so much for my comment about Grilli needing this one for his confidence.

    Fastball is about 2-3 mph slower, sitting 92 instead of 94-95. He misses those extra mph because it sets up his other pitches.

    We just cannot lose this one. Got to find a way.

  256. Reading says:

    Need some heroics.

  257. florida steeler says:

    Good point Patrick–you may be right on that one. Cannot afford to have him blowing leads at this point–especially against the last place team.

  258. KenKopp says:

    Seriously Kids, stay positive. Cards and Reds are losing. We are WINNERS now. Last 20 years are American History.

  259. florida steeler says:

    Cannot have Grilli rehabbing in crucial situations.

  260. Arriba Wilver says:

    On the bright side, Jose won’t get picked off or doubled up. ;-)

  261. Reading says:

    Don’t like that Nats have suddenly won like 7 in a row. Expect no help from Phils this weekend Magic Number wise.

  262. Cause they are actually beating the scum of the league. Something we usually have trouble with. I can’t stand them winning at this point.

  263. Reading says:

    A Cutch 2-run go ahead bomb in the 7th would not have hurt his MVP resume.

  264. Brandie says:

    Still sending my good vibes Double K!

  265. DJ says:

    So Depres shows up out of shape, checks Crosby today and Sid gets examined for a concussion . . . before being cleared? Nice.

    We certainly don’t need any Sid-less portions of the upcoming season.

  266. Arriba Wilver says:

    Pedro heating up will be huge. (Feel free to quote me)

  267. KenKopp says:

    Mariners are winning 1-0 and Wainright just got out of the 6th with100 pitches. Come on Bucs.

  268. Steelag70 says:

    Well…we will have one more chance…pitcher’s spot, Mercer, and Tabby…

  269. Steelag70 says:

    Come on guys…you are still worried about the Nats?? Wow…

  270. Barb says:

    Well I hear the woooos are back. :/

  271. Not really, I just don’t want them to win since I live south of DC.

  272. Jandy says:

    Nice K for the FArn

  273. florida steeler says:

    So annoying

  274. Steelag70 says:

    I thought Farnsworth was a good get down the stretch…

  275. Can that part of the lineup please do something miraculous tonight!

  276. Jandy says:

    he retired the side :)

    Now, the bats need to get busy!!

  277. Lad 9 says:

    Ok Let’s dooooooooo it!

  278. Steelag70 says:

    Alright….hear we go…come on Buccos…send the crowd home happy tonight.

  279. Patrick(ri) says:

    OK, who’s gonna hurt a toe, so we can put Farnsworth on the playoff roster?

  280. Steelag70 says:

    Farnsworth is a beast….

  281. Steelag70 says:

    Was thinking the same thing…maybe it will be Morris…lol.

  282. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Gaby…get on so Pie can run for you…

  283. Nice of us to let Rizzo find his stroke. This team loves squandering opportunities that are given to them. Though two cubs have hit HRs tonight and both were 2-run homers. TWO of their runs we gifted on base by stupid walks. The Bucs need to start learning this from other teams. Usually when a Buc walks, he stays there, or is erased by a DP. Too many walks score against the Bucs – or it at least seems that way.

  284. DJ says:

    Gaby = pop-up = no surprise.

  285. Steelag70 says:


  286. Jandy says:

    Guess we can’t win them all….I’m off to bed, Loonies, working with Hubby again tomorrow,..

  287. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Neil…

  288. Barb says:

    Night Jandy.

  289. DJ says:

    He smoked it but no cigar.

    Let’s get ‘em tomorrow.

  290. Patrick(ri) says:

    A popular choice, for sure.

  291. KenKopp says:

    Pennant Race. Fun.

  292. Arriba Wilver says:


  293. Steelag70 says:

    Damn!! Can’t choke these away guys…Cards and Reds both losing….

  294. florida steeler says:

    Lose to the lousy Cubs because Hurdle has a brain cramp with Grilli. Amazing.

  295. Need Seattle and Milwuakee to hold on. Can we please get a blowout- games by the Bucs tomorrow to stop this needless string of close games.

  296. Lad 9 says:

    With ya KK.

  297. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t agree with “choke.”

  298. Steelag70 says:

    Sorry AW, but they did choke this one away…

  299. Hey part of that was the ump’s brain cramp to not call a third strike for out #3, but your point is taken.

  300. Brandie says:

    Glad you like your nickname!

  301. florida steeler says:

    5-1 Milwaukee. gomez with 5 rbi’s. Hope he gets hot this weekend.
    1 out bottom of 8th in St. Louis. 1-0

  302. DJ says:

    Rule No. 1 for a reliever: Don’t walk anyone.

    That was the brain cramp.

  303. florida steeler says:

    Second basemen for Seattle just misplayed a pop up for two base error

  304. Reading says:

    Granted, you need to bounce back and not give up a blast, but I’ll blame the Ump also. Grilli K’d that guy, but the Ump rewarded a guy looking at a pitch on the black with two strikes. Should never happen.

  305. Mrevo says:

    Who are Crosby and Sid?

  306. florida steeler says:

    But, we cannot forget–we got a gift fan interference home run by Pedro and pitch was very close–goes either way.

  307. Reading says:

    You know St. Louis will win. They take leads late in games. Not give them up.

  308. Patrick(ri) says:

    I disagree that the players choked, but I do think Clint outsmarted himself by rotating all those guys early on, and leaving himself w/o a lefty to face the Cubs closer. Many managers would have brought in a lefty pitcher to face Rizzo, after the walk (and Grilli could have felt pretty good instead of how he must feel now. Of course, I am not an MLB manager, I just criticize them on a blog.

  309. florida steeler says:

    Cards now have runners at the corner with one out–unbelievable

  310. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’s a definitional thing. Reasonable minds can differ, and so can we. ;-)

  311. DJ says:

    I know it’s all about the splits but would have liked to have seen Jones stay in the game tonight, especially coming off the rope homer he hit to center.

    Sometimes a few days out of the line-up, watching other guys contribute, player more relaxed and then coming through can do wonders.

  312. florida steeler says:

    Seattle threw the ball away on sure double play. 1-1

  313. Reading says:

    Martin’s jack would have scored Pedro. Ball was over the wall anyway whdn it hit dude. At least that’s my testimony.

  314. DJ says:

    It was out. Homer either way.

    Something Pedro can tell his grandkids.

  315. Steelag70 says:

    Cards have tied it up…

  316. florida steeler says:

    Second baseman screws up popup and SS throws ball away on sure double play. Seattle giving game to the Cards.

  317. florida steeler says:

    1-1 Seatlle and Cards–Cards had two lousy hits going into the 8th.

  318. Steelag70 says:

    I am glad that we are done playing the Brewers…they could give teams fits down the stretch…

  319. florida steeler says:

    They have an excellent lineup–really not sure why a losing record. But, the Cubs stink–we keep giving games to them.

  320. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I know some disagree (obviously the ump) but I definitely thought he had the strike out.
    When teams are given extra chances, the usually succeed.
    That’s what happened tonight…..

  321. JD says:

    Doonesbury blows.

  322. BarryVanBonilla says:

    I’m wearying of the Hurdle worship that seems to be taking root. He is an unusually hardheaded tactician, and his starstruck attachment to Justin Morneau is becoming painful. Jones was benched just after going 3-4 the day before the Morneau trade. Since then, in cameo appearances, he doubled off a lefty and hit a laser tonight. Gaby Sanchez, who owns left handed pitching, appears tonight to hit against … wait for it: a righty. There have been at least six key at bats Sanchez should have replaced Morneau. Instead, we saw Morneau pop out, ground put and strikeout against lefties he never should have been allowed to face.

    Speaking of lefties, we have several of them in the bullpen there to face the likes of Anthony Rizzo. Not tonight. Determined to prove a point, the exploding ball of chewing gum leaves Grilli in to pitch to him. Lefty-righty splits only work for Hurdle when they are applied to people he perceives are platoon players (Jones, Sanchez). Perceived full-time players (Alvarez, Morneau) get a free pass to full-time mediocrity at the team’s expense so Clint can pencil in the same eight names every day. Thus, we see an underpowered slider get a free plane ticket to could-have-been-avoided-loss city.

    Clint Hurdle is a self-help guru wearing a major league uniform with just enough knowledge of the game to be damgerous. Good for him for making the players feel better about themselves and each other. That is to be commended. Now, you want them used properly? Look at the guy with BANNISTER on the back of his uniform. Clint Hurdle is too full of preconceived dogma about individual players and tactical decisions to ever be a consistently winning manager. His players have bailed him out on a remarkable number of occasions. He remains the best we’ve had since Leyland, but his tactical shortcomings are profound and will punish this team in the postseason.

  323. BarryVanBonilla says:

    See my comment below. The value of splits to Hurdle is a function of his preconceived notions of whether a player is a regular. Thus, Morneau’s awful splits are ignored; so are Sanchez’s tremendous splits the other way.

  324. BarryVanBonilla says:

    As to Jones, I fully expect him to hit 30 bombs elsewhere next year. At least eight of them will be off lefties. The yanking him in an out of games (ironically, to give Sanchez at bats) has been done with such maddening obsessiveness that the benefit was blunted in the case of both players, and neither has bern as good as he migh hav been had he been able to relax and play a game end to end. Get a clue, Hurdle. Sit Morneau and Jones against lefties, and rest Sanchez and Byrd against some righties. Byrd is 36 and doesn’t need to be in every day. Morneau should sit against some righties. This isn’t 2006 Morneau, Clint. None of it will happen, though.

  325. DJ says:

    I’m not anti-Hurdle but I do agree that the application of his principles — which are floating — can be maddening sometimes.

    From the perspective of Jones in particular, the few times he’s gotten in since the trades (at least those at bats I’ve seen) he’s done a solid job. And so if Hurdle was going to go with his gut tonight, I wish his gut told him to leave Jones in. We were up at the time and I know Hurdle wanted to add on, but why not give Jones another shot, trust your bullpen can hold the lead and save your other hitters (like Byrd) for later in the game if you need them?

    Competition, which the trades has brought, can often take pressure to produce off and prompt greater focus. Jones seemed to be more relaxed and focused tonight and the last few times he’s gotten in.

    As an example, Arrieta was pitching everyone up through the first 3 innings. The second time through the line-up Jones adjusted his swing plane very nicely, rather than waiting for the low fastball he craves, and he roped a higher fastball over the center field wall. Regrettably, we’ll never know if Jones was about to have another “locked-in” game like the day before the trades.

    In stark contrast, Hurdle is still giving Tabata, a singles hitter, plenty of playing time even though, in my view, the upside is much greater with Jones, in spite of the year he’s had to this point.

  326. Reading says:

    I worry about everybody until they are eliminated. 7 games back, they’re being allowed to hang around. Magic Number should be 8. Nats aren’t losing to the Phils, we need to take care of our own business, which obviously didn’t happen tonight. Lead will be 4 before we know it, with 6 games against the Reds left. We get swept, and the likes of LaRoche and Ohlendorf are playing the Reds in the Wild Card.

  327. Drew71 says:

    And he dresses funny, too.

  328. 21sthebest says:

    Arriba? Where is it?

  329. Tom P. says:

    With 15 games to go, the Pirates magic number to clinch the second wild card is 9 (vs. Nationals), to host the wild card games is 13 (vs. Reds), and to win the division is 17 (vs. Cardinals).

  330. John Lease says:

    His ofer was stellar last night, I’m sure. He blows and shouldn’t be starting games. He can be a defensive sub.

  331. John Lease says:

    That’s why he has value as a defensive sub. Not much value, but some.

  332. John Lease says:

    Not with Barmes.

  333. John Lease says:

    Justin M has earned some time on the bench.

    I love how his power flipped off the second he got here.

  334. Thundercrack says:

    ‘but his tactical shortcomings are profound and will punish this team in the postseason.’

    Is that the same post season that this team hasn’t seen since 1992?

  335. Thundercrack says:

    ‘There have been at least six key at bats Sanchez should have replaced Morneau. Instead, we saw Morneau pop out, ground put and strikeout against lefties he never should have been allowed to face.’

    We’re talking about Justin Morneau right? Not Alex Presley or Jose Tabata or Felix Pie….right?

  336. Arriba Wilver says:

    Banny 85

    Hurdle 62

  337. Jandy says:

    Good job Tom P!

  338. cmat0829 says:

    So you are expecting that in 2014 he will do what he couldn’t do with PLENTY OF CHANCES in 2013, and in hitting HRs off of lefties, he will do what he NEVER HAS DONE in his career. I guess I will pass on your ‘predictions’ if this is an example of them.

  339. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Yeah, and I’m sure you guessed when he was called up in 2009 that he’d still be here in 2013, having hit 101 major league home runs. The homers of lefties was tongue in cheek, by the way. Notwithstanding, you can trash him all you want. This offense would have been pretty meager without him the past several years. Pretty unappealing listening to people like you malign a guy who has exceeded everybody’s expectations a few years ago.

  340. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Yeah, those playoffs. It would be nice to see them make something of them. Nobody is all good or all bad. Hurdle has some superb strengths. In game management is not one of them.

  341. BarryVanBonilla says:

    Yes, we’re talking about Justin Morneau, vintage 2013. Decent against righties, awful against lefties and still serviceable in the field. And that is all he is.

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