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On location: Cardinals 2, Pirates 1, NLDS Game 4

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates vs. St. Louis Cardinals, National League Division Series, Game 4

Series: Pirates, 2-1

Starters: RHP Charlie Morton vs. RHP Michael Wacha

Time: 3:07 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, radio: TBS (national), 93.7 The Fan, ESPN Radio 970

Here’s the official live box score.


  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Justin Morneau, 1B
  5. Marlon Byrd, RF
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Russell Martin, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Morton, P


  1. Matt Carpenter, 2B
  2. Carlos Beltran, RF
  3. Matt Holliday, LF
  4. Matt Adams, 1B
  5. Yadier Molina, C
  6. Jon Jay, CF
  7. David Freese, 3B
  8. Pete Kozma, SS
  9. Wacha, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates pageRob Biertempfel, Travis Sawchik, Karen Price and I are on the scene.

Here again is the Monday column on Game 3.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


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  2. Jandy says:


  3. NMR says:


    Matheny doing the Pirates a huge favor starting Kozma over Descalso.

  4. Damon says:

    Thule, Greenland? Wow, coverin’ the globe…

  5. Tom P. says:

    Game starts at 3:07. Family eats dinner around 6. I sense a looming conflict between the conclusion of the game and the household rule of “No TV / electronic devices at the dinner table.” The stuff I didn’t have to worry about for 21 years.

  6. Jandy says:

    rules are meant to be broken…some of them, anyway ;)

  7. toochca says:

    Kozma had 3 hits yesterday. Descalso is 0 fer,

  8. JohninOshkosh says:

    Instead of focusing on Good Charlie/Bad Charlie stuff and whether or not he is up to postseason or whether or not he ought to be starting, I’m focusing on this:

    Michael Wacha is 22 years old, looks like he just started shaving, and will be pitching in his 16th Major League game in front of a boisterous and clever crowd.

    The Redbird fans are the ones that should be fretting.


  9. NMR says:

    Kozma is an awful hitter.

    Lefties crush Morton.

    Descalso is a lefty.

    I’m glad Mike Matheny coaches the other team.

  10. Patrick(ri) says:

    To the Cardinals and all my Cardinal friends: Hoka Hey!

  11. Nate83 says:

    I know the Cardinals only had like 72 errors this year but defensively I’m just not that impressed by them. Especially the outfield. How many runs have their outfielders cost them by not getting to balls or having weak arms.

    Holliday sure looks like a first baseman instead of an outfielder to me. Really doesn’t do anything that well defensively. Jay doesn’t have many errors but really doesn’t seem to cover much ground. Beltran’s probably an average right fielder but they definately don’t resemble anything close to what the Pirates put out there. If Byrd is the weakest defensive player I will take that every game agains any team.

  12. Patrick(ri) says:

    Metaphorically speaking, of course.

  13. toochca says:

    I agree with you!! Even the StL paper thought he would play the “hot hand” in Kozma.

  14. JohninOshkosh says:


    In Matheny I trust. :)

  15. NMR says:

    I’d love to hear how many Front Offices bother to even track errors as a judge of defensive ability.

  16. Playoffs by 2012 says:


    The Window will continue throughout the duration of the playoffs.
    September and October will be combined and all winners will be announced at the conclusion of the playoffs.

    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Line #1
    Total RUNS SCORED by the Pirates in Today’s Game
    Line is 3.5

    Line #2
    Total ANNOUNCED ATTENDANCE at Today’s Game
    Line is 40,100.5

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23


  17. toochca says:

    See Sonny Gray and Gerrit Cole!!

  18. JohninOshkosh says:

    I know….but I’m a believer in laws of averages. It’s about time one of these young ‘uns is human and lets the pressure get to him. Might as well be Wacha Wacha Do.

    Plus, those other two guys weren’t pitching in elimination games on the road.

  19. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hoka Hey is “It?”

  20. Nate83 says:

    I hope none, but you hear national media spouting off errors as a means of judging a players defensive ability and everyone starts to believe it.

    How many time during these playoffs have you already heard people say how bad Pedro is defensively and how surprised they are by some of the plays he’s making? They are using his high error total as the only method of judging him defensivelyl. I’m not sure but think he probably gets rid of half those errors on plays he has made that a lot of third baseman wouldn’t have.

    I’m not saying he is Muchado but he is better then his error total would suggest.

  21. toochca says:

    To add to what you are saying…
    Wacha hasn’t pitched since Sept. 24.

  22. NMR says:

    You know, I think you’ll see righty-heavy teams get to Wacha once they’ve seen him a couple times if he doesn’t develop a breaking ball.

    I just don’t trust this Pirates lineup to lay off his changeup down in the zone.

  23. kr70 says:

    1. 100 on the over
    2. 100 on the under
    and thanks

  24. Damon says:

    I’m not sure if the 8 day gap between starts for Morton will help or hurt him… guess is it will help give him a little extra rest to lay it all out today. Thoughts?

  25. NMR says:

    Oh, I’m with you all the way.

    I think the national guys have to water down their content for the intended audience and casual fans get “errors”.

  26. Patrick(ri) says:

    Yikes, do you suppose?

  27. Milo Hamilton says:

    I just had a guy say to me, “I can’t believe all the idiots that called off work today.” I came right back with my stock reply, “I feel sorry for people not intelligent enough to understand sports.” It was met with the same blank look it always gets. :)

  28. Jandy says:

    ” Might as well be Wacha Wacha Do.”

    lol good one Oshkosh :)

  29. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’s certainly possible his sinker works better when he’s not so strong.

  30. NMR says:

    Morton had a year-long gap between starts…and it still didn’t help him get lefties out.

    I know I’m beating it up, but that really is the defining factor in this game. If he can’t outperform his season and career performance against lefties, he could get every righty out and still struggle.

  31. theplanisworking says:

    Woo Hoo !!!

  32. Damon says:

    I’ll take 100 on the over for both.

  33. Jandy says:

    He!! no!

  34. Milo Hamilton says:

    Never good for a sinkerballer. With too much rest they tend to over throw & leave pitches up.

  35. Jandy says:

    LMAO! Post of the Day :)

  36. Jandy says:

    is the sun still shining in DaBurgh? Seriously?

  37. Arriba Wilver says:


  38. Nate83 says:

    That’s fine but then they shouldn’t act surprised when Alverez makes nice plays.

    I think you are correct about what they have or can do. I just saw an interview on MLB network a few weeks ago with Scott Posednik who is now an announcer and he was telling Brian Kenney that he always ask his boss how much sabermetrics he can use and almost all of them said to use as little as possible. He told Kenney he doesn’t like acting like a pitcher with 18 wins is better then a guy he knows is better with 13 wins but he kind of has to waterdown his analysis.

  39. Milo Hamilton says:


  40. Arriba Wilver says:


  41. Nate83 says:

    I wish I was an idiot. I’m leaving for a vacation to the mouse with the big ears on Friday so I have to stay and get work done.

  42. Damon says:

    Guess what we can hope for is for Morton to limit the lefty damage to singles or doubles with no one on.

    What’s scary is that the Cards are hitting terribly with runners in scoring position so far this series, so hopefully that trend doesn’t reverse back to normal for them.

    What’s also scary is “hoping” your starter bucks his trend of having trouble vs. lefties. But I guess that’s all a part of having “it”….

  43. theplanisworking says:

    Classic. !!!!!

    Obviously, Beuller is still not paying attention! ;)

  44. Tom P. says:

    Have a great time on your vacation.

  45. NMR says:

    I need a heavy dose of “it”!

    Can’t think of a game in which I have had less confidence than this one.

  46. JohninOshkosh says:

    He just loves to say it, too.

  47. theplanisworking says:

    To all my Cardinals friends………… SUCK IT !

    That’s all I got for now…………

    GO BUCS !!!!!!!!!!

  48. Milo Hamilton says:

    Current Cardinals roster hits .341 against Morton. That includes pitchers. Descalso is 0-10.

  49. NMR says:

    Ha, nice story.

    Frankly, I’ve been a bit suprised at their heavy use of pitch percentages.

    Can’t imagine my Dad giving two hoots about something like that (I use my Dad as my barometer).

  50. JohninOshkosh says:

    Watching beginning of A’s/Tigers. It was noted that when teams split the first two games, the team that wins game three has won 9 of last 10 DS.

  51. Damon says:

    Time for the offense to win one maybe….

  52. Jandy says:


  53. Nate83 says:

    Well my dad falls asleep during baseball games. Both on TV and in person so I’m not sure how to judge that except to think that maybe his isn’t my dad.

  54. Patrick(ri) says:

    How about enjoying the continued absence of Craig from Cards lineup? An “it” if there ever was one.

  55. Jandy says:

    Line 1 ~ 100 on the over

    Line 2 ~ 100 on the under.

    Goooooo Bucs!!!!

  56. NMR says:

    Pete Kozma stinks.

  57. Jandy says:

    Gotta git some stuff done…be back in a bit…

  58. theplanisworking says:

    I honestly think St. Loooie is feeling the pressure, or “it”.

    After they swept us in September, their comments were that they didnt worry about the Bucs, they were more worried about the Reds. Then, they made a mad dash to get the best overall record.

    Now, they are/were huge favorites over the Bucs, but now, down 2-1, they are realizing one more loss, and they are GONE! I firmly believe that the pressure is on them today, and even though they have come back in previous years, The Pirates are a hungrier bunch.

    I believe the Bucs close it out today.

  59. JohninOshkosh says:

    I took the afternoon off. Treating today like first day of NCAA basketball tournament. My couch is going to get a workout and my kids can fend for themselves.

  60. Nate83 says:

    Thanks. My oldest son who is 10 is really into the playoffs. If the Pirates advance maybe me and him can sneak back to the room or find a TV and watch the games. Who would have thought when I scheduled this trip back in April that this would be an issue.

  61. AJS says:

    The team that bucked that trend was the 2011 St Louis Cardinals coming back to beat the Phils.

  62. NMR says:

    Matt Adams has a higher OPS against righties than Craig.

    Pass me the xanax.

  63. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yes. Yes he does. I’d play every lefty I had. He’s bound to at least hit a couple of them.

  64. NMR says:

    But what if he was…

  65. Karen22 says:

    AGREE!! We must be flexible and open-minded when major decisions confront us!


  66. JohninOshkosh says:

    Oops, they didn’t mention that. Did not know that, thanks AJS.

  67. NMR says:

    NO!!! JUST STOP!!!

    Can’t take any more ominous signs…

  68. Patrick(ri) says:

    All due respect to Pedro for coming on strong, but I think the best weapon against the Redbirds is Byrdshot. Go ahead, throw him that fastball!

  69. NMR says:

    After watching what they did to the Nationals last year, I wouldn’t bat an eye if Yadi Molina got cut and ice flowed out instead of blood.

    How many Pirates want to face Wainwright in St Louis again?

  70. diehard says:

    I don’t use Pedro’s errors as the only method of judging him defensively. I use his awful foot work, stone hands, minimal range, and flopping ole method (instead of getting in front of the ball – which goes back to footwork) for that.
    That said, Pedro’s fielding is much like his hitting – When he’s doing it well, it’s awesome to watch. Hoping he keeps it up for 4 more weeks!

  71. George Labecki says:

    So the sixteen-year-old has a JV football game at 6:00 and is going to miss the fun today. I know he set the DVR, but I’ve been debating: spoil things and tell him what he missed or stay away from him so he can’t tell by my expression whether or not good prevailed. Then it hit me: it’s 2013. He’ll hit twitter before the shoulder pads are off.

    Enjoy the day everyone. We’re only playing one, Ernie, but it’s a great day for a ball game.

  72. Patrick(ri) says:

    You need to hear from the guy with the Cardinal in his birdbath. Probably red feathers all over his yard, today?

  73. Arriba Wilver says:

    Line 1—100 OVER

    LIne 2—100 OVER

  74. JohninOshkosh says:

    Over/Under on # of posts on this thread today?

    Late afternoon game. No Pens game tonight. If Pirates advance, folks will be excited and wanting to share their thoughts. I’m putting it at:


  75. NMR says:

    Really need a better effort from Starling today.

    MUST maintain focus.

  76. Damon says:

    OK, here’s the Pirates token game day Morneau-needs-to-start-driving-in-runs-or-hitting-HRs post:

    Morneau needs to start driving in runs or hitting HRs.

  77. Gobo says:

    It would be nice, but given the makeup of the rest of this lineup, I’m fine with Morneau just continuing to get on base a few times a game. As Games 2 and 3 show, good things happen to Byrd, Alvarez and Martin when Cutch and Morenau are on base.

  78. Damon says:

    At some point the Pirates are going to need him to contribute RBIs if Byrd, Alvarez, Martin and Cutch can’t….or they need 8 or 9 runs to win today’s game.

  79. Arriba Wilver says:

    I wonder if the President’s Cup streaker will show up at the game today?

  80. Lad9 says:

    Will go over on line 1 and under on line 2. Both for 100. Thanks Playoffs. Go Buccos! And it is wild again down here!

  81. NMR says:

    Instead of expecting him to be something isn’t, they really just need to move him to a spot where his assets benefit the team.

    How many at-bats has Cutch had with men on base this post season?

  82. Lad9 says:

    Told my boss I had an appointment with Dr Hurdle at 3:07. He smiled and said go. He is a huge Tigers fan so he understands.

  83. Lad9 says:

    Clouding up now Jandy

  84. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yes it is. Looking nasty.

  85. Chuck H says:

    Don’t know which Morton will show up today, but if it’s the bad Morton, I hope Hurdle
    will have enough sense to pull him early, before too much damage is done. It shouldn’t be too hard to tell if he doesn’t have his stuff today. We have excellent relievers, both lefty
    and righty. GO,BUCS!!!

  86. Karen22 says:

    100 – OVER on each.

    We’ve got IT!

    I like IT!!

    Let’s do IT!!!


  87. Nate83 says:

    This is funny because I just told my friend a minute before reading this that I didn’t want to face Wainwright again. I then corrected myself and said I don’t want the Pirates to face Wainwright.

    He’s a Tigers fan and they just fell behind 1-0. Sanchez already is over 50 pitches thru 3 innings. That bullpen is going to be their undoing.

  88. cmat0829 says:

    100 each, line 1 over; line 2 under.

  89. Karen22 says:


  90. Nate83 says:

    The Cardinal is the state bird of Ohio and if……..who am I kidding I have nothing in terms of ominous signs but you now know the state bird for Ohio.

  91. michael DE Pitt says:

    Why can’t I get enough We Are Family?

    It’s as good as cowbell today


  92. Nate83 says:

    Or at least get a better pair of sunglasses.

  93. stickyweb says:

    I’ll go 100 on the over. Tell playoffs if I win. If not, this is just between us. :-)

  94. NMR says:

    First thing I thought when you mentioned DVR is that he better not go on Facebook, either, which is akin to passing up water in the Sahara for most 16 year olds!

    Go Bucs!

  95. NMR says:

    “That bullpen is going to be their undoing.”

    Correct me if I’m as, as you know way more about the Tigers, but wasn’t this obvious going back to LAST post season?

  96. BostonsCommon says:

    If I’m Hurdle, I go into this game willing to guarantee Charlie one turn through the Cardinal lineup. From that point on, he’s getting the hook with the first look of trouble.

    Just a look at how hitters fair each turn through the order:

    1st time: .195/.281/.213/.494
    2nd time: .303/.380/.434/.815
    3rd time: .295/.360/.402/.762
    4th time: .333/.429/.500/.929

    Those are just his numbers this year, but they are very similar to his career line. That’s one of the reasons that I’ve stated Charlie is best suited for the pen… at least until he develops a third pitch. He’s nearly untouchable the first time through.

  97. Milo Hamilton says:

    Charlie Morton has the highest ERA (6.52) against the Cardinals of any active starting pitcher in baseball.

  98. Nate83 says:

    And to think I was the one that was accused of beating the Morneau isn’t all that drum way to much. To the point that I imposed a no speaking badly about Morneau rule on myself.

  99. NMR says:

    Hahaha, well done guys.

    I feel better. And smarter.

  100. stickyweb says:

    100 each on both OVERS. Thanks playoffs.

  101. Nate83 says:

    What???? There was a streaker at the President’s cup??? Darn, I missed it. I love those guys. Did one of the golfer talking him?

  102. Chuck H says:

    If it goes back to St. Louis, I would start Cole. He has probably had enough rest since his last start, and with off days, he should be ready to go. I have
    a bad feeling about Morton going today.When he is bad, he is very bad.

  103. michael DE Pitt says:

    today will be an outlier

  104. Nate83 says:

    That should have been tackle him. Hopped up on lack of sleep, mountain dew and anxiety about this game.

  105. michael DE Pitt says:

    I’m nervouis but yinz just need to stop & revel in the glory

  106. Arriba Wilver says:

    It was a woman. Otherwise I wouldn’t have mentioned it. :-D

  107. NMR says:

    Will those stop him from swinging at borderline strikes on the very first pitch after the pitcher draws a walk?

  108. NMR says:

    If I were you I’d be disappointed nobody is giving me credit for disagreing with one of Huntington’s moves. :)

  109. Jandy says:

    Blonde, brunette, or redhead???

  110. Nate83 says:

    Yes and they did nothing to adress the issue. They have 2 or 3 good arms but they are more suited for Wilson, Watson roles.

    Garcia could have maybe gotten a good reliever at the trade deadline but that chip had to be cashed in for a shortstop to fill in for Perralta. They really don’t have much of a minor league. They literally are all in but have no closer. Red Sox pitching can match them I think. They also hit better with RISP and have more contact hitters at the top of the line up.

    As good as Austin Jackson can be he strikes out a ton. Pedrioa and Ellsbury > Infante and Jackson. Should be a good series if it happens. I’m rooting for A’s.

  111. NMR says:

    Wow, great stuff, Boston.

  112. Arriba Wilver says:

    Whether he hits or not, it was a good move.

  113. stickyweb says:

    He’s due for some regression to the mean. I’m sure most of that 6.52 ERA was when the Cards were hitting like .650 with RISP. Now that we know they’re human (or as Rocky would say, “He bleeds”), it’s a whole different story.

    I hope.

  114. Nate83 says:

    My question still stands and is now even more interesting. Did a golfer tackle her?

  115. stickyweb says:

    With Chawlie’s past numbers against STL, I was hoping Hurdle would have a quick hook if he showed any signs of struggling. Your stats just reinforce that feeling. Of course if the Bucs are up by 7 runs, cut him a little slack. Very little.

  116. Jandy says:

    Ha! Sun is out here in Duncansville. Go figure!

  117. Jandy says:

    ahhh your boss rocks!

  118. Nate83 says:

    To be fair I disagreed with it before it happened. I actually thought the deal that ended up happening was a good one. I didn’t think we could get him for a 5th outfielder and a good reliever.

    Morneau not hitting for power and the Pirates still winning is just a small bonus for my ego. Hopefully it hits 4 homeruns over the next 6 or 7 games and puts my ego back were it belongs.

  119. michael DE Pitt says:

    and the Bucs were not suppose to compete with the yanks in 60 (Mom told me)

  120. Arriba Wilver says:

    Brown, with red, white and blue pasties.

  121. Nate83 says:

    I agree AW. I’ve been actually defending the guy because he has contributed in the field and with his approach at the plate. It hasn’t translated to runs batted in but his at bats have not been empty like Jones had been more often then not. He has walked to moved batters along. I’m not sure he should be batting clean up but he hasn’t been bad.

  122. Steelag70 says:

    I guess the Buccos should just not bother to show up today then, since the mood here seems to be the Buccos will struggle…. ;)

  123. stickyweb says:

    Agree with A-Dub, it was a good move. Nobody was (or should have been) under the delusion we were getting the Morneau of August. But he makes both the lineup and the bench better. Sure I thought he’d have a couple of HRs by now, but the team is scoring almost 5 runs a game in the playoffs (including Wainwright’s domination) so who cares if it’s Cutch and Morneau setting the table for Byrd, Pedro and Martin or Marte and Walker setting the table for Cutch and Morneau?

    Don’t change a thing until you have to.

  124. Arriba Wilver says:

    Clear again.

  125. Nate83 says:

    Thanks Milo. Why didn’t you just wait until right before the first pitch to suck all the air out of this balloon full of excitement.

    But what is the sample size? Whatever it is I’m going to say that it is 1 inning less then the amount needed to matter.

  126. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not it!!

    I’ve been saying that all along.

    I was very confident in the Pirates behind Cole and Liriano.

    Felt CM is the wild card. Must have short leash.

  127. michael DE Pitt says:


    and we will win

  128. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    or Instagram. or any of the other things out there.

    I have them all, just so I can see what my 14 year old is up.

    Though Twitter I got addicted to…

  129. stickyweb says:

    Wow a true patriot. Gotta love it.

  130. michael DE Pitt says:

    the only sample size that matters is today

  131. cmat0829 says:

    i think at this point, at least for game 4 (and possibly 5), CH will go with a “If IT is not broken then don’t fix IT”. Don’t expect a lineup move at this point, More-no and Ped-ro will stay where they are.

    For NLCS may be time to make that adjustment in the long break the Bucs will have. :)

  132. BostonsCommon says:

    Yea, everyone is going to see their numbers get worse each time through the lineup. But with Charlie, it’s like he goes from turning every hitter into the opposing pitcher, to turning every hitter into Chipper Jones as soon as the lineup turns over.

    A change up or cutter would help that. But that’s besides the point.

    Hurdle has Wilson who can go at least 2 IP if necessary, as well as Gomez. I don’t care what the score is, if it gets into the 3rd or 4th, and Charlies gives up a walk and a double, he’s coming out of the game. There is no reason to mess around and screw this game up… No reason to take this series back to St. Louis.

  133. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Yes. It eliminates those pitches from his view..

  134. Arriba Wilver says:


  135. Karen22 says:

    Here’s an ominous sign:

    Blackbeard rising!!


  136. Jandy says:

    ha! Speak for yerself, me fine friend :P

  137. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Better than bashing Clint Barmes for his lack of defense.

  138. Nate83 says:

    That seems to be a one man crusade.

  139. stickyweb says:

    So is it too early to bring up the fact that we should be rooting for ATL tonight so Kershaw has to pitch game 5? Putting faith in Freddy Garcia may be the dumbest thing I’ve ever done. Or at least in the top hundred.

  140. Nate83 says:

    Agree, don’t change anything right now. As I mentioned on the morning blog Morneau looks to be heating up. He’s really centering the ball and hitting it hard right now.

  141. Karen22 says:

    We also need a Walker sighting…

  142. Arriba Wilver says:

    You forgot about “It.”

  143. NMR says:

    For all that Dombkowski has done, seems nothing short of stubborn to refuse to address this issue.

    Thanks for the rundown, buddy.

  144. Arriba Wilver says:

    Neil’s been fielding great.

  145. NMR says:

    Twitter was a game changer for me. I get more news on more topics than I ever could have found on my own.

  146. Nate83 says:

    I think we are talking too much about Morton and not enough about Wacha. When he is locating he is tough when he misses his spots and falls behind he is definately hittable. Let’s hope the Wacha that struggles to locate shows up today. He is every bit as likely to have a bad outing as Charlie.

  147. michael DE Pitt says:

    Just got on a litle bit ago whats up with this and I hope it doesn’t translate to the park because the Bucs need us in DE but more so in the park

    I’m just guessing because unfamiliar territory?


  148. NMR says:

    Dude, strike zone glasses!

  149. michael DE Pitt says:

    I WANT Atl

  150. Arriba Wilver says:

    You Tweet, NMR?

  151. Jandy says:

    ahhh…but has he been fielding better than Barmes???


  152. Karen22 says:

    YEP… I expect the BAT today, too!

  153. BostonsCommon says:

    I don’t think the Pirates will struggle. But I also don’t think Charlie is going 7+ of shutout baseball. It’s more likely he cruises through the first three IP, then starts to give up a few base runners (at which point I hope Hurdle doesn’t hesitate to pull him).

    I also think it’s likely the pressure gets to Wacca and he struggles to make it through the 5th. I see this game being decided by the bullpens. And if that is the case, I’ll put my booty on the Buccos every time.

  154. NMR says:

    “Don’t change a thing until you have to.”

    How many second chances do you expect to receive?

    This is the post season.

  155. Jandy says:

    and more likely to have “nerves”

  156. Jandy says:

    woah! lol

  157. Ed says:

    If they’re going to win this series, they have to take it today.

    Beat em Bucs!

  158. theplanisworking says:

    At least we have good announcers today.

    I remember Dick Stockton doing excellent work on NBA basketball back in the day.

  159. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Howdy all,

    So I still say these start times suck, but what makes it worse, is I’m back to work this week. I had last week off so I was able to enjoy the games on my couch.

    Noon start time here so at least I can eat my lunch while I view the GAMECAST, which is always a joy.

    I stated waaaayyyy up there, that I have considered CM’s start today the real wild card in this series.

    Some great stats from Boston up above about how CM does going through the lineup. I’m sure Hurdle knows these numbers as well, and then some.

    I do feel that CM will go a strong 5-6 innings today, limiting the damage of the Cards.

    I read some the posts about CM sucking it up against lefties, didn’t see any stats so actually looked them up myself.

    The suprising thing that jumpted out at me was his walk rate. 25 walks to LH in 229 plate appearances. The other, BAbip is a staggering .379. Yea, I’d say he has a hard time getting LH’s out.

    Matt Adams could be the difference in this game. Outside of Beltran of course. Doesn’t matter what side of the plate he’s on.

  160. Jandy says:

    Newbies, lurkers, and everyone! We want to chat with you.
    If you post your hometown, Bizrow will add it to the list of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum.
    Don’t be shy, we don’t bite :)

  161. Nate83 says:

    Most times I would put my money on the Bucs bullpen but with the Cards I think it’s a coin flip. They are really deep and have multiple power throwing arms left and right. We are watching the most complete bullpens in the league along with Atlanta which may be not as deep but very good on the backend.

  162. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t get that, NMR. What would you change, up 2-1?

  163. cosmo says:

    100 over for both lines

  164. NMR says:

    I’m more of a passer-alonger-of-stuff-people-smarter-than-me-write than a tweeter.

    And no baseball, mostly music and business.

  165. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    What I failed to add, but the .379 tells me that he’s not just getting hit, but hit really, really hard.

  166. Nate83 says:

    Yes green light swing and red light don’t. Shark Tank here we come.

  167. NMR says:

    I contend that pasties don’t count, fwiw…

    line < NMR

  168. The Justice Avenger says:

    Afternoon Loonies! The moment has arrived…As Bob Prince would have said “It’s rug cuttin’ time”. Let’s finish this up today, Gentlemen!

  169. Tom P. says:

    Good work.

  170. BostonsCommon says:

    I’d be interested to see a bullpen ERA comp through the 2013 playoffs so far. I think the HR Beltran hit last night was the first ER the Pirates ‘pen has given up in 10+ IP

  171. Milo Hamilton says:

    If it’s me, 1st guy out of the bullpen today if it’s early – AJ Burnett.

  172. Patrick(ri) says:

    6-3 Pirates. Morton, 6+ innings 4-5 hits, 2 ers. Walker & Byrd hitting stars.

  173. The Justice Avenger says:

    Afternoon, Nunnie!

  174. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think she also was carrying a flag. ;-)

  175. War Horse says:

    Line #1 100 on the over please.

  176. The Justice Avenger says:

    Ok…sounds good, Patrick. I was thinking…Petey is going to have a big day and Cutch is going to make up for his miscue last night. 8-2. Maybe way too high…but hey, we can dream.

  177. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Sounds good to me, but I think its 4-3 Buccos. CM with 5+ with 3er.

    I’ll take More-NO as my pick to click today..

  178. Jandy says:

    Hheeeyyyyy Justice :)
    How’s things?
    I’m so excited!

  179. The Justice Avenger says:

    Yup…righto, Milo.

  180. Nate83 says:

    I was just talking in general over 162 games. I’m not sure about the playoffs but three blow out games isn’t a good barometer on how they would pitch in close games.

  181. Jandy says:

    He!! TO THE YEAH!!!!

  182. Arriba Wilver says:

    Right there with you, Milo.

  183. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’ll walk Beltran.

  184. Jandy says:

    3 pitches, Charlie strikes out Carpenter

  185. The Justice Avenger says:

    Hi Jandy – Fine at work…quiet here today. I think everyone left the office for PNC and left me behind. Oh yea…excited…this is 20 years in the making for a “clincher” game!

  186. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nice one Nate.

    I agree with you guys on JM. I do like his patience at the plate.

    but he’s definetly devoloped Mike Greenwell disease. WTP baby

  187. Milo Hamilton says:

    Being wrong is great sometimes.

  188. The Justice Avenger says:

    He is SO due, Ryan. I like it.

  189. Jandy says:

    Beltran grounds out :)

  190. Jandy says:

    sure is , especially when it doesn’t involve a woman ;)

  191. Milo Hamilton says:

    Secret to a long marriage, admitting you’re wrong even when you’re not.

  192. NMR says:

    Very minor…just putting Morneau in the two spot.

    Only two problems I’ve seen thus far with the offense:

    -top of the order getting on base
    -Cutch getting pitches to hit with men on base

    I just don’t trust the offense to continue putting up runs without Cutch doing the damage.

    Just as with Game 1, I’m not comfortable waiting.

  193. theplanisworking says:

    LIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

  194. Jandy says:

    Grrr! Holiday gets a single.

  195. Dom says:

    Thata boy, morneau!

  196. Jandy says:

    Adams Family Lunch Pail batting…

  197. theplanisworking says:

    Justin Morneau, Ladies and Germs.

  198. The Justice Avenger says:

    nice start….

  199. Jandy says:

    and he grounds out YAY!

  200. Jandy says:


  201. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    What sucks about GAMECAST. Is I can’t actually watch the game.

    I can see the results, but not the delivery. That’s what I enjoy about watching a game.

  202. Patrick(ri) says:

    Corollary: be parsimonious in pointing out her errors.

  203. theplanisworking says:

    Rule #1……… A Woman is Always Right.
    Rule #2 …….. if a Woman is ever Wrong, see Rule #1.

  204. Jandy says:

    Oh boy, don’t get me started lol.

  205. 100 on the over both lines

  206. Jandy says:


  207. Karen22 says:

    Against Holliday, he NEEDS to be playing toward RIGHT (would have snagged that liner single). And scary throw to Morneau on Adams.

    Other than that…GREAT! ;)

  208. Patrick(ri) says:

    Marte need to bunt his way on.

  209. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    still working on that one..i usually just change the subject or act like I hurt something.

  210. stickyweb says:

    I’d prefer ATL too if only to exorcise some demons. But no way they beat Kershaw in game 5 if it gets to that. So I’d settle for Kershaw not being able to pitch until game 3 in NLCS

  211. The Justice Avenger says:


  212. Jandy says:

    no…let him hit the friggin ball.

  213. JohninOshkosh says:

    When Dejan was a beat writer, he would always take a picture of PNC on the last home game of the season, post it and remind us that we would not see such a scene for 6 more months.

    He can’t do that today. No certainty that this is the last home game of the year. How terrific is that ?

    Crowd is great early.

  214. KJX says:

    Crap…hope I’m not too late.

    #1 100 over
    #2 100 over

  215. Patrick(ri) says:

    I wish he would!

  216. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I know he is. He’s due to find some holes. Has been hitting the ball hard (for him, Ha!) and will find it today.

  217. The Justice Avenger says:

    well said…John…well said!

  218. Jandy says:


  219. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just stand there, smile and say “yes, dear” and then compliment her on her beauty and superior intelligence.

  220. KJX says:

    Greetings one and all…got here a little late but feeling good about today’s game.

  221. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    My brother is at the game.

    He better be……..

  222. Jandy says:

    Wacha throwing a lot of 4 seam fastballs

  223. Dom says:


  224. Jandy says:

    it’s all good KJX…pull up a chair and chat a bit :)

  225. Jandy says:

    lol Just not an infield pop out

  226. Patrick(ri) says:

    Pirates have a nice advantage if this game is tight — Cards will be under much greater pressure to pinch hit for pitcher.

  227. JohninOshkosh says:

    What’s that list again, Milo ?

    1. Larsen
    2. Halladay

    (Just trying to jinx the kid early).

  228. Jandy says:

    text him and see…

  229. theplanisworking says:

    Bleacher Report.

  230. Naje says:

    Marte bunting to get on base early in the game is not a bad thing… at all. Puts the infield on notice and, in some cases, makes a guy like Cueto bust his tail to field the ball and make a play and maybe cause some damage.

    Bunting for a hit, especially when you’re not getting many hits at all, is not a bad thing.

  231. Milo Hamilton says:

    By the way, finally an umpire who looks like he has a clue.

  232. Jandy says:

    I hate not being able to see this on tv! I gotta work just a bit l longer, then head home (10 minutes away). I’ll call hubby to turn it on…he got done with his job early :)

  233. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    good call. surprised I haven’t heard from him already..

  234. The Justice Avenger says:

    I am just checking Gamecast from time to time (this working thing!)…but who is the plate umpire today? Is he calling “fairly” in the first inning or so?

  235. Milo Hamilton says:

    Sam Holbrook.

  236. Milo Hamilton says:

    Look above !

  237. NMR says:

    Very good add, Ryan. High BABIP can signal regression…just usually not when the pitcher is giving up lasers.

  238. The Justice Avenger says:

    thanks, milo…that hadn’t clicked on yet when i wrote this.

  239. Jandy says:


  240. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jim Joyce is at first. Many an infamous call in long history of baseball at that bag. Including one from him.

  241. Patrick(ri) says:

    The kid has not pitched with anybody on base in last many innings. I want to see how cool he is with men on?

  242. Jandy says:

    That’s a plus!

  243. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Looks like he’s getting ground balls….always a good sign.

  244. Karen22 says:

    GROUND CHUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  245. Jandy says:

    three up and three down again. Good job Charlie!

  246. NMR says:

    Freese and Adams are both juuuust this side of awful in the field.

  247. Steelag70 says:

    Ok….let’s get the bats going Buccos…

  248. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I was curious, but it doesn’t appear that Allen Craig is hurt.

    Why is he not playing again?

    I’m not complaining. Seems odd to me.

  249. Patrick(ri) says:

    Morneau have bat speed for this kid?

  250. Bdhumbert says:

    100 on the over on both

  251. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He’s also batting .500 in his career against CM…small sample of course.

    He must be hurt.

  252. stickyweb says:

    Um, I just found out you can watch the TBS broadcast at Frigging awesome!!!

  253. Naje says:

    His fastball is nice… perfect 2-0 fastball up in the zone to Morneau… Pedro’s going to crush one of those if Wacha’s not careful.

  254. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    ” GM John Mozeliak indicated Craig (foot) is not expected to play during the postseason, reports. (Thu Oct 3)”

    Nevermind, carry on.

  255. Steelag70 says:

    He can get it up around 98…

  256. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    glad you can……..access denied!!

  257. Milo Hamilton says:

    Liz Frank.

  258. Nate83 says:

    Kershaw going tonight for the Dodgers.

  259. Bdhumbert says:

    Greetings from 210

    Crazy crowd again

    No black rally towels today

    Range Resources coulda sprung for them!

  260. The Justice Avenger says:

    I say Blue clinches tonight.

  261. stickyweb says:

    Ouch. Sorry.

  262. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    that’s what she said

  263. KJX says:

    Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!! Waaa…kaaa!!!

  264. The Justice Avenger says:

    Have fun!

  265. Steelag70 says:

    Thought it was Nolasco?

  266. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Just got that text from my brother, who is at the game. “Its a little crazy”

    Sarcasm is a family trait.

  267. KJX says:

    Got you admit. I would rather see the Braves in the NLCS, just feel like there is one more 1992 demon to expel…

  268. Jandy says:

    Hey Bd :)

  269. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    eh, I’m used to it. Amazed that I can actually get to the blog from work.

  270. Karen22 says:

    Not on the Byrd “strikeout.”

  271. Patrick(ri) says:

    So far, it appears Byrd is the only guy with a chance. Barmes may surprise, though.

  272. The Justice Avenger says:

    Well, this now has become a 7 inning ballgame….

  273. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    The actor? ha

  274. Nate83 says:

    It was just announced. I guess the thought process is use both your silver bullets. If somehow Kershaw losses you have Greinke who is almost just as good going next.

  275. Karen22 says:

    The kid is unfazed. POOP!

  276. The Justice Avenger says:

    Maybe the Baseball Gods are lining it up just like that.

  277. Nate83 says:

    I’m OK with that. If you tell me it has now become a 4 inning game in about an hour I would take it.

  278. stickyweb says:

    Late change. ESPN had Nolasco in there earlier this afternoon.

  279. Nate83 says:

    I’m calling it right now. Barmes opposite field double down the line. Maybe not today but sometime during the rest of his career.

  280. theplanisworking says:


  281. KJX says:

    The question is… who will blink first?

  282. The Justice Avenger says:

    Sure…he almost tossed a no-hitter…THAT is unfazed as you suggest, Karen

  283. Jandy says:

    he’s prolly too dumb to know any better lol

  284. Jandy says:


  285. Dom says:

    Ground chuck?

    More like Ground Sirloin!

  286. Nate83 says:

    Yes so far it seems that way. Things change when runners get on. Hopefully that happens soon. We must get him out of his comfort zone.

  287. Jandy says:

    Alrighty then! three more outs…Go Charlie!!!

  288. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not a fan of Carpenter. I mean, I am, but not against us.

    Seems as though the Pirates have shut him down this series.

    ……… far

  289. The Justice Avenger says:

    we re – learned a lot about this Pirates team last night…late in the contest. that was the pirates of may and june…those come back kids.

  290. Jandy says:

    he’s good Charlie today :)

  291. The Justice Avenger says:

    BUCS, KJ

  292. Karen22 says:

    Let’s go, BATS!!

  293. Jandy says:


  294. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    So far, this is what was expected from him.

    Can he hold up. I’d be happy with one more time through the lineup, should put him 6+ inning range the way he’s going.

  295. Jandy says:


  296. Patrick(ri) says:

    More likely a dink to right, or a soft liner to center. He won’t over swing. Didn’t you see the tape of him taking a lesson from Byrd?

  297. The Justice Avenger says:

    tell your bro to yell a little louder, ryan…

  298. Jandy says:


  299. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Exactly..barring his comfort zone has the bases juiced.

  300. The Justice Avenger says:

    Looks like Jim Leyland and Co. are have issues with the A’s. 6-3 in the 7th.

  301. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Big drop off in temperature there today.

    What gives? Or is it normal PA weather?

  302. Dom says:

    Take EVERY pitch until, you’re down to two strikes, Morton.

  303. Patrick(ri) says:


  304. The Justice Avenger says:

    BTW…I like the A’s to win that Series…

  305. Arriba Wilver says:

    Normal PA weather.

  306. Hell Unleashed says:

    She was too fast to be tackled. Maybe the Steelers should try to sign her. ogle or uhhmm google it…

  307. NMR says:

    First two curveballs of the day looked like they froze Martin. Uh oh.

  308. Jandy says:

    what we’ve had the last couple weeks was way above the norm. Today is normal.

  309. Karen22 says:

    Normal for October!

  310. Arriba Wilver says:

    “How was London?”

  311. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Alright, let’s see what Charlie can do to the heart of the order 2nd time through.

    Hoping that Boston’s numbers will be ignored.

  312. The Justice Avenger says:


  313. stickyweb says:

    She’s been knocking out a lot of athletes recently. Hope I never meet her. Not that I qualify.

  314. Nate83 says:

    Is this game on pace to be the fastest playoff game ever?

  315. Karen22 says:

    Martin takes buckets of early strikes (Cutch, too). I think a key today will have to be AGGRESSIVE EARLY. We’re in the hole before we know it so far!

  316. Naje says:

    ANOTHER pukish, weak slow roller by the Cards.

    So sick of watching those nubbers.

  317. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Figured, since I can’t see anything..


  318. Naje says:

    Not with 3:00 in between each half inning. THREE FREAKING MINUTES. 2:30 of commercials between each half inning… 56 minutes of NOTHING.

  319. Steelag70 says:

    Wacha is on today….the kid really can pitch. I watched him pitch many games at A&M….just wish he would not be so good today…

  320. NMR says:

    So thaaaat is how Holiday didn’t get doubled up…

  321. Dom says:

    I don’t like the way this game is going. It’s hard to imagine that Morton is going to keep pitching this way throughout the entire game but Wacha is making us look horrible.

  322. NMR says:

    Good call, Karen!

  323. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    They’re scrappy….Nobody is really a star on that team.

    Fun to watch.

  324. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I’m with ya….

  325. theplanisworking says:

    Hopefully we get better each time thru the lineup…….

  326. cmat0829 says:

    Good Cholly!! 4 scoreless and through the teeth of the Cards lineup. LETS GET SOME RUNS!!!!

  327. Jandy says:

    Think positive, Dom!

  328. Steve says:

    Time to get the bats going!

  329. Barb says:

    Have a great time at the House of Mouse. I just got back on Friday and my friend and I made it back to our resort to watch the Wildcard game on Tuesday. Awesome!

  330. NMR says:


  331. Jandy says:

    OK, gotta go home…10 minute drive….then turn it on there :)
    Goooo Bucs!

  332. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I see no reason why he wouldn’t either…….Of course, I can’t see anything.

    GAMECAST’s point of view shows that he’s dealing. Unless I’m missing something, you’re getting paranoid.

  333. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    +1………seriously, just 1 would be nice at this point.

  334. Nate83 says:

    They have to start getting the pitchcount up for Wacha.

  335. cmat0829 says:

    Wacha working quickly, looking very confident. Bucs need to battle and get a hit and see if that pace changes…. so far he is using his fastball more than I thought he would…. it just takes one to get this started!!!

  336. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    hard to do with all the 1st pitch strikes…

  337. Milo Hamilton says:

    They’ve got no chance.

  338. Nate83 says:

    I can’t tell on gamecast. Most pitches are strikes many near the middle of the plate. Are pitches moving that much or are the Pirate hitters just missing.

  339. Steelag70 says:

    Think positive Milo…

  340. NMR says:

    Haha, how bout we start with getting a hit before we move on to advanced studies.

  341. Steelag70 says:

    Wacha is looking a lot like Wainwright did in that first game…

  342. cmat0829 says:

    for the most part, Wacha is just dealing his fastball (95-97) on the outer edge of the strike zone, up. A few change ups sprinkled in. Looks very, very in command. Byrd has had best at bat so far, made him work.

  343. NMR says:

    Changeup is in their head. Nobody has turned on a fastball yet.

  344. Naje says:

    Dude owns the mound and the batter’s box… really have to do something to disrupt his rhythm. The non-committed, lame fake bunt from Marte was stupid…just bunt for a hit and try to make him make a play… never know when wet grass makes a guy slip.

    May have to take drastic measures and pretend an eye issue or a contact issue and call out the trainer… and then do it it again. He’s almost quick-pitching these guys every pitch.

  345. OldSoldier21 says:

    The Bucs were 2 for 30 against Wacha this season. They are now 2 for 42. The funny part is, this guy looks very hittable. At least too, me – a mere layman observer…..

  346. cmat0829 says:

    downward plane and lights-out changeup. Bucs hitters seem to be looking for changeup and cant pull trigger on fastball.

  347. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    That’s the one thing I wish GAMECAST could tell you. What pitch was thrown.

  348. Naje says:

    His outside corner 97mph fastball is untouchable… unless you get lucky and poke it off the end of the bat down the RF line… and that would mean real luck was on your side. Guy is dealing.

  349. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Dodgers are pitching Kershaw tonight.

  350. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Should be illegal.

  351. Naje says:

    Morton paints three corners and gets no calls… when a guy hits corners at 95 to 97mph, he tends to get those calls… or at least he is today.

  352. Naterosboro says:

    Just saw Rob B. retweet this.

    “@MAppel26 4m

    Rooting for my dude @MichaelWacha today! Nothing better than this. Good luck man!”

    No words. Hopefully this will give our bats the “it” they’ve been lacking through the first 4 innings.

  353. NMR says:


  354. Naje says:

    And ANOTHER seeing eye, 8 bounce single. Absolutely hate watching this team hit. Talk about fluke hits.

  355. OldSoldier21 says:

    Clemente would have taken him deep a couple of times dealing out there. At least that’s what my nostalgic memory says. ;)

  356. Karen22 says:

    YEP – ALL three of those could have been called strikes. I DON’T like this game so far!!!!!!!!!!

  357. Arriba Wilver says:

    2 of those, at least, were in the zone, according to the pitch-track.

  358. cmat0829 says:

    tough spot for cholly!! deep breaths…

  359. NMR says:

    Huge at-bat here.

  360. Naje says:

    If the ump calls those pitches to Freese strikes, like they were, Kozma’s nubber is an easy out. How millimeters can determine a game…

  361. NMR says:

    And not even really close, at that.

  362. theplanisworking says:

    THAT WAS HUGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  363. NMR says:

    Wow. Just wow.

  364. cmat0829 says:

    BEAUTI-FUL… Morton K’s Carpenter who is one tough out….. Cholly shutting out Cards (and their tough left handed hitters who are unstoppable with RISP) through 5.

    That’s why they play the game folks… lucky we don’t just let the computer decide things.

  365. OldSoldier21 says:

    Scoreless through 4.5 innings. Charlie held tough in that situation.

  366. Arriba Wilver says:


  367. Steelag70 says:

    Playoff baseball folks….

  368. cmat0829 says:

    Mike Matheny called, he said that K by Morton there was a ‘momentum shifting play’.

  369. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    For how well Wacha is pitching, Charlie is right there toe-to-toe with him. But at least he’s kept it interesting, a 2 hits/2 walks. Wacha’s keeping all that to himself.


  370. KenKopp says:

    Just got home. Been getting updates until now. Go Bucs! Seen some pesimisam in some of the posts. We are in a pitchers duel in the playoffs. Enjoy it kiddos, it don’t get much better than this. Pull like hell. Go Bucs! Lets get some hits.

    Would be a great time for Justin’s first dinger.

  371. War Horse says:


  372. Steelag70 says:

    Maybe that will ignite the momentum for the bats to wake up……is too late to call on Jobu??

  373. Tom P. says:

    Huge out right there. Sixth inning with Beltran, Holiday, Adams and Molina will be bigger still.

  374. Karen22 says:

    I need a defibrillator!

  375. Arriba Wilver says:


  376. Nate83 says:

    If Morton gets through the heart of the order in the the 6th he could give us 7 innings today. Couldn’t ask for more.

  377. OldSoldier21 says:

    Gotta get a baserunner and get this guy in the stretch…. lean into one – somebody…….

  378. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He needs to #STFD

  379. NMR says:

    I’m already at the point where they should sell out on Wacha’s fastball and try to put one in the seats.

  380. cmat0829 says:

    especially Adams. bigger. yeah.

  381. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not at all, but Hurdle better be ready to go the pen…

  382. cmat0829 says:

    I know the Bucs lie in fear of the change up… but Wacha has been very very consistent on the upper outside edge of the zone with fastballs…. do the Bucs hitters think about perhaps ‘going Matt Holliday” on those pitches and strictly going for the opposite field hit?? Byrd there tried to pull the 97 up and outside pitch…ain’t gonna happen

  383. Naterosboro says:


    i cant stand mark appel

  384. Patrick(ri) says:

    Why swing at 0-3????

  385. stickyweb says:

    Pedro hasn’t gone deep in a while

  386. stickyweb says:

    Still hasn’t

  387. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    3-0 pitch and Pedro does nothing with it……awesome.

  388. cmat0829 says:

    no disrepect to Cholly but I’d have Justin Wilson throwing in the pen right at the start of the inning…..

    and I also pitch very carefully to Beltran… a walk, not ideal, wouldn’t be a killer, sets up DP for Holiday.

  389. Steelag70 says:

    Com on Buccos…at least one freakin’ hit please…..

  390. Dom says:

    I never understood why they swung at a 3-0 count. Especially when we have done nothing all day at the plate.

    Wacha has only thrown 62 pitches. He isn’t going anywhere any time soon.

  391. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He wouldn’t be swing 0-3, he’d be grabbing some pine.

  392. Nate83 says:

    Have the Pirate hitters stepped out of the batters box or called time a few time to try and disrupt this guys timeing? On gamecast it seems as if there is a pitch every 10-15 seconds. If they are not doing it they need to slow this kid down and get him out of his groove.

  393. NMR says:

    “Where is this “opposite field” you speak of?” – Pirate Batters

  394. cmat0829 says:

    outcome sucked but i agree on the green light. Pedro has to know to swing only if you really get a good look and can put a good swing on it… but in this game a big fly may be all we get..and all we need.

  395. Steelag70 says:

    Why the heck couldn’t you pitch like that at A&M Wacha?? Geezzz….

  396. Arriba Wilver says:

    No doubt letting him hit away was the right move.

    Not going to criticize Pedro, either. Dude’s been tremendous.

  397. OldSoldier21 says:

    Good question, just because you have the green light doesn’t mean you have to swing — unless you can drive it…..

  398. Patrick(ri) says:

    Some signs of weakening in kid’s stuff. Keep game tied and pressure mounts more on the 1-2 team, I don’t care if Cy Young is pitching for them(he apparently is).

  399. Nate83 says:

    Big inning for Charlie here.

  400. NMR says:

    Because a belt high fastball down the middle can turn into a run a hell of a lot faster than a walk with two outs.

  401. Steelag70 says:

    Going to be no-hit by a rook folks…

  402. cmat0829 says:

    Cholly pitches Beltran as I suspected..nothing he can lift out of the park….

  403. OldSoldier21 says:

    Leadoff man on again. Need a GIDP, I like the around the 4-6-3 with Holiday in the box…..

  404. cmat0829 says:

    Justin should be up in the pen…. Adams next….

  405. cmat0829 says:


  406. Arriba Wilver says:


  407. stickyweb says:

    He’s just kissing up so Wacha will root for him when Appel pitches in the playoffs. Assuming he pitches until he’s 55 years old.

  408. Parrothead01 says:

    Morton dodged a bullet twice with his walks. Don’t know if he can do it again.

  409. OldSoldier21 says:

    2-0 Bad guys. :(

  410. Barb says:

    Doggone it Charlie.

  411. theplanisworking says:

    Not good at all!

  412. Steelag70 says:


  413. Steelag70 says:

    Time to get him out CH….

  414. cmat0829 says:

    wow my most hated Cardinal goes deep and it’s 2-0. With Wacha pitching, feels like 6-0. Energy sapped out of the team and the park.

    GET IT BACK, guys… it’s not over yet……. 4 more at bats….. LETS GO BUCS

  415. Naje says:

    Crushed a decent pitch… not the best… thought he had him struck out on the pitch prior. Bucs need to run into one, but they won’t get to the ‘pen today… maybe in the 9th.

  416. Arriba Wilver says:


  417. Nate83 says:

    Detroit and A’s just had bench clearing incident. Victor Martinez fouled a ball off and you can hear an audible F— you Martinez from Belfour on the mound and Martinez just went towards the mound and the benches cleared.

  418. Parrothead01 says:

    Dammit, that’s what I was worried about.

  419. cmat0829 says:

    pitching carefully to beltran was right move… holliday made them pay.

  420. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  421. Steelag70 says:

    Freakin’ Cards…

  422. Bizrow says:

    We still have time

  423. Karen22 says:


  424. Steelag70 says:

    Looks like we’ll be heading back to St Louis….

  425. OldSoldier21 says:

    Another walk after two quick outs. Oy vey – I hate 2 out walks!

  426. Barb says:

    It’s time to get Charlie out of there. We don’t need any more damage done.

  427. Dave G says:

    Just lost my TV signal.

    Thanks, Time-Warner.

  428. Steelag70 says:

    Not the way Wacha is pitching…

  429. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Belfour isn’t one to mess with..

  430. Steelag70 says:

    Not with the way Wacha is dealing….he’s dealing like Cole was in Game 2…

  431. OldSoldier21 says:

    Time is not our problem, the guy pitching for the Cards is the problem – and he doesn’t appear to be going any where, soon…..

  432. Bizrow says:

    That can change

  433. cmat0829 says:

    Hope it doesn’t get lost in this game, but that was a GREAT outing from Morton… he had to be perfect and he just couldn’t carry it through the 6th… I think some of this walks the past 2 innings were because he knew he had to be too fine.

    If the Bucs got an early run or two, we might’ve gotten Cholly through 6.

    great job, Cholly, you put this team in position to win this game…. it’s on the offense to come through, as it was at the beginning of this day anyway.

  434. Naje says:

    I lost cable in middle of Byrd at bat… five minutes of lost game time…other channels, fine… froze TBS, even my dvr taping.

  435. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    relax. I dont like this anymore than anyone else, but there is still plenty of time, even with how Wacha is pitching.

    Not the end of the world and Charlie has pitched very well, even with the 2 run homer.

    still sucks. but they’ll get it back.

  436. Arriba Wilver says:

    Clint heard you.

  437. Parrothead01 says:

    That’s the third time he has walked a man on four straight pitches. A major league pitcher should not have that much trouble finding the plate. Even if he is trying to be careful pitching to a batter. What’s Jay done this series to be afraid to throw strikes to.

  438. theplanisworking says:

    We all have time……………..

  439. Patrick(ri) says:

    3hits, 5 2/3 innings 2 ERs – almost exactly what I expected. Morton did his job, now the offense has to step up.

  440. Arriba Wilver says:


  441. NMR says:

    Absolutely. Far outperformed my expectations.

  442. florida steeler says:

    6 inning Chuck really did a good job today–no bats

  443. cmat0829 says:

    so call the boys off the field, then, stop the telecast, no reason to play the last 4 innings right?

  444. Bizrow says:

    What Ryan said +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  445. Naje says:

    Good, but not great. Sometimes you just gotta focus on your job and not worry about being no-hit. He limits walks and allowing guys on base, great… he gives up walks and one mistake, well, I’ll take the effort and call it a good one.

  446. Steelag70 says:

    Can, but doubt it…this is the way he pitched his last time out…had the no-no through 8 2/3….

  447. Dave G says:

    My DVR is working. I can watch what is recorded.

    No signal on any of the channels right now..

  448. Nate83 says:

    I hope your right. If we are to go forward in the playoffs Morton’s outing is very encouraging. Not many teams can get that performance from their 4th starter. He did his job. Hopefully now we can pick him up.

    Unfortunatley the Cards are getting a great start from their 4th starter right now.

  449. cmat0829 says:

    so before the game started, you wouldn’t have taken ‘hold the Cards to 2 runs through 6’? I think 99.9% of this group would have. but ok.

  450. Dom says:

    not looking good

  451. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    1st time watching a MLB game? It happens.

  452. NMR says:

    Before the inning I was ready to say Clint has to pull him if Beltran gets on.

    But that just isn’t realistic.

  453. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    or what I predicted..

  454. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Walk + Bloop + Blast = NLCS

    Anything is possible if a person believes……

  455. cmat0829 says:

    Detroit underpeforming for yet another season under Leyland. With that offense and pitching staff, this team is 1 game from being eliminated.

    Lukewarm “Balfour” chants from the home crowd……

  456. OldSoldier21 says:

    Seriously, they need to get this guy in the stretch – somehow. get him out of his comfort zone and break his rhythm…….

  457. cmat0829 says:

    whatever “IT” is, Detroit has the opposite of “IT”.

  458. Nate83 says:

    Come on draw a walk

  459. Steelag70 says:

    Let’s see what the bats can do….gut-check time…

  460. Naje says:

    Sweet… keep working him fellas.

  461. Dom says:

    GI Jones!!!

  462. OldSoldier21 says:

    4 pitch walk to Martin! YES!!!!!!

  463. Nate83 says:


  464. cmat0829 says:

    4 pitch walk from “WALK-A”… time to get back in this game, fellas.

    load up the pinch hitters Clint.

  465. Steelag70 says:

    Guts and coconuts time…

  466. cmat0829 says:

    get ready to “CLEAR THE DECKS

  467. Patrick(ri) says:

    Who is this guy?

  468. NMR says:

    Yep. Right call, Clint.

  469. cmat0829 says:

    Jones a bit anxious… Wacha gets a big time call from the ump on strike 1

  470. Naje says:

    Man that first pitch was juicy for Jones… and he just couldn’t pull the trigger.

  471. Patrick(ri) says:

    He looked vaguely familiar.

  472. cmat0829 says:

    bad outcome, right call. Jones as a PH needs to be less anxious

  473. Naje says:

    Sometimes you just gotta hack at the first pitch… because he wasn’t going to get another chance to hit a strike. Jones is too easy to get out with offspeed stuff.

  474. Naje says:

    Right at the knees… or at the very bottom of the knees.

  475. OldSoldier21 says:

    Come on guys!!!! Do something positive this inning.

  476. NMR says:

    Same with Jordy here.

    Good moves by the Manager (let it be noted :) )

  477. Nate83 says:

    So use the contact hitter after the power hitter? Great decision.

  478. cmat0829 says:

    so far so good for wacha in the stretch
    what’s with the Cards angling for group gropes in the outfield on popups? they gonna collide one of these times….

  479. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:
    October 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm Sounds good to me, but I think its 4-3 Buccos. CM with 5+ with 3er

  480. OldSoldier21 says:

    Marte whiffs to end the inning. At least the perfect game is gone…..

  481. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  482. theplanisworking says:

    To think, we could have drafted Wacha instead of Appel.
    I know hindsight is 20/20, but………

  483. Steelag70 says:

    I’m telling you…Wacha has it going…just like he did his lat time out….1 hit allowed in his last 14 + innings…

  484. Naje says:

    Lots more than that to get upset about. Not as if the contact hitter was going to put the ball in the gap. Plus, you put a pinch hitter in the spot after Martin, and allow Mercer to turn over the lineup next time up.

  485. Steelag70 says:

    Wacah was coming off of an arm injury….that’s why he fell….

  486. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Positive spin:

    This inning, the perfect-o is gone.
    Next inning, the no-no (by More-no?)
    8th inning, shut out gone.
    9th inning, victory (If it doesn’t happen in the 8th)

  487. Patrick(ri) says:

    Marte is not ready for this level of pitching. What does he have 2 hits? Walker is worse, I guess, though he was my pick to break out and hit this kid. Alas, he is too good.

  488. Steelag70 says:

    Get ready folks….Wainwright is coming up on Weds…

  489. cmat0829 says:

    you go for the gametying HR when you are assured of having that in play. If you pinchit Mercer and he hits into DP, opportunity is gone.

  490. theplanisworking says:

    Still, to dream……

  491. cmat0829 says:

    werent you one of the folks who said series was over after game 1? if so, save your predictions. if not, then carry on.

  492. florida steeler says:

    Wacha is very, very good. Batters need to step out on him. His rhythm is very fast.

  493. Steelag70 says:

    Should have known this team wouldn’t be able to put the Cards away…had that problem doing that the last two months of the season…

  494. Parrothead01 says:

    Not even close to first game. Hell I flew from Boca raton, Florida to attend yesterday’s game. I know it happens, but seems to happen more frequently with Morton and A.J. They are pitching well then lose their control, walk lead off hitter and bad things happen.

  495. florida steeler says:

    He is entitled to his opinion. Let’s face it–Bucs in trouble with Wainwright.

  496. Steelag70 says:

    I was hoping they would draft him that year….

  497. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Pretty sure you nailed it..

  498. Steelag70 says:

    cmat…just going by what I see in this game….Wacha is crusing…Buccos aren’t even close…

  499. cmat0829 says:

    just sayin glad Justin is in our bullpen for the foreseeable future. Great stuff.

    time for Walker to get the first hit, a lined double down the right field line. make it happen.

  500. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You could say that about everyone today…not just those 2.

  501. Karen22 says:

    Three more shots…Ya never know.

    We’ve got “IT!”

  502. Jandy says:

    Well last I heard a baseball game is 9 innings

  503. florida steeler says:

    He will probably hit it to the first baseman. That is all he has been doing. Hope I am dead wrong.

  504. cmat0829 says:

    yes, he is entitled to any opinion he wants… the opinion of the “series is over’ after game 1, and now to pop back up with this opinion.

    glad they actually play the game and dont just go with opinions.

  505. Dom says:

    Just 75 pitches for Wacha

  506. Steelag70 says:

    Won’t do any good without actually HITTING the baseball…lol.

  507. cmat0829 says:

    ok, i prefer to watch the last 3 atabats just for shitz and gigs.

  508. theplanisworking says:

    I cant count that high, so I will take your word for it………… ;)

  509. Jandy says:

    Time for a hero to step up

  510. NMR says:

    Give him credit.

    Plenty have gone to the second baseman.

  511. NMR says:

    Jeanmar? Is that you?

  512. Naje says:

    My Lord, Holliday is just a train wreck of an outfielder.

  513. Steelag70 says:

    So far today though, Wacha has “IT!”….

  514. OldSoldier21 says:

    Crowd is out of it — 6 outs away from seeing their beloved team no hit in a post season game…..

  515. Steelag70 says:

    Yeah, but he’s in there for his bat….

  516. Naje says:

    Just being realistic: this is a no-hitter. And it’s not even going to be close.

    Sorry to write that, but this guy is having a phenomenal day.

  517. Barb says:

    I will never complain about Tim Neverette again. I will take him over the guy who is with Stockton.

  518. cmat0829 says:

    well crap. i’m starting to think like steelag and florida steeler… lights are dimming on NLCS clinch today…. still gonna watch the game though.

  519. Dave G says:

    Got my TV signal back.

    Not sure I want it right now.

  520. Steelag70 says:

    I give credit to Wacha, but how embarrassing to be no-hit in the postseason, let alone at home…

  521. Naje says:

    I know that. Was merely commenting on how bad an outfielder he is.

    When you hit over .400 with RISP, you can be terrible in the field and get away with it.

  522. Steelag70 says:

    At this point, let’s just break up the no-no…

  523. NMR says:

    I’m oddly confident in that as well.

    K’s have dropped, but balls are right at people.

  524. Jandy says:

    Shame on them!

  525. cmat0829 says:

    i was hoping they’d draft Fernandez and Harvey too.

  526. Naje says:

    Nothing to be embarrassed about for our bats… this is an all-time performance. I mean, this guy is untouchable. I can count two, maybe three hits that were hittable. One was the first pitch to Jones, right after Wacha threw four straight balls. And honestly, can’t think of another one…maybe one to Marte in his first or second at bat, but that’s it.

  527. Naje says:

    two or three pitches that were hittable…that is.

  528. Steelag70 says:

    Sure hope this isn’t the last home game of the season

  529. The Gunner says:

    The big guns (Byrd, Alvarez, & Martin) are coming up for the Bucs in the bottom of the 8th. Wilson is bringing his A game today.

  530. Steelag70 says:

    Still embarrassing…

  531. NMR says:

    Who am I kidding.

  532. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Very, very bad……he better get a 1B glove in the offseason.

  533. The Gunner says:

    Be thankful we don’t have Ernie Johnson & company calling the game.

  534. Jandy says:

    Zactly Gunner. Only takes one hit to get things going

  535. Steelag70 says:

    So the Cards go a ll season without a HR at PNC, then have two in the last two games…

  536. Naje says:

    Only two hours to play 7 and a 1/2 innings…and that’s with 3 minute breaks after every at bat.

    That’s some kind of great pitching all the way around.

  537. cmat0829 says:

    2014 note: Bucs have TWO potential closers in Wilson and Watson if they choose to be aggressive there…. I for one think Melancon is best as set up guy and I lean toward keeping Grilli in the role but I’d be definitely making plans to turn it over to Justin or Tony…. what a great position to be in.

  538. Naje says:

    Bucs have been huge late in games all year… 8th inning in particular. Let’s get some boys!

  539. Chuck H says:

    Another no-name pitcher that the Pirates can’t hit. This is the one game in five, where the
    Bucs can’t seem to be able to even get a hit. Cy Young for Wacha-Wacha-Do??? Bucs
    would be more patient at the plate, but the plate umpire sucks, calling many strikes, balls
    for the Cards

  540. The Gunner says:


    Let’s all aim our green weenies at Wacha, I don’t know what else to do!

  541. KenKopp says:

    OK. If Lunnieville puts out all positive vibes for this half inning it could be magic.

  542. Jandy says:

    Nor Cal Ryan text you brother to get the crowd back into the game!

  543. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I wouldn’t mind seeing if Justin can be stretched out for the rotation. If he can get his control in order.

  544. OldSoldier21 says:

    Yep, only two no-no’s have been accomplished in the post season. Not a list any team would want to be on the receiving end….

  545. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Ahead of you.

  546. Naje says:

    97 fastball
    77 change up
    96 fastball

    All strikes… awesome pitches. Really, nothing to be embarrassed about… not like guys are smoking the ball all over the field. This guy is having an all-time performance.

  547. cmat0829 says:

    for all the jokes in the past about downward plane (you know who you are)… Wacha is Exhibit A for downward plane. Did you see Wainright (I think it was him) motion to other Cards in the dugout why the Bucs are swinging and missing so much?

  548. Steelag70 says:

    Still is embarrassing…

  549. OldSoldier21 says:


  550. The Gunner says:

    Daydro comes thru!

  551. theplanisworking says:

    PEDRO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  552. Naje says:

    450 feet.

    Ka BOOM!!!!

  553. cmat0829 says:

    WAKE UP PNC….PEDRO just went UPWARD PLANE on that downward plane fastball

  554. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  555. Barb says:


  556. Brandie says:


  557. OldSoldier21 says:

    No more no-no, no more shut out. SWEET! LETS GO BUCS!!!!!!!!

  558. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Monday, October 8, 1956
    Don Larsen throws a perfect game against the Brooklyn Dodgers
    Brooklyn wins the next game.

    Wednesday, October 6, 2010
    Roy Halladay throws a no-hitter against the Cincinnati Reds
    Philadelphia wins the next game on a 7th inning implosion by Aroldis Chapman and the Reds defense.

  559. cmat0829 says:

    oh for a back to back jack…. pnc might lift off its moorings

  560. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    And now it is a moot point!

  561. cmat0829 says:

    why matheny doesnt have rosenthal warming up i dont know. the youngster Martinez again??

  562. theplanisworking says:

    BRAND-DRO !!!!!!1

  563. cmat0829 says:

    love tabby here… give him a fastball up and outside please….

  564. Naje says:

    Stroke one the other way, Jose….

  565. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Perfect timing……

  566. OldSoldier21 says:

    And the wunderkind gets the HOOK!

  567. Barb says:

    Brandicita How are ya dear senora?

  568. cmat0829 says:

    interesting thought. he seems so very good in the bullpen role… i know he’s been a starter in the past, but bucs seem to have plenty of starter depth, and we all see how important the bullpen is.

  569. Naje says:

    Mentioned early in the game that if he’s not careful to Alvarez that he’s going to crush one and man, that was hammered.

  570. Jandy says:

    There now that’s better :)

  571. Steelag70 says:

    Let’s go Bucs!!

  572. NMR says:

    Oddly enough, I’d like to see lunchbox here.

  573. Steelag70 says:

    I gladly admit that I was wrong about this game!!

  574. cmat0829 says:

    quick hook, right call, but oh how much it would suck for wacha for martinez to give up a go ahead HR right now….

  575. Naje says:

    Alvarez: first five playoff games of career… a home run in each one. May be a MLB record.

  576. NMR says:

    That was exactly why he gets the green light in a 3-0 count.

  577. cmat0829 says:

    ok i’ll second guess matheny, since doing it to Hurdle is boring…. why not Rosenthal the closer here? big game…

  578. KJX says:

    Let’s do it Buccos!!!!

  579. Bizrow says:

    Ok, boys, its up to you, Beat Em Bucs

    Go like 60

  580. Jandy says:

    <3 ya sistah!

  581. cmat0829 says:

    just a liner to right tabby…dont get greedy

  582. OldSoldier21 says:

    All they needed was a reason. Enter Mr. Alvarez! ;)

  583. Bizrow says:

    I thought Musica or some such fellow was their closer?

    Probably that old start off the inning clean thing

  584. NMR says:

    I’d rather see Pimentel given the chance. 3 pitches and what not.

  585. OldSoldier21 says:

    Harrison thrown out stealing. :(

  586. cmat0829 says:

    OUCH! harrison started his slide way too early…….. way too early……

  587. Naje says:

    Slid a bit too soon… got stuck in the mud.

  588. Steelag70 says:

    Mujica was demoted in Sept….or he was injured…haha.

  589. NMR says:

    He fell apart in September. Almost left off the roster.

  590. cmat0829 says:

    no mujica was replaced by rosenthal

  591. Bizrow says:


  592. theplanisworking says:

    What the heck was that slide?
    He looked like Urkel there………….

    and the inning is over :(

  593. Steelag70 says:

    That sucks….

  594. Steelag70 says:


  595. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  596. Bizrow says:

    Ok, down one, get them out, then throw the top of the order at them.

    This ain’t over

  597. Steelag70 says:

    Oh well….

  598. NMR says:

    Hate that call.

    Cannot give away outs.

  599. cmat0829 says:

    wow, not a fan of that move to hit and run Tabata and Harrison…. I can see the aggressiveness with Mercer up next and wanting to ride the momentum but it really gives the Cards a way to get out of trouble

  600. OldSoldier21 says:

    Should have called for a time-out like Stargell. Cause he was out by a good margin, just like Pops was. ;)

  601. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Stealing there makes sense, but from the sounds of the things, JHay pulled off his Willie Mays Hayes impersonation.

  602. KJX says:


  603. cmat0829 says:

    i think its close if harrison actually slides correctly… he was too anxious, stumbled somewhat and went into a slowwwwwwww slide.

    I kinda liked tabby hitting with a runner on 1st and a big hole to right field open…take your chances… tabby seemed to forget the ‘hit the other way’ thing that at bat though, pull all the way…. ugh.

  604. Jandy says:

    That’s what I said ^^ there!

  605. KJX says:

    nm didnt catch martin got PH for

  606. cmat0829 says:

    pinchran for Martin, he’s the backup catcher…. unless you’d rather see Gaby Sanchez in an emergency role?

  607. Steelag70 says:

    Oh well….who’s starting on Weds?

  608. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    so it was a hit and run?

  609. KJX says:

    no…like I said. I missed martin getting PH for…

  610. Steelag70 says:

    At least we didn’t get no-hit today…. :)

  611. cmat0829 says:

    ok, let’s call it now… Pittsburgh’s own Neil Walker with a Walk-off to bury the Cards and to send them — and a deserving Wacha — into the offseason.

    Headline in the Trib:

    Walker’s walk-off bests Wacha, Bucs advance to NLCS!!

  612. Naje says:

    Don’t think that was a straight steal for Harrison… looked like it could have been a hit and run, but it was a little inside and Tabata couldn’t get an inside-out swing to go the other way. Tough break.

    But Mercer/Marte/Walker/Cutch… I like our chances in the 9th.

  613. florida steeler says:

    And the only difference–Morton and his walks!!!!

  614. Naje says:

    I like that.

  615. cmat0829 says:

    Bucs haven’t announced it; CH said he wouldn’t announce it until he needed to. My gut says AJ. Cole ready with short leash. But who knows? They haven’t announced it yet and maybe they haven’t because Cole is the pick.

  616. florida steeler says:

    Walker has done-NOTHING

  617. Bizrow says:

    I just want to see Cutch up there, one more time today

  618. Naje says:

    Ride the momentum of that great play from Alvarez…

  619. cmat0829 says:

    Bucs had done nothing today until Pedro launched one toward the river. And that meant NOTHING. Walker Walks-Off Cards…let’s go bucs!

  620. cmat0829 says:

    yep blame this on Morton… good call by you.

  621. Jandy says:

    Next hero please step up!

  622. OldSoldier21 says:

    Well, it comes down to this to win it at home or go to St. Louis for a do or die game 5……

  623. KJX says:

    Drawing it up…cause hey..what the heck…

    Mercer grounds out
    Marte singles
    Walker sac bunt
    Cutch HR

  624. cmat0829 says:

    tabby swung at the pitch, and I think I saw harrison glance in but won’t know until they ask Clint.

  625. cmat0829 says:

    wouldnt go that way b/c Cards would walk Cutch I’d think.

  626. Dom says:

    Let’s go bucs

  627. Bizrow says:

    Rosenthal throws gas, doesn’t he?

    Thats our kind of pitcher

    Play for the W Clint

  628. NMR says:

    Absolutely hate that call.

    Desperation move when it wasn’t needed.

    Too much has to work out just right to make it worth the risk.

  629. Brandie says:

    Gonna finish this game come what may then off to the store! Greetings my buddies!

  630. KJX says:

    you just like raining on my parade don’t you?

  631. Dom says:

    One out

  632. Brandie says:

    Hey there Big Kipper!

  633. Dom says:

    So close on the bunt attempr

  634. Brandie says:

    Should stay Kopper!

  635. Jandy says:

    Win or lose our boys don’t quit. We can’t quit on them

  636. theplanisworking says:

    Or sit on them……… ;)

  637. Dom says:

    Full count!

  638. Dom says:

    Two outs

  639. Jandy says:


  640. cmat0829 says:

    wow, would YOU pitch to Cutch?

  641. NMR says:

    Does Cutch get a fastball to hit?

  642. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I didnt realize it was a hit n run. Dont like it either. Especially with Molina back there.

  643. Dom says:

    The winning run is at the plate!

  644. OldSoldier21 says:

    Walker walks a MVP candidate strides to the plate……

  645. cmat0829 says:

    We need some IT right here…. IT IT IT IT IT IT

  646. cmat0829 says:

    no your parade is here now…

  647. NMR says:

    And a rookie reliever you’ve already lit up.

  648. Naje says:

    Rosenthal and Wacha both are borderline quick-pitching… Rosie’s rushing… hope he gives Cutch a nice one to crush.

  649. cmat0829 says:

    its gonna come down to More-no folks…

  650. NMR says:

    Morneau’s redemptive moment approaches…

  651. Dom says:

    3-0 on cutch

  652. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I didn’t know Rosenthal had anything but a FB.

    I say no.

  653. cmat0829 says:

    wow, he gives Cutch a 3-0 strike…wow

  654. theplanisworking says:



  655. Dom says:

    We’re going to a game five.

  656. theplanisworking says:

    CRAP !!

  657. Jandy says:

    Nice try boys!

  658. OldSoldier21 says:

    Cutch pops – Bucs lose. Wednesday winner take all match up. This is not the route I would have chosen…..

  659. Naje says:

    Now Cole goes out and does the same thing at St. Louis… go get’em boys…!

  660. Bizrow says:


    We’ll we will just have to beat them in St Looie

  661. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    3-1 count and flies out to 2B?

    Well, it was exactly who you want up in that situation.

    Move on to STL.

  662. Jandy says:

    Gettin some dinner…later Loonies

  663. NMR says:

    Looks like he chased, too.

  664. Naje says:

    NMR…do you give Cutch the green light on 3-0 in that situation?

  665. OldSoldier21 says:

    I remember saying that same thing in 1990, 1991 and 1992. :(

  666. florida steeler says:

    You got your wish. pfft.

  667. NMR says:

    With Morneau up next? Absolutely.

  668. cmat0829 says:

    wow, Rosenthal battles back after going 3-0 on Cutch. SHOCKED he gave Cutch hittable pitches after that…. well, that was a great ballgame, no matter how you slice it. 4 total hits. 2 HRs. that’s playoff baseball.

    Cards still alive because Michael Wacha came up huge.

    Bucs need to battle on Wednesday and I’m sure they will.

  669. toochca says:

    How long does Clint wait until announcing Gerritt Cole as the Game 5 starter?

  670. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  671. Milo Hamilton says:

    Allan James Burnett – come on down.

  672. NMR says:

    Granted I do it with the expectation he uses a Joey Votto-like approach.

  673. Drew71 says:

    Dejan left off the first two letters of his special word of the day.

  674. Naje says:

    Think he had it? I think Cutch was taking all the way… shame, too, because that was the pitch I could just see him driving to deep left field.

    That last pitch was on the outer-third…a strike, but not one he could handle too well. Tough game.

  675. florida steeler says:

    Great playoff game.

  676. Steelag70 says:

    Wasted opportunity folks..Wainwright’s got us on Weds….another series just like ’91….unbelievable..)

  677. NMR says:

    That presumptive thought process leads to my approach.

    Cutch clearly felt the need to come through, or else I’d give him enough credit to know the 99 on the black is not a hitter’s pitch(3-1 count).

    If you’re gonna try and do it yourself, which Cutch should, then may as well not eliminate the best pitch to do it.

  678. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    definetly playoff baseball…wish I could’ve watched it.

    Shame they couldn’t come through. Morton pitched his game. One mistake to Holiday, 2 runs should’ve been enough.

    Let’s not forget what a great job the BP did as well.

    Wacha just too much today.

    Hat, tipped.

  679. KenKopp says:

    Sorry so late with a reply Nicknamer. Was into the game. That was fun. Could have been a whole lot more fun, but still more fun than I’ve had this late into October in a long time.

    Hope all is as good as can be with your family kid.

  680. The difference in this game was simple…
    Morton gave up a walk and then a HR. Wacha gave up a HR then a walk…

  681. 21sthebest says:

    Which odds do you think are best NMR?

    1. Cutch homers
    2. Cutch gets a double to score Walker
    3. Morneau singles

  682. Dom says:

    Any predictions for game five?

    I think since the Cards have the momentum and Wainwright on the mound, they’ll finish us off.

  683. OldSoldier21 says:

    The way Beltran hits in the post-season, that was not a bad walk. Charlie did his job. Pedro made it more exciting than it looked like it was going to be…..

  684. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    You just CAN’T win a playoff game with one hit (though it was an HR).
    You just can’t, can’t, can’t!
    The Pirates have had this problem all year….Making heroes out of ordinary pitchers.
    Granted Wacha pitched well, but the Pirates have a way of making pitchers look stupendous.
    That being said…I DON’T think they’re finished.
    I think they can win that game in St. Louis.

  685. OldSoldier21 says:

    Clint just announced Cole starting game 5………

  686. toochca says:

    These Pirates don’t do things the easy way!! Pirates will come focused and ready on Wednesday!!

  687. Dom says:

    I thought he was going to go with AJ. I like this decision.

  688. Milo Hamilton says:

    Gerrit Cole starts Wednesday – official.

  689. Steelag70 says:

    I agree Dom….Wainwright has our number…

  690. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    See ya next spring then…..

    Always insightful.

  691. Naje says:

    Ordinary pitchers? Come on, DB, that guy is some kind of special. At least he was today. He was painting the outer edge of the black with 97mph smoke. And then following it up with 77mph changeup.

    Wacha was giving an all-time performance today. Jones had one pitch to hit (first pitch) and Marte may have had one early in the game. Other than that, his pitches had a lot of movement and pinpoint location. He was nearly unhittable.

    The Bucs had three or four pitches to hit and Pedro deposited one of them 450 feet away. No shame in this loss. Guy was outstanding on the mound. Tough to take, sure… but man, Wacha was so sharp.

  692. Naje says:


    Think Wacha’s performance has Cole jacked-up a little more? Anything you can do…

  693. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You’re first 2 lines are spot on………since, ya know, they lost.

  694. cmat0829 says:

    Love the Cole decision. Simply put, Cole is the best option to hold the Cards down and give the Bucs a chance to win in STL. And Cole, while a rookie, has more of a ‘come up big in big games’ pedigree.

    This is the passing of the baton… AJ has been the leader of this staff, and from here on, it will be Gerrit. Liriano is awesome but no doubt about it, Cole is the ace of this staff moving into next year.

    Might we see a lineup tinker from Hurdle as well? I liked his answer that ‘in this phase, and in all phases, we have to do the best we can, make the decisions to put us in the best position to win a game’.

    Last point… me thinks AJ will move on, either retire or do what he said he wouldn’t do and accept a contract to pitch elsewhere next season. If so, good for him, he’s been good for the Bucs, but I also think the Bucs are in good shape and can use that $$ to go shopping. Cole/Liriano/Morton are a nice foundation.

    Give the Bucs credit. So far, Bucs management >>>>>>> Nationals management in terms of how to handle a first playoff apperance

  695. Steelag70 says:

    Just going by what I see Ryan….Wainwright has our number and at home…

  696. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Tough call, but the right call.

    Cole is the hot hand, you play it. Its not April-September anymore.

    win or go home.

  697. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    Tinkering with the lineup. I see one change. Switch Pedro and More-no……….orrrrrrrr, Pedro to 4, More-no to 2 and Walker to 6.

  698. Arriba Wilver says:

    I feel better already, Dom, with you picking the Cards. ;-)

  699. likeabugonarug says:


  700. Naje says:

    That’s three changes, not one. Really, don’t mess with a good thing.

  701. Milo Hamilton says:

    That report is from Sanserino. Cole left the clubhouse without comment. Oh, the intrigue.

  702. Jandy says:

    Excellent observation, Rick

  703. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    technially, its 2. Moving the 3 around would be one move….I thought of it as I was typing.

  704. Jandy says:

    Gonna change your prediction, Dom?

  705. DJ says:

    Cole is the right call regardless of the result. In hindsight, I like the fact that Cole never came out for the 7th so the Cards had no last crack to solve him.

    Need a few of our players to over-perform from their current under-performances. Marte and Walker would be two good places to start at the top of our order.

  706. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You also saw this over after game 1. Keen observations.

  707. DJ says:

    You’re kidding, right?

    Do you think we should even get on the plane?

    I said it when the Cards tied it late yesterday. The win will be even sweeter now.

  708. chethejet says:

    Cant see any tweaks except Mercer or Martin maybe hitting second and drop Walker perhaps. AJ is been a great find for the Bucs and will be fine as he moves on or retires. Assuming Cole, Francisco, Morton, Wandy ,if healthy, and maybe Locke will still be very good rotation. AJ, Barmas,Jones, G Sanchez, and Jeff P out all year save approx 22 million. Raises to Cutch, Grilli, Francisco, Tabata, Martin leave about 8 million to sign Pedro, Walker, Morton. So getting a First baseman through a trade and or resigning Byrd will raise the payroll. Pirates have more than enough room to do that if AJ isn’t back.

  709. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I clearly stated Wacha pitched well.
    I’m just pointing out that the Pirates have made many pitchers look good this year in certain games.
    I’m in no way insinuating that the Pirates were shamed in the loss.
    But….Their inability to get to pitchers has been one of their biggest weaknesses this year.
    Again…I DON’T think they’re finished.

  710. Arriba Wilver says:

    Losing to the Cards 2-1, while disappointing, is no embarrassment.

  711. Thundercrack says:

    I’ll tell you what. No way Brandon Inge or John McDonald get thrown out trying to steal second.

  712. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I think the bigger question for Wednesday is if the PIrates can get to Wainright more than they did in Game 1, and more than they got to Wacha today.
    If they can’t, the starter for them is a moot point.
    You can’t expect guys to pitch shutouts.

  713. Milo Hamilton says:

    Need to play Tabata in LF Wednesday. 1.099 career OPS against Wainwright.

  714. theplanisworking says:

    You are correct.
    Pirates have made ordinary pitchers look superb all year.
    But none of that matters now!

    Have to win behind Cole Wednesday.

  715. Thundercrack says:

    I would still rather have Cole/Liriano/Morton/AJ for one more season

  716. Thundercrack says:


  717. theplanisworking says:

    This is what we have waited 21 years for……………. an elimination game in the playoffs.
    Like Daq said above, the pitcher doesnt matter if we cant get to Wainright.

    This team has overachieved all year.
    We need to do it one more game.

  718. Adam Perry says:

    Hurdle’s management kills me. KILLS me. Refuses to move Alvarez or Byrd to cleanup, despite Morneau driving in no runs. Ever. Refuses to warm up anyone after Morton struggled through the fourth, or even after the leadoff four-pitch walk to start the fifth. Refuses to believe Josh Harrison, a borderline major-leaguer, isn’t Rickey Henderson.

  719. 21sthebest says:

    Mercer’s OPS is 2.333. :-)

  720. Milo Hamilton says:

    He can play too.

  721. DJ says:

    Who said anything about Cole pitching a shutout?

    I’m counting on us scoring some runs.

  722. Thundercrack says:

    I didn’t see most of the game – followed the gamecast until the last 2 innings.

    But in the fourth Morton faced 4 batters, and 5 batters in the 5th. And he didn’t allow any runs in either inning. Are you saying that Hurdle should have had someone warming up during those innings or after that innings?

  723. Dom says:

    Yeah, I think we might as well try. It’s worth a shot.

  724. Thundercrack says:

    I’ve been waiting for a sweep by the Pirates in the playoffs.

  725. 21sthebest says:


  726. Arriba Wilver says:

    Criticizing Hurdle’s management after this game kills me, KILLS me.

    Who were they going to hit in? Charlie gave up 2 runs.

    Kills me.

  727. Thundercrack says:

    Wait for it AW…wait for it……

  728. Brandie says:

    This is not over by a long truck. I wish they would have gotten the job done at home, alas, that was not meant to be.

    With that said….Hop on Board The Cole Train, Roscoe P. Cole Train!


  729. 21sthebest says:

    October win tracker?

    Pirates – 3
    Steelers – 0

  730. theplanisworking says:

    Evening Muppet.
    Hope you R doing well.

    See you in da morning…………. if you arent going to be on here.

  731. theplanisworking says:

    I have been critical of Hurdle this year on occassion, but if anyone criticizes him this postseason, then that person’s baseball IQ must be questioned.

    Hi Frank. :)

  732. Pucknutz says:

    “Wacha was so sharp”
    You betcha he was !!!

  733. Thundercrack says:

    That’s not the response I expected!!!!


  734. Thundercrack says:

    I do think DK questioned Hurdle’s decision about leaving AJ in too long.

  735. theplanisworking says:

    I have always maintained I both critcize and compliment when appropriate. Clint has done a good, and bad job all year. Being he led them to 94 wins, and this far in the playoffs………… obviously the good outweighs the bad.

    But in this postseason, he has done a terrific job (except for one thing in Game One), so therefore I feel criticism of him is now unwarranted.

    Just my .01 cent.

  736. JohninOshkosh says:

    Stupid Pirates.

    The FO just wanted to make sure Dejan had to get back on a plane.

  737. Pucknutz says:

    Playoff baseball at it finest!
    Pitchers duel all the way!
    Sets up the sudden death game 5!
    It don’t get no better than this!

    Actually ,I HATE do or die deciding games. My old heart is under tooooo much of a strain.
    But….. it is sooo coool to have “real” baseball as the leaves start to fall!!

    Beat em Bucs!

  738. Pucknutz says:

    Not to worry,
    Those frequent flyer miles will give him an extra trip to the Peg!!!

  739. Arriba Wilver says:

    Great point.

  740. Reading says:

    The Pirates beat St. Louis in Busch on Wednesday devastating the so-called “best fans in America.” La Russa demon exorcised. The Pirates then beat Atlanta to win pennant. 1992 demon exorcised. The Pirates then beat Boston to bring home flag number 6. 1903 World Series loss demon exorcised. It’s all good. Hey, it’s never easy being a Pirates fan.

  741. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    What difference does that make?
    Strange and unusual how some feel this is necessary.

  742. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    October win tracker?
    What difference does that make?
    Strange and unusual how some feel this is necessary.

  743. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Well….I guarantee you one thing….Whomever wins on Wednesday is headed west, not towards the southeast.

  744. 21sthebest says:

    It’s not necessary. I’m just goofing around.

  745. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    The funny thing is….The Steelers haven’t even played in October.

  746. Brandie says:

    Good night Plan. I got incredibly busy at work today. :(

  747. DJ says:

    Yeah, what the hell, right?

  748. Pucknutz says:

    I am assuming you are referring to Readings post, if not I am lost.
    If so, Reading , I agree “What difference does that make?”

    “Strange and unusual how some feel this is necessary”
    No offence, but many baseball fanatics really get into some of this old spooky “demon exorcise ism ” type stuff.
    That said … baseball has the tempo ,rhythm and plethora of stats that allows the extreme “navel gazing”.
    Is it strange and unusual ? Nah… Just part of being a Fan- addict! LOL

  749. Steelag70 says:

    Brandie…just don’t see how we get to Wainwright on Weds…guy is clutch at home…especially against the Buccos…this was a killer loss today..

  750. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I accidentally posted down here in regards to the “October win tracker” that pointed out the Steelers had zero wins in October in comparison to the Pirates.
    Sorry about that…..

  751. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’m also not ready to annoint Wacha as some top notch pitcher at this point in time.
    The guy was barely heard from till he almost no-hitted the Nats a couple of weeks ago.

  752. 21sthebest says:

    That’s the joke.

  753. Arriba Wilver says:

    And that was a joke, strange and unusual as that may seem.

  754. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ve heard so much criticism of Hurdle in the last couple hours. About the whole Harrison thing. First of all, it looked like a hit & run to me. And even if it was a straight steal, so what. Did you want him anchored to 1st base until 4 more guys walked ? Or we got 2 hits in a row ? Did you see the game ?

    And the ridiculous charge of leaving Morton in too long ? Like I said, ridiculous.

  755. Reading says:

    You’re probably right. We can right the 1974 wrong then.

  756. SJB says:

    Cards win game 5 in St. Louis. Not even a close game. I knew if they lost this game it would be over. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But hey, it was nice while it lasted.

  757. florida steeler says:

    James Loney, first baseman in Tampa would be a great fit.

  758. Reading says:

    I’m just trying to look for a silver lining in an otherwise suck day. Yeah, I hope they beat the hell out of St. Louis on Wednesday. Then, they can beat the hell out if the Dodgers/Braves. Then the Ref Sox, too. Avenge past post-season losses. That’s what ut’s all about.

  759. casinoryan says:

    They played in Sept though

  760. theplanisworking says:

    Hurdle has done nothing to deserve criticism.
    Harrison looked like Urkel on that slide. How can that be blamed on Hurdle?
    Charlie pitched a good game……….. he made one mistake with Holliday. Again, how is that Hurdle’s fault.

    Milo, is this criticism coming from media types, or here on the blog.

    Either way, its seems to be a huge head shaker…………

  761. Arriba Wilver says:

    My hero. :-)

  762. Milo Hamilton says:

    Mostly from people I’ve talked to. What a long frustrating day, I’m so glad to finally be home.

  763. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    All this talk of righting wrongs and exercising demons seems foolish to me.
    What happened 3 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago and 40 years ago is the past.

    All that matters at this point is who does the most with the 27 outs they are given on Wednesday.
    I don’t care about anything else other than that.

    We all can make predictions and prognostications,
    but last time I checked no one on here has access to a 1982 DeLorean DMC-12.

    Past history tells us that with Wainwright pitching and home-filed advantage, the Cardinals will have the upper hand.
    Past history is just that, past history.

    THIS is why they play the game.
    Because the ending has yet to be scripted.

    One way or another, history will be made beginning at 5:07pm on Wednesday.
    27 outs to work with, who will be the hero this time?

  764. JohninOshkosh says:

    Wonder if the Red Sox blogs are complaining about decision to keep Clay Bucholz in the game.

    Really like Mattingly trotting out Clayton Kershaw tonight for his first time ever start on three days rest. Dodgers have to end this tonight and not have to fly back east for a decisive game. But, even if they have to, because of Kershaw pitching tonight, they will have Greinke on full rest in the event of a loss tonight.

    Kershaw is one of my favorite pitchers to watch. Should be interesting.

  765. theplanisworking says:

    Hang in there.

  766. Jandy says:

    Whatever happens, win or lose Wednesday, Clint Hurdle and every Pittsburgh Pirate can hold their head high for bringing us, the fans, this wonderful, magical season. I won’t be a basher if they don’t advance any further. I’m appreciative of what this team has accomplished this season. Anyone who chooses to lay blame or put them down isn’t worthy of being a fan.
    :steps off soap box:

  767. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m guessing if the Dodgers win tonight they’ll move the Buccos to 8:00.

  768. theplanisworking says:

    Chronicles From The Convent…….. featuring Jandy. :)

  769. JohninOshkosh says:

    That’s correct.

  770. Steelag70 says:

    That is the rumor Milo.

  771. Jandy says:

    And who will be supporting this team and cheering them on?

  772. Steelag70 says:

    Cards are 7-1 in elimination games….Wainwright on the mound….uggghhh

  773. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Count me in

  774. Steelag70 says:

    This is why the Cardinals are the Cardinals….

  775. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    7-1 means it can be done.
    It means it has been done.

    Why not us?
    Why not now?

  776. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just watched Nicole “Snooky” Polizzi dance the jive to Toni Basil’s “Mickey.”

    It’s a life in full.

  777. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Because they forced a game 5?

  778. Jandy says:

    I’m a bit testy because it’s so not cool to elinimate our guys before they even play the game, Hipposter. And to trash this guy or that guy because we lost – BY ONE FRIGGIN RUN – is just ridiculous. I’m just as disappointed as the next fan that we lost, but dammit, it was a close game and it went right down to the last out. Our boys tried. They tried hard.

  779. Steelag70 says:

    One word: Wainwright

  780. Steelag70 says:

    Yes, and because they know how to close out teams in the playoffs when they have an advantage…

  781. Jandy says:

    And me too.
    Who else?

  782. Jandy says:

    I counter that with one word:

  783. Jandy says:

    So then, my friend, you’re quitting on the Buccos?

  784. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    4 words: Fifty Seven Career Losses

    Who is to say Wednesday isn’t #58

  785. theplanisworking says:

    Just dont kick me, please.

  786. theplanisworking says:

    Raises hand while hiding in Pond………

  787. Jandy says:


  788. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Did they close out the Royals in 1985?
    Did they close out the Twins in 1987?
    Did they close out the Braves in 1996?
    Did they close out the Diamondbacks in 2001?
    Did they close out the Giants in 2012?

  789. Jandy says:

    Come out and greet your fellow loyal fans silly Hippo

  790. theplanisworking says:

    Not when we have the Raging Nun on the loose. ;)

    I am off to early bed anyway.
    See you tomorrow.

  791. Jandy says:

    That’s why we play the games!

  792. Steelag70 says:

    It’s not Cole I am concerned with…it’s our offense vs Wainwright…guy is money in the playoffs…

  793. Steelag70 says:

    I’m not quitting on anyone. I will be here to cheer them on. I am just sharing my thoughts and opinions…that’s all.

  794. Jandy says:

    Did she have ears and a tail???

  795. Steelag70 says:

    Look…I hope I am completely wrong, I truly do….just going by what I have seen with this team against Wainwright in St Louis….

  796. Jandy says:

    And Cole has been money in the Playoffs. He’s hammered the opponent’s offense. He’s our wild card.

  797. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    October 12, 2012
    Game 5 NLDS
    Cardinals vs. Nationals

    Adam Wainwright

    2.1 Innings Pitched
    7 Hits
    6 Runs
    6 Earned Runs
    0 Walks
    5 K’s
    3 Home-Runs Allowed
    7.88 ERA

  798. Jandy says:

    Hopefully our Ace in the Hole

  799. Steelag70 says:

    I agree…..Cole is not the problem I see….again, it’s our offense vs. Wainwright….

  800. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Since everyone on here seems to be keen on past history tonight, I offer you this little nugget from the not-so-distant past…..

    October 12, 2012
    Game 5 NLDS
    Cardinals vs. Nationals

    Adam Wainwright

    2.1 Innings Pitched
    7 Hits
    6 Runs
    6 Earned Runs
    0 Walks
    5 K’s
    3 Home-Runs Allowed
    7.88 ERA

  801. Jandy says:

    he’s human. He CAN be beat

  802. Steelag70 says:

    That’s vs the Nats…I am going by the BUCCO offense against him….

  803. Jandy says:

    He CAN be beat…

  804. Steelag70 says:

    Again…that was against the Nats…they may have better history against him. All I can do is go by what the Buccos have done and did against him in Game 1….

  805. Arriba Wilver says:

    Uh, history doesn’t matter, but Cards won that game.

  806. Jandy says:

    don’t mean to pick on you, Steel. I just get frustrated when we’re posted with a loss before we even play the game.

  807. Steelag70 says:

    I’ve never said he can’t…just not sure he will be. That’s all I have said….just my opinion. I am not trying to start any wars or anything of the sort…..

  808. Jandy says:


  809. Steelag70 says:

    There is also a method to my madness maybe…I predicted doom and gloom after game 1 and it didn’t happen…I am hoping it happens here…

  810. Jandy says:

    Sweet Hippo dreams :*

  811. Jandy says:

    No way my friend! Silly Hippo!

  812. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    He dominated the Nats in Game 1 of that series.
    Left with the lead.
    Had 10 K’s through 5.2 innings.

    Career Stats against the Nationals
    12 Games
    6 Wins
    3 Losses
    3.17 ERA

    Career Stats against the Pirates
    22 Games
    9 Wins
    4 Losses
    4.81 ERA

  813. Karen22 says:


    I am going into this one as I did the Wild Card. I am holding my head up high regardless of the outcome. This team has revived a DEAD baseball town. I am grateful.

    And I LOVE baseball!!

  814. Karen22 says:


  815. Arriba Wilver says:

    Somehow light blue Pom Poms don’t seem as intimidating as black towels.

  816. Jandy says:

    And it’s their offense against Cole

  817. Karen22 says:


    We’re with you and we THANK you!!

    DO IT….your time is NO!!

  818. Chuck H says:

    Brandie, I agree-Cole should start game 5. He is way above the others away from home,
    and he would be ready to go with off days and travel. A.J. disappoints everyone with his lack of command. I believe Cole will get it done. I don’t know why the Bucs couldn’t hit
    the no-name rookie, Wacha-Wacha-Do. They seem to have trouble with rookie pitchers.
    One more chance, Bucs-GO!!!

  819. Milo Hamilton says:

    You forgot the Tigers in 1968.

  820. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    With Wainwright pitching and home-field advantage the Cardinals SHOULD win.
    Doesn’t mean they will.

    Pedro SHOULD have made an out in the 8th inning of Game 3.
    Instead he got us the lead.

    Funny things happen in the playoffs.

  821. Jandy says:

    AW, Playoffs was making the point that Wainwright literally stunk. It could happen again. He’s human.

  822. Karen22 says:


    Grrrr…EDIT BUTTON!!

  823. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Good one!

  824. Karen22 says:

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ;)

  825. Steelag70 says:

    Playoffs,,we can agree to disagree…I’m not trying to start anything here…just giving my opinion as everyone else….

  826. Jandy says:

    Keep sending them POSITIVE vibes :)

  827. Arriba Wilver says:

    If TB loses tonight, I’m blaming it on the Pom Poms.

    Pom Poms?

  828. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I understand completely, and there is no hostility in my replies.
    So please don’t take it as such.

    Just want you to realize that there is a decent chance the Bucs win on Wednesday.

  829. DJ says:

    Agreed, Jandy.

    But all of that said, I want to see them play without fear and without any hint of a “hey, we’ve arrived” approach. You only get so many magical seasons before the magic runs out.

    Seize the day. Seize the moment. And then go out and squeeze the life out of those two little red birds sitting atop that bat.

    Not to be melodramatic or anything.

  830. Jandy says:


  831. Jandy says:


  832. Milo Hamilton says:

    When do we get to see the Cardinals version of the decaying carcass of Freddy Garcia ?

  833. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, Jandy. I got the point. Just sticking to the facts.

    And I don’t think anyone is giving up.

  834. Steelag70 says:

    Unfortunately we already did in Game 2…Lance Lynn…

  835. Jandy says:

    The Temptress is with us!

  836. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    The Nats lost that game because the have Adam LaRoche on their roster.

    That fact is proven by science.

  837. Milo Hamilton says:

    Even he’s not that bad. :)

  838. Jandy says:

    they need our support. Not our pessimism.

  839. Arriba Wilver says:


  840. Milo Hamilton says:

    It would have to be Jake Westbrook & he’s filling the Jeff Locke role.

  841. Arriba Wilver says:

    You have me there, my friend. :-)

  842. Jandy says:

    Coulda fooled me, AW

  843. Jandy says:

    All right. Past my bed time. Night Loonies!

  844. Reading says:

    Why is it foolish? Revenge is sweet. Those teams have caused me, and the Pirates, plenty of bad times and devastation. Payback time. 110, 41, 21 years later doesn’t matter. Time to ruin some other fanbase’s post season.

  845. Arriba Wilver says:

    Boston’ really screwing up in the field in the bottom of the 8th.

    Hmmmm, black Pom Poms?

  846. The Gunner says:

    Good night Jandy

    The Bucs will win game 5 & Gerrit Cole will pitch a gem – I guarantee it!

  847. DJ says:

    Pessimism? I’m thinking if the Bucs have the right frame of mind, we got this.

  848. Milo Hamilton says:

    Houston Oilers,
    Houston Oilers,
    Houston Oilers,
    Number 1.

  849. Arriba Wilver says:

    So I guess we’ll own TB if we meet in the WS? ;-)

  850. toochca says:

    Maybe they are trying to “kick the door in” too!!

  851. toochca says:

    Into the aquarium!!

  852. Reading says:

    Tampa Bay got a walk-off blast.

  853. toochca says:

    Byun Yun Kim anyone?!

  854. JohninOshkosh says:

    Crawford with two solo shots.

    2-0 Dodgers in B3.

    Game over.

  855. Milo Hamilton says:

    Some young guy ?

  856. JohninOshkosh says:

    What a remarkable franchise.

  857. JohninOshkosh says:

    Don’t see many rich people with teeth as bad as those of Freddy Garcia.

  858. toochca says:

    One in the same!!

  859. toochca says:

    Not so fast!!

  860. Reading says:

    In response to DK’s column, let me be the first to post: “What the hell we supposed to do you moron?”

  861. Ghost says:

    “You moww-ron!”

  862. Jandy says:


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