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Morning Java: Tomlin’s mea culpa

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …

>> The TribLIVE Radio show today — 2-3 p.m. — will feature fresh interviews from the Steelers’ locker room, as well as the Trib’s Penn State beat writer Chris Adamski in studio.

Call me at 412-320-7925 or email

To listen, just click on the link above. If you’re mobile, try the TribLIVE Radio app.

>> The Mike Tomlin sideline saga is covered by Alan Robinson. All that’s missing now is the actual NFL punishment.

Tomlin’s press conference is analyzed in Joe Starkey’s Wednesday column.

Out of respect to this being Joe’s column day, I’ll limit my own reaction to that topic thusly: I didn’t think on Thanksgiving that Tomlin did anything wrong intentionally. I didn’t think it after seeing the first video, second video, Zapruder video, All-22 video. And I didn’t think it after hearing the man yesterday.

Fine him for being on the field during play. That’s it.

There is a lot that I don’t appreciate about Tomlin. Some of that’s been in print. Some of it hasn’t. He isn’t particularly likable, to put it mildly. But I’ve never for a second questioned his integrity, and it’s stunning to me the number of people willing — no eager — to do exactly that.

Here’s our full Steelers coverage.

Here’s Dolphins news from the Miami Herald.

Here are official game highlights from


>> The Penguins get a statuesque goal from Sidney Crosby in overtime against the Islanders, by Rob Rossi in lovely Uniondale.

If you missed the goal, that’s OK. The Islanders did, too.

Here’s our full Penguins coverage.

Here’s Islanders news from Newsday.

Here are official game highlights from


>> Pitt rises up to a physical challenge from Penn State, by Kevin Gorman at the Pete. That’s 8-0.

>> A financial breakdown of the Pirates’ roster, by Rob Biertempfel.

>> Here are this week’s three winners in the Write-Your-Own-Column contest …

Patrick from Rhode Island on possible embarrassment in the Tomlin sideline aftermath:

Tomlin steps on the field, and ESPN hemorrhages. Days before, an NBA coach spills a drink to stall the game. Taken separately, these create only minor embarrassments to the teams. But if we could blow Tomlin’s misstep out of proportion sufficient to restore more sanctity to the playing field, all sports could improve. For example, the NCAA could give a basket and the ball to the other team every time a coach steps on a live court. An improvement like this would make Tomlin’s small step a giant leap for all sports fans.

DJ on Jeff Zatkoff as the Penguins’ backup:

Cannot take Zatkoff seriously until sample size is larger and he wins against better teams on a consistent basis, rather than the isolated game. Although bigger than Marc-Andre Fleury, there are more holes in his stance. He’s a flopper and slower to recover after an initial stop. Consequently, there have been many ripe second-chance opportunities when he’s flat on his back. Fortunately, most have been swept aside by teammates being in the right place at precisely the right time.  He’s a bright kid who’s improved since early outings. But he still needs to prove he’s a solid second option.

Wild Bill on Bill O’Brien being a success at Penn State:

O’Brien’s work in Year 2 was even more impressive than the last. The obvious team leaders graduated. The number of scholarship players shrank even more to 61. A freshman had to play quarterback. The defense was lacking in speed. The alumni continued to fight with each other. In this environment, the Lions won seven, two as big underdogs. In any realistic appraisal, O’Brien’s work was magical. And the biggest bit of magic was, with the restrictions still in place, he continues to recruit incredibly well. By two seasons from now – three at most – the Lions will truly roar.

>> Hope you can tune in today! And call!

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Thundercrack says:

    So, regarding the setup man in the Tigers’ bullpen …

    DK: Oh, I’m sure this will disintegrate into that before long.

  2. Thundercrack says:

    Very nice article by Joe Starkey

  3. Arriba Wilver says:


  4. Baywatch says:


  5. JD says:

    DK – I agree with you on this ridiculousness with Tomlin. I think that those who are overreacting didn’t like him in the first place anyways and are just piling on.

    The AFC is weak and the Steelers are still alive. Let’s see what happens.

    DK: You mean like those people who can’t get through one sentence about Tomlin without citing the Rooney Rule?

    Those people?

  6. Tina says:

    To pull that off on purpose Mike Tomlin would have to be a psychic! He had no clue that was all coming! Coaches like to be in there in case they need to argue a play I really am surprised this doesn’t happen more!

  7. pattonbb says:

    If the Steelers had won that game, there’s a chance (a very small one) that Tomlin’s blunder may have determined which team from the North got the wild card berth. There’s absolutely no way his actions were on purpose, but does that absolve him of any wrongdoing? Of course not. He’ll get fined. The Steelers will get fined, and the world will continue to spin.

    You can’t expect the NFL to have a sense of humor about this. He deserves to be punished. He will be punished.

  8. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Let me remind you (and anyone else that cares) that we are almost six days past the Steeler-Baltimore game, and the NFL still can’t release their long awaited, horse-brain decision on Mike Tomlin.
    This is how Roger Goodell and henchmen work.
    He has milked almost a week of publicity out of this, and we still await his royal decision via court jester Ray Anderson.
    All this and more from the guy that (supposedly) burned the cheating evidence on Bill Belichick and announced a guy that was mixed up in a double murder as….The Great Ray Lewis.
    Keep feeding Goodell’s power hungry, selfish mind.
    He’s loving every minute of it….

  9. Drew71 says:

    I hear Goodell is growing a handlebar mustache so he can twirl it when he laughs.

    It’s just too bad he doesn’t own a piece of the Pirates. That would be perfect.

  10. bradthedad says:

    Maybe we’ve become blasé…hey, nice play by Sid. Nice is what happens a dozen or more times a night. Watch the replay – this ain’t peewee hockey. The Isles had 5 men on the ice and he beat all 5!

  11. JAL says:

    Back to December Taylor Swift

    JAL’s Back to December Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 MLB Important Dates

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Should the Pirates Be Involved in This Free Agent Market?

    Pirates View Mike Napoli as the Perfect Fit at First Base, But…

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Rockies to overpay Justin Morneau

    6 Rumbunter

    As Pitching Market Heats Up, It’s Time To Get A.J. Burnett Deal Done

    Pittsburgh Pirates Make Smart Decision With Travis Snider

    7 Bleacher Report

    10 MLB Hitting Prospects Tearing It Up in the Winter Leagues

    8 Green Weenie

    12/3: Jerry Lynch, Chico Lind, Barney Dreyfuss, Billy Southworth and Deacon White…

    9 City of Champions

    Can Pittsburgh Pirates maintain depth advantage in 2014?

  12. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    10 Pirates Site

    As Meetings approach, Bucs consider options

    11 Hardball Times

    The end of the bench

    12 MILB

    Pirates’ big year extended to Minors

    13 Philadelphia inquirer

    Phillies Notes: Phils trade Kratz for Jays pitcher Lincoln

    14 Denver Post

    Kiszla: Rockies’ trade is a salary dump, pure and simple

    15 Asheville Citizen Times

    Hot Stove League heating up

    16 Baseball Nation

    Jacoby Ellsbury signs with Yankees for a long, long time

    17 CBS Sports

    Creating baseball’s perfect starting pitcher

    18 Fast Company

    The Evolution Of Major League Baseball Was A Hot Mess


    19 Baseball Prospectus

    A Non-Tender Bender

    20 Fangraphs

    Astros, Rockies Bet on Different Kinds of Potential

  13. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Seahawks QB Russell Wilson ties Ben Roethlisberger’s wins record

    Breaking down the Steelers’ playoff chances

    22 Steelers Gab

    Banged Up Steelers Look Ahead To Miami


    23 US Soccer

    World Cup by the Numbers: USA Holds Winning Mark Against CONMEBOL in Group Stage

    24 World Soccer Daily

    World Soccer Daily: the stories you need to read – December 3, 2013


    25 Pensburgh

    Sidney Crosby’s goal lifts Pens over Islanders in overtime

  14. Jandy says:

    Wash your mouth out with Raven doo!

  15. Jandy says:

    I was freaking out on that goal, and my hubby looked at me like I was nuts. I was like..but did you SEE that???!!!

    I guess I’m not blasé lol

  16. Jandy says:

    Taylor Swift is annoying…

  17. Brandie says:

    I saw that play! He beat all 5 like they owed him money! That is pure talent! Let us not discount the teriffic play by Malkin and Fleury!

    Take care Loonies! Go out and Scire lots!

    Good morning Jandy, Eric B, 93.7, Ther Plan, and everyone!

    DK, Hope Root Canal 2, Electric Bogaloo went well!

  18. Jandy says:

    G’mornin SIstah! Yes, those plays were awesome
    Have a great day :)

  19. JAL says:

    Many things are annoying :)

  20. JAL says:

    Link 13–interesting to see one former pirate traded for another former Pirate

  21. Thundercrack says:

    It is interesting JAL.

    Remember just a few seasons ago when some Pirate fans wanted Lincoln traded for a lot more than Snider…or Kratz. He is value has slipped. I hate the Phillies, but I hope Lincoln turns his career around.

  22. Jandy says:

    LOL! at least she isn’t as bad as Justin Bieber ;)

  23. Wild Bill says:

    But if I was half my age I’d be seriously drooling. I know that doesn’t happen to you.

  24. Jandy says:

    Not over teeny boppers lol. Congrats on the winning entry yesterday, Wild One :)

  25. jefft says:

    I will say one thing about this crowd…you made me realize that I was descending into the land of believing that Tomlin’s move was intentional instead of just careless. Hadn’t quite gotten there, but was getting close.
    Anyway, I’ll have to try harder to win next week. Better yet, I’ll just come up with a de-comment-inator to eliminate all competition from the Tri-State Area!!!!

  26. Drew71 says:

    Good thing Dejan sports a closed mouth smile in his head shot.

    We can’t count the remaining teeth.

  27. Wild Bill says:

    Thanks, Jandy. Just tried to make my case argument in 100 words. DK sets ‘em up that they can be argued both ways and there was a pretty reasonable one in the other direction.

  28. Jandy says:

    LOL jeff. Good to see you coming back for more lunacy! Have you logged your hometown in with Bizrow to be counted as part of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum? I ask because I can’t remember, I have sometimers ;)

    This is a rough crowd at times, but we’re a lot of fun too :)

  29. Jandy says:

    yeah. Wonder what his better half thinks of that?

  30. Jandy says:

    ya done the Loonies proud :)

  31. Jandy says:

    Congrats t DJ and Rhode island Red as well as The Wild One (I congtatulated him ^^ there) on their winning entries.

  32. Wild Bill says:

    That goal by Sid was prime rib! Made it a lot easier to go to bed after taking basketball doo doo from Milo and the Hippo.

  33. Dcpinpgh says:

    Last year when Sanders was faking an injury and the NFL fined him and the Steelers. Was it ever reported if:
    A) Sanders faked the injury on his own accord
    B or 2) was told by a coach to do it? If so what coach and what does that say about the integrity of the coaching staff, or more to the point. The integrity of the head coach?

  34. Dom says:

    When is the NFL going to make the decision on Tomlin? Why are they prolonging this? I would have thought that they would have wanted to sweep this under the rug just as much as the Steelers do.

  35. Wild Bill says:

    They seem to be having some doubt about Tomlin’s explanation, and that is not a good thing for him.

  36. Botherhood of the Redus says:

    I just wanted to throw out there this morning that it looks like the Yankees organization has gone completely bye bye if the reported Ellsbury deal is in fact correct. They just love being behind big contracts, and at this point it almost feels as if players are aware of that and taking advantage of the poor Yankmees…hahaha

  37. Joni says:

    My favorite moment in last night’s game was after Malkin threw John Tavares on the ground (which rightfully resulted in a penalty). Malkin leaned down and said something to Tavares, who may or may not have understood what Malkin was talking about. Long story short, Tavares looked scared. Which he should be. Earlier in at same shift Malkin threw another Islander on the ice. Yay for gritty play!

  38. Jandy says:

    I wasn’t happy about the penalty, but I was happy to see Geno sticking up for himself. About time :)

  39. Thundercrack says:

    Maybe they’re trying to determine exactly what the punishment should be. There have been incidents that have been somewhat similar to this one but not quite the same. It is sort of unprecedented in a way.

    Unlike helmet-to-helmet hits, which happen every week.

  40. DJ says:

    Geno is prone to some mental lapses but that was one sequence I didn’t mind. He was getting hammered just prior to that.

    Also nice to see Tavares leaving town up ice before Sid swooped in to pick off the pass (I think from Vanek) and take it back the other way, splitting the d-men for the score. All in the blink of an eye.

    Tavares did not look happy leaving the ice.

  41. Arriba Wilver says:

    Tomlin looks likeable when he’s at a Pirates’ game.

  42. Jandy says:

    Ha ha DJ, agreed!

  43. DJ says:

    Agreed. Crazy money . . . and to another Boras client.

    Makes you wonder what Alvarez is going to decide to do once presented with the opportunity to sign here.

  44. Jim S. says:

    I liked Tomlin a lot for several years. I thought he was great at relating to veteran guys who were self-motivated, proud and goal-oriented. He knew how to push their buttons to get the best out of them. They were a confident, veteran team and the coach got the best out of them. He took them to 2 Super Bowls, winning 1.

    Now, the team is quite different. The guys that are still holdovers from Tomlin’s early years, with the notable exception of the QB, are slipping in performance and aging. I don’t think the team is doing a very good job of replenishing the talent or coaching up the talent it has. I don’t think this coach’s skills are particularly strong in building up a new group. At least, it does not appear that way to me from what I have seen the past 2 years. I lay the failure of the team’s transition from the previous group to a successful new group on the GM, the Head Coach and ownership.

    Tomlin did a really dumb thing on Thursday. He should have been paying more attention. Given the amount of room a coach has to roam the sidelines in the NFL, he should never approach the field. It is nothing like basketball coaches, btw, who are situated practically on the field and have a much more difficult time manipulating the distinction between the sidelines and the court.

    So, Tomlin should be punished for what he did. He should be fined significantly, and so should the organization. That should be the end of it. This was just a dumb mistake on his part and should play no part whatsoever in whether or not he retains his job. There is plenty to see on the field and with the make-up of the roster to decide the fate of both Colbert and Tomlin in my opinion.

  45. Jim S. says:

    I watched the Blackhawks and Stars from a suite in United Center last night. That was a fabulous game, with the Stars somehow winning although being out shot nearly 3-1.

    I, of course, kept close attention to the fate of the Pitt Panthers and my beloved Pens during that game. Following on my phone, I was able to see the replay of all the Pens goals. The game winner by Sid was just a case of the best player in the world taking matters into his own hands. Quite simply, no one else can make that play. He back-checked to steal the puck, quickly wheeled and beat not 1, not 2, but 3 Islanders then the goalie to win it – in OT no less! I’m certain the scream I let out when I watched that replay was a little startling to the Hawks fans in the suite. What can I say? I’m a Pittsburgh guy. As good as the Hawks are, they’ll never be my team. I did appreciate the free food and drink, though.

  46. Jim S. says:

    But, only if he stays all 9 innings!

    (That was a joke) :-)

  47. Jandy says:

    the free food and drink did it for ya, huh? ;)

  48. Jim S. says:

    I think they may ask Ellsbury to take the #3 spot in the rotation.

  49. Jim S. says:

    I ate the food and drank the Heineken while keeping tabs on the Pens and Panthers.

    I will say, though, in case you have never been to a Hawks game in United Center, if you ever get a chance – do it. No one here complains about the acoustics of the arena not being conducive to a loud atmosphere. No one complains that the atmosphere is too “corporate” to be as loud as the old days. I believe the old Chicago Stadium was louder, but the United Center is pretty raucous from start to finish.

    And the thing about that place which sets it apart, and this may sound a bit odd since it happens before the game, is the National Anthem. DK can attest to this. There is nothing in pro sports like the National Anthem at a Hawks game. It gets so loud toward the end of the anthem that you feel like the roof might blow off the place. It sends chills up your spine.

  50. Thundercrack says:

    Ken Rosenthal annoys me, but he has a very good article out today. Lots of good info & insight – – especially about Billy Beane and the A’s. (maybe the Pirates should take notice)

  51. Milo Hamilton says:

    Did you happen to bump into Pat & Edzo ?


  53. Jim S. says:

    I did not, Milo. I don’t run in those circles. But, if anyone rivals the great Mike Lange in the world of NHL announcers for me, it has to be Pat Foley. I think he’s terrific.

  54. Jandy says:

    + many

  55. Jim S. says:

    Last spring, I was invited to a Bulls-Heat playoff game in a different suite and Magic Johnson was a couple of suites over. He wasn’t working that night, but he was there for some reason. After the game, my son and I were leaving and Magic was leaving at the same time. It caught my son off guard when he saw Magic, and he said, “Hey, it’s you!” Magic said, “Yep, I’m always me.” I thought that was a great line, and he delivered it perfectly with his trademark smile. Then, he patted my son on the head as we all filed out.

    Magic is one large man. When he was coming out of the suite he had been in, he practically took up the entire doorway.

  56. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m in the same boat, I love Pat Foley. Joe Bowen from Toronto is another favorite.

  57. Jim S. says:

    I don’t know Joe Bowen, but there are some good ones in the NHL. I like Mike Emrick, too. Maybe that is because he is partial to the Pirates.

  58. Iceman says:

    I lost it too when he scored that goal. The backcheck was perfect, the move was unnatural, the shot could not have been placed any better. I was freaking out.

  59. Iceman says:

    One thing that hasn’t been mentioned most places is that before Malkin slammed Tavares to the ice, Tavares speared Malkin in his man parts. Malkin does take some stupid penalties, but I’m fairly certain I would’ve had the same reaction if I was in his shoes.

    On a side note, some of the worst reffing I’ve seen in a hockey game last night. Both teams were getting away with some ridiculous crap. It is fortunate that no one (Islanders or Pens) got seriously hurt in that mess.

  60. 21sthebest says:

    I just can’t imagine that any coach would think that they could get away with that and Tomlin never struck me as someone who would try a stunt like that. I think it’s perfectly reasonable that he totally lost track of where he was in relation to the play. Maybe he thought the play was going along the other sideline or in a different direction. I totally buy his comment that he was disoriented. And I don’t know how the play was moving on the Jumbotron which maybe also crossed him up. Also, would he really subject himself to maybe getting leveled by Jones? As far as the smile goes, that’s a perfectly normal and nervous reaction when someone is embarrassed.

    I’d fine him $75k.

  61. hockeymonster says:

    Chicago gets its. Corporate crowd doesn’t mind a party either…

  62. hockeymonster says:

    Darn it…it should say Chicago gets it.

  63. JohninOshkosh says:

    Hated bloated former Bucco, Eric Hinske, named first base coach for the Cubs.

    I’ve said this before. He is from this area (and a legendary high school player), and I know his sister. Every time I have seen him while he’s back home it has been while I was at the food court at the mall.

  64. DJ says:


    Insofar as rebuilding with a new group, I think Tomlin is capable but the talent is now considerably thinner. I put that on our drafting but don’t exonerate Tomlin because it’s my sense he has a huge hand in that as well. And so a good number of the younger players he might have otherwise “coached up” are no longer here.

    The two things that bother me about Tomlin — one nit-picking that has no bearing upon team performance and the other which has impacted the team in several instances — are these:

    1. The way he treats the local media.

    My perception is that’s changed from the day he first got the job. These are professionals who are just striving to do their jobs. Some do it much better than others. But there’s no need to be impolite or disrespectful. Are there some inane questions? Sure. Are some media members better prepared than others? Of course. But roll with it, even have some fun with it if that’s what is called for. But there is no need for making the questioner feel as if he or she has absolutely no reason to be there or that they are not worthy of a response. The media helps stimulate national and local interest in the NFL teams that ultimately pays your and others’ substantial salaries. Sometimes I think that correlation is forgotten.

    2. Game/clock management.

    No need to detail. And coincidentally the area where Tomlin gives his shortest shrift to the media, as if he’s infallible and beyond challenge.

  65. Jandy says:

    Haha Jandy typo disease ;)

  66. Jim S. says:

    They do get it for hockey here, Monster. That’s for sure. This is a great hockey town that was stifled for so long by the former owner, the late Bill Wirtz. He kept the Hawks off TV for home games right up until the end. So, enthusiasm for this team just exploded when their fortunes turned around about 5 years ago.

  67. Jandy says:

    I made the comment to the hubby that the refs were unusually BAD last night, He fell asleep LOL!

  68. Jim S. says:

    I think you are right about the smile being a normal defense mechanism. He was embarrassed is all. Who wouldn’t be? And, I don’t get the people who say he should have known where Jones was the whole time by looking at the Jumbotron. I think that totally mesmerizes you, and you lose track of anything else. You can see the point when Jones comes into the picture, and he jumps out of the way.

    I may not love Tomlin as the coach of a rebuilding team, but I think this was just a dumb mistake.

  69. hockeymonster says:

    Almost made that reference but didn’t wanna take mother theresas name in vein. :)

  70. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Rangers have signed Henrik Lundquist to a 7 year $60 million extension. The Rangers should be trading Henrik Lundquist. This is good news for the Penguins.

  71. 21sthebest says:

    Major brain cramp. I could see myself doing the same thing. My wife would attest to that. You know why Moses wandered the desert for 40 years. He didn’t have a map.

  72. hockeymonster says:

    Oh don’t get me started on ol’ man wirtz. Let’s just say Chicago is my 2nd city ;)

  73. Thundercrack says:

    I think the smile may be in response to something he heard in his headset.

  74. Jim S. says:

    I think your points are well taken, DJ.

    One thing I will say is that I believe all of these coaches have large egos. I think that is unavoidable when you rise to the level they have in a very competitive environment. So, as you become more and more successful, I believe there is a tendency to begin to treat reporters who are just doing their jobs with a bit of derision. Sort of like, “Who are these people to question me?”

    The key is, does the coach stay grounded as he becomes more successful? Does he learn to keep his ego in check? Does he continue to respect others? Some do it better than others. I think it is a tough thing to manage your ego, while meeting the rigors of your job as Head Coach in the NFL. Bill Cowher was often accused of the same thing, as I recall. He was not lacking in the ego department, and he seemed to have plenty of occasions where he lost patience with members of the media. Chuck Noll took some of that same criticism at times. Good reporters don’t let it cloud their judgment when doing their jobs.

  75. Jandy says:

    LOL Monster Mash, by all means, everyone else does ;)

  76. Jim S. says:

    +++. Then, you know exactly where I come from on this issue.

  77. CWalton_67 says:

    I’ve never been a fan of Tomlin, always found him verbose and hollow, but I listened to the press conference yesterday and believed his remarks to be genuine. I thinks he’s a great example of the Peter Principle. He’d probably be a great defensive coordinator, but he’s been in over his head as the head coach from the beginning.

    On another note, I listened to a few minutes of the “Ike Taylor show” on TribLive Radio yesterday and was appalled. The man is barely literate, and curses during the show. I can’t believe the Trib puts this guy in the air, or that anyone would listen for more than 30 seconds.

  78. 21sthebest says:

    You think it was, “You’re gone pal. But don’t worry. Rooney rule.”

  79. hockeymonster says:

    Indeed. Graduated from gremlin to monster status thanks to Chicago :)

  80. DJ says:

    Was never a Lakers fan but I always respected Magic Johnson. What he could do with the ball for his size was absolutely incredible and incredibly entertaining. The best passer I have ever seen.

    Have always loved his positive attitude and his treatment of people. Ran into him in our hotel in NYC in his early years. He was with Isiah Thomas at the time (pre-rift). Magic had an ear-to-ear smile and a “How are you?” expression on his face and Isiah had a surly “Don’t even think of bothering me” expression on his.

  81. Joni says:

    Word. No wonder players were engaging in foolish penalty inducing activities; the refs were letting the players get away with all kinds of dirty play for the majority of the game. Negligible job on the refs’ part.

    I did not know about Tavares’ spearing Malkin’s underworld (euphemism) last night. I agree that the reactionary play was necessary on Geno’s part.

    I cannot help but wonder what Geno said to Tavares after Mr. T. fell down and went boom. Was it Russian? Was it English? Or something in between? If only HBO (like they do on the “Road to the Winter Classic”) had Geno mic’d up so we could hear it!

  82. casper in a-town says:

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  83. Thundercrack says:

    I think it may be the same thing my pee-wee football coach said to me regarding when I didn’t exactly meet the running back head on to tackle him : Nice moves, I’ll add you to my dance card.

    (yes, I still remember those words. My football career – very forgettable)

  84. Joni says:

    My favorite mic’d up player moment on HBO’s Road to the Winter Classic came from Mike Rupp when he was playing for the Rangers.
    Mr. Rupp said to a rookie player, “You’re f&$@ing irrelevant out here!” Ouch…

  85. DJ says:

    Agreed, Jim. And as to those in the public eye’s treatment of others, see my comment to yours below on Magic Johnson.

  86. Jandy says:

    HAHA Geno prolly said “f^%#$$ do that again, and I’m f^%#$$ kill you!”

  87. Jandy says:


  88. Sarah says:

    Y’know I’d be even happier if our other so-called Gritty players stood up for Malkin. And Sid.

    Really, if someone even looks sideways at our 2 stars, they need to be pulped at the next opp.

    Think McTavish and Gretzky way back.

    When I see Sid getting punched in the mouth and nobody does anything, all kinds of bad thoughts come into my head.

  89. Jandy says:

    SOME stars just get it ;)

  90. Patrick(ri) says:

    Thanks, Jandy. It was fun (I really do think college BB ball has gone too far from the days when Wooden sat quietly watching his team destruct opponents to, say, the Indiana coach frantically running back and forth, directing EVERY move).

  91. Joni says:

    LOL times four!

  92. DJ says:

    Hey, I just saw that and thanks, Jandy.

    Candidly, I thought Joni had a very solid one on Zatkoff. Also thought Wild Bill was right on the money about Bill O’Brien, so great job by him.

  93. Nate83 says:

    Thanks for sharing Thunder. Good information. It’s interesting to note that Beane waited until after the second playoff failure to make the moves. I don’t remember them doing much last year. I assume they try and drop Andersons contract to make the Johnson deal work. They will probably have to take on some of Andersons contract unless they get hardly nothing in return.

    Next year with Wandy, Liriano, Martin and maybe AJ coming off the books the Pirates will be forced to make some moves via trade or free agency. I still think we see the Pirates payroll end up 80-90 million this year. I’m not sure how but it just seems like it has to happen. The A’s just did it through trade and I’m starting to think that is how NH accomplishes it.

  94. Tim says:

    Much ado about nothing. I’m with you, never believed it was intentional. Don’t know the man, but I’m a big fan of his. Especially his vocabulary. I do double-takes on some of the words. Not sure if they are actual words, but they sound great. Refreshing to hear intelligent people speak in sports. Directly, without the glib.

  95. Bizrow says:

    Very nice jesture on your part

  96. Jim S. says:

    I never met Isiah, and only had the brief encounter with Magic. But, your description sums up what has always been my impression of the two of them, DJ.

  97. 21sthebest says:

    I was really sad to see that Robert Morris University announced the elimination of 7 sports effective the end of the 2013-14 calendar year affecting 80 student-athletes although their scholarships will be honored. The women’s cross country team survived which I was glad to see as their best runner and the daughter of close friends of ours will be a senior next year. The men’s cross country team was axed though.

  98. Jim S. says:

    It would be nice if Taillon solidifies his position in the rotation for next year the way Cole did last year, Nate. I don’t know that I see it happening quite so perfectly, but that would be nice. Some say we may see Kingham this year as well. If one of those 2, or both in a perfect world, become fixtures in the 2015 rotation that would ease some of the expected departures.

  99. 21sthebest says:

    I like Magic but I’ll never forget him at the press conference 20 years ago when he said he attained the AIDS virus.

  100. hockeymonster says:

    No disrespect to Detroit but I’d be more jolly living in so ca too :)

  101. 21sthebest says:

    That’s why my football career consisted only of two hand touch on the streets of Squirrel Hill.

  102. Jim S. says:

    But, did he say it in English, Russian, or Runglish?

  103. hockeymonster says:

    Joni, that line killed me too.

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    Tomlin fined $100,000.

  105. Jim S. says:

    The “mean” streets of Squirrel Hill, no less.

  106. Milo Hamilton says:

    The league reportedly still is considering stripping the Steelers of a draft pick. And no X-Box for a month for you mister.

  107. casper in a-town says:

    Thanks, Biz! I just hope someone out there can use them.

  108. david s says:

    Wasn’t Tomlin’s immediate predecessor, one who’s hire did not involve the Rooney Rule, also involved in a sideline incident years ago

  109. DJ says:

    Geno did not look happy, Iceman, so that explains it for sure.

  110. Jim S. says:

    If this were 20 or so years ago, I have no doubt the Soup Nazi would also say, “No soup for you – 1 year.” Just saw that episode over the Thanksgiving break.

  111. Jandy says:

    That’s sad, 21. Sorry to hear it.

  112. Jandy says:

    What Biz said!

  113. Jandy says:


  114. DJ says:

    A draft pick would be absolute overkill.

    Any belief that Goodell might be assessing a draft pick because of his Dan Rooney connection, so there is no public impression of favoritism? Maybe Goodell wants to see how the fine is received before deciding if that’s enough. Let’s hope he has enough sense to leave it at the fine.

  115. Jandy says:

    Doc is simply cool :)

  116. Jandy says:

    prolly all three ;)

  117. Jandy says:

    david s, you tell us…have a link?

  118. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ve been having some fun with this because let’s face it, it is funny. But if I can be serious for a minute, the league should throw him off the competition committee for a period of time. It’s a very prestigious position & I think that would get everyone’s attention.

  119. Wild Bill says:

    This might not be a popular idea, but some people are just extraverted while others are introverted. Magic and Isaiah might be great examples of this. Fans are caviar for the former and a torment for the latter.

  120. Jandy says:

    That might get more attention than the money

  121. Jim S. says:

    That Dan Rooney card, if there is such a thing, is getting worn out from overuse by RG.

  122. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Well….There it is (almost a week later).
    A $100,000 AND STILL possible draft picks forfeited.
    Isn’t it nice (and good for publicity/discussion) that they would keep that hanging in the balance?
    A direct slap in the face to the paying fan.
    One of the lowest things that the league has done in awhile…..But then again, they are the pit of everything rotten.

  123. Jim S. says:

    Excellent suggestion.

  124. Milo Hamilton says:

    It would certainly get the attention of the coaches around the league. More than a draft pick would.

  125. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Absolutely agree with your sentiment on Tomlin DK.

    I have never gotten the impression that Tomlin had an integrity issue. To believe that he’s a liar, cheat, etc. etc. is as rididiculous as him being hired because of the Rooney Rule.

    My guess is, the ones that bring up that rule, truly don’t understand it.

  126. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    100K fine, a little high if you ask me, but fine. Get it over with.

    Can we PLEASE move on from this topic, seriously?

    Like the Tigers’ BP concerns.

  127. Dom says:

    I thought he was going to get $250K.

    If we do lose a draft pick, I’d assume it would be a 7th rounder. Usually the league awards us a few extra 7th roudners. Could they decide to award us one less b/c of this?

  128. DJ says:

    Is there a Game/Clock Management Committee he could get on instead?

  129. Milo Hamilton says:

    I think Phil Coke’s a stiff. :)

  130. Milo Hamilton says:

    The wife’s on him constantly about that stack of unused timeouts taking up all that space in the basement.

  131. Jandy says:

    Maybe he thinks he can trade the in for a free win!

  132. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    In other news, the Yankees continue to throw money down the drain.

  133. DJ says:

    Ha! How about the number of red flags he’s thrown where you’re thinking, after seeing the replay, “Please, Mike, do not even think of throwing the red flag here” and yet out it comes?

  134. Arriba Wilver says:

    Somebody brought it up yesterday, but it wasn’t something that was completed, it just seemed obvious that Cowher thought about it.

  135. Bizrow says:

    Speaking of that, when is the ARod decision due?

  136. Jandy says:

    Rossi’s Chipped Ice is excellent today, especially love his take on James Neal. He’s spot on about Fleury too:

  137. Dom says:

    Maybe their agenda is to raise the market for free agents so high that it gets to the point where only they can afford them

    That or they might just be stupid.

    One of the two.

  138. Iceman says:

    He will be 39 at the end of this contract making almost as much as Sidney Crosby. This does not make sense to me.

  139. Iceman says:

    This is a great suggestion. Intentional or not (it was stupid whether it was or not so I don’t really care one way or the other), it makes sense that someone committing this type of infraction should be removed from the competition committee.

  140. Jandy says:

    I can see wanting to keep him, but not at that price.

  141. Dom says:

    The arbitration hearings are going to be next month.

  142. Arriba Wilver says:

    No need to wait for the decision. ARod said they got nothin’ on him.


  143. casper in a-town says:

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  144. I’d certainly hope that Coach Tomlin didn’t cheat intentionally since there are those who think he should be fired if that were proven to be so, and, naturally, only Coach knows for certain.

  145. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Stupidity is a definite factor in this signing.

    I bagged the Giants last year for signing Angel Pagan to $10+ a year, that looks like a great deal now compared to that one that Ellsbury just got. Except for the Pagan was only played about half the season. Similiar players, IMHO.

  146. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    It’s clear to me they have a draft pick or picks in mind, and I think it will be high.
    Never under-estimate the wrath of Roger Goodell’s empire.

  147. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t think it’s stupid. They apparently have the money to spend and they did what they had to do in order to get the player they wanted.

  148. theplanisworking says:

    As Milo, and others commented above, Tomlin fined 100K. Sounds about right. No suspension. Sound about right. But there is still the possibility of either losing a draft choice, or having it “reassigned”, which could mean swapped with another team? or round?

    I wonder if the NFL “got their panties in a bunch” when deciding about the draft pick? After all, that’s what was insinuated here yesterday………..

    With this decision, Goodell has almost ensured that it will be talked about for a long time. Dont know the criteria that will go into the final decision, but this issue will be talked about a lot more, being it could affect the draft.

  149. Steelag70 says:

    Word is that if a draft pick is stripped, it may be awarded to the Ravens…wow…

  150. theplanisworking says:

    This is a great picture from last night’s Pens game……….

  151. Arriba Wilver says:

    The only thing more ridiculous than losing a draft pick is suggesting he should be fired over this incident. (Not saying you are, but the people you referred to.)

    The 2 knee jerk responses to something people don’t like are “fire ‘em” or ” put ‘em in jail.” I guess Tomlin should be relieved no one’s suggesting the latter.

  152. Arriba Wilver says:


  153. Jandy says:

    Oh crap

  154. Jandy says:

    Holy Toledo, that’s a GREAT picture, Hipposter…thanks!!!!!

  155. theplanisworking says:

    You said it.
    Wont about this for awhile, I’m afraid………

  156. theplanisworking says:

    I thought of you, and some others when I saw this.
    Last night, I thought Geno was going to try to cross-check Tavares’ head into the ice when he was standing over him.

  157. Arriba Wilver says:

    It was no insinuation, Plan. Said it flat out.

  158. Well, Coach has just been fined $100 thousand and a Steelers’ draft pick might be affected although we won’t know that until next spring. And that’s that for now.

  159. Steelag70 says:

    The draft pick going to the Ravens would be based on the fact the incident happened during the game.

  160. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’m now going to assume they are taking the Steelers #1 pick (and probably giving it to Baltimore).
    It will make for great publicity and debate AFTER the season is over…..And before the draft starts.
    We’re the lab rats…..And we pay money.

  161. DJ says:

    Insanity if that’s the case. Do we get two picks from the Ravens for the two head shots to Le’Veon Bell?

    I know that the NFL is a machine but it’s these kinds of things that make me less interested in their product with each passing year.

  162. Steelag70 says:

    Or MT could have offered to step down from that spot during his mea culpa yesterday…

  163. DJ says:

    . . . the NFL execs up in NYC have too much time on their hands.

  164. Jandy says:

    Tavares certainly asked for it!!

  165. DJ says:

    Can we give the Ravens Mike Adams in lieu of the pick?

  166. DJ says:

    Tavares: “Please, Geno, spare me!”

  167. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Here’s a legitmate question I have for you on the subject plan.

    Draft pick asside, do you think what Tomlin did was in comparison to what Jason Kidd did of the Nets?

    In case you don’t follow basketball (I dont really, found this funny though) Kidd had one of his players bump in to him to dump is drink on the court. When that happens, it’s an automatic stopage of play, saving the team a timeout. He was fined $50k for that.

    Tomlin, IMHO, accidently steps on the field and possibly makes the returner slow down or get tackled easier, whatever anyone wants to call it.

    To me, what Jason Kidd did, though funny,(apparently has been going on in basketball for years) caused more of an issue that Tomlin losing track of where he steps.

    BTW, footbal coaches at EVERY level, go passed the dreaded “white line.” Even when players do it, it’s usually a warning before it becomes a penalty.

    Overall, I think the fine was a little ridiculous.

  168. theplanisworking says:

    Still dont know who you were directing it towards………. the NFL, the people reporting it, or posters here.

  169. 21sthebest says:

    So do we. :-)

  170. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, remember when they said they couldn’t afford to do that this year.

    I believe I read yesterday that 45% of all free agent money spent this off-season was done by the Yankees. And, they have even’t gotten to Jay Z’s client yet.

  171. theplanisworking says:

    Geno had that “I’m score” look in his eyes……. ;)

  172. Jim S. says:

    I noticed the Yankees have carefully avoided the minefield of free agent pitchers while rebuilding their team. I know they lost Hughes.

  173. Jandy says:

    he had SOMETHING look in his eyes lol

  174. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    How about last years 4th rounder?

  175. Dom says:

    I agree with that viewpoint but these long term deals are what get them in trouble. If I was a Yankee fan, I wouldn’t have any problem with the deal if it was for four or maybe five years.

  176. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    2 head shots?

    You mean the one that missed as well?

    Or, can we take it from the Ravens for the hit, since it was their field/surface that actually gave him the concussion?

  177. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, don’t you remember when they stripped the Pats of their draft pick for cheating, getting caught, getting warned to stop, continuing to cheat, getting caught again … they awarded that pick to other team(s). Oh wait …

  178. Jandy says:


  179. theplanisworking says:

    Do you remember that the Pats had 2 1st round draft picks that year, #7 and 29 I think. GODell allowed the Pats to keep the #7 pick, and they were stripped of the #29 pick. THAT was fair…………….

  180. 21sthebest says:

    Sure it’s a big risk. But I don’t blame any team for going for it.

  181. theplanisworking says:

    In regards to JAL’s link #2 above, who does everybody want to see the Pirates go after for 1B………… Lind, Moreland, or Loney?

    In related news, Justin Morneau got 2 yrs/$13 million last night from Colorado.

  182. Arriba Wilver says:


  183. Milo Hamilton says:

    I am a Yankee fan & I’m fine with it. There is no salary cap.

  184. theplanisworking says:

    Or, we could always talk about the Tigers bullpen again. ;)

  185. Steelag70 says:

    While the Buccos sit idly by and let other teams improve……..I don’t like any of those three choices. I think they may need to upgrade through a trade.

  186. Steelag70 says:

    IMO it may have been assessed due to these points:

    MT is a member of the Competition Committee….

    The league had just sent a memo out to teams regarding this issue just before last week’s games…

    It happend during a national telecast…

  187. theplanisworking says:

    Proves clearly Bell was outside the tackles, and a penalty should have been against Baltimore.

    Or maybe a draft choice………….

  188. Steelag70 says:

    Good for Morneau…get it while you can.

  189. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I posted yesterday the answer to why it wasn’t a penalty. NFL rules, don’t shoot the messenger.

  190. DJ says:

    Agreed. The next time a new Commissioner is selected we might want to stay on the sidelines (pun intended).

  191. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    #7 pick received from trade. 29 pick was the one they “earned” for their season.

  192. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    At least the thin air might help out his WTP.

    Good call on his part.

  193. Thundercrack says:

    What Tomlin did could very well have effected the outcome of the game…and playoffs.

    Not sure if Kidd’s action could have done the same.

  194. Thundercrack says:

    Thanks for the facts Nor Cal

  195. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Agree. There isn’tmuch out there on the FA market that would help. I don’t think anyways….

    Trade is best option.

  196. 21sthebest says:

    6 years ago we took a punter in the 4th round and I still can’t believe it.

  197. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think the fact it was a Thanksgiving night telecast definitely is affecting what they’re doing.

    Although they may cast it as trying to protect coaches from getting run over by players. ;-)

  198. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Facts are overrated.

  199. Thundercrack says:

    ‘affected the outcome’

  200. Jim S. says:

    I think we need a lefty to pair with Gaby, plan. A lot of people here might not agree, but I’d take Loney. I know his #’s are not eye popping. But, he’s a better fielder than we have had at that position in a long time, and I believe a platoon of him and Gaby could do a nice job there. Here’s what Loney hit vs RHP last year, and what Gaby hit vs LHP:

    Loney: .299/.352/.446/.798
    Gaby: .333/.448/.539/.987

    If you like some of the missing conventional stats, as a strict platoon they would have combined for 497 AB, 37 doubles, 0 triples, 14 HR, 68 RBI, 55 BB. As you can see, they would have hit well over .300 with on OBP approaching .400.

    And, last year was not far off their career #’s. They both struggled in 2012, but the years before that were fairly close to their 2013 production.

    This combo will hit and field well. I’m having a hard time finding how it would not be good for the Bucs to sign Loney.

  201. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Ha. Good point.

  202. Thundercrack says:

    I wonder which first basemen are available via trade.

    That may be why the Buccos are idling regarding that position.

  203. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Sure it could have. Kidd got an extra time out without having to use one. Tomlin made the runner side step.

    I personally think it’s a good comparison.

  204. Jim S. says:

    Interpretation of NFL rules, though, Nor Cal. That’s what I got from the article yesterday.

  205. Arriba Wilver says:

    I didn’t say a word.

  206. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    100% agree..

  207. Jim S. says:

    A punter with bad knees, which only got worse, at that.

  208. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    That was the explanation. I can’t pull up the video, I’ll try another way. But I’m over the “head shot” on a running back thing. Until they penalize RB’s for lowering their head into defenders, then I’ll buy it.

  209. Jim S. says:

    If one is accidental and the other intentional, they should not be treated equally. MT’s intent is the key thing here. How can they know that, short of him admitting it? I guess they could just go by what the “Great Ray Lewis” said.

  210. Arriba Wilver says:

    Interesting comparison, but, dang, that is a low HR total from a “power” position.

  211. Arriba Wilver says:

    Ribbies, too.

  212. Cobra39 says:

    I can’t really think of any NFL head coach who prefers local media to national media. In fact, I think most tolerate local media, at best, while others have outright disdain for the locals.

    Tomlin’s a guy who clearly will have a future in some NFL studio show or booth when he retires. I foresee his Tomlinisms (which I’m finding increasingly irritating) being spouted for many years to come after he’s no longer an NFL head coach.

  213. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    No clue of course. Who thought Prince Fielder was available?

    IMO, everyone is available for the right price.

    I’d like Trumbo, but he’d probably cost Gerrit Cole + 1.

    Not a fan of that

  214. Thundercrack says:

    It is worth comparing. But what was the score of the basketball game. Would the NBA determine that the extra time out really made as big difference.
    I don’t like what Kidd did and he should be fined. (Not as much as Tomlin).

    If the Ravens don’t score there and end up losing the game and missing the playoffs, that is really bad. It would be even worse if the Ravens missed the playoffs and the Steelers got in because of that victory.

  215. Jim S. says:

    Exactly. It is their money. They are abiding by the rules. Now, whether it will all get them to the playoffs is another issue.

  216. theplanisworking says:

    Jim, you make a good point, but I just dont know about any of those 3 choices I asked about.

    I really dont know what is even available by trade, as teams arent willing to trade good 1B, except Fielder, which was a $$$$ consideration.

    Stinks the Oirates have holes that there isnt a good market for…….. 1B, SS, and if they dont setttle the AJ thing, P.

  217. 21sthebest says:

    But don’t get your panties in a bunch over them.

  218. theplanisworking says:

    I found you saying that a bit odd yesterday, as I didnt think anyone had their panties in a bunch, but I have been wrong before. And will be again, I am sure.

    Hi Frank! ;)

  219. theplanisworking says:

    I found you saying that a bit odd yesterday, as I didnt think anyone had their panties in a bunch, but I have been wrong before. And will be again, I am sure.

    Hi Frank! ;)

  220. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    We’ve talked about Loney before Jim. If I remember right (not always the case) Loney batted exactly .299 against both LHP and RHP.

    Who needs a platoon with that BA?

    Dump Gaby too, save another mill or 2

  221. theplanisworking says:

    Should be “Pirates”.
    Curse you, Jandy!!! ;)

  222. Jim S. says:

    Good point, Nor Cal. But, he’s basically a singles hitter vs LHP, and he has some pop vs RHP.

  223. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I’m OK with Jordy at SS on an everyday basis going into the season. Would like a steady back up though.

    If he struggles over the long term, make a deal at the deadline.

    I’d rather have a power bat in either RF or 1B. My preference would be 1B.

  224. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Oh I know…..When’s he gonna see LHP, once a week on average?

  225. Jim S. says:

    I think it just comes down to accepting a platoon again. I think 1b is tailor-made for platoons, as it isn’t a middle infielder where DP is affected. It isn’t catcher or CF – other important defensive positions.

  226. theplanisworking says:

    What type of “pop”?
    I prefer ginger ale……………

    But I am not excitd about Loney, but he was/is an improvement over Jones/Morneau/mystery player.

  227. Jim S. says:

    But, look at what Gaby does to LHP? He destroys them. Why would we not want to take advantage of that for the 25-30% of ABs for the year?

  228. Jim S. says:

    All I am saying is if you just look at those stats as if they came from one guy, I think it works great.

    And, as I mentioned above, 1b is a perfect position for platoons.

  229. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Not this guy, it’s Wednesday.

    Wednesday’s are not only hump day, but also “No panties” Wednesdays.

    Nothing to be in a bunch….

  230. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    But he could kick it really, really far when healthy.

  231. Jim S. says:

    True. You get defense and OBP. Power slips a little. As far as hitting goes, it becomes a reverse Pedro. Loney puts the ball in play, and we could use that.

  232. Arriba Wilver says:

    You’ll fit right in in South Carolina.

  233. 21sthebest says:

    Nets were down 2 with 8.3 seconds left and no timeouts. As they were cleaning up the spill, a Nets assistant called the team over and he was drawing up a final play.

  234. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:


    26 days until I am eastbound and down………..

    RIP Jerry Reed.

  235. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I know. Would love to see him come around and hit RHP as well.

    I am a Gaby fan.

  236. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Totally agree.

  237. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I know it, I’ve lived there for 6 years before coming out here.

    26 days……

  238. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Kidd got fined $50k. It was toward the end of the 4th quarter. No idea of score, but I’m sure it was close.

  239. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    annnnnnnnnd, there’s the details.

    thanks 21 for the rebound.

  240. Jandy says:

    Boxers, 21, boxers

  241. Jandy says:

    You guys can make bunches outta nuttin’ at all…


  242. 21sthebest says:

    I’d take Loney in a heartbeat because I don’t see a power bat with a good OBP on the horizon.

  243. Thundercrack says:

    I think Gaby doesn’t get enough credit for his defense.

    I like him as a platoon player.

    I thought I was the only one that appreciated him…and was going to elect myself the President of his fan club

  244. Jandy says:

    I *REALLY* like Gaby. Hubby calls him ‘dirty Sanchez” lol. I wanna join the fan club :)

  245. pattonbb says:

    Thank you.

  246. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    The dirty Sanchez fan club?

    I dont know anybody with that last name that doesn’t have that nickname.

  247. pattonbb says:

    where did you read that?

  248. Jandy says:

    Ryan, I never heard Tony Sanchez called that..

  249. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think he’s a good defensive player. I just thought from my layman’s eye Morneau was better. Jones, of course, was never in the discussion.

  250. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I guarantee he has been called that…..

  251. Jandy says:

    Well, Ryan, you’re NO fun at all :P

  252. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I know. that’s usually my nickname.

  253. Dom says:

    Im guess that since the NFL will determine whether or not to strip the Steelers of a draft pick till after the season, then we probably will lose a late round pick.

  254. Arriba Wilver says:

    Did they say they were waiting? (My panties are starting to itch).

  255. theplanisworking says:

    Was a great night for me last night, sports-wise.

    Pens won, with that Mario-like goal in OT. Wonder if Sid’s statue will be of that play? Geno (finally) sticking up for himself, with that picture I posted above a great moment for him. And Fleury overcame a horrible start to shut the Isles out for the final 2 and 1/2 periods.

    Pitt won a hard-fought game, but was its own worst enemy for much of the game. For the second consecutive game, the Panthers had a horrible shooting night, and committed too many turnovers, but Talib Zanna was a beast in the second half. You dont see too many centers steal and strip a guard of a ball, run the floor and get the basket.

    And Penn State lost.
    (Apologies to Brandie, and Wild Bill). ;)

  256. theplanisworking says:

    They sell powder for that, AW……………. ;)

  257. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Is PSU any good at basketball?

    Have they ever been?

  258. Jandy says:

    or you can take them off ;)

  259. tpbco says:

    I ‘ve read that Tomlin said that godell and anderson told him that they reviewed other tapes which showed MT in the same position on other kickoffs/returns. If so, why no prior warning, at least, or no prior punishment? Was it because it almost affected the return? If so, okay, then the fine probably fits the “crime” (ESPN reported that it was, based on Mt’s salary, equivalent to about $1000 to normal people)…but it should end there.

    I’m not sure what the NFL’s agenda is at this point, but I sure won’t listen to anymore BS about how the league favors the Steelers anymore.

  260. Jandy says:

    No, Ryan, YOUR nickname is peckerhead :P

  261. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m not living in California.

  262. Jandy says:

    that hasn’t got anything to do with it…

  263. Jim S. says:

    Better defensively?

  264. Jim S. says:

    Mr. Pibb.

  265. Thundercrack says:

    Yahoo reports that Loney is looking for something in the range of $27-30MM over three years

    I would be inclined to give it to him.
    1) There is not other first baseman in the minor ready anytime soon
    2) You can always trade him later

  266. theplanisworking says:

    Just dont go pantyless in a Pennsylvania winter…. ;)

  267. Jim S. says:

    I think Jordy is how they are planning to go. I still find it odd, though, that CH switched to Barmes for the playoffs if they were not going to re-sign him. Of course, he has not been scooped up yet. So, we could see CB back again.

  268. Milo Hamilton says:

    Shouldn’t be long for James Loney. Looks like the agent is in “one more year, one more dollar mode”.

  269. Arriba Wilver says:

    Morneau? Yes. At least equal.

  270. Arriba Wilver says:

    I know—zippers.

  271. Jim S. says:


    Some fans just don’t like platoons. I get that at key defensive positions, where continuity is important (for turning a DP, calling pitches, etc.). But, 1b is ripe for platoons. If both guys can field, and it looks like we’ll have a .300+ hitter with good gap power and good OBP, I think this lineup can live w/o the extra HR Jones hit vs. Loney last year. I think Loney is better in every other way than GIJ besides HR. Jones gives you the added benefit of RF, but I think we can handle that with Tabata/Lambo/new guy from SD.

  272. tpbco says:

    Sid probably hasn’t made the play that will ultimately be his statue…he’s only 26 and getting better every year.

    Geno, agree, but don’t want him doing anything stupid with the streak he’s on.

    MAF, second goal was soft, but he was screened a little bit. First goal – on #58, again, sigh.

    Good to see Pitt face a little adversity and overcome it, even better because of who they were playing.

    Aaron Donald voted ACC Defensive POY, cudos to him.

  273. Jandy says:

    The first goal was on #14…Kunitz turned the puck over. let’s stop piling on Letang when it’s not always him.
    That is all :)

  274. Jim S. says:

    The other thing is, when you add up the ABs + the BBs, that still only gets you to 550 plate appearances. We still have another 100 or more to dish out if it is strictly those 2 guys next year. There would be 2-3 more HR at the same production rate, and another dozen RBI.

  275. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t think Jones is the bar. He’s gone.

  276. Joni says:

    I forgot to mention that I love your new avatar, Jandy!!!

  277. theplanisworking says:

    Nice honor for Donald.
    Chryst is going to have trouble replacing him next year.

    Geno to Taveras last night………………… I’M SCORE !!!

  278. theplanisworking says:

    Jandy, your Tanger love-drool is gettin outta hand. ;)

  279. tpbco says:

    Not to pick nits, but while Kunitz turned the puck over, Tanger was out of postion (too far up ice ahead of the puck) and then ran MAF trying to recover.

    I really do want this guy to reach his potential…. I still say a valium before every period.

  280. Jim S. says:

    And, it’s often a short walk from there to “Yes, we’ll take one less year and a little less $$ per year.”

    That was Russell Martin last year.

  281. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Hey Hey, that rule came from when I lived in Oklahoma AW.

    I don’t recommend that state either…….for anything.

    Maybe basketball and country music singers.

  282. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Any teams listed?

  283. Jandy says:

    I do too, tpb, but man, what a bad turnover by Kunitz, all could have been avoided.

    Hipposter, I’ve been blasting Tanger with the best of them lately lol

  284. Thundercrack says:

    I think the catching market was totally different last year. And the Bucs were on top of it early.

    Many ‘experts’ that it was a bad deal for the Bucs

  285. casper in a-town says:

    Thanks for responses. Kindly note that the tickets have been given away!

  286. Thundercrack says:

    I read the recap on MLBTraderumors. They listed the Pirates and Rays

  287. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I just saw Rays and Pirates…….I would approve this signing as well for TC’s reason #1.

    Not that they need my approval.

  288. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    And this…… why I need to refresh more and blow off work.

  289. theplanisworking says:

    One of the classiest things in sports in this article.
    Something similar is done in Hershey at Bears games. (last year I think 14,000 at Hershey).

  290. theplanisworking says:

    When you put your napkins down??? ;)

  291. Bizrow says:

    I’d rather have Morneau for what he signed for

  292. Jim S. says:

    So, this $100,000 fine for Tomlin has only ever been eclipsed by the $500,000 fine to Belichick for spying? If memory serves, the esteemed Robert Kraft quickly stuck his thumb in Roger Goodell’s eye by completing a huge contract extension for his coach that essentially wiped out all memory of his fine. Or, am I mis-remembering?

  293. Jim S. says:

    Yes, the “experts.” But, I recall Martin wanting 4, then 3, then he took 2 years for $17M. I don’t know if that will happen for Loney, but I doubt either the Pirates or Rays will offer him 3 years.

  294. Wild Bill says:

    Yes – women’s hoops.

  295. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Ha! Good call.

  296. Jim S. says:

    I think if it really is the Rays and Bucs, I don’t think we need to go 3 years. We just need to offer a little more per year. Loney doesn’t have crazy money yet. A couple million $$ extra still means a lot to him.

    I can’t believe I typed that last sentence. But, it is true nonetheless. These guys live in a world where a couple million $$ does not mean much to a whole lot of them.

    It would be nice if we could snag him for something near 2/$15M.

  297. Stuart says:

    Very entertaining discussions today!

    I was a prisoner of a Bartolo-scope today & enjoyed it greatly. (The discussion, not the Bartolo)!

    Nice to see hot-stove heating up!


  298. Jim S. says:

    Donald (if he were Russian): “I am beast.”

    Wouldn’t he look nice in a Steelers uniform?

  299. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I would like 2/15.

    3 years? Maybe, there’s nobody in the wings.

  300. Jim S. says:

    Suzie M-S.

  301. Thundercrack says:


    Were you around yesterday? The hot stove was engulfed in flames regarding the Detroit Tigers.


  302. Jim S. says:

    I think they are both very good defensively. I might say Loney is better, but I think it is splitting hairs. I don’t think we would have any issues defensively with the performance of Loney.

  303. Thundercrack says:

    I don’t recall Martin wanting 4 years.

    I recall his first choice was the Yankees. When they didn’t move quick enough (and may have told him they wouldn’t offer him the money he was looking for) Martin took the best deal there – from the Bucs.

    But when he signed with the Pirates he said he would use this two year contract to build his worth back up and then become a free agent again. His plan is working so far.

  304. Thundercrack says:

    Loney feels since he is younger than Moneau that he is worth more than the 2yrs/$13 mil that he got.

  305. Jim S. says:

    You’re right that Jones is not the bar. But, at this point, there is not a lot available unless we swing a trade. I’m just going by available F/A. I think Loney is the pick of the litter right now.

  306. Wild Bill says:

    Looks like Ryan Clark could not resist taking a verbal dump on Goodell right at a time when keeping quiet would have been useful.

  307. DJ says:

    Funny you mention that because I was thinking the same thing at the Pitt – UMiami game last Friday and mentioned it to my sons. I’d take him right now over Steve McLendon.

    I don’t think the Steelers would pick him in the first round however, and doubt he would be there for our pick in the second.

  308. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah, been pining for those 3 RBI’s have you ?

  309. Stuart says:

    TC No, I was prepping for my Bartolo. If it was about the Tigers pen, I’m glad I missed it.


  310. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I would probably agree with him.

  311. tpbco says:

    I dunno…most ratings I’ve seen place him in 2nd – 3rd round, just due to his (lack of) size – heart not included. Unfortunately he appears to best fit a 4-3 DT.

  312. Nate83 says:

    Jim I agree this would be an ideal pairing. It would be an improvement over last year. Lind has been rumored as a target as well but he would cost prospects. He would give us more power and be affordable over the next 3 years.

  313. tpbco says:

    He is listed at 6′ and 275 lbs, don’t know how up to date that is….

    Levon Kirkland, anyone?

  314. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Other than the weight, which those guys can easily gain, he sounds like a NT in the 3-4.

    I’ll be honest, I have not seen him play. I don’t follow Pitt.

  315. DJ says:

    I’d put him at nose and not worry about the position for the next 10 years. Casey Hampton was listed at 6’1″ but I doubt he was taller than 6′.

    Donald has incredible strength, especially in his lower half. There were plays where he was triple-teamed in the Miami game . . . and he wasn’t going backwards.

  316. theplanisworking says:

    DJ, Hampton had 100 pounds on Donald.
    Just sayin.

  317. Wild Bill says:

    Watched DK’s podcast; I’m not nearly as sure as Chris Adamski that Allen Robinson will declare for the draft. He was quoted as saying that he has things to work on, like his speed. He’s projecting as bottom of the first round now, but with another season of catching Hack’s passes and developing further, he could go really high in a year.

    Feeling like State is still too hamstrung by the NCAA to do well could push him the other way, however.

  318. tpbco says:

    Big Snack weighed anywhere from 320 – 350 lbs (depending on whether it was before or after lunch) and had the frame to support it. Not too sure Donald could get close to that without giving his quickness up.

  319. DJ says:

    What’s the point, Plan? That if Donald put on another 50-75 lbs they would need to quadruple team him? Hampton wasn’t the same weight coming out of Texas as when he retired.

    I realize it’s College v. NFL and much of this is projection. However, Miami’s entire offensive line looked to be 6’5″ and 325 lbs right down the line . . . minimum. And yet I did not see the kid driven backwards the entire day.

    Isn’t that what you’re looking for in a NT?

  320. Jim S. says:

    His camp was tossing out 4/$36 – $38M figures less than a week before he signed with the Bucs, I believe. Then, again, Jay Z and Cano were talking 10/$310M. Guys rarely get what they initially ask for.

  321. theplanisworking says:

    The point is, it is easier said than done when talking about putting on weight. Yes Donald can put on weight, but will it slow him to a crawl? Will it harm his knees?

    Hampton was at least 320 coming out of college…… he didnt have to put on so much weight.

    Donald would be miscast as a NT, in my opinion.

  322. Jim S. says:

    I would say younger and better. Loney just had one of his best seasons. Morneau is on the slide.

    Loney probably won’t hit as well in PNC as he did at the orange juice stand, or whatever they call it these days. But, I don’t think the Tigers are going to trade us Miggy and cover 90% of his salary. :-)

  323. Jim S. says:

    Bell. He’ monstrous, and might have to be shifted to 1b at some point.

  324. Jim S. says:

    So, you’re saying maybe we’ll be able to get him with our 1st pick. :-)

  325. Jim S. says:

    Don’t forget to extrapolate.

  326. 21sthebest says:

    That’s what she said.

  327. theplanisworking says:

    Any truth to the rumor Morneau is a candidate for HR Derby?

  328. Jim S. says:

    Nicely played, my friend!

  329. Jim S. says:

    Yes, I read that as well Nate. Lind definitely has more power. Same with our friend in TX (Moreland) who is suddenly expendable.

  330. Milo Hamilton says:

    As far as the inane possibility of adjusting the draft order as part of the Tomlin punishment. Points are NOT a tiebreaker for draft order. I’ve heard this all over the place today from people that should know better.

  331. DJ says:

    Again, projection. I think Donald would do just fine playing at 300-310 or thereabouts.

    Snack put on at least 65-75 lbs after Texas, had at least two knee operations I believe (maybe one more in college) and he worked out okay.

    I’m not pushing Donald as a first-rounder just yet since I would like to see how he fares at the combine. However, if someone told me today we could get him in the second round, I’d sign on for that right now.

  332. Milo Hamilton says:

    I believe I will. That would be 18 RBI’s for the season for your cleanup hitter, batting directly behind the league MVP.

  333. theplanisworking says:

    Isnt it opponents winning %?

    And how would they “adjust” it? Place the Steelers at the end of each round? Only one round?

    I am so confused………….

  334. Arriba Wilver says:

    Ah, I had no problem with what he said. But I like Ryan more than most do, I think.

  335. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought the Pirates tried to get him for 3 (maybe an option) and he turned them down.

  336. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yes, it is strength of schedule to break those ties.

    I heard this from Mort, who should know better. He says the Ravens should have had a TD giving them 4 more points. #1 – it wasn’t going to be a TD. #2 – The Steelers would have kicked an extra point instead of going for 2.

    Now, the thinking (I use that term loosely) is that if the two teams end up tied & it goes all the way down the line to points, the Ravens should be compensated. This too is completely screwed up because …


    And, if neither make the playoffs, points are not a tiebreaker in draft order.

  337. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Thanks for the headache Milo.

    Sounds like the BCS

  338. Milo Hamilton says:

    You’re welcome Ryan. I gave myself one just writing it.

  339. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    You had to have cut and pasted all that info.

  340. DJ says:

    Less than a day after Tomlin’s “crow/raven hop” happened several posters here wanted to put the whole saga to bed. Most others here knew that could/would never happen in spite of the sentiment.

    Well, it’s now officially that time.

    Really, can’t the NFL execs occupy their days with something more productive . . . like overseeing the design of a better, safer helmet?

  341. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I’m sure they’re not spending all their time on this issue……

    but you never know.

  342. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Just read this headline on MLBTRs

    D-Backs Looking To Trade Market For Ace, Power Bats

    My response: Join the club. Good thing they traded a power bat in Justin Upton.

  343. Bizrow says:

    Lets see what we get ;-)

  344. Stuart says:

    Actually DJ, not sure if it is even possible to design a safe helmet. The problem is that when a human is going fast and suddenly stops, the brain inside the skull continues it’s forward momentum. No helmet can stop that.

    I’m afraid that nothing short of two-hand tag would solve the problem. But not to worry, boxing, for instance, is still going on and having a major resurgence in fact. Not many pro-football fans would admit it, but at least part of the motivation in watching a game is like that of some of the race car fans who (I’m told) are subconsciously wishing for an accident.

    The best pro-football “hit” I ever saw was one delivered by Andy Russell Steelers LB, on the Kansas City Fullback. Andy hit him in the midsection with his shoulder. It stopped the runner cold, and it was a game-changer at the time. I remember the roar of the crowd after that hit. It happened at a time when the Stillers were emerging from doormat status.


  345. Stuart says:

    Now DK, Sarcasm ill-becomes you!

    Many of us, though fans of other sports, had our appetites whetted by last year’s Bucs, and are hungry for more. I will admit that an in-depth discussion of the Tiger’s pen can be much ado about nothing.

    To paraphrase: The world will little note what has been said about the Tiger’s bull-pen, but what they DO this year will be long remembered.

    America’s game, baseball. Interesting that no one has yet come down on either side of the question as to whether Jacoby is worth 22 million dollars a year.

    Always a fan,


  346. hockeymonster says:

    So the circus came to town?

  347. theplanisworking says:

    Happy 40th Birthday to Tyra Banks today.
    That is all.

  348. Bizrow says:

    That headline, well, what club is not looking for that?

  349. Thundercrack says:

    Ha! I thought the same thing Nor Cal.

  350. Thundercrack says:

    I would say that yesterday’s discussion could also be classified as a ‘hot stove’ discussion as opposed to a ‘tiger bullpen’ discussion. We were talking about money in baseball and the Fister trade. Hot stove components.

    People may have been scared off from discussing Elsbury’s deal because of the sarcasm and bold type yesterday and today.

  351. Bizrow says:

    Can we claim that Tomlin has already given a draft choice away already? (I would have used the word forfeit, but not sure of the spelling)

    That punter, Daniel S, a 3rd rounder???

  352. Bizrow says:

    Jim Bowden, on an ESPN Insider post sez that NH is gonna make a splash in Orlando.

    Jim Bowden predicted it, sigh…..

  353. 21sthebest says:

    Stop assuming they had to salary dump Fister already.

  354. JohninOshkosh says:

    I give ESPN some credit: Doris Burke is a solid analyst.

  355. Thundercrack says:

    If the Steelers have to forfeit a draft pick, that is one less pick they can screw up, right?

    And does that go towards Tomlin’s or Colbert’s percentage?

  356. Thundercrack says:


    Bowden is the one who said the other day that the Pirates have talked to a lot of free agents, but they are not really into it. ‘soft / lowball ‘ offers.

    Thanks for the insider info Biz

  357. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m a fan. I’m watching the other analyst on the Ohio State game. The one everybody hates. Everybody but me, I think he’s great. Go Buckeyes. :)

  358. Milo Hamilton says:

    He’s going to dive into the pool ?

  359. Bizrow says:

    He says the Bucs only need “one big bat” for right or 1B, makes no comment about SS or SP, although he notes we are waiting for AJ to take a low ball offer. Notes one move will make us lunatics happy and believing. Then says NH will not fail (my words there)

    Yes, its still early, yes, NH brought things together this past season, Yes I am giving him a pass due to last year.

    But I am nervous, I’m a lunatic and I want it all.

    Another October ;-)

  360. Bizrow says:

    Could be he’s talking about a Bob Prince dive ;-)

  361. 21sthebest says:

    He’s fantastic. Especially when asked if an alley oop will make tomorrow’s top 10 and he replied, “I don’t watch that stuff.”

  362. Bizrow says:

    Put Jandy there instead of Stigey

    Ratings will go thru the roof for Pens games ;-)

  363. Milo Hamilton says:

    That was in St. Louis, wasn’t it ?

  364. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    No….It goes as a notch in the sleeve of all the Pirate fans that are jealous of the Steelers.
    Strange and unusual…..

  365. Bizrow says:

    Yes, my fellow was supposedly drunk as a skunk, 10-15 feet to clear.

    I have many good memories listening to him with my friends.

  366. theplanisworking says:

    Milo, he has always been very complimentary to Pitt whenever he does one of the Panthers games.
    I think he does an awesome job.

  367. theplanisworking says:

    Milo, he has always been very complimentary to Pitt whenever he does one of the Panthers games.
    I think he does an awesome job.

  368. +++++++++++++++

    Milo is the man.

  369. I think it should go towards your percentage, TC.

  370. Bizrow says:

    Never understood why females are over 50% of the population and they supposedly are not qualified or used for the same rate employment wise

    Or is it folks don’t accept them as such??

    Just sayin

  371. theplanisworking says:

    You are thinking too much.
    Its Wednesday.

  372. Bizrow says:

    The Bucs are interested in David Price?? Per MLBTradeRumors

  373. Bizrow says:

    No, not really.

    Anytime I hear “this lady is good”

    Its just a pet peeve of mine

    No offense to anyone intended, specially not John

  374. Bizrow says:

    The Mariners, Dodgers, Angels, Pirates, Rangers, Diamondbacks and Blue Jays all have interest in David Price and believe they could put together a strong enough package to convince the Rays to deal him,

    Must be NH’s sweetie

  375. JohninOshkosh says:

    No offense taken at all, Bizzy. Your point was well made, sir.

  376. Milo Hamilton says:

    Got The 50 Greatest Games in Pirates History for my birthday. Ain’t it great that it’s already outdated. That Wild Card game certainly ranks.

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