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Final: Reds 6, Pirates 5, 10 innings

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (88-65) vs. Cincinnati Reds (87-66)

Starters: LHP Francisco Liriano vs. RHP Mat Latos

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Justin Morneau, 1B
  5. Marlon Byrd, RF
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Russell Martin, C
  8. Jordy Mercer, SS
  9. Liriano, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates pageRob Biertempfel, Travis Sawchik are on the scene.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Dejan,

    Glad to hear yesterday was just a “hit the wall” day. It happens.

    3 weeks ago I took a called 3rd strike. With the bases loaded. Down a run. (I’m still not over it.)

    Git ‘em next time. Walls come and go.

    DK: Weird day. Just total exhaustion. Couldn’t move. Came and went. But thanks.

  2. Radomir says:

    go Pirates,expect victory ,my prediction McCutchen 2HR Byrd 1HR ,score 7:3 ,greetings from Serbia :D

    DK: Where in Serbia?

  3. Nate83 says:

    Marte out of the line up again. I wonder if his hand is not doing well. Tabata has been swinging a nice bat lately. He even has been hitting with a little bit of power so it’s not the worse thing in the world. Although Marte’s defense will be missed.

  4. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Marte does not strike me real close to 100% at bat.
    It probably didn’t help that he got plunked in the upper arm the other night.
    You can bet he’ll be high on Dusty Baker’s hit list this weekend.

  5. cmat0829 says:

    biggest game of year, biggest series of year, you go with your best lineup and right now Marte is not your best option in LF. Tabata is. I don’t think it’s an injury issue myself, just think he is rusty at the plate and is not a real threat right now offensively.

  6. Nate83 says:

    I hope not. There is a lot at stake for both teams. Putting any extra base runners on seems to be less likely. Although I am sure there will be some hard slides into second and maybe a collision or two at home. I suppose if a game gets out of hand maybe a player gets plunked but I hope we are past that.

  7. NMR says:

    Writer’s block seems absolutely terrifying to me, as a non-journalist.

    Can’t imagine that pressure.

  8. Naje says:

    DK… were you at Three Rivers for the season ending Phillies series 35 years ago?

  9. NMR says:

    Considering that looks to be the only way Marte’s getting on base right now, strap him up with an elbow pad and tell him not to pull a Presley.

  10. Nate83 says:

    Marte gives you the best chance to win in the playoffs and that is coming from a Tabata supporter. The only way for him to not be rusty is to play. Who knows maybe Tabata is 5-11 against Letos in his career and that is why he is starting. That was for you NRM.

  11. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I was there!….Stargell’s HR in the 1st inning on the (eventually lost) Saturday afternoon game went right over my head in the RF stands.

  12. Naje says:

    Team v. Latos … Morneau, from what I searched, hasn’t faced him:

    Tabata v. Latos – 3 for 13 w a 2B and a HR
    Walker – 4 for 18 w a 2B and 4 BB
    Cutch – 5 for 18 w 3BB and 2 HR
    Byrd – 2 for 7 w a 2B and 2 BB
    Alvarez – 5 for 22 w 5BB and 8Ks; 1 HR
    Martin – 2 for 12 w a 2B, 3 RBI, 1 BB, 2 Ks
    Mercer – 1 for 7 w a 2B and 4 Ks

  13. Nate83 says:

    Alverez 5 walks? Thats just crazy. I’ll assume typo.

  14. Naje says:

    Cool… I was riveted to my transistor radio and at a high school football game… right before kickoff they announced that Stargell hit that grand slam and the place went bonkers. Convinced my older sister, who drove a few of us, to get us home as soon as possible… got home to see Lerch and his two home runs…ugh.

    The Friday night DH was incredible theater. Two improbable 9th inning wins… remember every radio in the house tuned into the game and all of us hanging on every pitch.

  15. Jason81 says:

    Marte’s wife gave birth yesterday. I’d assume that has more to do with is omission from the lineup than his hand.

  16. Naje says:

    No… 5 BB is not a typo… nor is 8 Ks.

  17. Never thought I’d say it, but I agree, Tabloid is the best option right now.

  18. Crematorium,

    6 of the 9 games left are with the Reds. Gotta get him in there if expect to go anywhere in postseason.

    On base twice Friday night. Stolen base. No need for defensive replacement late in game, so best defense in left field from 1st inning on.

    At best Tabata starting is good for one more hit——and that not guaranteed.

    Marte may have not gotten any sleep last night. Labor sometimes lengthy. Let Marte play with his baby tonight, then start him last eight games!

  19. Naje says:

    Forget that Groaty…. Get Marte in the game late and let that papa-induced adrenaline rock PNC with a game winning RBI in, say, the 7th or 8th… we’ve seen this story before with Mackowiak…

    But having a couple more days (few more?) to heal well and be ready for next week’s games and the playoffs could be good, too.

  20. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I thought they were going to do it that weekend, but it was a prelude of things to come.

  21. NMR says:

    Haha, I appreciate the love, Nate.

    I was thinking about this the other day…have you guys bothered to track whether or not these small sample size decisions have actually worked this year?

  22. JohninOshkosh says:

    “I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go by.”
    ― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt

  23. Nate83 says:

    We did but it was to small of a sample size to really know.

    I side with you on this one. The best 8 play. The only thing that should be considered is hitting against left handed and right handed pitchers.

  24. Nate83 says:

    I was just joking. I don’t do those happy faces or winking faces. I like to keep people guessing.

  25. NMR says:


    And honestly true. I’m fairly confident at this point that if stinky hitters happen to hit good pitchers over a short period, that won’t continue forever and isn’t a very smart way to manage a baseball team in the long term.

    But what about the short term? I wonder how many of those seemingly questionable decisions worked out?

  26. Dom says:

    49ers LB Aldon Smith has been arrested under suspicion of DUI. Could he be suspended by the league for this?

  27. cmat0829 says:

    Presley is a future AL all-star, mark my words.

  28. Naje says:

    NMR…I just posted the stats v. Latos…that’s all. Not for lineup decisions or anything else. Just fyi. Is that allowed?

  29. Nate83 says:

    Some did but I doesn’t prove anything. If all other things are equal as far as power, walks, defense, etc…. the guy batting .270 is going to win you more games then the guy batting .240. When you add in Marte’s defense there is no arguement that he isn’t one of our best 3 outfielder. He would be on any team in the NL that’s not the Dodgers.

    We are really blessed with a great outfield since the Byrd trade. I just wish we could see what they can do when they all play together.

  30. You get my age and those days seem to come more frequently.

    But DK has a few to go before that.

  31. You get a 2.0 share for it.

  32. Bob from Mt Lebo says:

    What happened to Sanchez catching for Liriano? Liriano has struggled to say the least with the other 2 lately. Or is this more of not giving Martin 2 days off and getting him on the field for one of the biggest series of the year

  33. scapper says:

    Was at that Friday doubleheader. Savran still claims it’s the loudest he’s ever heard that stadium. Said there was just this hum all night. Still have my little gray general admission ticket stub. Sat three rows back in left-center. I remember listening to talk radio until past 3 a.m. that night, just too jacked to sleep.

    Blame myself for Saturday. Went to 21 games that season and my record was 19-2. (Saw them win the meaningless game Sunday that weekend.) I know that had I gone, I’d have gotten them those last two tying runs they needed Saturday. Anyone remember? Down 10-4 in the 9th and scored 4 and, I’m pretty sure, had men on. I think it was Stargell who popped or grounded to second. What a weekend.

    No matter what happens this weekend, I don’t know how it could top that Friday night and Saturday for ulcer-inducing drama.

  34. Nate83 says:

    Naja I think he was just responding to me about a debate that has gone on with almost any line up posted.

  35. NMR says:

    I actually appreciate the work…why wouldn’t that be allowed?

  36. cmat0829 says:

    I guess I’m just reacting to (1) how bad Marte looked at the plate Tuesday and Wednesday; (2) how good Tabata has been; (3) how this offense can’t afford the leadoff hitter to have an 0-fer in such a big game.

    This is 1-game at a time, a WIN tonight is more important as it sets the tone for tomorrow/Sunday… and Marte doesn’t seem to be ready at the plate.

    I get the bigger picture stuff, the catch22 of how you get Marte ready for playoffs if he doesn’t get in the lineup…but for those that think that, do you want Grilli pitching the 8th or 9th tonight in a 1-run game? To me Grilli and Marte are parallel situations….

  37. Nate83 says:

    It would have been 3 days off. He sat out the last two of the San Diego series.

  38. cmat0829 says:

    you play your best players in the biggest game of the year. The ‘personal catcher’ crap is wholly overrated. Martin is one of the best receiving catchers in the game and Liriano has pitched to plenty of catchers in his career.

    Liriano struggled in his starts because of how Liriano pitched, not how the catchers caught.

  39. Nate83 says:

    Plus Sanchez’s butt might be hurting after that fall.

  40. tomp says:

    As a die hard 49er fan(and Pirate fan) , i feel the team will suspend him , before the league get’s its mitts on him.

    I would expect him to sit out this sunday’s game, but who knows what Harbaugh is thinking.

    I may have missed the comments, but did any one notice Tabata looking back to the outfielder, moments before he got tagged out on that attempted SF by JM?.

    Obviously it did not matter, in the grand scheme of things, but stuff like that is inexcusable.!!

  41. Naje says:

    Giving Martin a chance to have two days off and get right for tonight and tomorrow’s games.

  42. NMR says:

    Very much agreed with all three, cmat.

    Marte’s bat speed looked fine. Unfortunately he reacted to curveballs like he’d never seen them before. Pretty sure he was actually LATE on the last one.

    If Marte were a consistant performer, I’d say put him in there now and take your lumps so he’s ready in a week. But fact is, he’s gone month long stretches doing this.

    Time is running out on experiments.

  43. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Holy crap

  44. Nate83 says:

    I agree. Especially with a veteran like Liriano. He’s going to pitch how he wants. If the Catcher is consistantly showing signs he doesn’t agree with he will get him on the same page.

    Although I will say Morton should have his own personal shortstop. The next time Barmes isn’t playing when Morton pitches I will be disappointed.

  45. NMR says:

    Pretty sure Clint specifically said Martin was catching Liriano to get them comfortable to the WC game.

  46. Jandy says:

    Biz, you catching this?

  47. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  48. NMR says:

    Pitchers are peculiar creatures, cmat.

    Not saying it makes sense, but there’s enough of a mental aspect to the game to make me believe some guys perform better with others.

  49. Nate83 says:

    I actually agree but find it funny that his replacement Tabata is considered a solved puzzle. No player is more frustating and difficult to figure out. He may in fact be the ultimate experiment that is in a 3 way tie with JMac and Oliver Perez.

  50. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total RUNS SCORED by the Pirates in tonight’s game
    Line is 3.5

    Line #2
    Total RUNS SCORED by the REDS in the 3 games this weekend at PNC Park
    Line is 13.5

    Line #3
    Total WINS by the Pirates in the 3 games against the Reds this weekend at PNC Park
    Line is 1.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Wild Card Magic Number: 4

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    KEEP CALM or JUST PANIC….Choice is yours

  51. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Agree with both yinz.

    Marte is the best option, however his time off (for ilreported hand injury) has made him extremely rusty at the plate.

    If this were April-August, let him knock the rust off.

  52. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    maybe he shoulda…….oh nevermind

    congrats to him

  53. NMR says:

    funny, ironic, crazy, stupid…all of the above, maybe.

    I trust Hurdle with this one, cuz it’s not an easy decision either way.

    It’s just awfully hard to bench a guy who is performing in HOPES that a rookie can rehab and catch fire in the last week of a pennant race.

  54. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    those are the little things Tom.

    Bummer about Aldon. You’re right, never know what Harbaugh is thinking. Like the coach………a lot.

  55. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    Not crap.

  56. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Line 1: 100 on over
    Line 2: 100 on under
    Line 3: the easiest pick……100 on the over

  57. Naje says:

    Incredible drama. Loved every second of it.

  58. Karen22 says:

    Good evening, Playoffs…and here we go!

    100 each:

    1. Over
    2. Under
    3. Over

    It’s TIME!

  59. Nate83 says:

    As you know I like Tabata. I always have, so I’m OK with him starting. There are a lot of things worse then having Marte coming of the bench.

    It’s very good point you made about experience player vs. inconsistant rookie. Tabata is less likely to go 0-4 then Marte. He also is less likely to go 3-4 and have 2 stolen bases.

  60. Nate83 says:

    Line 1 – 100 on the over
    Line 2 – 100 on the under (please Locke pitch well)
    Line 3 – 100 on teh over.

  61. Damon says:

    Line #1 – 100 on the under
    Line #2 – 100 on the under
    Line #3 – 100 on the over


  62. bizrow says:

    Just saw it, was getting ready to post the list

  63. 21sthebest says:


  64. JRay3 says:

    Good afternoon to the window. Wow the biggest series in PNC history begins tonight. MLB Network airing both tonight and tomorrow’s games. Just 9 left, plain fun.

    Line 1 – 75 on the UNDER

    Line 2 – 100 on the UNDER

    Line 3 – 100 on the OVER

    Thanks and Go Bucs!

  65. bizrow says:

    Three overs for 100 nukes each, thanks Playoffs

    Beat Em Bucs

    We’re going all the way

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  67. 100 each
    1- over
    2- under
    3- over

  68. Dom says:

    #1 100 OVER!!!
    #2 50 OVER!!!
    #3 25 OVER!!!

  69. War Horse says:

    Line #1 – 100 on the OVER.

    Line #2 – 100 on the UNDER

    Line #3 – 100 on the OVER, thanks.

  70. Nate83 says:

    While looking at Cutch’s stats against other MVP candidates I notice while looking at RBI’s that the Pirates have 3 of the top 11 players in that catagory. No other teams have 3 guys that high. Byrd was added late but he has hardly been the problem since being added. How can a team have 3 of the top 11 in a 15 team league and still seem so deficiant at scoring runs? Have the other 5 guys really been that poor at driving runs in?

    I only say this because it feels like they are capable of more. Especially since the trades. There is no reason this team can’t put up the 4 runs the pitching staff needs to win. Just look at the line up. It should be good enough. Hopefully it all clicks when it needs to.

  71. NMR says:

    Confuscious say: you cannot drive in what is not there.

  72. NMR says:

    Similar to DK wisely beating the drum for Tony Watson as the most under appreciated pitcher, Tabby has to take that “honor” for position players, right?

  73. cmat0829 says:

    Liriano 2013:

    15 starts with Martin catching – 10-5 record. *Note, Martin caught the important August 30 game, breaking the pattern of TSanchez catching Liriano. Bucs won 5-0 and Liriano was dominating*

    6 starts with Sanchez catching – 4-1 record.
    2 starts with Fort – 2-0 record
    1 start with Buck – 0-1 record.

    I don’t have ERAs but point is he threw to Martin plenty this year and he threw very, very, very well. Maybe some pitchers want regular catchers and it isn’t crap, but in this case I doubt Frankie asked for it..this was more of a case of Martin catching AJ and Clint not wanting Sanchez to catch either Morton (lots of balls in dirt) or Locke (struggling JMac style) too much.

  74. Nate83 says:

    I look at the lineup and feel good. Better then anytime during the last 10 years. When I look at it I think to myself now thats a lineup that can do some damage. It just feels like the parts are better then the sum at this point.

    Maybe I’m overrating some of our players. Maybe I’m just over reacting. The Reds and Cards just went through 6,8,10 game stretches of only scoring 1 or 2 runs a game. So it happens to all teams.

  75. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was there. One of the most exciting games I ever attended. And getting beat by 2 Randy Lerch HR’s? As Daq said, a prelude of things to come. The Phillies were the best/hated rival then.

  76. cmat0829 says:

    odd statement given Liriano has thrown to Martin FIFTEEN GAMES this year. But I don’t doubt Clint.

    Better answer would be “Martin is our starting catcher. He just had 2 days off. Time for Russ to play and to play well and with full energy and focus”.

  77. toochca says:

    I was at Sunday’s game. Dissappointed, but I was there!!

  78. cmat0829 says:

    anyone feel free to make your own Mark Sanchez/butt joke here.

  79. cmat0829 says:

    Check out the box score of Aug 30 vs the hot-hitting Cards. I’d be ok with a start like that with Martin behind the dish, what say you?

    Martin is the STARTING CATCHER, so valuable at keeping running game down, biggest game of year, he plays, biggest nobrainer in the lineup bingo game we play daily all year…

  80. theplanisworking says:


    I will let you decide if you need more Chai trip-trip-trip le pumped, or more cowbell. :)

  81. NMR says:

    I wasn’t talking about Martin/Liriano at all, fwiw.

    Just generally speaking.

    Sorry for making you get all those stats (but good job!).

  82. cmat0829 says:

    line 1 – OVER.
    line 2- UNDER, it’s all up to Locke on Sunday for this.
    line 3 – OVER. 2 of 3 for sure, up to Locke for the sweep.

  83. NMR says:

    Don’t shoot the messenger!

  84. kr70 says:

    1 100 on the over
    2 100 on the under
    3 100 on the over
    betting my heart not my head (that bumper sticker is making me reckless) and thanks

  85. theplanisworking says:

    % NMR, blog %. ;)

  86. kr70 says:

    who will get beaned most? Dodgers, snakes, pirates , or reds?

  87. Arriba Wilver says:

    The year Reggie Sanders was here and the 2008 lineup prior to the trades were pretty darn good. So, yes, I think you’re over reacting a little. But so what? ;-)

  88. Lad 9 says:

    Line 1 Over
    Line 2 Under
    Line 3 Over

    100 toothpicks on each. Thank you Playoffs. Go Buccos!!!

  89. TK says:

    Line 1 (3.5 runs) – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 2 (13.5 runs) – 100 on the UNDER
    Line 3 (1.5 wins) – 100 on the OVER

  90. NMR says:

    “Better then anytime during the last 10 years.”

    This is a syndrome Pirate fans will soon get over. There is definintely some truth to your statement (we’ll save the debate on the ’07/’08 lineup for later), but the Pirates have also sucked for the last 10 years. Better than suck still doesn’t necessarilly mean good. Call it Justin Morneau syndrome.

    I do think this team COULD have hit a bit better, but they still struck out too much and didn’t walk or hit for enough power to come close to breaking even.

  91. Jim S. says:

    Keep staying a snowman, Nate. I sold out to the man and got an avatar, but you don’t have to. Just keep fighting the good fight with the snowman and no emoji’s.

  92. cmat0829 says:

    What a BIG SERIES it is at PNC Park this weekend…. I pretty much hate all the teams the Bucs play, but the Reds have a special distinction of being the team I hate the most (taking over for the Brewers this year)… Dusty Baker just seems like a sleazeball..Phillips is a tool….

    Tonight’s game is so key… taking first game, perhaps tying the Cards in 1st and dropping the Reds 2 back…so HUGE.

    Caught the end of the Cards/Rocks yesterday… Cards announcers were busy coronating their team and funny thing happened…their bullpen implodes, they blow it in extras, and now the lead is 1 and it is not easy beating the Brewers in Milwaukee.

    Plenty of baseball left…it starts TONIGHT .

  93. NMR says:

    AH, YES! The 2003 lineup blew this one out of the water.

  94. Jim S. says:

    I did not hear. Did everything go well with Mrs. Marte and the baby? I hope Starling is just getting a mental health / spend some time in the cage with Jay Bell day.

    I had a feeling it was going to be hard for him to just come back and pick up where he left off. Some guys can do it. But, not guys with as many holes in their swings as Marte has. He didn’t have the benefit of rehab games, and it is showing.

  95. cmat0829 says:

    wasn’t shooting the messenger , but will say this was a BS answer from Clint. there it is .. a criticism of Clint!

  96. Nate83 says:

    You are correct that 2008 line up wasn’t bad. Unfortunately the pitching was so horrible you almost forget that the offense was not that bad. I hate when your right.

  97. NMR says:

    Jim, did you notice DJ? He literally found a snowman!

  98. Jim S. says:

    Tabata being hot now can be Tabata rolling out softly all over the infield for about a week very quickly. Even with Starling’s flaws, if he is right he is a better offensive player than Tabata. The question is, how long will it take to get him right? This isn’t Tony Gwynn, where you just plug him back in the lineup and 2 days later it is as if he never missed a beat.

  99. Arriba Wilver says:

    This team’s built on pitching.

    You heard it here first.


  100. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, I did. Funny.

  101. Ghost says:

    You just earned a “Get Out of Pond Free” card!

  102. NMR says:

    You have proven yourself impartial!

  103. Nate83 says:

    If it was allowed I would bring Lereoux up just to get Phillips off his game.

  104. Jim S. says:

    I like where you’re going with that, Naje.

  105. NMR says:

    Remember that time I thought Chris Leroux would stick in the bullpen this year? Ugh.

  106. bizrow says:

    Still miles to go, this club can do it

  107. Jim S. says:

    I was but a pup, but I was there for the doubleheader sweep on Friday night. It was crazy. The house was rocking.

  108. toochca says:

    Pitching Matchups

    Cardinals vs. Brewers
    Miller (14-9) vs Hellwig (1-4)
    Lynn (13-10) vs Gallardo (11-9)
    Kelly (9-4) vs Peralta (10-15)

  109. The Gunner says:

    As one of Tabata’s harshest criticism in the past, I am quite pleased with his performance during Marte’s downtime.

    Keep it up, Tabby!!!

  110. Jim S. says:


  111. toochca says:

    Could always have Jared Hughes do it!!

  112. NMR says:

    Stop the presses! :)

  113. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Its a general consensus.

    Some of the starters for the Giants prefer NOT to pitch to Buster Posey..No idea why.

    Seems as though every team has that “perfered catcher” situation.

  114. Jim S. says:

    I think CH built in 2 days of rest, in order to have Martin ready for the entire weekend. Also, I don’t expect Tony would be in line for a playoff start, so they may as well reacquaint the ace with the starting catcher now.

  115. Nate83 says:

    There is a limit of 2 Canadian’s allowed on any one team. We knew Morneau would be traded for so with Martin already on the team we had no choice. They have trouble learning yinz dialect. This is also true with Hockey but it applies to Americans instead.

  116. Nate83 says:

    That’s right. I got my relief pitchers messed up. Leroux had the fight in the WBC. Hughes had the run it with Phillips.

  117. Nate83 says:

    You have never been so profound.

  118. Jim S. says:

    Here is an even weirder stat that I heard from the Rockies announcer while I was driving home from work and listening to the end of their 15-inning game with St. Louis last night: The Cardinals have 5 of the top 6 hitters in the league in terms of hitting w RISP. I know we have argued that point to death. But, that is ridiculous.

  119. Tom P. says:

    I caught the highlight where John Jay was tagged out at home by Torrealba after dancing around looking for a way to sneak in his hand. (Fine sequence all the way around, I might add). As the game went to a commercial, one of the broadcasters said, “The Cards may be dancing their way to a division title.” Ummm, not so fast.

  120. Rob Scott says:

    As big a series as people think this is, it’s really not…What I mean is even if Bucos win 1/3 they will still be tied for wildcard with 6 to go…The big series is honestly next weekend and not this one.

  121. Nate83 says:

    This series is at home. It isn’t a must but it is very important to finish the series up by 2 instead of tied.

  122. NMR says:

    Clearly you are correct. That sweet lefty heat wooed me once again.

  123. Jim S. says:

    RBI’s, to a large degree, are a function of where you hit in the lineup. That is not the whole story, of course. But, take the Reds for instance. Philipps batted 4th most of the year, and has a ton of RBI’s. He has hit well with RISP, but he does not have a lot of XBH’s which is usually the case for big RBI guys. What he did have, is the luxury of Choo and Votto in front of him with their .400+ OBP all year.

  124. Arriba Wilver says:

    This is the biggest one so far. ;-)

  125. NMR says:


    And yet, somehow Dusty Baker gets paid to manage a major league baseball team.


  126. NMR says:

    Incredible, Jim. And the longer it goes on the more ridiculous it gets.

  127. Jim S. says:

    Next you’re going to try to sell us on the idea that they supplement good pitching with sound defense and positioning, Arriba.

  128. Tom P. says:

    True enough, but if the Pirates win two or sweep this weekend, they may need to only win one next weekend to clinch home field for the wild card game. Plus, if the Pirates only win one this weekend, I think they can kiss the division good bye. The Brewers will be lucky to win one game this weekend, and the Pirates are unlikely to make up 2 or more games in the last week.

  129. NMR says:

    Makes you wonder why former players are made managers…

  130. Jim S. says:

    I will give Dusty credit for one thing. The man did a good job of finding a team on the rise when he left Chicago.

  131. Arriba Wilver says:

    Line 1—Over

    Line 2—Under

    Line 3—Over

    All for 100 each.

  132. NMR says:

    Thats a buncha hooey – AJ Burnett


    Have a good weekend, Jim.

  133. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, it’s killing me that they have not … here’s that word … regressed one d*mn bit. Not an iota. I believe the record for a team since this has been tracked is .291 and they are still in the .325 range.

  134. Jim S. says:

    Pirates have had the most Canadians all-time in MLB, I believe.

  135. Jim S. says:

    How about John Jay totally misjudging the ball that went over his head last night? Guys like him constantly make me appreciate Cutch all the more … as if there are not a million reasons other than that to appreciate Cutch.

  136. Jim S. says:

    +++. Every game is big now.

  137. Frankie says:

    Line 1 over

    Line 2 under

    Line 3 over

    All for 100 each


  138. Tom P. says:

    Plus, after struggling with the Padres, the Pirates want to finish on a good note with at least 2 wins. Good crowds, lots of excitement, and a few wins could give some momentum into the last week of the season. Lose two this weekend and people will talk about backing into the playoffs.

  139. Jim S. says:

    So, I’ve been Mr. Mom for the past month. Our oldest daughter is doing a soccer thing overseas, and my wife went with her. They get home next week. So, the two younger ones (14, 11) and I have had a lot of quality time together. And one of the great benefits is that we have caught almost every Bucco game together. I get home, get dinner ready as they do homework, and we adjourn to the family room in the basement to watch together. Great plan, worked like a charm for the last 4 weeks.

    Well, tonight they have both told me they want to go to our local HS football game with friends. Wait … you want to do what? Do you not understand the seriousness of this weekend? Do you not understand that tonight sets the tone for the weekend? I’m going to be without my sidekicks, and I don’t know what that will do to the mojo.

    They both assured me they will be following the updates on their phones (Well, yeah, I would certainly expect that at an absolute minimum). And they want text updates of key plays. But, it is not going to be the same without my crew. The dog tries to follow along, but he’s not into SABR-metrics. I get the feeling he’d be up there hacking away like JHay if he had the chance. Ugh!

    Gotta run! I have to throw in a load of laundry! Go Bucs!

  140. Jim S. says:

    Couldn’t agree more. Win 1 this weekend, and we are tied with Cincy. Win 2 and we have a 2 game lead. Sweep, and the Reds are hanging on for dear life to their hopes of a WC game at home.

  141. Jim S. says:

    Back at ya.

  142. JohninOshkosh says:

    Congratulations on your marriage, Biz. Wish you well

  143. Stickyweb says:

    With Billy Hamilton tearing up the bases, I’d expect Martin in every Cincy game he can possibly be in, day games after night games excluded of course.

  144. JohninOshkosh says:

    Enjoyed your posts today, Jim.

  145. Stickyweb says:

    UNDER line 1 for 100
    UNDER line 2 for 100
    OVER line 3 for 100

  146. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, Osh. I didn’t enjoy them all.

  147. 21sthebest says:

    If this were a marathon, the Pirates have 1.5 miles left excluding postseason play.

    Good to “see” you Biz!

  148. Naje says:

    Awesome… hoping for a very quick football game so the young’uns get home in time for the final few innings.

  149. Jim S. says:

    + many.

  150. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, that’s the plan. Our son never seems to want to stay for the whole game, so I’m sure I’ll have to relieve his friend’s mom who is taking them at some point.

  151. Dadtackular says:

    Line one. 100 on the under
    Line two. 100 on the under
    Line three. 100 on the under

  152. theplanisworking says:


  153. theplanisworking says:


  154. Jim S. says:

    I don’t think too many people here need a reason to dislike Dusty Baker. But, just in case, check out this pre-game quote, which I assume was meant as a shot at the Bucs:

    “They’re kind of like Tampa Bay. When you’re picking first or second for a number of years, you’re supposed to come up with something.”

    Kind of like the Reds until about 3-4 years ago, huh Dusty?

  155. Pucknutz says:

    A real live honest-to-goodness pennant race in Pgh. in Sept !!! Yeah baby !!!
    Wild Card – schmiled- card.
    2 outta 3
    2 outta 3
    2 outta 3
    Win the Division !
    Baseball don’t get no better than this.
    Enjoy Pittsburgh!!

  156. theplanisworking says:

    Cincinnati , the franchise that has given us……………….
    Pete the Cheater Rose,
    Marge the Nazi Schott, and
    Dusty the racist Baker.

    I dont put stock in anything he says.
    Dusty has choked every single time he has ever made the playoffs.
    Bitterness and jealousy arent very good traits for him to have.

  157. theplanisworking says:

    Mr. Playoffs……..

    Line 1 25 Hippos on the UNDER.
    Line 2 25 Hippos on the OVER.
    Line 3 25 Hippos on the OVER.


  158. Dusty didn’t get the memo that only 3 players in tonight’s lineup are first-rounders.

    The rest are trade acquisitions, free agents and another guy that wasn’t a first-rounder.

  159. theplanisworking says:

    Dustball never let facts get in the way of his stories.

  160. Jim S. says:

    For the Reds, Jay Bruce was definitely a first rounder around the time Cutch was picked. I believe Leake was also. There could be more on the Reds. Not sure what he is getting at. The Reds were pretty bad, right along with the Bucs, for a lot of those 20 years.

  161. blazer says:

    100 each line:

    Line 1 OVER
    Line 2 Under
    Line 3 Over

    Thanks Playoffs!

  162. toochca says:

    I think Dusty should just let Brandon Philips talk to the media from now on!!

  163. theplanisworking says:

    And I will be by to step on their hands so they fall.

  164. Jandy says:

    LLine 1 – 100 over
    Line 2 – 100 under
    Line 3 – 100 ove

  165. John Lease says:

    It’s time for everyone to get their game face on.

    I hate the Reds for all the reasons a Pirates fan SHOULD hate the Reds.

    I have Sunday morning to atone for it.

    I want some payback for 1990 tonight, who’s with me?

  166. Baywatch says:

    Evening, All! Heading off to deliver that pizza pie. Le’ts.Go.Bucs!

  167. Irish says:

    50 on Over for Line 1
    50 on Under for Line 2
    100 on Over for Line 3
    Thanks, Playoffs.

  168. theplanisworking says:

    Ove? ;)

  169. Bill Born says:

    100 units on each Please

    Line1 over

    Line 2 over

    Line 3 under

    Thank You!!!

  170. toochca says:

    I want payback from 1990 and a no-hitter on my birthday!!

  171. Tom P. says:

    Well Jim, tomorrow night my wife and I are going to dinner with another couple at 7 PM ET (to a non-sports bar venue). Poor planning on someone’s part….

  172. Eric Bowser says:

    THIS is why PNC Park was built… just took 12 bad years to finally get to THIS series.

  173. theplanisworking says:

    I say we fire Bylsma. ;)

  174. theplanisworking says:

    TABATA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  175. JRay3 says:

    Tabby with a lead off blast, looking good at the top of the order!

  176. theplanisworking says:

    WALKER TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  177. JRay3 says:

    Back to Back take that Latos….what a start!!!!

  178. Eric Bowser says:

    Now Walker HR!!

    back to back


  179. Barb says:

    TABBY AND NEIL………………………………………
    Hi everyone and what a way to enter the blog. YES.

  180. theplanisworking says:

    BARB !!!

    You are a good luck charm !

  181. Barb says:

    Gee thanks Hipposter. What a way to start this series.

  182. theplanisworking says:

    Man this is fun !!!! :D

  183. Barb says:

    It sure is!

  184. irishjim says:

    This team has to have the all-time record for solo HR. Then, once we have two on, the bats go cold as usual.

  185. theplanisworking says:


  186. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, and that was nice of you in last nights hockey thread to let Brandie know I had an APB out on here. LOL.

  187. JRay3 says:

    Frankie does what he needed to in that situation, make quick work of Reds in 1-2-3 inning. Eight pitches get back to the dugout and put the pressure back on Latos.

  188. Barb says:

    That’s what “friends” do for each other. She was MIA and needed to be found. :)

  189. Kevin says:


  190. theplanisworking says:

    I am 4 for 4 on APB’s ;)

  191. Barb says:

    Another 1-2-3 8 pitch inning. Go Frankie.

  192. JRay3 says:

    Seven straight retired from Frankie, is settling in nicely. Now what Kevin said up above.

  193. Tom P. says:

    Now both pitchers have settled down, and it will be good old fashioned baseball from here on out.

  194. Kevin says:

    Lmao. Bylsma #sanchezing :D

  195. pattonbb says:

    I’m a little late to the party. Did I miss anything?

  196. theplanisworking says:

    Back to Back HR’s to lead off the game by Tabby and Walker.


  197. Barb says:

    Not at all. A really “boring” game. Yawn.

  198. JRay3 says:

    Just your everyday Tabata lead off HR, only to be followed by the back to back job, Frankie retiring ten straight since giving up two out hit to Ludwick. Nah not too much.

    Liriano has thrown just 22 pitches the past three innings, starting to dominate.

  199. theplanisworking says:

    I am gonna put an APB out for your excitement meter. ;)

  200. JRay3 says:

    Pirates have stung a few balls without getting anything to show for it, Alvarez to a diving Phillips, Morneau out to RF, certainly measuring Latos up a bit.

  201. Kevin says:

    *wonders what Morneau said to Frankie on the walk back to the mound*

  202. Barb says:

    Trust me there is nothing wrong with the meter. It is working just fine

  203. JRay3 says:

    Pedro with a great AB and lines a single to RF, runners on the corners time to add on!

  204. theplanisworking says:

    Martin with a ribbie!

    3-1 good guys.

  205. Barb says:

    Let’s keep it going.

  206. pattonbb says:

    Tabby? Crap…..guess I have to stop the “anyone but Tabata” stuff.

    Has Latos hit McCutchen yet?

  207. theplanisworking says:

    Not yet.

  208. theplanisworking says:

    Great hustle by Mercer!

    4-1 good guys. :D

  209. JRay3 says:

    Mercer legs out a dribbler, 4-1 Buccos, are we having fun yet?

  210. Barb says:

    Kevin they heard you about run support.

  211. Lad 9 says:

    The Plan, the Plan! Good evening my friend. Lovely evening thus far in spite of that ugly bit of base running there.

  212. Kevin says:

    +1 YES!!

  213. Lad 9 says:

    Sho nuf am JRay trey!

  214. theplanisworking says:

    Cant be mad at martin……… he was just being agressive, and he did have an RBI.

    How are you this evening?

  215. Barb says:

    That’s what happens when you get 2 days off. The brain hasn’t been engaged yet.

  216. theplanisworking says:

    BOO !!

  217. Barb says:

    Double BOO! Is that a boo boo?

  218. theplanisworking says:

    Yes. ;)

  219. irishjim says:

    Every game is like a playoff game. Stressful and fun.

  220. Barb says:

    I don’t think my heart can take it.

  221. irishjim says:

    I hear you. I got shingles last week and the doctor said it was because of stress! I’m only 33!

  222. Barb says:

    That’s the way to do it Frankie.

  223. JRay3 says:

    Very big for Frankie to leave runner stranded in scoring position and allow just the one run there. Just need to keep battling with the bats.

  224. Barb says:

    I can sympathize about the shingles. Evil, evil disease.

  225. irishjim says:


  226. JRay3 says:

    Aramis Ramirez just hit a 3 run HR off of Shelby Miller and Brewers lead 3-1 Bottom of 1st!

  227. Barb says:

    Go Brewers. 2-1.

  228. theplanisworking says:

    :D !!!!!!!

  229. Barb says:

    Oops can’t count! :)

  230. bizrow says:

    What we need to do is count outs


  231. theplanisworking says:

    Nice double play!

  232. Barb says:

    Yes a pitcher’s best friend – DP.

  233. Kevin says:

    Yeeeeeeah!! Double play!

  234. theplanisworking says:

    Speaking of counting, how was Vegas?

  235. bizrow says:

    Down to 9

    Grind it out

  236. JRay3 says:

    Nothing sweeter than seeing Ludwick bounce into the 1-4-3 inning ending DP. Still can’t get over his performance when he played for the Bucs.

  237. irishjim says:


  238. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just chiming in from HS football game to say:

    I hate the Reds.

  239. Nate83 says:

    If I remember correctly he played well his first 20 games or so and then limped to the finish with the rest of the team.

  240. Barb says:

    Right back at ya brother.

  241. irishjim says:

    And, as much as it pains me to say it, I love the Brewers (this weekend anyway).

  242. JRay3 says:

    He hit .232 with a .670 OPS and 2 HR’s in 133 AB, I thought he dogged it quite a bit with us.

  243. JRay3 says:

    I second that JohninOshKosh!

  244. Barb says:

    It’s okay to love them this weekend.

  245. Nate83 says:

    It looks like the Aramis Ramirez trade is finally paying off.

  246. theplanisworking says:

    I hate asparagus. Does that count?

  247. Lad 9 says:

    Enjoying the game and beautiful fall evening.

  248. Jim S. says:

    Clint needs to think about starting to bat Martin 8th. I know he got the RBI single, but that was not well hit. He looks terrible at the plate. I think his bat is slow from all the wear and tear of 150 games at catcher.

  249. Barb says:

    Sure why not.

  250. florida steeler says:

    I don’t know why he is batting before Mercer???

  251. JohninOshkosh says:

    Lived among the Brewer nation for 18 years now. First time I’ve cheered with them. Feels weird but good. And most of them want the Bucs to win.

    Enjoy the game, all.

  252. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks. :)

  253. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks. :)

  254. Lad 9 says:

    Had them 20 years ago and I remember them well. Hope you feel better soon.

  255. Lad 9 says:

    You too Johnny Wisconsin

  256. JRay3 says:

    Seven solid, strong inning from Frankie tonight! Big performance on a big stage.

  257. bizrow says:

    Down to 6

    Its in our hands

  258. Lad 9 says:

    I just love how Liriano’s fastball tails away from right handed hitters. Awesome!

  259. theplanisworking says:

    Wear big gloves.

  260. Jim S. says:

    Good question. Martin would actually be a good #8 hitter. He’ll take his walks if they want to pitch around him.

    I’m not down on Russell Martin. It is just really tough for catchers to keep hitting all year without any extended breaks from playing. Molina has had a few breaks this year, and his bat looks pretty fresh. I don’t know that his knees are holding up too well, but his bat is still quick.

  261. Naje says:

    Yeah, Tabata’s a punkbum.

  262. JRay3 says:

    Second RBI for Jose Tabata who is having quite the night, big insurance run. Tabby making his case for more playing time.

  263. theplanisworking says:

    Tabata with another RBI.

    5-2 goods guys!!!

  264. pattonbb says:


    I’ve been trying to tell everyone he’s the answer in LF.


  265. The Gunner says:

    Tabby does it again!! Keep it coming, brother!!

  266. JRay3 says:

    Marte comes in and immediately runs the bases like Tabata.

  267. Patrick(ri) says:

    Good thing baserunning is moot tonight. So far.

  268. florida steeler says:

    Marte has really struggled in his return. No excuse for that bonehead play.

  269. florida steeler says:

    You are right.

  270. Patrick(ri) says:

    He is probably pretty sleepy, and still rusty. Probably won’t matter.

  271. Barb says:

    1000 Ks in a career. Congrats Frankie!

  272. theplanisworking says:


  273. Lad 9 says:

    To quote our resident hippo, Liriano is a great fielding pitcher. That is all

  274. Patrick(ri) says:

    Fine game from Liriano, especially against a team that has given him some trouble. Fun game!

  275. theplanisworking says:

    You got me there.

  276. JRay3 says:

    Has a 1.37 ERA at PNC this year, just dominant at home.

  277. pattonbb says:

    Frankie says relax.

  278. JRay3 says:

    A much deserved standing O for Frankie. Mowing the Reds down through eight.

  279. Kevin says:

    Any chance we see grilli? I know it should be shark mark.

  280. Jim S. says:

    It is hard to get 1,000 K’s. It truly is. Then, stop and think about Ryan and his, what, 5,500 or so?

  281. JRay3 says:

    Absolutely tired of this, Dusty and his team are bush!

  282. Barb says:

    Wow just wow. Cutch hit again.

  283. theplanisworking says:

    Cutch gets hit again, and a warning given, so The Pirates held hostage by the umps again!!!

  284. pattonbb says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, here’s your BS “both teams warned”.

    Dusty has to love this. Once again, he gets the best of it.

  285. JRay3 says:

    It is absurd…the Reds should have to pay the price and the umps don’t allow the game to police itself.

    Good for Clint for getting tossed and sticking up for his MVP!

  286. bizrow says:

    Hopefully Cutch is OK

    Burn the fire

    3 outs to go

    Count em down

  287. Naje says:

    Ridiculous call there… no need for a warning.

  288. Jim S. says:

    So, let me see if I have this straight. Choo diving over the plate, as he does every single at bat, and having a ball hit him, as it does on nearly every single at bat, equates to immediately nailing Cutch?

  289. JRay3 says:

    Best way to exact revenge, let’s get the sweep!

  290. Lad 9 says:

    Infuriating, then running Hurdle! I can not put on this family blog what I think of Dusty Baker. An absolutely loathsome excuse for a man.

  291. Kevin says:

    Bench clearing brawl in gm2, you heard it here first!! :D

  292. DJ says:

    How do they give us a warning on that?


  293. Barb says:

    You bet. What a bunch of punks. I HATE THE REDS.

  294. theplanisworking says:

    But he does it every time, and gets away with it with the help of the umps.

  295. Patrick(ri) says:

    The evidence, though circumstantial, is piling up and compelling. Whack the star in a game you are losing and he may be less effective in the next 5 games? Phillips, Votto & Bruce best not dig in. A chance for Grilli to see if he can get past 95 mph?

  296. Lad 9 says:

    Jim if Choo dove over the plate like that few years back against Bob Gibson, he wouldn’t need to shave for a week!

  297. Barb says:

    I have been watching Burnett. He is just taking this all in. Should be interesting tomorrow night.

  298. Barb says:

    Can you imagine what Bob Gibson would say to this umpiring crew.

  299. theplanisworking says:

    Cutch appears hurt.

  300. DJ says:

    AJ taking good notes.

  301. Pucknutz says:


  302. theplanisworking says:

    Gibson would throw at the umps !!!

  303. Barb says:

    +++++++ :)

  304. tdb1977 says:

    I dont think he is going to care if there are warnings issued tomorrow. He is going to get someone and get someone really good.

  305. DJ says:

    Best way to exact revenge is have the sweep well in hand, up by 6 or 7 by the top of the ninth on Sunday, and then drill one of their top players.

  306. DJ says:

    He better have the game well in hand by then or he’ll be out of the game.

  307. tdb1977 says:

    Byrd needs to tell Votto to Shut The #### Up by pointing to the scoreboard.

  308. Pucknutz says:

    Yes again, but not till about the 6th.

  309. Kevin says:

    Cutch tried to hurdle Phillips, I woulda tried to run him over.

  310. theplanisworking says:

    This Home Plate ump is really bad.

    Wonder if Dusty the racist has the umps in his back pocket?
    He CONSTANTLY gets away with this stuff!

  311. Steelag70 says:

    Cutch will be fine. :)

  312. Steelag70 says:

    This Buccos team is playing tonight like you are supposed to play in a pennant chase..)

  313. DJ says:

    I’m with you, but would like to see him get 7 (possible) or maybe 8 in (wishful thinking) before then.

  314. Barb says:

    Okay Mark let’s forget about the other night and mow them down.

  315. Steelag70 says:

    You know that Dusty will have Bailey nail someone early to take that opportunity away….he is a real jackass..

  316. DJ says:

    Would like to see Melancon establish a few inside fastballs tonight. Padres were leaning out over the plate on his cutters.

  317. theplanisworking says:

    Votto needs plunked before Dusty the jackass can do anything.

  318. Steelag70 says:

    Let’s go Shark!!

  319. Pucknutz says:

    3 run lead – get 2 outs- plink em !!

  320. diehard says:

    Start someone other than AJ tomorrow. Like Wilson. Skull the first batter, charge the dugout and go after Dusty. Classless guy. Home plate ump should be disciplined – Reds, again, hit the Pirates. Again Cutch. Again, up high. Pirates warned and Hurdle ejected. And Baker comes out to argue – about what? Baker should be gone.

  321. Barb says:

    He’s already been warned. Sheesh.

  322. pattonbb says:

    STFD Votto!!

    I hate Joey Votto.

  323. bizrow says:

    No, get the W

    Down to two

  324. Steelag70 says:

    STFD Joey!!

  325. DJ says:

    There ya’ go. Needs to move the righties back off the plate.

  326. theplanisworking says:

    + many.

    Get the plunk tomorrow.

    Down to 1.

  327. theplanisworking says:


  328. Barb says:

    MERCER………..Bring in Barmes.

  329. theplanisworking says:

    Mercer, what the ………………..???? !@#$%^&*()_=

  330. pattonbb says:

    yea, Barmes isn’t valuable to this team at all.

  331. Pucknutz says:

    I like that !

  332. DJ says:

    Not good, Mark. Think inside fastball on the righties.

  333. tdb1977 says:

    Pull Melancon NOW!!!! THis game is too important to let it slide away like this.

  334. Steelag70 says:

    Jeebus Jordy!!

  335. Lad 9 says:

    Agree. A ton. Come on Shark

  336. tdb1977 says:

    Wilson. Watson. Someone else NOW.

  337. Steelag70 says:

    Damnit Melancon…

  338. Steelag70 says:

    Fing great…

  339. theplanisworking says:

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME ???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  340. pattonbb says:

    good night.

  341. diehard says:

    Sorry, missed the RBI with a pathetic 8th inning at bat, boots the game ending grounder. Can’t wait until Pedro’s a DH.

  342. Kevin says:

    I guess our closer is solved. Get well soon Grilli!!!

  343. tdb1977 says:

    And they wait to long to pull f*ck*ng Melancon

  344. florida steeler says:

    Melancon has lost it–two in a row. Horrible fielding by Mercer and Pedro.

  345. Nancy52 says:

    I called for Watson as soon as they got that first hit.
    The Reds took a page from San Diego.

  346. Steelag70 says:

    Damnit…..what the hell is wrong with this team??!

  347. JRay3 says:

    If Mercer makes a routine play at SS game is over. Bucs need to find a way to win this one or this could be devastating.

  348. Patrick(ri) says:

    There should be a category for “blown saves” that are not really blown by the pitcher.

  349. irishjim says:

    Boston Melancon has reared his ugly head. 3 run lead blown. Closer needed apply within

  350. JRay3 says:

    Yep, really tough to pin this one on Mark tonight.

  351. DJ says:

    Another Western PA guy doing us in, a la Sid Bream.

    Cannot let this one get away.

  352. JRay3 says:

    Game is over if defense plays behind him.

  353. florida steeler says:

    I will be the first to ask and get criticized–Why was Liriano removed??

  354. Steelag70 says:

    Can’t blame Melancon for Mercer’s mistake…

  355. Kevin says:

    Yes, 2 misses by our D but you can’t give up 3 hits either.

  356. Nate83 says:

    I’m not seeing this as Melancon’s fault. He is out of the inning giving up no runs if the defense does their job. He gave up a soft single just over the second baseman and then made 8 great pitches against Mezarasco before the hit.

  357. Patrick(ri) says:

    Blame it on the “book.”

  358. JRay3 says:

    Nope he made the pitch that should have ended game.

  359. DJ says:

    And if Mercer eats that one instead of throwing we’re also good.

    You need to know before you throw that you can get it there and accurately.

  360. Kevin says:

    And another blown quality start.

  361. irishjim says:

    The closer should get strikeouts. He lets guys get on base every appearance suddenly.

  362. Nate83 says:

    I won’t criticize. I was fine either way because his pitch count was boarderline. Would have been nice to see him given a chance.

  363. Hell Unleashed says:

    Barmes should have been in the game in the 8th or 9th. This is why you have a Barmes.Brain dead managing…

  364. Steelag70 says:

    You have to win games like this…

  365. DJ says:

    Except the last one. Martin wanted it in and he left it over the heart of the plate.

    Not pinning this on Mark though.

    And they’ll be nothing to pin if we win.

  366. Patrick(ri) says:

    Lurking in the Red bullpen is . . .

  367. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Watson..

  368. DJ says:

    Maybe Hurdle puts him in.

  369. diehard says:

    And Pedro’s. How many more errors would Pedro have if our official scorer wasn’t so kind to him? 10? 12? Mercer cost one run, Pedro two. Both of them blew this one.

  370. JRay3 says:

    Holy……….Watson makes the play thought for sure that was going to be a hit. Win this thing NOW!

  371. Steelag70 says:

    Jeebus Watson….can ANYONE get the last out??!!

  372. Patrick(ri) says:

    It is ok, Tabata is due up . . .

  373. Nate83 says:

    That was not a error no matter who is the official scorer.

  374. JRay3 says:

    Pedro’s wasn’t an error or close to a routine play….he dove and had ball just deflect off his glove.

    Mercer with a good throw had runner by three steps. I know people like to hate on Pedro but can’t fault him on that play.

  375. Steelag70 says:

    Mercer needs to make amends…

  376. Steelag70 says:

    Marte actually…

  377. JRay3 says:

    Getting a routine bouncer to SS, come on these guys are major leaguers, that is why there are eight others in field with pitcher.

  378. florida steeler says:

    Snider–what a joke.

  379. theplanisworking says:

    Folks , what you have seen tonight is what seperates the experienced teams from the non-experienced.

    Dusty the Clown, deliberately had Cutch hit, knowing it would throw the Pirates off their game. Then, Votto got in Byrd’s head at first by jawing with him.
    Then, so-so pitching, horrible fielding, and wall-ah! Reds tie it.

    If the Pirates lose this game, they are toast.
    I simply cant believe they let the Reds play head games with them.
    Credit to that loser Baker, he has done this for years.

  380. Patrick(ri) says:


  381. Steelag70 says:

    Crap, not Jones…

  382. Patrick(ri) says:

    With the expected result.

  383. irishjim says:

    Keep trying to smack a HR bucs. Cincy will score again with small ball.

  384. Reading says:

    Not happy. ATBAMFA!

  385. Mrevo says:

    Strike out on pitch low and away? I can’t watch any more.

  386. DJ says:

    Mentally weak and hopefully gone after this season.

  387. Steelag70 says:

    Ok…have to get three quick ones here…

  388. florida steeler says:

    May not have been an error but that ball hit right in the pocket of his glove–he has got to make that stop–at least.

  389. Steelag70 says:

    Have to win this one…brewers up 4-3 on the Cards…

  390. Mrevo says:

    A team effort

  391. Cobra39 says:

    Oh well, that’s what great players do.

  392. defil21 says:

    My buddy and I said the same thing++++

    OMG WTF!!!!

  393. irishjim says:

    Or not. They actually hit one. Screwed.

  394. theplanisworking says:

    Good night.
    Season toast.
    Pray they can hold off Washington.

  395. DJ says:

    OK, gonna need you, Cutch.

  396. defil21 says:

    Don’t give up brother!

  397. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Plan….it’s only one game…

  398. Nate83 says:

    Why do you leave Mercer in the game and then don’t let him hit in the 9th. This is just a strange decision.

  399. Steelag70 says:

    Chapman is not invincible people…

  400. Cobra39 says:

    Against the Bucs…he pretty much is.

  401. florida steeler says:

    Because we have heavy hitting Snider and Jones–how pathetic were those moves??

  402. Nate83 says:

    We gave him his first blown save last year.

  403. DJ says:

    We’re just making it more dramatic for when we win it in the bottom of the 10th.

    Keep the faith!

  404. Hell Unleashed says:

    Pirates, why dost thou torture your fans so mercilessly? My eyes are bleeding, I can no longer watch…

  405. Nate83 says:

    Morneau’s next at bat would be a nice time to hit his first homerun as a Pirate.

  406. Jay H says:

    Back in the day, before baseball people got too smart for themselves, the starter finishes this game….same as the last blown save

  407. diehard says:

    Cutch is due up. What are the odds he gets at least buzzed up and in, and nothing happens to Chapman or Baker?

  408. Karen22 says:

    I’m going to puke.

    Good night.

  409. DJ says:

    There ya’ go.

    With Cutch lacing a triple to the right field gap just before him.

  410. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Farns…

  411. Jay H says:

    Ask yourself this – would Manny Machado have made that play?

  412. Thundercrack says:

    Dusty had Cutch because he thought we threw at his centerfielder

  413. Nancy52 says:

    Good night. I’ll read about it in the morning. Or not.

  414. Mrevo says:

    Why do we subject ourselves to this?

  415. Eric Bowser says:

    My dislike for Bylsma has grown….

    What the heck was he thinking tweeting Raise the Jolly Roger before the game was over?

  416. florida steeler says:

    This game is ALL on Mercer–Melancon seems to have lost confidence but he deserved better.

  417. Nate83 says:

    True or not this made me smile on a night when I haven’t smiled for the last 45 minutes. Thanks.

  418. Cobra39 says:

    This one hurts.

  419. irishjim says:

    This team has no sack.

  420. Hell Unleashed says:

    The Pirates snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…

  421. DJ says:

    Well, AJ wanted fans in the seats and the big stage. He gets it tomorrow.

    Big time pitchers come through. Here’s hoping he returns the favor on the Reds.

  422. florida steeler says:

    Two out of the last three games–TOTAL COLLAPSE by professional athletes.

  423. Steelag70 says:

    Look at this way…I figured the Buccos would win 2 out of 3 this weekend, so there is the loss…

  424. irishjim says:

    It was still 5-3 after that awful flyer. Melancon failed.

  425. Chuck H says:

    I’ve seen enough of Melancon to last through next season. Why the h— didn’t Hurdle
    let Liriano finish the game? He’s got to be the dumbest manager in either league. He put Marte in to run for Tabby and he got picked off. That’s it- they don’t want to win.

  426. JohninOshkosh says:


    Terrible, awful start to series. Glad I missed this one but I share in the pain.

  427. Reading says:

    Instead of getting set, and making an under control throw, Mercer basically made the same on the run throw Barmes makes. Wouldn’t have mattered which guy was in.

  428. florida steeler says:

    I hope you are right but, remember, Jeff Locke is pitching on Sunday.

  429. Mrevo says:

    Yep, he pickedthe perfect time to fall apart

  430. diehard says:

    Probably. Sano, maybe not.

  431. DJ says:

    What’s Ryan Ludwig hitting against us with the Reds?

    Could not hit a lick for us and has been torturing us ever since.

    At least that’s the way it seems.

  432. Jay H says:

    My point is great players make big plays at key moments in the game

  433. Reading says:

    Just like the Steelers D doesn’t have to let the other team march right down the field after a Steelers turnover, the Pirates needed to compensate for Mercer’s throw.

  434. Eric Bowser says:

    - After Martin’s RBI, he was absolutely terrible. Honestly, watch his at-bats, they were brutal to watch with the strikeout and double play. To say nothing of his moronic caught stealing between 2nd and 3rd on a missed bunt by Liriano.

    – McCutchen does nothing, doesn’t motion, doesn’t say anything…. ANYTHING towards their pitcher or Dusty Baker. Until McCutchen owns this, no one, not Hurdle, not Charlie Morton, no one will change the way the Reds are attacking him.

    – Baker owned Hurdle.

    – Hurdle getting thrown out was stupid. It served what purpose?

    – I made it clear in the 8th inning that I thought Liriano had enough to pitch in the 9th and once again, Hurdle mismanaged the game. Unacceptable. I don’t want to hear about how well he’s handle the bullpen this year… doesn’t matter right now. I’m talking about tonight. He failed and Hurdle can’t abandon his team like that again.

    – Melancon should have been able to get the save but Jordy Mercer felt the need to do his best 1992 Jose Lind…. Why was Clint Barmes not there?

    I HATE…. HATE the 9th inning.

  435. Reading says:

    If the Pirates drill a Reds guy in the 9th and lose, oh well. But to once again let them get away with it is unacceptable.

  436. The Gunner says:

    This was another bad decision by the manager. Liriano earned the right to at least start the 9th. This pitch count BS is starting to give me a rash. The players are probably starting to lose confidence in the manager’s decisions.

  437. DJ says:

    I thought the same thing about the buzz to Shin-Soo Choo.

    The crazy thing is that even up by 3, Baker then gets away with it, shakes his club up, rattles ours, and then wins the game.

  438. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Difference between a good team and a very good team. Nothing more than that. You can blame any number of things for the loss, but the fact is that the Reds have the capability of winning those types of games and the Pirates don’t. Pirates have been destined for 2nd wild card spot for about 2 months now. Anything can happen in that one wild card game, but would be a travesty not to get a home playoff game after the excitement they generated this season.

    Let’s go Bucs (and Brewers).

  439. DJ says:

    . . . Ludwick

  440. The Gunner says:


    This one is on one person: Clint Hurdle. And it is happening way too often. I think the players are losing confidence in CH.

    DK: Because of pulling Liriano?

    Better be sure.

  441. Nate83 says:

    I’m not sure why you think Barmes doesn’t make that same throw accurately.

  442. DJ says:

    Worst part about this one apart from the the loss is another wasted performance by Liriano.

  443. Reading says:

    Given the two blown saves this week, the Magic Number should be 2.

  444. J Walter Weatherman says:

    I didn’t watch the game (thankfully), but I’m reading a lot about the Cutch HBP. Does this shock anyone? If I remember correctly, AJ was the next pitcher up after the last time this happened and everyone thought he would send a message … and didn’t. Considering the situation, I smell a sequel. Nothing will happen and the Reds will win the bully battle. That’s the way it is. Bucs need to move on and win the battle on the scoreboard … that’s the way to kick Dusty in the nuts.

  445. Jay H says:

    In Hurdle’s postgame interview he was asked why Liriano didnt finish the game. Hurdle said Liriano came in after the 8th and said “That’s it.” I can’t believe an MLB pitcher with any fire in his gut says that in a game of this magnitude. Thoughts?


  446. chethejet says:

    Mercer rushed the throw and air mailed it. He actually has been pretty good at SS. Just a bad time to make such an error. Alvarez is not off the hook either, but the team just fell apart after that play. Perhaps they can learn from it but my guess they are in a fight for the last wild card if they don’t win tomorrow.

  447. Reading says:

    Maybe he does, but he’s airmailed a few of those as well.

  448. Reading says:

    At least one throw over to first or a pitchout would have been nice when everybody in the Western Hemisphere knew Hamilton was going to steal.

  449. Eric Bowser says:

    Not impressed by much of anyone tonight on that team.

    Hurdle has managed this team quite well but tonight… it was brutal.

    DK: What his most glaring error, Eric?

    Not disputing. Just asking.

  450. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Words can’t describe how tough that loss was.
    I was literally off the couch and counting it a victory as Mercer threw the ball away.
    A guy named Dusty Baker routinely instructs pitchers to hit batters with 90+ MPH pitches.
    People go to jail for lesser things than that…..

  451. Rob Scott says:

    Agree completely…How you dont pitch out the first pitch when Hamilton is on base just shows how unintelligent Bannister or whoever didnt call it is. Hamilton has run on the first pitch 7/9 times yet I knew that from my couch and of course nothing was done.

    This team has NO PEDIGREE and does not know how to win…They better hope the Nats lose at least 3 more since this team wont win more than 4 the rest of the way.

  452. Richard says:

    Melancon didn’t fail. This isonMercer. Make the damn throw and the game is over.

  453. Nate83 says:

    This is not on Hurdle and I have never been accused of being a huge supporter of his in game decisions. The players have to make plays. The Mercer play to end the game has to be made. I’m sure nobody feels worse then him about it. The young man has added a lot to this team this year. I’m disappointed about the loss but I’m not going to lose sight of what some of these players and managers have done for us all year. I really would have liked to see Jordy get a chance to bat in the 10th.

    The Reds had some good at bats in the 9th. They hits some good pitches and fouled off some good pitches. You can’t give a team 4 outs. They showed up to play the game and just couldn’t close it out. That doesn’t mean they won’t be able to close it out tomorrow.

  454. Nate83 says:

    Luckily if the Nats lose 3 we only have to win 1.

  455. PetroSteel says:

    For the first time in a long long time…I saw Sid Bream scoring and beating the Bucs a long long time ago. This one hurt! But this time, it didn’t end the season…Lets see what kind of team we have now. If it doesn’t kill you, he makes you stronger…Lets see how they respond. I’m confident! Go Bucs!

  456. Rob Scott says:

    There is no doubt the pirates get swept this weekend….especially with Locke pitching sunday, and if the Nats sweep the Marlins, no hard to task there it will be a magic number remaining of 4 and only a 3 game lead heading into final 6 on the road where the pirates are 18-22 over previous 40 road games. Just saying it shouldnt be this difficult.

  457. Reading says:

    Reds words mean nothing. About as trustworthy as 70s communist block judges, basketball refs, etc.

  458. Rob Scott says:

    Sadly I dont see the Nats losing more than 1. Sweep the fish this weekend, take 2/3 vs the Cards and sweep the mets. Bucos being 4-5 on this homestand is pathetic.

  459. Nate83 says:

    I really hope Mercer is out there again tomorrow. He needs to get back up on the horse. He is a very valuable piece to this team and needs to feel that way.

    That was a tough loss but this team has bounced back a few time this year and shown what they are made of. Let’s see if they can dust themselves off one more time. Big game for AJ tomorrow.

  460. BDHumbert says:

    BS – he is a pro – he is paid a lot of money to make pitches…

    I was at the game and he seemed to be doing exactly what he did against San Diego. This team is not agressive – they really don’t seem to give a crap. Too many stupid mistakes then nobody comes of the bench in reaction to Cutch getting nailed – what is the matter with these guys. I was ashamed to be a Pirate fan – given the long history of the Reds doing this crap someone should have gone into the dugout after Dusty – but nobody moved.

    Then the go quietly – nobody pissed – nobody throwing things – nobody breaking stuff.

    Don Hoak is ripping off his Pirate uniform.

  461. Naje says:

    How anyone can blame Hurdle for this loss is beyond me.

    Here’s something to think about:

    Mercer has taken a lot of instruction from Barmes this year… he’s made strides in his fielding. But a major issue for Mercer always was getting rid of the ball slowly, especially on routine plays. One of Barmes’ best attributes is getting rid of the ball very quickly, without much on it (especially when having to move a long way to get the ball), but finding the target at 1B.

    Mercer tried doing that in the 9th. But he didn’t have to. He rushed that throw, trying to do what Barmes has perfected.

    In this game, the ball finds the weakest link at the most critical times. And while Mercer has added production to the SS position that we haven’t seen in a long time, he’s just not a reliable SS yet…especially in pressure situations. He’s made his share of nice plays… but he’s also very skittish in the field.

    Sad to see that game end the way it did. But sometimes there’s a lot of junk you’ve got to get over before you truly break through.

    Think ’78 and the two home runs by Lerch…totally improbable. But, as Daq mentioned earlier today, it was the fuel for the ’79 title run.

    Here’s hoping…

  462. Nate83 says:

    You do know this is baseball. Teams just don’t run off 9 straight wins as if it is expected or a foregone conclusion. Don’t get me wrong it is possible but I wouldn’t be putting much money down on it happening.

  463. Naje says:

    Nate… he’s not valuable with his glove. He’s a liability. He’s just not dependable in the field. He’s certainly added production from the plate, but he’s not good enough with his glove. Not yet.

  464. Reading says:

    Technically, a Magic Number of 3 would at least clinch a tie with Washington. 4 eliminates them.

  465. BDHumbert says:

    I LOST CONFIDENCE IN THIS MANAGER’S decisions more than a year ago…

    But the players need to decide if they are mice or men. This crap with Dusty and the Reds is embarassing – they should be ashamed of themselves….

    Somebody should have headed for the Red’s dugout…

    Red’s are laughing tonight – and calling the Pirates Pussies.

  466. Thundercrack says:

    How did Hurdle mismanage this game tonight Eric? It was 5-2 in the bottom of the ninth. One out from victory.

    And how can you fault Hurdle for getting tossed? He is sticking up for his team and had every reason to argue

  467. Nate83 says:

    Extremely well thought out and worded post Naje. Thanks for bringing some reasonable insight to the game.

  468. BDHumbert says:

    You folks are delusional if you think Pedro’s play was even close to an error – I was there – I saw it in person. Brooks Robinson in his MAYBE saves a run or both.

  469. Reading says:

    Not only ex-Pirates killing us with troll hits, but Pennsylvania guys: Adams with STL, guy from SD and WVU, Punxatawney Devon, etc.

  470. Nate83 says:

    I don’t disagree. Just trying to stay positive about the guy who I’m sure will get plenty of critisism over the next day or two. Going forward his bat plays the next 3 or 4 years and his overall play has and will contribute. I am constantly defending Barmes as being important to this team. I’m not sure why he wasn’t playing in the 9th.

  471. Naje says:

    Yeah… I hear ya… really tough to take. Have an inkling that this will inspire Mercer to work hard, really hard, at his fielding skills this off season. I mean, he’s made tangible strides during the season… got a feeling he’s going to be a man possessed with improving his glove.

    He’s got to… just has to.

  472. Nate83 says:

    Getting tossed was absolutely the right move in that situation. Definately did not lose the trust of the team with that move. Unfortunate lose that took a lot of fluky things and some bad plays by the Pirates to lose. Can’t give 4 outs in the 9th and give away 2 outs on the basepaths like Marte and Martin did.

  473. Nate83 says:

    You would think but you also would think Despres would show up in shape. You just never know in sports.

  474. Rob Scott says:

    I am being realistic. No chance the Pirates win a game this series especially with Locke on Sunday. It would be nice if Mourneau could maybe hit the ball in the air once or twice in 3 weeks. Garrett Jones should be playing as he would certainly have more than 2 rbi in 3 weeks, in fact he already does.

  475. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Just speaking for myself ….I wouldn’t blame Clint Hurdle for anything.
    The guy has turned around one of the worst franchises in history.
    They went with their closer and lost.
    It’s as simple as that…..

  476. Eric Bowser says:

    7 times per Colin Dunlap Barmes replaced Mercer…. if you go into that defensive replacement, look at our defensive positioning, chest thumping mode all year… then I’d say failing to bring in your best defensive middle infielder to play shortstop in the 9th inning was a pretty big mistake by Hurdle. So for Hurdle to sit in that room after the game and just bold face lie on tv in front of the fans and those media assembled was shameful. Yet, I don’t expect much to be said about that one. He’s done a good job for most of the year, he’s not having the greatest week. That can’t happen at this time of year.

    Not please that Liriano had nothing left after 94 pitches spread out over 8 innings…

    Not pleased that even with Hurdles mistake that Jordy Mercer can’t make a simple play to set his feet and throw over, wasn’t like Billy Hamilton was running up the first base line.

    Then there’s replacing Tabata with Marte and for the second time in what a week, he gets picked off first base against a LH reliever. That’s poor coaching to have Marte prepared for his role in that situation. That’s on Marte, Hurdle, and anyone else on that staff.

  477. Naje says:

    Fuel for next year’s fire…

    But we’re not done yet.

  478. Eric Bowser says:

    He’s not teflon… if you can praise him for his solid moves this year, which he has… he should wear the stripes of failure as well.

  479. Ghost says:

    Seconded. Been catching up here and you two are the only ones making sense. I’m a little more positive on Jordy — it’s just that his error is what is glaring *tonight.* That, and the fact that hitters just might be figuring Melancon out. Two bad outings is too short a sample, but this bares monitoring. The way the Reds beat him looked a lot like the way the Padres just did.

  480. Naje says:

    Tough to blame him here. He was tossed by an incompetent umpire who should have either immediately ejected LeCure or just let it go. Baker is a punk manager. And his punk style will never get rewarded in the long run.

    Hurdle gets tossed and players miss opportunities and Mercer makes a really bad error… as bad as Marte’s dropped ball in St. Louis. It’s pretty clear Hurdle has put this team in position to win over and over and over again. Failures such as tonight’s–clearly the fault of one player failing to make a play and then a pitcher failing to get an out–go directly to the source: the players.

    But Hurdle will deflect the blame and the finger pointing and take all the criticism. He knows what he’s doing.

  481. Naje says:

    His cutter is awesome… but it’s been figured out. He’s got to bust hitters inside a little more often for that pitch to end up a weak-ish ground out to 2nd or 1st rather than allowing a good swing that gets the ball into RF.

    It’s Melancon that has to pitch backwards now… he’s been getting ahead with that cutter and he may have to go to a breaking ball or run the fastball under the fists to help set up his cutter.

    I’m pretty sure he’ll do that.

  482. Ghost says:

    Only when he’s responsible for bad decisions. If Liriano said he was “done,” then he was done. Turning the game over to our All-Star closer was also hardly a bad decision, whether it was decided by him, the bench coach, or whoever. I’m not ready to assign Hurdle the blame for this loss any more than I’m assigning it to Liriano.

  483. Ghost says:

    Really well said.

  484. Nate83 says:

    I didn’t see the post game press conference so I’m not sure what bold face lie you are talking about but Hurdle wasn’t around to make the decision on who played in the 9th. It sounds like Liriano himself decided he was done. I personally think it is almost completely on Marte. He is the player. He has stolen more then 30 bases this year. He knows what to do in that situation. He just didn’t execute.

    I’m not a Hurdle apologist. I actually have been called the opposite. This one was completely on the players not being able to execute. It happens. It’s frustrating. They have won some games this year because of other teams not executing. All you can do is put it behind you and come out and play tomorrow or if your a fan root for them tomorrow.

  485. Naje says:

    Yeah… just saying Hurdle will take the blame…he’ll deflect it from the players. But Liriano was finished and the manage did what he was supposed to do.

    When the team went up 5-2 (should have been 6 or 7), I wrote on the other blog that the pitchers have to win it.

    They didn’t. Albeit with a lot of help from others.

  486. Ghost says:

    It wasn’t an error. But it wasn’t what a sound 3rd baseman does either. If Pedro holds onto the ball, instead of letting it pop out of his glove like an amateur, Hamilton doesn’t score and Pirates most likely win. That you were there at the game does not impress. We at home saw the play very well and also have the advantage of broadcast slo-mo replay, as well as pause and more replay. Again, not an error. But very Pedro-like below the bar result.

  487. WVStarship says:

    Actually, Tanner had a lot to do with Lerch hitting those 2 HRs that day. It was Candelaria’s turn in the rotation for that Saturday game but for some unknown reason Tanner decided to pitch Don Robinson on 3 days rest.

    Don had pitched on 3 days rest only one other time that year and was totally ineffective in that one game.
    So, Stargell hits a GS in the first inning, spotting Donnie a 4 run lead–and the rest is history, Final score 10-8 Phils.

    There’s no doubt in my mind that we win that Saturday game with Candy pitching. Who knows what would have happened next . This is still the greatest example I know of a manager outsmarting himself.

  488. Nate83 says:

    He’s gotten some balls up. If he keeps it down players can still try to take him the other way but they more often then not will ground out to second.
    Some balls have been hit well but a majority of the hits he is giving up are just finding holes. Some hitters have had some very good at bats against him the last few outing. Fouling off and wasting his really good pitches and waiting for a slight mistake.

    His cutter is good enough when located to always get out. Everyone has known for over a decade what Mariano Rivera is pitching and they still can’t make solid contact.

  489. Nate83 says:

    Agree Naje. I wanted him to come up and in on Mazarasco to get the 3rd strike. I think he only came inside once in that at bat.

  490. WVStarship says:

    I think Hurdle’s a liar.

    And I know that DK’s a shill for Nutting.

  491. BDHumbert says:

    I guess I need some help understanding what a manager and pitching coach get paid for…

    San Diego clearly had a plan on how to attack Melancon. And the Reds adopted it. Would you not expect the pitching coach and/or manager to say, hey – we aren’t stupid, we will adapt.

    What the heck were all the data guys doing?

    To run Melancon out there tonight without a “fix” was asking for exactly what we got – and THAT is on Hurdle.

    If Liriano was “done” then why not Watson or Farnsworth if you have not fixed the Melancon problem.

  492. Nate83 says:

    This is either funny or sad.

  493. diehard says:

    A third baseman with half decent footwork has a chance at making that play. Pedro drops to a knee and tries to grab the ball when it is past him. If he moves sideways instead of down maybe, yes, maybe, he knocks it down. Maybe not – but his flopping method of fielding is awful. On the occasions where he actually catches the ball doing it, it looks great, but it’s still a needless flop and a fundamentally horrid technique.
    And for anyone who ever thinks he’ll be a functional first baseman, he has terrible footwork and stone hands. His only defensive attribute is his arm.

  494. Ghost says:

    Cards pull out win against Brewers in 10th. But it is interesting to note that their closer, Mujica, also blew the lead in the 9th inning, and did the same thing just the day before.
    There are still eight games to go, folks. Anything can still happen. Nobody ever said this was going to be a walk in the park.

  495. diehard says:

    Anyone watch the postgame on ROOT? Talking about Cutch getting hit – for the 4th time by the same team near the head – Teke looked like he was going to start spurting blood out of his eyes. I was glad to hear him say what I’ve been telling people for years – EVERY team Dusty Baker has managed has done this. When they’re in trouble, they throw at people’s head. Cubs dud it. Giants did it. Reds do it. Teke said the league needs to take some drastic disciplinary action at some point, to which I definitely agree. Hopefully it’s done before one of our players gets seriously hurt. My confidence in Bud Selig tells me that that action will be to suspend Hurdle or someone on the Pirates who finally retaliates.

  496. Ghost says:

    The “Melancon Problem,” if such a thing does really exist, would only be two games old. After last night, it was only one game. We DO need to keep an eye on this and I’m sure Melancon, Martin, Searage, et al. are having far more informed conversations, as we speak, than any of us can dream of. But if we deep-sixed every pitcher who had a bad outing we’d have no one left to pitch except Josh Harrison. Baseball is a game of adjustments. The Pirates will get this right.

  497. diehard says:

    I agree with that – and Pedro didn’t. Same as he didn’t with two on in the 8th. Looked at a clear 3rd strike.

  498. Ghost says:

    You have a false memory of that game. The Pirates never had a four-run lead. The Phillies drew first blood, scoring in the top of the first. And Robinson only gave up two more runs, the two solo shots by Lerch. When Robinson left after five complete innings, the Pirates were still winning, 4-3. Robinson was not “totally ineffective in that one game.” It was the bullpen that then proceeded to give up seven runs.
    But thanks for misrepresenting Chuck Tanner, Robinson, and Pirate history.

  499. BDHumbert says:


    I don’t think we basically disagree. My beef is there is no sense of urgency – I don’t want panic, I want a team that says we have an opportunity to be special and we are willing to go the extra mile to take advantage of that opportunity. I have lived through twenty years of losing – and more importantly the last two years of late season collapses. Any Pirate fan who thinks he has been well served by these players and this management after whining about how many butts are in seats and then putting on a performance like I got to see first hand tonight deserves to be taken advantage of. I know DK thinks the fans are not living up to their end of things – but to see this team fold like it did tonight makes me want to keep my money in my pocket and watch the game on Root.

    I won’t act rashly – but I am considering canceling my season tickets – and my post season strip unless these guys take responsibility and show some backbone.

  500. Thundercrack says:

    So it is Hurdle’s fault that Marte got picked off?

  501. Thundercrack says:

    I was at the game tonight and I have to admit that this was a heartbreaker.

    Lead into the 9th against your biggest rival…one out away.


  502. Ghost says:

    My area had the Reds broadcast. The Reds announcers didn’t think LeClure wanted to hit Cutch in that situation (just repeating what they said), but they also thought the ump was in the wrong to give Hurdle a warning and that Hurdle had every right to be angry about that.
    I have no way of knowing if Dusty was behind that or if we simply witnessed an accident. But either way, I say we put Farnsworth in as tomorrow’s SP and let him bean the crap out of the Reds’ leadoff batter. The Reds already know what happens to batters that charge Farnsworth (see: Wilson, Paul.) :)

  503. BDHumbert says:

    What exactly is it that coaches and managers do to earn their salary….


    Let me suggest that there was one manager at PNC last night who earned his salary. It was the one who found his team down 3 runs and looking pretty lame. He decided to stir things up a bit – “why not nail the guy all this idiots are chanting MVP for” – if it doesn’t work what have we lost – if it turns out that we expose the purported MVP as a spineless WUS and his team as even worse then maybe we win this game and get inside their heads – hell, it worked when we did it the last two years – why not give it a go…

    The “other” manager left the guy he says is a great defensive shortstop on the bench for the ninth inning. He pinch ran with a very good base stealer who he has seen picked off twice now in the last ten days. He saw the Reds do the San Diego shuffle with his closer and waited to bring in the only other option in the bullpen until the game was tied.

    And oh, BTW – he continues to slot a great guy in the cleanup slot who has yet to hit a home run and has 3 RBIs since coming over in a trade – don’t get me wrong – I was all for the Morneau trade – and I like him – but Byrd should be batting clean up and Alvarez fifth and Justin sixth…

  504. Thundercrack says:

    Still haven’t explained how it is the manager’s fault that Marte got picked off first base.

  505. BDHumbert says:

    I am sorry – If you believe that Dusty did not order the hit on Cutch – and that Leclure executed those orders than you must let me show you this bridge I have for sale…

    And Dusty has a history of this crap…

  506. Ghost says:

    Fans like you that paid the fare and went out to support the team are certainly doing your share. And you got a raw deal, tonight. A great pitching performance by Liriano was ruined. But what I will say is that I don’t get the sense the players don’t feel the urgency, as much as I think there were some deer-in-the-headlights moments. Jordy and Pedro came up short when it counted. Martin got stolen on; not only by Hamilton, but by Phillips. Melancon definitely came up short. We’ll see tomorrow how the team responds to having this game snatched away from them. A.J. will give us six. Hopefully, Clint will have the bullpen already warmed up before recent history repeats itself in the seventh.

  507. BDHumbert says:

    I am sorry – let me be direct!

    Managers and coaches are there to help players learn how to NOT GET PICKED OFF.

    Marte is a great talent – but he made the same mistake in the last ten days or so – WHY DID HE MAKE IT AGAIN…

    Watch the tape – work with the player – fix the problem – that is what I expect from folks getting the kind of money Hurdle and his staff get. BTW – the same applies to Melancon.

  508. diehard says:

    At this point in Dusty Baker’s career it has happened too often for it not to be considered a pattern. Did he mean to throw at Cutch’s head? Again – it’s happened all too often against Dusty’s teams for that not to be considered. Watch tomorrow night. If we don’t throw in on one of theirs, the Reds will do it (if the Pirates are ahead) so that both teams get warned again and we can’t get back at them.
    Farnsworth v. Wilson – Amen to that.
    Whether someone gets nailed or not, this team needs to come out with fire Saturday night.

  509. Ghost says:

    If I can get to own the Clemente Bridge, just tell me where to sign! :) (;))

  510. Ghost says:

    You and BD may be in the right, re: Baker. Believe me, I have no use for him. Somebody ought to bean him in the toothpick and lodge it into his adenoids.

  511. Ghost says:

    I better get to sleep. Kid’s got an 8 am game; gotta be at the field by 7.
    But one last thought, an upbeat one: The partnering of Liriano with Martin couldn’t have gone more smoothly. Two pros equaled eight fine innings of work. Bodes well for them teaming up again in October.

  512. BDHumbert says:


    Thanks for that – made me smile…

    I am still steaming – but I do know we have been pretty lucky in the Burgh – we get to see a lot of meaningful games in a lot of sports. Not sure any city of our size does much better. Unfortunately we also have a heritage of heroes…

    What I saw tonight would not have been dealt with the same way by a Pirates team with Clemente, Groat, Hoak, and others.

    Or a Steeler team with Ham, Lambert, Green, Bradshaw, Shell, and Wagner.

    We will see how this plays out – hopefully I am wrong and overly pessimistic – nothing would make me happier.

    But probably the best thing that will come from this season is that a few of those young men in Pirates uniforms will decide they have had enough of this crap.

  513. tomp says:

    It is going to be real strange to have to root for the Cardinals to win this week.

    No way the Pirates claim this division now.

    A road wild card game is their only hope to make the playoffs.

    What a fantastic season they have had, but it is going to be a terrible last 8 games, i do believe.

    I see them losing(if not getting swept this series).
    Losing at least 2 vs the Cubs.
    And to top of the humility, getting swept by the Reds next weekend, only to either miss the playoffs by a game, or getting their collective butts kicked(and out-managed), in that 1 game wild card playoff game.
    I don’t see any other scenario, on how this season will end.
    The loss Friday night, is going to have a negative effect, which they won’t be able to come back from.
    Clint Hurdle, ahh, never mind!!.

  514. cmat0829 says:

    OK, folks, I’ll bite… does anyone seriously think you hit a Reds batter in the 9th inning, leading by 3 runs? I’m for putting that sleazebag Dusty Baker in his place but the game is most important. Too bad the error made a mess of things, I’m heartbroken over the loss, but I’ll be back tomorrow, rooting for the Pirates to win.

    AJ needs to be careful, can’t afford to have him ejected in the 1st inning. Maybe he slips on the mound and hurles one at Dusty Baker’s ugly mug?

  515. Ghost says:

    “And for anyone who ever thinks he’ll be a functional first baseman…”
    Umm, why do I feel all eyes are on me, now…

    I think Pedro will be fine at first. Half the trouble he gets into is with his errant throws. Those will be dramatically reduced. Yes, he will have to learn to pick. But there’s already some of that at any base position. He’s 6’3” so his wing span will be good. He has more quickness than I realized. He’s just not going to be Don Mattingly vacuuming up everything in his neighborhood. But I think Petey can be a middle-of-the-pack 1st bagger. Which beats whatever place among 3B-men he is currently.

    His bat has been finding the ball, these last two games. I’ve seen some promising trends with his approach at the plate this month, but more on that another day soon.

  516. cmat0829 says:

    that is a load of BS. to think that retaliation is more important than winning essentially a playoff game? B.S.

  517. cmat0829 says:

    ok rob, so let me get this straight. there is “no way” the Pirates win a single game of the next 2; meanwhile it’s a ‘sure thing’ that the Nats will sweep the Marlins the Mets AND take 2 of 3 on the road in St Louis. Glad you bring logic and facts to the blog, it’s a good balance to have that type of perspective. Thanks.

  518. cmat0829 says:

    Boo, hiss… I’d rather the blog be dominated with fire-breathing knuckledraggers who are sure the Bucs will lose all the rest of their games, Hurdle is responsible for every bad thing that has happened on the Earth (or will happen in the next century), and every single play tonight they ‘hindsighted’ their way to criticize every player or coach involved.

  519. cmat0829 says:

    Humbert, can you give me specific examples tonight of this team ‘not showing the sense of urgency’ you require? What concrete things can this team do tomorrow to show that vital, and seemingly absent, ‘sense of urgency’? I doubt it, but give it a try.

  520. cmat0829 says:

    wasnt tanner’s fault. It was Hurdles.

  521. cmat0829 says:

    KEEP THE FRIGGIN FAITH. This young team has fought and scrapped all year to put themselves in position that no Buccos team in 20 years has been close to…the same players that fell short tonight — not for lack of effort but as Melancon said “no one’s perfect” — have been so very good this year.. we tend to forget all of the good games, the game-winning hits, the lights-out closing of games, the slick fielding…all of that goes down the drain with one error, a few blown saves, etc.

    This team puts it all out there and will do so again tomorrow. And I for one will be throwing my full support behind this team — it is not time to jump off the bridge, it’s time to rally the troops.. to battle the beast…to put Dusty in his place…and to RAISE THAT JOLLY ROGER tomorrow night.

  522. BDHumbert says:

    Well let’s begin with Melancon…

    It seemed to me that he was doing what the definition of insanity is – doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. His cutter away to right handers is not going to work without mixing in some other things – after the Mercer error I did not see a lot of other things.

    Then let’s get to the emotion – fire – energy thing. I thought I saw a lot of that from the Reds – they seemed engaged. Maybe it is just the personality of the players we have, but there was no energy – lots – strolling off the field as if this was just another day at the ball park. I am all for the “look like you have been there before” thing – but there are times when you need to show some passion – did not see one ounce of that tonight.

    But the big problem I have is that Cutch gets nailed and we have a lot of guys at the rail jabbering – not one of them went out onto the field – not one of them headed for the Reds dugout – just a bunch of birds on a wire chirping – I thought it was pathetic.

    And I think AJ owes the fans an apology for dumping on us for not filling up the seats on a weekday night in September – not sure what the attendance was tonight – but it was probably close to a sellout. We showed up – too bad the players didn’t

  523. BDHumbert says:

    But that’s the problem – they did not “put it all out there” – they folded after Cutch got nailed. The Pirates of Clemente and Stargell would have kicked ass after something like that. This team went meekly into the night and the Reds and their fans are laughing at the Pirates and Pirate fans.

  524. Reading says:

    That’s the difference. Cards blow a save, but find a way to win anyway. Pirates blow a save, ballgame, put one in the L column.

  525. Reading says:

    The one error and a few blown saves may be the difference between the Pirates hosting the Wild Card game and playing in Cincinnati, or watching the Nats play the Reds with the Pirates watching at home. These last regular season games are, for all intents and purposes, playoff games. Like the guy in Officer and a Gentleman who freaks out at 35,000 feet in the pressure simulator, errors and blown saves in these critical games can’t happen ever.

  526. Reading says:

    Unfortunately, this great season is going to be tarnished by the Pirates dropping 6 of their last 7 home games. Should never had happened.

  527. The Gunner says:

    Just my opinion, DK. Hindsight is 20-20. Liriano should have at least gone out for the 9th.

    Hopefully, tonight will be better!

  528. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was there last night. That last inning was brutal. Close to 1992-esque with the lead and error. Didn’t hear the attendance # but it was packed, and passionate.

  529. Nate83 says:

    I’m glad you got to see the game. What an awesome experience even though they lost. It was a very tough loss. I can’t imagine the roller coaster ride off emotions of actually being at the game. I can’t imagine how the players feel after a game like that. But the Pirates have fought back all year.

    I can’t believe how many are posting how confident they are the Pirates will only win one game the rest of the year while the Nats will only lose one. It may just be the most illogical thing I’ve ever heard. Sure it could happen but to say that you don’t see any other result possible just seems odd.

  530. WVStarship says:

    Just found out that my niece and her husband were there. They ALWAYS lose when he goes the to game. I sent my niece a terse message: KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE PIRATES!! :)

  531. WVStarship says:

    An ‘awesome experience’? Sounds like you’re the one’s that odd.

  532. Nate83 says:

    It hasn’t happened yet. You shouldn’t count the next two games losses any more then you should have counted last night a win in the beginning of the ninth.

  533. Kruzer31 says:

    Nats end the season at Arizona. They are done with the Mets.

  534. Arriba Wilver says:

    Funny you should mention that. I was there with family, including my sister, and I was very confident after we were up 5-2 we had it. She said that I shouldn’t get too confident yet, because she had been at the Weds game (Melancon’s previous blown save). So, I’m going to suggest she sit out the rest of the season, too. ;-)

  535. Naje says:

    Let her agonize with the TV, AW…:-)

  536. Rob Scott says:

    Come back next Wednesday and see how accurate I am.

  537. Tom P. says:

    With 8 games left, the Pirates magic number to clinch the second wild card spot is 4 (vs. Nationals), to host the wild card game is 9 (vs. Reds), and to win the division is 12 (vs. Cardinals).

    The Pirates have had tough losses before. Jay Bruce homered off Grilli to tie the game at 1 in the ninth, and the Pirates lost in extra innings. Starling Marte’s drop, and the Padres game earlier this week. Each time, the Pirates won the next game.

    I have called them resilient before. Let’s see if the resilience shows up again.

  538. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    The Window is going to be out for most of today,
    so I will need someone to re-post this for me once the game thread is up.
    Thanks as always.
    You all ROCK!!


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Tonight’s Line
    Total ATTENDANCE at PNC Park for tonight’s game
    Line is 38,401

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Wild Card Magic Number: 4

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23


  539. Baywatch says:

    There’s got to be a morning after ~ Melissa Manchester

  540. JohninOshkosh says:

  541. Thundercrack says:

    Or your sister needs a new hat.

    I know I need one.

  542. Arriba Wilver says:

    Need to add some gibberish, John. ;-)

  543. JohninOshkosh says:

    Forgot! Distracted by my kids. Next time! :)

  544. phil says:

    It was actually Maureen McGovern….

  545. JohninOshkosh says:

    AW: What was it like leaving the stadium ? How was the crowd ? Fatalistic, defeatist, we’ll get ‘em next time ? Hostile at Clint ?

  546. Reading says:

    Says you.

  547. Has anyone heard from Hasty Bob?

    Was there a report of someone jumping off the Mount Washington observation deck after Mercer’s error in the 9th?

    And he can’t even blame this on Manager of the Year Clint Hurdle, because he was kicked out in the 8th!

    Hasty Bob might jump off the observation deck, then pull himself over to the Smithfield Bridge and jump again, or at least lay down on the train tracks.

  548. Reading says:

    Maureen McGovern.

  549. JohninOshkosh says:

    I don’t get the hostility today toward Clint on the blog. He did all the managerial things-argued the ridiculous warning to the Pirates and got thrown out. That umpire needs a fine. You are a pro, sir, act like one!

  550. BDHumbert says:


    Then I guess I have been privy to two “awesome” experiences – the first sitting in the left field stands at AFC Stadium and watching Sid Bream – Sid FRIGGIN Bream round third while Barry made what for him was a pretty good throw…

    And that was made possible by another infielder error…

  551. Bob’s in his 70’s, Groaty. I don’t think he’d ever panic over the outcome of a baseball game he had no control over.

    I know you’re joking, but his disdain for Hurdle and Barmes and Presley love aside, he has things in perspective I believe.

    Now does anyone know of any high bridges in KY?


  552. Thundercrack says:

    After the game I went to one of the bars across the street from PNC Park.

    Pirates and Reds fans in there watching the TVs – -and cheering for the Brewers to beat the Cardinals.


  553. BDHumbert says:

    The mood leaving was mostly stunned – folks just could not believe what they had just seen. A lot of negatives directed at the ump – not just for the warning – but some pitch calls that were pretty bad. Clint got his share – as did Mercer and Melancon.

    I actually think Clint did one of those “I am staying out here until you toss me things” and asked which of the magic words the ump would prefer he use to make it happen.

    And don’t believe for a second that Clint did not make the decisions after he was tossed – hard to keep him from talking to folks wandering back and forth between the clubhouse and dugout….

  554. Dave G says:

    From “The Poseidon Adventure.”

    A movie about a sinking ship.

  555. Arriba Wilver says:

    At the risk of being ostracized, I left after the end of the 9th because I had to get home to meet my son.

    But standing there during the 9th I was struck how much it sounded like the blog. A lot of cheering, and a lot of complaints that Melancon was still in after the error, and Barmes should have been in, etc. but no complaints about PH’ing Snider and Jones, until after they didn’t deliver. A lot of pacing, though.

  556. Arriba Wilver says:

    But not complaints about Clint specifically. Most knew he had been tossed, I think.

  557. 100 on the under.

    And AP would fly out weakly to rt field…

  558. Dave G says:

    Well, if you stood on the Brent Spence Bridge over to Cincinnati long enough you probably wouldn’t even have to jump. It’ll fall by itself.

  559. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks for the insight from you and BDHumbert below. The only way I can judge fan feelings is from the blog. Nice to get a feel from the park.

  560. Thundercrack says:

    You know what…I completely forgot about those two pathetic pinch hitters

  561. Baywatch says:

    ALWAYS got those two mixed up!

  562. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks. I was just confused a bit at people slamming Clint.

    BTW, Son>Pirates so no judgment from me!

  563. Baywatch says:

    Pinch-History soon, the two of them!

  564. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks, BD. I agree Clint probably was looking to get tossed after some point. I just don’t think the Pirates bench deserved to me warned. Plus, Marty Brennamen (sp?) with his call was insufferable.

  565. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was, too, John, I was too, but I only saw that in here afterwards. But that’s just what I heard, through the 9th.

  566. Reading says:

    “The End of the World”- Skeeter Davis.

  567. Arriba Wilver says:

    I didn’t get the impression there was any mass exodus after the 9th, did you, TC? Certainly some, like me, but people on the whole, no, they stuck around. Just something that struck me.

  568. Arriba Wilver says:

    BTW, the lead singer on this video has to have the worst moves I’ve ever seen on a music video. Embarrassing. :-)

  569. Karen22 says:

    “Eve of Destruction” – Barry McGuire

  570. Good point, Dave, but I’m almost 4 hours from there in south-central KY.

    I’d change my mind by the time I got there.

  571. BDHumbert says:

    As I watched Snider and Jones continue to disappoint I got into a discussion with another fan on what next years team should look like…

    In addition to those two, I would see them adding a left hand hitting first baseman – there are some possibles in the minors – but probably a year away.

    Tabatha is frustrating, but is actually relatively cheap and probably not a lot of value in a trade – so he is probably useful off the bench as a fourth outfielder.

    Tony S baring some catastrophe looks like a good everyday catcher – and potential star. I would actually have gone with him last night-the hot hand. I like Martin – but think he has worn down as the year went on…

    The wait for Polanco to join the future HOF outfield is probably a year – or more, so finding a power bat for a year or two to hold his spot is probably a good use of the salary budget.

    The pitching staff is where there is good news – some new arms for next year – and some depth for the future. If AJ retires it will make things a bit tougher – but the talent seems to be in place – not like in years past.

  572. Karen22 says:

    Hubby & I both awoke, shell-shocked, this morning and said simultaneously: “Let’s watch a movie tonight.”

    We’re not watching the rest of this series. We just can’t. Doesn’t mean we won’t be rooting (and PRAYING). But last night’s 2nd deja-vu collapse in two days, coupled with the umpteenth deja-vu beaning of our MVP by the THUG manager of a THUG team has just done it for me. As in…I’m done. I feel violated and won’t enable that to continue.

  573. I know folks have to have someone to blame . . . .
    And I know folks think Dusty Baker is the Antichrist . . . .

    And I was not at the game, just listening on the radio . . . .

    But does anyone who knows sports really believe that Dusty Baker had his pitcher intentionally hit McCutch on a 1-2 or 2-2 count . . . with a CURVE BALL?!

    Logic tells me:
    1/ you don’t wait until you have 2 strikes on a guy to hit him
    2/ you never intentionally hit a batter with a curve

    Either Bob Walk recognized the spin and the speed completely wrong,
    or everyone is going bonkers about the McCutch HB over nothing.

  574. BDHumbert says:

    I was surprised too by the crowd sticking around – it was a lot quieter – and the noise was more grumbling and less energy. I thought at one point the fans were just in shock – could not move to leave – sort of like watching a car wreck in slo-mo

  575. If Hasty Bob has things in perspective, he is a better man than I am!

  576. Didn’t the Padres bean him a couple times, too?

    I think potential MVP’s are gonna be pitched inside.

    Besides, Baker will be Baker and they have to deal with it like men or cower under, either one. I’m not defending him, but he must be dealt with maturely not as punks like him.

  577. Thundercrack says:

    It wasn’t a mass exodus AW, but I was surprised at the number of people that left in the 9th and 10th.

    When the game ended it felt like I was surrounded by more Reds fans

  578. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was there, and I do, Groat. You forgot they were down 5-2 at the time in the bottom of the 8th. 3-2? maybe not. Something to shake things up? And a walk for Cutch is sometimes better than the alternative. Nothing to lose, in a sense. At least that’s my “logic.” That being said, I think Clint’s issue was more in being warned and not letting baseball take its course.

  579. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree with you, BD, more shock than anger, but some grumbling.

  580. Wilver Dornel,

    I’ve followed and played a lot of baseball.

    Never heard of intentionally hitting a batter with a curve.
    I think we are giving Antichrist Dusty Baker way too much credit.
    That phobia is on us!

    Did you think Liriano threw at Chew’s head intentionally in the top of the 8th?
    I didn’t.
    Pitches get away———especially curve balls.

  581. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t know whether it was a curve or not, and I don’t think Dusty’s the AntiChrist, but to ignore his history is also foolish, in my view.

  582. Thundercrack says:

    Dusty may have told his pitcher to hit the batter…and he left what type of pitch ( curve, fastball) up to the pitcher.

  583. Arriba Wilver says:

    And how can you tell it’s a curve when it hits him near his head?

  584. I’m with you 100 % there.

    But I just don’t think Baker is very smart. Certainly not smart enough to fein innocence with a “Curve ball hit.”

    I don’t want to give him credit if he just happened to stub his toe on the treasure chest.

  585. BDHumbert says:

    What’s the saying…

    “It isn’t paranoia if they are really out to get you!”

    All of you folks who are pointing to the count – and the type of pitch are falling into Dusty’s trap – this guy has a history of doing this. He IS NOT going to tell his pitcher to hail Cutch – or any Pirate – with a fastball on the first pitch…

    The idea is to get inside the Pirates heads – and it worked – it has before and it will again until we find our “Don Hoak” or Willie Stargell – imagine what Starg would have done in last night’s situation!

    So Dusty tells his pitcher to shake things up – the pitch on replay at home was a perfect guaranteed to hit the batter pitch – throw at the shoulders – heads – hips – legs can be moved out of the way – but a pitch chest high is likely to get the reaction that we saw – turn back into the ball.

    So I stand by my claim that Dusty Baker is a WPOS – but he got the win and got inside the heads of the Pirates – will be interesting to see how things play out over the weekend.

  586. diehard says:

    Choo was squaring to bunt – in a normal batting stance, that pitch would not have hit him.

  587. The Gunner says:

    That is another thing missing from the Bucs. Don Hoak & the great Roberto would have handled this the US Marine way.

    Let’s hope the Bucs can come back tonight.

  588. Thundercrack says:

    What also irked me about Dusty last night was why did he have to come out of the dugout while Clint was arguing with the home plate umpire?

  589. Mrevo says:

    Yes, clearly Liriano was not throwing at Choo.
    Also, I do not agree that Dirty Baker got inside the Pirates’ heads. The problem as I see it is a decline in performance from Melancon. 2 blown saves in a row.
    I still believe that the Pirates have the starting pitching to take them deep into the post season. The question is can the starting pitching overcome their many shortcomings. Poor hitting, poor clutch hitting, numerous base running gaffes, and now the shark tank is leaking.

  590. Naje says:

    He was complaining about Hurdle to that other umpire while Hurdle was jawing with the home plate guy.

    Baker’s a lot smarter than he may appear. He’s done this many times through the years. Did anyone read/see what Teke had to say about Baker and the Reds and their pattern of hitting players in the first game of a series?

    He does it for a reason… got away with it last night. Chump style behavior, but it won a game.

    Karma hasn’t been too kind to that guy… I suspect it never will be.

  591. Nate83 says:

    I simply meant to be in such an atmosphere. I’m sure those at the game had a really good time for the first 8 innings. What happened in the 9th doesn’t take that experience away. Some have never had the oppertunity to experience a game with such high stakes involved and the crowd being so into the game.

    I’ve been lucky enough to experience an atmosphere like that probably 3 times in my life. Twice my team won and the other time they lost late. All 3 remain special to me.

  592. Karen22 says:

    I saw Teke last night. He was FUMING…and he know’s the guy. Let’s just hope Karma gets the best of him beginning tonight and ending with a five-game sweep on the last day of the season. I can dream…

  593. Karen22 says:

    That would be “knows” minus the ‘ . Sheesh.

  594. Karen22 says:

    100 – UNDER.

    Don’t even know why I’m playing anymore. Been as wrong as the Pirates lately.


  595. 21sthebest says:

    Same complaint. Didn’t want a warning.

  596. 21sthebest says:

    It wasn’t a curveball.

  597. Drew71 says:

    Was kinda busy yesterday.

    So how was the game?

  598. 21sthebest says:

    The usual. Hurdle lost it.

  599. Thundercrack says:

    No truth to the rumor that Billy Joel music could be heard coming out of the Pirates’ locker room after the game.

    By the way, big kudos to Dave G for his POTD at 11:02 this morning, regarding the song:

    From “The Poseidon Adventure.”

    A movie about a sinking ship.

  600. Rob Scott says:

    Reds 6-1 win
    Nationals 5-0 win

  601. Thundercrack says:

    I’m not really into all the macho-man stuff that goes on in sports, especially baseball.
    But as I believe a local columnist said, Baker will keep doing this until his players get hit and he has to answer to them.

    So I would have someone like Kris Johnson ready. Early.
    Tell AJ that it is open season on fastballs to Joey Votto’s ribs if he wants to take it.
    AJ can hit him once and get a warning and then hit him again and get thrown out.

    I target Votto because he’s their best player and I think more than a few Reds players wouldn’t mind seeing Brandon Phillips get plunked a few times.

    I know we are in the thick of pennant race and only have a few games left. But now is the time. Enough is enough. Hoist the colours. (sorry got carried away).

    But in the same breath I am worried about injuries during a ‘brawl’. Russel Martin hurts his shoulder tacking a player. Mesoraco body slams Cutch.

    Now I’m not sure what I want to happen. I’ll start with a Pirate victory tonight.

  602. War Horse says:

    100 on the OVER, please.

  603. cmat0829 says:

    duh, things that I post are things that I think and I say… thanks for the most insightful post of the year so far.

  604. cmat0829 says:

    Rob Scott is on a roll, don’t let the facts get in the way!! Nats will sweep the Mets next weekend, damn it!!

  605. Bdhumbert says:

    I am less concerned about retaliation than I am about making them pay – for three years Baker and the Reds have basically called the pirates the other P word.

    Nothing I saw last night, heard in the post game or have heard today makes me think they are wrong.

    I was thinking today how different the Gunner would have handled this in the booth than the corporate wusses we are stuck with – heck even Lanny would have gotten PO.

  606. Arriba Wilver says:

    Teke got very PO’d.

    Forget about Walk.

  607. Bdhumbert says:

    Sorry I missed it – was waiting for the T :-(

  608. Bdhumbert says:

    With a better manager it would have been 0 more than a week ago.

  609. Arriba Wilver says:

    I remotely DVR’d it when I left. ;-)

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