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On location: Cardinals 6, Pirates 1, NLDS Game 5

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

ST. LOUIS – Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates vs. St. Louis Cardinals, National League Division Series Game 5

Series: 2-2

Starters: RHP Gerrit Cole vs. RHP Adam Wainwright

Time: 8:07 p.m.

Site: Busch Stadium

TV, radio: TBS (national), 93.7 The Fan, ESPN Radio 970

Here’s the official live box score.


  1. Starling Marte, LF
  2. Neil Walker, 2B
  3. Andrew McCutchen, CF
  4. Justin Morneau, 1B
  5. Marlon Byrd, RF
  6. Pedro Alvarez, 3B
  7. Russell Martin, C
  8. Clint Barmes, SS
  9. Cole, P


  1. Matt Carpenter, 2B
  2. Carlos Beltran, RF
  3. Matt Holliday, LF
  4. Matt Adams, 1B
  5. Yadier Molina, C
  6. Jon Jay, CF
  7. David Freese, 3B
  8. Pete Kozma, SS
  9. Wainwright, P

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates pageRob Biertempfel, Travis Sawchik, Karen Price and I are on the scene.

Here again is the Tuesday column on why the Pirates will win today.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Dom says:

    Let’s go Bucs!

  2. Dave G says:

    + 5

  3. Jim S. says:

    + 1979, too.

  4. Arriba Wilver says:

    Need to change the site, DK. Just a nit.

  5. Jandy says:

    Bizrow says:

    October 9, 2013 at 12:29 pm

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    · 10/8/2013 10:17 PM

    I have no doubt that today, the PBC is going to win tonight.

    Karma, hidden vigorish, all of you and the guys that wear black and gold

    I am so proud of this club
    I am so happy I expect rather than hope

    Plus Drew probably bet his boss something that no lunatic deserves

    The best, no matter what, is yet to come

    Beat Em Bucs

  6. Jandy says:

    sharp, AW :)

  7. DP says:

    Great night for the Bucs is on the way. You can do it Bucs!

  8. YMDM says:

    Sorry Bucco fans, it ends tonight. Go Cards

  9. Jandy says:


    Be sure to show up here again tomorrow, friend :)

  10. Karen22 says:

    ♪♫ TAKE FIVE!! ♪♫

  11. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    If this is indeed the final game of this season, it has been a pleasure spending the last 6 months with fine lunatics.
    I am humbled each day by how many of you show up and play this silly little game.
    Your crazy little comments and unit wagers crack me up.
    From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU ALL!!


    The Window will continue throughout the duration of the playoffs.
    September and October will be combined and all winners will be announced at the conclusion of the playoffs.


    Makes my job a helluva lot easier when I don’t have to hunt to find everyone’s “wagers”

    Max “wager” is 100 units on any single line.
    All “wagers” must be in multiples of 5 units.
    Play as few or as many lines as you’d like.
    As always, this is for fun and entertainment purposes.


    Tonight’s Pick ‘Em Line
    What Will the Pirates Do in Tonight’s Game?
    Win (EVEN ODDS)
    Lose (EVEN ODDS)

    GOOD LUCK!!!

    Anything is possible if a person believes
    Mark 9:23


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  12. Playoffs by 2012 says:


  13. theplanisworking says:

    Playoffs, you need to post your recipe for Troll Soup again…………. ;)

  14. theplanisworking says:


  15. Arriba Wilver says:

    Now I’m sceered. ;-)

  16. theplanisworking says:


    Biz, you need to forward this to that jacka^% at the WSJ who said there wanst any such thing as “Bucco Nation”.

    GO BUCS!

  17. Karen22 says:

    THANK YOU, Playoffs!! The best is yet to come, and quite obviously today, WE CAN’T LOSE!! ;)

    98 (OK, 100) on the WIN!!!!!!!!!

  18. Karen22 says:

    I’m jazzed!! LOL!

  19. Jandy says:


  20. Jandy says:

    he!! yeah!

  21. Karen22 says:

    LALALALALALA!! We can’t hear you!

  22. AJS says:

    Why Barmes again? Let me guess he hits like .300 against wainright right?

    I have been an advocate of Mercer when Cole and Frankie pitch and Barmes when Morton and AJ pitch. The sinker ballers need the defense. the powere pitchers not so much.

  23. Arriba Wilver says:

    WIN for 100, Alex.

  24. theplanisworking says:

    1960. “Pirates dont belong here”.
    1971. ” Birds in 3″.
    1979. “Family This”.

    All Pirate underdog teams.
    All the “experts” said the Pirates were wasting their time showing up for the WS.

    Well, the Bucs won them all, didnt they?
    Why not now? When is now?
    NOW IS NOW !!

    See yinz in the WINNING game thread.
    Unless DK jinxes us with this birthday stuff………… ;)

  25. theplanisworking says:

    100 Cardinal Stew for Hippos on the WIN, please.

  26. theplanisworking says:


  27. Arriba Wilver says:


  28. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Ha ha. he told us.

  29. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    All in brother…

    100 on the W.

    My momentum has taken a huge slide from the first half.

    Just call me Jeff Locke. (I am left handed)

  30. Jandy says:

    100 Cole Train units on the WIN!

    GOOOO BUCS!!!!!!

  31. Jandy says:

    South Paws unite!

  32. Exactly the right lineup!!

    Game #5 projects to be low scoring. Put your best defensive lineup on the field. CAN’T CAN’T CAN’T afford giving up a 4-out inning.

    Dance wid the one dat brung ya!!!

  33. Jandy says:

    The Jazzed Tempress….has quite a ring to it LOL!

  34. Jandy says:


  35. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I would rather have Barmes behind Frankie and Morton in your scenario. AJ/Cole are more of the flyball guys, whereas Morton and Frankie are the ground ball guys.

    I honestly don’t have a problem with Barmes starting. Usually solid.

    If this team has to rely on Mercer’s offensive production to win tonight, they’re in trouble.

  36. cosmo says:

    100 cannon balls coming on the over

  37. Jandy says:

    agreed, especially the last point.

  38. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I agree. Though I was certain the order would shift around.

    No problem with Barmes there.

  39. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Birds in 3???

  40. Arriba Wilver says:

    Barmes and Marte were not no-brainers.

    Hope it works out.

  41. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  42. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Both better defensively. I do hope that Marte can control himself a little better at the plate.

    Honestly, a pitcher goes after him on the first pitch, then junks him the rest of the AB. Usually wins that battle. Unless they hang one……..

    Here’s to hanging curveballs tonight from Wainwright.

  43. Baywatch says:

    I had a feeling Cole hasn’t once been SHELLED. Went back and looked at his 19 starts: Only ONE game when he gave up as many as 4 runs, the Miami game down there that Sunday afternoon. Based on that fact alone (and there would be so many more reasons), the ball rightfully goes to him tonight. He does indeed give us our best chance to win.

    And that being said, I’m sure The Kid is having butterflies like nobody’s business!

    Interesting to think back to spring training, and his disappointment at not going north with us, then his so-so plus season at Indy, then coming up before he was really ready (according to the Bucs). From all that to Big Boy Pants – and now THE biggest game of the year… quite the strides he has made!

  44. Joey Mellons says:

    100 on the win.

  45. Jim S. says:

    Me, too!

  46. stickyweb says:

    “If this team has to rely on Mercer’s offensive production to win tonight, they’re in trouble.”

    Possibly true, but 1 run in this game could be huge. Every hit and baserunner is important. And apparently I’m in the minority, but I don’t think Barmes’ D at this point is that much better than Mercer’s. But a do or die game is the ultimate opportunity for Hurdle’s preference for vets vs. newbies.

  47. AJS says:

    The Kid? Why should Sidney Crosby be nervous tonight? Is he in the Pirates line up?

  48. Jandy says:

    See? They walk among us

  49. Jandy says:


  50. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Ya know, during this playoff period there has been a lot of discussion about the broadcasting.

    It obviously has not been that good, especially on TBS.

    A couple of names that I would like to throw out there for the carriers to try and pick up during these times for next season and beyond.

    1. Vin Scully, no brainer
    2. Duane Kuiper
    3. Mike Krukow
    4. Dick Enberg (does the Padres)
    5. Gary Thorne (always liked him on ESPN)
    6. Chip Carey (Harry Carey III)

    That’s all I can think of. Please, don’t add Jon Miller to my list. I get to hear him with the Giants and he’s just not as good as everyone makes him out to be. Though he is better than what is currently on the ballot.

  51. In monitoring Cardinal discussions, I find no one suggesting Carpenter be dropped from the leadoff spot despite being 1 – 17.

  52. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I was thinking Jason Kendall…since it is the Pirates.

  53. Karen22 says:


  54. Jim S. says:

    I read on twitter today that the batting average for bunts with no one on base is extremely high in MLB – something lilke .450. The element of surprise sometimes, beating the extreme shifts, etc. However you slice it, if you lay one down looking for a hit it often works if you can keep it in fair territory.

    Marte apparently had a .625 avg. when bunting with the bases empty on bunts put in play. So, that doesn’t take into account all the times he bunted foul and then went back to swinging away. But, still …. you gotta try it once. If he could drop one down and beat it out on Freese to start the game that would be sweet.

  55. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He has shown over the course of the year that he can hit. Just look at his average.

    I was thinking more of a change between Pedro, Byrd, and/or More-no.

    Nothing drastic.

  56. Jim S. says:

    Nice post, Bay! Cole has been so consistent all year long. Lately he has ramped it up.

  57. Joey Mellons says:

    @ Playoffs by 2012. I just want to say thank you for the time you spend running this betting pool and all the hard work you do. I had a blast betting this year and you lines always tough. Thanks again. Lets go Bucs.

  58. Jandy says:

    And..he can hit, too!

  59. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I think Marte has seemed to have tried it every AB. At least show it.

    There’s no way the Cards don’t expect that from him. Dude can fly…why shouldn’t he try?

    but it might play into their hand. At least he’ll be putting the ball in play. Never an easy play for a 3B to make, especially with his speed.

  60. Baywatch says:

    I’m with you on Jon Miller. I kinda like his voice, but it’s more the voice of someone’s father in a library study, like Ward Cleaver or somebody like that. I like Dick Stockton and was glad they had him on Sunday. And I like Bob Brenly and was glad to hear him some the other day, for our broadcast. I’m one of the odd ones that doesn’t like Scully. All the stories get to be too much for me. Believe it or not, if it’s just a Dodgers’ broadcast on our package, we turn him down and TAKE the out of synch picture with our guys on radio.

  61. Jandy says:


  62. Baywatch says:

    I figure if I’m nervous about the game, Cole’s gotta be, too! I’d be just watching the clock tick down – even if I was busy doing something!

  63. BillyBaduka says:

    Let’s go Bucs!

  64. Pucknutz says:

    Don’t even have ta think bout this one….
    100 on the win

  65. Jim S. says:

    Greg Brown
    Bob Walk
    Tim Neverett
    Steve Blass

    In no particular order. :-)

  66. BillyBaduka says:

    Fantastic song reference. If the Pirates hit the groove Brubeck found in that song, they win this for sure.

    Let’s go Bucs!

  67. Jim S. says:

    If Fox has the WS, it would be Joe Buck again.

    These St. Louis guys are all over the MLB broadcasts – Joe Buck, Tim McCarver, Jim Kaat, Bob Costas. I’m sure I even left some out. They’ve infiltrated every network. Enough already.

  68. stickyweb says:

    Bay, even if Cole is as nervous as the rest of us are, thankfully he has a focus that none of us can match, and that could be the difference tonight.

  69. Jandy says:

    Loonies, gotta get this work done…hopefully see you here this evening…

    Ride the Cole Train!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  70. Baywatch says:

    EXCEPT Blass would be at a loss on the national broadcast since he’d have to cut back on his Chamber Of Commerce greetings – birthday and anniversary wishes, etc! Hey, what about Rock Wehner, Jim!?!?

  71. Jim S. says:

    I hear you, sticky. I admit that I have gone back and forth all year on this. I do trust Barmes’ glove more than Jordy’s, but I don’t automatically assume that preventing a run is more important than adding a run.

    One guy hits better. One guy fields better. I think it is pretty much a push. But, that’s why Clint gets paid. He usually gets it right.

    On Marte vs. Tabata, I get that Tabata may hit better right now but that is far from a certain thing. Marte in LF is the best in the business and is a big upgrade over Tabata.

    BTW, I would love to see the Bucs find a way to start spraying balls into LC and RC again tonight. That was so much fun on Friday, listening to Kaat and Costas talk about how the “ball was jumping.” Anything to avoid admitting that the Cards OF has abysmal range.

  72. Jim S. says:

    Oh, I left Rock out. Yep, throw him in, too.

  73. YMDM says:

    Oh I will, dont worry :)

  74. SMC says:

    Don’t take this wrong, I’m not giving up, but if this is the end of the ride, it has been a fantastic one. I never expected this year to be so great, and it has far surpassed my expectations. I’ve enjoyed every moment logging on first thing in the morning, reading Dejan’s column, and reading all that the passionate Pirate Lunatics had to say. Thanks to all for such a fun summer, let’s hope we have more fun ahead of us.

  75. Not sure if it counts, but I lived in North Dakota for 4 years…if you think it does cross it off the list.

  76. Tom P. says:

    Playoffs, I never wagered, but thanks for your faithful contribution to the blog. I always look forward to your comments.

    So, in the spirit of resiliency, 100 Pearl Harbors on the win.

  77. Jim S. says:

    John Rooney, radio voice of the Cards, also does his share of national games on radio. I tell you, they’re everywhere. There are more St. Louis guys on national MLB broadcasts than Philly people working on football at ESPN.

  78. Baywatch says:

    I’m gonna have to put on my John Coletrain CD here in a few minutes.

  79. Everything on the WIN!!!
    ALL IN!!!!

  80. NMR says:

    This offense needs any help it can get, and Mercer’s bat is unquestionably an improvement.

  81. Baywatch says:

    Love his analysis! Walk knows pitching, and has a nice feel for the overall game. But Wehner on hitting … just nothing like it.

  82. NMR says:

    Boy Jim, sure seems like you just pointed out two similar situations, yet feel the left fielder stays because of defense.

    Has Marte saved an out, let alone a run, in five playoff games?

  83. Dom says:

    All World Series games will be on Fox.

  84. NMR says:

    Yeah, Marte’s failed to even square up bunts this series.

    Freese also has been playing him just about in line with the mound, it seems.

  85. NMR says:

    And who are their other options, Groat? Thought so.

    The Pirates, on the other hand, benched a guy with a .351 OBP over the last month of the season.

  86. kr70 says:

    100 on the win and thanks

  87. Patrick(RI) says:

    Marte vs Wainwright 1/6, 0XBH
    Tabata 6/16 for .375 BA, 1T, 1HR, 3RBI, 412 OBA, 688 SLG, 1.099 OPS

    Sure hope Marte plays good defense, tonight!

  88. cmat0829 says:

    100 on the win…. bonus points for calling a shutout?? :)

  89. NMR says:

    Said it much better than I could, SMC. Cheers!

  90. Parrothead01 says:


  91. cmat0829 says:

    TBS tried Chip and he was given the boot because he sucked royally on non-Braves games. I agree that TBS should just go with an all-star team of local broadcasters whose teams are already out of it. Would be much much better than having to endure Ernie Johnson.

    I’d even rather have John Sterling and Susan Waldmyn for sheer entertainment value than Ernie Johnson.

  92. kr70 says:

    I hope AJ doesn’t upset the team chemistry tonight.

  93. Dom says:

    I was thinking he could be used if Cole falters early. I wonder if that is still or if it ever was an option.

  94. cmat0829 says:

    I recall a few catches, especially in the last game, that I thought it was trouble and was relieved to see Marte there, but regardless the FIRST RUN he saves will be critically important, and there can be no doubt his defense is superior to Tabata.

  95. Jim S. says:

    Well, I said that Tabata may hit better now. May. He is not a better hitter than Marte normally. Marte hits for more XBH, and can steal a base. So, I don’t think I’m saying defense alone keeps Marte in my lineup.

    I don’t know that Marte has saved any runs so far in this series, but are you saying he is not a better defensive option than Tabata? He has better range, a better arm. I will say that Tabata is better than Holliday in LF. Holliday sometimes looks like he’s juggling chainsaws when he is pursuing a flyball.

    If I were managing tonight, I would have started Marte and Mercer. I thought it was subtle, but important, in Cole’s start on Friday that the Cards chose to walk Mercer and pitch to Cole. Cole singled up the middle. Teams don’t walk Barmes to get to Cole, as far as I can tell. Having him in the lineup got the Bucs a run.

  96. NMR says:

    Haha, I doubt AJ is a surprise to anybody who has been in that dugout for a week.

    He is who he is, and you can be damn sure nobody wants to win this game more than him.

  97. Patrick(RI) says:

    I think the opposite arrangement could have worked. I read somewhere that AJ has a pretty complex preparation approach.

  98. Jim S. says:

    I think Colton Wong hit about .150. Does that count as other options?

    Now, watch that guy get a bit hit tonight. :-(

  99. Dom says:

    Oh, I wonder if Liriano could be an option then.

  100. Jim S. says:

    I haven’t noticed that.

  101. Jim S. says:

    More importantly, he can throw 100. Nothing builds confidence like that.

  102. NMR says:

    He’s clearly better defensively than Tabata, but he’s also clearly worse right now at the plate. Marte K’d in 38% of his appearances coming into the playoffs, and hasn’t looked any better since.

    Just seemed interesting that you’d choose superior defense in left field, the less demanding position, and not at shortstop.

  103. Jim S. says:

    Really, I am just kidding. I am not saying any of them deserve national slots. I’m just an admitted homer who enjoys our guys.

  104. NMR says:

    Cutch is hitting .412, and has as many RBI as I do.

    How many runs has Marte cost the offense?

  105. NMR says:

    Every man but Charlie better be a damn option tonight.

  106. Jim S. says:

    Jim Bowden just tweeted that Hurdle was on his show today, and told him it was none of their business if Liriano was an option tonight. It is unclear whether Hurdle then called him a poopy face. I know I would have. :-)

    Hurdle apparently also said Liriano is fighting the flu. He has not been 100% for awhile.

  107. NMR says:

    Pete Friggin’ Kozma. :)

    Hey, I’m glad. Hopefully that buys him another regular season as the worst full time shortstop in the Majors.

  108. Jim S. says:

    Cole, maybe?

  109. NMR says:

    The Freese positioning?

  110. Jim S. says:

    But, I get your point. I think AJ has probably already gotten over whatever disappointment he felt about not starting. I think he will be very supportive of Cole, as expected.

  111. NMR says:

    Thumb wrestle for title of who want to win more!

  112. Lad 9 says:

    100 babushkas, green wienies and jolly rogers on the WIN. Thank you Playoffs. GO BUCCOS!!!!!

  113. Dom says:

    Hopefully, “none of their business” means yes and “Liriano is fighting the flu” is just a decoy to give the Cards hope that he wont be in the game tonight.

  114. Scott says:

    As a matter of fact, Barmes is a career .333 hitter against Wainwright with an OPS of 1.010 in 21 at-bats.

  115. cherokee23 says:

    Let’s go Bucs!

  116. NMR says:

    Haha, you know what they say about stinky hitters and really good pitchers in small samples, right?

  117. NMR says:

    Sorry, Jim. Lost you after “…Bowden just tweeted…”.


  118. Jim S. says:

    No way. One of AJ’s kids would distract Cole and AJ would hit him over the head with a folding chair.

  119. cherokee23 says:

    100 win

  120. 21sthebest says:

    Somebody should go get Liriano to breathe on Wainwright.

  121. Jim S. says:


  122. NMR says:

    So, who wins Worst Person of the Week…Kevin Towers for doing his best Macho Man Randy Savage impersonation or the entire Braves roster for refusing to catch Chipper Jones first pitch after he picked the Dodgers to advance?

  123. Jim S. says:

    Yep, we said that this morning. .375 is tempting. That’s why I said if Clint chose Tabata, even though that would not be my call, I would get it.

  124. Lad 9 says:

    I enjoy our guys too Jim. Not Neverett as much, but I don’t think he is anywhere near as bad as some of these guys I hear on the Extra Innings package. If that makes me a homer so be it.

  125. NMR says:

    And then rip off the Batman shirt he obviously is wearing and tweet a pic of a pose!

  126. Scott says:

    I can’t imagine seeing AJ tonight unless the game goes past 12 innings. The way he gets shelled against the Cards, he should be the last option. The bullpen has been performing well. I’d rather try to cobble together 7 innings from Gomez, Mazzaro, Watson, Wilson, Melancon and Grilli if necessary.

  127. Jim S. says:

    Yes. I guess I haven’t been watching Freese that close. Not saying he isn’t doing it. Just saying I haven’t picked up on it.

  128. Jim S. says:

    He was talking big about tonight. I still say he was making his comments over the shoulder of
    Holliday or Beltran, though.

  129. Jim S. says:

    I can’t defend Marte’s hitting of late – other than the bomb in Game 2. But, I still think he has the talent to snap out quickly. That, coupled with his superior defense and running is what sways me to Marte. So, I’m not thinking it is just about defense.

  130. NMR says:

    I gotcha buddy.

    I’m thinking specifically of the at-bat where Marte bounced the first pitch after Kelly walked the pitcher (ugh) and Freese was under it immediately. With two outs. Thought for sure it was an infield single off the bat, given Marte’s speed out of the box.

  131. Jim S. says:

    Yep, that too.

  132. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m not ridiculing anyone for having these thoughts because I completely understand them but:

    I wonder if we’ll see any of these “its been a great season, I’m just enjoying the ride no matter what happens” posts next spring with the Penguins.

    Dan Bylsma would get a chuckle from these posts, I bet. Dude has one great season after another yet calls for him being fired resonate throughout the postseason.

  133. Arriba Wilver says:

    Anybody who thinks Cole is the wrong choice over AJ, please speak up now, or STFU later, no matter what happens. ;-)

    So far, only Stuart has objected.

  134. Dom says:

    Diffidently the Braves.

    What’s wrong with Towers doing a Randy savage impression?

  135. NMR says:

    Hope so, Jim. Certainly do.

    Just can’t imagine a tougher matchup for Marte than a righty with plus command and one of the best breaking balls in the league.

    All the point I was trying to make was that left field doesn’t provide as many opportunities to allow superior defense to overcome sub-par offense, as this series has shown.

  136. Dom says:

    I obviously meant Definitely not Diffidently.

  137. NMR says:

    He failed to properly snap into a Slim Jim.

  138. Dom says:

    Not me. No matter what happens I feel that Hurdle made the right decision.

  139. Jim S. says:

    Those Braves are a mess.

  140. NMR says:

    Those two situations couldn’t be further from equivalent.

  141. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’ll go on record. I think AJ should start. This franchise is where it is because of his acquisition. His contribution over the past two years has been integral to its success. That alone doesn’t warrant him starting but I go with the veteran in this situation, unless internal scouting is telling you something else.

    Hope I’m wrong and I’ll sit the f down. I was certainly wrong about Wacha Wacha Do’s nerves.

  142. Jim S. says:

    I think that one is about Crosby + Geno + Letang + the Cup a few years ago = Major Expectations every year.

  143. Dom says:

    By the way, I reserve the right to change my opinion if Cole gives up a number of runs early into the game.

  144. NMR says:

    I don’t have a single concrete reason for believing this, but I agree with you.

    Just seems like the perfect moment he’s been waiting for to sail off into the sunset.

  145. JohninOshkosh says:

    Hey NMR! You haven’t rebuked any of my posts in awhile. I feel honored. :)

  146. Jim S. says:

    You’ve outdone yourself, 21. Maybe he could go over to him under the guise of seeking an autograph.

  147. NMR says:

    That is balogna. I’ve secretly debunked many-a-post in my own fantasy universe.


  148. Jim S. says:


  149. NMR says:

    No kidding. Hard to root for.

  150. toochca says:

    I’ll bite! What happened now?

  151. NMR says:

    Buncha classless blacked out Pirate fans.

  152. Irish says:

    We had ‘em aaall the way!
    100 on the Win!
    Let’s Go Bucs!!!
    Thanks, Playoffs.

  153. Jim S. says:

    And a groundball staff, like the Bucs, which doesn’t allow as many flyballs. Good point.

  154. bradthedad says:

    Game’s changed. Years ago you’d never dream of turning a big game over to a kid – now they are prepared mentally and physically to handle it.

  155. toochca says:

    Girardi just resigned with the Yankees for 4 more years.

  156. Vette60 says:

    All in for the win – 100 Bucco Bucs that they will get the job done tonight!

    Let’s go Bucs!
    Randy in RVA.

  157. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, guys. Fair enough.

    I’m with Cole because of the venue. Hard to ignore AJ’s troubles there. And I think he sealed his fate when he sounded like after the first game he had wilted under the pressure. Cole seems to have nerves of steel. But we’ll see.

    Either way, great season.

  158. JohninOshkosh says:

    What are some thoughts about how Joe Maddon managed last night. Interesting that he was pulling pitchers even though the game was scoreless, and I think in two consecutive games he gave up the DH for strategy.

    Heard on sports talk (Gottleib, I think), he was managing like some us manage video games. I’ve done it before in strat-o-matic and “The Show,” pulling my starters and managing the staff to get to the 8 and 9 innings guys.

  159. Jim S. says:

    Actually, when I responded it was to NMR’s question about whether the Braves should get the worst person of the week for dissing Chipper when he threw out the first pitch after saying the Dodgers would beat them.

  160. JohninOshkosh says:

    What are the Cubs going to do now ?

  161. toochca says:

    I thought Joe Maddon did exactly what he needed to do. It was crazy, but it worked yesterday for him. I wouldn’t expect it to work everytime though.

  162. Jim S. says:

    Great question, Osh. I thought he was blowing through that staff so fast that his team was going to be toast for Game 5 and the next series, regardless. I get that the season was on the line, but what good is it to win that one game and prolong the season if it means you have nothing left for a Game 5 and 2 more series’ to follow? I don’t think pitchers snap back so quickly at this time of year, and his team might have had some big issues going forward.

    I love Strat-o-matic, btw. Played it a lot as a kid, then reintroduced my son to it on a whim last year and he loves it.

  163. Jim S. says:

    Dusty, Part II.

  164. toochca says:

    That’s what I thought AFTER I hit submit. Maybe I should think BEFORE I submit!! That’s never fun though!!

    He gets dissed for being correct?! Shame on ou Chipper!!

  165. Arriba Wilver says:

    I have to think there’s more to it than that.

    Maybe he wasn’t so popular in the clubhouse?

  166. NMR says:

    Once again showed he’s the best manager in baseball.

    Think the Cards would’ve scored 9 runs in Game 1 if Hurdle were even half as aggressive?

    Think Maddon would’ve blinked an eye at removing Morton from Game 4 before his third time through the heart of the order?

  167. Milo Hamilton says:

    Manny Acta ? Please ? AJ Hinch ? Pretty please ?

  168. David says:

    Checking in from Cambridge, OH

  169. Jim S. says:

    I’m with you, Arriba. And I’m a firm believer that a decision is not suddenly wrong because it didn’t work out. Sometimes things just don’t work out.

    I feel like Clint has tough decisions in LF and SS tonight, as well as lineup order decisions. They are killer decisions for anyone, and he will likely get some of them wrong and some of them right – hopefully, more right than wrong. But, either way, I’m not going to question him.

  170. Milo Hamilton says:

    Joe Maddon. Something else we agree on.

  171. toochca says:

    Cubs fans are actually asking for Ozzie Guillen!!

  172. Jim S. says:

    You guys are saying it up front, and I appreciate that. I’m in the opposite camp. The recent evidence tells me Cole has turned a corner, and that you have to go with that power stuff.

    I hope the majority is right on this one, and that AJ gets to open the LA series.

  173. Arriba Wilver says:

    Joe Maddon would have started Cole. ;-)

  174. Jim S. says:

    You can have some of my NMR rebuke throw-aways, Osh. Too numerous to count. :-)

  175. Karen22 says:

    Listening to Hurdle’s press conference now. Everyone is available except Charlie AND AJ (due to his extensive preparation schedule).

  176. Arriba Wilver says:


  177. Karen22 says:

    It’s Marte’s birthday today, too.

    Time for a Marte PARTAY!!

  178. PittMI says:


    First time betting also but had to say-

    100 Stargell Stars on the win

  179. Jim S. says:

    But, I also sat in PNC on Sunday thinking Liriano was out of gas and starting to get rocked far before Clint did. I wanted him out before the end of the 5th, and Clint stuck with him through the 6th. He actually deserved to leave with a shutout if not for the botched caught stealing call by the 3b ump that led to Beltran’s 2 run single. So, it can work both ways.

    I do generally like Joe Madden, though.

  180. Jim S. says:

    I’m glad Francona is taken. If he had sat one more year, I think we’d have our answer.

  181. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Hard to see the defensive positioning, but I guarantee he’s on the grass.

  182. JohninOshkosh says:

    My wife and I have a board game night once a week. Once in a while, I will choose Strat-o-Matic. She knows nothing about baseball. I have never lost to her. Then again, I’ve never beaten her at Scrabble and my record against her in trivial pursuit is Astroesque.

  183. NMR says:

    Haha, as he should. Fully admitting I have no logic dictating this decision (hold the jokes :) ).

    Even a nerd like me is enough of a fan to play his favorite pitcher when the season is on the line.

  184. Jim S. says:

    So, when she bats Clint Barmes 4th, you just let her do it?

  185. Jim S. says:

    For me, it was one of those weird instances where the response gets placed somewhere other than where it is intended. I don’t know how it got down there.

  186. Jim S. says:

    That seals it. Bucs win!

  187. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m actually a little surprised Hurdle did this. AJ is the “safe choice.” I think it may be an example of what DK was referring to in his “Nutting column.”

    Go for it.

  188. JohninOshkosh says:

    Hahaha. Yep. I think her lineups are ofter based on whether she likes the guy’s name or not.

    I sort have to co-manage for her at times. If they ever make Strat-o-Matic ballet, I’m in trouble.

  189. Karen22 says:

    After much thought, I have decided on my adult beverage du jour on this historic evening. It is a robust wine (red blend from Hunt Country Vineyard in the Finger Lakes) called “Alchemy.”

    ALCHEMY: 1. A process by which paradoxical results are achieved or incompatible elements combined with no obvious rational explanation.

    2. Philosophy focused on the attempt to change base metals into gold, investigating the preparation of the “elixir of longevity.”

    3. The causing of any sort of mysterious sudden transmutation.

    4. An unexplainable transmutation; the creation of something special out of a common material.

    5. The process of changing a base form into something more perfect or something more viable that can be used for noble purposes. Philosophically, alchemy is known for the conversion of our physical essence into that of a higher more spiritual state.

    CHEMISTRY…MAGIC…BUCCOS defined!! The PERFECT elixir!!

    CHEERS!! :D

  190. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Hate Buck!

    Jim Kaat is a very good analyst, IMO.

  191. NMR says:

    I definitely think Clint, as the manager of a real life game, made the right choice, regardless of what happens.

    I just would’ve done the opposite in my own little playland.

  192. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Like Greg Brown?

    ha ha

  193. Jim S. says:

    I like that you have board game night. Good idea.

  194. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I knew Chip had done the TBS games before, but didnt know why he wasn’t used anymore.

  195. NMR says:

    A little, maybe.

    But don’t forget his snippy little “it’s on me” retort to Dejan after Game 1.

    Sounded to me like he was done taking one on the chin for his veteran starter.

  196. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    October 12, 2012
    Game 5 NLDS
    Cardinals vs. Nationals

    Adam Wainwright

    2.1 Innings Pitched
    7 Hits
    6 Runs
    6 Earned Runs
    0 Walks
    5 K’s
    3 Home-Runs Allowed
    7.88 ERA

  197. Arriba Wilver says:

    Cardinals won.

  198. toochca says:

    I remember playing Strat-O-Matic with my brother on the way to games. We used to have at least 1.5 hours to kill.

    In the top of the 9th, he had bases loaded and two outs with Ron LeFlore up. Ron LeFlore proceded to hit a Grand Slam because of a bump in I-90 (We were going to an Indian game).

    Ron LeFlore’s home run space is barely bigger that the needle. He never lets me live it down!!

  199. NMR says:

    And the final score? These guys are going to be damn tough to beat.

  200. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    My mother’s family were from there. Moved to Pittsburgh for work. LOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGG time ago.

  201. NMR says:

    Best friends all the sudden. :)

  202. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    10% my butt

  203. NMR says:

    You guys don’t actually read my garbage, do you? :)

  204. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  205. BillyBaduka says:


  206. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    But ALL I keep hearing is how Wainwright is the second coming of Satchel Page.

    The man is a good pitcher, but good pitchers have off days.
    See above.

  207. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    We’ve beaten them more times than they have beaten us this year.


  208. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Or just flex is batman tattoo…really? Batman tattoo?

  209. BillyBaduka says:


  210. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Read, yes, believe, no…

  211. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nope. I called for this after game 2.

  212. BillyBaduka says:

    Enjoy! Let’s go Bucs!

  213. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t think he’s unbeatable. But I do know who won that game.

    We’re all on the same side. ;-)

  214. Baywatch says:

    T-Minus 2 hours! Headin’ out for a VICTORY walk down the ol’ county road and back!

  215. Karen22 says:

    As are WE!! ALL pressure on the Cards.

    NO ONE expected us to be here today. NO ONE!!

  216. Dom says:

    Found this on youtube for the special day:

  217. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I agree. I thought he did exacty what he needed to do.

    Who knew his set up guy would throw a wild pitch?

    Shame how they lost. Like Joe Madden as a manager. A lot.

  218. Thundercrack says:

    I thought what the Braves did to Chipper was hilarious.
    Just reinforces my thinking that Chipper is a huge dolt.

    This is the first full year the guy has been retired and his former teammates snub him.
    Maybe he wasn’t as great a guy as the ‘media’ made him out to be.

  219. JohninOshkosh says:


  220. Milo Hamilton says:

    Little research. So much is being made at the Pirates swinging & missing at Wainwright’s curve in Game 1. But that’s kinda like criticizing a football team’s 3rd down conversion rate without looking at what really matters, what happened on 1st down & were they in long yardage situations.

    Of Adam Wainwright’s 9 strikeouts – 6 of them were swing & miss curve balls. But more importantly in those 9 AB’s, he started Pirates hitters with a fastball 8 times. And in 7 of those, the count started out 0-1. And they looked at 6 of those fastball strikes.

    When you get to 2 strikes you’re supposed to protect, so swinging & missing at a pitcher’s pitch can be expected. But taking first pitch fastballs for strikes is what the real problem is.

    I heard a radio interview with Art Howe over the summer where he explained his A’s teams failures in the playoffs. He said their strategy of working pitchers deep in counts to drive up their pitch counts worked great in the regular season because of the amount of 3,4 & 5 starters you see. But it killed them in the playoffs because 1 & 2 starters don’t get behind in counts & you’re left in the hole swinging at pitches you can’t handle. I really think that applies here.

  221. pattonbb says:

    I think Joe Maddon gets a little too caught up in “being Joe Maddon” sometimes. He’s an incredible manager, and by all accounts, a great guy. I just think he’s a little too creative at times.

    That being said, he’s been manager of the year before and I’m just a two time little league all star (’77 and ’78). Maybe he does know a little more about the game than I.


  222. Terry Haines says:

    Alexandria Virginia lunatic

  223. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    I think it absolutely applies here. Great insight from Howe. Its exactly how I explained Marte’s issues up above there.

    Pedro finds himself in that situation far too often as well. When he gets hot, he’s usually not taking pitches.

    The Pirates need to jump on his 1st pitch fastballs. They are obviously hit very well against fastball pitching.

    They get to him early, they won’t have to worry about getting his pitch count up.

    Good research man, enjoyed it.

  224. bman says:


    100 on the WIN


  225. NMR says:

    For a good hitting team, I would agree with you.

    But all fastballs are not created equal. Mr. Wacha showed us what these hitters can do against one spotted on the corner, as I believe most of Wainwright’s usually are.

  226. Karen22 says:

    “Red sky at morning, sailors take warning.
    Red sky at night, sailors’ DELIGHT!”

    Got RED SKY!

    Sail on, BUCCOS!!

  227. Well, the Birds DID win 3. That’s just not enough

  228. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s the opposite actually. Good hitters don’t care if they have a strike on them, great hitters can have 2. I want these guys hacking at the first fastball they like. Problem with the Pirates is that they don’t recognize pitches well. OK, who am I kidding, they don’t recognize pitches at all. If Wainwright adjusts by throwing off speed early in the count, the aggressive approach will kill them too.

  229. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Hopefully most pitchers fastballs are on the corners. Otherwise it’s usually bombs away….

  230. likeabugonarug says:

    People all over the world, join hands
    Get on the Cole Train, Cole Train!


  231. I’m hoping Liriano gets Game 1 in LA, then AJ, Cole & Morton

    DK: A.J. would start Game 1.

  232. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Now worries Arriba.

  233. 21sthebest says:


  234. theplanisworking says:


  235. Chuck H says:

    I’m disappointed that Hurdle didn’t change the lineup around a bit. No chance for Bucs if
    that is his lineup for tonight’s game. Too many auto outs at top of batting order and the
    bottom has some auto outs,too. Cards win 4-0. SORRY.

  236. pattonbb says:

    Hall of Fame Player.

    Not a Hall of Fame person.

  237. pattonbb says:

    Dusty wants to manage the Nats.

    Heck yea, give him another team to ruin.

  238. theplanisworking says:

  239. irishjim says:

    feelin good about tonight! maybe it was the video…..

  240. Bob Hasis says:

    You (we) may be in the minority, but we are correct.

    On the very, very slim chance a defensive play by Barmes will affect the outcome of this game in our favor, is to presume that Mercer wouldn’t or couldn’t make that same play. Poor logic

    However we DO IN FACT know that 75 points better in batting average is a more tangible and REAL difference, that every at bat has that much greater a chance for success. A fact undisputable

    Sadly most do not see it that way

  241. Jandy says:

    Woop woop!

  242. Jandy says:

    Good job!

  243. Brandie says:

    Here’s to sweet, hard earned redemption. May the Pirates not squander it.

    Have a wonderful game, Gerritt Cole.

  244. likeabugonarug says:

    30 minutes everyone!


  245. Dom says:

    Prediction time! What will be the final score?

    I’ll say 5-3 Cardinals.

    I have to give it to them as the two teams are so evenly matched that I got to give it to the home team.

  246. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pirates 100-0.

  247. michael DE Pitt says:

    Man loved Strato began my love of math there

  248. theplanisworking says:

    I forgot earlier………..

  249. theplanisworking says:

    Pirates 10 goals, 13 behinds.
    StLouis 9 goals, 11 behinds.


  250. irishjim says:

    4-2 good guys

  251. NMR says:

    All I’m saying is that given this teams inability to hit to all fields, all I think you’re doing is trading weak contact for strikeouts.

    Not disagreeing with anything you wrote, just don’t see Wainwright serving up first pitch fastballs that these guys can handle.

  252. NMR says:

    According to some, Pedro takes first pitch fastballs down the heart of the plate all the time. :)

  253. Jandy says:

    I second that emotion!

  254. The Justice Avenger says:

    Hello Loonies – There are 252 posts – is there something special going on this evening? :)

  255. theplanisworking says:

    DK’s birthday. :)

  256. pattonbb says:

    I wonder how many times TBS’ pregame show has used the word “ambushed”.

    Apparently Cole “ambushed” the Cards last time and there’s no way the Cards will allow that to happen again.

  257. War Horse says:

    “A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.”

    ~ Winston Churchill

    100 on the OVER tonight, please

  258. Jandy says:

    Silly Hipposter!

  259. Tom P. says:

    Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but the Pirates have won 9 of their last 11 road games: 3-0 at Texas, 2-1 at Cubs, 3-0 at Reds, 1-1 at Cardinals (Division Series).

    Lets Go Bucs.

  260. theplanisworking says:


  261. theplanisworking says:


  262. The Justice Avenger says:

    Yea, heard that this morning, Plan…anything else? LOL. Thanks!

  263. Brandie says:

    Thank you for the good vibes.

  264. The Justice Avenger says:

    heard that, too, patton. Nuts.

  265. Jandy says:

    The Cole Train is a’comin’!

  266. The Justice Avenger says:

    Dom – I said yesterday 5 -3 Pirates.

  267. War Horse says:

    I just got home (it’s almost 1:00am here in England) and haven’t had a chance to read the posts above. All I can say is: Try to have faith, breathe deeply when dangers appear, trust in the dedication, talent (latent or otherwise) and spirit of our guys on and off the field, and be grateful, as I am, win or lose, for one of the great seasons of baseball for our beloved Pirates.

    “A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” Winston Churchill

  268. JohninOshkosh says:

    Scottrade Center can’t be more than, what, 6 blocks from Busch Stadium. Traffic and parking must be a mess in St. Louis right now.

  269. Jandy says:

    Well said War Horse

  270. BDHumbert says:

    All in on the win!

  271. The Justice Avenger says:

    Love the quote…thanks, Warhorse.

  272. Jandy says:


  273. Eric Bowser says:

    I want to hide under a cover and scream……

    We are here…. game 5

  274. The Justice Avenger says:

    Evening, Nunnie!

  275. The Justice Avenger says:

    Folks – This is October 9th and our Pittsburgh Pirates are in Game 5 of the Playoffs! This is pretty awesome!

  276. pattonbb says:

    Lets Go Bucs!!!

  277. Dom says:

    I wonder how Card fans feel that Bill Cowher is the color commentator. Seems to be lopsided in our favor.

  278. Milo Hamilton says:

    The team that’s scored 1st has won all 4 games.

  279. theplanisworking says:

    FIRE BYLSMA !!!!! :D

  280. Steelag70 says:


  281. Jandy says:

    Lol Eric! Peek out at the corner ;)

  282. The Justice Avenger says:

    Right on, Karen!!

  283. War Horse says:

    Thanks, Jandy. Hope yopu enjoy it over there as much as I will be over here. x

  284. theplanisworking says:

    Game time, and almost 300 posts already!

    I dont see all the fuss……………. ;)

  285. Chris Snyder says:

    Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania lunatic

  286. Brandie says:

    Good Evening all. Wishing the Buccos and all of you the best.

  287. Patrick(ri) says:

    After all the bs on pre game, the clear choice was the right one: Pirates.

  288. War Horse says:

    Yinz is most welcome, JA.

  289. JohninOshkosh says:

    Doc Emrick doing the call a mere few minutes away from his beloved Pirates. Wish he was doing the Bucco game,

  290. Jandy says:

    Lol Eric! Peek out at the corner ;)

  291. JRay3 says:

    Gametime is upon us, this 2013 Pirates team has been counted out so many times this season, only to go out and show it has more in them. I believe tonight they show us one more time.

    100 on WIN

    Go Bucs!

  292. JohninOshkosh says:

    Here we go…..

  293. OldSoldier21 says:

    Good evening fellow lunatics. My heart is beating a little faster than normal already. I hope this isn’t a nail biter, may be the last game I see if it is. :O

  294. Dom says:

    I’m wearing the same outfit I did the day we beat the Reds-After washing them of course.

  295. The Justice Avenger says:

    Thar is great, Karen.

  296. Jandy says:

    Hey. Hey Justice!

  297. The Justice Avenger says:

    I got my WC outfit on…

  298. The Justice Avenger says:


  299. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Just got home. Glad I made it in time to watch the game.

    I am curious as to what AJs warm up routine is though.

  300. Dom says:

    The cards are also so good in elimination games. Also why I think they’ll win.

  301. Steelag70 says:

    I’ve got my playoff beard still going…..

  302. theplanisworking says:

    Muppet Power ! ;)

  303. The Justice Avenger says:

    Wimpy crowd with their white hankies!

  304. theplanisworking says:

    Have a vial of nitro handy.

  305. Jandy says:

    Haha Dom hubby said the same thing

  306. Barb says:

    Love the We are Family video. Let’s go Bucs!!!!!!!

  307. The Justice Avenger says:

    Evening, Brandie!

  308. JMB says:

    AJ said he couldnt pitch today?

    That’s not much of a team attitude if true!

  309. Milo Hamilton says:

    Marte got 2 fastballs to hit & it was 0-2. Here we go.

  310. Lad 9 says:

    Good evening Crüe. I am pumped fit to bust. Lets go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  311. Steelag70 says:

    Ok Buccos…let’s not wait until the 8th inning to get a hit tonight. ;)

  312. JRay3 says:

    Marte had two pitches dead red to hit before being rung up, need to get to Wainwright early.

  313. Eric Bowser says:

    really wanted Tabata starting….

  314. JohninOshkosh says:

    Methinks the Pirates are doing some serious damage control about AJ’s tantrum about not starting.

    His routine isn’t compatible for coming into relief ? Huh ?

  315. pattonbb says:

    And Wainwright drops the curve in for the K.

    Deja Vu.

  316. Brandie says:

    Justice Awaits!

  317. Brandie says:


  318. Steelag70 says:

    Not a great way to start the game….be agressive Buccos….

  319. OldSoldier21 says:

    Walker draws the walk – duck on the pond……

  320. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Took the 1st pitch. Just missed the 2nd. Which was a better one of the 2.

    Curve ball was vicious

  321. Jandy says:

    We got a base runner!

  322. Dom says:

    Walker is on. Let’s keep making him throw pitches.

  323. The Justice Avenger says:

    Well there goes the perfect game…

  324. JRay3 says:

    So far no command of curveball for Wainwright, would be huge if it takes him a little while to find that pitch.

  325. Steelag70 says:

    Nice job Neil…..come on Cutch….

  326. Brandie says:

    DK and Marte have the same birthday.

  327. Brandie says:

    Same age too…25!

  328. Steelag70 says:

    It’s that fine line…Marte did and he couldn’t recover…you just have to pick your spots….

  329. Thundercrack says:

    Did AJ say that or did Clint say that?

  330. Dom says:

    Another poster mentioned that today. He apparently can’t be used in relief regardless of any other circumstances.

  331. The Justice Avenger says:

    he’s a starter for sure…

  332. cmat0829 says:

    Wainright’s command not as good tonight as in game 1.

  333. Dom says:

    Come on morneau

  334. OldSoldier21 says:

    One LOB as we head to the bottom of the 1st.

  335. Dom says:

    So much for that

  336. JMB says:

    Im not sure. The TBS guy told the story.

  337. JohninOshkosh says:

    Time to hang one of those babies.

    The curve ball giveth….the curve ball taketh away.

  338. Steelag70 says:

    Have to get to good pitchers early…especially when they are off….could be performance anxiety by Wainwright….doesn’t want to repeat last year’s game 5 performancce….

  339. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    1 pitch at a time….keep telling myself that.

    Wainwright looks hittable though.

    Curve ball is sporatic. 2 good ones, got the K on both. Others all over.

  340. JRay3 says:

    I am still holding onto hope of that first really big hit from Morneau, it did not happen there.

  341. Jandy says:


  342. OldSoldier21 says:

    Good to take that off of the table early.

  343. cmat0829 says:

    Not sure what the fuss is about AJ and relief… he is the LAST pitcher I’d want in the game in a relief role… we have a full bullpen… Gomez if we need early relief (hope not) and all the relievers are in play. If Cole gets past the 4th inning, we can probably even bypass Mazarro and Gomez if we so chose.

  344. Eric Bowser says:

    Cutch missed that curve by a foot.

    Morneau swings at first pitch and weakly ground out to SS…. man was I dead wrong about him being a good option. Jones stunk the joint out but it sure would be nice to have a 1B that drives the ball.

  345. cmat0829 says:

    not sure i’d call the curve to cutch a ‘good curve’ Cutch was thinking fastball I think and was way ahead of the pitch… but otherwise, that curve hung and ended up mid thigh and over the plate… that can’t be where wainwright wants that pitch.

  346. Steelag70 says:

    +….AJ pitching at Busch is no bueno…starting OR relieving…

  347. The Justice Avenger says:

    good point on jones, eric.

  348. cmat0829 says:

    cutch missed that curve bc he was swinging fastball

  349. Patrick(ri) says:

    It is gonna be tough with only 4-5 in lineup with any hits. And one of those is our pitcher.

  350. pattonbb says:

    Absolutely agree.

  351. Steelag70 says:

    They should have sacrificed a live chicken…..

  352. Barb says:

    I want our announcers. I can’t take Brenley. Blech!

  353. Dom says:

    Two away

  354. cmat0829 says:

    good Cole to settle down after the ump squeezed the first two pitches on him…. and let it be noted that Alvarez was positioned exactly right for the grounder by Carpenter… which was aimed at the hole b/w ss and 3b.

  355. Steelag70 says:

    Pitch recognition, pitch recognition, pitch recognition….

  356. JohninOshkosh says:

    At least we know this, Matt Carpenter sucks.

  357. theplanisworking says:

    See?? Barmes is in there for his D! ;)

  358. Steelag70 says:

    That IS saying a lot Barb…lol

  359. Eric Bowser says:

    I wonder, could someone try to bunt the ball up the first base line…. force Adams to play some D.

  360. Lad 9 says:


  361. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, but Stockton is gold…………..

  362. Jandy says:

    You mean live cardinal ;)

  363. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I agree. Not really expecting him to come out, but I find his ritual to be a little ridiculous to not be able to pitch at all.

  364. The Justice Avenger says:

    nice inning for the cole train. he is smoking that radar gun.

  365. OldSoldier21 says:

    Nice 1,2,3 inning for Cole. Onto the 2nd……

  366. cmat0829 says:

    Pedro strong and steady… .Holliday with the old swing for a groundball trick… no idea why he does that??? with so much power??

  367. Dom says:

    Atta boy cole

  368. Steelag70 says:

    He does amp it up when the scene is huge, doesn’t he?

  369. JRay3 says:

    Calm, Cool and Collected, the Cole train hitting 98-100 and disposes Cards quickly in first very positive sign.

  370. Jandy says:

    Re slimy pond scum!

  371. Barb says:

    Yes he is okay but Brenely. Never heard of him until this series. I Googled him and I still don’t know him.

  372. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Or move?

  373. JohninOshkosh says:

    He can’t be brought in in a situational role. To face 1 batter perhaps that the history favors him ?

    C’mon….its here to eternity. All hands on deck.

  374. Barb says:

    Way to go Baby Boy.

  375. cmat0829 says:

    adams actually isn’t a bad fielder and surprisingly fleet-footed….i think the Cards trained in the minors by throwing raw meat at him.

    but yes, i’d like to see marte push one b/w pitcher and 1B rather than down the 3B line.

  376. Jandy says:

    Errrr. Red

  377. Steelag70 says:

    It’s weird watching game 5 while it’s beginning to get dark outside…for a few games I thought there was some Blue Law about the Buccos and Cards playing a night game….

  378. cmat0829 says:

    that 98MPH fastball that stays off the plate until the last minute is devastating.

  379. theplanisworking says:

    Winning WS manager of the 2001 Diamondbacks.

  380. OldSoldier21 says:

    Our productive part of the order is up this inning, lets hope they stay productive…..

  381. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Former catcher. World Series winning manager. Announcer for Cubs.

    Annoying voice.

  382. Milo Hamilton says:

    By the way, they should just pitch around Alvarez. Every time.

  383. cmat0829 says:

    All 3 judges score the first inning to the Pirates, slightly. Got to get their feet underneath them, keep Cards from jumping out front.

  384. Steelag70 says:

    Yep…like the beauty he got Beltran with in Game 2….

  385. theplanisworking says:


  386. The Justice Avenger says:

    he indeed does, steel.

  387. Lad 9 says:


  388. OldSoldier21 says:

    Byrd with a lead off single. No, no-no in the works tonight…..

  389. cmat0829 says:

    And that ass-wipe Brenley is proven wrong again…

  390. Dom says:

    That’ll break up the no hitter!

  391. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  392. Steelag70 says:

    Let’s draw first blood Buccos…..

  393. Patrick(ri) says:

    Obviously Brenly is confused.

  394. theplanisworking says:


  395. cmat0829 says:

    Sit CURVE TORO and hit it to Columbia

  396. Jandy says:


  397. Barb says:


  398. JohninOshkosh says:

    Pedro bomb wanted.

  399. Patrick(ri) says:


  400. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I don’t see Pedro getting anything but off speed.

    1st pitch might’ve been a cutter

  401. Steelag70 says:

    Byrd is the Wyrd…….

  402. Barb says:

    Is the word!

  403. OldSoldier21 says:


  404. Dom says:

    Terrible luck

  405. cmat0829 says:

    damn it… carpenter in right spot this time (matheny learned something i guess)…

  406. The Justice Avenger says:

    If La Russa were managing…he would…

  407. JRay3 says:

    Tough break as Albarez hit that ball on a line.

  408. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Byrd forgot to check where his fielders were. Still not sure if he could’ve got back after a secondary lead.

  409. Steelag70 says:

    I remember the game he pitched vs TCU…elimination game in the CWS…6 innings…13 K’s and only 1 hit I believe…what a gamer….

  410. Jandy says:


  411. Dom says:


  412. JRay3 says:


  413. cmat0829 says:

    So far Bucs approaches way way better tonight than vs Wacha… we are gonna break through tonight, just hold on…

  414. The Justice Avenger says:


  415. Barb says:

    At least we are hitting Wainwright tonight.

  416. OldSoldier21 says:

    That was quick. Onto the bottom of the second……

  417. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    He hit it hard….seemed to be sitting on it

  418. Steelag70 says:

    Good sign early though….making hard contact….

  419. Barb says:

    Dirtiest word there is.

  420. JohninOshkosh says:

    Never underestimate hubris.

  421. cmat0829 says:

    All those against the modern shifts…. Cards didn’t in game 3, got burned. did tonight, saved a 1st and 3rd no out situation.

  422. theplanisworking says:


  423. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Agree. 2nd time through the order.

  424. Jandy says:

    Lol your pond is clean silly Hippo

  425. The Justice Avenger says:

    agree cmat…another inning or two…

  426. War Horse says:

    That was a beautiful pitch to Marte.

  427. Steelag70 says:

    Two phrases quite often used in hunting apply weel for tonight’s game:

    “Red is DEAD” and “If it flies, it dies”

  428. Jandy says:

    No that would be “Flyers”

  429. Steelag70 says:

    Isn’t it true though that Cards pitchers are not comfortable with the shifts?? If so, will be interesting to see how they handle it this game….

  430. Steelag70 says:

    +1…or “Ravens”…..

  431. Steelag70 says:

    Cole loves these situations and games….elimination game vs TCU in the CWS…6 innings, 13 K’s and 1 hit I believe…..

  432. Jandy says:

    Agreed! Lol

  433. Steelag70 says:

    And well, “Browns” just really fit too…lol.

  434. cmat0829 says:

    i think wainwright more comfortable after that DP

  435. JohninOshkosh says:


    No Adams zinger ? You’re slipping, buddy.

  436. Steelag70 says:

    I was thinking more though of the fact that Petey drilled it….

  437. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I thought it had a huge bend to it, landed outer half not right down the middle.

    Definitely looking fastball though.

  438. The Justice Avenger says:

    Nice history from his his UCLA days…thanks, Steel.

  439. OldSoldier21 says:

    First base runner for the Cards. A dreaded 2 out walk……

  440. Jandy says:


  441. OldSoldier21 says:

    Hey now! I see a trend developing…….

  442. The Justice Avenger says:

    Language! LOL!

  443. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Cole Train….shut it down….

  444. The Justice Avenger says:


  445. OldSoldier21 says:

    2-0 Bad guys……

  446. Dom says:

    2-0 Cards

  447. J Walter Weatherman says:


  448. theplanisworking says:


  449. Jandy says:

    Double poop!

  450. Milo Hamilton says:

    Good night all.

  451. Lad 9 says:


  452. Dom says:

    You should have bet on it.

  453. Barb says:

    STFD Grannie.

  454. JohninOshkosh says:

    Mr. October.


  455. OldSoldier21 says:

    2 out walk comes back to bite Cole…… I hate those things!

  456. Patrick(ri) says:

    Does it seem 2 out walks just kill us?

  457. cmat0829 says:


  458. Steelag70 says:


  459. Lad 9 says:

    Not ready to roll over yet.

  460. Steelag70 says:

    Hope not Milo….

  461. The Justice Avenger says:

    just told my wife that, john.

  462. cmat0829 says:

    see above, raw meat n’at.

  463. OldSoldier21 says:

    Murphy’s law. It had to happen…..

  464. Milo Hamilton says:

    You walk John Jay, you get what you deserve.

  465. The Justice Avenger says:

    gotta get one back this inning.

  466. J Walter Weatherman says:

    This is the 2013 Pirates. Every time you think they’re down and out, they defy expectations. Let’s see if they can do it again.

  467. irishjim says:

    f word

  468. Steelag70 says:

    Can’t do that against Wainwright….

  469. Jandy says:

    It ain’t over! Let’s go boys!

  470. cmat0829 says:

    well, we need to answer …. 2 runs will not be the difference in this game. GET THE BATS GOING,

  471. The Justice Avenger says:

    +1 !

  472. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


    Not over yet. I think the Bucco bats get to Wainwright 2nd time around.

  473. Dom says:

    I have already changed the channel.

  474. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just saw it. :)

  475. War Horse says:

    It’s not the end of the world. The Bucs are capable of hitting Wainwright just as well.

  476. Steelag70 says:

    Trying to stay positive here…..

  477. Thundercrack says:

    Just checking to see if anyone has posted “Clint should realize that Cole doesn’t have it tonight an should have Pitcher X warming up already.”


  478. Steelag70 says:

    My friends who are Rangers fans just had nightmare flashbacks to 2011 and Freese….

  479. irishjim says:

    as someone mentioned earlier, team that has scored first has won all 4 games this series

  480. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You’re better than that Milo.

  481. Jandy says:

    Breathe Dom!

  482. The Justice Avenger says:

    cole knew that was strike three…he is a pitcher himself…

  483. Steelag70 says:

    Buccos will have to break that streak….

  484. Barb says:

    Thank you Professor Stockton we all know how smart you are with letting us know how bad the Pirates are at hitting curveballs. I HATE THE ANNOUNCERS.

  485. Jandy says:


  486. florida steeler says:

    So, Mr. Attitude–AJ Burnett did not take the news well and is not available tonight?? Send his a_ _ out of town on the first available transportation.

  487. The Justice Avenger says:

    worse out for me…a pop fly foul ball…

  488. Steelag70 says:

    They all just LOVE the cardinals….

  489. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Bunting with 2 outs isn’t a bad thing….

    All is well….

  490. Patrick(ri) says:

    Does Marte ever actually try to bunt on first pitch, or is that just a nervous twitch?

  491. Steelag70 says:

    Wainwright just turned it up another notch folks….not good…

  492. Dom says:

    Oh. I can breathe just fine as I watch the Midde.

  493. War Horse says:

    Cole is fine. Freese got a pitch he could hit. Not to worry. The game has a way to go. Faith counts.

  494. florida steeler says:

    Hope Marte didn’t set the example. He and Walker have been horrible this series.

  495. theplanisworking says:

    I was going to say “Sorry, we have no food for you” (in honor of Playoffs).

  496. irishjim says:

    enough with marte and walker….tabata and mercer please

  497. florida steeler says:

    Stockton hated Pittsburgh when he was there and made disparaging remarks about the city when he went to Boston.

  498. Thundercrack says:

    “The fans on Federal Street are on tv ”

    Uh…we know. We’re watching tv

  499. War Horse says:

    AJ is in the dugout, mainly talking to Locke, his altar boy. I could NOT believe the Tweet his wife put on the Net the other day when her husband was shelled. She used the F word in the clear.

  500. The Justice Avenger says:


  501. Barb says:

    Way to go Marte!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  502. OldSoldier21 says:

    MARTE!!!!!! Nice grab!!!!!!!

  503. pattonbb says:


  504. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    There’s a gem.

    Tabby doesn’t get that.

  505. J Walter Weatherman says:

    At least he can field well. Tabata doesn’t get that.

  506. JohninOshkosh says:

    Didn’t two hand it.

  507. Steelag70 says:

    Well they had better start…..

  508. Jandy says:

    Nice catch Marte!

  509. Patrick(ri) says:

    Beautiful catch.

  510. Steelag70 says:

    Nice one Starling…

  511. War Horse says:

    Is there another left fielder who would have made that catch? I think not.

  512. Thundercrack says:

    Do you think AJ told Clint that if he is not starting tonight then he’s not pitching at all?

  513. pattonbb says:

    very nice, John.

  514. JRay3 says:

    Great grab by Marte, saved two maybe three bases, hopefully gives the team spark as they get heart of order back up there.

  515. OldSoldier21 says:

    Cole puts up a zero, nice quick inning. Walker, Cutch and More-no due up for the good guys……

  516. Dom says:

    Now I’m convinced we should have started tabata

  517. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not really. Usually too busy laughing.

    Dad has 2 parts in a baseball movie.

    The Rookie and Major League.

  518. War Horse says:

    Er, um, ahh. Premature?

  519. Patrick(ri) says:

    Holliday would still be running it down.

  520. OldSoldier21 says:


  521. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Buccos….2 hits in last 11 innings are NOT going to get it done…better than this….

  522. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    If he doesn’t dive and fields it. Its a single.

  523. Jandy says:

    Maybe not but he sure a he!! Chest bumped it.;)

  524. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  525. cmat0829 says:

    awesome catch. to be fair saved a hustling double b/c he didnt have to dive he could’ve field it on a bounce and tried to hold Matt to a single. but yes, down 2-0, it was right move to dive there and that was an awesome catch.

  526. cmat0829 says:

    nah, holliday would just be tiptoeing to the ball now to pick it up.

  527. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    That’s what she said…

  528. Steelag70 says:

    Elimination game…have to go all out…..

  529. Brandie says:

    It is Marge’s birthday today.

  530. cmat0829 says:

    Cole settled down after the HR… good sign…. guess Beltran wasn’t as ready to hit Cole as he thought… 0-2 for Mr October.

  531. Bob Hasis says:

    Barmes is like a side car on a motorcycle – just along for the ride while doing absolutely nothing.

  532. OldSoldier21 says:

    Walker making him work……

  533. War Horse says:

    FIELD IT? That ball was so far away from Starling it would have been an easy double to the wall if he didn’t dive to catch it, it probaly a triple as announcer Stockton suggested. What game are you watching, dude?

  534. Brandie says:

    Should say Marte!

  535. Dom says:

    Keep making him throw pitches walker

  536. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Ha ha. You’re autocorrect changes his name to Marge also

  537. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Jobu….wake up the bats….

  538. irishjim says:

    combined 1-36 in the series….hardly premature

  539. Barb says:

    They are playing out of their a**e* tonight (Cardinals I mean). GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

  540. Patrick(ri) says:

    Check him for PEDs!

  541. Dom says:

    That ball would not come down

  542. OldSoldier21 says:

    Grand theft on that diving catch by the SS. :(

  543. Barb says:

    I just muted the sound I can’t deal with them anymore!

  544. Milo Hamilton says:

    They are getting pitches to hit. One or two each at bat. Pffft.

  545. theplanisworking says:

    Not looking too good if the breaks dont go our way……………….

  546. Patrick(ri) says:

    Is it fair to say Wainwright has been a little lucky?

  547. Steelag70 says:

    Hoping the “IT” hasn’t run out for the Buccos….

  548. Thundercrack says:

    I am trying to determine who I hate more: the Reds or Cardinals.

    Right now: the Cardinals

  549. florida steeler says:

    But, he is Hurdle’s boy and has been all year even though he is hitting .211.

  550. Steelag70 says:

    Lucky and good wins out….

  551. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Please. At most double if it gets to the wall.

  552. OldSoldier21 says:

    Bucs go down 1,2,3 again. Still 2-0 Cards……

  553. Milo Hamilton says:

    Cutch – fastball right down the middle and elevated. Beats it right in to the ground.

  554. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Buccos…somebody do SOMETHING……….geezz…repeat of game 4….

  555. Jandy says:

    What’s useless is your disparaging remarks.
    I guess Walker and Cutch are just as useless?

  556. Steelag70 says:

    Hate to say it, but……

  557. Patrick(ri) says:

    No wonder we are in trouble — according to Stockton, Alvarez is sharing 3rd with Freese.

  558. irishjim says:


  559. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Not looking good. Momentum for Cards and Wainwright. Bucco bats are cold. Cole will have to be lights out for the next 3 innings+ for the Pirates to have a chance. I’m a little skeptical that this will happen.

  560. 21sthebest says:

    I’m trying to determine which game Dick Stockton is watching.

  561. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Mercer would have has many defensive put outs at this point in the game.

  562. Milo Hamilton says:

    Fat pitch after fat pitch. No solid contact.

  563. Patrick(ri) says:


  564. Steelag70 says:

    Bats all going cold at the wrong time…..

  565. cmat0829 says:

    without Dusty, Reds got 100% more likeable. That isn’t saying much. That said, our primary NL Central rival the next few years is the Cardinals…they are way better than the Reds. As are we.

  566. Barb says:

    They both wear red – dumb commies.

  567. Bob Hasis says:

    Jandy the subject is Barmes – no one else

  568. Barb says:

    Then don’t.

  569. JRay3 says:

    Story of game thus far, Pirates inability to manufacture anything offensively to get an inning going and put some pressure on Cards pitching and defense.

    Team needs to find a big inning.

  570. cmat0829 says:

    agreed… the hope i’m clinging to is Wainwright isn’t lights out.

  571. Jandy says:

    I was wondering who pissed off the baseball gods?

  572. florida steeler says:

    If you think a shortstop batting .211 belongs on a major league roster, you have a right to your opinion; as do I. The guy STINKS.

  573. Steelag70 says:

    Cards showing why they have been successful the last few years….

  574. OldSoldier21 says:

    This lack of run production puts so much pressure on the pitchers. No margin for error. Man I miss the lumber company version of the Bucs.

  575. Baywatch says:

    No contest: The Cardinals. Hope we catch up and rub it in their squeaky-clean faces!

  576. Purple Moose says:

    Every first pitch by Wainright is a fastball right down the middle and up, we need to swing at these once in a while.

    Nice to see our power hitting first baseman hitting weak opposite field ground balls time after time after time after…………..

  577. theplanisworking says:


  578. Steelag70 says:

    But he still seems to be just good enough…like Frankie was in game 3….

  579. Thundercrack says:

    The Reds still have Phillips

  580. JohninOshkosh says:

    Cincy then, Cincy now, Cincy forever.

    I hate the Reds.

  581. Steelag70 says:

    Story of the 2013 Buccos…offense can go cold at a moment’s notice…

  582. Jandy says:

    Good advice

  583. Bob Hasis says:

    The remarks are true, and in 168 games CH hasn’t figured it out yet

  584. cmat0829 says:

    easy War Horse…. here’s the deal.. Marte, if he doesn’t dive, keeps running (he is fast on his feet) and he fields the ball… I think Carpenter, ever hustling, gets a double.

  585. OldSoldier21 says:

    How about that, a guy who can actually hit to the opposite field with a shift for a pull. What a concept……

  586. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Marte saved a base runner on a ball that Tabata jogs after.

  587. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    This is very reminiscent of Games 6 & 7 against Atlanta in 1991.
    I hate it when history repeats itself.

  588. Jandy says:

    that decides it for me!

  589. Steelag70 says:


  590. cmat0829 says:

    perfect analogy. in that game, the Cards tied it up, twice, and I’ll take that at this point for our Buccos.

  591. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Then again the Braves were down 2-0 in Game 7 in 1992…..

  592. cmat0829 says:

    first time he has successfully done it this series, not that he hasn’t tried, including a bunt attempt or two.

  593. Jandy says:

    Bullch*t Bob. Just friggin drop it. It’s old and tired.

  594. OldSoldier21 says:

    E-5, runners on 2nd and 3rd……

  595. theplanisworking says:

    Hate to say it………… the pressure is getting to them.

  596. Barb says:

    Salt meet wound.

  597. J Walter Weatherman says:

    One team is slightly better than the other.

  598. The Justice Avenger says:

    cole needs to clamp down here and get a strikeout…

  599. Steelag70 says:

    Damnit…falling apart under the pressure…..

  600. pattonbb says:

    This is the game.
    Right here.

  601. cmat0829 says:

    well, this is big. not sure we can afford 2 more runs.

  602. Dom says:

    There’s nothing slight about it.

  603. Barb says:

    Not you too.

  604. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Which is what I meant by fielding the ball of course. Shouldn’t have to explain how to field a ball in the OF. Or anywhere for that matter.

  605. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Cole….

  606. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Just saying it’s not a total death sentence to be down 2-0

  607. Dom says:

    I think it’s time to warm up liriano

  608. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Need a big strikeout here…

  609. War Horse says:

    Hurdle just said on the air (TBS interview) that “it was an easy triple (if Starling doesn’t make the catch).” I think he was a little closer than you, Ryan. Let’s let it go.

  610. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Gerrit…don’t fade now…..

  611. OldSoldier21 says:

    The way the Bucs have been hitting the past two games, I am not sure they could afford the first two runs……

  612. theplanisworking says:

    Sorry Barb……….. hoping for the best, seeing the worst right now.

  613. cmat0829 says:

    wow, adams almost ran into a double play for us… well if you call that running

  614. Barb says:

    Yes! We are not the only ones who make dumb base running moves. Thank you SRU own Matt Adams.

  615. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Or that. Great play. Slips or not he’s toast.

  616. OldSoldier21 says:

    Nah, Pedro has been known to throw a few away – nothing new….

  617. Bob Hasis says:

    How did Pedro expect to make that tag – standing 3 feet in front of third?

  618. cmat0829 says:

    the grounds crew will be busy filling in the huge crevace Adams left when he fell between 3B and home…

  619. War Horse says:

    No, cmat. Marte doesn’t keep running because he had to dive, get it? DIVE, to make the catch. Yes, he’s fast on his feet, but not when he’s on his belly. Give it up, please.

  620. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Does that mean More-NO scores game winning run?

    I’m cool with that

  621. Patrick(ri) says:

    That escape should be an insiration!

  622. pattonbb says:


  623. Barb says:

    That’s the way to do it Gerrit. Strike out the side.

  624. JRay3 says:

    Absolutely Huge escape by Cole and Pirates, keeps game within striking distance.

  625. cmat0829 says:

    Milke Matheny called… he said that was a big momentum shifting inning right there. And he’s gonna be right.

  626. theplanisworking says:

    Gerrit Cole, Ladies and Germs.

  627. Dom says:

    Fast ball gets us out of it.

  628. OldSoldier21 says:

    Cole works out of the jam. Way to pick up Petey, hopefully, he returns the favor this inning!

  629. Milo Hamilton says:

    Since Sunday, we have two hits.

  630. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Are they even going to play Iginla this series???
    Why trade for him if you aren’t going to let him play?

  631. The Justice Avenger says:

    nice by cole

  632. Jandy says:

    Nice SO!

  633. Barb says:


  634. cmat0829 says:

    huge, Adams, heh-heh-heh… yea that was HUGE>

  635. Lad 9 says:

    Love that emotion. Lets go now Buccos!

  636. War Horse says:

    Thanks, JRay. You saw it correctly. As did Hurdle. Andvmost everybody else ‘cept a couple of bloggers here.

  637. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    A 2 seamer at 98?

    Throw nothing but that. Tell them its coming. Unhittable

  638. Steelag70 says:

    Wow….like When Mean Joe said in the preseason when Franco ran it 75 yds for a TD…”WE got us one!”

  639. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Whatever happens this game, Cole is a pitcher to be excited about in the coming years. If Taillon, Kingham, and Glasnow continue to trend well, the pitching staff will be ridiculous in 2015-2016.

  640. cmat0829 says:

    yes but Russell Martin is very thankful Adams slipped and didn’t decide to try to barrel him over…. ouch that would have been awful.

  641. OldSoldier21 says:

    Byrd, Alvarez and Martin due up, I like this part of the order for a couple runs…….

  642. Steelag70 says:

    If that doesn’t fire up the offense, nothing will!

  643. Dom says:

    We got to at least get nine runs this inning or its over.

  644. Lad 9 says:

    LOL. good one cmat

  645. cmat0829 says:

    COLE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trevor bauer.

    That is all.

  646. War Horse says:

    BS, cmat. How can you field a line drive on a bounce when you have to dive to get to it? Have you ever played the outfield? (I doubt it.)

  647. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  648. Dom says:

    One pitch. One out.

  649. Patrick(ri) says:

    Is Stockton drunk? Says Holliday got that one.

  650. Steelag70 says:

    ++…and I have Cole, Fernandez and Verlander on my fantasy baseball team…keeper league….

  651. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I was gonna go there, but wanted to throw you a bone

  652. Dom says:

    Yeah it was beltran

  653. The Justice Avenger says:

    need a run to help settle the bucs down. take some pressure off…

  654. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Off the plate. Molina got him that strike. Glove didn’t move

  655. Steelag70 says:

    I remember a few Bucco fans who were saying how the Buccos should have taken Bauer….not me….

  656. Milo Hamilton says:

    Picked the wrong time for the offense to go into a coma, again.

  657. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    My 5 year got that one

  658. Jandy says:


  659. OldSoldier21 says:

    Oy vey, nobody looked good that inning. Damn……

  660. Steelag70 says:

    Buccos just have no offense….

  661. Dom says:

    I say we in Mercer next inning in order to get as much production as possible.

  662. OldSoldier21 says:

    Time to start drinking……

  663. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Picked wrong day to smoking

  664. pattonbb says:

    Even when Wainwright hangs the curve, they can’t do anything with it. Incredible.

    If I was Hurdle, I’d ask the umps to check the ball then search the pitcher. Just for the hell of it. Maybe rattle him. 2 runs might be enough for them tonight.

  665. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  666. J Walter Weatherman says:

    The Pirates said all the right things about changing their hitting approach in this game. They’re doing the exact same things. That’s because they’re a mediocre hitting team, just as they have been all season. Not impressed by Jay Bell.

  667. Patrick(ri) says:

    2 1 hitters to close out a series — ever been done in MLB history? No way to go down.

  668. cmat0829 says:

    Keep battling Buccos… hated Byrd swinging at a first pitch CURVE BALL… first pitch swing at fastball = good. otherwise = bad.

    pedro looks good at the plate…. he was jobbed by Jim Joyce on the strike 3 call.

    Keep it close guys… 2-0 is not over by a long shot…. yes, they don’t look good now, but that can all change in a hurry.

  669. Steelag70 says:

    Two hits in last 14 innings…unbelieveable…

  670. J Walter Weatherman says:

    This. No reason to leave Barmes in game.

  671. Dom says:

    I’m guessing this will probably be Cole’s last inning regardless of how well he does.

  672. florida steeler says:

    Hey, we all knew that the Bucs’ lack of offense would eventually get them. If they don’t pull it out tonite, it has been a great year by an over achieving team that has few hitters in the lineup.

  673. cmat0829 says:

    that’s why i’m glad any number of internet experts aren’t the GM.

  674. JRay3 says:

    It’s is really too bad as Cards have not really hit ball either with just six, but the two 2 run HR’s are proving to be difference.

  675. Steelag70 says:

    Going out with a whimper…..

  676. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    What AFN back up and running??

    Government shutdown my butt…

    Everyone needs to YouTube Howie Longs speech on that from last Sunday.


  677. Lad 9 says:

    Those two clowns on the mic didn’t even notice it was well outside…

  678. Steelag70 says:

    Time to unload the bench….

  679. pattonbb says:

    Who’s up in the bullpen?

    Somebody better be throwing.

  680. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Are you kidding me?


  681. Milo Hamilton says:

    Maybe Dirk Hayhurst has a suggestion. Then again, maybe not.

  682. J Walter Weatherman says:

    If there was a game changing bat on the bench, I’d agree. At this point, it’s more important to have damage control – prevent more Cards runs. If Cole coasts through this inning, leave him in.

  683. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    No its not

  684. cmat0829 says:

    well, we are in the 5th inning… hopefully Cole gets through 1-2-3…then it will be the 6th…. time to crack open the pinch-hitters…starting with Harrison leading off in place of Barmes.

    I think it may also be time to think about pinch-hitting for Cole… though if Josh gets on, you can bunt Gerrit….

    I’d have Wilson ready to pitch the 6th (or Watson).

  685. Dom says:

    I disagree but good point.

  686. Steelag70 says:

    Have to try something to get some offense going….

  687. OldSoldier21 says:

    He is only @ 69 pitches, I say he sees the 6th.

  688. The Justice Avenger says:

    cole is really on now…just need the batters to come through

  689. pattonbb says:

    Don’t take the bait. Spit it out.

  690. Dom says:

    100 MPH on that last fastball.

  691. Jandy says:


  692. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    So glad you’re here tonight buddy…..

    I thought it was 9-0 for a minute

  693. Steelag70 says:

    Damn! What a talent…..

  694. Steelag70 says:

    Really hate seeing the offense let him down…..

  695. cmat0829 says:

    if this were a basketball or football game, a team in the PIrates position would be trying to make it a game late into the 4th quarter… with all the intangibles on the Cards side, you sometimes want to put yourself in position to grab the game late.

    The Bucs are in this game… 4 innings to go but they absolutely can jump up and steal this one away. It took a 2 out walk and one bad pitch to put the Cards ahead out of nowhere… the same can happen to Wainwright.

  696. Dom says:

    So, would you leave Cole in or pinch hit?

  697. JRay3 says:

    Cole is trying to will his team, future is very bright for him…now let’s get the kid some darn runs.

  698. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Depends on the hitting situation. 2 outs, none on. He hits

  699. Jandy says:

    friggin %^#!

  700. OldSoldier21 says:

    1,2,3 go the Cards. Onto the 6th……

  701. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nothing on the bench will do that

  702. JohninOshkosh says:

    If the Pirates only had Alex Rios.

  703. pattonbb says:

    He probably has as good of a chance to get a hit as anyone on the bench. Leave him in.

  704. Jandy says:

    Leave him in of course, no question at this point.

  705. OldSoldier21 says:

    I leave him in. But, I don’t get paid to make that decision (thank God)…..

  706. Lad 9 says:

    “Save it nerds”

  707. cmat0829 says:

    Cole. Liriano. Taillon. Morton. Any#of5thStarterOptions.
    Grilli. Melancon. Watson. Wilson. Gomez. Morris.

    I’ll take our pitching staff in 2014, thank you very much.

  708. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Oh no. I like this crap too much….

  709. OldSoldier21 says:

    Well, he is out producing Walker in hits and RBIs

  710. Steelag70 says:

    They had better start…3rd time through vs Wainwright coming up…

  711. Nate83 says:

    No matter what happens tonight I’m sure of one thing. Cole will be a really good pitcher for the Pirates going forward for at least 4 or 5 years. He has shown he can rise to the occassion and be the type of pitcher this organization hasn’t seen in a long time. I admittingly didn’t think he would be this good this year. As he developes his off speed pitches he will be really tough.

  712. JohninOshkosh says:

    Did not mean to put this here.

  713. The Justice Avenger says:

    we saw the pirates in may and june be one of the best comeback teams in the majors…NEED to see that return in the next few innings.

  714. JRay3 says:

    For me I’d leave him in, still early and he can handle the bat himself. He probably has one to two innings left in him.

  715. Lad 9 says:

    Let him hit

  716. Milo Hamilton says:

    Love the lack of urgency.

  717. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  718. The Justice Avenger says:

    cole coming out for jones

  719. Steelag70 says:

    Interesting to see if Wilson gets a shot as a SP….and maybe Wandy could be the #5 starter….

  720. Arriba Wilver says:

    Well, the Garret Jobes lovers will get their wish. Hope it works out,

  721. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Really disagree with these stupid decisions. PH for Barmes, not Cole. Heck, Cole might be a better hitter than Barmes (kidding … slightly).

  722. cmat0829 says:

    Barmes, good recognition that pitch 2 was a slow curve…..good job following it down to the ground with your eyes…. BAD swinging at the @($*#(&*$*)(W&$)( pitch.

  723. Arriba Wilver says:

    Garrett Jones

  724. Steelag70 says:

    Tip of the hat Gerrit….great season….

  725. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Theres your answer.

    Wilson up. Jones on deck.

    I’m cool with it. Especially if Barmes gets on. Though I may want Garrets power later on.

  726. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Smashed that one….

  727. Dom says:

    I’d pinch hit tabata Not Jones

  728. cmat0829 says:

    base hit barmes. STFD anyone who bitched about him batting here.

  729. pattonbb says:

    “I would’ve pinch hit for Barmes, instead.” This is what I was about to type.

    My name is pattonbb, and I am a homer.

  730. Nate83 says:

    Rosenthal didn’t exactly look dominate in the 9th last game. Hopefully Wainwright has to give up the ball at some point.

  731. Jandy says:

    that’s the way to do it, Side Car :)

  732. The Justice Avenger says:


  733. OldSoldier21 says:

    Barmes! Cole is done as GI Jones is in for a pinch hitter.

  734. Arriba Wilver says:

    We’re down 2 runs. Have to pinch hit,

  735. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Glad when I’m wrong in that instance. Make me really wrong Garrett.

  736. JRay3 says:

    And Barmes starts an inning off, ok good start.

  737. cmat0829 says:

    nope got to go with HR threat when you have the chance to tie.

  738. War Horse says:

    Atta boy, Clint.

  739. Steelag70 says:

    Come on G.I……

  740. Jandy says:


  741. The Justice Avenger says:

    first pitch…damn…

  742. OldSoldier21 says:

    And Jones flies out on the first pitch……

  743. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Off the bat thought he had it. Down on the label.

  744. Dom says:

    Who else was rooting for them to collide?

  745. Lad 9 says:

    Hee hee

  746. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Last AB for Jones as a Pirate?

  747. Jandy says:

    chit go with Snider.

  748. cmat0829 says:

    Liked Garrett during his time here, but he’s done. Terrible pinch-hitter because he is too damn anxious. He would’ve swung at that pitch if Wainwright threw it into the dugout. Jammed himself, and Wainwright absolutely knew it.

  749. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    1st fastball. That’s OK

  750. Jandy says:


  751. Steelag70 says:

    Damnit….can’t catch any breaks tonight folks….

  752. theplanisworking says:

    Kidding me……………….

  753. Lad 9 says:

    I yelled collide and was chastised by my kid…

  754. Dom says:

    Awful just awful.

  755. OldSoldier21 says:

    Matre GIDP. Well, they have 9 outs to go in the 2013 season, unless they start hitting the ball……..

  756. Steelag70 says:

    So long G.I. Jones…glad we knew ya…..

  757. Patrick(ri) says:

    Tabata could have done that.

  758. Jandy says:


  759. JohninOshkosh says:

    That inning sucked.

    See you in Bradenton, boys.

  760. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I don’t have a problem with1st pitch fastball swinging. Jammed though.

    But I agree he’s gone.

  761. J Walter Weatherman says:

    After the Cards score a couple runs off the Pirates bullpen in the next couple of innings, the decision to pull Cole there will be the most talked-about decision after the game.

  762. Steelag70 says:


  763. Dom says:

    Your kid has a point. We’re awful people.

  764. Steelag70 says:

    Yep…game, set match…Cards….

  765. Jandy says:

    what he said!

  766. Milo Hamilton says:

    If Clint Barmes has half of your hits – you lost.

  767. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Nice one

  768. Steelag70 says:

    Doubt it…

  769. Dom says:

    The out countdown is on for the cards.

  770. 21sthebest says:

    You can’t bat Cole there.

  771. Jandy says:

    nah..just human :)

  772. florida steeler says:

    Marte–.136, Walker–.70 and Hurdle makes no changes when the series is one and done–brilliant.

  773. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Good one

  774. Thundercrack says:

    I know I am posting this after the fact:

    But why not have Cole bunt there?

  775. cmat0829 says:

    how cool is to not really have to fret over re-signing AJ (I’m for it, btw)… or for Wandy to be completely healthy (obviously I hope so as he is exercising his option)… or for Locke to get IT back (I think he will)….or for Gomez to get stretched out and start (I think he could and would do well).. or for Cumpton to just do what he did this year, give the Bucs serviceable starts in the 5th spot…..

    so many options, we didn’t even get to having to re-set Justin as a starter.

    And I left Pimental off by mistake, he’s a big arm for that bullpen also.

  776. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  777. OldSoldier21 says:

    This offensive display should not surprise any of us. It has been their weak spot all year.

  778. Lad 9 says:

    Guilty as charged

  779. Redfly says:

    Cards simply superior to bucs

  780. Patrick(ri) says:

    Maybe, but I was shocked Clint din’t use Cole to bunt.

  781. Steelag70 says:

    Well….great season Buccos….thanks for the memories and making baseball relevant and exciting again in Pirate Nation….

  782. Jandy says:

    AGree, Nate

  783. pattonbb says:

    What Would Joe Madden Do?

  784. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Hurdle is absolutely was the team needed the past few years. However, I’m not convinced he has the strategic wherewithal to help take this team to the next level.

  785. Steelag70 says:

    I would be doing that too if I were them…no fight from the Bucco offense…making it too easy for Wainwright….

  786. irishjim says:


  787. Dom says:

    Let’s enjoy it whilewe can.

  788. Redfly says:

    Bucs played took this as far as they could. This game felt like a loss for the last couple of days. It was predicted to be a loss and will be a loss. Bucs may not get 1 run. No way they get 2. It’s been a formality since the 3rd inning.

  789. Nate83 says:

    Nice outing by Cole. I think he had plenty left in the tank. I agree with Thunder. Maybe have him bunt in that spot.

  790. The Justice Avenger says:

    i am just so against swinging at the first pitch. make the pitcher throw you some pitches. i just my dad taught me that.

  791. Nate83 says:

    Use 9 pitchers and make this a 4 and half hour game.

  792. J Walter Weatherman says:

    If the Cards don’t score in the next couple of innings, I’ll happily admit I was wrong.

  793. lupesanchez says:

    Cole was in a groove and he could have bunted and prevented the DP. If Walker grounds to first, fine but to put the bat in Jones’ hands at that point reeks of “one lucky swing” desperation.

    Instead, first pitch fly out. Ugh.

  794. cmat0829 says:

    My thought? You always go for the chance, if you have it, for a tying HR on the road, especially if you haven’t show the ability to string together hits vs. a pitcher. To me the decision was would you rather see if Jones could get into one, or see if Marte & Walker could single in Barmes to halve the lead.

    Me? I go with Jones pinch-hitting 100% of the time.

  795. Redfly says:

    Wainright is beautiful to watch.

  796. Jandy says:

    yup. Too late now.

  797. cmat0829 says:

    one lucky swing desparation is exactly right. And was exactly right decision.

  798. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Save this post for the last out.

    On the bright side, you said they’d win the series after game 1.

  799. Milo Hamilton says:

    Because Marte & Walker are 1 for 35 ?

  800. The Justice Avenger says:

    interesting thought, but, i disagree…

  801. Steelag70 says:

    It’s been a great and unforgettable season…with a brighter future….too bad it has to end tonight….

  802. cmat0829 says:

    didn’t even wait til the end of game 1, i think when the cards had their first lead, he proclaimed the series over.

  803. Jandy says:

    But Milo, he’s just a side car…

  804. J Walter Weatherman says:

    I think Cole had more hits over the past month than Jones.

  805. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    If he doesn’t go for that ball (diving) he cuts it off….(not diving)

  806. OldSoldier21 says:

    Wilson issues a dreaded 2 out walk to Molina. Hold on folks, this could get ugly…….

  807. lupesanchez says:

    just collide and be dazed for 30 seconds while the ball sits in right center. not wishing any injury. we’re fine people.

  808. JohninOshkosh says:

    Hurdle has to pull Fleury here.

  809. cmat0829 says:

    partially, yes. plus because wainwright has been tough to get hits off of through the whole lineup tonight.

  810. pattonbb says:

    Hey Clint,

    GET HIM OUT OF THERE!!!!!!!!

  811. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Close to it

  812. theplanisworking says:

    Good Lord.

  813. OldSoldier21 says:

    3-0 Cards. 2 out walk bites Wilson.

  814. florida steeler says:

    Horrible managing tonight.

  815. Jandy says:


  816. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Hmmm … I’m sure everyone will stick to their guns, but I feel vindicated.

  817. Patrick(ri) says:

    Another 2 out walk sets up the score.

  818. Milo Hamilton says:

    It might as well be 300-0.

  819. Steelag70 says:


  820. Dom says:

    That 2-0 pitch was called a strike all day.

  821. cmat0829 says:

    8 bounce single to right field by the highest paid singles hitter in baseball….. then a walk…. then another 5+ bounce single to center by Pirate-killer John freaking Jay…. and it’s getting close to being too big of a hole, folks….

  822. lupesanchez says:

    disagree. score was 2-0. Cole was grooving. if we scratch out one run that inning, whole new ballgame. Now, not so much.

  823. JRay3 says:

    That was a rather weak attempt by Wilson to try and stop that ball, going to take a miracle now.

  824. Jandy says:

    Pulling Cole bites the Buccos

  825. Steelag70 says:

    Buccos wilting in crunch time…pressure is too much for them…

  826. lupesanchez says:

    yes, i agree.

  827. Dom says:

    Why is Mazzarro coming in?

  828. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Didn’t have a problem with the walk to Molina. Jay not good. Lefty/lefty match up

  829. Steelag70 says:

    Already is down 3-0….Cards chilling the champagne….

  830. lupesanchez says:

    EXACT same pitch they rung Pedro on.

  831. Barb says:

    Well I am watching my Law and Order:SVU. My heart can’t take this game anymore.

  832. Playoffs by 2012 says:
  833. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  834. Patrick(ri) says:

    Good news tonight is obvious: Cole. Bad news tonight: Marte is not ready for prime time, though I hedge that judgement to see what he does with a fully healed hand.

  835. OldSoldier21 says:

    Yeppers, I wanted to keep our ACE in the game. He would still be in there if the Bucs were hitting the ball….. I understand the decision, I just don’t like it…….

  836. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    That’ll work

  837. Steelag70 says:

    1991 all over again….

  838. Dom says:

    Guess I shouldn’t have complained about him.

  839. War Horse says:

    You may be surprised by what happens next.

  840. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  841. 21sthebest says:

    I can’t believe Hurdle had Cole hang that curveball to Freese after he told him to walk Jay.

  842. Steelag70 says:

    Why?? They haven’t been able to do anything at the plate…when players start to press that is the same as not handling the pressure…trying to do too much….

  843. Milo Hamilton says:

    I don’t know. They’ve shown the ability to hit like little leaguers when there’s no pressure on too.

  844. Nate83 says:

    You more then likely are correct and that is partially why I’m not going to rip Hurdle for the pinch hit decision. I probably would have bunted Cole but the way Wainwright is pitching 1 or 2 runs may be all we could get tonight so taking a chance with Jones is understandable.

  845. JohninOshkosh says:

    I can’t envision any scenario or any universe where the Pirates come back from three runs.

    Good night, friends. Enjoyed sharing the season with you all.

  846. Steve J. Smith says:

    Before they scored their third run of the night, I had the thought that I recall the Braves were down 2-0 at some point in that game seven. This offense needs to get off their arses and start putting together great ABs and score some freakin runs. Three innings to get three runs. HIT THE BALL!

  847. cmat0829 says:


  848. Milo Hamilton says:

    Couldn’t have emoted it better myself.

  849. OldSoldier21 says:

    :( :( :(

  850. Jandy says:

    stick around Oshie. Our boys gave us a helluva season.

  851. Steelag70 says:

    Night John…enjoyed it….good luck to the Badgers from here on out….

  852. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, silence is good too………

  853. Jandy says:

    I have a question…

  854. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Complain about something else!!

  855. florida steeler says:

    Walker has NO confidence at the plate and looks confused.

  856. theplanisworking says:

    Muppet, you have a way with words.

  857. theplanisworking says:


  858. Jandy says:

    If Barmes is a Side Car, is Walker a Saddle bag?

  859. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    You know I have an answer

  860. Dom says:

    Considering how much this has been going in our favor, I’ve had nothing to complain about.

  861. cmat0829 says:

    i’d hold off on that hall of fame plaque for Matt Carpenter… decent 2B, but he is gonna regress to the mean big time at the plate (it started in this series) and he is a serviceable at best fielder.

  862. Jandy says:

    since when do you hold back?

  863. Steelag70 says:

    At least we have doubled our hit output tonight…

  864. theplanisworking says:

    A Fanny pouch.

  865. OldSoldier21 says:

    2 infield singles and Pedro comes up with 2 men on base……

  866. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Pedro Pedro Pedro

  867. Dom says:

    What luck!

  868. Lad 9 says:

    Ok tee it up Pedro.

  869. cmat0829 says:

    what an AWFUL play and decision by Kozma…. TIME FOR PEDRO TO MAKE THEM PAY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  870. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Things are a little interesting at this moment …

  871. Patrick(ri) says:

    The “it” lives! Make em pay.

  872. OldSoldier21 says:

    Let us PRAY……

  873. Steelag70 says:

    Cutch has even been hit with the cold spell too…ugghh…

  874. Jandy says:

    OK everybody…send positive vibe NOW!

  875. Steve J. Smith says:


  876. JRay3 says:

    If ever there was a time for Pedro to run into one……

  877. Milo Hamilton says:

    Probably our last best chance.

  878. cmat0829 says:

    do you put in the lefty to face Pedro?? i would

  879. Jandy says:


  880. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Petey…do what you do when Cole pitches…..

  881. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Oh I hold back…

    Big time

  882. pattonbb says:

    Pedro will see nothing but breaking balls

  883. Thundercrack says:

    Pedro will swing as hard as he ever has

  884. Dom says:

    The best I can do is to stop posting

  885. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Wainwright will only throw curveballs to Pedro, if he’s smart.

  886. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s not going to see a fastball, is he ?

  887. cmat0829 says:

    hes gonna have to hit the curveball

  888. Steelag70 says:

    At least it would get Wainwright out of there….

  889. J Walter Weatherman says:

    That was the pitch … ugh

  890. cmat0829 says:

    wow. he DID get a fastball…wow.

  891. Dom says:

    The greatest time call of all time.

  892. cmat0829 says:

    we are alive…. we are alive…. we are alive….

  893. theplanisworking says:


    Weird play that goes our way.

  894. Jandy says:

    Hot DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!

  895. Dom says:


  896. Steve J. Smith says:

    Finally some freaking luck with the ball off the bag. 3-1 now.

  897. Patrick(ri) says:

    IT X 2!!!

  898. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Not ideal, but I’ll take it

  899. OldSoldier21 says:

    PEDRO drives in a run on a very weird hop. Bucs on the board!!!!! Martin comes to the plate.

  900. JRay3 says:

    That will work, now if ever there was a time for Martin to run into one….

  901. Baywatch says:

    I change my mind about Brenly. He’s pretty annoying. Go, Pedro! It’s a start!

  902. Jandy says:

    a bounce our way

  903. The Justice Avenger says:

    golden opportunity….

  904. cmat0829 says:

    time for CLUTCH MARTIN to put one in the gap…oh to see EL Toro scamper….

  905. Jandy says:

    Pedro makes history

  906. Steelag70 says:

    Come on Russ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  907. OldSoldier21 says:

    Well, down by 2 with 6 outs to go…….

  908. The Justice Avenger says:

    first pitch…yet again! :(

  909. Thundercrack says:

    That freakin shift saved the Cardinals. Another run may have scored

  910. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Hmmm, that run last inning, given up by the Pirates bullpen (not Cole), is looking pretty big now.

  911. Dom says:

    Way to swing at the first pitch again

  912. JRay3 says:

    Well a big run, and it also ensures Bucs will get to middle of order one more time.

  913. Jandy says:

    we’re not skunked

  914. cmat0829 says:

    damn, first pitch swinging bites again. I understand it, but you have to just know it’s a pitch you can drive….

    well, we got a run…. 2 more chances to tie this up.

  915. Steelag70 says:

    So the Cardinals have to wait until game 5 to use the shifts…uggghhhh…

  916. cmat0829 says:

    another point for the shift, just sayin

  917. Steelag70 says:

    BP has to hold up…

  918. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Sticking with the motorcycle them, he might be a pair of ass less chaps.

    Still holding back

  919. Steelag70 says:

    Guess Pedro is the only one who knows how to drive in runs right now…

  920. Arriba Wilver says:

    We’re not done,

  921. cmat0829 says:

    Lets get the Cards out….then I think you have to pinch-hit Harrison for Barmes…. then either Gaby if Josh gets on, or Mercer if he doesn’t.

    You may also consider holding Gaby back to pinch hit for Marte, hope perhaps you get 2 runners on…..

  922. Dom says:

    Let’s change Clint with Mercer and sterling with tabby

  923. OldSoldier21 says:

    Barmes, PH and Marte due up for the Bucs…..

  924. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Dude I thought this game was over?

    Picky picky…

  925. Steelag70 says:

    Ok…BP doing it’s job….

  926. Steve J. Smith says:

    Cutch said after game one that they didn’t follow the game plan, or got away from it. They have not done a very good job at that game plan tonight either. Too many first pitch swings at balls they should let go, and no swings at pitches right down the middle, then still too many swings at those very bad breaking balls. Frustrating! Top of the 8th. Let’s get some more runs!

  927. J Walter Weatherman says:

    I’m glad there are so many good options on the bench (sarcasm).

  928. The Justice Avenger says:

    well my wife is heading off to bed. she told me to come and wake her up and tell her “we raised the jolly roger”. I sure …sure…sure hope so.

  929. Milo Hamilton says:

    Walks are killing them these last two games. Beltran walked ahead of Holliday’s homer. Tonight Jay walked ahead of Freese’s homer. And Wilson walked the run he gave up.

  930. OldSoldier21 says:

    Tabata in for Barmes has like a .360 average against Wainwrigt….

  931. OldSoldier21 says:

    Well, that didn’t work….

  932. cmat0829 says:

    Gaby for Marte, if it were me….

  933. Jandy says:

    That and the fact that our bats are too cold.

  934. OldSoldier21 says:

    Mercer does his job with a bloop to right.

  935. JRay3 says:

    Ok Mercer gets the bloop, and brings thing run to plate now can we get the blast?

  936. cmat0829 says:

    BUNT BUNT BUNT please

  937. Jandy says:

    Nice hit Jordy!

  938. Dom says:

    Anything but a DP

  939. OldSoldier21 says:

    Sanchez against a RHP???? Really?

  940. Steelag70 says:

    Looks like it’s Wainwright’s to win or lose…don’t see Matheny pulling him…

  941. Steelag70 says:

    Nice Jordy…..come on Buccos… me I was wrong….

  942. Jandy says:


  943. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Bad call

  944. theplanisworking says:

    He was safe!

  945. OldSoldier21 says:

    Marte lines in to a DP. :( :( :( :(

  946. Dom says:

    Spoke too soon.

  947. Jandy says:

    we just got robbed again…

  948. Milo Hamilton says:

    Really ?

  949. War Horse says:

    Very bad call!

  950. Jandy says:

    Umps want to go home.

  951. Patrick(ri) says:

    Too bad, now we start the 9th with an out.

  952. florida steeler says:

    Where do they get these umpires?? How could he miss that call??

  953. JRay3 says:

    Marte having a series to forget at the plate, 1-19 from your lead off hitter. Season down to final crack at it.

  954. Lad 9 says:

    Yes he was.

  955. Steelag70 says:

    Jesus…come on guys…damn…second time in the game, reallY?????

  956. The Justice Avenger says:

    Here is what my hope was: Sure…I would have loved to see he Pirates in the NLCS, but, I really wantedt o beat our foes in the Central Division in this playoff series. We took care of the Reds and I really wanted o see them do the same with the cards.

  957. cmat0829 says:

    yes, my managerial style, just so you know, is to go for the tying HR late in the game when you have the chance. Marte has done nothing so roll the dice with Gaby.

  958. Arriba Wilver says:

    Adams even seemed surprised he got it. Pretty telling.

  959. Jandy says:

    you’re not surprised are you, Milo?

  960. Steelag70 says:

    Oh well…great season anyway….

  961. Jandy says:

    I’m disappointed with tonight’s game…but our boys gave us a helluva season.

  962. Steelag70 says:

    Just wasn’t meant to be….

  963. Arriba Wilver says:

    To be fair, though, in slo-mo, it was VERY close.

  964. cmat0829 says:

    wouldn’t call that “lines” ..that was a weak flair…..

  965. Steve J. Smith says:

    Been saying it all year that walks have killed this team. The last two games have really highlighted that. Umps have started to steer toward giving the Cards all the calls now to just get this game over. Wouldn’t want to call the game even and give the little guy a chance. Is Tony LaRussa still coaching the Cards. They always give the Cards calls when he coached.

  966. theplanisworking says:

    Cant win 9 on 13.
    I pray the next commissioner has the balls to address the umpire issue.
    Hell, who am I kidding………..

  967. Thundercrack says:

    Where’s the AGH Cam when you need it?

  968. Nancy52 says:

    Same way he missed the double steal at third before.

  969. Milo Hamilton says:

    Guess I shouldn’t be.

  970. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Brenly, you’re reaching. Pirates got hosed.


  971. pattonbb says:

    He was out.

  972. Steelag70 says:

    Or when the bats all go cold at once…

  973. cmat0829 says:

    yes and jordy’s slide wasn’t good… seemed it took his foot like an about an hour to reach the bag.. .plus for whatever reason his foot went up and then down as opposed to just directly into the bag.

    That said the ump brought his arms up in the safe position then said, ah, what the hell, let’s go with out. Stupid Paul Blart, Mall Cop.

  974. florida steeler says:

    You must remember–many of these umpires have been promoted on diversity.

  975. Steelag70 says:

    This sucks…

  976. Arriba Wilver says:

    Game over.

  977. Dom says:

    That’s all she wrote

  978. OldSoldier21 says:

    Nice season guys, thanks for the memories. They far exceeded my expectations…….

  979. Steelag70 says:

    Sick of the Cardinals now….hope Dodgers beat the snot out of them…

  980. Jandy says:

    That’s the game.

  981. Milo Hamilton says:

    Season was apparently a couple weeks too long for Mark Melancon.

  982. theplanisworking says:

    Thank You Pirates for a great 2013.

    Huntington will need to address the bats this offseason.

  983. J Walter Weatherman says:

    Well, maybe in the next couple of years the Pirates will be a better team than the Cards. Just not the case this year.

  984. Thundercrack says:

    There is a new “Big Country”

  985. Patrick(ri) says:

    If Searage is as good as I think he is, why can’t we figure out a way to keep Holliday from doing that to us? Something to work on for next year.

  986. Steelag70 says:


  987. cmat0829 says:

    FAT pitch to FAT ADAMS….and he devoured it.

  988. Barb says:

    Absolutely. Well I am going to call it a night and say Let’s go Dodgers beat the Red Commies.

  989. Thundercrack says:


  990. Steelag70 says:

    Can’t even win one game out of the last two?? Geez….

  991. Nancy52 says:

    Good night. It was a swell ride.

  992. florida steeler says:

    Melancon really caved the last three weeks of the season.

  993. OldSoldier21 says:

    Coles 2 ER in 5 innings. Bullpen 3 ER in 3 innings. Only Watson pitched a clean inning…..

  994. Steve J. Smith says:

    And with the moon shot by Adams, this one is over. Great season Bucs. Come back next year VERY HUNGRY! Martel and Walker picked a bad time to slump.

  995. Arriba Wilver says:

    Kind of an ignorant comment.

  996. Steelag70 says:

    Thanks for the memories Buccos….

  997. Arriba Wilver says:

    Strangely enough, I agree with you.

  998. Jandy says:

    yeah ???

  999. Dom says:

    The fairy tale is over. The pirates do deserve a lot of credit for going this far.

  1000. Milo Hamilton says:

    Now we brace ourselves for one of my least favorite things. The local media telling us how we should feel.

  1001. Jandy says:

    Night Barb

  1002. Steelag70 says:

    Hopefully the Buccos will learn from the Cards on how to close out a series…..

  1003. OldSoldier21 says:

    I don’t care. This is the only post season baseball I have watched since 1992.

  1004. Brandie says:

    And Matt Adams and a bad call… :(

  1005. theplanisworking says:


  1006. The Justice Avenger says:

    Ok, it’s all over now… Just wanted to say…this was a wonderful, wonderful season. This Pirates team brought back baseball in so many ways to our city and its fans. And for that..I want to say “Thanks!”. I hope they build on this year and we’ll be back in full force come April 2014…or spring training in February. You guys and gals, too, in this blog…thanks…it’s been fun and made so many new friends this summer. Talk soon and Good night.

  1007. Jandy says:

    Screw. I’ll feel the way I want to

  1008. pattonbb says:

    Good night, friends. It’s been a hell of a season. Was glad to share the highs and lows with many of you. Wish you all the best.

    Please beat LA, Cardinals. I can’t handle the Puig lovefest if he makes it to the series.

    Hope to hear from you Lunatics in the Spring.

    Fear the Bones in 2014. We’ll be back.

  1009. theplanisworking says:

    The Dodgers will mop the Cards up.
    Dodgers in 5

  1010. RenoBucs says:

    Heck of a seson by a heck of a team…looking forward to next year. Thanks to all on this blog for a fun and informative season….see you on the Pens Blog….GO BUCS!!!

  1011. J Walter Weatherman says:

    I don’t think I’ll watch anymore postseason baseball. I can’t stand any of the remaining teams. Good thing it’s football season … D’oh!

  1012. The Justice Avenger says:


  1013. Patrick(ri) says:

    Easy solution for that problem. Finding some guys who can hit and/or recognize a curveball, not so easy.

  1014. Jandy says:

    Well said, Justice! Night :)

  1015. Steelag70 says:


  1016. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    And that most likely is the ball game.

    1. Baseball season is over
    2. I don’t care who moves on from here
    3. Football season now starts. Hope the Steelers figure that out.
    4. Not really into hockey. Probably see you guys when the hot stove season begins.
    5. Very excited for the future. They’ll beback.
    6. Thanks Jones, Burnett, Barmes, Byrd, More-NO for their contributions this year.
    7. Pedro needs extended in the off season.
    8. Pirates need an everyday power hitting 1b. Cutch and Pedro can’t be the only ones that
    do it. Go get More-NO of old.

  1017. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tabata looked like he was falling on a live grenade.

  1018. Jandy says:

    Pop in on the hockey thread now and then patton

  1019. pattonbb says:

    And for the record, Tabata sucks.

  1020. J Walter Weatherman says:

    That’s an understatement. I’d say he imploded.

  1021. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not really a surprise when you think about it.

    Joe West has been an umpire for decades. (Yeah, I know he wasn’t behind the plate tonight)

  1022. Jay H says:

    No secret now – and I felt it in my gut Monday – the series was lost when they didn’t put the Cardinals away in Pittsburgh. Up two games to one and playing at home, you can’t let the series get back to St. Louis….because anything – like what is going on tonight – can happen

  1023. theplanisworking says:

    At least we have hockey season, Jandy!

  1024. Jandy says:

    Marte catches that ball :)

  1025. Arriba Wilver says:


  1026. Milo Hamilton says:

    Twice !

  1027. The Justice Avenger says:

    Cold comment…

  1028. Steelag70 says:

    I said it then too…Cards know how to put teams away…

  1029. theplanisworking says:

    This happened when he was the closer in Houston.
    Flamed out in September.

  1030. Patrick(ri) says:


  1031. Jandy says:

    lol yup

  1032. Thundercrack says:

    Grilli in

    Clint’s hair on fire?

  1033. Dom says:

    Look at the bright side. If the cardinals didn’t have such a successful innings,our season would be over.

  1034. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Shouldn’t have used him so much in the beginning of the season.

  1035. J Walter Weatherman says:

    The Pedro contract situation will be the most interesting dilemma this offseason. He’s going to demand about twice what Cutch is making.

  1036. OldSoldier21 says:

    7-1 Cards

  1037. Steelag70 says:

    Just wish they wouldn’t have imploded late in the game…

  1038. Arriba Wilver says:

    This is getting ugly.

  1039. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Barmes catches that standing up and turns two

  1040. Milo Hamilton says:

    100% correct.

  1041. OldSoldier21 says:

    6-1 one Stockton is drunk after all.

  1042. Steelag70 says:

    Jeebus…come on Buccos…this is silly now…

  1043. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Such BS statement

  1044. Arriba Wilver says:

    6-1, but who’s counting,

  1045. Jandy says:



  1046. Steelag70 says:

    Time for hockey….Let’s Go Pens!!

  1047. Arriba Wilver says:


  1048. Jandy says:

    doesn’t matter if it’s 2-1 3-1 or 10-1, if the bats aren’t getting it done…

  1049. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Willie Stargell said in the early Spring of 1979 —

    “You have to watch out for those teams that get real close, but just don’t make it. Those are the teams that you look out for in the next 2 years. They got close enough to taste it, and now they are hungry.”

    I’m paraphrasing, but you all get the idea.

  1050. Milo Hamilton says:

    Not really. He goes to arbitration & gets what the arbitrator gives him. Boras goes a year at a time.

  1051. Steelag70 says:

    Why? It was a true statement….

  1052. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Pops. Wrong spot.

    Carry on

  1053. Jandy says:

    AW, pfffftt!



  1054. Dom says:

    Great play by Mercer.

  1055. Jandy says:


  1056. OldSoldier21 says:

    Congratulations to the PBC, front office and players alike. Well done. Hopefully, next year will be a little bit better,

  1057. diehard says:

    A few thoughts between innings…
    Regardless of the outcome of this series (and we COULD still score 4 in the top of the 9th), it has been an amazing year. Truly amazing. I believed we could win 82+, but I didn’t imagine we’d be here.
    On the downside, and probably a little picky, but TBS’ announcers are fortunate they work on TV so people can see the game, because they miss so many simple details. They must have no monitors and an obstructed view. The Costas/Kaat crew in game 2 was great. The current guys are really, really bad.

  1058. J Walter Weatherman says:

    How much you wanna bet Cutch gets a hit here?

  1059. Milo Hamilton says:

    This game was over before it started, wasn’t it.

  1060. Dom says:

    2 outs to go.

  1061. Jandy says:

    yes, Playoffs we WILL be back next season.

  1062. Steve J. Smith says:

    Come on Tigers or A’s!

  1063. Jandy says:


  1064. irishjim says:

    Heck of a season. Beyond anybody’s expectations. Goodbye all.

  1065. Dom says:

    One out left in our season.

  1066. Jandy says:


  1067. Steelag70 says:


  1068. Jandy says:

    night irish

  1069. OldSoldier21 says:

    1 out to go. Who is going to the airport to welcome the team home? I guess they can ice the champagne until next year.

  1070. Arriba Wilver says:


  1071. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    And pops was supposed to be opps

  1072. Steelag70 says:

    Crappy way to go out….

  1073. Dom says:

    JM keeps it alive.

  1074. Jandy says:

    I’m gonna say g’night now…thanks Buccos for a magical season.
    Hold your heads high!!!!!

  1075. Arriba Wilver says:

    Did not expect Wainwright to throw a complete game tonight.

  1076. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Yup. No way he gets double Cutch.

  1077. Dom says:

    MB was the only batter to show up today.

  1078. theplanisworking says:

    Bye Nun.
    See you in the Hockey threads!

  1079. Jandy says:

    you sure will :)

  1080. Steelag70 says:

    I did…guy is money in the postseason…

  1081. J Walter Weatherman says:

    If I was Pedro, I’d pay Wainwright $3M+ to pitch curveballs to him this offseason until he figures it out.

  1082. Lad 9 says:

    My earliest life memory involves the Pirates. I have watched and coached for more years than I care to admit. I have never enjoyed a season of any sport more than this one. I love this team and I am very proud of them, and I see a very bright future. Thank you to management, players, fans, and you, my fellow lunatics, for making this special. For 2014 ..LETS GO BUCS!!!

  1083. Jandy says:

    Clint Barmes is NOT a side car >:<

  1084. cmat0829 says:

    Guys and girls, it’s been fun tonight and all season long. RAISE THE JOLLY ROGER, not for this game, but for this season. This team. This organization. And it’s fans.

    The Bucs accomplished a lot this year…. and they move to what NH knows is the ‘hard part’ …sustaining success and taking the next step. And I’ll be along for the ride, every last inning of it. Onward and upward.

  1085. OldSoldier21 says:

    Season over……. *sigh*

  1086. Jandy says:


  1087. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    No kinda about it.

    He’s had many, but that tops em all

  1088. Milo Hamilton says:


  1089. Steelag70 says:

    This, ladies and gents, is why the Cards are the Cards…they know how to finish…

  1090. Dom says:

    Monday was our night to win it but this season wasn’t meant to be.

  1091. The Justice Avenger says:

    By the way….I think we have a full blown rivalry going into next season…to be continued!

  1092. Lad 9 says:

    See ya tomorrow Jandy. :)

  1093. Dom says:

    It was the men against the boys today.

  1094. Jay H says:

    ….as the league leader in strikeouts………strikes out

  1095. Steelag70 says:

    Great season for Cutch, but sad to see him fade in the last two games…

  1096. theplanisworking says:

    Disappointed beyond words.

    Mr. Huntington, you see what you need to address this offseason.
    Now, go do it.

    I have no interest in any of the remaining teams, so this is the end of baseball for me this year.
    Thanks to all the posters who made this place special this year.

    On to hockey season.
    Good night all.

  1097. Lad 9 says:


  1098. Baywatch says:

    And, Steve (this one directed at Adams) “You PICKED a fine time to beat me you seal!” (Sung to the tune of Kenny Rogers’ “You Picked A Fine Time To Leave Me, Lucille!”)

  1099. Lad 9 says:

    Good night my friend.

  1100. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    94 wins
    Wild Card victory
    Oh so close to an NLDS victory.
    Nothing to be upset about this year.
    Nothing at all.

  1101. The Justice Avenger says:

    night all!

  1102. The Justice Avenger says:

    Right on!!!!

  1103. Dom says:

    I know we were up 2-1 in the series but I hope nobody calls this a choke. We were beaten by the better team.

  1104. Steelag70 says:

    The “IT” just wasn’t enough….

  1105. Milo Hamilton says:

    All the middle – middle fastballs that Yadier Molina was allowed to catch.

  1106. The Justice Avenger says:

    I remember it well…

  1107. Baywatch says:

    Good night, everybody! I had a good friend who knows how to make me laugh and pick me up when I’m down. He texted me, asking if Bob Brenly and Bill Cowher are brothers! LOL!

  1108. Thundercrack says:

    “Mr. Huntington, you see what you need to address this offseason.
    Now, go do it.”

    Is this the start of ‘Be Prepared To Be Underwhelmed” Part II ?

  1109. Steelag70 says:

    Cole Train gave all he had tonight….

  1110. Baywatch says:

    He even said he thought Pedro looks like Harold Baines! :-)

  1111. theplanisworking says:

    Is it the start of “Uber-defending the FO” Part infinity?

  1112. theplanisworking says:

    Is it the start of “Uber-defending the FO” Part infinity?

  1113. Steelag70 says:

    Yep…unbelieveable Milo…guess they didn’t stick with the game plan again…

  1114. Eric Bowser says:

    Great season…. will sting for tonight.

    Really sucks to collapse with a 2-1 series lead…. LOL – FIRE HURDLE!

  1115. JRay3 says:

    Did not want this ride to end, but the 2013 Pirates team brought so many joys and brought back a feeling that I had not had or felt in such a long time. And I know it was an amazing year because tonight hurts.

    In the same breath I have not been as excited about the future of this team as I am today and will look forward to Bradenton with an anticipation unlike most years.

    Enjoyed chatting and sharing this season with all of you, as it has made this journey all the more enjoyable….thanks!

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  1116. Steelag70 says:

    Hope Starling is able to rest that finger and let it heal….don’t think it ever really was right after he came back…

  1117. Steelag70 says:

    Hope Neil Walker gets things straightened out in the off season too…

  1118. Steelag70 says:

    Agreed Eric….lol.

  1119. camchuck says:

    We will be back…what a great year!

  1120. Lad 9 says:

    Right back at ya JRay. Enjoyed chatting with you and reading you all year. Thank you!

  1121. Jay H says:

    Curt Schilling on SportsCenter…….”The entire momentum on both sides of the field changed when he (Gerrit Cole) was gone.”

  1122. camchuck says:


  1123. steelkings says:


  1124. steelkings says:

    LF = Marte
    CF= McCutchen
    RF= ??????
    1st = ?????
    2nd = Walker
    SS = ????
    3rd = Alverez
    C = Sanchez

    Doesnt seem like a line up that will repeat next year

  1125. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I have one emotion right now, and it’s total anger.
    Not towards anyone with the Pirates….Just downright pissed to see a “not so great” Cardinal team move on.
    Just can’t stand the sight of anyone in St. Louis right now.
    I’ve never been a “good sport”, and I never will.

  1126. Dom says:

    I think short Will still be Mercer but you’re right. Too many holes.

  1127. Arriba Wilver says:


  1128. Doc says:

    RF= Polanco. Back-up OF Tabby
    SS= Jordy + all-glove back-up
    First is a HUGE question mark.
    I think this may be Pedro’s last year.
    Pitching seems set
    Overall though, much better than we have been in years

  1129. Arriba Wilver says:

    Maybe 2014 will be his last full year, but Pedro isn’t an FA until 2017.

    But you can kiss goodbye the long term deal.

  1130. DemonDachshund says:

    C = Martin – Signed a 2 year deal
    SS = Mercer – Showed enough to be given a shot IMO, can sign a defensive replacement/backup on the cheap for next year.

    Other 2 ????s were ????s all year until the trades. Hopefully at least one is addressed in the offseason. While I’m guessing he’ll get a huge paycheck elsewhere, a 2 year deal to Byrd would be fantastic IMO.

  1131. Nate83 says:

    SS is Mercer and he obviously will not be a step back from what we got this year. Catcher will still be Martin. Yes first and RF need to be addressed but there is an entire off season to take care of that. Not to mention if Tabata gave us what he did after the all star break he will be good enough until Polanco comes up sometime next year.

  1132. Naje says:

    DB…. understand the sentiment. Didn’t hear one nice word from Wainwright about the opposition… nothing about the team that took his team to the brink.

    That said, that not so great team hit for an all time record with RISP… an incredible amount of dribblers, nubbers, bloopers and bleeders… disgusting, yes. But somehow, some way, their hits find ridiculous spots on the field.

    Really disgusting.

  1133. Thundercrack says:

    Collapse from 2-1??!!

    You have got to be kidding me.
    I think Wacca and Wainwright might have played a role in that ‘collapse’

  1134. Arriba Wilver says:

    How so?

  1135. OldSoldier21 says:

    Not so sure about the pitching. Rotation has some holes, with Wandy’s arthritis keeping him out the remainder of the season. AJ will be saying “see ya” after not getting the ball tonight. Is Locke a “lock” after his 2nd half collapse? I think not…..






  1136. lupesanchez says:

    Big mistake taking Cole out in a bunt situation down 2-0 in the 6th. he was grooving. I like Hurdle, but I struggle to get inside his head sometimes…

  1137. WVStarship says:

    The Cards are the better team in every way. Just accept it.

  1138. lupesanchez says:

    taking out Cole when he did.

  1139. lupesanchez says:

    Marte is not a leadoff hitter. need ducks on the pond constantly for Cutch and Pedro. Like him at #6 or #7 if Neal can get a bona fide lead off hitter in the off season…

  1140. Arriba Wilver says:

    The Cards have done a great imitation of the Reds in the “class” category. And that is not a compliment.

  1141. Arriba Wilver says:

    So they should have beat us 3-0?

  1142. Karen22 says:

    THANK YOU, Pittsburgh Pirates!! Never expected such a ride!

    I gave them a standing-O in the middle of the family room after the last out.

    Can’t wait till next year!


  1143. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    As promised, here are the final standings.
    CONGRATS to all the winners!
    Your prizes will be mailed out sometime within the next 10 days.

    Dom & JUCOFan please contact me via email at BUCCOOVERUNDER at GMAIL dot COM

    We finished the season with 86 total players!!
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, YOU GUYS ROCK!!

    CONGRATS to bman our First Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to JRay3 our Second Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to War Horse our Third Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to JUCOFan our Fourth Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) our Fifth Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to Dom for having the Most Points in SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER, you win:

    Dom ~ 950
    TCB ~ 475
    bman ~ 425
    Bill Born ~ 350
    RobertoForever ~ 250

    bman ~ 3130
    JRay3 ~ 2375
    War Horse ~ 1865
    JUCOFan ~ 1325
    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 1125
    blazer ~ 900
    Irish ~ 875
    TCB ~ 875
    Dadtackular ~ 850
    Bill Born ~ 830
    KJX ~ 750
    RobertoForever ~ 740
    Dom ~ 725
    fellocolonial ~ 700
    Chico ~ 600
    Ermine ~ 600
    Nate83 ~ 575
    stickyweb ~ 500
    JohninOshkosh ~ 335
    EricBowser ~ 325
    cherokee23 ~ 300
    OZ ~ 300
    A1C McG ~ 200
    Boise Bucco ~ 200
    Evan ~ 200
    Hal Smith ~ 200
    Damon ~ 195
    Big B ~ 150
    theplanisworking ~ 150
    PetroSteel ~ 100
    steelercrazy ~ 100
    mlrgenuine ~ 50
    Fish ~ 0
    MarkV ~ 0
    pants-n-at ~ 0
    Ruffian706 ~ -40
    JoeyBats ~ -75
    Ben ~ -80
    Alexandre Giesbrecht ~ -100
    Brian ~ -100
    Dcpinpgh ~ -100
    John in WM ~ -100
    Kevin S ~ -100
    kr70 ~ -100
    Tom P. ~ -100
    PittMI ~ -100
    buffalo_bob ~ -150
    Ghost ~ -150
    Matt hoffman ~ -150
    tdb1977 ~ -165
    DormontGeorge ~ -200
    Ryan76 ~ -200
    TJ ~ -200
    tmp444 ~ -225
    Drew71 ~ -250
    Frankie ~ -250
    Patrick ~ -250
    buggee ~ -300
    Steve J. Smith ~ -300
    toochca ~ -300
    absolute59 ~ -350
    stuart66 ~ -350
    Vette60 (Randy in RVA) ~ -350
    Joey Mellons ~ -400
    DemonDachshund ~ -450
    Pucknutz ~ -500
    Rick in Crete ~ -500
    The Gunner ~ -500
    TK ~ -500
    Arriba Wilver ~ -550
    BDHumbert ~ -575
    radio wave ~ -575
    cmat0829 ~ -650
    JaxBuc ~ -650
    Jason81 ~ -750
    Keith ~ -800
    pattonbb ~ -1050
    cosmo ~ -1100
    Jandy ~ -1125
    Brandie ~ -1225
    JMB ~ -1350
    Karen22 ~ -1500
    Kevin ~ -1885
    JD ~ -2275
    Lad9 ~ -2750
    Bizrow ~ -5500

  1144. Nate83 says:

    Actually I heard plenty of nice things said about the Pirates from many Cardinal players. Wainwright included. I thought they where very classy. Maybe you heard him within 10 minutes after the game and at that point it should be all about them and him.

  1145. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I don’t need any nice words from the Cards.
    I believe Chris Carpenter took care of that late Monday afternoon.

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