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Final: Padres 2, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (87-62) vs. San Diego Padres (68-80)

Starters: RHP A.J. Burnett vs. RHP Andrew Cashner

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Justin Morneau, 1B
  5. Marlon Byrd, RF
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Russell Martin, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Burnett, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page. Rob Biertempfel and Travis Sawchik are on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and more, including his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the top four columnists in the country -- highest circulation category -- by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the top three columnists in the country by the National Headliners Awards. For 2013, he was named top columnist in the state by the Keystone Awards and second-place by the Pennsylvania AP Managing Editors.



    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total HITS by Clint Barmes in tonight’s game
    Line is 0.5

    Line #2
    Total INNINGS PITCHED by AJ Burnett in tonight’s game
    Line is 6.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Wild Card Magic Number: 6

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23


  2. Here are the current up-to-date standings.
    These factor in the beginning of the season “wagers” as well.
    Up to 84 total players now.


    Bill Born ~ 550
    kr70 ~ 500
    Jandy ~ 450
    Kevin ~ 450
    stickyweb ~ 400

    bman ~ 2930
    JRay3 ~ 2225
    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 1825
    War Horse ~ 1765
    Nate83 ~ 1725
    blazer ~ 1600
    JUCOFan ~ 1300
    stickyweb ~ 1200
    Bill Born ~ 1030
    Irish ~ 950
    Dadtackular ~ 900
    KJX ~ 750
    RobertoForever ~ 740
    fellocolonial ~ 700
    Chico ~ 600
    Ermine ~ 600
    kr70 ~ 600
    JohninOshkosh ~ 435
    tdb1977 ~ 435
    TCB ~ 425
    theplanisworking ~ 400
    EricBowser ~ 325
    OZ ~ 300
    Vette60 (Randy in RVA) ~ 250
    Boise Bucco ~ 200
    Damon ~ 200
    Evan ~ 200
    Frankie ~ 200
    Hal Smith ~ 200
    cherokee23 ~ 150
    Pucknutz ~ 150
    BDHumbert ~ 125
    A1C McG ~ 100
    Matt hoffman ~ 100
    PetroSteel ~ 100
    Rick in Crete ~ 100
    steelercrazy ~ 100
    MarkV ~ 50
    mlrgenuine ~ 50
    Big B ~ 0
    Fish ~ 0
    pants-n-at ~ 0
    Ruffian706 ~ -40
    cmat0829 ~ -50
    JoeyBats ~ -75
    Ben ~ -80
    Alexandre Giesbrecht ~ -100
    Brian ~ -100
    Dcpinpgh ~ -100
    John in WM ~ -100
    Kevin S ~ -100
    buffalo_bob ~ -150
    buggee ~ -150
    Ghost ~ -150
    Dom ~ -175
    DormontGeorge ~ -200
    Ryan76 ~ -200
    TJ ~ -200
    TK ~ -200
    tmp444 ~ -225
    Arriba Wilver ~ -250
    Drew71 ~ -250
    Jason81 ~ -250
    Patrick ~ -250
    stuart66 ~ -250
    Joey Mellons ~ -300
    Steve J. Smith ~ -300
    The Gunner ~ -300
    toochca ~ -300
    Jandy ~ -325
    absolute59 ~ -350
    Keith ~ -350
    Karen22 ~ -400
    DemonDachshund ~ -450
    radio wave ~ -575
    cosmo ~ -650
    Brandie ~ -675
    pattonbb ~ -800
    JaxBuc ~ -900
    Kevin ~ -1185
    JMB ~ -1350
    Lad9 ~ -1350
    JD ~ -2175
    Bizrow ~ -4850

    ***The Most Points for the end of SEPTEMBER will win:***

    First Place at the end of the season will win:

    Second Place at the end of the season will win:

    Third Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fourth Place at the end of the season will win:

    Fifth Place at the end of the season will win:

  3. Good afternoon, fellow LOONIES! Anyone else in the bin?

  4. This boy Kashner is one of these professional pitchers. Just doesn’t give up much. His last 10 starts? ZERO games giving up more than 3 runs! He’s from Conroe, TX, about three hours down the road from me … about an hour north of Houston.

    • Thanks for the heads up, Bay….he’s a tough cookie then. Dang.

    • The Cubs gave him up to get Anthony Rizzo. I believe there were some mechanical issues that hurt his control in the past. But, he appears to be putting it behind him now. He was tough on the Bucs in San Diego, and he has a great arm. Feels like another 3-2 game tonight.

      Well, as long as we have the 3 …

    • He has lights out stuff, but for some reason does not get many strike outs. He can be dominant though.

  5. So, Marte’s pretty much out for the year at this point, right? Relegated to late inning pinch run or pinch-hit opportunities. I heard over the weekend that he’s taking BP but still has a lot of pain.

    • Maybe not, Kevin. Hurdle says it depends on Marte’s pain tolerance.

      • Boy stands up there most of the season leading the league in HBP. He just might be a pain tolerance kinda guy! Of course, Tabby’s been fairly good!

      • Motrin and water, and tell Marte to quit hanging out with Walker.

      • Ugh.

        That is exactly why I hate seeing a Manager go the “pain” route with a player.

        • Are you implying that Hurdle can’t just say, “Hold your hand up for me” to Marte and be able to instantly tell whether he can play through the pain, NMR?

          • No, I’m explicitely saying that openly stating the only reason a given player cannot play is “just” pain opens said player up to criticism from tough guys like defil21.

            He’s injured. He’s recovering. He’ll play when he’s ready.

            ’nuff said.

            • I sense maybe CH is a little frustrated with Marte on this. But, I agree with you that it does no good to mention it to the press.

              And, FTR, I really don’t believe Hurdle has much idea how much pain Marte is experiencing. I was being a bit facetious there.

              • You forgot the ;) Jim

              • From listening to Hurdle yesterday, I really didn’t feel like he was frustrated with Marte, but all he was saying was this is now about Marte seeing how much pain he can handle. He said the medical staff has said Marte can’t make the injury worse.

                Personally, I’m predicting offseason surgery. Probably not a stretch.

              • I get the impression that Clint is getting frustrated with answering questions about it.

                I’m sure he just wants to say ‘he’ll play when he can play’. But of course the media is still going to ask for updates everyday.

              • Thanks for the reminder, Jandy. I’m going to toss in an extra one.

                :-) :-)

              • Jim you’ve got it now :*

            • National Mart of Records,

              Exactly! Very appropriate comment!

            • Sweet my first call out. I was basically joking about the whole Marte thing, but I do consider myself a tough guy so thanks brother!

              I love Marte BTW and hope his hand heals fine for October baseball.

            • NMR, I knew I was right all along. It was a very serious injury, that those in the inner circle were reluctant to divulge. And surprisingly enough, Hurdle ran out of words.

              Imagine that!

              • FWIW like I said in the Saturday baseball thread we all have our whipping boys my tends to be Walker.

                As far as you guys biting or telling me to go pack sand about my opinions so be it we all have a right to our opinions. It’s all in good nature, and above all we are all FANS!

                In my opinion Walker has been banged up and a little injury prone over the past couple years. Again I said it all in fun and wasn’t trying to upset any of you lunatics.

              • defil, I’ve been down on Walker myself a time or three, even going so far as to call him a p*ssy! ;)

      • Hurdle said yesterday Marte is going to play in this series.

        • But, will he bat with the oven mitt?

          • LOL! This oven mitt thing … Why is it reminding me of that old baseball movie Gary Coleman was in? Oh, that’s right, set amongst the early ’80s Padres!

          • does the oven mitt work with the glove he fields with? or is there just more padding in this fielding glove? guys got me all curious now about a oven mitt wielding Marte.

            • it will certainly change the connotation of the “Marte Parte” signs in the ball park.

            • I think the injury is to his right hand. Or, is the oven mitt on the right hand just a decoy?

              I did make the observation late last week that we seem perfectly fine with him playing LF and making throws in key situations, but he needs an oven mitt to run the bases. Just seems a little strange.

              All kidding aside, this is really too bad. We could really use his glove, bat and wheels back in the lineup by playoff time. The longer he sits, the riskier it is to have start taking live batting for the first time in playoff games.

        • Hurdle has said a lot of things, most of which is empty rhetoric; boy is there a lot of that going around these days from much higher places!!!!

  6. If runs and RBIs are still important, I hope we have more than the Padres tonight.

    And please let me add: :-)

  7. They showed a graphic on the Cubs broadcast from PNC yesterday of the NL strikeout leaders among hitters. I don’t recall the exact numbers, but Jay Bruce had a very slight lead over Pedro, I think. Or, Pedro may have been 3rd. The other 3 guys in the top 5 were Uggla and the Upton brothers. So, Atlanta had 3 of the top 5.

    Atlanta seems pretty dependant on the HR. They lead the league. But, they are also 2nd in whiffs as a team. The Bucs allow the fewest HR in MLB by a pretty wide margin as of last week. If we play them in the playoffs, something’s gotta give. I wonder what it would be.

    • ah yes, but are the bucs catching up at all in the HRs hit department?

      • Actually, the Bucs are a pretty good HR team. They are 7th in the NL overall, but 3rd in road HR’s hit. This weekend was an anomaly for PNC. It suppresses HR’s big-time.

        The Braves have hit 83 road HR, and the Bucs 80.

        Interestingly, Cincinnati has hit only 67 on the road and 81 at home.

        Just for fun (at least, fun to me):

        Pitching HRs allowed for those 3 teams:

        Bucs – 32 at home (Wow! – next closest is 48); 62 on road (4th best in NL). Bucs have hit 141 HR overall, and allowed on 94. That is an awesome ratio! Best in MLB.

        Reds – 91 at home (Hitter’s park); 62 on road (same as Bucs and basically facing same schedule)

        Braves – 52 at home; 65 on road

        Atlanta is a pretty similar team to the Bucs in a lot of ways.

  8. Ah, that old traditional mid September foe: San Diego.

  9. Braves/Nationals game postponed due to the shooting.

  10. Considering the Braves are playing the Nationals…

    Who is rooting for the Nationals so that the Pirates can catch the Braves for Best Record?

    Who is rooting for the Braves in order to reduce the playoff Magic Number?

    • We have to be rooting for the Nats in that one. If our lead over Washington comes into play in the next 2 weeks, we don’t belong in the playoffs.

      • I agree. I just remember DK saying something to the effect that he couldn’t believe people were rooting for the Reds when they were playing the Cards.

    • definitely rooting for the Braves… we control our own destiny against the Nats, only have to win 6 more.. but we need the help to catch the braves, obviously.

    • Playoff number, screw the record, except for the best in the division.

  11. Hope we have our hitting clothes on tonight. I can’t take many more of those 2-1 or
    3-2 games. Let’s give A,J, some run support. GO, BUCS!!!

  12. Sorry I missed this morning’s discussion on Morneau. Sure did work out well having Gaby bat against the lefty yesterday, especially with guys on 2nd and 3rd and only one out!

    Blah, Blah, Blah to small sample size. I already hear your excuses.

    I like Morneau’s swing, I like his approach against righties and lefties, and I like Bucs playing every day. That will pay off the highest in the long run, I believe.

    My only problem is I DO believe in “The peripheral stuff such as runs and RBIs … aren’t we past using things like that?” But Dejan says that stuff doesn’t matter!!!

    My eyes tell me [not NMR's stats] that Morneau’s swing and approach are better than Gaby’s. I’d give him the next 10 games to break out . . . . . then go to inferior Gaby if he does not.

    My #4 batter HAS to DRIVE IN RUNS!!

    By the way, the only time my TV will be on ESPN tonight is between innings.
    If the Steelers are going to run the ball as much as they say, there will be nothing to watch on ESPN anyway.

    • I can’t get past those things either Groat.

      Also, I do like Gabby.

    • +1 and agree with most things. Morneau is due for a HR but I’ll be plenty happy with some more singles.. especially if one of those is with a fast runner on 2nd.

    • It’s not like Morneau is in an .050 slump… the guy is hitting. Our No. 4 hitters have produced horrible numbers in general. Cherry picking a 13 or 14 game sample from Alvarez or Jones or G. Sanchez at their low or lower moments of the season would be hazardous to your health.

      Give the guy some time… he’s earned that much.

      • Naje,
        the original ‘debate’ this morning was if Morneau has been as wonderful as Byrd.

        • Ooops… sorry about that. Yeah, that comparison was a little bigger than the reality, but I think he’s our best option at first. And while G. Sanchez wields a mighty fine glove, I also think Morneau has made some difficult plays that Sanchez probably doesn’t get… maybe just two or three (some pop ups behind 1B and into short RF), but enough to widen my eyes. And those were definitely plays Jones would not make without a ton of luck.

          • I think Gabby is our best defensive catcher.

            And of course I would have to go and check the stats, but I think his bat is pretty good too. With all of our first baseman it could be better…especially more power.

            His pop-up late in the game yesterday did frustrate me. (and by the way he slammed his bat, he seemed frustrated too)

          • +1 on the defense.

        • But, isn’t the practical debate about how to utilize Morneau vs. Gabby at 1b?

          Byrd plays RF. He has been a very good pick-up. Huge HR on Sat. Great acquisition. Case closed.

          The question is, should Morneau play everyday, including vs. LHP? Or, should Gabby play vs. starting LHP and Morneau vs. RHP only? Keep in mind, we have faced more than 80% RHP this season. Of course, the extension of the argument is, do you pinch hit Gabby for Morneau at a critical late inning juncture of the game when a LHP is on the mound? I think we are all agreed that Morneau should be facing all the RHP opponents.

          To me, it has been proven over a fairly large amount of at bats for both players that Gabby hits better vs. LHP and Morneau hits better vs. RHP. I thought the entire point of getitng Morneau was to avoid having to keep putting Gabby in the lineup vs. RHP, while allowing him to keep raking against LHP. So, I say why have Gabby growing stale on the bench, when we absolutely need him locked in for late PH in many games? But, like I said this morning, Hurdle is a smart guy. I trust him to figure it out conclusively this week.

          As Arriba often says, ICIT.

          • Clint is absolutely a smart guy, Jim, which is why his explanation as to why he is playing Morneau aginst lefties (“he has hit them his entire career”) is nothing short of willfull ignorance.

            Justin has NOT hit lefties his entire career. That is a fact. One that can be easily determined.

            If Clint had said he sees some change in Justin that he thinks will allow him to better hit lefties, I’d defer to his baseball judgement, as it far surpasses mine.

            But you can’t tell me the sky is green when I can look out the window and see it is blue.

            • I think that is what he meant when he said he called people in Minnesota who he trusts. Their judgment became enough info. for him to go on, I guess.

          • And above all, I just don’t see what there is to gain by forcing Morneau into lefty-lefty situations.

            Platoons are not a foreign, advanced, or untested concept. Many of this year’s playoff teams employ them. The Pirates themselves had one prior to Morneau’s arrival.

            Morneau fixes the half that was broken.

            Why mess with the half that didn’t need fixed?

            • That is precisely what I have been trying to say all day.

              And if he loves Morneau for other reasons, well he’s still in there 80% of the time.

              All we are saaaa-ying is give platooning a chance.

            • So, I decided to look up what each guy has done vs. LHP this year.

              Morneau – 165 ABs
              6 2b, 0 3b, 2 HR, 7 BB
              slash line: .212/.253/.285/.538
              Even worse than I thought.

              Sanchez – 96 ABs
              8 2b, 0 3b, 4 HR, 20 BB
              slash line: .323/.441/..531/.972
              Even better than I thought.

              Clint has these numbers. I believe it will work itself out soon. If not, I really don’t get this one.

              • Please allow me to add that Morneau is striking out 25% of the time while walking only 4%, just to nip all the “but his approach…” comments in the bud.

                And I’m not even Dan Fox!

      • Naje in this case we championed picking the guy up based on a small sample size of a 20 game hot streak instead of 2 and a half years of mediocre play. He has for the most part played to that mediocre level during his 15 games with the Pirates. It is absolutely fair. We picked him up for 30 games. A small sample size is all we get, nothing else.

        I was against getting him but when we got him I said it was a good move because we didn’t give up much of anything to get him. I thought it was worth a shot to see if we could get lucky but I also warned that I personally didn’t think he would have a dramatic impact.

        The notion that his addition to this line up is as valuable as Bryd is an insult to Bryd. I still hope he contributes but I’m not holding my breath.

    • Funny how some people become MLB Scouts when the numbers don’t back their predetermined opinion.

  13. Good evening all you Posters, Postettes, and Pop Tarts?

  14. How many guys are on the playoffs roster that were on the opening day roster?

  15. Wow is this going to be a painful evening – Barmes at SS and Blass on color.

    My mute will be working overtime

  16. Now the question on the table for Kent Yo Tekulve is, do we keep Melancon as closer or try to re-incorporate Grilli there? My opinion is GO WITH MELANCON.

    But unfortunately I see CH has other intentions. I would say, are you kidding me?

  17. Maybe some genius here can tell me why CH is taunting AJ by playing Barmes. You know, the out-of-position Barmes.

  18. Can’t get more efficient than a six pitch 1-2-3 inning to start from AJ.

  19. Bucco game is again the free game of the day for fellow out of towners.

  20. When did the Padres acquire Cy Young? Going to be a quick long night at this rate.

  21. For those of you – and you know who you are – inquiring about Mercer’s ability to play up the middle, what about that coverage by slew footed Barmes?

  22. Barmes hits on off the pitcher, deflects to the second baseman who lays out on the ground, and STILL beats Barmes by more than a step on the throw.

    Yeah, he’s great.

  23. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  24. Great play by Barmes, but there you saw it – the weakest arm in the league among shortstops

  25. I have all three threads up at the same time. It has been interesting to see all of the varying and sundry ways certain denizens on this here blog bash Mr. Barmes. He just can’t win for losing.

  26. Hopefully Cashner will now struggle…haha.

  27. As hard as it may be to believe, the Pirates are actually scoring fewer runs since the trades (3.5 per game) than they were before (3.9 per game).

  28. Good evening defil21, Jandecita, Lad 9, Hipponkadonk, Revvie Baby, Mr. Hassis, Rarin Karen, The Justice Avenger, Drew-k Of Earl, Jimster, Bodacious Barb, the Professor and Mary Ann…

    Here on Gilligan’s Island!

  29. Another day, another “extremely impressive” performance from an unknown pitcher. Amazing team, the Pirates. Put fans trough the wringer, but somehow get 86 wins???

  30. I’ve said it time and time again: if Pedro could hit .250/.260 he’d easily be a 40/100+ guy.

  31. Martin needs a little break.

  32. Should walk Headley here.

  33. I just love watching AJ pitch!

  34. We’re not losing. Just feels like it. :)

  35. Barmes has been best hitter of the night, has absolutely stung two balls and has nothing to show for it.

    Good old fashioned pitchers duel tonight.


  37. If kashner pitches 9 perfect innings and it goes to extras will people still consider it a perfect game?

  38. Very poor fundamentals by Cutch there. Never, ever want to catch that flat footed when you have so much time to get your momentum going toward home plate.

  39. Would have liked to see Cutch not as stationary camping under that high fly, would have rather seem him get a one step running start leading into throw.

    Going to need the bats to muster something on third time through.

  40. We need to get a bat !!!!

  41. Ok…AJ is done…you can go get him CH…

  42. Stop me if you’ve heard this before. Hurdle leaves a pitcher in too long.

  43. One batter to late again with AJ, after he lost Amarista that should have been it. AJ gives team competitive start but offense has elected to take night off with him on hill once again.

  44. Missing you marte.

  45. Steelers up 3-0.

    Can the Pirates kick a FG here?

  46. Damn…come on now….get the freaking bats going!!

  47. Tabby with a rip to start things off, maybe that will wake the offense up.

  48. That’s a start Tabby. Cashner only at 70 pitches, but looks tired. This is the part of the order we want up.

  49. Yes, THAT. Now break it open.

  50. UGH Cutch grounds into a DP :/

  51. Pop fly and DP — argh!,

  52. This team seems to not know how to handle prosperity sometimes…

  53. Who the h— is this Cashner, the second coming of Bob Feller? Of course, when this
    team can’t hit, they can’t hit anybody. This is ridiculous -playoff team? I don’t think so!!!

  54. New 7,8,9 guys: Farnsworth, Grilli, MM.

    3 RPs with closing experience.

  55. This will be a bitter pill, to lose due to Cedeno’ s hitting.

  56. 0-for-3 tonight Martin? Not enough going our way tonight boys.

  57. Just the pitcher, but that was nice!

  58. Morneau doesn’t even have warning track power

  59. A positive premonition, influenced more by Zinfandel than rationality: Pirates win on a walk off hit by Jones.

  60. What a lousy friggin’ night for Pittsburgh sports…

  61. Loonies, I am shutting down the laptop and heading up to catch some zzzz’s. Will turn something on up there, just not sure what…
    Go Pittsburgh!

  62. Man!! What in the hell is wrong with that damn Pedro???

  63. CH took the over on Barmes!

  64. Shouldn’t even have to wash the uniforms.

  65. Back to Storage Wars.

  66. What a pitchers dual tonight. Tip your hats to Cashner for that pitching performance.

    Barnes starting, Hurdle leaving AJ in too long, neither are the reason for the Bucs loss tonight.

    That’s baseball. Pitching wins.

    I like the pirates chances on the next 3 games.

    Let’s Go Rockies and now its time to get disappointed from the Steelers.

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