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Morning Java: Good show, Brits!

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

LONDON – Top of the morning, Lunatics …


>> The Monday column documents the Steelers’ latest ridiculous loss and, indirectly, laments the fact that I’m running out of more inventive ways to describe how they’re doing beyond that they stink.

On the bright side, the Brits were magnificent. I was actually more impressed with the planning, the passion, the kindness of all involved for this than for the — admittedly much larger and less wieldy — Olympics last summer. The stadium was dolled up in ways that Heinz Field should strongly consider, from the 50-foot player banners to the tunnel lined with images of Pittsburgh and some of the more familiar faces on the team.

Wonderfully done. Good show!

Anyway, here’s the game story by Alan Robinson.

Here’s a sidebar I wrote on the suddenly terrible secondary.

Here’s the photo gallery by Chaz Palla.

Here’s the latest on the Vikings from the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

Here are official game highlights from

Here’s me annoying Mike Tomlin with the first question about the worst left tackle anywhere …

Here’s Troy Polamalu

And here’s Ben Roethlisberger

What a season this is shaping up to be, huh?

And finally on the Steelers’ front, the great L.C. Greenwood has died. Only one of the four members of the true Steel Curtain, Joe Greene, survives. Ernie Holmes and Dwight White passed in recent years.

I hadn’t seen L.C. since last fall, and he looked and seemed fine. You never know.

>> The Pirates’ B-team closed out a 94th winRob Biertempfel reports from Cincinnati.

Francisco Liriano is columnized by Joe Starkey, also at Great American.

Here’s our full Pirates coverage, including stuff from Travis Sawchik, Karen Price and others who were part of our baseball staff making that drive.

Here’s Reds news from the Cincinnati Enquirer.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Evgeni Malkin is pretty tough on himself in this interview with Rob Rossi.

Here’s our full Penguins coverage, including the latest on Kris Letang.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Flying home in a few hours, through Paris again. I’m told I have a sporting event to cover on Tuesday. When I find out what that is, I’ll be happy to share.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Drew71 says:

    So the Pirates and Steelers play on September 29 and neither game means a thing.


    We’re used to the Pirates’ last game having no meaning. But not because they ready freaking clinched.

    And we definitely are NOT used a Steelers game having no meaning in September.

    I dunno. I just watched Breaking Bad. Maybe the meth is getting to me.

  2. Hell Unleashed says:

    I know it is not even close to December yet, but can the Steelers please unleash hell? Maybe just a little?

  3. Wild Bill says:

    Think they already have, HU. At least, it looks like he!!

  4. Drew71 says:

    “I’m told I have a sporting event to cover on Tuesday. When I find out what that is, I’ll be happy to share.”

    Penguins practicing at Southpointe, huh?

  5. Ghost says:

    At least we have the Pirates.

  6. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    When a team is barely 8-8…And you do next to nothing to improve it…This is what you get.
    Plain and simple….

  7. Wild Bill says:

    Glad to see we rotated those running backs and kept them all fresh for next Sunday’s game. Oh, wait…

  8. Wild Bill says:

    L.C. Greenwood was a great player, and I’m sorry to read of the struggle his life had become. So many players pay a dear price for having been great in the game they loved.

  9. Reading says:

    For the first time in 41 years, I really didn’t care that the Steelers lost. Watched the whole game. Didn’t stomp around, swear, get upset, etc. when Peterson waltzed 77 or however many yards “breaking” 5 arm whiffs. For the first time in forever my week won’t be ruined by a Steelers loss. No emotion at all. Tuesday night, however, look out!

  10. Reading says:

    I’d like to see the Steelers wear a “68,” “L.C.,” or gold shoes patch on their uniform or helmet, or some other appropriate remembrance for the rest of the year.

  11. JohninOshkosh says:

    Very sad story about LC. A great photo of him pursuing Bert Jones accompanies it.

    All the back operations and his life ending while he needed use of a walker. All at the age of 67, an age when many are enthusiastically enjoying life.

    A terrible toll that football exacts from men, all for our pleasure. Sometimes I wonder if I ought to watch it at all, much less enjoy it. Not sure I’m any better than the Roman pagans sitting in the Colosseum cheering at the spectacle on display

  12. theplanisworking says:

    Not only do next to nothing to improve it, keep the wrong guys also.
    Just a mess.

  13. Ghost says:

    A good “stop-and-think-about-it” post, John.

  14. DJ says:

    I read the sidebar on the secondary. Seeing next to nothing of in-game adjustments by this coaching staff. Other teams can outthink us and dissect us in minutes and yet with one week of preparation and even witnessing what isn’t working on game day, we stand pat and have no counter-plans from our coaching staff. Starting to believe that we are simply incapable in this area.

    We prepared today for what was obvious — but only to us. Back-up QB starting and best RB in the league? Well, that can only mean a steady diet of running plays so let’s cheat Troy up to the line of scrimmage, right? Wrong. But seeing that we were gashed once, then twice, what did we do to adjust? Nothing. We just kept cheating Troy up.

    Cortez Allen was also horrible today (at least the little that I watched) but I’ll give him a one week pass because of the long layoff and very little over the top and inside safety help.

    Adams getting manhandled (being kind here since that would assume he actually contacted Allen) and what did we do? Left him in the game with no swinging of protection or chips by a back. Out with a whimper instead of in with a Whimper?

    I hate to say this but I’m actually hoping for a Top 5 pick this year. Thinking that one god-awful year at 2-14 rather than 4-12 or 5-11 will help us more in the long run, presuming our scouting/picks improve, of course.

  15. theplanisworking says:

    Sad to see L.C. go.
    hard to remember he was a 12th round draft choice….. and yet he still achieved greatness.

    Recall watching one of the “America’s Game” videos, and he said something that rings very true to today’s Steeler team.
    He felt that the backups had to be almost as good as the starters. If they werent, why were they on the team? They had to replace the injured starters, if they couldnt, then get rid of them, and get someone who could play. It is that mentality that helped the team win 4 Super Bowls……… the standard was TRULY the standard back then.

    RIP Gold Shoes.

  16. Ghost says:

    Me too. Incredible, isn’t it? It’s not that I’ve stopped caring about the Steelers or the players themselves. But we know in our hearts the 0-4 record accurately reflects what the organization has let themselves become. Bad decisions and neglect have brought the team ingloriously crashing down — and that’s probably the best thing. Muddling through another year of .500 ball might have provided just enough cover for further rationalizing and kicking the can down the road.

    Then there are those Pirates… They have me completely obsessed as if I were a kid all over again.

  17. Ghost says:

    So true about the “mentality” and the “the standard” of the ’70’s Steelers. They were in a class by themselves when it came to getting it done.

  18. Ghost says:

    That would be nice.

  19. theplanisworking says:

    If, for example, Dick LeBeau has Troy Polamalu sniffing up at the line every other snap, and the secondary has been burned for huge plays while not appearing to have, you know, safeties playing safety, might Polamalu drop back?

    Wait for it……… where have you seen this before? Anyone?
    The Tim Tebow playoff game from 2 years ago. Remember that? The safety was kept in the box all game, and Tebow tore us apart. So I think the coaching is to blame here. There is the precedent.

    The O-Line? They have had 2 or 3 different coaches, 2 different schemes, yet still stink. Lets face it………. they dont have enough talent to succeed. But who assembled this O-Line? Who drafted them? Tomlin/Colbert deserve blame here.

    Ben has been “dumbed down” by Haleys system. He looks scared. he looks indecisive. He is trying to make plays, and getting turnovers for his efforts. He is running for his life almost every play. Is this the nest way to utilize a $102 million dollar QB? Bueller? BUELLER????


    I did see some positives yesterday.
    The receivers.
    La’Veon Bell.
    But one needs more positives than that to win.

    Anyone see any more positives?
    We need all we can get.

  20. Ghost says:

    Your Blog name now officially applies to the Steelers.

  21. theplanisworking says:


    Hey, at least we had the Pirates and Pitt football this weekend.
    Pirates surprisingly swept the Reds. Just when you think you know what they are going to do, they do the other. Someone said there is a ballgame Tuesday night?? ;)

    Pitt didnt look impressive Saturday, but they looked impressive on the final scoreboard. All that counts.

    But Ghost, you have to stop responding to my posts.
    A member of the “old guard” of posters here will have a darn coronary because I posted too much, was too critical of the Steelers, will accuse me again of saying the Pirates will fail, etc……….
    After all, I wouldnt want to go over my “allowed” # of posts according to him…..

  22. Ghost says:

    Wow! Really? I guess I missed that memo from the “old guard.” I know sometimes (like tonight) it’s just me and another odd person or two listening to each other’s echoes in here. But even as I know all my one-way comments probably get to looking pretty lame, this is when I hang out here, dang it!, and I’m gonna talk to people, even if it’s just to my lame self! :D

  23. Ghost says:

    Hey Ghostie. Anything new going on over there?

  24. theplanisworking says:

    You need help, good sir. :D

    But keep on, keepin’ on.

  25. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I don’t believe there are any solutions to the massive amount of problems that the Steelers presently possess.
    Unfortunately….I see them eventually winning a few games towards the end of the year (when some teams pack it in), and that will drop them down the draft board a bit.
    It’s going to be a rough twelve games, but the good news is that a quarter of this mess is behind us.

  26. Brandie says:

    Thank you for the post. You truly are Wisconsin’s Finest!

  27. Brandie says:

    It is a hot mess!

  28. Brandie says:

    Monday Column…Scathing DK, but rightly so. Team is a hot mess. Mike Adams needs to go. I could go on, but I have to go to work today.

    DK: Merci.

  29. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Some further thoughts about the latest Steeler fiasco:

    * Very bad day for Jarvis Jones.
    Barely saw him do anything at LB, and he whiffed on a couple tackles on ST’s.
    He looked “tired” to me.

    * I don’t see much use in playing Keisel or Clark at this point in time. Though Keisel has hung in there, this will definitely be his last year. Clark looks a shell of himself to me.
    If they’re going to go down, they might as well find out about some of these younger guys.

    * Though not old, the same can be said for Emmanuel Sanders. There’s no sense in playing him before Wheaton, as Sanders is a goner after this season. I’m also questioning his effort, as I think he might be trying to take a page out of Mike Wallace’s book.

    * Maybe it’s to the point of giving some playing time to (for example) OLB Alan Baxter from the practice squad. Could he get any less sacks than the two guys that have been playing opposite Woodley?

    * Speaking of Woodley, he’s in better shape than last year, but I question his effort too.

    I could go on and on….But that’s a few things to vent about late night PDT.

  30. John Lease says:

    Jones mashed his homer.

    But by all means Jones haters, put in Pie.

  31. Drew71 says:

    I agree with that sentiment, Krandie.

    Especially since the Badgers aren’t.

    Was that mean? I so hate it when I’m mean.

  32. Drew71 says:

    Nice flight schedule.

    We’ll always have Paris.

  33. Drew71 says:

    I’ll say this for Pie. Cool last name. Three letters. Six syllables.

    Let’s see Jones do THAT.

  34. tdb1977 says:

    Probably some curling match he needs to cover.

  35. tdb1977 says:

    Didn’t think you would type that on September 29/September 30th, did you? Pretty nice to have those 6 words to keep things going around here.

  36. tdb1977 says:

    Anyone notice the MLB draft order for next June’s draft? Pirates don’t even pick in the top 25 next year! Hope we stay in this position for many years to come.

    1. Astros
    2. Marlins
    3. White Sox
    4. Cubs
    5. Twins
    6. Mariners
    7. Phillies
    8. Rockies
    9. Blue Jays
    10. Mets
    11. Blue Jays (for failing to sign 2013 No. 10 pick Phil Bickford)
    12. Brewers
    13. Padres
    14. Giants
    15. Angels
    16. Diamondbacks
    17. Orioles
    18. Yankees
    19. Royals
    20. Nationals
    21. Reds
    22. Rangers or Rays
    23. Rangers or Rays
    24. Indians
    25. Dodgers
    26. Tigers
    27. Pirates
    28. Athletics
    29. Braves
    30. Red Sox
    31. Cardinals

  37. Tom P. says:

    Here is the final installment of my efforts to track the Pirates win totals broken down into nine 18 game segments, noting that an average of 10-8 during each 18 game segment gets the Pirates to 90 wins. By now, we know they achieved 94 wins, the fifth best mark in the majors this year. Those 94 wins were achieved with 18 game splits of 10-8, 10-8, 14-4, 8-10, 12-6, 11-7, 9-9, 9-9, and 11-7.

    Breaking the season into three 54-game segments, the Pirates were 34-20, 31-23, and 29-25. Just some fun with numbers as we got to enjoy a surprisingly successful season

  38. tdb1977 says:

    Great numbers this season Tom! Really appreciate it. Its amazing they had only one segement where they were below 500 for you break downs. Just need 12 more wins to capture the World Series this year. It all starts tomorrow night.

  39. JAL says:

    JAL’s My Sharona Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Are the Pirates a Sign That Baseball is a Fair Game?

    The 94th Win Providing Some Questions For Next Year

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Jordy Mercer, Brandon Cumpton key irrelevant win to sweep Reds

    6 Rumbunter

    Pittsburgh Pirates Have A Surprise For Johnny Cueto


    Game 162: Pirates 4 Reds 2

    8 The Green Weenie

    Bucs Sweep Reds 4-2 For Win #94

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates 4, Reds 2

    10 City of Champions

    Pirates complete sweep of Reds, head into playoffs on roll

  40. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 Minor League Ball

    Minor League Ball Top 75 Prospects: End of Season Update

    12 Chicago Tribune

    Long-suffering Pirates, fans have reason to smile,0,7086908.story

    13 Rant Sports

    Pittsburgh Pirates’ Present and Future Looks Very Bright

    14 Cincinnati Enquirer

    Erardi: Reds’ momentum – or lack thereof – won’t matter Tuesday

    15 Miami Herald

    A capsule look at Reds-Pirates wild-card game

    16 CBS Sports

    Reds at Pirates for NL wild card game: Who’s got the edge?

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Bernie: Hard to argue with how Cards approach game

    18 PBC Site

    Reds brush aside skid, focus on Wild Card Game

    NL Central’s Pirates, Reds worthy of postseason


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    The Week In Quotes

    20 Fangraphs

    Proposing New Wild Card Rules

  41. JAL says:

    My Sharona, number 1 song first week of October 1979

  42. Brandie says:

    Nice take on my name, Drew-k. Krandie. Maybe I’ll take that as my alias.

  43. Brandie says:

    Maybe we need someone to come up with another blog/link…WHYGAS…Where Have You Gone Aaron Smith?

  44. Jandy says:

    Oh LORD! What have I started? ;)

    Steve J. Smith says:

    September 28, 2013 at 2:10 pm

    Morton blows!

    Arriba Wilver says:

    September 28, 2013 at 2:11 pm



    21sthebest says:

    September 28, 2013 at 2:14 pm


  45. Jandy says:

    Top O’ the morning to ya Krandie ;)

  46. NMR says:


  47. Jandy says:

    Thank you for a job well done, Tom P :)

  48. Jandy says:

    OK, Weird Al wants to know…where’s the bologna???


  49. Jandy says:

    Are you referring to JD? Just use the ignore button, Hipposter, my friend. Some people just don’t get it :)

  50. Jandy says:

    Good job on the Monday column, Dejan. It’s an unbold reaming, and it’s well stated. About time someone cut to the quick.

  51. NMR says:

    I see from JAL’s links that prospect list season has started as well.

    Ah, the good ol days.

  52. JMB says:

    If the Pirates pick after LAD, does that mean we host them in NLCS? If not, it should.

  53. The Justice Avenger says:

    Morning to All – Heard some stuff yesterday (not here on this blog) that ticked me off, so my response…and you’ll understand: To the super die hard Steeler fans who for years and years beat the Pirates, its fans and baseball up: Now you know what it is like. Now you know what us Pirate fans have been through for 20 years. Now you know what a little losing is like. And you don’t like it, huh? None of us do. Look, I am a Pittsburgh sports fan…through and through…want all our teams to do well, but again…to Steeler only fans…you are getting a taste of things this morning. I said my piece. Let’s Go Bucs and Let’s Go Pens and yes…Let’s Go Steelers, too!

  54. Drew71 says:

    Stillers press cahnfrance

  55. Drew71 says:

    So much for that alias thingee

  56. Jandy says:

    Totally understand where you’re coming from. Well said, Justice!
    Top O’ the mornin’ to ya, friend :)

  57. Jandy says:


  58. Jandy says:

    YINZER alert!!!

  59. theplanisworking says:

    1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi………..

    Just learning how to count.
    Need the practice……….. gotta stay under my 137 “allowed” posts, Jandy. :D

  60. theplanisworking says:

    This is a “G” rated blog, missy………….

  61. theplanisworking says:


  62. Jandy says:

    Dear Hipposter, you are allowed as many posts as your Hippo heart desires. Mother Theresa says so :)

  63. Jandy says:

    That is its, and I stand by my post :P

  64. Jandy says:

    gotta ask the Rev for that, Hipposter ;)

  65. DJ says:

    Some thoughts:

    With a few more losses the talk of drafting a QB and trading Ben for draft picks may get wings. Same thing happened in Indy where it was sacrilege for fans to contemplate life without Peyton at first before reality set in. Not saying we should go there quite yet but with continued losing, everything should be on the table.

    On evaluating talent, Fred Gwynn had more nimble feet than Mike Adams. For an O-lineman with a supposed pedigree, he seems to have zero concept of balance, feet positioning and hand placement on pass plays. And since we’ve been doing a lot of punting lately — and it’s likely to continue — is Drew Butler still available? Mesko is horrible. Thought Butler had greater upside. Again, where are our talent evaluators?

  66. JAL says:

    Pirates will announce roster for tomorrow’s game a bit after 10 this morning. Won’t see AJ, Locke, or Cumpton on it. Locke is done for season, AJ will pitch first game of the Cards series if Pirates win, Cumpton pitched yesterday so can’t pitch tomorrow. Will be some interesting decisions on the regular players like Jones or Snider, Buck or Sanchez,

  67. theplanisworking says:

    Thats good!

    But I still need to learn to count…………. ;)

  68. theplanisworking says:


    Hope the morning treats you well.
    Have to go help start convert a garage into a room.
    Maybe we can stuff some non-performing Steelers in there. ;)

  69. tdb1977 says:

    This is a good discussion to have.

    Got the playoff brackets up on my white board. Under the brackets, placed the number of wins to take the series: 12. I really want to take that number down by at least one Wednesday morning when I step back into work. Let the fun and games begin!

  70. 21sthebest says:

    For tomorrow, you could see Jones, Snider, Buck and Sanchez on the roster.

  71. JAL says:

    certainly possible

  72. Steve says:

    I think we’ve all run out of ways to be more descriptive about the Steelers other then to say they stink. Has the practice of letting good players go via free agency caught up to them? What kind of season is Keenan Lewis having for the Aints? They simply have not drafted adequate replacements for certain players and they’ve hung on to some players for far too long.

    It’s mind boggling that their offensive line is perhaps the worst it’s been during Roethlisberger’s career when it was thought they finally had put together a decent one. Mike Adams has not shown any ability to play left tackle. Appears their best lineman right now was out of work until Pouncey got hurt.

    The defense is a shell of its former self. Put Shamarko Thomas in and see what he can do for the rest of the season. Thanks Ryan Clark for all your great play – your ESPN assignment waits. Troy Polamalu will forever be one of the iconic Steelers but all good things must come to an end.

    Heavy criticism of Todd Haley. I think it’s time for the same when it comes to Dick Lebeau.

    Rest in peace LC. Legendary.

  73. Jandy says:

    Spunkster, the first one, silly :D

    Hipposter, sounds like fun NOT! lol
    Try to enjoy it. Hope it’s for a worthy cause.

  74. Jandy says:

    Count your Hippo toes…over and over again ;)

  75. Damon says:

    When Tomlin went on his rant after the game about players not being a part of it going forward, first thought he was talking about Woodley. Once again he was no where near the QB, missed tackles, invisible. He gets paid a nice chunk of change to put pressure on, and it’s been a long time since he has. Another name that popped in my head was Ziggy Hood – his side of the line always has gaping holes when the other team runs the ball. Last was Sanders who looked like a 5-year old stomping his feet when he and Ben weren’t on the same page leading to an INT. I did notice Wheaton in the game more after that though…

  76. Dom says:

    Vince Wilfork is out for the season.

  77. Dom says:

    I don’t think Snider was on the roster on August 31st, was he?

  78. Tom P. says:

    Tomorrow’s game will have a college basketball playoff feel to it. A successful season is going to come to an end for somebody. We have had this discussion before, but I don’t mind the format. Win the division and you don’t have to worry about one loss and out. Everybody knows the rules going in.

  79. DJ says:

    Right now, I can’t be critical of Troy without having more information. Some part of it may be defensive game-planning and schemes. If he is freelancing and still out of position, then he deserves blame, however. But it’s not like he would have gotten stupid overnight so I am tending to think it’s not as much him as the game planning established at the top.

  80. 21sthebest says:

    Doesn’t matter.

  81. Arriba Wilver says:

    He was either on the roster or DL, right?

  82. Arriba Wilver says:


  83. Dom says:

    Were those the old rules?

  84. DJ says:

    Hard to believe the Pens will have their first win before the Steelers.

  85. Jandy says:

    maybe we should get some of the Pens to play for the Steelers:|PIT|home

  86. Damon says:

    How’d you like to be Tampa or Texas who has to have a play in game to get a chance to have another play in game.

  87. Randy Cyphert says:

    DK, MT’s Travel plans are an issue, contrary to what he says. Charlie Batch stated yesterday that the Steelers are 0-7 when they have long trips and arrive late in the week. Also I wonder, are Ziggy and Heyward really busts? Both came from 4-3 D in College. And it was said, especially of Hood that he is a 4-3 tackle. it’s easy to say just learn the system. But that is not reality. This goes directly to Talent/player evaluation. Colbert/Tomlin/Scouts have failed miserably. Explain to me how Mesko has been better than either punter in camp. This is not fixable with the team constructed as it is, with this coaching staff. Let’s Go BUCS!

  88. Milo Hamilton says:

    Rosters aren’t due until 10:00 AM Tuesday. Pirates won’t announce their roster until sometime after that.

  89. Naje says:

    New England played at Wembley last year. They practiced at their fields on Thursday, and boarded a flight for London later that day. Just like the Steelers.

    New England didn’t complain. They just won. Big.

    Of course, a qb getting rid of the ball helps that winning thing. A lot more than taking really ill-timed sacks at the end of a game with no time outs and a real easy opportunity to throw the ball out of the end zone to stop the clock and get off one final play.

  90. JAL says:

    Same rules, it is the flex spots. Any player in system on August 31 can be put on the roster, they could add Polanco if they want too. Snider was on the DL and every player on the DL or the roster August 31 is eligible for the post season roster even no flex spots are available. This article explains it

  91. 21sthebest says:

    The Dodgers would have home field advantage.

  92. JohninOshkosh says:

    What an outstanding series finale for “Breaking Bad.”

    My wife and I both said our hearts were racing.

    I won’t give any spoilers, but the acting and writing, both in the finale and series, were as good as it gets on television.

  93. Randy Cyphert says:

    But the record shows that may be a problem. Also, NE actually has a coach who prepares his team. So maybe you’re correct. Travel not an issue. It’s just a coaching staff not capable of preparing their players ,or a game plan that, you know, works.

  94. DJ says:

    Thanks, Jandy.

    Sweet, tight bullet by Sid.

    Beau showing some great hands as well. Nice to see he has put on a few pounds of muscle as well. Love the kid and expect big things from him this season.

    After going to tomorrow’s Bucs game and watching them bring home a win, looking forward to Pens on Thursday.

  95. DJ says:

    Seeing the placement and touch by Sid reminded me of the time he went to PNC Park and put one in the seats. Not sure, but think it was his first swing. A supreme athlete.

  96. DJ says:

    Seeing the placement and touch by Sid reminded me of the time he went to PNC Park and put one in the seats. Not sure, but think it was his first swing. A supreme athlete.

  97. Jandy says:

    Anytime, DJ…and yes indeed, Sid is quite a supreme athlete. He pushes himself very hard as well as having natural talent. Looking forward to the season…Thursday can’t come soon enough!

  98. DJ says:

    Oops. Should have been below.

  99. Dom says:

    Thank you.

  100. JohninOshkosh says:

    In MLB:

    No team reached 100 victories.

    Two teams lost 100 games (Miami and Houston).

    What managers lose their jobs today ?

  101. Jandy says:

    There, did I fill in ok for Brandanimal? ;)

  102. Jandy says:

    It won’t be CH :)

  103. Lad 9 says:

    Awesome Fred Gwynn reference. LOL

  104. The Justice Avenger says:

    Houston does just lose 100 games…but 111…a 111 games…Crazy stuff! Going out on a limb here, John…but I say..if the Reds lose tomorrow…does Dusty lose his job?

  105. Nate83 says:

    For me there are only two stats that matter concerning the Steelers. If they fix the two thing below they are an average team.

    Sacks: They have 4 and have given up 14
    Turnovers: They have created 0 and have given it up 11 times.

    You can’t win when you never flip the field but your having it flipped on you. You also can’t win if you are never creating 3rd and 15 for the opposition but facing 3rd and 15 yourself about 3 or 4 times a game. They are a team with average talent that could have won 7-9 games maybe 10 with some good luck but the two stats above plus penalties are the most important stats in the NFL. They rank 16th overall in the league in offensive yards per game and 13th in overall defense. They fix those two things and they would be fine. Unfortunately it is more then likely to late.

  106. The Justice Avenger says:

    Since John is asking a question above: Here are questions I have: Does a different Reds team show up at PNC tomorrow? Does this weekend sweep mean anything? Do their 5 loses in a row mean anything?

  107. The Justice Avenger says:


  108. Drew71 says:

    Nah. They’ll just bean him.

  109. Dom says:

    Can I have your assistance with my survivor league? I have already gone with the Pats, Atlanta, Denver, and the Seahawks and I’m stumped which team I can go with this week. Here is the upcoming schedule:

    Buffalo at Cleveland
    SUN, OCT 6
    New Orleans at Chicago
    New England at Cincinnati
    Jacksonville at St. Louis
    Baltimore at Miami
    Philadelphia at NY Giants
    Detroit at Green Bay
    Kansas City at Tennessee
    Seattle at Indianapolis
    Carolina at Arizona
    San Diego at Oakland
    Denver at Dallas
    Houston at San Francisco
    MON, OCT 7
    NY Jets at Atlanta

    Any ideas?

  110. The Justice Avenger says:


  111. NMR says:


    If Jockety hasn’t realized how bad of a manager Dusty is already, then I’d be surprised if one game changed his mind.

    On the other hand, I could see Ron Washington getting the boot if Texas loses tonight.

    Does Ned Yost still have a job? Mike Socia?

    Eric Wedge has already been scapegoated in Seattle, I believe.

  112. Milo Hamilton says:

    Keep your eye on the Girardi situation in New York. It will have an impact on Sveum in Chicago although it looks like he’s in trouble regardless.

  113. Patrick(RI) says:

    The anguish up here is palpable! He is one of my favorite athletes, even if he plays a sport that I have lost interest in. A really solid person.

  114. Drew71 says:

    Ron Washington if the Rangers lose tonight’s 163rd game or Tuesday’s WC game. He may even have to go a step further than that.

  115. tdb1977 says:

    If you go with one of our picks – does the person that picked the winner for this week – do they get 1/16th of the prize :D

  116. Patrick(RI) says:

    If Sveum loses his job, will a manager ever bench a super-salary guy again? And you guys think Tabata lollygags.

  117. Damon says:

    I’d say Atlanta over NY Jets since the Falcons are 1-3 right now and at home….and they are much better than the Jets.

    Also any pick against Jacksonville is worth making.

  118. Damon says:

    Oops….you already took Atlanta….

  119. Milo Hamilton says:

    Something like a dozen or so guys came into this season on the last year of their contract. I think Dusty was one of them. If they lose tomorrow & they were looking for an excuse anyway …

  120. The Justice Avenger says:

    Want an irony about the first playoff game for the Bucs in 20 years? The starting pitcher for the Atlanta Braves on that fateful night in 1992 was John Smoltz. Tomorrow night Smoltz will be part of the announcing team for TBS at PNC Park.

  121. Arriba Wilver says:

    I couldn’t get to it, but Rumbunter at JAL’s Link #6 above is about the Pirates having a surprise for Cueto. My guess is what was mentioned on the news last night—Marlon Byrd.
    Although only 14 PA’s, but he has a 1.56 OPS against Mr. Cueto, .583 BA. I think we know who will be batting 4th.

  122. Arriba Wilver says:

    Anybody else having trouble with having their comments stuck in moderation?

  123. Kevin says:

    yes! never thought it would be the pirates that would hold me over until penguins/NHL season.

  124. Kevin says:

    I agree… Pie has alot more meaning to me than Jones. Not only is he a delicious after-dinner dessert, he’s a number with a randomly repeating never-ending decimal.

  125. Damon says:


  126. NMR says:

    Didn’t realize the contract situation. Thanks, Milo.

  127. Kevin says:

    I’m assuming this list is based entirely on record. It’s ashame the playoff seeding isn’t. I’d much rather play the hapless braves in 3 games then the hapless reds in 1 game.

    Also, I take back everything bad I said about the cardinals. Ok fine not everything. I still say they suck. Beating up on the lowly cubbies doesn’t really change my mind. But they do look slightly less sucky then they did 2 weeks ago.

  128. Milo Hamilton says:

    Phillies have fired pitching coach Rich Dubee. Obviously his fault Roy Halladay got old.

  129. 21sthebest says:

    Dusty is signed through 2014.

  130. Kevin says:

    I like the losing (for the steelers). I hope they lose every game this year. Winning covers up some ugly stuff. Fully believe you learn alot more by failing. Changes clearly need to be made! And you can make lots of change with a #1 pick in 2014.

  131. The Justice Avenger says:

    I like Girardi. He was one of my choices back before Clint was hired.

  132. Nate83 says:

    I would go with San Francisco but I have been horrible a picking games this year in our office pool. Actually everyone has been. Weird year so far.

  133. The Justice Avenger says:

    Oh, and Socia, too. He’s a pretty good manager.

  134. NMR says:

    Thank jeebus.

  135. Milo Hamilton says:

    Greg Maddux maybe ?

  136. NMR says:

    When was the last time a franchise turned into a joke faster than the Phillies?

  137. NMR says:

    Pretty sure Sveum and the Cubs have a John Russell situation going on.

    Both parties seem to be upfront with each other about Dale manning the ship while rebuilding.

  138. Arriba Wilver says:

    Are we sticking strictly with baseball?


  139. CWalton_67 says:

    What are the odds that the Pirates can beat the Reds four in a row?

  140. NMR says:

    Haha, I see what you did there…

  141. Bob Hasis says:

    Just one comment for this hour; .285 vs .211. Who should play? A no-brainer where I come from, but – speaking of managers – we have one who is confused.

  142. Arriba Wilver says:

    Probably the same as the odds they can beat them in a one game playoff.

  143. The Justice Avenger says:

    Have to head out to a meeting, but wanted to throw out a quick question: As we start this tourney later with the “play-in” game in Texas: Who are your World Series choices? It is One possible matchup I like is Oakland vs. L.A…..

  144. Drew71 says:

    They don’t have to. Just one.

  145. Kevin says:

    Ben isn’t the getting rid of the ball kind of qb. In fact he’s the exact opposite, holding onto the ball and scrambling around for his receivers to get open. Thats when he is at his best… if you are expecting him to change at this point, might as well trade him and start new.

  146. 21sthebest says:

    2010 to 2011 Twins maybe?

  147. The Justice Avenger says:

    And, by just one run…

  148. Arriba Wilver says:

    Your boy has the yips in the field, Mr. Hasis. And your favorite manager just “managed” the team to 94 wins. Must be the luckiest SOB on the planet.

  149. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thank you sir.

  150. Drew71 says:

    I like Pittsburgh-Cleveland.

    It’ll never happen but if we’re talking “like”, I like it.

  151. JohninOshkosh says:

    I thought Dusty was gone after last year and they extended his contract for 2 years. When the Reds lose tomorrow, that will be the fourth club (2 with Cincy) that have joked for Dusty in the playoffs. I think Washington is in deep trouble with a loss today, or even in the divisional series.

    It looks like the honeymoon is over in Chicago with Epstein and Tom Ricketts. Getting it from the Chicago press and fans. Chicago doesn’t have much tolerance for the small market, build with prospects approach. I was listening to sports radio out of Chicago today and a lot of the fans want them to take the Dodger approach. One guy was yelling, “there is no salary cap in baseball.” Will be interesting to see how Ricketts and Epstein sell the “stay the course” message with that fan base.

  152. JohninOshkosh says:

    Epstein and Hoyer are getting it from Chicago columnists for hanging Svuem out to dry last week with some of their comments.

    Not sure ole half ass windbreaker survives!

  153. Milo Hamilton says:

    If Greg Schiano gets the boot in Tampa, Dave Wannstedt maybe ? Please ? Pretty please ?

  154. JohninOshkosh says:

    That would be two former Cubbies leading them if Philly sticks with Ryno.

    I would like to see Maddog get a shot.

  155. 21sthebest says:

    Maybe you’re confused. A month or so ago you analyzed Mercer and Barmes defensively declaring Mercer stronger at every facet of defense (you listed around 6-8 skills). Yesterday you said there is no difference in defensive ability.

  156. Eric Bowser says:

    Nothing will keep me from the Pirates game tomorrow, not even a 2:30 AM wake up call this morning from good old Kidney Stone. Back home from the hospital and resting in bed with my friend Mr. Percocet.

    Speaking of medication, Steelers players and coaches looked to be on something…

  157. JohnS says:

    Great use of music last night as well.

  158. JohninOshkosh says:

    Careful with the Percocet, Eric. But, hope you are better by tomorrow evening.

  159. JohninOshkosh says:

    *joked…choked…same thing I guess.

  160. Eric Bowser says:

    Thanks John…. lots of water… lots and lots of water.

  161. Eric Bowser says:

    That would be awesome

  162. Jandy says:

    WOW! Hubby had an episode with good ol’ kidney stones January 2011. Said he’s never felt pain like it and hope he doesn’t ever again. The surgery to remove the 2 stones went well…the recuperation not so well. If it hasn’t been so horrible seeing him in pain, I’d have laughed.
    I had percoset when I had wisdom teeth removed. I literally had an out of body experience. I flushed them down the toilet. Took 4 ibuprofen instead.

    Feel Better, friend, and enjoy the game :)

  163. JohninOshkosh says:

    I just hope more coaches and managers are escorted off charter jets and taken to an airport meeting room to get sacked.

    Stay classy, Administrators of Troy. Oh, and best. firing. ever.

  164. NMR says:

    I’m sure an argument could be made.

    Personally, I know I EXPECTED that to happen once they decided to appease their fans by locking up Mauer and Morneau instead of investing that money into building a complete team. Without MAJOR contributions from the farm system, they were doomed to implode as soon as the ink dried on those contracts.

    I guess plenty of people can share deserved laughs at Terry Ryan’s continued pitching philosophy failures.

  165. Jandy says:

    I love you to death Bob, but…c’mon…


  166. Jandy says:

    very good at this point :)

  167. cosmo says:

    the team the steelers play against, oh wait they are on a bye week next week. Think about the chiefs, Titans lost starting qb this week.

  168. Kevin says:

    the pirates beat the cardinals 4 in a row a month or so ago… why can’t they do the same to a hapless reds team?

  169. JohninOshkosh says:

    Good questions. I like the Pirates chances with Frankie, though.

  170. NMR says:

    Is it wierd that I read that story in Breaking Bad style?

    Kiffin was the rabid dog, and they just sent him to Belize.

  171. Kevin says:

    rather lucky than good… still believe we should be the one and only team at 100 wins on the season. Maybe a better manager gets us there? but probably not, every guy put in there will make mistakes. Just look at Dusty Baker. He took what should be a 100-win team and made them look terrible.

  172. Kevin says:

    good job picking Seattle. were you sweating waiting for the outcome of that game?

  173. Nate83 says:

    I just read a column that was reposted from 2000 about Chad Hermansen. It talked about the pressure on him and how toxic the club house was at that time. It’s amazing what a good atmospere can do for a team. Reading that column makes me realize how far this team and organization has come.

    It all starts with Hurdle and Cutch. Those two men have created an atmosphere that some teams would love to have. It’s impossible with the attitude and joy that those two men bring to the ballpark everyday not to feel good about your chances of winning. Everyone is pulling for everyone. Really a joy to watch.

  174. JRay3 says:

    St Louis is a 13 point favorite over the Jags, safe bet they will win that one at home.

  175. Bizrow says:

    As good a chance as anything else.

    I like our chances

  176. Dom says:

    Thanks but I didn’t pick them in the order I gave. I actually went with Denver this past week.

    I think I might go with KC the home teams in any of the following games:
    Buffalo at Cleveland
    Jacksonville at St. Louis
    Detroit at Green Bay
    Carolina at Arizona
    San Diego at Oakland

  177. Kevin says:

    No comments on this one yet so I’ll go ahead and crack this lil egglet.

    Congrats to Andrew Lambo on his first real HR!

    Any chance Lambo makes the postseason roster?

  178. JohninOshkosh says:


  179. Kevin says:

    also.. anyone else notice that Andrew Lambo looks eerily similar Robert Bortuzzo? Ok, thats all I have on Lambo. :|

  180. JohninOshkosh says:


  181. SeanAY says:

    Conversely, I’ve always been a proponent of saying that chemistry / atmosphere is a result of winning, not a cause of winning.

    I seem to recall that Jack Wilson was disliked by a certain sect of his teammates for his positive attitude and joy in the clubhouse.

    Again, it’s amazing what wonders winning brings about.

  182. Bob Hasis says:

    That point was for those like you who seem to “hang on the thread” that Barmes deserves to play.
    There is no difference to the extent that you Barmes lovers feel he is the better choice.
    Every facet of playing shortstop favors Mercer – arm, jump range, etc., etc.,

    What causes such apparent blindness? It it’s your diet, please consider a change.

    Barmes can not play this game. He obviously (maybe just to me) cannot hit!

  183. SeanAY says:

    Better than being exiled to manage a Cinnabon in Omaha.

  184. Bob Hasis says:

    and your boy cannot throw or get to half of the balls he should. Outside of that he is fair.

  185. kr70 says:

    rosters yet??

  186. JohninOshkosh says:

    + Hilarious.

  187. Jandy says:

    Agreed, but that won’t change anything either.

  188. Bob Hasis says:

    I could give this blog a seminar on playing shortstop, and I’d invite Barmes to attend – and AW

  189. NMR says:

    Man, rough town. I know sports are inherently unfair, but I can’t fault a single way Hoyer and Epstein have rebuilt, including monetarily.

    The answer anytime somebody questions what good it would be for rebuilding teams like the Astros (or Pirates, for that matter) to spend money “just for a few extra wins” should be the Chicago Cubs.

    They’ve flipped minor investments like Maholm, Johnson, and Feldman into legit prospects, while also locking up Edwin Jackson for when the team does begin to win (and they eventually will).

    If Rizzo, Castro, and Samardizja bounce back next season, I could see them hitting 75 wins before a single top prospect takes the field.

  190. Naje says:

    which Dubee, you be?

    That was a joke from “What’s Happenin!?” When Rog got to interview the Doobie Brothers…. he asked, “Which Doobie, you be…?”

    Vague, double entendre memory for the day.

  191. Jandy says:

    could be brothers lol

  192. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t like platooning shorstops at all and I don’t like a late inning replacement there. I think shortstop is the toughest position to come in late and play. I remember one instance when Barmes came in late and made an error.

    I have thought for a while now that Jordy should be the starter despite what I think is his weaker defense. I think his bat more than makes up for it. And he was improving defensively, IMO, for a while but lately I think he looks pretty bad.

    You response above to me makes zero sense. I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. And it also seems pretty egotistical and obnoxious to call out someone else for being blind when they simply don’t agree with you.

  193. Bob Hasis says:

    Well I guess I did over the last several months – and last year too – but still the same mentality pervades. Oh well, I tried.

  194. CWalton_67 says:

    I like their chances too, Biz. Hoping for the players and all the die- hard fans that never gave up that the season continues.

  195. Naje says:

    So could I, Mr. Grand PooBah of all shortstops to ever play the game.

    Mercer is an error in a big spot in a game waiting to happen.

  196. NMR says:

    Haha…man, could you imagine being the third party in a conversation with War Horse and Hasis?

  197. Arriba Wilver says:

    You think this roster is a 100 win team?

    Bet you didn’t pick them to win 100 before the season started.

  198. CWalton_67 says:

    Get well soon, Eric.

  199. theplanisworking says:

    + many !!!!!!!!!!

  200. Bizrow says:


  201. Kevin says:

    How bout those brownies? After making a highly criticized trade (Trent Richardson) to leverage their future, they’ve won 2 in a row… maybe the steelers should do something similarly crazy?

  202. Jandy says:

    I’m tired of the old arguments. And really, neither one is perfecf, or even close. I love Jordy but lately his fielding has regressed as well. He SHOULD be pretty decent in a season or two. Until then, Barmes plays.

  203. Kevin says:

    Thanks plan. For mentioning Bell as a positive. I would take it a step further… Bell survived his first game without injury. Very positive.

  204. Jandy says:

    sad, indeed :(

  205. Bob Hasis says:

    You obviously pay little attention to the techniques used by the super young shortstops around the leagues, Tulovitzki, Hardy, Segura, et al.

    They get behind the ball, the plant their feet, they stride into the throw with their left foot while the right one is planted, and “gun a seed” to first base. Can you think of a time Barmes did that?

    And don’t be so thin-skinned; you are not to old to learn.

  206. theplanisworking says:

    I am telling you, AW, our computers are possessed !

  207. theplanisworking says:

    Loved the show, loved that episode.
    I think the friends helped capture bootleggers at a concert.

    Maybe Rerun can play O-Line for the Steelers? ;)

  208. Bob Hasis says:

    Why is no one spewing about the errors that Pedro makes, with a question as to whether he should play?
    Oh yes we need his bat. Well that truth is also about Mercer!

  209. Arriba Wilver says:

    You forgot AJ. Can’t forget AJ.

  210. Scott says:

    Exactly. It’s sad that I still keep reading quotes from players saying they believe the talent in the room is there. It’s not. These players just aren’t good enough.

    I’m baffled how anybody thought this team would improve in 2013 after losing their best receiver, best running back, a proven offensive lineman, and the heart and soul of their linebacking corps.

  211. Arriba Wilver says:

    Can he skate?

  212. Jandy says:

    First off, I don’t “spew”.

    Second, Petey does a decent job at third.

    Third, DO you have a replacement in mind for Petey?

  213. Dom says:

    i think that will be my pick. Thank you all for your help.

  214. 21sthebest says:

    Barmes has a different technique. Everyone knows that. I think he’s better than Mercer.

    What you’ve just demonstrated is that you don’t know the first thing about playing shortstop.

  215. Jandy says:

    pssst! You’re a troublemaker! :D

  216. NMR says:


    The listless, blank expressions plastered over the faces of Pirate players for the last month of 2011 and 2012 are far too fresh for me to give credence to Hurdle being some master of attitude adjustments. Those were the same Pirates as each and every one of the previous losing years.

    IMO, the 2013 team is concrete proof that better players win games, which leads to a better atmosphere.

  217. Scott says:

    I hope you’re being sarcastic. Garrett Jones is pathetic. He hit .169 in August and .143 in September. You want him on your playoff roster?

  218. NMR says:

    No, I agree completely, AW.

    Hanley Ramirez was quoted after reviving his career with the Dodgers as saying that everyone in the Marlins dugout was just happy to be there. From prospects just called up to veterans collecting a paycheck.

    AJ put any thought of that happening in the Pirate dugout to bed, I would imagine.

  219. Scott says:

    The sweep of the Reds also allowed the Pirates to finish 24-24 in their final 48 games and return to 26 games over .500, their high-water mark of the season, first achieved when they were 70-44.

  220. 21sthebest says:

    People were complaining about Pedro’s errors at third. But it looks like he’s improving. 3 errors in his last 41 games.

  221. Jandy says:

    I want to say I agree with AW as well, and I do, was just trying to rattle his chain a bit.
    AJ has had a tremendous influence on the attitude and work ethic with this Pirates’ team, starting from the day he signed on.

  222. Bob Hasis says:

    You can come to my seminar too

  223. War Horse says:

    Sveum fired.

  224. Dom says:

    I’m rooting for them to succeed so they are forced to trade all those picks they’ve been obtaining to us so they can draft their future QB.

  225. Bob Hasis says:

    I was never one of those who complained – I love Pedro at third and his howitzer of an arm.

    Why is everyone so sensitive to the choice of words today; spew is a synonym for talking, spouting off, at least I think so.

    When Pedro is not hitting HR’s and IS striking out profusely, ANYONE would suffice as a replacement

    That is anyone except Barmes

  226. Bizrow says:

    Wow, that is a bit of a surprise

  227. JohninOshkosh says:

    I doubt he will ever manage again at the big league level. He can take his place with JR.

  228. War Horse says:

    Thougtful essay by Tim Williams about what happens next year with players like Jones, Tabata, Cumpton and others.

  229. Bob Hasis says:

    I just had a belly laugh – “did you say different technique”?

  230. Kevin says:

    buffalo @ cleveland is tough. I don’t yet trust EJ Manuel and Cleveland is pulling wins from somewhere. I dunno how. Of those games you list, I would probably pick St. Louis.

  231. JohninOshkosh says:

    First time “thoughtful” and “Tim Williams” have appeared in the same sentence.

    Plus, it was in JAL’s links. :)

  232. Tom P. says:

    Get well soon, playoffs or no playoffs.

  233. Kevin says:

    I’m not really big on betting on sports. But, you are correct. I thought this team was maybe a 70 win team in March and I was confirmed after the first several games. I didn’t really believe 90 wins was possible until late May.

  234. Jandy says:

    Bortuzzo can :D

  235. Jandy says:

    I was looking for that…

  236. Jandy says:

    OK, who?

  237. theplanisworking says:

    No surprise.

    If Girardi doesnt go back to the Yanks, he is rumored to be a candidate in Chicago.

  238. Jandy says:

    I’d love to see him in Chicago.

    Screw New York. :D

  239. Bizrow says:

    Forgot about that rumor

  240. buggee says:

    ROFL! really dig that show. too bad it’s all over! but it was definitely the highlight of Sunday tv viewing.


  241. Nate83 says:

    I actually agree with all the comments everyone has made. Winning does help and is part of the equation. Winning becomes extremely difficult with a toxic clubhouse like it sounds like they had 13 years ago.

    I believe Terry Francona has made a huge difference in how the Indians played this year. Yes they had more talent but I’ve heard former players of his say that he makes everyone on his team from the star to the last guy off the bench feel like they can lift mountains. That kind of attitude has to have some effect on wins and losses.

  242. NMR says:

    Could have big implications as to when the Cubs start ramping up payroll.

    I doubt they hire a big name to babysit for a couple years.

  243. JAL says:

    yep my error on today

  244. theplanisworking says:

    Girardi is a native of Peoria, and went to school at Northwestern.
    Also heard Scoscia is rumored for the job, if LAA fires him.

    John Russell is available too. ;)

  245. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, Biz, October is the “silly season” for manager rumors.

  246. 21sthebest says:

    Cubs will have their 5th manager in 5 seasons.

  247. theplanisworking says:

    Lunch break.

    Just helping s friend clean the garage out today and tomorrow. Starting next week, we start converting it into a big room. I am in charge of the heavy lifting………. unlike the Steelers O-Line.


  248. Jandy says:

    You’re a good neighbor, if you ever consider moving this way, let me know ;)

  249. The Justice Avenger says:

    And just saw Wedge, too from Seattle. Well, they say “resignation”.

  250. NMR says:

    Ha, I laughed… :)

    But I did read the article, and thought Williams covered the bases pretty well.

    Cumpton won’t get a shot above AAA unless there are serious injuries or Jeff Locke sucks. Which would be great, considering the positive implications of those two events not happening.

    I don’t see any way Pimentel hasn’t earned a spot on the pitching staff next spring. Kid is actually seven months YOUNGER than Gerrit Cole. He’s the only reliever I could see jumping into the rotation, if need be.

    Jones will be the easiest non-tender on the team. It was no secret Huntington shopped his services last winter, presumably without finding a taker willing to give up much of value. That clearly won’t change this time around.

  251. Tom P. says:

    Just checked the Pirates schedule and box score from earlier this year. Jhonny Cueto allowed one hit over 8 innings against the Pirates at PNC on May 31. The Pirate who got the hit was Brandon Inge. Anybody know how to get Mat Latos healthy by tomrrrow night?

  252. NMR says:

    Will there be hors d’ors?

  253. Bizrow says:

    And I also mistakenly thought Sveum was with the Brewers

    0 for two on this one ;-)

  254. The Justice Avenger says:

    Get our resident nun to start praying!. Jandy?

  255. Nate83 says:

    I didn’t know Pimentel was that young. He certainly didn’t do anything this year to hurt himself. The age makes me think he still has room to develope. I really like the 9K/2 walks ratio since being up with the big club. Maybe Searage and veteran pitchers have already had a positive influance on him. I’m excited to see what he can bring. If/when AJ retires it would be nice to have another 8-9K guy waiting in the wings.

  256. Tom P. says:

    The Pirates also got 1 run and 2 hits off Cueto in 4.1 innings on April 13, at which point he left the game with an injury.

  257. Milo Hamilton says:

    Texas’ outstanding wish bone quarterback of the late 60’s James Street has died at 65. Padres reliever Huston Street is his son.

  258. Nate83 says:

    I’m not sure Cueto wouldn’t have pitched anyways. Latos although good has never been the most consistant pitcher. I could be wrong but I don’t remember Cueto having many starts that are not quality. He always seems to give you 6 or 7 innings and rarely gives up more then 3 earned runs. He seems pretty consistant.

  259. 21sthebest says:

    “Nothing will keep me from the Pirates game tomorrow”

    Yeah. Selling one of your kids kind of gave us that impression.

    Hope you feel better!

  260. cmat0829 says:

    A few pop out at me:

    San Fran at home (Houston is not good on the road and Niners have awakened)
    Green Bay at home (they can’t afford to lose this one)
    ST Louis at home (Jacksonville is putrid)

  261. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Joe Girardi situation comes down to one thing (other than looking for a raise, of course), he’s looking for assurances that management will make the financial commitment necessary to be competitive. How ironic, and awesome, is that ?

  262. cmat0829 says:

    no surprise whatsoever. He was a lame duck as soon as he was hired, seat warmer until Theo could coax a bigger name to manage the Cubbies. Say hello to Joe Girardi in a few days as new manager of the cubs

  263. cmat0829 says:

    Joe should RUN to Chicago, Cubs are in better shape than Yanks right now as owners of Yanks are hellbent to get below luxury tax and their system is BARREN.

  264. Jandy says:

    :sending up prayers:

  265. JohninOshkosh says:

    Good stuff, Milo.

    Theo and Jed’s worst nightmare came true this year. Cherrington (sp?) turned the Sawx around.

  266. theplanisworking says:

    No, I am afraid if I do something you dont like, I will get the dreaded 9 wides!

    Off to do more stuff.
    See yinz later.

  267. cmat0829 says:

    Gotta love the Toothpick… Mat Latos has loose spurs in his pitching elbow so he can’t pitch the wild card game, but he “should be in line to start the first game of the NLDS on Thursday”? They don’t want to take a chance on him pitching on Tuesday but what the hell, roll the dice on Thursday???

  268. theplanisworking says:

    THIS is why you are doing poorly in Playoffs window ! ;)

  269. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wonder what the Twins will decide with Gardy ?

  270. Jandy says:

    LOL! Later on, friend :)

  271. theplanisworking says:

    Is there any way we can get Dustball spayed or neutered?
    Or euthanized?

  272. AJS says:

    So based on that article that was posted about post season roster rules, to exclude Snider otr Buck or someone like that would require them to be DFA or put on the DL. Would DFA place them on waivers and risk losing them? That changes how I would handle the play off rosters quite a bit. For instance I would not carry Buck into any series if I didn’t ahve to. I would rather have Tony’s bat off the bench. If Martin were to get hurt for any extended period of time I would replace him with Buck at the start of the next round. The choice to startBuck or Sanchez in that round would be interesting.

    But if I am going to have to DFA Buck and put him on waivers then I just go ith Buck from the beginning.

  273. AJS says:

    ven if Latos was healthy they were going to pitch Cueto not real sure why the Reds are playing games like that. Just dosn’t make a lot of sense.

  274. Milo Hamilton says:

    Gardy’s back. 2 year extension.

  275. AJS says:

    And i this is the case how do you go about being able to place a bunch of extra bench bats on the roster for the wold card gaem and then add them in the LDS? I HAVE to be missing something here.

  276. Milo Hamilton says:

    MLB expecting trouble ? Joe West has the plate tomorrow.

  277. Bizrow says:

    I’ve read that he’s coming back, this per MLBTradeRumors – The Twins have called a press conference for 2:30pm CT this afternoon, and the team will announce the re-signing of manager Ron Gardenhire, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (Twitter link). The contract is expected to be a two-year deal, adds Rosenthal, who also tweets that Gardenhire would not have accepted a one-year deal and likely wanted assurance that the team’s payroll would rise again before accepting a new deal.

  278. Jandy says:

    Just jello, to go with the belly laugh…

  279. Bizrow says:

    One of many, many reasons ;-)

    But so far this season, with the PBC I’ve hit the lottery

  280. JohninOshkosh says:

    I gotta quit working so much and surf the internet more. Thanks, I missed that one. :)

  281. Vinny Giardina says:

    Of course the players are going to say that. That’s why the players don’t get to pick their own team.

  282. NMR says:

    Only an organization as inept as Major League Baseball would enable an egomaniac by placing him front and center during a sudden death playoff game.

  283. Vinny Giardina says:

    I think more about that every year. Sometimes I think the only thing that keeps me interested in football is inertia.

  284. AJS says:

    Agreed. And I don’t have any confidence that whoever replaces Selig in 2015 will be any better.

  285. NMR says:

    Hunter Pence getting $18m/yr, BEFORE even making it on to the free market, pretty much throws a wet blanket on those hopes that TV money will improve the Pirates free agent chances, right?

  286. Bizrow says:

    They will just have to choose wisely, like they did with Martin and Liriano this past season.

    But I hear ya, if everyone gets more monopoly money, the “have nots” have a bit more to spend, but aren’t going to catch up with the “haves”

  287. Jandy says:

    WTH is swrong with these people?????

    Makes me wanna kick somebody Grrrr!!

  288. Damon says:

    If that is the asking price for Pence, I’m not sure how they could even bring in one major free agent let alone re-signing Liriano or extending Pedro’s contract. $18m is almost 1/3 the Pirates actual salary.

  289. Kevin says:

    I liked Mercer until he threw that ball away for the 3rd out the other night. That was the ONLY play that I can remember that Mercer fouled up that cost us a game. And for that reason alone, I trust Barmes defensively more than Mercer.

  290. Nate83 says:

    All it does is allow us to offer 10 million to a guy that use to get 10 million but now will get 13-15 million. It’s a pebble landing in a very large pond. The ripple is barely even noticable if at all.

  291. radio wave says:

    AL wild card game Wednesday.

  292. Damon says:

    If Wandy is still hurt next year, can he still take the player option to extend his contract for $13m? Do the Astros pay for any of that? That would be a major owie to the budget if that comes to pass….

  293. John Lease says:

    Over a guy who hit .138?

    Yes, jabroni.

  294. Bizrow says:

    I’m pretty sure Wandy can take the option, and the Strows will pay around 5 or 6 million if he does.

    And he would be nutzo not to take the option, does anyone know exactly what is wrong with him? Or the latest info as to why he was shut down for the season?

  295. Kevin says:

    and pence isn’t even that good…

  296. Bizrow says:

    It must be something related to having no options left.

    But kinda goofy that you have to use up an option in the post season

    Only budmeister

  297. Dom says:

    I dont think they chose wisely as much as they chose luckily.

  298. Damon says:

    Awesome! Glad they didn’t go the towel-route.

  299. Jim S. says:

    Seriously, Dom? You think the Pirates got “lucky” with Liriano and Martin? No skill in evaluation whatsoever? Wow.

  300. Jim S. says:

    Good to be Hunter Pence. Be a little better than average offensively, have the worst arm in MLB from the OF, be a decent to good fielder, a good baserunner, and get $18 million x 5 from the Giants.

  301. 21sthebest says:

    A couple of NH shows ago he said flexor tendon strain.

    Astros pay for $5.5M of $13M contract. If he can’t pitch I would imagine the Pirates have insurance to cover a portion. Neal said he hopes Wandy exercises the option.

  302. NMR says:

    Last word from Dr. Andrews was arthritis. Tendons were fine.

    I get the feeling that the Pirates, and Wandy, and sticking with forearm strain, though.

    I’m not sure any Major League pitcher has ever continued throwing through an arthritic elbow diagnosis, fwiw.

  303. Jim S. says:

    Exactly. Cueto may not be completely healthy. I think that might be why they considered Latos. When healthy, Cueto is a better pitcher.

  304. Thundercrack says:

    I know it is now monopoly money, but that deal Pence shocked me.

    Too much money for too many years

  305. Jim S. says:

    Stolmy is young, but Cole is 8 months younger. I think you may have counted in the wrong direction there.

    From the Bucs website, Cole was born in Sept. ’90 and Stolmy Feb. of ’90.

  306. Jim S. says:

    7 months younger. I counted incorrectly also.

  307. Dom says:

    Well, we’re fortunate that Liriano turned out as good as he did. I think he surpassed everyone’s expectations. The Buccos were rumored to also be in the mix for Edwin Jackson, so although they do get credit for signing the right guy in Liriano, they could just as easily choose the wrong guy in Jackson.

  308. Bizrow says:

    It knocked Koufax out at what 30-31?

  309. Bizrow says:


  310. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, that didn’t sound promising. I think his full return is 50/50.

  311. NMR says:

    But they didn’t.

    That’s the point.

  312. Bizrow says:

    Did you see now with that signing that Choo is shooting for a 9 digit deal?

    Well thats per Bora$$, as Jandy would call him ;-)

    Now, that is outrageous

  313. NMR says:

    Yes sir.

  314. toochca says:

    Who is the rest of the crew?

  315. NMR says:

    With Pence at $90m is Choo at $100m that outrageous?

    I don’t think he’ll get as much as Pence, but I think he’s worth every penny.

  316. Dom says:

    Bear in mind this goes the both ways. When they have chosen the wrong guys, I have been defending them by reminding everyone that nobody knows who will have a career year.

  317. Dom says:

    I’m glad he’s done complaining about ownership.

  318. NMR says:

    Nice catch, Jim. I had both Fangraphs pages up. Must’ve confused them.

    Point stands, though, wouldn’t you say?

  319. Bizrow says:

    31 or so and has never been an all star, grated only here for 2-3 years so far

    To me, most 9 digit contracts are outrageous, especially at his age and the fact a lot of his game is based on speed.

    Just sayin

  320. NMR says:

    Larry, Moe, and…ah that was too easy.

  321. Dom says:

    Buccos are 1.5 run favorites for the game tomorrow night.

  322. toochca says:

    Glad to be your straight man NMR!!

  323. NMR says:

    No idea why All Star voting, as ridiculously flawed as it is, should be considered for contract value.

    If anything, Choo is a perfect example for how awful that system has become. You can’t tell me that a guy who has averaged .288/.389/.465 for his career spanning six seasons never had an all-star worthy campaign.

    But different strokes, I suppose.

  324. NMR says:

    I suppose that is fair, Dom.

    Different way to look at it.

  325. Jim S. says:

    I agree that Liriano turned out better than expected, but they zeroed in on him from the start. They determined that he was healthy again and was an excellent bounce back candidate. They also knew his stuff would play much better in the NL. If they were just taking a flier on Liriano, they would have run for the hills when he broke his arm. That would have been safer. But, they didn’t because they thought he was going to be a solid pitcher. They outsmarted all the other teams on him, Melancon/Pimentel, Gomez.

    They also knew Russell Martin was among the 2 o3 3 best defensive catchers in the league. They knew he had the best pitch framing results in MLB over several years. It is time for us all to recognize that the Pirates are now one of the smarter organizations in MLB, and that began before this season.

  326. Milo Hamilton says:

    Doug Drabek will throw out 1st pitch. His arm’s probably in better shape than his son’s.

  327. 21sthebest says:

    I think it is a towel.

  328. Jim S. says:

    The only reason I caught it was because I thought I had heard Stolmy was 23 when the season started. So, I checked the roster and I first came to the conclusion that Cole was indeed older. I actually counted backwards the first time, before looking at it again.

    I agree with you, though, that Stolmy will get a legit shot at a starting slot next year. If not, he should be in the pen from day 1 – unless they want to keep him stretched out at Indy. He has a great arm and nasty stuff.

  329. Milo Hamilton says:

    Bucs will use 9 pitchers. The regular 7 relievers, Liriano & Cole plus all 3 catchers. Leaves six other bench spots.

  330. Dom says:

    Can he also come in for relief?

  331. NMR says:

    Nice, Jim.

    Russell Martin is the guy to hang their proverbial hat on, IMO. I seem to remember a certain Pittsburgh writer questioning whether a .211 hitting catcher was worth $16m. I believe the word “crazy” may have been thrown around.

    Well, Martin turned out to be a .226 hitting catcher…and worthy of every penny and more. No luck there at all. No fluky season. Just good ole baseball smarts.

  332. Arriba Wilver says:

    When he was complaining he had every right to. It was the beginning of the 2006 season, the season that brought us Jeromy Burnitz and Joe Randa as our signature signings.

  333. Milo Hamilton says:

    I would add The Farns to that mix but that’s just me.

  334. NMR says:

    Thanks, Jim.

    Just wondering if you saw room for improvement.

  335. Bizrow says:

    I know I was complaining back then ;-)

    He was just saying what most folks were thinking….

  336. Dom says:

    You’re right about that. Good stuff.

  337. 21sthebest says:

    But some of us would never say it if we were a celebrity invited to throw out the first pitch.

    So it sounds like he’s coming home for the game?

  338. Bizrow says:

    Sounds like it

  339. Jim S. says:

    I said on Friday that I was optimistic about the weekend in Cincy. I had a good feeling the Bucs would be playing at home on Tuesday. I just thought, and still do think, that they are simply better than Cincinnati. They pretty much have been all year. They should have won 2 of 3 in PNC last weekend. We all know that.

    Still, though, 1 game take it or leave it scenarios are a scary proposition. The better team doesn’t always win. Cueto can be downright nasty, and a small break either way can decide a single game. I still like our chances, but you never know what will happen tomorrow.

    That said, the Bucs have provided so much enjoyment for me and my family this year. They have exceeded all expectations, and I have said a million times that I think they are on a good path for the future. I will be extremely bummed if this game doesn’t go the way I think it should. But, I can’t get down on this team, regardless.

    It all started with Clint Hurdle. I believe he is the best manager in MLB from an interpersonal standpoint. I believe these guys would run through a brick wall, one man at a time, for him. I believe Clint’s attitude and resolve are the biggest reasons they are so good at bouncing back from losses. He is, quite simply, a man of high character. I truly believe that. I don’t always agree with his strategic decisions, but those are outweighed a million times over by what he does before and after the games to make this a great ballclub.

    I don’t know if anyone here caught many of the player interviews on ROOT this week, in which they were asked to tell us their most memorable moments of the season. Pedro Alvarez said his most memorable moment was a game winning hit by Travis Snider of all people. I thought that was so cool to hear from the guy who led the league in HRs. Neil Walker talked about how the fans fully embraced the team during the 5 game series with St. Louis. Marlon Byrd maybe had the coolest response of all that I heard. He said his greatest memory was his first at bat as a Pirate, when he battled for 14 pitches before striking out. It was the standing ovation he got on the way to the dugout that he will remember most. He said that he has played in Boston, NYC, Chicago, etc. and he never got a standing O after a whiff. He said he knew then and there these fans were for real. I vividly recall that at bat as well. I got chills when the fans stood and cheered for him after the 14 pitch at bat. I was proud of the baseball intelligence of those in attendance that night. In case you don’t recall, Marlon actually hit a 3-run HR later in that game to seal the win. But, he thought the fan reaction to his strikeout was his best memory. How cool is that?

    These guys get it. Every last one of them gets it. When they gave Andrew Lambo the cold shoulder treatment after his first big league HR, and then rushed over to him en masse a minute later on Saturday, I loved it. I know that is a long standing MLB tradition. But, that was a huge game and it would have been easy to forget in the tenseness of the situation. These guys didn’t let the moment pass because they get it.

    The house will be rocking like no MLB venue in a long, long time tomorrow night. Fans from around the country will be treated to playoff baseball in Pittsburgh, and they are going to be stunned by the passion of Bucs Nation. I think we’ll win that game tomorrow. But, even if we don’t, I am thrilled and heartened that our Bucs are a force again.

  340. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hey, they were lucky he showed.


  341. Lad 9 says:

    I was just about to post that link. Really nice story. Thanks Biz

  342. Jim S. says:

    + many, Arriba. His voice carried more weight than 10,000 average fans. I know it did not pay immediate dividends in terms of money being poured into the payroll, but I think it got Nutting’s attention to the point where maybe he could not take us all for granted.

  343. Ghost says:

    This morning Drew said:
    I’ll say this for Pie. Cool last name. Three letters. Six syllables.
    Let’s see Jones do THAT.

    Jones shares the name of an important part of the male anatomy. Pie’s is that of the female counterpart.

  344. Milo Hamilton says:

    Bud Selig promotes Rob Manfred to MLB Chief Operating Officer, er “coach in waiting”.

  345. 21sthebest says:

    Well Michael would be happy to know that we were 27th in payroll in 2006 and 26th this year.

  346. Jim S. says:

    I really, really like Michael Keaton. That is all.

  347. Arriba Wilver says:

    I didn’t say he had the right answer, just that at that time he, as a lifelong Pirate fan, had every right to complain. They did end up losing 95 games that year.

  348. Jim S. says:

    He’s better than Pence, I think. If you plug Choo into a corner OFposition, I’d take him over Pence anyday. Great leadoff hitter. Who doesn’t want .400+ OB% with a little pop?

  349. 21sthebest says:

    Well Keaton did a great job. It only took Nutting 6 years to raise payroll from where it was in 2006 :-)

  350. 21sthebest says:

    Yup. I think everyone has a right to complain. I just thought he could have been a lot more diplomatic. And smarter.

  351. Jim S. says:

    I agree, Dom. You are always fair. I just think they knew more about Liriano and Martin than we originally thought.

  352. Nate83 says:

    I really really like the Michael Keaton who did Gung Ho and Night Shift. The Batman one not as much.

  353. Wild Bill says:

    Can Cowboy Joe even see the corners that Liriano likes to hit at this stage of his career? Horrible decision.

  354. Jim S. says:

    Yep. I like Stolmy a lot. I believe they view him the way they did Wilson last off-season. He could start in this league. Or, be a big time reliever first. He strikes out about 8/9 innings and does not give up many hits. What’s not to like, other than we still need to see if his improved control is going to stay?

  355. Jim S. says:

    Night Shift was great. He carried that mini tape recorder around in case he had great thoughts – like mixing tuna fish and mayonnaise together in the can. That flick is worth going back into the archives and seeing again. Henry Winkler was very good also.

  356. Thundercrack says:

    He had every right to complain. I just didn’t appreciate when he did it.
    You’re invited by the team to throw out the first pitch. You are a guest….I think he should have been a little more gracious.

    Pick another time to get up on your soapbox and air your grievances.

    (And I thought what he said was true.)

  357. Thundercrack says:

    I didn’t read Tim Williams article yet either.

    Did he mention if Stolmy was out of options?

    I thought I heard that he was.

  358. 21sthebest says:

    I still love Mr. Mom.

  359. Thundercrack says:

    Both guys are on the wrong side of 30.

    The last 2+ years of those contracts could be brutal

  360. Wild Bill says:

    Thanks for this, Jim. Beats the heck out of the Great Shortstop Debate of 2013.

    My worst nightmare is that the Bucs lose tomorrow, and we have the next three months of the Steelers to look forward to.

    On the other hand, we have the Pens.

  361. Jim S. says:

    I think Keaton is extremely passionate, and always has been. I recall him being on something like the Today Show, when we were battling the Mets around ’89 or ’90. He was sitting there, and he said, “Do you want to see every New Yorker’s biggest nightmare?” Then, he pulled out a Pirates hat and put it on.

    Maybe he slammed Pirates ownership in a backhanded way. But, I know he spoke for so many of us who had no voice at the time. It may not have paid immediate dividends, but I thought he at least put the owners on notice that we were all watching and we were all getting fed up. That was what I took from that. Maybe not the best way to do it, but message delivered.

  362. Thundercrack says:

    Loved Night Shift

  363. Jim S. says:

    But, they cleaned house fairly soon thereafter. Ok, certainly they didn’t go the big payroll route, but I think we can all admit Nutting started taking things seriously enough to get himself more involved. The hiring of Huntington was the start of Nutting learning more and getting more involved. Even though it did not pay off right way, he knew he had to do something. Ultimately, he chose the right guy 6 years ago. It would be hard to argue otherwise now.

  364. Jim S. says:

    +++, Thunder.

  365. 21sthebest says:

    I think Nutting took over in 2007 because they were on the verge of another financial disaster only 4 years after the previous one. And because of the losing.

  366. Nate83 says:

    First of all no jinx.

    Second of all the Reds do not strike me as a very focused team. Cueto does but he team does not. I get to watch a lot of their games since Fox Sports Ohio shows about 130 of the 162 games. They make the game a lot harder for themselves then needed in a lot of cases. Votto is one of the worse culprits when it comes to this. Really seems to just mentally check out sometimes.

    Third of all the Pirates do three things really well that I believe playoff teams must do. Pitch, play solid defense and hit homeruns. Their homeruns totals are pretty impressive when you consider they played 81 games in pitcher friendly PNC park. I think I read somewhere they were second in the NL in road homeruns. Their starting pitching is deep and I would give it the advantage against any team in the NL that is not the Dodgers.

    If they can make it past this play in game I think they have a chance to compete. Especially if Atlanta could take care of the Dodgers. I feel Atlanta matches up against the Dodgers better then the Pirates do. However I think we match up against the Braves better then we do against the Dodgers.

  367. Jim S. says:

    I think you may have read here that we were #2 in road HR. I know I have cited that stat a few times, although that was a few weeks ago and I don’t know if it held up all the way through. But, the point is a good one, Nate. The Bucs hit a lot of HR. We almost doubled the opposition at PNC, in fact.

  368. NMR says:

    Stolmy is out of options this year, meaning he has to stick in the big leagues from here on out.

    I wonder if he’d ever get the opportunity to start once placed in the pen, considering the lack of almighty “stretching out” period.

    And yeah, I agree Jim. Command seems to be all that is left to conquer. Loved the drop and fade on his fastball when he stayed on top of it.

  369. Jim S. says:

    Matt Hoffman:

    Are you out there? If the Bucs win tomorrow, are you going to PNC next weekend for a game? Let me know. The deal stands.

  370. NMR says:

    I’d love to hear a GM just come right out and say that they are giving Player X a five year contract while only expecting three of them to be worth it.

    You basically have to get lucky, or expect all these contracts on guys in their mid-30s to underperform.

  371. Nate83 says:

    I’m sure 6 HR’s on Saturday didn’t hurt that stat. Maybe they moved up to first.

    I personally think the Dodgers match up is definately the worse one for the Pirates and not because of their offense which really isn’t much above middle of the pack. It’s the Kershaw and Grienke combination. They very well could be the best two pitchers in all of baseball since the all-star break.

  372. Jim S. says:

    I hope the Reds now decide he is too rich for their blood.

  373. NMR says:

    Also has proven to be just as good of an RBI guy when adjusted for opportunity.

    I think his game will age better than Pence’s, as well. Pence seems to rely more on athleticism and bat speed than fundamentals. Could get real ugly as he gets older.

  374. Jim S. says:

    Didn’t know that, NMR. Even more reason to think Stolmy will get his shot next year.

  375. theplanisworking says:

    From Mark Madden………. ( I dont know what his source is)……..

    Andrew Mccutchen was drilled in the face by a line drive from Jordy Mercer during batting practice today and walked off the field under his own power.

    From his FB account ( which it wont paste in here)……… :(

  376. Brandie says:

    Or severely reduce his toothpick budget.

  377. Jim S. says:

    Can’t find fault with much of what Williams wrote in that piece. I don’t think Cumpton can make it as a starter for the Bucs for very long, simply because I think there will be a bunch of more talented options. But, I think he could stick around and be a 4/5 starter for someone for a few years. He keeps the ball down and doesn’t walk people. Those types of guys can put together decent careers.

  378. Lad 9 says:

    A friend of mine just texted me that he heard the same thing on the radio…..

  379. theplanisworking says:


  380. Brandie says:

    “Hey! Hey! Hey!” Not to be confused with “Hey! Hey! Hey!” (Fat Albert vs. Dwayne)

    When you are talking about Rerun, you mean big Rerun and not little Rerun Van Pelt, Linus and Lucy’s brother.

    Although, little Rerun might work too.

  381. Nate83 says:

    I have never been accused of being a Nutting supported but I would like to give credit where credit is due. He did his homework recognized what needed improvement and addressed those issues. He trusted the front office that spending over slot was the correct way to go for a small/medium market team and made money available for that and scouting in America and elsewhere.

    The last part of it that I always was not sure he would follow through with was him saying when the time was right money would be spent on the major league team. He has definately shown a willingness to increase payroll and take on cost to improve the team in the short term. Payroll was 79 million (not all of which was paid by the Pirates). Going forward when it is the Pirates paying the full amount I hope this continues. With the extra TV money I hope the payroll stays in that range if not a little higher.

  382. theplanisworking says:

    I think he mentioned he couldnt make it, but he was floored by your generosity.

  383. theplanisworking says:

    I think he mentioned he couldnt make it, but he was floored by your generosity.

  384. theplanisworking says:


  385. Milo Hamilton says:

    Cutch says he’s OK.

  386. War Horse says:

    Very well said, Jim. Thanks.

  387. tpbco says:

    Just in from the Pens website:

    Depres goes to WBS
    Beau Bennett to Wheeling
    Pouliet back to Jrs.
    Letang and Vocoun to IR
    Recalled Harrison Ruopp.

    No comment on which IR list was used, Bennett obviously a procedural move.

  388. Kevin says:

    have you guys heard about what Robinson Canoe wants?… 10 yr 305 mil? by comparison 100 mil over more than 5 years does not seem as bad.

  389. Lad 9 says:

    Breathing again….. Thanks Milo

  390. Brandie says:

    Starting the campaign…RERUN FOR O-LINE! (It would have to be the living equivalent of Rerun as he has passed away.)

  391. Jim S. says:

    As for the payroll, Nate, I wish I knew how much less money overall he has to work with vs., say, the Reds and Brewers. They both outdrew the Bucs by a couple hundred thousand this year, and we are a very economically priced ticket. I know Cincinnati is a pretty economical ticket as well, and I’m guessing Brewers games are not too much more expensive. But, 200,000 more people through the turnstiles is a lot of money.

    I believe Coonelly negotiated a dreadful TV contract last year – or so I read. In fact, it appears that the Pirates are receiving about the lowest amount of TV dollars of any team in MLB. If they are not the lowest, they are close. I admit I really don’t know the ins and outs of that contract, but I do know that ROOT is partnered with a bunch of MLB teams. I also know that the Pirates were #3 in local ratings in MLB, and that they have shown huge increases the past few years. I wonder if that contract can be renegotiated? I know the instant reaction is to say why would ROOT do that when they got the Bucs for peanuts? Well, if they truly are partners and want a long lasting relationship, it is a common business practice to go back to the table and rewrite a lopsided agreement for the long term mutual benefit of both parties. I’m not saying it will happen, and I don’t even know if it can. I’m just speculating. The reason I say that is I believe I have read teams in similar markets (Cleveland, for one) are receiving many millions more than the Bucs per year on their TV deal. I would guess the same is true for Milwaukee and Cincy, to say nothing of the humungous contracts of the big market teams.

    So, does anyone know how much more revenue the Milwaukees and Cincys of the world have to devote to operations than the Bucs, if any? My point is, $65 million (or thereabouts) does not seem like enough payroll to me, unless the Bucs are outspending them in other areas (overseas, for example). It seems to me that we should be spending much more and still generating a profit, which I don’t begrudge any business. But, I don’t know for sure. It is hard to get this info. accurately.

  392. theplanisworking says:

    This is a “human interest story”…………. for Lucky:

    Sports anchor at CBS affiliate in Columbus for 30 years, lost his daughter in a car crash.
    The following video is Ohio State’s players reactions to seeing him for the first time……. Saturday night after the Wisconsin win.

  393. Brandie says:

    Cutch is not Soffff! :-)

  394. Jim S. says:

    Oh, too bad! Thanks for following up, plan. I hope he changes his mind. Actually, I hope he gets the chance to change his mind.

  395. theplanisworking says:

    What’s Happening, Brandie! ;)

  396. Jim S. says:


  397. 21sthebest says:

    Sounds like it hit him in the ear. He was giving interviews a short time after.

  398. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s at least 10 days for Letang. Here we go already.

  399. Brandie says:

    Hey! Hey! Hey! I was in love with Dwayne.

  400. theplanisworking says:

    I was chastised a few days ago about “What does Frank do?”
    He has failed as a team President in regards to Revenues. The TV contract is awful, adn I also read it is one of the worst in baseball…………. and it is fairly long term, so it isnt up for renegotiation soon.

    Honestly, I dont know how much more ticket revenue brings in. Say Cincy outdraws us by 300,000. They get $5 more dollars per ticket on avaerage. That is only $1.5 million dollars more, so that isnt too much. TV deals, and corporate sponsorships are far more important to $$$$…………. an area Frank fails.

    Just my .02 cents.

  401. toochca says:

    Does anyone know where was he when the line drive hit him?

  402. Nate83 says:

    I think it’s heading in the right direction. I have always said I would like it to be 85-100 millions and I get push back as to why that is the right amount. That just feels right to me based on what other similar markets that are fielding competative teams spend.

  403. tpbco says:

    Hopefull retroactive to last Friday, if not……

  404. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks Brandimal.

    Say what you want about Urban Meyer, but this was a super class act.

  405. Jim S. says:

    You knew I had to check, didn’t you Nate? Couldn’t resist. Stats that only a stats junkie like me could love –

    Bucs batting:

    69 HR at home; 92 on road (We led the league in road HRs hit!)

    Reds batting:

    82 HR at home; 73 on road (GABP is a hitter’s park!)

    Bucs pitching:

    37 HR allowed at PNC (Approaching dead ball era totals!)
    64 HR allowed on road (still very good)

    Reds pitching:

    102 HR allowed at home (#2 worst in the league!)
    68 HR on the road

    It is indeed a myth that the Reds are a HR hitting team. They were out-homered 170 to 155. They were out-homered in GABP 102 to 73.

    The Pirates out-homered the opposition 161 to 101. At PNC, we out-homered the opposition 69 to 37, and on the road it was 92 to 64.

    The Pirates also led the league in fewest XBH allowed, and allowed the 2nd fewest hits in the NL. The Reds allowed 1293, and the Bucs 1299.

    I’ll throw in a couple more. Our pitching staff allowed the 6th most walks in the league, somewhat negating our low hit total. And we were #3 in strikeouts thrown.

  406. theplanisworking says:

    + many to you for the offer to him.

  407. toochca says:

    Andrew McCutchen just tweeted:
    “The ball that hit me will be out for the reainder of the season with 5 ripped seams and a bruised ego…#SorryImNotSorry”

  408. theplanisworking says:

    On the field?? ;)

  409. toochca says:

    I’ll just keep feeding you and NMR the material!! :D

  410. Jim S. says:

    Remarkably consistent team.

  411. Lad 9 says:

    I saw something super nasty directed at one of the Trib writers on Twitter a few minutes ago as I was checking for Cutch news. And it got to me for some reason. The jerk even includes “nasty” in her handle, and I was thinking that man, this can be a really tough planet sometimes. Then I saw this and (after I was done blubbering), I felt that the good people so far outweigh the bad that you just have to move past people like that. And I will.

    Thanks Plan. I hope the blog policeman does’t fine me for this one..

  412. Jim S. says:

    With 3 in the books, I’d say our odds are about 65% now.

  413. Dom says:

    It’ll take more than a line drive to knock him out.

  414. NMR says:

    Wow. Fascinating, Jim.

  415. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thanks Plan. Thanks to you I just met Jimmy Valvano’s criteria for having a full day. A good friend of mine defines hell as living 1 more day than your kid. My heart goes out to Dom & his family. That made me proud to be a Buckeye.

  416. Jim S. says:

    I have made this observation before. Pence, to me, looks like he never had an ounce of instruction in his entire career until he got to the minors. L:ooks like he does almost every skill in the game wrong. I think he was so good that they just let him go. But, he’s so d*mn big and strong, and so athletic, and he tries so hard that he just willed himself to be a pretty good player.

    But, 5 x $18M? No way is he that good.

  417. Jim S. says:

    When it comes to inside info … IMIT.

  418. Jim S. says:


  419. Jim S. says:

    Nice!! Cutch is da’ Man!!!

  420. Jim S. says:

    Agree on Frank! He’s along for the ride at this point. I just hope he has to live by the rule of “Only speak when you are spoken to.”

    Maybe a little more for the extra fans. They park, they eat, they drink, they buy very large RTJR flags. Then, they sometimes take them to Cincinnati and wave them after Bucs HRs. The lady who did that on Friday night was awesome. Very ballsy move on her part. True fan. Fearless true fan!

  421. Arriba Wilver says:

    If he played SS, he’d probably play it like Barmes. ;-)

  422. JohninOshkosh says:

    NHLPA approves hybrid icing.

  423. Arriba Wilver says:

    And because McClatchy had no idea what he was doing. Still love him, though, for saving the Pirates and getting PNC Park built.

  424. Arriba Wilver says:


    His were the only Batman movies that were successful until Christian Bale.

    George Clooney and Val Kilmer couldn’t hold his Batcape.

  425. Arriba Wilver says:

    Night Shift is still one of the funnier movies I’ve ever seen.

  426. Thundercrack says:

    Do you think it is easy to sell corporate sponsorships for a team that has had 20 straight losing seasons?

    I would bet that the Team President is responsible for a lot – both affecting the long and short term (and probably some day-to-day) operations of the team.

  427. theplanisworking says:

    I didnt know your were a “The” Milo.

    I always say we, as humans shouldnt ever have to do 3 things……..

    Kill our fellow man,
    Harm women and children,
    Bury people younger than us.

    This was probably one of the classiest things I have ever seen in sports. The way each of those football players sought out that gentleman was inspiring. Makes us realize that sports, although a great diversion from our problems, just isnt the reason for living. Kudos also to Urban for the moment of silence. Thats all I got.

  428. Arriba Wilver says:

    Is he trying to block Frank?


  429. Thundercrack says:

    I think Root Sports broadcast the Rockies, Mariners and Pirates.

    I’m not sure if they have any other teams.

  430. Thanks, Plan-o-gram. Very cool.

  431. Jim S. says:

    He may do a lot of good behind the scenes. Just seems like he’s the weak link to me. Some of his errors have been public and costly to the team. A lot of people would not get away with them, and still have their job. And, I’m not talking about the drunk driving, necessarily.

  432. Bob Hasis says:

    I believe the Cubs just fired and made available to us, our new third base coach.

  433. Jim S. says:

    Thanks. I know of those teams. I thought there were others, but wasn’t sure.

  434. Jim S. says:

    I don’t thin k it is easy to sell a losing team to local businesses, no.

    But, you have to at least question the TV contract, right? If this was not a blunder, I would love to have the record set straight. That would be fair to Frank. But, if he missed on $10 or $20 million per year, or some other large amount, that is a pretty big screw-up.

    The incident with the little bar was ridiculous. I think he made some PR blunders that were pretty elementary.

  435. NMR says:

    Can there be shared weak links?

    Captain Stark is awfully tough to beat for that “honor”.

  436. Jim S. says:

    Always way more good people than bad. Thanks for reminding, Lad.

  437. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’ve seen several lists of candidates from national media outlets and FC wasn’t mentioned on any of them.

  438. NMR says:

    I have to agree.

    I have a hard time believing he has maximized the clubs opportunities to improve financially.

    Whether it is fair or not, his name has been attached to nothing but blunders.

    If there are positives, I’m all ears.

  439. Milo Hamilton says:

    Getting waaaaaaaay ahead of myself here, but, Thursday @St.Louis 5:00; Friday @St.Louis 1:00. That’s all the farther they’ve gotten. FYI, that’s all.

  440. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m elated that the Bucs are in the playoffs so don’t get me wrong or think that I am ungrateful for the experience, but it is going to soooooo suck if the Pirates lose tomorrow night. If history is a guide when teams I am interested in exit the postseason, I probably won’t watch another playoff game this year. Too depressed. Cincy vs StL ? Gag me with a spoon. I’d rather watch the dreadful Disney sitcoms with my kids.

  441. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hey Jessie, here we come. Let’s try to put that off for another month.

  442. theplanisworking says:

    When I saw this, I thought of you.

  443. JohninOshkosh says:

    If I had to informally rank the shows:

    Good Luck, Charlie>Jesse>ANT Farm>Austin and Ally>Dog with a Blog>Shake it Up.

    I’d have to say Sam and Cat on Nick is probably the best.

    There you have it, my worst post ever.

  444. Brandie says:

    What an awesome read! Right man, right place, right time!

  445. Milo Hamilton says:

    Embarrassed to say I’ve seen them all. Austin & Ally is just plain awful. On a happy note, the little girl on Jessie reminds me of Rudy from the old Cosby Show.

  446. theplanisworking says:

    Good Lord, + many for this post, NMR.

  447. Thundercrack says:

    In one moment some are saying they don’t know what he does. The next they are saying he is a weak link.

    I don’t get that.

    Yes the TV deal does seem like a “blunder”. But I also think there could be details we’re not privy to. Plus how do we know that Nutting doesn’t sign off on those type of deals? If he does then does he share in the blame? I think the timing of their renewal may have hurt them…before the windfall. (I may be wrong)

    I just think it is much easier for fans to evaluate a team’s shortstop than it is the team’s president

  448. theplanisworking says:

    Do I think it is easy to sell corporate sponsorships for a team that has had 20 straight losing seasons? No. Is it impossible? No.

    Lets try this………. Frank needs to think outside the box.
    Try marketing the entrance gates/statues.
    Try marketing certain parts of the Park.

    Example: The Willie Stargell gate presented by Geico.
    The Bill Mazeroski gate presented by Dick’s Sporting Goods.
    The Dollar Bank Standing Room Rotunda.
    The American Eagle North Side Notch.

    Not saying these ideas are viable, but they represent “outside the box” thinking, and could garner some additional corporate sponsoships. Point is, one has to try. Fighting with a small bar owner wont get you any points regarding sponsorships.

  449. Thundercrack says:

    Those are good ideas
    But I believe the gate are much easier to sell when you first open the stadium. (2001)

    How about the success of the concerts?
    The revenue from flexible pricing?
    The Bow Tie Bar?
    All You Can Eat Seats?

  450. Tom P. says:

    We like Good Luck, Charlie too. My younger daughter’s current favorite is Lab Rats.

  451. theplanisworking says:

    Is that marketing, or Frank? Or both.

    Actually, I wouldnt have dreamed of the naming of certain ballpark areas when the park opened. Would have come across as too cheesy (and possibly money-grubbing). Now, fans know revenues are needed.

    My point still stands, Frank needs to up his game by thinking outside the box for additional $$$$$.

    By negotiating a horrible TV contract, and not seeming to explore all revenue streams, I think he hasnt done the job he was hired to do. It doesnt surprise me, being when he was hired, he had absolutely no marketing experience, or P & L experience.

    I know Frank reads this blog, so hopefully he takes some of the above ideas. I have plenty more for him, too.

  452. JohninOshkosh says:

    My kids have seen Lab Rats but, I amazingly, have not!

  453. Brandie says:

    Awesome! Nice to see you oh chic one.

  454. Thundercrack says:

    Isn’t the Team President ultimatlry responsible for marketing? They report to him.

    “Not seeming to explore all revenue streams”
    How do we know that?

  455. NMR says:

    Well, if you cannot figure out what a given member of any organization brings to the table, then IMO that person is automatically a weak link.

    I can appreciate what you’re saying, TC, and you’re right. We do not know all he does.

    But like I said below, I don’t know how you can fault any of us for sharing this opinion of him when literally everything with his name attached has turned to mud.

  456. theplanisworking says:

    Dont know if marketing reports directly to Frank or not.

    I used the word “seeming”, which you ignored.
    Neither you or I know what he is doing in regards to revenue streams. Being that he hasnt reall done much in that area, I used the word “seeming”.

    As to some of your counterpoints above…………

    Frank is President of the Pirates. If say a Buffet concert comes to PNC, isnt that the doing of the SEA?

    BowTie Bar? How does that get extra revenues? Budweiser was already advertising at the stadium.

    All you can eat seats? Wouldnt those be a money loser? I mean, if someone was hungry, it would be a money loser.

    I will give you the flexible pricing. But dont forget, other teams do it also. I want to see Frank do things other teams dont………. like some examples above.

  457. Brandie says:

    Just wanted to say again how impressed I am with Clint Hurdle. What other man could helm, perhaps, the best turnaround in sports history? We are talking serious redemption. Who better to spearhead the turn around than one who has been through the fire in order to be redeemed?

    Best wishes to Clint Hurdle, his family, and our Amazing Buccos!


  458. Thundercrack says:

    I don’t know what the team Presidents for the Steeler, Penguins, or any other baseball team does/ brings to the table. Much of the evaluation seems to be if they are winning, the are doing a good job.

    “literally everything” ?
    His name is attached to the Pittsburgh Pirates and they are playing in the Wild Card game tomorrow. Is that mud.

    If people want to criticize the guy for secret contract extensions, a DUI, talking about starting a dynasty, and calling a bar owner. I get that. But to say that you don’t know what the guy does, but yet you think his a weak link….I just don’t get that line of thinking.

    Gotta go.

  459. Did you see the long, very long story on the four-letter site about Clint. Nice piece.

  460. Buckeyes are people, too, right?


  461. Brandie says:

    Feel better soon Mr. Bowser.

  462. Brandie says:


  463. Brandie says:

    Yes I did. Made me really appreciate everything he has brought to the table.

  464. Lad 9 says:

    Excellent article. I already thought the world of him, but that took it to another level. Would love to meet the man someday.

  465. Brandie says:


  466. theplanisworking says:

    I saw the headline, saw it was more than 25 words, and knew I couldnt read it. ;)

    It was very well written.
    They need to do more articles like that……. and stop the Yanks/Sox/Dodgers lovefest 24/7.

  467. Brandie says:

    Nicely put Plan The Parade!

  468. theplanisworking says:

    Hi Brandimal Cracker.

    Watching the 1979 WS on Root.
    Willie hit the HR again.


  469. Drew71 says:

    Rays score 1 in the top of the first and it seemed like Texas “won” the inning. Shoulda been more than 1.

  470. theplanisworking says:

    HA!!! :D

  471. Brandie says:

    Pops Is Tops. According to my mom’s mother, we were related to him somehow.

  472. theplanisworking says:

    Tampa and Texas.
    We talking baseball or SEC??? ;)

  473. Drew71 says:

    Anybody else watching game 163?

    If so, am I nuts but did Jennings look safe in the top of the 1st?

    Yeah, I know. Ball beat him to second by four feet. But it looked to me that he sneaked his left hand to the base under a bad tag.

    Then. Price’s pickoff? Amazing. Mainly cause the guy had no move.

  474. Drew71 says:

    Tampa, SEC? No way they’re in the SEC. They play good D.

  475. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think Mr. Florida is a secret Tampa Bay fan. Can’t wait for tomp to weigh in. My bet is they disagree.

  476. Jim S. says:

    You make fair points, Thunder. Since I was the one who introduced the phrase “seems to be the weakest link”, I should probably explain the context. To me, of the 3 main guys, I give high marks to Clint and Neal. We have all heard about a lot of bad things that have attached themselves to Frank, for whatever reason. If there is a lot of evidence that he is not the weak link of the 3, I would like to know what it is. Maybe the team just does a bad job of telling us what it is that he brings to the table.

  477. Drew71 says:

    Count on it.

  478. Drew71 says:

    Beltre runs like me.

    And I don’t have the hammy excuse.

  479. Lad 9 says:


  480. Milo Hamilton says:

    AJ Pierzynski has walked 269 times. In 16 years. Eleven this year. His high is 28. Manny Sanguillen-esque.

  481. theplanisworking says:

    I am watching Game 7 1979 WS.
    For Luck.
    And, because watching Willie’s HR never gets old !

  482. Drew71 says:

    Game 163 deserves a special ale.

    Victory Red Thunder.

    A malty, 8.5% porter aged in red wine barrels.

  483. Lad 9 says:

    He WAS safe. And I have multiple confirmations here.

  484. Milo Hamilton says:

    Joey Votto has walked 564 times. In 7 years. 135 this year.

  485. Brandie says:

    Never gets old. You are one of my faves here. Always an enthusiastic greeting for you.

  486. KenKopp says:

    I hit “blogs” and seen we were still on “Morning Java” Figured nobody would still be around. Wrong.

    Bucs 50-31 at home, Reds 41-41 on the road. Stats mean zippo now, but I am glad we are in PNC. This season has been a blast. And I’m a nervous wreck. Post Season Baseball!

    Go Bucs!

  487. Jim S. says:

    Definitely some of them.

  488. Brandie says:

    My main man! What’s Shakin’ Double K?

  489. Lad 9 says:

    Ah, you know how to live Drewster. I did enjoy a couple of Amber Bock drafts when I picked up dinner though…

  490. Brandie says:

    Consistent Hustle! :-)

  491. theplanisworking says:

    This blog is the Statue of liberty for Pittsburgh sports.

    We ARE the tired, poor, huddled masses………..


  492. JaxBuc says:

    Thank you, Hubert Horatio Hippo for posting that link. That reminded me that the obnoxious Buckeyes I have encountered do not define the entire team/university/city. Sometimes fandom skews our view of an organization (except for the REDS) and we put too much credence into the team and its shenanigans.

    Posts like this one are worth wading through the other 136 of the day. :-)

  493. theplanisworking says:

    Sort of like some kids get candy for halloween, some kids get a rock.

    Guess what I always got?

  494. Brandie says:

    “Hurdled” masses…

    Yearning to taste a championship!

  495. Drew71 says:

    Well. I guess that beats Bud.

  496. Brandie says:

    Hippo Hugs!!!!!!!!

  497. KenKopp says:

    Ain’t it fun? You guys are great.

  498. Lad 9 says:

    You have had the right attitude all year KK. Enjoy the moment, and whatever we get from now on out is gravy. (I still want to win bad though). Go Buccos!

  499. KenKopp says:

    Hey Nickname Girl. Hope tomorrow night is a reward for years hard spent. It will be. Ya Gotta Believe.

  500. theplanisworking says:

    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, gravy……….

  501. theplanisworking says:

    You can get Yeungling down there, right Drew?

  502. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks, Muppet. :D

  503. Lad 9 says:

    Same here. If you knew how many times you have made me smile during a tough day… BRANTASTIC! :)

  504. Drew71 says:

    BTW. Seeing my orthopedist tomorrow (nothing too serious) who is the team physician for the Orlando Magic, LPGA, and Nats spring training. Lots of signed pics all over the office.

    He’s a huge baseball fan so my last appt went almost two hours. 15 minutes medical stuff. 90 minutes gabbing.

    3-0 Rays. Longoria 2 run HR. Tomp will be pleased. (But how would we know?)

  505. KenKopp says:

    I cannot concentrate on anything else. I’ve been going through the motions today on work stuff and thinking of all the game scenerios. What fun. Gotta go to work at 4 am but off on Wednesday, so if I can come home and take a nap I’ll be in better shape for the game. Nap is gonna be tough ’cause I am and still will be amped. Frankie complete game work for you folks?

  506. Drew71 says:

    Not if you paid me.

    C’mon down. I’ll show you a real lager.

  507. Lad 9 says:

    By a lot. Would rather have water than Bud…

  508. Lad 9 says:

    With bacon?

  509. Drew71 says:

    A hit but he shoulda had it. Especially with a glove as good as Escobar’s

  510. Drew71 says:

    This up has an odd triangle of a strike zone – wide on top, narrow bottom – but at least it’s consistent. For both pitchers.

  511. Milo Hamilton says:

    And they try to tell us they choose these guys on merit.

  512. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tonight’s strike zone is an homage to Eric Gregg.

  513. Lad 9 says:

    Two pickoffs. I think Bob Hasis just posted on the Rangers blog and tried to trade their first base coach for Nick Leyva… By tomorrow.

  514. Thundercrack says:

    Is anyone trying to watch this game on MLB.TV? What a mess.

  515. Thundercrack says:

    Example: The Willie Stargell gate presented by Geico. The Bill Mazeroski gate presented by Dick’s Sporting Goods. The Dollar Bank Standing Room Rotunda. The American Eagle North Side Notch.

    ‘I want to see Frank do things other teams dont………. like some examples above.’

    So Plan, you don’t think other teams sell naming rights to their gates? No wonder the guy isn’t doing any good to you. The benchmarks keep moving.

  516. Thundercrack says:

    In regards to concerts I was talking about the post game concerts.

    But to your point, when Buffet, Springsteen, or The Stones play at PNC Park the Pirates make money.

    If I go to the Bow Tie Bar and have some beers and food instead of one of the places on Federal Street – doesn’t that add revenue to the Pirates? Plus it is used toward group sales too. $$$$

  517. theplanisworking says:

    + # of posts reference! :)

  518. 21sthebest says:

    “Example: The Willie Stargell gate presented by Geico.
    The Bill Mazeroski gate presented by Dick’s Sporting Goods.
    The Dollar Bank Standing Room Rotunda.
    The American Eagle North Side Notch.”

  519. Thundercrack says:

    ‘Dont know if marketing reports directly to Frank or not.’

    Of course marketing reports to the team’s President.

    On the organization chart President reports to Chairman of the Board (BN). Everyone else reports to the FC

  520. 21sthebest says:

    I wonder how much Eric is paying for the Bowser blasts.

  521. Brandie says:

    93.7….. THE PLAN!

  522. Brandie says:

    Now you are an entire sports talk radio station.

  523. Jim S. says:

    I hope the Bucs can feed off your energy, Ken.

  524. JD says:

    I loved it when he got out the blackboard and explained “Prostitution” to the girls.

  525. theplanisworking says:

    So Plan, you don’t think other teams sell naming rights to their gates? No wonder the guy isn’t doing any good to you. The benchmarks keep moving.


    Can you give me any proof other teams are doing this? I am certainly not aware of this.

    How did I move any benchmark? I didnt. Orifginal point doesnt change. He needs to do a better job on the revenues. TV contract will hamstring the $$$$$ for years.

  526. theplanisworking says:

    If I go to the Bow Tie Bar and have some beers and food instead of one of the places on Federal Street – doesn’t that add revenue to the Pirates? Plus it is used toward group sales too. $$$$


    If you eat in the stadium, of course it goes to the Pirates, Bowtie bar or not.
    The restaurants on Federal, and other spots on the Northside have rooms for groups.
    Bowtie Bar may actually take $$$$ from other vendors in the stadium…… just cutting the pie (not Felix) smaller

  527. Jim S. says:

    Nice, plan. Wish I had that to watch. That HR by Stargell was a BOMB! Now, that was power.

  528. Jim S. says:

    Hey Brandie! How yinz doing tonight ‘n at?

  529. theplanisworking says:


  530. theplanisworking says:

    I am big enough…….. ;)

  531. Thundercrack says:

    Consol Energy Center:
    Verizon Gate
    American Eagle Gate
    Trib Total Media Gate

    Heinz Field
    Peoples Gate A

    PNC Park
    Trib Total Media Rotunda
    Allegheny Sports Medicine Rotunda

    So there Plan. Other teams in our own backyard are selling naming rights to their gates (maybe they stole your idea!!) It isn’t something new, which is what you called your list of ideas.

    Tomorrow morning I will call the Steelers’ offices and ask who their team President is. He is doing a poor job of selling naming rights to their gates. They only have one sold.

  532. JohninOshkosh says:

    Anybody know the broadcasting crew for the Pirates game ?

    Brian Anderson puts me to sleep.

  533. Thundercrack says:


    If me and a friend want to meet for a few beers before the game we could go to Soho or maybe even Mullens. If we do that no money goes to the Pirates.
    If we decide to go to the Bow Tie Bar, then the money goes to the Pirates. The math seems pretty simple to me.

    The Plan said:
    “The restaurants on Federal, and other spots on the Northside have rooms for groups.”

    Again if a group goes to another restaurant on Federal the money doesn’t go to the Pirates. But if that group goes to the Bow Tie Bar, then the money goes to the Pirates.
    Maybe this link will help you understand it better. Groups will be going to the Bow Tie instead of somewhere like The Clark Bar. And it seems to maybe help some tickets too.

  534. JohninOshkosh says:

    Major League umpiring is unbelievable. I can not wait for instant replay.

  535. theplanisworking says:

    This is good. Really.

    I will counter with the following…….

    You dont know who the Steelers president is. Is this because you dont defend that person with the voracity you do Frank? Seriously.

    Since you brought up the Pens…….. isnt David Morehouse a leader in fan relations? Doesnt he maximize all revenue $$$ ?? You dont see Morehouse fighting with bar owners. You see him do the Student Rush, free exhibition games for students, deliver season tickets to fans via the players? I really dont think you want to open this can of worms, Thunder.

    But make your call to the steelers. I hope they listen to you. Like my offer for Frank to listen to me (or others).

  536. JohninOshkosh says:

    David Price, pitcher.


  537. theplanisworking says:

    Thunder, in regards to fans choosing, or not choosing the Bowtie bar, I think we are in agreement.

    I think we understand the situation well.

  538. Baywatch says:

    Evening, Y’all! VERY late to the show today. Do the Pirates get to carry all 37 players (or however many they had for September) into tomorrow’s game?

  539. Arriba Wilver says:

    No, just 25.

  540. Arriba Wilver says:

    And, good evening.

  541. theplanisworking says:

    No Bay, they get 25.

  542. Thundercrack says:

    I don’t know who the Steelers President is because I don’t care to know who it is.

    Morehouse and the Penguins are good. They do a great job at generating revenue. If they also have some unnamed gates – so they aren’t maximizing it.

    The Student Rush program was started way before Morehouse was President.

    But see there is my point. If you or others want to criticize FC for some of the dumb things he says or does, fine. But how can someone say “I don’t really know what he does” and then say “he needs to step up his game”

    DK: You don’t know who Art Rooney II is?

    Is there an emoticon for an eyeroll?

  543. Baywatch says:

    Have they set it yet?

  544. JohninOshkosh says:

    Hi Bay.

  545. Baywatch says:

    Hey, John! OK, I just perused back and saw where Milo clarified tomorrow morning at 10 a.m. on the playoff roster.

  546. Thundercrack says:

    Nelson Cruz got a 50 game suspension for PEDs.

    During his suspension he was allowed to play in 8 instructional league games.

    I think that is wrong. He should have been banned from having anything to do with a team affiliated with a major league team.

  547. JohninOshkosh says:

    Absolutely agree.

  548. theplanisworking says:

    Results Thunder, results.

    Worst (or one of the worst) TV deals.
    Fighting with bar owners, and telling season ticket holders to go pound salt.
    Bad PR almost every day.
    The DUI.

    You stated much earlier in this thread, that it is tough to sell corporate sponsorships when a team has had 20 straight losing seasons.

    I say it is tough corporate sponsorships when one is an ass. I truly believe that he would have an easier job if he either didnt look like a smarmy, slimy person, or just would shut his pie hole. I think Franks biggest obstacle to doing his job is Frank himself.

    I dont understand your need to defend Frank at every turn, even when the facts are clearly against you. You, and a few others, have done this for years. It is your right, of course, but man, the logic train derailed on this issue for you.

    I have to go to bed. I see we have not agreed on anything as per usual…….. I just want a team president that isnt an embarrassment. Frank is an embarrassment. He needs to hire a PR firm, to teach him what to say/appear.

    Once he does that, he will be able to reshape his image. THAT will go a long way for him to do a better job. That would be a huge win for the Bucs.

    Good Night.

  549. JohninOshkosh says:

    I would have loved to have seen the blog if CH pulled what Joe Maddon just did with sticking with Price, even after the double.

  550. theplanisworking says:

    Welcome to MLB!

    He should have been ineligible for postseason play.

  551. Thundercrack says:

    So now you don’t like his looks?

    I thought we were talking about job performance.

    Are the facts clearly against me?

    “I think Franks biggest obstacle to doing his job is Frank himself.”
    But yet you said you didn’t even know what his job was.

    I don’t understand your need to attack Frank at every turn.

    Sleep tight you logical hippo you

    DK: It just never, ever, ever, ever gets old, does it? Day of first playoff game in 21 years, and you’re still lawyering up the front office?

    How about on day of Game 7?

  552. Thundercrack says:

    I wonder if Johny Peralta did the same thing for the Tigers.

  553. Arriba Wilver says:


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