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Final: Reds 11, Pirates 3

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (89-66) vs. Cincinnati Reds (88-67)

Starters: LHP Jeff Locke vs. RHP Bronson Arroyo

Time: 1:35 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s the Pirates’ lineup …

  1. Jose Tabata, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Justin Morneau, 1B
  5. Marlon Byrd, RF
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Russell Martin, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Locke, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates pageRob Biertempfel, Travis Sawchik and Karen Price are on the scene.

Also, thought I’d share this fun talk I had with Justin Wilson last night about the pitch of the game …

What’s cooler still, as Clint Barmes later told me, the pitch perfectly matched his position. He drew it against a wall for me, essentially a straight line from Joey Votto’s bat to the left edge of the mound. Barmes was to stand at the other end of that line … which is right where the ball bounced for the simple 6-3 DP.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.

Comments

  1. Stuart says:

    So I’m a beat writer for the Pirates, covering a team that has had 15+ losing seasons. I leave to be a general sports columnist, finding on the way that my fan base continues to be mainly interested in the Pirates (those losers). Then I begin to see the value of concentrating on one sport. What is the most popular sport in the City? Football of course, and the Steelers in particular. Then, what appeared to be a lock-down positive career choice starts to look like a death-wish.

    Not to worry, the Pirates (now lovable) will be waiting patiently. Their fans never tire of hearing about them.

    Just sayin.

    Stuart

    DK: Career ‘death wish’ = quadruple the number of daily average readers compared to any point in my life anywhere?

    Good Lord, how myopic, Stu.

    As for ‘my fan base,’ which I’m fairly certain doesn’t even exist, my own numbers show the following order of interest: 1. Steelers. 2. Penguins (close). 3. Pirates. 4. Pitt (distant).

    That’s just based on my own stuff, not overall.

    If you really think the tone/makeup of blog comments here or anywhere represent anything close to reality, that’ll be as nutty as anything I’ve ever read here.

    Other than that, though, hey, you nailed it!

  2. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    BIG THANK YOU to Lad9 for re-posting the line yesterday for me.
    As always it is greatly appreciated.

    SUNDAY PICK ‘EM!!!

    Standings will be updated sometime this evening

    ******PLEASE READ WHAT IS WRITTEN BELOW******
    PLEASE PLACE YOUR “WAGERS” AS REPLIES IN THIS COMMENT BOX
    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.

    NEW PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS WELCOME & ENCOURAGED!!

    Today’s Pick ‘Em Line
    Total HOME-RUNS HIT by Pirates Batters in today’s game
    0 (DOUBLE ODDS)
    1 (EVEN ODDS)
    2 (EVEN ODDS)
    3 or More (TRIP-TRIP-TRIPLE ODDS)

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Wild Card Magic Number: 3

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23

    WHAT WOULD ALEX PRESLEY DO…KEEP CALM, PANIC, or WAIT FOR THE STEELERS GAME TO START?

  3. Karen22 says:

    100 on 2.

    C’mon Buccos! Let’s LOCKE up this series!!

  4. Bill Born says:

    100 units on the 0 line, Please!

    Thank you.

  5. JAL says:

    Ah, the thread for the Sunday baseball morning links

    JAL’s Rain on the Roof Morning Links

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwDh-xea40s

    GENERAL DAILY UPDATED BASEBALL SITES

    1- MLB Transactions

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pittsburgh_pirates/

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsjN0zO-DxI0dHVOMzdPYm9wUEJtdVJ0WWUzVWhFc2c#gid=0

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: The Bullpen Gets a Boost in Time For the Playoffs

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/09/first-pitch-the-bullpen-gets-a-boost-in-time-for-the-playoffs.html

    Looking at the Trends of Andrew McCutchen Getting Hit by the Reds

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/09/looking-at-the-trends-of-andrew-mccutchen-getting-hit-by-the-reds.html

    Burnett, Martin Lead Pirates to 4-2 Win over Reds

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/09/burnett-martin-lead-pirates.html

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Pirates destroy, maim, cannibalize Reds in 4-2 victory that proves they’ll never lose again

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2013/9/22/4757228/pirates-destroy-maim-consume-reds-in-4-2-victory-that-proves-theyll

    Postgame: Reaction from the Pirates’ clubhouse following 4-2 victory over the Reds

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2013/9/22/4757264/postgame-reaction-from-the-pirates-clubhouse-following-4-2-victory

    6 Rumbunter

    Is A.J. Burnett Riding Off Into The Sunset?

    http://rumbunter.com/2013/09/21/j-burnett-riding-sunset/

    7 WHYGAVS

    Game 155: Pirates 4 Reds 2

    http://www.whygavs.com/pittsburgh-pirates/september-2013/game-155-pirates-4-reds-2.html

    8 The Green Weenie

    Bucs Rebound Behind AJ 4-2

    http://oldbucs.blogspot.com/2013/09/bucs-rebound-behind-aj-4-2.html

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates 4, Reds 2

    http://raisethejollyroger.com/2013/09/pirates-4-reds-2/

    10 City of Champions

    Pirates rebound from Friday disaster to even series with Reds

    http://cityofchampionssports.com/2013/09/21/pirates-rebound-friday-disaster-even-series-reds/

  6. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 Beaver County Times

    Three Thoughts: Cole should be Bucs’ October ace

    http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/john_perrotto/three-thoughts-cole-should-be-bucs-october-ace/article_18c6e684-8acf-57bb-a1e5-a0b841fad480.html

    12 New York Times

    In the Market for Another Liriano

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/sports/baseball/in-the-market-for-another-liriano.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    13 Washington Post

    Saturday’s Nationals-Marlins game postponed after long rain delay, doubleheader Sunday

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/nationals-journal/wp/2013/09/21/rain-clouds-over-saturdays-nationals-marlins-game-updates/

    14 Cincinnati Enquirer

    Reds squander early lead in 4-2 loss to Pirates

    http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130921/SPT04/309210085/Reds-squander-early-lead-in-loss

    15 Bleacher Report

    Is Francisco Liriano Best Option for Pittsburgh Pirates in NL Wild Card Game?

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1781819-is-francisco-liriano-best-option-for-pittsburgh-pirates-in-nl-wild-card-game

    16 CBS Sports

    Pirates v Reds Game Preview

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametracker/preview/MLB_20130922_CIN@PIT

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Lynn puts Cards one win from postseason

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/lynn-puts-cards-one-win-from-postseason/article_be126b45-f760-5f08-946c-3a3dc35773ec.html

    18 PBC Site

    Burnett sets stage, Grilli closes curtain on Reds

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_09_21_cinmlb_pitmlb_1&mode=recap_home&c_id=pit

    Notebook: Grilli reprises role, earns first save since July

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130921&content_id=61314576&notebook_id=61318226&vkey=notebook_pit&c_id=pit

    SPORTS WEBSITES

    19 Baseball Prospectus

    Nine of Our Favorite Base Stealers, Stolen Bases, and Caught Stealings

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=21827

    20 Fangraphs

    Worst Final Seasons, Part Three

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/worst-final-seasons-part-three/

  7. JAL says:

    Rain on the Roof Lovin Spoonful 1966

  8. JohninOshkosh says:

    This Alex Presley stuff cracks me up. Thanks, Playoffs.

    100/Zero.

  9. BDHumbert says:

    What they hey…

    100 on the 3+

    Pedro
    Morneau
    Cutch

  10. Nate83 says:

    Despite splitting the first two games of the series I am very encouraged by the outings by both Liriano and Burnett. Combine that with the way Morton and Cole have been pitching and I feel pretty good about the pitching right now.

    A month ago I was more worried about the pitching falling off then the hitting. If the starters didn’t return to the great standard they set for themselves earlier this year there just wasn’t enough offense on this team to overcome that in a playoff series. With those 4 guys pitchng like they have I think it gives them a chance. There is enough offense to get them 3 or 4 runs which could be all that is required to win games.

    If we do play the one game play in against the Reds I don’t see any scenerio that Liriano doesn’t start that game. The Reds struggle against lefthanders and more specifically Bruce and Choo have done nothing against Liriano and Votto has struggles a bit as well.

    Go Pirates!!!! Keep giving us special momements during this very special year.

  11. Lad 9 says:

    In the most important game of the year so far in Pittsburgh, I will throw caution to the winds and take 3 or more dingers for 100 Jolly Rogers. Thank you Playoffs. Go Buccos!

  12. Nate83 says:

    DK definitely has strong opinions, but that is his job by definition. In my opinion, he is not even close to what you describe above. Since you felt the need to post this on two separate blogs, I felt it necessary to post my response below in both places.

    DK has mentioned numerous times his current role as a columnist is his dream role and he wouldn’t trade it for the world. I don’t even for a second believe he is jealous of what the Pirates are doing now. He has said it is never about the winning but instead the people and stories that come out of the winning or losing.

    I can’t imagine he has any concerns of who is and isn’t reading his material. He has reached the position he wants, and more people then ever are reading what he writes because it is high quality and front page.

  13. cmat0829 says:

    100 on 2 HRs

  14. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks again for the re-post yesterday.
    It is greatly appreciated!

  15. JRay3 says:

    75 on 0

    Thanks and Go Bucs!

  16. Dadtackular says:

    100 Byrds on 1

  17. Chuck Snow says:

    I don’t get the negative response to DK. I guess some people are never happy. What I love about DK has mostly been his human interest stories. Look up a story he did a couple years back on Andy LaRoche. The guy has talent and sometimes he may have a point of view you do not agree with. So what? An old saying is ‘You never make yourself look good by trying to make someone else look bad.’

  18. Chuck Snow says:

    Beat em BUCS! Locke em down!

  19. Nate83 says:

    Wow, Barmes in the line up again and with Morton going tomorrow I have to imagine he gets the start again tomorrow. I’ve always been a Barmes supporter while still saying Mercer deserves a majority of the at-bats. Mercer needs to get back out there. He will be needed in the playoffs and if he doesn’t get back out there soon when he does get a chance he is going to be pressing to perform and not relaxed.

    I still have no idea why he didn’t get to bat in the 9th on Friday night. He doesn’t strike me as a guy who would have been shaken by the error. However I think anyone would be shaken by being pulled for a Travis Snider pinch at bat and not playing one single inning after the error for 3 games in row.

  20. Pucknutz says:

    100 on 3 or more……..

  21. Damon says:

    I’ll take 100 on 2 HRs…thanks!

  22. Arriba Wilver says:

    ICIT.

  23. Baywatch says:

    I, for another, am glad to see Jason back in the closer role. But I don’t think he’s back to GRILLIN’ the cheese yet. I think he CUT some last night. It’s a start.

  24. Karen22 says:

    Agree with you, Nate. I sure hope he isn’t in the doghouse now. His BAT is sorely needed in the lineup and I like his approach at the plate.The big faux pas the other night was on the manager for not replacing him with Barmes’ superior glove late in the game. THAT is what we are paying Barmes big bucks for. We already know what he can’t do at the plate!

  25. Nate83 says:

    I sure hope an error of this type wouldn’t put any player in the doghouse. It could have happened to anyone including Barmes. Mental errors and not hustling should get you a room in the doghouse. Consistant bad play in the field or hitting should get you a spot on the bench but Mercer has done none of those.

  26. Dadtackular says:

    Occasionally batters will post an average below the Mendoza Line.
    Occasionally bloggers will post an opinion below the line of poor taste.
    Just Sayin.

  27. OUCH!!!
    here are the MLB tiebreaker rules. It hurt my head to read. Gonna need a slide ruler to figure this one out.
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130904&content_id=59527184&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

  28. Thundercrack says:

    ‘I think he CUT some last night. It’s a start.’

    Just excellent.

    And yes cutting the cheese usually is the start if something
    :-)

  29. Nate83 says:

    I actually slightly changes my opinion on this since last night and it has nothing to do with the results. It purely has to do with hearing the opinion of some former relievers/pitchers when they spoke about it.

    I still don’t believe it’s any harder to get 3 outs in the 9th then in the 8th but from Grilli’s standpoint he is pure emotion. Getting jacked up is part of what makes him tick. If pitching the 9th does that so be it. I don’t know if Grilli makes more sense then Melancon in the 9th but I think Melancon makes more sense the Grilli in the 8th.

    I don’t know if Grilli can serve any role but closer on this team. Melancon can and it allows Wilson and/or Watson to hadle the 7th if needed or come in for Melancon if he gets in a jamb and is facing a tough right hander.

  30. Nate83 says:

    Yes, much like making a list of people this fell below the Mendoza line.

  31. Nate83 says:

    Also below the Mendoza line is peeing on the Clemente statue. Who would do that?

  32. Nate83 says:

    It ussually gets me an evil look that says you disgust me without even saying one word. To which I almost always reply for better or worse and you knew this would be the worse. To which she replies I’m still waiting for the better.

  33. Tom P. says:

    I think Mercer was pinch-hit for in the ninth on Friday because the Pirates were trying to win the game with one swing. Not a bad strategy when you know Chapman is waiting if the Reds get a lead. I think Mercer will be back out there in a day or so.

  34. Jandy says:

    100 Presley units on one dinger..thanks!

  35. Irish says:

    100 on 0, please.
    Big game… Let’s Go Bucs!

  36. theplanisworking says:

    Another point to ponder:

    If DK was doing such a poor job, his readership wouldnt be so high. I havent seen anyone point this out.
    He is doing the job he loves, with quality writing, and because of this, people are reading.
    I guess DK could write gibberish to make some people happy, but I digress.
    Just keep on keepin on, DK. Haters will always hate, regardless of the facts.

    DK: Forget that. Hope you — and everyone — have a chance to check out the Justin Wilson talk above. Fun conversation mostly isolating on the key Joey Votto at-bat.

  37. bizrow says:

    100 on three or more

    Thanks Playoffs

    Beat Em Bucs

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  39. theplanisworking says:

    Loved your question…. “Do you feel sharper under the pressure?” Many athletes would duck that question, or give a vague answer….Wilson looked right at you, and said “Yes”.

    Good stuff.

  40. Dadtackular says:

    DK,
    I like the videos. Would enjoy more. A video of Barmes Diagramming would have been very cool.
    Thanks.

  41. irishjim says:

    Good call not starting Cumpton…….

  42. Milo Hamilton says:

    Gee, who didn’t see that coming ?

  43. Hell Unleashed says:

    Can Yinz say Gin-Mar Gome-ez @Nat?

    Get Locke outta there!

  44. florida steeler says:

    What the hell is Hurdle doing pitching this guy?? Is he trying to lose?? Absurd to start this guy.

  45. irishjim says:

    He clearly can’t manage. But he’s a nice guy.

  46. Milo Hamilton says:

    Anyone know the Heimlich ?

  47. Well that was a bust.

  48. Sarah says:

    Wow. 5 run 1st. Cripes.

  49. Nate83 says:

    Really you want to change Gomez’s role with 7 games left in the year. Maybe Stolmy should get his first start in his career during the last week of a pennant race. Locke was the best option. It unfortunately didn’t work out. It clearly is not Hurdles fault.

  50. Nancy52 says:

    What movies are on this afternoon? Or which teams are
    the afternoon football games? As soon as he walked the
    second one….should have been outta there!

  51. Patrick(ri) says:

    Imho, they should have warmed up Gomez when he got behind Phillips. On tv, it looked obvious.

  52. The Gunner says:

    Amen, brother. I like Clint, however, how can you start such an reliable pitcher when we are chasing the Cardinals and trying to keep the Reds at bay.

    Then, what about starting the defensive wizard, Barmes @ SS?

    This is bull!

  53. Patrick(ri) says:

    Arroyo can be had, but perhaps not with a 5 run lead.

  54. Milo Hamilton says:

    We just learned something about today’s starting pitcher, and it ain’t good.

  55. Hell Unleashed says:

    Yes, I was thinking the same. As soon as it was evident that stinkin’ Locke was in the building, Gomez should have been in. Well before the home run.

  56. Milo Hamilton says:

    This is looking like a 4-7 home stand. Not just today’s pitcher gagging.

  57. theplanisworking says:

    We learned something about today’s pitcher long before today, and it wasnt good.

    Thank goodness I have things to do today.

    After Friday’s gag job, I stated the Pirates arent mentally ready for the playoffs.
    I stand by that statement.
    I just pray they hold off Washington. Seriously.

    Everyone have a great day, root the Bucs on, I am out.

  58. Patrick(ri) says:

    Arroyo has owned Cutch in the past (.043 average). Should be a high hidden vigorish,

  59. Lad 9 says:

    Gotta disagree Nate. I think Hurdle has done a remarkable job this season, but he was wrong here and I said so before the game, not after a 5 run first. It was clear after watching him on Tuesday in person that he has zero command and should take a seat the rest of the year. Should have started Cumpton, and if not him, yes I would have changed Gomez’s role. You can not run Jeff Locke out there and expect to win at present.

  60. Baywatch says:

    I guess conceivably Arroyo could have a worse day than Locke! (Right, Bay, that’s what we call “catching up.”)

  61. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m sorry, 5-6. Still horrible considering 8 of those were against Chicago and San Diego.

  62. Hell Unleashed says:

    Time to cut the grass, thanks Pirates for giving me the afternoon back. Also, expect to turn in early tonight and get some extra zzz’s since the Steelers suck so bad this year.

  63. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hey Bay !

  64. JRay3 says:

    Either 6-5 or 5-6…took 3 of 4 off Cubs, 1 of four from SD and 1-1 with Reds. At any rate loss today makes it a bad final home stand.

  65. Patrick(ri) says:

    Can Morneau hit a curve?

  66. Patrick(ri) says:

    Arroyo seems to think he can!

  67. Milo Hamilton says:

    Seriously, why is Jeff Locke still in the dugout ? Should be showered by now.

  68. Baywatch says:

    Hey, Milo!

  69. irishjim says:

    Time to start throwing some bean balls. Oh I forgot Hurdle doesn’t play that way, and that’s why our team is timid and getting out muscled on the scoreboard and mentally.

  70. The Gunner says:

    at least Gomez is in there now. Hopefully, they send Locke home until next spring.

  71. Baywatch says:

    Was ANYBODY really interested in a Robby Inch-A-MY-Kowski feature on Billy Hamilton there? The timing of a bull elk in heat!

  72. Milo Hamilton says:

    Their reward for all this will be a 5 day all expenses paid vacation in Cincinnati. Or should I say punishment ?

  73. irishjim says:

    Cumpton, Johnson, and Stolmy should eat the rest of these innings. The game is over. Save your playoff roster arms. But of course Hurdle will probably use Melancon and Grilli later because he is an idiot.

  74. Milo Hamilton says:

    Skyline Chili for everyone ! (Groan).

  75. Mercy.

    On both above posts.

  76. Mrevo says:

    I call for a mass pelting of Hurdle with bubble gum. Horrible, horrible decission to start Locke.

  77. Baywatch says:

    “I’d rather lose one like this than give one away.” Gary Cooper in “The Lou Gehrig Story” (Just Kiddin’, that was a Bay original!) I mean, really, a loss is a loss. Like losing your virginity to a CPR dummy!

  78. Steelag70 says:

    Today is why Mercer’s choke job Friday night was such a killer…I sure hope Locke is not given another start the rest of this season…what a lousy way to finish your last game at home…

  79. Steelag70 says:

    Wow…we actually have one run…

  80. Brandie says:

    Seems a bit messy today! Still don’t think 90+ is elusive!

  81. Steelag70 says:

    Looks like Cumpton should have started this game…

  82. Steelag70 says:

    The most frustrating thing about this team is that they can’t seem to get on a consistent winning streak..one step forward, two steps back…

  83. Steelag70 says:

    Locke should not see another start for the remainder of this season…

  84. Brandie says:

    Which makes the amount of wins even more remarkable.

  85. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yes, yes and yes.

  86. Brandie says:

    He will be counted on for the playoffs, which is a hard case doe to the fact that not a lot of these guts, Locke included, have never sniffed the playoffs. My mom says to sit down, shut up, and act like you’ve been there before!

  87. Brandie says:

    Less of a bang and more of a whimper, Guy Whimper! I just love his name.

  88. John Lease says:

    Amen.

  89. John Lease says:

    I’m hoping that Locke never pitches another meaningful moment in a Pirate uniform.

    Get what you can from him, I’ve seen enough.

    And I’m super glad I didn’t go to see this fiasco.

  90. Brandie says:

    Lad 9! I guess you have those who do want to return to the days of John Russell and Jim Tracy! What other manager could have taken this team this far in this short of time? Notice that there are never any posts about who others would like as manager?

    Just an observation.

  91. florida steeler says:

    I hate to say it but this is why Hurdle has a losing record as a manager. A completely idiotic , bonehead decision to pitch Locke in this game. I am glad he had a great first half of the season but ALL baseball experts predicted the first half was a fluke. Turns out, they all were correct.

  92. irishjim says:

    At least this will be the last time fans at PNC park have to witness Clint Barmes. Hallelujah!

  93. J Walter Weatherman says:

    The reason the Reds are a better team than the Pirates is that the Reds aren’t forced to run a guy like Locke out there every 5 games. Yes, I’m generally dismissing the argument that the Pirates should be using someone else instead of Locke, because in reality, the other options aren’t much better.

    You have to give NH and CH a tremendous amount of credit for how they’ve put this team together and managed it. The record speaks for itself against the expectations for this team. However, that doesn’t absolve them of mistake they’ve made in handling the 5-man rotation. They had no backup plan, in case Cole, Morton, and/or Locke fell apart. Considering the unproven nature of these starters, that was poor planning. Actually, they’re lucky Morton and Cole have pitched as well as they have. Can you imagine of either of those guys started pitching like Locke? Maybe they really thought Wandy was coming back, but that’s hard to believe. Ironically, it turns out that getting a SP instead of a hitter may have been the more important need at the trade deadline.

    All tied up with Reds with 6 games left. Really not worried about Nats and really don’t think they’ll catch the Cards. Biggest thing is to get home field for the wild card game against the Reds. Unless they go to a 4-man rotation, they will probably lose the Locke spot in the rotation game against Reds next week. Whole lot of pressure on the other 2 pitchers in that series. Go Bucs.

  94. Thundercrack says:

    A fluke? I think a lot of people predicted that he wouldn’t pitch as well as he did in the first half. But I don’t recall any experts saying it was a fluke.
    Locke pitched very well in the first half.

  95. Thundercrack says:

    They had plenty of winning streaks – and very few losing streaks- prior to the all star break

  96. Patrick(ri) says:

    With all the picking on the “lesser parts,” how about Cutch — MVP voters on the fence, will not be impressed by today.

  97. Brandie says:

    I said that more tongue in cheek. As I have said before, we are a fan base that must get used to being competitive and accept that losses, some quite messy, do come with wins as well.

  98. Steelag70 says:

    Cutch still gets the MVP…

  99. Steelag70 says:

    On a positive note, great job today by Cunpton and now the Pimento…

  100. Milo Hamilton says:

    Stormy’s going to have to work on his grip. It’s embarrassing when one slips like that. :)

  101. Thundercrack says:

    The Reds are good the Pirates are lucky

  102. Dadtackular says:

    You don’t hate to say it. We just hate to read it.

  103. Steelag70 says:

    ++

  104. Steelag70 says:

    Crap…more bad news…Martin left the game due to knee injury…

  105. Brandie says:

    Got Sanchez. Buck needs to step the He!! Up!

  106. Steelag70 says:

    Martin being out would be a HUGE loss…

  107. irishjim says:

    Good point. Putting up an O-fer in the biggest series of his career isn’t very worthy.

  108. Brandie says:

    Agreed, but we don’t know what the specific knee injury is. The bad thing is those kind of injuries are dicey. Expect the worst, but hope for the best! Either way, those left over have a job to do and that just can’t stop because one of your mates is down.

  109. Mrevo says:

    I was almost hoping they would hit Cutch there, seems to be the only way he can get on base against the Reds. No wonder they keep hitting him, it appears to work.

  110. Steelag70 says:

    On a postive note, the Nats lost their first game of the DH with Miami….magic number to two…

  111. irishjim says:

    Let’s all be thankful that Dusty threw at Cutch in game 1. At least he got on base!

  112. Tom P. says:

    Washington just lost to the Marlins. The magic number for a wild card spot is 2.

  113. Steelag70 says:

    I know Brandimal, but still not good…

  114. Steelag70 says:

    irishjim…do you ever have anything POSITIVE to say?

  115. Thundercrack says:

    Opposite auditions for next year’s rotation.
    Stolmey pitches well and I think is out of options.

    Locke pitches lousy and I think he is also out of options

  116. Steelag70 says:

    I wouldn’t overlook Cumpton either….

  117. Chuck H says:

    About Friday’s game-Mercer’s error would not have made any difference, had Pedro
    come up with the ground ball that let the last 2 runs score. That was the difference in the ball game. Don’t blame Jordy for the loss.

  118. irishjim says:

    I only speak the truth. This team has no sack and will lose in Cincy on October 1. Lucky there isn’t one more week in the season or Washington would pass them.

  119. irishjim says:

    I blame Melancon. He gave up 3 hits to the bottom of the order.

  120. 21sthebest says:

    Had Jordy made the play, the game ends right there.

  121. Locke will win the battle of those 3. He’s a lefty. If they’re at all close, he’ll stay.

    Remember some of the lefties that stuck for years longer than they should have because they were lefties?

    Does Jerry Don Gleaton come to mind? 13 years in the majors and a record of 15-23. ERA 4.25 when 4.25 used to be a high ERA.

  122. Steelag70 says:

    Agreed…some people just hate Pedro and find every way possible to show it.

  123. Steelag70 says:

    The truth is only relevant to what YOU believe. I can say that I speak the truth as well…so they are only OPINIONS.

  124. Jay H says:

    How about a little salt for today’s gaping wound…..NFC Central goes south and the Packers lose to the Bengals and the Vikings lose to the Browns. Really?

  125. Arriba Wilver says:

    But for the post-season this year?

    I think Locke just sealed his fate on that.

  126. Steelag70 says:

    That bodes well for the Steelers tonight then…lol.

  127. florida steeler says:

    Try Curt Schilling who said it.

  128. Steelag70 says:

    Agreed…he will not start the rest of the season….

  129. Arriba Wilver says:

    OK, I see TC was talking about next year.

  130. Thundercrack says:

    Schilling = 1 expert.

  131. florida steeler says:

    No, there were many more on baseball tonite–You said you did not recall “fluke”. Schilling called it a fluke and everyone that evening said Locke would never continue at his pace.
    Locke was questionable in spring training and he was very “lucky” with many ground balls and double plays the first half of the season to get him out of trouble with his lack of command issues.

  132. florida steeler says:

    Jim,
    He does not want truth as an opinion unless it is served with Pirate Kool Aid.

  133. Milo Hamilton says:

    That beeping sound you hear is the Pirates backing into the playoffs. Look out, they’re coming fast. Or is that fading fast ?

  134. Chuck H says:

    How many times has Hurdle left a pitcher in until it was too late? Personally, I would have taken Locke out after he walked the bases full even though it was the first inning. What good did he think would come of that. Locke has stunk up the rotation since the All-Star
    game, and since this game is so important, Hurdle should have scratched Locke and used someone else, anyone else. The Pirates need a SMART manager. GO,STEELERS!!!

  135. Thundercrack says:

    “but ALL baseball experts predicted the first half was a fluke. Turns out, they all were correct.”

    Are ALL the baseball experts on Baseball Tonight ?

    And I don’t think it was idiotic decision by Hurdle.

  136. Steelag70 says:

    The game that really hurt this weekend was Friday night….I think we all expected Locke to lose this one before the series…

  137. Thundercrack says:

    I really hope this isn’t the last home game of the year

  138. Milo Hamilton says:

    All of this is elevator music. All that matters is Tuesday October 1st. Sure hope it’s here. These fans deserve that much.

  139. Thundercrack says:

    On the post game show I wish Teke would turn around and tell those Reds fans to “Get the F out of here!!”

    :-)

  140. Steelag70 says:

    All I asked was if he ever says anything POSITIVE. Everytime I see him or you for that matter comment, it’s always negative. You know florida you are a real jackass…

  141. Steelag70 says:

    That’s why they vote on the entire season’s performance. Once again irish, you only speak when it’s something negative to say.

  142. theplanisworking says:

    Teke has the sack to do just that!

  143. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yeah, Cutch is the problem.

    smh

  144. Arriba Wilver says:

    According to Nate that apparently makes me a “hater.” Not clear yet what I supposedly “hate.”

  145. 21sthebest says:

    We have a policy in our house. Whoever has the remote, if they don’t change channels before Teke or Alexander starts talking, they have to put $5 in the charity kitty.

  146. Mrevo says:

    The Reds were lucky on Friday

  147. Mrevo says:

    Cutch no es clutch. I can see the Pirates getting into the playoffs and Cutch pulling a Barry Bonds.

  148. florida steeler says:

    Then you can’t read or comprehend what you read. I am complimentary and share a critical opinion when I feel it is warranted. I do not need to clear my opinions through you on this website because you are a complete idiot in denial when someone posts just criticism.

  149. Baywatch says:

    The sack?

  150. Karen22 says:

    I still can’t believe Hurdle started Locke in a game of this magnitude. He should have been long gone after his last umpteenth lousy start. I like Clint a lot, but some of his decisions have bordered on insane of late (not replacing Mercer with Barmes at short in Friday’s disaster; never PH-ing Gabby for Mr. ONE RBI Morneau against lefties – ever!; not using his gut instead of the almighty book and allowing his lights-out starter to at least START the 9th…you know – stuff like that).

    Backing into a Wild Card spot indeed. Shouldn’t be this way.

  151. JoeyBats says:

    Buccos….playing some of their worst ball at the wrong time :-(
    .
    Great news thought….Morneau now has 2 RBI !

  152. Thundercrack says:

    -if you don’t start Locke today your options are guys who have spend most the year in the minors and haven’t started a game in weeks. So if you do that you probably will go with a bunch of pitchers pitching 2,3, or 4 innings.

    - Jeff Locke’s last 3 starts have been: 5 innings 2 ER, 7 innings 1 ER, and 5 innings 4 ER

    So maybe Clint’s gut told him that you may be better off starting Locke and then going to the bullpen.

    What his gut didn’t tell him was to have another pitching warming up in the pen as soon as Locke throws his first pitch in the first inning.

    It seems there is a lot of 20/20 hindsight about Clint’s decision about starting Locke today. I wasn’t on the blog much yesterday but did anyone offer up an alternative (name of the pitcher) to today’s starter?

  153. twentytwo22 says:

    The Pirates are 2-6 in Locke’s last 8 starts. The Pirates are a .500 team recently because of Locke’s starts. They treat this guy like he is a 1st round pick and give him consideration he doesn’t deserve. They did it last September and were proud to say they blew games to give him experience. Now they are risking playoff positioning to give him experience for next year when he will be pitching in Indianapolis if they re-sign Burnett and Wandy comes back healthy. Wait a minute.. can’t replace Locke… Cole will be pitching in Indianapolis.

    Locke will be 90, sitting in a wheelchair in the lobby of an old folk’s home drooling and mumbling ‘alllllll star ALL STAR’

    That’s my Locke hate. As for playoffs, I don’t care about facing the Reds anywhere. I hope that Atlanta secures the #1 seed. Facing Atlanta in the NLDS would be preferred. They have no Tim Hudson or any other good veteran starter. They have 3 young guys and a history of early playoff exits. The Pirates will be in the NLCS against St. Louis or Los Angeles.

  154. Reading says:

    Wasn’t able to watch the game live. Plan was to DVR the game and watch it later without knowing the score. Of course, my curiosity got to me, and I decided to check the blog. The first post I see is something to the effect of “Locke should never be allowed to pitch another game in a Pirates uniform.” I haven’t watched the recording.

  155. Reading says:

    Marlins coming through big time so far. Up 2-0 in nightcap. Magic Number of 1 would clinch at least a tie with Nats for a WC spot.

  156. Bob Hasis says:

    I warned you about CH and his “panic decisions” more than a month ago, and now they (the decisions) are magnifying his inability to manage.

    If keeping with his previous normal trend of sending in “limp stick” Barmes for defensive reasons was done, perhaps we would have won on Friday. Then take today and all of Barmes magnificent skills were on full display – one fielding, one throwing error, a pathetic relay to the plate from very short left field that bounced 15 feet short of the plate and was eight feet inside the 3rd base line – off of the plate.

    Someone in this thread stated you have possibly seen him for the last time at PNC in our uniform.

    I hope he’s right

  157. Karen22 says:

    Gomez, Cumpton, Stolmy – enough pitchers in the shark tank to pick up any one of those not deemed “stretched out enough” after four or five innings or so. Locke’s been Stretch Armstrong all season, and he sure needed help in a hurry. Never should have started him. And I would have pulled him after walking the guy in the first on four pitches.

  158. Karen22 says:

    Ohhh, imagine that! Didn’t watch the game, so I missed that!

  159. Thundercrack says:

    So you would have someone warming up in the pen at the very start of the game? I have never seen that before.

    Or would you have brought someone in cold?

    I think Locke was Clint’s only & best option to start this game

  160. Tom P. says:

    I disagree about backing into the playoffs. After 162 games, each team is judged on its full body of work. If a team is in the top 5 in its league, it’s in the playoffs. The Pirates are (probably) going to win 90+ games and they deserve to be there. Backing into the playoffs is when, in the NFL, a team is in if it loses, two other teams lose, and a third team wins by 25.

    Are they playing their best baseball of the year? No, but they are at .500 for their last 48 games. They are not the Rangers are something like 2-9, and might miss the playoff all together.

 
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