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Morning Java: And so it ends … or does it?

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

ST. LOUIS — Morning, Lunatics …

>> The Thursday column from Busch Stadium and … well, you know.

The game story, by beat man Rob Biertempfel.

Some of what Pedro Alvarez had to say …

Contact is critical, and the offense had precious little, by Travis Sawchik.

Adam Wainwright is really good. Karen Price has that.

Photo gallery by Chris Horner and Chaz Palla, including this Horner shot of Neil Walker


Here’s our full Pirates coverage.

Here’s Cardinals news from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Ryan Clark sure is bombastic for a guy playing on a defense with zero takeaways. Alan Robinson reports on Clark’s latest kerfuffle, as well as Ben Roethlisberger’s reaction.

Some video of Clark …

Here’s our full Steelers coverage, including the return of Stevenson Sylvester.

Here’s Jets news from the Newark Star-Ledger.

Here are official game highlights from


>> Olli Maatta is damned good, by Josh Yohe. I know a guy who concurs and who feels very strongly this kid is ready to play in the NHL — full season — right now. But if I identified that guy, I’d be kind of piling on, since all this guy does is talk about Maatta.

Here’s our full Penguins coverage, including updates on Kris Letang and James Neal.

Here’s Panthers news from the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel.

Here are official game highlights from

>> Pitt’s opposing coach, Frank Beamer, is Jerry DiPaola’s topic.

>> Allen Robinson leaving Penn State for the NFL? Chris Adamski examines.

>> I’m going home, then up to State College for the Michigan game, then  across to East Rutherford for Steelers-Jets, and very much looking forward to it all.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    As promised, here are the final standings.
    CONGRATS to all the winners!
    Your prizes will be mailed out sometime within the next 10 days.

    Dom & JUCOFan please contact me via email at BUCCOOVERUNDER at GMAIL dot COM

    We finished the season with 86 total players!!
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, YOU GUYS ROCK!!

    CONGRATS to bman our First Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to JRay3 our Second Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to War Horse our Third Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to JUCOFan our Fourth Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) our Fifth Place Winner, you win:

    CONGRATS to Dom for having the Most Points in SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER, you win:

    Dom ~ 950
    TCB ~ 475
    bman ~ 425
    Bill Born ~ 350
    RobertoForever ~ 250

    bman ~ 3130
    JRay3 ~ 2375
    War Horse ~ 1865
    JUCOFan ~ 1325
    Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) ~ 1125
    blazer ~ 900
    Irish ~ 875
    TCB ~ 875
    Dadtackular ~ 850
    Bill Born ~ 830
    KJX ~ 750
    RobertoForever ~ 740
    Dom ~ 725
    fellocolonial ~ 700
    Chico ~ 600
    Ermine ~ 600
    Nate83 ~ 575
    stickyweb ~ 500
    JohninOshkosh ~ 335
    EricBowser ~ 325
    cherokee23 ~ 300
    OZ ~ 300
    A1C McG ~ 200
    Boise Bucco ~ 200
    Evan ~ 200
    Hal Smith ~ 200
    Damon ~ 195
    Big B ~ 150
    theplanisworking ~ 150
    PetroSteel ~ 100
    steelercrazy ~ 100
    mlrgenuine ~ 50
    Fish ~ 0
    MarkV ~ 0
    pants-n-at ~ 0
    Ruffian706 ~ -40
    JoeyBats ~ -75
    Ben ~ -80
    Alexandre Giesbrecht ~ -100
    Brian ~ -100
    Dcpinpgh ~ -100
    John in WM ~ -100
    Kevin S ~ -100
    kr70 ~ -100
    Tom P. ~ -100
    PittMI ~ -100
    buffalo_bob ~ -150
    Ghost ~ -150
    Matt hoffman ~ -150
    tdb1977 ~ -165
    DormontGeorge ~ -200
    Ryan76 ~ -200
    TJ ~ -200
    tmp444 ~ -225
    Drew71 ~ -250
    Frankie ~ -250
    Patrick ~ -250
    buggee ~ -300
    Steve J. Smith ~ -300
    toochca ~ -300
    absolute59 ~ -350
    stuart66 ~ -350
    Vette60 (Randy in RVA) ~ -350
    Joey Mellons ~ -400
    DemonDachshund ~ -450
    Pucknutz ~ -500
    Rick in Crete ~ -500
    The Gunner ~ -500
    TK ~ -500
    Arriba Wilver ~ -550
    BDHumbert ~ -575
    radio wave ~ -575
    cmat0829 ~ -650
    JaxBuc ~ -650
    Jason81 ~ -750
    Keith ~ -800
    pattonbb ~ -1050
    cosmo ~ -1100
    Jandy ~ -1125
    Brandie ~ -1225
    JMB ~ -1350
    Karen22 ~ -1500
    Kevin ~ -1885
    JD ~ -2275
    Lad9 ~ -2750
    Bizrow ~ -5500

  2. diehard says:

    “All this will be there again in exactly 172 days.”

    Can’t wait.

  3. Naje says:

    Outstanding-eth column-eth, Dejaneth.

    Really well done. Thanks for capturing the spirit of the team for us. It was much bigger than the parts that made-eth it.

  4. JMB says:

    There’s def hope for next year, but there are no guarantees.

    The Nats thought they would be right back this year.

    This season was enjoyable, so I hope it’s the start of yrs of championship level baseball.

  5. Mizery says:

    Nothing but pride. Waiting my whole life for a season like this from the buccos. I still want a championship but what a way to end the streak.

  6. Ghost says:

    Last week some of us heard a guy cite Dr. Seuss when the retirement of Todd Helton was brought up. The Seuss quote was, “Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened.” The guy citing Dr. Seuss was Helton’s former manager, Clint Hurdle.

  7. Ghost says:

    Biz, your motto at the Window should have been “Go like 2010!” You were downright lovable. Lad, I don’t know what to tell you except that you got doubled by a one-of-a-kind warrior.

  8. Ghost says:

    Petey got hot for us at a great time. I admittedly didn’t count, but it seemed to me that even when he wasn’t getting RBI hits this post-season, he was striking out considerably less than what we’ve been used to and that includes even when he would get hot during the regular season. People complain that Morneau didn’t hit home runs for us. But what he did do is hit .292 in the playoffs and get on base a lot for Byrd and Petey (thankfully, since Marte and Walker slumped horribly). But I’m doubting we can re-sign Morneau. He’s still a good all-around player and another team is going to offer him more years and more money than we will be able to. You guys don’t want to hear it, but I’m telling you Petey should go to first. The “he is what he is” take on him many here have only applies to his fielding at third base. He’s played that position his entire professional career as well as, I believe, all through college, too. That he “works hard and puts in lots of extra practice” actually bodes poorly for him. Fact is, there just isn’t much more a player can do to fundamentally improve what he is at defense. I now do NOT believe that applies to Petey’s hitting. Even before the post-season started, it seems his approach in the batter’s box had noticeably improved during the last six weeks, or so. Again, I didn’t count, but it seems less K’s. More home runs to straight away center and even one or two to the opposite field. He also started driving balls into both gaps better. Sure, teams still employed the radical shift on him and he still is a pull-hitter. But not as much as before. Same with the K’s. I now see a light at the end of the tunnel with Petey. The light is bright. Put him at first and set him free.

    “Third base?” you ask? There, put Jordy. And set him free, too.

  9. Ed says:

    Disappointing end but overall, a great season. I’ll really be looking forward to Spring Training 2014.

    Pittsburgh Pirates baseball is truly alive again.

  10. Smoky Burgess says:

    Man how i hate it when there is no more Pirate baseball for the year. it is like a kick to the gut to have it end like this. Have to admit that back in the spring when asked how I thought the Bucs would do this year I replied that I thought they would have a worse record than last year. Liriano? what do they want him for? Burnett will regress. Morton is coming off surgery. Karstens is hurt. Wandy might have a decent year. Sanchez and Locke… not much to chose from there. No pitching and weak hitting make for a lackluster year. So glad I was so wrong.

    Thank you Pirates for such an exciting fantastic year. Cant wait for it to all start again.
    To have Cole for the whole year and see Taillon come up in the summer. Marte keep improving and Cutch keep being Cutch. Hopefully we will be raising the
    Jolly Roger even more than 94 times next year and a lot farther into October.

  11. Skilliemischief says:

    Hell of a season Buccos!! I honestly couldn’t have asked for much more. Thank You for making this season so memorable!!

  12. Drew71 says:

    Sad but not disappointed.

    How could I possibly be disappointed in that wonderful season?

    As many of you know, I’m a spring training junkie. Not just games. PRACTICE. My favorite part is Pirate City in the weeks before the games begin.

    In recent years, my love of spring training has been about, well, spring training. This coming year, it will be at least about WHAT’S NEXT.

    Sad, yes. But I’m so NOT bitter about the last night. SO not.

    Besides. We have to focus now. We have a job to do…

    Let the Who-Plays-First-Base-Next-Season debate begin.

  13. JoeyBats says:

    Thank you Buccos ….2013 was one great PARTY! The team exceeded the expectations of most of us (well at least…..MY expectations) for this year.
    It appears that with the core group coming back & the potential of JAMO and Polanco on the horizon….the future is bright. I’d like to see the Buccos continue to be aggressive in the free agent market…and hopefully this great year buys the franchise more credibilityin pursuing those missing parts we need to compete withe Cards & Dodgers.
    Thank you Andrew, AJ, Jason, Francisco, Pedro, Marlon, STAR-ling, Gerrit, Neil, Russell, Mark and everyone else….for the great ride, the joy, the excitement that you gave the fans this year. Proud of all you!

  14. 21sthebest says:

    “That he “works hard and puts in lots of extra practice” actually bodes poorly for him. Fact is, there just isn’t much more a player can do to fundamentally improve what he is at defense.”

    Fact is, he has improved. 4 errors in his last 49 games.

    Jordy Mercer will never be our third baseman.

  15. kr70 says:

    and start asking “who’s looking fat”

  16. John Lease says:

    A good year, an enjoyable year.

    It’s over now though, on to the offseason.

  17. Drew71 says:

    Every spring training I receive at least a dozen Qs re the size of various butts.

    I’ll leave the easy punch line on the table for whoever wants to take it.

  18. Drew71 says:

    Thunder’s burning his lucky hat.

    Which is really great cause it’s still nailed to his head.

  19. Drew71 says:

    It’s a bit of a long shot but it wouldn’t totally surprise me if Barmes becomes the relatively low paid veteran defensive backup SS.

    Several stars would first have to align.

    1. Mercer is essentially designated the starter. Not necessarily publicly, but the two guys know it’s Jordy’s to lose.

    2. Barmes tests free agency looking for a starting position for reasonable money.

    3. (Here’s where the stretch starts) Barmes finds neither a starting job nor reasonably big dollars. He realizes that he’s gonna back up somewhere.

    4. So late in free agency, AFTER Barmes has figured out MLB’s perception of him, the Pirates make a play for him.

    5. Barmes figures: if I have to back up somewhere, may as well be somewhere with an unproven starter (long term chance to start), a very reasonable chance to win, someplace where I’m comfortable, where maybe I don’t have to move (no idea where he lives), and for a manager who I like playing for.

  20. JAL says:

    JAL’s My Way Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 Pittsburgh Pirates Stats

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: 2013 is Just the Beginning for the Pittsburgh Pirates

    Jameson Taillon and Alen Hanson Highlight Arizona Fall League Preview

    AFL Recap: Dickerson Reaches Base Three Times in Loss

    The 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates — A Success Story

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Let us be grateful for the 2013 Pirates

    6 Rumbunter

    The Best Post-NLDS Pittsburgh Pirates Tweets


    NLDS Game 5: Cardinals 6 Pirates 1 (and so much more)

    8 The Green Weenie

    Pirate’s Dream Run Ends In 6-1 Loss To Cards

    9 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Cardinals 6, Pirates 1

    10 City of Champions

    2013 MLB Playoffs: Pirates can’t handle Wainwright as season comes to an end

  21. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 ASAP Sports

    Clint Hurdle Post Game Interview

    12 LA Times

    Hits, but mostly misses, are in the cards,0,5310745.htmlstory

    13 Rant Sports

    Be Proud, Pittsburgh Pirates Nation

    14 ESPN

    Adam Wainwright’s moment

    15 San Jose Mercury News

    Photos: Pirates vs. Cardinals in NLDS game 5

    16 CBS Sports

    R.I.P., 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Waino goes the distance as Cards finish off Pirates

    Bernie: Consistency is what sets Cards apart

    18 PBC Site

    Stifled behind Cole, Bucs eliminated from postseason

    Season ends, but Pirates’ revival just beginning

    For McCutchen, little opportunity to play hero


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    Dollar Sign on the Muscle Excerpt

    20 Fangraphs

    Gerrit Cole and Adam Wainwright and Curveballs

  22. Jandy says:

    Gotta agree with 21here. Jordy will be fine at SS, at third? :shudder:

  23. JAL says:

    Song My way Frank Sinatra

  24. Drew71 says:

    To the best sport I ever knew…

    Happy Birthday, Dad.

  25. Jandy says:

    This quote says so much about these guys:

    “There’s no crying in baseball,” Grilli said through a small smile. “We’re a family in here. We’ve got each other’s backs right now.”

    Read more:
    Follow us: @triblive on Twitter | triblive on Facebook

  26. Jandy says:


  27. Jandy says:

    I have no problem with that.

  28. Jandy says:

    Puts a whole new meaning to “hair on fire”

  29. Jandy says:

    Playoffs, just want to thank you for making this memorable season even more fun with The Window. Sure hope it’s back next season. THANK YOU!

  30. popsfan says:

    Early Christmas wish list:

    To Neal Huntingdon: The ability to see the difference between a team that can pitch and a team that can pitch AND hit. And the chutzpah to do something about it.

    To Neil Walker: A better hitting coach

    To Pedro Alvarez: The ability to remember and duplicate his plate approach of the last two weeks.

    To Starling Marte: a bit of patience and an injury-free year.

    To Clint Hurdle: The ability to rein in his eternal optimism in game situations. When the parking lot attendants can see a pitcher has no control, pull him, don’t expect a miracle recovery before the next .300 hitter.

    Congratulations on breaking the streak and rest easy Bucco Fans, There’s not another like it in the future.

  31. JUCOFan says:

    +++ thanks for a great season! Nothing beats placing a unit or two on Pirates throughout the season. I will email this AM. Henrico, Va address

  32. diehard says:

    It makes a huge difference with Alvarez when he makes contact. His strikeout rate was actually about the same during the post season (.309 regular, .350 post – but only 20 AB’s), but when you hit .300 vs. .233 it doesn’t sting as much.
    Personally, I think Pedro would be a disaster at first. He’s got one defensive skill – his arm. His footwork – absolutely essential for 1B, is awful. Really, really awful.
    If he can figure out how to hit .265-.270, his defense at 3rd will be okay.

  33. 21sthebest says:

    I’m really unsure about Jordy at short.

  34. Thundercrack says:

    My ears were tucked under the cap.

  35. Jandy says:

    Dejan, Anze Kopitar 2 assists last night in King’s win over Senators 4-3

  36. 21sthebest says:


  37. Thundercrack says:

    I think he can/is average.

    But every ball he boots will be magnified….especially here on the blog :-)

  38. Jandy says:

    ala Pedro ;)

  39. Wild Bill says:

    As is true for many posters here, this season exceeded my fondest hopes, given what the Pirates had achieved for the last 20 years.

    Now I’d like the offseason by the front office to do the same thing. Future success is not guaranteed. Like DK, I think the championship level isn’t far away, but the Bucs are not there yet.

    I’ve really enjoyed reading all that so many of you have posted this season. You’ve been so much a part of the fan experience for me. Thanks to you all and to DK, of course.

    Now it’s on to the Steelers (shudder) and to the Pens (smile).

  40. Karen22 says:

    + 2014!!

  41. Karen22 says:

    Matt Adams is fat. He hits phat, too!

  42. 21sthebest says:

    His errors don’t even bother me. His fundamentals are good enough, IMO. I just feel like he’s a little deficient everywhere else – arm strength, range, quickness, diving for balls. I don’t know if he can improve the way I think he needs to. But I do like his bat.

    And I wish he’d stop going to the Josh Harrison school of sliding. That was unacceptable last night.

  43. Karen22 says:

    NICE! :)

  44. Jandy says:

    Uh oh,…now you’ve done it, Mr. Hasis will be all wound up!!!!

  45. theplanisworking says:

    This is for the inverse 1st place winner in Playoffs Window………… Biz.

    David ………. Cambridge Ohio.
    Terry Haines………… Alexandria Virginia.
    Chris Snyder………..Bloomsburg Pennsylvania.

  46. theplanisworking says:

    Also, Rick in Crete says………………………… I lived in North Dakota for 4 years, if that counts to take that state off the list.

  47. Karen22 says:

    It’s been a total blast sharing this magical season with all of you. Baseball is my sport…my passion since I was a little girl. I toted mitts and bats around…not Barbie Dolls. These 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates reminded me over and over again why I love it so. THANK YOU for the summer smiles that extended, at long last, well into the waning light of October. NO crying in baseball here. None.

    “All this will be there again in exactly 172 days.
    Count-eth on it.”

    So will I. Count-eth on it!

  48. gregenstein says:

    Cole, Alvarez, and McCutchen all had pretty good postseasons. Russell Martin too.

    It was fun. Hopefully a foretaste of the feast to come.

  49. Karen22 says:


  50. likeabugonarug says:

    It’s a shame can’t have a gathering at PNC on Saturday to thank the team for the wonderful ride this season.


  51. Good column. Says it all.

  52. 21sthebest says:

    And when isn’t he? LOL!

  53. Steve says:

    2 runs in two games. What moer can you say?

    Ryan Clark must be auditioning for his next job. Maybe he should focus on his performance in his current one.

  54. theplanisworking says:

    Went to the 3-letter website today, and it was a Cardinal lovefest, and barely a mention of the Pirates. For as much as the Pirates succeeded this year, they have a long way to go in gaining national respect, which is a shame, because the best story in baseball this year happened at PNC Park.

    But since this isnt Boston, LA, St. Louis, etc…………. well, you know……….

  55. Arriba Wilver says:

    I look forward to Thunder’s height report.

  56. theplanisworking says:

    Welcome Back, Reverend.
    You were missed.

  57. Arriba Wilver says:


  58. Dom says:

    Is it possible that Shamarko Thomas can replace him next season?

  59. theplanisworking says:


  60. Sorry, guys. Can’t be here today.

    Baseball is not just a sport for me. The Pirates are not just a “baseball team out there.”

    The loss is too raw. The pain too acute. I tried reading above, as folks looked forward, and I could not take it.

    I will recover. I will be back. But not today. I am still too invested in this season . . . . . I am still hurting too much over what was and what could have been . . . . . I see no roses, I feel only thorns.

    I love the Pirates. The Pirates are now dead. I cannot yet say, “Long live the Pirates.”

    But I will . . . . . . . . . .

  61. Arriba Wilver says:

    JAL’s link #16 has a nice story from CBS Sports. I actually think we got plenty of coverage.

  62. cosmo says:

    I think it is a definite possibility.

  63. Jandy says:

    True! lol

  64. Jandy says:

    what he said!!!

  65. Jandy says:

    The Pirates are NOT dead! >:<

  66. Jandy says:

    Hipposter! How are you this chilly Thursday morning?

  67. theplanisworking says:

    My mistake.
    I meant to say 4-letter website.

  68. 21sthebest says:

    Who exactly is the 3 letter website?

  69. BillyBaduka says:

    Yes. There’s already talk that Thomas is receiving more first team reps in practice this year.

  70. BillyBaduka says:


  71. Milo Hamilton says:

    Been holding my breath since March. At some point here soon I will exhale. And it’s gonna be great !

  72. Jandy says:

    C’mon, Milo, breathe :D

  73. theplanisworking says:

    Cold, but satisfied……… I cleaned up a few more Lunatics. :)

    I am not one who is disappointed this morning about the Bucs.
    No one, except a few pollyannas ever saw this type of season unfolding.
    No one saw a playoff berth for this team. Most experts, and most people on here predicted 76-84 wins, no playoffs. So how can one be disappointed with an overachieving team that made many strides and good memories? How can one be disappointed in a GM that finally did what any fan could ask for……….. dramatically improve the team? How can one be disappointed in a team that has a bright future, as long as correct decisions are made?

    This loss last night feels absoBucnlutely nothing like 1972, or 1992. This loss feels like an opportunity lost, but a valuable learning experience for the Bucs moving forward.

    This team was a joy to watch, and maddening to watch………….. but they grew up, so to speak, in front of our eyes. Now, the real work begins………… will they continue upward, or be like 1989, and fall back? Right now, I am just gald to be associated in a very small way thru here with a team that finally broke off the shackles of 20 years of sludge. And for that, I am grateful.

  74. Thanks to both of yinz.

  75. theplanisworking says:

    If you have been holding it that long, please use a breath mint before exhaling……… ;)

  76. Jandy says:

    Well said, my friend.
    I, too, am happy and satisfied with this season.
    Sad we lost last night, but not a bitter sad…more bitter sweet.

  77. 21sthebest says:

    All I see on ESPN’s site is the game story and a breakdown of Wanwright’s work. Seems reasonable to me.

  78. Tom P. says:

    I agree with DK that this team is not like 1992, but I am wondering if it is like 1988. That team overachieved all summer, and chased the Mets all summer. Because there was no wild card, there were no playoffs.

    There were high expectations in 1989, but early injuries doomed any chance at a pennant. Then we know what happened from 1990-92.

    I would not be surprised to see a regression next year. (See Nationals, Washington). If I am wrong, it certainly won’t be the first time.

    Thank to DK for creating and maintaining this forum, and to all of you for making it an interesting place to share facts, opinions and everything in between. I looked forward to the blog almost as much as the games themselves.

  79. Arriba Wilver says:

    Oh, I don’t pay any attention to them. :-)

  80. theplanisworking says:

    Sometimes I think that is very wise.

    We have good beat writers and columnists here.
    When they arent jinxing us with birthday celebrations……….. ;)

  81. Patrick(RI) says:

    Take two aspirins and re-read D(r) K’s column and call us next spring. It seems to be working for me, after attacking my fifth last night.

  82. Dom says:

    That’s got to be some type of record.

  83. defil21 says:


    I couldn’t have said it better myself. What a season! Thank you Pirates for making Baseball so much fun to watch this year.

  84. likeabugonarug says:

    Perfect words, sir!


  85. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, and as to “clubhouse leader” Ryan Clark…………….

    Ever notice since he became a “clubhouse leader” the Steelers have regressed? He talks way too much, has a punk attitude, and is a part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    And, just remember, Clark proudly led the Steelers to be the only team that didnt ratify the CBA, bragged about it, and made the team look foolish as a result.

    Memo to him, be a REAL team leader………… shut up, improve your play, and mentor the rookies coming up.

  86. Baywatch says:

    “Counteth On It!” I was reading down through your column and KNEW you were going to end it that way, DK! Guess it’s like Wainright’s curve: Knew it was coming, and STILL nothing I could do about it! LOL! Another good column: AbsoBUCCNlutely! (And I guess we’ll be saying that around here AT LEAST as long as we did “We Will!”)

    Morning, All!

  87. Thundercrack says:


  88. Nate83 says:

    Good column putting everything in perspective. The one thing I took away from last nights game is that Cole is the real deal and he will be a starting pitcher unlike any we have seen in this organization in a long time.

    Next year brings us the excitement of what they may do to fill a few key needs at 1B and RF during the offseason. It could and probably will bring us the debut of Taillon and Polanco in the majors. It will see the continued progression of Glasnow, Kingham, Heredia, Hanson, Bell, Medeows and Maguire among others. Most importantly it bring the expectations of more then just a team the crawls over .500.

    Last of all DK predicted an AJ Burnett return so I would like to be one of the first people to thank AJ for his two years with this team because he is definately not coming back.

    DK prediction = SI cover jinx

  89. Lad 9 says:

    Playoffs, despite my putrid effort (and I was break even in August I think so I finished like Glue Pot in the fifth race at Aqueduct), I enjoyed this immensely. Thank you so much for doing this. It is an extremely cool thing!

  90. Baywatch says:

    Groat, I find it amazing how ALL.SEASON.LONG we’d lay eggs like this here and there – and still come out with a great record: First part of the season, light’s out pitching, timely hitting – but just scratched out. Got on a roll … here an egg, there an egg, but not EVERYWHERE an egg, egg on our farm. Second part of the season, pitching lagged some, .500 ball, more eggs. Then we rally at the end of the season, through the wild card a nice two games in this series, then two more eggs.

    Does it all come down to good pitching will keep you in this thing? And good pitching with better, Cardinals-type hitting AND playoff experience will get you THROUGH this thing?

  91. Arriba Wilver says:


  92. YMDM says:

    OK Jandy, you told me to come back tomorrow after my Cards win…here I am :)

  93. Baywatch says:

    I don’t much see AJ coming back, either. And, honestly, I wonder if they really are gonna want to bring him back. His ERA most of the season does indeed reflect that of a tough-luck, no-run-support pitcher – but he showed some signs of his tank capacity dwindling. Then when Taillon gets here at mid-year, somebody’s gonna have to move over.

  94. Lad 9 says:

    Well said Jandy. So proud of this bunch. And on top of it, there isn’t a single one of them I dislike. There are no Bonds or Bonillas that I can see on this squad. 172 days, eh? Will enjoy our Pens, Panthers and hopefully the Steelers until then.

    And the endless speculation on the 1B and RF situations will be a blast. And let me beat Mr Hasis to it: the Twins have this guy named Presley that could probably be had for a reasonable price….. :) (kidding, kidding)

  95. pattonbb says:

    Hang in there, Groat.

  96. Arriba Wilver says:

    Problem is Locke isn’t a lock to repeat his first half season.

  97. Jandy says:

    Mr. Hasis will be all would up, thanks to you and 21sthebest LOL.

    Hope we see our very own Brandecita sometime during the course of the day. Miss her lively little self.


  98. Jandy says:

    we’ll find out if he has a prayer come spring training.

  99. Kevin says:

    I was listening to MLB radio on Sirius/XM this morning. They were talking about the pirates options at 1st base among the free agents and they came up with 3 possibles (based entirely on affordability and “fit”)

    1. Justin Morneau
    2. James Loney (age 29)
    3. Adam Lind (age 30)

    They were convinced Konerko won’t leave the White Sox. Kendry Morales was way too expensive. And Euchalys too injured. Everyone else was labeled either too old, too expensive, or just not an upgrade over Gaby Sanchez/Garret Jones.

    All that said, I haven’t done a ton of research yet on the 2 they mentioned but wanted to lay it out there for discussion. Do you think they’ll bring back Morneau?

  100. Dom says:

    Do we resign AJ in the offseason? Is he going to retire? Does he even want to come back?

    I can certainly see the argument against it. If we’re going to spend that type of money we should obtain someone who will be in the lineup every day.

    W/o AJ we still have Liriano, Cole, Morton, Locke, Rodriguez, and eventually Taillon.

    Meanwhile, we have big holes at first and right field. If we’re going to spend like $15 million, I think it should be in the field.

  101. Nate83 says:

    Concerning Locke I agree with you. I do like what I saw from Stolmy Pimental and there is nothing wrong with fielding a 5th starter like Cumpton who looks like he can give you 6 innings and keep you in games. There are a lot of bad 4th and 5th starters throughout the league. Cumpton seems like he could be steady.

    Don’t forget we wasted about 15 starts on Jmac, Sanchez and second half Locke where the team had little to no chance of winning. If Kevin Correia or Jeff Karstans take those starts you have a chance of winning. Those kind of pitchers are valuable for the backend of the rotation. Maybe we can get Karstans for next to nothing.

  102. Kevin says:

    by the way, this was all predicated on the idea that Morneau was more likely to be brought back then Byrd. Byrd is looking for a multi-year deal, is 36… eventhough he seems to have found his swing, he would be a bigger risk. Morneau is only 32 and they thought he could possibly be bought cheaper, he also comes with the experience and could be the veteran guy in the dugout. And for people like me that would like to kiss GI Jones good bye, it makes more sense. We also have Polanco to look forward too in right field.

  103. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wandy’s no sure bet to be healthy. That arthritis diagnosis is pretty scary.

  104. NMR says:

    Let me say that it has been an absolute pleasure sharing this experience with you and the rest of the gang.

  105. Kevin says:

    We also have Stolmy Pimental. I think the kids shown he’s here… should get consideration if not a mid-season call up like Cole.

  106. Lad 9 says:

    Winding him up does not take much. Hee Hee

    Yeah, saw a little of the Muppet last night, but could really use that ray of sunshine today. WIll put a BOLO out on her: 5’3″, packing a load of dynamite and a pirate chest full of nicknames. Consider her armed and extremely special…

  107. Arriba Wilver says:


  108. Lad 9 says:

    Don’t forget Cumpton. He looks like one of those guys who just puts you in a position to win start after start…

  109. Jandy says:

    what they said!

  110. Jandy says:

    Agreed! I worry about her sometimes! S he sure can brighten this entire blog :)
    But then, so do you, my friend :)

  111. Thundercrack says:

    Very nice

    (and if I could remember how to make it bold type I would have done that too)

  112. jmiller says:

    I know everybody loves Neil Walker despite his perfectly average career stats cuz hes from the Burgh, but he has to be called out today. What an unacceptable performance all series long.

  113. 21sthebest says:

    Last NH show he said it was a flexor tendon and made it sound like he just need time off. So now I’m confused….

  114. Baywatch says:

    Any chance Lambo becomes our right fielder?

  115. Nate83 says:

    I would like James Loney myself. Solid all around player that won’t hurt you. Morneau would be OK at the right price but I think he goes back to the Twins. Adam Lind is not anyone I would be interested in. He is a slightly better version of Jones. Much to inconsistant.

    I’m not sure how they know what is too expensive for the Pirates. This is the first time in something like 9 or 10 years we will be able to see that for ourselves. It has always been said the money would be spent when the time is right and based on what Nutting did at the end of this season I believe that. We have never been 1 or 2 key pieces away from a complete puzzle. Now we are. They may make a 3 or 4 year commitmentt to a good free agent like Morales especially at first base. Right Field can be patchworked until prospects come up. I wish Byrd could play first base. I really like what he brings to the table.

  116. theplanisworking says:

    I thought I saw Brandie scurrying away when I was performing my night janitor duties. ;)

    Hope she is doing well.
    Hope I am doing well………….. ;)

  117. Arriba Wilver says:

    There’s no such thing as clutch. Did you see the picture of Neil on here? I think he knows it.

  118. JohnS says:

    I am hopeful that Locke has gained stamina from his first full MLB season. He is definitely not a Cole type physically so time will tell. Locke really needs to cut his walks down by trusting that outs will be made on pitches in the zone. His 4.5 BB/9 is just too high for a guy that doesn’t have a huge KO rate.

    I hate to compare him to Glavine but they are physically similar. If you look at their stats from their first full season Locke compares very favorably. So the hope is there that he turns into Glavine and not JMac.

  119. Zico says:

    Anyone know what the trib reporter asked Gerrit Cole post game?

  120. Jandy says:

    She is on early before work, I am sure. Just not sure when she has time after that.
    If you say her shadow, then she must be doing ok :)

  121. JohnS says:

    I don’ think Pimental has any options left for next season.

  122. Nate83 says:

    Yes him and Marte had horrible post seasons. Hard to say it’s part of who they are or if it was just a bad streak at the wrong time. Really can’t tell if a player becomes small during big games based on one post season. Hopefully we can make it to the post season next year and find out.

  123. Lad 9 says:

    Thank you! The feeling is mutual!

  124. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought Dr. Andrews said it was arthritis. (Neal always confuses me).

  125. Jandy says:

    Agree, AW.
    No one knows it better than he does himself.

  126. theplanisworking says:

    Well, I will let you 2 lovebirds go.
    My job is done, so to speak.

    Catch you later today.

  127. Arriba Wilver says:

    See Willie Stargell in WS 1971.

    On kind of the opposite note, did Pedro come up big BECAUSE it was the post season or was it just a coincidentally perfectly timed Pedro hot streak?

    Hopefully we’ll get more data over the next couple of seasons. ;-)

  128. Nate83 says:

    He difinately is an option. With Polanco waiting I think they address first base and maybe starting pitching instead of right field. Tabata played well enought that between him and Lambo they may just roll the dice.

  129. NMR says:

    You’re correct, on both accounts, AW.

  130. theplanisworking says:

    And the finger pointing begins (not you, AW ).

    There is plenty of blame to go around, but that isnt important right now.

    Positive thoughts will be the best course for the players, to go onward and upward. But, what do I know?? ;)

  131. Stuart says:

    After watching Cole, Liriano, Wainright and Wacha, aren’t we glad we didn’t have to move Taillon, Kingham and glasnow?

    Future looks bright. Personally, I would go after Morneau. Remember when James Neal first came to the Pens? Nothing special at the end of his first year, but in his second, he blossomed with Geno. I could see Morneau doing the same, and adjusting to the clemente wall.

    I can see why Byrd wants a longer term contract to finish his career. But with Polanco in the wings, can’t see us giving Byrd a long-term contract. I would like to see a year with a year option for Marlon, but that might be wishful thinking.

    I’m thinkin everyone here in the lunacy academy will be ready for spring training.

    Thanks to Dejan for keeping it interesting. Also many thanks to JAL for the excellent links, including his musicality.


  132. NMR says:

    Lambo would replace Garrett Jones as my lefty platoon with Gaby at first base.

    Spend the money on a plus arm like AJ, not a subpar first baseman like Morneau.

  133. Jandy says:

    Well, there’s this:
    Updated: September 14, 2013, 6:17 PM ET news services
    PITTSBURGH — Wandy Rodriguez has been shut down for the remainder of the season by the Pittsburgh Pirates because of continuing pain in the left-hander’s pitching arm.

    Rodriguez has been on the disabled list since June 6 with stiffness in his left forearm, though he was also found to have arthritis in his elbow when examined by orthopedist James Andrews last month.

    “Wandy has worked diligently to return to action but despite all Wandy’s and our medical staffs’ work and efforts, he has not been able to return to pitch without pain,” general manager Neal Huntington said in a statement. “We have decided that it is in Wandy’s best interests and the Pirates’ best interests to allow more time for the injury to the flexor tendon in his left forearm to heal and to shift our focus from a return in 2013 to having Wandy ready for Opening Day 2014.”

    The Pirates made the move Saturday.

    Rodriguez made 12 starts for the Pirates this season, going 6-4 with a 3.59 ERA.

    The 34-year-old Rodriguez can become a free agent at the end of the season but also holds a $14 million player option in his contract to return in 2014.

    Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

  134. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just can’t get into Hot Stove now.

    I’m with Groat. Too painful. Playoff appearances, especially in baseball, are hard earned with no guarantees. Not sure when the Pirates get back as we all fight what Roger Kahn called the “intractable enemy of time.”

    Though not Jewish, I admire immensely the millennia old custom of Shiva.

    I now begin my 2013 Pirates Shiva.

  135. Kevin says:

    DK, I’m going to go against your best wishes that we not complain about minutae. I just thought it fitting that our offense is what came up short even when our pitching was strong. Almost identical outings from both Morton and Cole in terms of the result. A 2-hr homerun was all that was allowed in both games… and what was all that was needed to beat us in both.

  136. Jandy says:

    then there’s this:

    News: Pittsburgh GM Neal Huntington said Rodriguez (forearm) was shut down mainly because of a strained flexor tendon in his left arm and not arthritis, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports. (Sun Sep 15)

    Spin: Huntington expects Rodriguez to be ready for spring training. “Our best approach is to give it significant rest,” Huntington said. “Wandy did everything he could (to get back this season).” Rodriguez holds a lucrative $13 million player option for 2014 which he will almost surely exercise. “We’re hoping he will,” Huntington said. “We’re operating as if Wandy will be a Pirate next year and we’re looking forward to it.”

    Here’s the link:

    No wonder yinz are confused!

  137. NMR says:

    I thought we have moved past Lyle Overbay type signings?

    Morneau will not be worth whatever he gets paid for being good three years ago.

  138. Jandy says:

    another link:–mlb.html

    The Sports Xchange September 14, 2013 5:40 PM The SportsXchange
    The Pittsburgh Pirates announced Saturday that they are shutting down injured left-handed starter Wandy Rodriguez for the rest of the season.
    In a press release, the Pirates said they “have decided to shut down Wandy Rodriguez due to continuing pain and discomfort in his left forearm. Wandy has worked diligently to return to action but despite all Wandy’s and our medical staffs’ work and efforts, he has not been able to return to pitch without pain.
    “We have decided that it is in Wandy’s best interests and the Pirates’ best interests to allow more time for the injury to the flexor tendon in his left forearm to heal and to shift our focus from a return in 2013 to having Wandy ready for Opening Day 2014.”
    Rodriguez has not pitched since June 5. He went 6-4 with a 3.59 ERA in 12 starts this year. He has a $13 million player option for next season.

  139. Kevin says:

    bah I meant to say identical *quality* outings.

  140. Nate83 says:

    I’d be OK with that. Has Lambo been used at first base in the minors at all?

    I agree more pitching wouldn’t hurt. Locke and Wandy are definately not sure things next year. The quickest way to have a season go south is to only have 3/5 of a starting rotation. Can’t win if 40% of your games have ERA’s of 4.50 or higher.

  141. Jandy says:

    More than you let on ;)

  142. Jandy says:

    OsKosh, it *IS* hockey season, ya know?

  143. Baywatch says:

    The ARTICLE is confusing, too! Maybe he has arthritis AND a flexor tendon injury? Maybe they are synonymous? Maybe Neal said “flexor tendon” because real YOUNG men don’t pitch with arthritis?

  144. Kevin says:

    they did mention Lyle Overbay as an option… and quickly dismissed as not being an upgrade to Garret Jones.

  145. Jandy says:

    pfft! And your job is NEVER done :P

    Enjoy your day, Hipposter :*

  146. Jandy says:


  147. Nate83 says:

    I agree. That is kind of what I was saying about how can anyone know what is too expensive for the Pirates. They have never been in this position during MLB having this kind of free agent landscape. The Hinske, Overbay, McGahee days should be gone. There is a nucleaus of players in place and a couple of obvious holes. Sticking a finger in those holes no longer makes sense because we are trying to win playoff series not a few more games. The holes need to be repaired and filled with difference makers not retreads or lottery tickets.

  148. 21sthebest says:

    “No one, except a few pollyannas ever saw this type of season unfolding.”

    Who wants to let Daquido know that he’s a pollyanna?

  149. Jandy says:

    I nominate Mr. Hasis!!!!!

  150. Scott says:

    As a commenter on DK’s column noted, the Cardinals are the real team on the rise. Ten rookies on that club! And not just any rookies, but studs like Michael Wacha, Matt Adams, Trevor Rosenthal, Shelby Miller.

    I’d love to see the Bucs become perennial contenders, but you have to be realistic about 2014. Guys like Liriano, Burnett (if he returns), Grilli and Melancon are unlikely to duplicate their magical seasons. Locke will not pitch like an all-star for half a season again. Cole could become one of the league’s dominant pitchers… or he could deal with a sophomore slump.

    Hopefully the team fixes up its first base and RF situations, perhaps with a free agent signing or two, Taillon pitches well when he arrives in mid-season, Tony Sanchez and Mercer successfully transition into starting roles, Pedro and company cut down on the strikeouts, and the bullpen is able to repeat its 2013 performance. But it’s asking a lot for all of that to happen.

  151. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    A couple thoughts this morning…..

    Running The Window all season was a grind, but it’s the nice comments like I read above that make it all worthwhile.
    I am truly humbled by the kind words you all have for me this morning.

    Congrats to all the winners!
    Make sure you contact me via email (BUCCOOVERUNDER at GMAIL dot COM) if you already haven’t, so I can get your prizes shipped out.

    Not really sure if I’m going to bring The Window back for next season.
    Honestly, I’d like to pass it on to someone in here, so I can place some “wagers” myself.

    Finally, I’m not going to be in here much fr the foreseeable future.
    Not really much of a Steelers, Penguins, NHL, or Winnipeg Board of Tourism fan.

    So I’ll head out for the most part this winter, and return when the baseball team heads to Florida.
    It’s been a helluva season, here’s to 2014 looking even brighter!

  152. Jandy says:

    Stay healthy and be safe, Playoffs.


  153. NMR says:

    I believe so, Nate. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not expecting big results.

    I just don’t think it is smart for low payroll teams to spend big money on first basemen. Just don’t get much value outside of the bat.

  154. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree. He was worth the risk for a month.

    But he’s no Lyle Overbay, either. I like Morneau. I really think Lyle punted while he was here. But I don’t see signing him.

  155. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s exactly Lyle Overbay. But it was still worth the rental.

  156. Arriba Wilver says:

    You’re the best, Playoffs. I have no idea why you do it, but it has to be in the Top three or four in terms of why baseball fans come here.

    Thank you.

  157. Arriba Wilver says:

    Chief Wild Eagle: Neal speaks with forked tongue. ;-)

  158. Patrick(ri) says:

    I was not a player, but that makes me an objectve viewer when I say, “well done!”

  159. Arriba Wilver says:

    I wasn’t speaking results, I was speaking effort. But if you disagree, that’s cool. No way to really know. Just my opinion.

  160. Baywatch says:


  161. Baywatch says:

    Playoffs, your handle reminds me that way back when Huntington took over I was thinking of making my blog handle “Kickin’Rear End By 2010!”

  162. Milo Hamilton says:

    Oh yeah. I misread that part. Seemed that way to me too.

  163. popsfan says:

    Maybe Byrd goes back to Mexico this off season and plays first?

  164. NMR says:

    The Cardinals were, are, and will be the team to beat. There should be no doubt about that.

    But the little part about the bajillion rookies narrative that doesn’t get mentioned is that they have exactly one above average bat under the age of 30, Matt Carpenter.

    They clearly have the smarts and the resources to replenish the offense, but it will absolutely need to be done in the near term.

  165. Kevin says:

    no offense, I think it makes the list more unique if its for where people currently are. if you instead put everywhere people are from, lived, currently live… your list becomes immense and alot less real. It becomes a list of where bucs fans have been versus where we hail from. But, that’s just my opinion.

  166. JohninOshkosh says:

    “The boy from Boyceville, Wisconsin.”

    He was the Dodger Centerfielder when Thompson hit his “shot heard around the world.”


  167. Kevin says:

    I agree with the Groat, the pirates are totally dead and not merely mostly dead. They will not play any more games in 2013. They live only in our memories and that’s where they’ll stay.

    Peoples grieving process is different. I didn’t think I would want to even listen to anymore baseball. I turned the game off before I could even watch a glimpse of the celebration last night. Too painful. I don’t want go to ESPN well not usually but especially now with their gaudy cardinal coronation. And I won’t watch anymore postseason baseball.

    I prefer to move on immediately and think about how this team can recapture what they wrought in the past season. That interests me and keeps me moving forward.

  168. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    I’ll do my best.
    You do the same!

  169. YMDM says:


  170. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks Arriba!
    I always appreciate what you write.
    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, you are the voice of reason on this blog.

  171. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks Patrick. It is appreciated.

  172. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    That’s funny.
    I came up with it in ’09.

    I figured it would take 3 years to see a contender.
    I was only off by one.

  173. Arriba Wilver says:

    Thanks, Playoffs. I appreciate that.

    But I think DK just threw up in his mouth a little. :-)

  174. Adam Perry says:

    I’m sure we’ll all have perspective on this soon and just making the playoffs, just ending the streak, will feel good. But right now it hurts. Alvarez swinging at the same three pitches out of the strike zone to end the game hurt. Morneau not being moved from the cleanup spot hurt. Hurdle’s ridiculously stupid move to put in Jones, who swung at the first pitch, instead of moving the runner over in a 2-0 game hurt.

  175. 21sthebest says:

    With all of the discussions I’ve seen about contracts, extensions, etc., I don’t recall seeing anyone mention lately Chuck who is approaching his last arb year. I’d bet he gets extended this offseason into 2015 at least. Maybe even a 3 year deal including 2014. I just get the feeling that he and the organization have a very close relationship.

  176. Will miss you. Have a good off season.

    Remember Mark 9:23

  177. If not, he and DK sure do.

  178. Iceman says:

    “I know a guy who concurs and who feels very strongly this kid is ready to play in the NHL — full season — right now. But if I identified that guy, I’d be kind of piling on, since all this guy does is talk about Maatta.”

    No way you could be talking about yourself here, right?

    Maatta has been fantastic, but if they don’t trade Niskanen, I think he has to go back to juniors. There is no other spot for him in the lineup and I don’t want him in the pressbox. I also don’t want Bortuzzo in the pressbox either. They both need to be playing.

  179. Dom says:

    He’s due for a big payday.

  180. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    ha :)

  181. Baywatch says:

    THAT’S pretty gross! I mean, SPECIFICALLY, DK doing that!

  182. Dom says:

    Who has a better chance at winning?

    Houston who are home against the St Louis Rams.


    Cincinnati who are at Buffalo.

  183. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks Rev!
    Keep the faith!

    Mark 9:23

  184. NMR says:

    Three years, INCLUDING 2014, wold be perfect, IMO. Allows him to still hit free agency at the age of 33.

    If we assume roughly $5m (maybe a bit less) through arbitration, I think a couple $7-8m seasons tacked on the end would be fair.

    If Kevin Correa and Joe Blanton are $6-7m pitchers, Morton should be worth at least as much.

  185. Irish says:

    Thanks again, Playoffs… you often came up with tough lines to deal with, and made it really interesting.

  186. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    It’s Thursday morning PDT and my emotion remains “anger” that the Pirates were ousted by the Cards.
    Again…Not angry at anyone with the Pirates.
    It was definitely an extremely good season, and all effort was put out to win.

    I felt the Pirates were the better team (I know that sounds stupid when you lose) BUT….They just didn’t hit consistently enough.
    Three losses in the series, and all three resulted in one run scored.
    That’s not going to get it done in the playoffs.
    I said all year that this team had trouble hitting many, many pitchers.
    It was the death of them.

    As for the Cards, they can go battle it out with the Dodgers.
    They should be wearing long faces by mid next week.

  187. tpbco says:

    I agree. Nothing is accomplished with either Maatta OR Bortuzzo in the press box. Both have to play. And Nisky has played well the first 3 games, increasing his value and making for a tougher trade.

    I think fantastic is a little over board regarding Ollie, he has played well – especially for a 19 yr old, but as HCDB pointed out, with the first 3 games at home, they have been able to pick their spots for him and he has not played much, if at all, against any of the top two lines AND the first three teams aren’t offensive threats to begin with. Carolina could be, but not right now.

    Tough to see the scenario where Maatta doesn’t get sent back to juniors.

  188. Playoffs by 2012 says:

    Thanks. It was a true labor of love!

  189. Jandy says:

    I figured you would know of him, Oshkosh.

  190. JohnS says:

    I know I am jsut spinning my wheels but I would love to see Orpik moved over anyone else. His $3.75 coming off the books would be huge plus in my opinion I would rather see the youger guys in the lineup. No way they bring him back for 2014/15 anyway.

    I know the fans like him but it is time tomove him if you can find a trading partner.

  191. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I might add (in regards to DK’s column)….This is totally different than ’92 to me.
    No tears, no sadness, no extreme disappointment….Just anger.

    As for feeling that “next year” will make up for this….I count on nothing.
    When you’re in a position to win it all, you have to win it all.
    Going to the playoffs guarantees you nothing for next year.
    The Nats were in the same situation last year, and you see what it did for them this year.

  192. Kevin says:

    Houston… eventhough Buffalo just lost EJ Manuel, I still think they have the stuff there that they can win any given day.

  193. Damon says:

    Cincy over Buffalo – Thad Lewis is starting for Buffalo at QB. Cincy has a decent run defense, so chances are this game not being close.

  194. tpbco says:

    I think Houston.

    Always easier to win at home for one thing, but also (since I live there) I am familiar with their lineup.

    In a lot of ways Houston remind me of the ’90’s Steelers under Cowher. Schaub is not a franchise QB, but is surrounded by a pretty salty lineup. They can win a lot of games – like Cowher’s teams did, but can’t get over the hump in the playoffs – again like Cowher’s teams…unit they drafted BBR. This year they have had some key injuries, like their probowl LT which has really hurt their pass protection and their running game. They now also lost their TE, Owen McDaniel, who is a lot like Heath. Finally so far this season thye have been playing the game of “everything that we try is wrong”. Most of Schaub’s Pick 6’s, he was running for his life (sound familar?). Obviously 20-20 hindsignt says he should have taken the sack or tried to throw the ball away, but then he would be skewred for that too.

    Regardless, I can see Houston’s D forcing a win and dragging the offense with them. Cincy, I just am not impressed overall and Buffalo’s D seems to be playing pretty well so far.

    I think both will win. IMO, Houston is the safer bet (both straight up and against the spread – hate giving that many points on the road).

    Please take this opinion with a shaker full of salt.

  195. Jandy says:

    LOL YMDM, so you did. Congrats :)

  196. Milo Hamilton says:

    After several lengthy discussions with his wife, I understand that AJ Burnett has decided to disrupt his complicated routine & has made himself available to take his kids to school tomorrow.

  197. Jandy says:

    No doubt his wife had something to do with that disruption ;)

  198. tpbco says:

    Don’t disagree…just don’t see the Pens trading Orpik or Martin. Their public stance is that they are playing for the cup (as it should be) so it precludes trading vet Dmen for draft picks and it’s hard to see a trade for an exising forward, for what either would bring, that didn’t make their cap issue worse.

  199. Milo Hamilton says:

    She seems real classy, huh ?

  200. cmat0829 says:

    ZERO chance STL wins in Houston. Their offense is putrid and Houston needs this game desparately. Its’ the type of “get well” games the NFL schedulemaker is pretty good at setting up.

    I also think Cincy will beat Buffalo, but road games in the NFL with a team that doesn’t score a lot of points scares me off of that one.

  201. Vinny Giardina says:

    If the word bold is bold in this sentence, then you just have to surround the word(s) you want in bold with this (disregard the x’s) :


  202. Vinny Giardina says:

    Darn, the x’s didn’t work. It’s less than sign, b, greater than sign-then the text- then less than sign, forward slash, b, greater than sign.

  203. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think the organization went for win-it-all this year, without robbing the future. No complaints. Keeping Cole once he came up will cost millions, just for one example,


  204. cmat0829 says:

    Hey asylum…. tough morning in Bucland, always tough when a season comes to an end, especially this magical one. I do note that the ‘season is over’ is a true statement on October 9th, not the many, many times it was declared on this blog, as in:

    1. After last season’s collapse
    2. After a weak hot stove period, especially not enough pitching depth signed
    3. In Spring Training
    4. After opening day loss to Cubs
    5. After sweep in LA and 1-5 start to season
    6. After every loss in April and May
    7. Every game that Clint Barmes started
    8. For sure after the (fillintheblank) road trip
    9. When they actually play the better teams
    10. After the trade deadline
    11. After Grilli went down with injury
    12. When they lost the home games to SD and Cincy by blowing 9th inning leads
    13. In Cincy without every getting to host a playoff game
    14. For sure, will be ‘one and done’ in the wildcard game
    15. After game 1 of the NLDS.

    So yes, fans, the Pirates season is indeed over. TODAY and not all of those other times. I look forward to 2014 and all of the times our new season will be “over”…and for this team to prove (some of) us wrong, over and over again.

    Plenty of time for hot stove to begin. I agree with NH that “I’d like to keep this team together for 2014″ but time will tell how possible that is.

  205. Jandy says:

    I honestly couldn’t say Milo.
    But in her pics she is rather attractive.

  206. JAL says:

    Nice tweet from Bernie of the St. Louis Dispatch

    Bernie Miklasz ✔ @miklasz

    If any Pirates fans are following me, I mean this sincerely: you have a helluva team, a hardball-playing team, a likeable team and a team that hopefully will form a great baseball rivalry with the Cardinals for years to come. Congrats on a great season.

  207. Jandy says:

    like this?b>

  208. Jandy says:


  209. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s a really weaselly post IMHO after the season we just experienced. (I’m sure there’s a better description, but that’s all I could come up with)

    To each their own. If bashing other posters is where you’re at today . . .

    I’m looking forward to next season.

  210. Jandy says:

    Classy guy!

  211. Arriba Wilver says:


  212. Jandy says:

    maybe my ? messed it up?

  213. Vinny Giardina says:


  214. Jandy says:

    Seriously tho, NMR, you’ve been a source of fun, frustration, dry wit, and humor, and have shown a lot of patience in helping me along with baseball. I’ve appreciated it much. You stick around for hockey, hear? :)

  215. tpbco says:

    Of course you realize that your “15 reasons” are largely due to the previous 20 years AND the yinzer mentality that unless the team of choice wins every game and the Championship is won, everybody sucks and should be DFA’d or fired, right?

    I definitely agree with you (and to some degree with Daq above) that this offseason will tell alot about the PBC and its agenda going forward. Cinderalla stories don’t aways have Cinderalla endings…the curse of having to live in the real world. Teams like the Cards maintain strong organizations so are expected to be there every year. The PBC still has to establish that they can and will do that or maybe will and can. This we will find out.

    To me the most critical element is can Pedro raise his BA to the .260-.270 range? If not, he can not move up in the batting order and you have to find a 4 and 5 hitter, which ideally fits with the needs at 1B and RF. Would like to see Byrd resigned (2 yrs?) as a I was impressed with his whole game. I think there is more flexiblity at 1B

    The other concern is the bullpen. Can Grilli get those 2 or 3 mph back on his fast ball? If not….. Melancon was not the same pitcher the last month. What’s up with him? I did not want to see him against the Cards lefties and (unfortunately) was right. May have to reshuffle the Shark Tank.

    Oh well, fuel to cuss and discuss until next Feb.

  216. Drew71 says:

    Don’t say that. i LIKE weasels.

  217. Arriba Wilver says:

    Who knew?

  218. toochca says:

    Isn’t there a Cuban player, I think Abreau was his name that they were interested in? He doesn’t provide immediate help though, which is the original post was intending.

  219. Drew71 says:

    I’m over my hangover and looking forward to tonight’s Game Five.

  220. Drew71 says:

    Really? That comes as a surprise?

  221. Vinny Giardina says:

    Isn’t arthritis what ended Sandy Koufax’s career?

  222. cmat0829 says:


    I am with you, the Bucs have stated over and over again their goal is to win championships and to continue to compete at this level….so yes, this year had lots of successes but was ultimately a failure.

    That said, it isn’t like the other teams in the playoffs (1) aren’t damn good (2) also are going for a championship…. so I don’t always view a series loss like this as something the Pirates choked for example, I just think we fell short to a better team. And no doubt the Cards 2013 are a better, more complete team than our Pirates.

  223. Jandy says:

    You want ketchup or steak saucewith that?

  224. Arriba Wilver says:


  225. Jandy says:

    This from Wikipedia:
    The 1965 season brought more obstacles for Koufax. On March 31, the morning after pitching a complete spring training game, Koufax awoke to find that his entire left arm was black and blue from hemorrhaging. Koufax returned to Los Angeles to consult with Kerlan, who advised Koufax that he would be lucky to be able to pitch once a week. Kerlan also told Koufax that he would eventually lose full use of his arm. Koufax agreed not to throw at all between games—a resolution that lasted only one start. To get himself through the games he pitched in, Koufax resorted to Empirin with codeine for the pain, which he took every night and sometimes during the fifth inning. He also took Butazolidin for inflammation, applied capsaicin-based Capsolin ointment (called “atomic balm” by baseball players) before each game, and soaked his arm in a tub of ice afterwards.[54]

  226. Jandy says:

    this as well:
    Koufax’s 1964 season started with great expectations. On April 18, he struck out three batters on nine pitches in the third inning of a 3–0 loss to the Cincinnati Reds, becoming the only National League pitcher to have two nine-pitch/three-strikeout half-innings.[39] On April 22, however, he felt something “let go” in his arm. Koufax ended up getting three cortisone shots for his sore elbow, and missed three starts.

    On June 4, playing at Connie Mack Stadium against the Phillies, Koufax walked Richie Allen on a very close full-count pitch in the fourth inning. Allen, who was thrown out trying to steal second, was the only Phillie to reach base that day. With his third no-hitter in three years, Koufax became only the second pitcher of the modern era (after Bob Feller) to pitch three no-hitters.[52]

    Koufax jammed his pitching arm in August while diving back to second base to beat a pick-off throw. He managed to pitch and win two more games. However, the morning after his 19th win, a shutout in which he struck out 13 batters, he could not straighten his arm. He was diagnosed by Dodgers’ team physician Robert Kerlan with traumatic arthritis. With the Dodgers out of the pennant race, the book was closed on Koufax and his 19–5 record.[53]

  227. Vinny Giardina says:

    Let’s see… sometimes you don’t need the second instruction.


  228. toochca says:

    Isn’t there a Cuban player that plays 1B, I think Abreau was his name that they were interested in? He doesn’t provide immediate help though, which is the original post was intending.

    I also remember the Pirates were interested n Mark Trumbo of the Angels at the trade deadline. Rumors here in Angel territory is that they would now listen to the possibility of trading him. The angels need pitching though and I’m not sure they want prospects.

    Highlight for me from the 2013 season was watching my 10 year old son become an Pirate fan and taking him to his FIRST Pirate game in San Diego.

    Low point was watching him cry last night. :(

  229. Vinny Giardina says:

    Hey! It worked! Your ? had no bearing on it. You just doubled my efficiency!

  230. cmat0829 says:

    to each their own, indeed. my post was factual and was not intended to bash any particular poster. It was a recap of our roller coaster season and praise for a team that proved us wrong over and over again. but they did have to do it on the field, to prove they could do it, and they have to do it all over again in 2014. There are no guarantees and you start each season with 0 wins. and every single one of the wins — and losses — are earned by that team at that time.

  231. tpbco says:

    Yes classy tweet, classy AND confident organization, without being cocky.

    They KNOW they will be there. Hope the PBC learned what it takes and commits to be there, year in and year out, too.

  232. BigE says:

    Koufax did. He did OK, even if he had a short career.

  233. Arriba Wilver says:

    “Was not intended to bash any particular poster.” Nope, it was more broad-ranging than that.

    Thanks, Bill. And thanks for the education, Professor.

  234. NMR says:

    That was a War Horsian list. :)

  235. cmat0829 says:

    AGREE EMPHATICALLY. Cards are an outstanding organization, they are most certainly stocked with young pitching… and no doubt they will be the team to beat for a while. That said, they have holes..they are not unbeatable. And the Pirates are in a great position to compete as well.

    To me, the Reds will take a step back (or two) and the Brewers and Cubs are still building. It will actually be better for the Pirates if the Brewers and Cubs get better IMHO because the way the Pirates play (low scoring, close games) they won’t be able to dominate the weaker teams the way the Cards can. Better for the Cards to be tested more often as they play within the division.

    Oh, and the Cards are due for a major regression in RISP (already started with this NLDS)…we’ll see how they do against the Dodgers.

  236. Jandy says:

    Now, let’s be fair to War Horse

  237. Arriba Wilver says:


  238. cmat0829 says:

    I value Byrd at either $8M for one year or a 2-year deal at $12M….structured at $8 and $4M. If someone will pay more, then bye-bye Byrdy.

  239. cmat0829 says:

    im guessing it’s chai latte flavored regurg…

  240. Jandy says:


  241. cmat0829 says:

    PLAYOFFS, accept my humble THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for all of your efforts in running the window… I hope you skip the Winter Leagues this offseason and you can recharge your batteries for another run in 2014…. not sure I can be counted on to run the thing full time, but I’d gladly accept partial duties — either running weekends or some other type of contribution…. count me in.

    And I don’t see why you couldn’t wager on your own lines

  242. NMR says:

    That’s awesome, tooch. Been fun having you around.

    The scout-turned-writer or writer-turned-scout types seem to think Abreu can step in immediately for a big league club next season, fwiw.

    I’m leaning toward something along the lines of your second option, though. I think this club is done with the washed up free agents, but know they can’t land the high priced ones either. That leaves the trade market as the place to upgrade.

  243. Vinny Giardina says:

    OK, here’s my dilemma going on 40+ years… when your team loses in the playoffs, do you:

    A. Do the classy thing and root for the team that beat your team
    B. Do the petulant thing and root for their opponent(s), for as long as their run lasts
    C. Root for whichever team wins your League’s championship
    D. Sulk and root for no one
    E. Hope that Detroit wins so you can root for Jim Leyland

  244. Arriba Wilver says:

    Being a 40 year fan, I’m going with E.

  245. toochca says:

    I’m guessing he doesn’t feel he can wager on them because he is giving away prizes and doesn’t want the conflict of interest.

    He’s definately Not Pete Rose!!

  246. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s not unfair,

  247. NMR says:

    Yeah, dude still is 36. Nothing can change that.

    Ludwick’s 2/$15m seems about right.

  248. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Wow, I was definetly the Jeff Locke of the second half.

  249. cmat0829 says:

    so, i guess we are saying that on an opinion blog, not all opinions are welcome, including broad-ranging recaps of certain blog comments that are a matter of record?

    sorry if my post was at the least ‘unnecessarily educational’ and at the most ‘offensive to other opinionated posters’.

    I guess I see this as an opinion blog… we all bring our opinions…some we have huge conviction on, some we lean one way or the other but shrug our shoulders either way. All of it is entertaining. My opinion is that too often this year, people buried this team, thought they were finished. And the team proved them wrong. That’s all. If folks that posted those opinions can’t take any post that declares those opinions to be wrong, then I guess I wonder what this blog and any blog is for.

    This isn’t the Wall St Journal, page is it? And if it is, there is way too many Buc Nation mentions…..

  250. Thundercrack says:

    I thought that I heard Abreu has trouble with hitting fastballs or the offspeed stuff. I can’t remember which. But some were wondering how he would handle those pitching is the majors.

  251. Arriba Wilver says:


  252. Thundercrack says:

    I think Jim Leyland is a very good manager and I like him a lot.

    But if he doesn’t make it to at least the WS this season I will begin to wonder if he isn’t just a tad over rated.

    Still very good, but maybe not as great as I thought

  253. Arriba Wilver says:

    He’s setting the spread. And he’s brilliant doing it, but you can’t have the guy setting the spread betting the spread.

  254. defil21 says:

    Sigh….nothing worse than telling your 3 year old daughter that the Jolly Roger flag won’t be raised again until April, and hearing a response of Why daddy did the bad guys win? Did they have better bats? I won’t be able to do my Bucco dance until April? :(

  255. toochca says:

    Thanks NMR!! Been great “getting to know” everyone here!! All have made me feel welcome.

    Well OK most. I was called “illusional” by one!! I’m atteding his SS camp this summer so maybe I can learn to play my own position finally and I’m only 50 so maybe..

  256. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Definitely don’t think they choked.

  257. theplanisworking says:

    How did you learn to bold, Jandy?

  258. toochca says:

    Tell her she can do her Bucco dance 365 days a year!! In 172 more days it starts all over again!! That’s why baseball starts in the Spring – “Hope springs eternal”!

  259. cmat0829 says:

    F. not watch much, if not any, of the remaining postseason because there is no compelling reason to watch.

    If I can’t have F, then I want:

    G. Root for Oakland, because I want an underdog to win and someone new

    If I can’t have G, then:

    E. Leyland is a class act.

  260. toochca says:

    F. ANY American League team (Except maybe Boston)

  261. NMR says:

    Yes. Yes, that is exactly what we are saying.


    Sheesh :)

    DK: (Nudges from deep sleep, barely acknowledges shriek of terror, goes right back to sleep.)

  262. Arriba Wilver says:


    My opinion was your opinion, as expressed by you, was weaselly. I didn’t know Drew liked weasels.

  263. defil21 says:

    Well I did tell her she can still do her Pens and Steelers dance in the mean time :)

  264. 21sthebest says:

    I’m rooting for the Cardinals and the A’s hoping the A’s can finally win a World Series.

    I have a love/hate thing going with Leyland. Leave a job once, okay. But three times is a bit much for me. But I really like his passion.

  265. Thundercrack says:

    Today so many people at work have asked me if I am upset or depressed because the Pirates lost and are out of it. Absolutely NOT.

    I have come to realize that it is all about managing your expectations and not getting too caught up in the ‘snapshots’ during the season. I didn’t let a 3 game losing streak be a snapshot that drove me crazy.

    My expectations coming out of ST were that I wanted & expected a winning season. Got it!
    Then expectations can change. Sure I wanted them to win the division. Yes I wanted them to go further in the playoffs. But as someone who is more than just a casual baseball fan, I could see the holes/weaknesses in this team. And they went farther than I ever had thought of. I went to the Wild Card game. I have never experienced a sporting event like that ever in my life.

    And I guess I am not one of those fans that thinks “if you’re close to the playoffs you have to go for it every chance you get” or “once the playoffs starts every team has the same chance”. I love baseball but I don’t view the game that way. There will be another Pirate baseball season next year, and the year after that.

    So I feel great today. But I do expect to be cursing Wacca & Wainwright all winter long.
    And I can’t wait for Spring Training so I can buy a new Lucky Hat.

  266. NMR says:

    I’ve read that his bat is slow. At least relative to major league power pitchers. He’ll crush the back end starters but struggle with qualit pitching.

    And he’s worthless in the field and on the bases. American League guy all the way. Pirates won’t come close, nor should they.

  267. theplanisworking says:

    I choose D, but I strongly disagree with your description.

    Of the remaining teams, i have no interest in any of them.
    I know Bud hopes for a StL-LA, and Sox-Det final 4, but I like none of those teams.
    I also have hockey to look forward to, and see how the Steelers turn out.
    I certainly am not “sulking”, as you describe it, I just know MY team is out of the playoffs, so I move forward…………….regardless of your over-the-top description.

  268. tomp says:

    No chance they sign the Cuban, since the Met’s and others have already showed interest.

    With all this extra revenue they received from the 3 sold out playoff games, they hopefully will spend it wisely, and not even consider keeping the team payroll the same .

    If you want to play with the big boys, you got to anty up, once in a while.
    I really don’t want to see Morneau back, he did very little, and 0 hr’s and 3 rbi’s was down right pitiful , especially from a guy in the clean up spot.

    Make an offer to Byrd, but i doubt he comes back.
    Burnett won’t be back, after getting snubbed for the game 5 start.

    Need to find a solid 1st baseman, whether he is a Right or a left handed bat., The main thing is i hope the guy can produce, like a 1st baseman should.
    No more Gaby Sanchez, he just isn’t worth the cost.!

  269. tomp says:

    My baseball season ended last night. I may watch a game, but i won’t be making my plans around them, or making sure my DVR is recording them.

    This blows!. What a tough way to end it all, 2 runs in 18 innings, was down right pathetic!!!!.

  270. theplanisworking says:

    So, let ne get this straight……………..

    you are complaining about posters opinions of you, after you list 15 things that you complain about other posters opinions?


  271. Vinny Giardina says:

    I was exaggerating for effect. I’m not actually sulking. It’s a good thing I didn’t go with “get suicidal”… someone might have called the cops.

  272. Vinny Giardina says:

    I agree. It’s all about the journey. It would been great to move on, but what a season.

  273. Arriba Wilver says:


  274. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I think you nailed it there with Jordy.

    He won’t be spectacular. His effort is very good.

    His bat is average also.

    That being said, its still better than what the PBC has had in years.

    I don’t think many will complain about .280/10/50.

    I think he should become the fulltime SS starting next season. If it doesn’t pain out and the Pirates are on another run for the division, then trade to get a guy.

    This season should teach us all about the patience of baseball.

  275. Arriba Wilver says:


  276. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Who cares?

    I’d worry about upsetting people that actually know the game above the LL level.

    Even then, I still don’t worry about upsetting people.

  277. Jandy says:

    ahahahahaa! Blows! Is there a league?


  278. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    The Cuban defector Abreu would be my first pick.

    Could he be the Pirates version of Puig? Or Cepedes?

    He’s younger than any possible FA 1B out there and to be honest, none of the others would really be worth looking at.

    Rather just keep Jones/Sanchez over the other guys.

  279. Jandy says:

    That is so adorable! lol

    Tell her she can still do the Bucco dance every day to stay sharp ;)

  280. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Can’t argue that Drew…

    As the backup, I’m OK with that and obviously a cut in pay. I like Barmes, I have since he came up with the Rockies.

  281. Jandy says:

    +++many to all of yinz!

  282. Jandy says:

    Ha! B for me, my friend, but I’m not petulant, I’m vindictive…
    it’s not nice to fool Mother Theresa

  283. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m still doing the Bucco dance . . . In the privacy of my own home.

  284. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Yea, Biz has said before that its for current locations. I tried adding other residencies as well.

    He said no…..

  285. theplanisworking says:

    Hopefully, you are clothed. ;)

  286. Jandy says:

    Illusional Tooch…haha priceless, stick around friend. I enjoy your posts :)

  287. Jandy says:

    I think you need another drink, Drew Dahling

  288. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Pretty appropriate I thought.

  289. Jandy says:

    friggin Drew, he blew it!

  290. AJS says:

    Depending on how long youthink they can keep Petey in town once he is due to get paid, and haing the mega agent he has, moving Petey to first to make room for Stetson Allie at third in a couple years might make sense. But mercer…no.

  291. Jandy says:

    Vinny Giardina showed us up there ^^

  292. defil21 says:

    Well it’s pretty much the same dance for all 3 teams, but I do give her credit for being 3 and when she see’s which team is on the TV she knows which team dance to do. I do look forward to when she’s 6 and I can take her to her first game like my dad did with me. Lord and you probably too Jandy know if I took her now somehow that child would make it on the field, strip nude, and start running the bases with her little Jolly Roger flag.

  293. theplanisworking says:

    “My expectations coming out of ST were that I wanted & expected a winning season. Got it! Then expectations can change. ”

    Wait a minute……………. last month when I said expectations can change after our initial expectations coming out of ST, you said I was wrong.
    Now today, you are saying that is a correct viewpoint.
    Which one is it? Or does it matter who is the person saying it?

    Help a brother out here, please.

  294. theplanisworking says:

    “My expectations coming out of ST were that I wanted & expected a winning season. Got it! Then expectations can change. ”

    Wait a minute……………. last month when I said expectations can change after our initial expectations coming out of ST, you said I was wrong.
    Now today, you are saying that is a correct viewpoint.
    Which one is it? Or does it matter who is the person saying it?

    Help a brother out here, please.

  295. defil21 says:

    He said privacy of his own home :)

  296. theplanisworking says:

    Wait, Drew does WHAT to weasels????

  297. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Well said plan.

    “This loss feels like an opportunity lost, but a valuable learning experience for the Bucs moving forward.”

    Summed it up perfectly. I am disappointed, but not about the season, just that its over.

    I can’t wait until spring training and beyond. This team is going to be very good for the foreseeable future.

    Of course, NH’s work is not done. I wouldn’t think a GM’s job is ever complete.

  298. theplanisworking says:

    And that means what?
    For all we know, he has no curtains……. ;)

  299. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Agree 100%.

    To me, the Cards are the best organization in MLB and have been or quite a few years.

  300. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Agree on both Cumpton and Pimental. I really like SP’s arm and “stuff.”

  301. Jandy says:

    :pours cup of cold starbucks on Dejan’s head:


  302. Jandy says:


  303. theplanisworking says:

    Dont shoot the messenger.

  304. Jandy says:

    cmat, c’mon dude, get with it! You were being a weaselly smart azz and got your own chit thrown back at ya.

    Chill out :D

  305. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    OK with Loney.

    But the wild card is the Cuban Abreu. 26. Actually dripping with power, its muggy down there.

    IF there is no upgrade, no reason to sign somebody to sign somebody. Some else will be available when they are needed.

    Gaby and Jones put up what? 23 HRs? Average was low, still decent power production from a predominant power position.

  306. Jandy says:

    No would shoot he resident Hippo!

  307. Jandy says:

    As long as you don’t dance like Miley Cyrus, it’s all good

  308. Jandy says:

    Actually, Professor defil, I’d bet she would have a blast. Take her next spring.

  309. Dom says:

    Think Leyland and his Tigers are moving on to the NLCS?

    I think the A’s will put an end to their season tonight.

  310. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree with Biz and Kevin, but even if I didn’t it’s up to Biz.

    How many people, especially Service people, you think have been in multiple locations in the past?

  311. theplanisworking says:

    This blog is a “no=twerking” zone.

  312. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m good with either. Love the “small market” teams.

  313. defil21 says:

    Well if were still here in VA I just might do that, and if you see a nude 4 year old running the bases you’ll know who’s kid she belongs too :)

  314. tomp says:

    Going to be a pretty crowded field with St Louis and LA already in the NLCS!

  315. defil21 says:

    Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. I admit I did not factor curtains into the whole privacy of my own home debate.

  316. Bizrow says:

    Thanks, I had a good time.

    Best part was what we saw on the field though


  317. Bizrow says:

    Thanks for putting up with me Playoffs ;-)

  318. Bizrow says:

    So is everyone present and accounted for?

    “Every happy ending needs to have a start” – Moody Blues

    Ladies and Gentlemen of the Lunatic Nation, we have ignition

    We ain’t seen nothing yet ;-)

  319. Dom says:

    Speaking of which, I just found this article about David Price expecting to be dealt from the small market Rays:

  320. theplanisworking says:

    Biz, look near the top of this thread ^^^^^, more Lunatics checked in.

  321. Bizrow says:

    Well said, TC, am right with you on these thoughts

  322. defil21 says:

    I just said the exact same thing to my Mets fan buddy.

  323. 21sthebest says:


  324. NMR says:

    They’ll be better for it, too.

  325. Dom says:

    Better for losing Price? How is that possible?

  326. toochca says:

    Make sure to take her on a Sunday!! Kids do run the bases on Sunday!!

  327. toochca says:

    I think they are clothed!! Dont know if it’s optional…

  328. Steve says:

    All you deeply saddened Pirates fans should be heartened to know that Mike Tomlin has banned all table games from the Steeler’s locker room. Surely this move will turn things around and we’ll soon be focused on the Steeler’s playoff seeding, thoughts of home field advantage, Stairway to Seven, etc. etc. A nice diversion until April rolls around and the Pirates can pick up where they left off.

  329. Jandy says:


  330. toochca says:

    Thank God for the Pens!!

  331. Thundercrack says:

    Not sure what you mean, plan.

    But maybe I wasn’t clear in what I wrote. For some people, their expectations can change throughout the season.

    My expectations didn’t change. After they got the winning season everything else was gravy to me.

  332. Jandy says:


  333. Vinny Giardina says:

    I hear you. I’m half-Sicilian, so “B” appeals to me greatly. I’m trying to rise above it and be an “A”, but it’s hard. Maybe in a few days I’ll re-think it.

  334. Jandy says:

    nah….don’t over-think it, Vinny LOL!

  335. theplanisworking says:

    So “no table games” is now the Standard?? Wow.
    Add to that the no ping-pong stuff, and we can see the way to victory!!!!

    I notice that the games of cutting Dwyer, then resigning him, and the games of signing a horrible tackle arent done yet, however.

    Man, there must be no mirrors at Steelers HQ.

  336. Jim S. says:

    I think they’ll fleece the Dodgers of several key prospects for him.

  337. Jim S. says:

    I’ve been busy all day and did not have a chance to check in. I’m sure I am reiterating what so many of you have felt and said already. Last night was hugely deflating. I thought we had a good chance to win, but the fact is the Cardinals snuffed out a potential rally in the 2nd when Pedro’s liner to RF was snagged by Carpenter and turned into a DP. From there, Wainwright and the rest of the Cardinals took over.

    They were the better team this year, but not by much. We took them to the wire in this series, after battling them tooth and nail all year head-to-head and in the standings. I have said all along that I don’t view this as a one and done thing. I realize you never know what can happen, and nothing is for certain in future years. Prospects may or may not pan out. But, this is the best I’ve felt about the Bucs in over 20 years. I know that. And, I have thoroughly enjoyed discussing it with all of you all season. I can’t wait for next baseball season.

  338. toochca says:

    Speaking of Tomlin…
    Is it just me or does Felix Pie look like him? Does anyone ever see them at the same time?

  339. Steve says:

    Just wait – Unleash Hell II is probably in the planning stages.

  340. Jandy says:

    hey Jim, good to see you today. Hope to see you around here thru the winter, too. Buccos will be fine next Spring. :)

  341. Jandy says:

    It’s no wonder the Steelers team is a mess. if the priorities are ping pongs and game tables, and whether or not there are any…well…

    Let’s get real!

  342. theplanisworking says:

    I am waiting for Unleash Sleep.

  343. 21sthebest says:

    Enjoy the IC Lights!

  344. NMR says:

    If the team doesn’t go with a platoon at 1B, then Gaby is gone. If they do, you’re not gonna get a guy who hits lefties any cheaper…or better.

    I’d take a run at Corey Hart.

  345. toochca says:

    Mayb they should try to do something about the bickering in the locker room!!

  346. 21sthebest says:

    “Cardinals snuffed out a potential rally in the 2nd when Pedro’s liner to RF was snagged by Carpenter ”

    Man I thought that was huge. If we could have gotten a lead there, maybe a completely different ballgame.

  347. NMR says:

    The difference between Price and the pitcher who replaces him will be smaller than the difference between the position player that headlines the package they get for Price and the one he’s replacing.

    Think James Shields, but more.

  348. toochca says:

    That and the Cards giving us 5 outs in an inning and only scoring 1 run. If Pedros ball doesn’t hit the bag does Fatty get it?

  349. Jandy says:

    You’d have to get rid of at least a half dozen players to do that ;X

  350. toochca says:

    Your point is…?

  351. NMR says:

    “…Dodgers of several key prospects…”

    Oxymoron? :)

    I’m guessing Kevin Towers won’t be able to resist after Price’s “nerds” comment.

  352. Jandy says:

    I don’t HAVE to have a point :P

  353. toochca says:

    To quote Mike Singletary “Can’t win with ‘em, can’t play with ‘em!”

  354. toochca says:


  355. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    Thanks man….I appreciate you doing this and I could only imagine what grind it truly was.

    One of the main reason I came to the blog.

  356. Kevin says:

    The cards aren’t better… they just got hot at the right time and got good pitching. I can’t help but think that series woulda been drastically different if the pirates had home field advantage instead… of course then we woulda missed the greatest game all season at PNC park.

  357. buggee says:

    Thanks much Playoffs. Ya had some great lines Hermano!

    Of course I was the Johnny Cueto of The Window; i just dropped… the… ball!

    This is why me mama always told me, “Neva neva gamble ya big BUG. Ya just aint smart enuff.” (I think she told my lil wifelett to say that to me too–not the gambling thing, the aint-smart-enuff thing)

    Raise it (or something). And how about that spetacular job done by Jay Bell? Man did that guy DEE-liver or what? Dominos aint got nuttin on the ole Bell-ringer! Lots of plunked fish from all those taters hammered out of the park by buc’s bats (please note tongue firmly in cheek)

    Anyhoo, my sincere gratitude goes out to the Team on Federal Street. it’s been uber-entertaining over the past 2 seasons. So let’s all hoist it while we watch (somewhat detachedly) as the Stillers/Housewives of Pittsburgh flounder about, and the Pens quietly round themselves into major favs for Lord Stanley’s beverage vessel.

    sayanara y’all. check ya tomorrow

  358. NMR says:

    Aw, just saw this Jandy. I truly appreciate it.

    Love my Pens, but doubt I’ll be entering the fray much this winter. Gotta finally get some damn work done! :)

  359. Jandy says:

    Good to hear from you, friend.

    It’s hockey season now…you needa show up once in a while, hear?

  360. Jandy says:

    I hear ya on the work thing, NMR. I’ve been slacking a bit too..gotta buckle down.
    But I’ll be around…so pop in once in a while, friend.

  361. Jandy says:

    Gotta get some stuff done. Mr. Night Janitor, take care of things, friend.
    Catch you soon! :*

  362. Kevin says:

    definitely rooting for the winner of the Detroit/Oakland series… Oakland’s the last of the “small market” teams left. And they’ve been knocked out early the last 3 chances I believe… so wouldn’t mind seeing them go the distance.

  363. tpbco says:

    Ironically, there was an article (before the game) on how the Cards generally did not believe in defensive shifts…and without this shift that hit was a solid single to right.

    To me the difference was a very fine line.

    In game 4, they get a walk then a HR…we get a HR then a walk – and lose 2-1.

    In game 5, IMO Cole was as good or better than Wainright, but left one breakiing ball up…one bad pitch and it changed the game, the series and the season.

    It was that close.

  364. Kevin says:

    I agree totally.. that was probably the biggest play of the night for the cardinals. Otherwise, its 1st n 2nd with no outs in the 2nd and anything can happen.

  365. buggee says:

    i hear and obey. now, who do you want me to slay?

  366. toochca says:

    Does he come with an extra “carton of baseballs”?

  367. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    My 5 year old son went to bed crying last night because of the loss.

    I told him the season was over and they didn’t win the world series, he said “but they worked so hard to get there.”


  368. buggee says:

    Mercer at third?!?!?! ACK!

  369. buggee says:

    and who wears his cap over his ears?

  370. Karen22 says:

    No you weren’t – you stayed near the top all season. I claim Jeff Locke status. Stayed in the upper third in the standings until the last three weeks. Finished in Epic Collapse fashion close to the bottom of the barrel. Ah well…it was fun anyway!

  371. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    I are one…….

  372. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:


  373. Nor Cal Stlrfanrtc (Ryan) says:

    lol…that didn’t work

  374. Milo Hamilton says:

    So Tomlin has banned all table games from the Steelers locker room. Guess the slots will have to do.

  375. Vinny Giardina says:

    I can relate to that. Kind of like the early 70’s all over again. Rudi! Rudi! Rudi!

  376. NMR says:

    One more life lesson on the way to sayin F it and end up smokin doobies and eating Doritos on the couch in your basement instead of going to college…

    I joke like that with my friends who have kids, and they usually don’t find it funny. So I apologize in advance.

  377. Steve says:

    I think they kept the chuck-a-luck wheel up too.

  378. theplanisworking says:



  379. theplanisworking says:

    Good to know I can still read directions……… ;)

  380. Karen22 says:

    THAT was cool!

    I’m sure we must have gotten similar, classy tweets from Reds’ reporters. I must have missed them….

  381. Karen22 says:

    That’s a tough one for me this year. Normally, I’d root for a team I have a vested interest in for some reason. Lived in Detroit for six years and went to the World Series with them (literally – only Series game I’ve ever been to) in 1984. So you’d think I’d be rooting for the Tigers. ALSO, a sister of the Red Sox third base coach is a friend of mine. So you’d think I might also be rooting for the Sox.

    But I am sick to death of the big market disparity in baseball. So I’m secretly rooting, as I normally do with no vested interest, for the underdog. That would be Oakland (payroll close to that of the Pirates). I don’t know diddly about them. Go A’s!

  382. Karen22 says:

    AW – The Tigers are hardly a “small market” team. Their payroll ($149 million) is more than double the A’s ($69 mil).

  383. Karen22 says:



  384. Jim S. says:

    I’ll be here as often as I can, Jandy.

  385. Jim S. says:

    It sure was. Give St. Louis credit. They learned from leaving that hole open and having it cost them on Sunday night.

  386. Jim S. says:


  387. Jim S. says:

    I heard they can also use the Rock ‘em Sock’ em robots and Gnip Gnop.

  388. Jim S. says:

    I hear you. The Dodgers don’t usually have much. But, on my drive home last night I heard Peter Gammons talking about several key prospects that are all very highly regarded that he thought could go in a Price deal. If the 4 guys he mentioned are as good as Gammons said, Tampa will be licking their chops. And the Dodgers will probably be only too happy to give them up.

  389. Jim S. says:


  390. bizrow says:

    It can’t be where you have been, its where you are, where you are posting from.

    So I think trips may be ok to log, as you are a lunatic and you have infected that area ;-)

  391. bizrow says:

    I saw it, we are now 433

    Thanks, Roger

  392. bman says:

    Thanks so much playoffs! It was truly enjoyable to come up to the window and place bets!!

    Thanks for all the work you put into it!

  393. Steve in VA says:

    Today sucks but I think that is do more to the fact it has been raining none stop here for the past 48 hours.

    I just hope this wasn’t are one shot window. I was 7 years old since the pirates last made the playoffs and really wondered if I would ever really get to see pirates postseason baseball(I have no memory of that game 7 it was probably past my bed time).

    Talk about salt in the wound though, my pirates postseason shirt that I ordered a few weeks ago came in the mail today.

  394. Arriba Wilver says:

    I know, Karen. I wasn’t clear in my post. The “small market ” referred to the A’s only. But if the Tigers make it, I’ll stick with Jim Leyland. But if the A’s make it, I’m good because of the small market. And, I loved Moneyball.

  395. Drew71 says:

    Sucks to be us, huh?

    At least we can play table games.

  396. Arriba Wilver says:


  397. Arriba Wilver says:

    They still play table games? I’ve played Monopoly, Jeopardy, Yahtzee, Trivial Pursuit et al for years in their video game versions. Were they playing Candyland and Chutes and Ladders? No wonder they’re 0-4.

  398. bizrow says:

    Save it and savor it

    The best is yet to come

    We have hope and we expect

    That is a beautiful thing

    Oh, crap though, we have crappy draft picks next year ;-)

  399. Milo Hamilton says:

    Mark Plansky ?

  400. Milo Hamilton says:

    Mike Tomlin has just ordered the shark tank removed from the Pirates clubhouse.

  401. Milo Hamilton says:

    Where’s the Blackhawk-Montour thread ?

  402. Arriba Wilver says:


  403. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Tell Chris Carpenter thanks for the nice words after Mondays game.
    I wish him nothing but the same!

  404. theplanisworking says:

    If that doesnt work, he can always get another Penguin Wall of Honor picture removed….

  405. bizrow says:

    Three weeks from today, Halloween, I will turn in my badge, my choice, after 37 years of working at Beaver Valley Power Station.

    I missed Monday’s game and many others because I had to work

    No mas

    Now I gotta see the Pens at Consol and the Steelers at Heinz to fill my bucket list

    Oh yeah, one more thing, and the biggest, another WS title for the burgh

    First two are up to me

    Last one, its gonna happen, and soon

    I believe

  406. theplanisworking says:

    Blackhawk lost to my alma mater last week, 46-42.
    My alma mater isnt good enough to score 46 points.

    Where has the D gone?

  407. JohninOshkosh says:

    Let’s go Bears !

    Who will win first ? Giants or Steelers.

    Melissa Starks looks like she’s on Star Trek. Odd look.

  408. Milo Hamilton says:

    Congratulations Biz. Here’s to many more years of winning Buccos. How about we start another streak ?

  409. theplanisworking says:

    Yes she does.
    Kinda scary actually……..

  410. Vinny Giardina says:

    What didn’t work?

  411. JohninOshkosh says:

    I say this as a Bears fan so it comes from love. A strong argument can be made that Jay Cutler is the greatest QB in Bears franchise history.

    That’s kinda scary actually…

  412. Milo Hamilton says:

    Not Bob Avellini ?

  413. Drew71 says:

    My “babies” are 24 and 20, yet I went right to Candyland and Chutes and Ladders, too.

    I didn’t go to Yahtzee, Monopoly and Trvial Pursuit video games, though.

    I may be a weasel but I’m not a nerd.

  414. JohninOshkosh says:

    HaHaHaHa. Makes me cringe to hear that name. It’s either Avellini or Peter Tom Willis !

  415. Shoot. I was thinking Bobby Douglas.

  416. Milo Hamilton says:

    Vince Evans.

  417. Reading says:

    Just rewatched the end of the Cubs game where they clinched. Had totally forgotten about the play at the plate ending. Awesome “surprise” while reliving the events of the last weeks.

  418. Didn’t Craig Krenzel start a couple games for the Bears?

  419. theplanisworking says:

    No love for Jim McMahon?

  420. Jandy says:

    Bet you can’t wait, Biz! Congrats! And enjoy it :)

  421. theplanisworking says:

    Sid Luckman, from the prehistoric era?

  422. JohninOshkosh says:

    Stop it, you guys before you get to Rick Mirer and Cade McNown.

    Good evening to both of you.

    What has happened to Eli ?

  423. Jandy says:

    Tomlin touches the Shark Tank, I’ma put my size 9 wides where the sun don’t shine! I’d much prefer if he wouldn’t even go near PNC Park

  424. Just an off 3 years.

  425. Jandy says:

    You sure they weren’t playing Old Maid???

  426. Jandy says:

    Woop woop!

  427. JohninOshkosh says:

    This was fun. Stroll down the avenue of mediocrity. I think every hack who has picked up a football in the NFL has started for the Bears at one time or another.

    Yet another reason Pittsburgh sports fans are spoiled. :)

  428. Jandy says:

    Eli is being smothered by big bruddah

  429. Jandy says:


  430. Milo Hamilton says:

    No fair Plan, Hall of Famers not allowed. :)

  431. Arriba Wilver says:

    The Yahtzee I played, you would like. That’s all I’m going to say.

    Did not involve weasels, but it was a 2 person game (OK, I said a little more).

  432. Drew71 says:


  433. theplanisworking says:

    You have a game named after you? ;)

    I have a game named after me…….. its called spell cat with a c and a ………… and I still lose…….

  434. theplanisworking says:

    Milo, I knew I should have gone with Jim Miller………………….. ;)

  435. Lad 9 says:

    Henry Burris. Worst ever and a Bear. Just had a discussion last week with my colleague in Chicago and all of these names popped up. Plus Mike Ditka trashed Bob Avellini on Mike and Mike on Monday. Good stuff!

  436. Lad 9 says:

    That is awesome Biz! Congratulations. I hope you nail every item on that bucket list.

  437. Lad 9 says:

    As long as he doesn’t have the snark tank removed from this here blog…. :)

  438. JohninOshkosh says:

    2013. The year defense died in the NFL.

  439. bizrow says:


    The last three weeks are going to be a ride.

    Just wanted to say why I may not be around at times

    I really thought this was the time

    Go like 60

    In 2014

  440. bizrow says:

    Its been legislated by the big shots for years

    A pinball game

  441. Lad 9 says:

    test test 2

  442. Milo Hamilton says:

    Baseball’s glass ceiling is at work again. Teams like the Pirates, A’s or Tampa can never have pitchers like Wainwright or Verlander at this stage of their respective careers. Verlander 7 years/$180 million. Wainwright 5 years/$97.5 million. The Pirates and A’s are forced to throw rookies, talented rookies, but rookies nonetheless.

  443. Milo Hamilton says:

    $180 million is perfect through 5. Sonny Gray is a cute little story. Sound familiar ?

  444. Lad 9 says:

    The haves and the have nots. Very familiar Milo.

  445. theplanisworking says:

    You know guys, I was thinking of this when the Pens opened their season last week.

    Sports leagues have to make a choice, do they want competitive balance, or do they want $$$$$. The NBA, and MLB want $$$$$$………… as evidenced by the big markets ruling the rrost in MLB, and Stern wanting Miami to win almost every year.

    The NFL and NHL want competitive balance, knowing the more teams having a chance to win, the more $$$$ they get. Thats why almost every team feels they have achance in those leagues, and 50% of teams in the NBA and MLB are eliminated from day 1.

    The only thing I dont get is that MLB’s system works…………. MLB has great revenues, while 50% of teams cant win. Go figure. Just cant wrap my head around some teams willing to lose players to bigger market teams, shrugging their shoulders and saying “thats baseball”.

    Thats why I am the night janitor of this blog……………. ;)

  446. Milo Hamilton says:

    Verlander walks a man but still no hitting the A’s through 6.

  447. Milo Hamilton says:

    I can’t figure out the NBA. They have a cap, sort of. There are so many ways to circumvent it there may as well not be one. The Larry Bird Rule, the mid level exception.

    In baseball, the haves give just enough to keep the have nots happy until they start to complain again. Then they’ll give just a little more.

  448. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, something is wrong in Denmark.

    I havent followed the NBA labor pact, but I thought I heard somewhere they eliminated the Bird provision……. but maybe not.

    In MLB, Selig made sure the “big boys” w ere taken care of in regards to the draft……… punishing teams for spending overslot, which used to benefit the small market teams.

    This is why I get a headache trying to figure it out………. and I just watch the games…….. knowing some teams can never win……… and the league wants it that way.

    Back to sweeping floors………

  449. JohninOshkosh says:

    I think Verlander got sick of everyone talking about the kids.

    If this holds, second straight year he has won decisive game in Oakland.

    Still a no no through 6 1/3

  450. Milo Hamilton says:

    No no goes bye bye. Cespedes singles with 2 outs in the 7th.

  451. Arriba Wilver says:

    TBS’s Pitchtrax is meaningless. I have no idea why they show it when they ignore it. Just take it down.

  452. Bob Hasis says:

    I guess Johnny Lujack slipped your mind – from Connellsville, PA

  453. JohninOshkosh says:


  454. Bob Hasis says:

    I grieve – yes grieve – that we failed after coming so far. I would say we over-achieved greatly. Whoever said “you can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear” was wrong.

    Despite numerous unqualified individuals in a variety of places, we gave it a damn good run.

    I look forward with strong confidence, that the necessary reparations will be made where we lacked.

    Perhaps the players were the culprits this year – perhaps not – but I am beating the drum and blowing the bugle (at the same time) that the front office has used up its last “get out of jail free card”, and for next year IT ALL RIDES ON THEM!

    AMEN to a fun season

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