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Morning Java: KLM post? Kunitz, Letang, Megna

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …

>> The Friday column from Consol ambitiously tries to figure out what’s wrong with Kris Letang. And what to do about it.

Part of our talk yesterday …

Chris Kunitz keeps building a case for Sochi with two more goals to sink a sizzling San Jose team, even with Evgeni Malkin out. Rob Rossi has the game story.

Here’s a couple Qs I had for Jayson Megna about his ridiculous short-side shot over Antti Niemi

Random randomness from the scene: You’d almost never know the Penguins beat the Sharks by four, so complimentary were the victors. “That’s one really good hockey team over there,” Sidney Crosby told me. “They just keep coming at you in waves.” … Crosby was still better than anyone on the San Jose side, nothing three assists and apparently doing a lot more. “There are so many things that Sid does that people don’t see, little things,” Kunitz said. “He did it all tonight. He dominated out there.” … Joe Vitale helped one goal with a hard center drive, another with a screen. No points for that, but teammates notice … There’s no way Olli Maatta is really 19, is there? How diligent are the birth records in Finland? … Marc-Andre Fleury was really sharp against a team that never stopped coming. Shouldn’t be overlooked. … I won’t expound on this, but let’s just say the Penguins saw something in Niemi early on they felt they could exploit. … This Robert Bortuzzo thing is getting silly. Kid needs to play. … The Penguins’ brief tribute to Tyler Kennedy was just right. A goal, a lifting of the Cup and a thank-you message. Fans seemed to appreciate it, and Kennedy definitely did when responding to the applause by raising his stick on the San Jose bench. Nice touch. That’s how Pittsburgh should welcome back its champions. … James Harrison, anyone?

Here’s our full Penguins coverage.

Here’s Sharks news from the San Jose Mercury News.

Here are official game highlights from NHL.com.

And our Penguins photo gallery by Chaz Palla, including this shot of Letang and Fleury stuffing a John McCarthy wrap attempt …

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>> The Steelers aren’t the only ones impressed by Le’Veon Bell, by Alan Robinson.

Uh-oh. Mike Adams will be back at left tackle. Mark Kaboly reports.

Here’s our full Steelers coverage.

Here’s Dolphins news from the Miami Herald.

Here are official game highlights from NFL.com.

>> Pitt has Loyola Marymount tonight at the Pete. John Harris previews.

>> The weekly chat will begin at 11:30 a.m. — a half-hour earlier than usual — because of an interview I’ve got set up at Steelers HQ. It’ll happen right here on the blog, as always, and you can post questions in the chat field as soon as you see the post.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.

Comments

  1. Drew71 says:

    I don’t know what Bell is complaining about. I bang my helmet-less head off the ground practically every day.

  2. JAL says:

    JAL’s December Morning Links

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6exsatE-DUk

    GENERAL DAILY UPDATED BASEBALL SITES

    1- MLB Transactions

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pittsburgh_pirates/

    3 MLB Important Dates

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/important_dates.jsp

    BLOGS and such

    4—Pirates Prospects

    Winter Leagues: Arribas Breaks Out of Slump, Sands Stays Cold

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2013/12/winter-leagues-arribas-breaks-out-of-slump-sands-stays-cold.html

    5 Bucs Dugout

    Links: Lopsided trades, Aoki, Price, Royals

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2013/12/5/5179086/links-lopsided-trades-aoki-price-royals

    6 Rumbunter

    Report: Gold Pirates P Will Be ‘New’ Primary Logo in 2014

    http://rumbunter.com/2013/12/05/report-gold-pirates-p-will-new-primary-logo-2014/

    7 WHYGAVS

    Passan: Pirates interested in David Price

    http://www.whygavs.com/pittsburgh-pirates/october-2013/passan-pirates-interested-in-david-price.html

    8 Green Weenie

    News & Rumors…

    http://oldbucs.blogspot.com/2013/12/news-rumors.html

    9 Yahoo Sports

    Non-Tender of Garrett Jones Marks End of an Era in Pittsburgh Pirates Baseball

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/non-tender-garrett-jones-marks-end-era-pittsburgh-161600361–mlb.html

    10 Rant Sports

    David Price Rumors: Should Pittsburgh Pirates Consider Dealing for an SP

    http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2013/12/05/david-price-rumors-should-pittsburgh-pirates-consider-dealing-for-sp/

  3. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 H4TV

    Pittsburgh Pirates Prospect Tony Sanchez Joins MLB Access

    http://www.h4-entertainment.com/2013/12/pittsburgh-pirates-prospect-tony-sanchez-joins-mlb-access/

    12 Baseball Nation

    Which teams can trade for David Price, and which one shouldn’t

    http://www.baseballnation.com/2013/12/5/5177430/david-price-trade-rumors-mariners-pirates-dodgers-really-dodgers

    13 Radio World

    Garagiola to Receive O’Neil Award

    http://www.radioworld.com/article/garagiola-to-receive-o’neil-award/222624

    14 CBS Sports

    No, baseball (still) doesn’t need a salary cap

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24350073/no-baseball-still-doesnt-need-a-salary-cap

    15 Sports on Earth

    A Guide To Fielding Stats

    http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/64415132/

    16 Bloomberg

    Dave Winfield Joins Clark’s Staff at Baseball Players’ Union

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-05/dave-winfield-joins-clark-s-staff-at-baseball-players-union.html

    17 St Louis Post Dispatch

    Media Views: Will McCarver join Cardinals broadcasts?

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/media-views-will-mccarver-join-cardinals-broadcasts/article_3aa892f5-fd8b-52ea-b7c2-2d50838bb55c.html

    18 Sweetspot

    Ten from ’70s, ’80s for the Hall of Fame

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/42793/ten-from-70s-80s-for-the-hall-of-fame

    SPORTS WEBSITES

    19 Baseball Prospectus

    Measuring Pitching with TrackMan The Secrets of Fastball Spin

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=22362

    20 Fangraphs

    The Price for David Price

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-price-for-david-price/

    Song: December Collective Soul

  4. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    LaMarr Woodley says he will stay on the left side upon his return

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/12/5/5179466/steelers-depth-chart-outside-linebacker-lamarr-woodley-injury-status-week-14-dolphins

    The state of the Steelers at the three quarters mark of 2013

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/12/5/5168236/steelers-2013-season-analysis-statistics-review-roster-depth-chart

    22 Steelers Gab

    Steelers 2013 Scouting Report Week Fourteen: Miami Dolphins

    http://www.steelersgab.com/2013/12/04/steelers-2013-scouting-report-week-fourteen-miami-dolphins/

    Soccer(football)

    23 LA Times

    U.S. needs good draw, fast start for World Cup success
    http://www.latimes.com/sports/soccer/la-sp-arena-usa-world-cup-20131205,0,1617755.story#axzz2mbHl7RMo

    24 World Soccer Daily

    World Cup stadium completion in the lap of the gods

    http://www.worldsoccer.com/247/world-cup-stadiums

    PENGUIN BLOGS and NHL Links

    25 Pensburgh

    Memorable Moments: Shark Attack

    http://www.pensburgh.com/2013/12/5/5180148/memorable-moments

  5. JAL says:

    And boy does it show :)

  6. theplanisworking says:

    Already Post of the Day!!!!!! :D

  7. Pete says:

    DK/Readers,

    I agree that Bortuzzo should be in the lineup, retroactively if possible. But whose spot does he take? Do you bench Engo even though he’s been effective? Despres? Orpik hasn’t been playing particularly well lately, perhaps missing Paul Martin, but he won’t be given a night off as a healthy scratch.

  8. Jandy says:

    Which one, Hipposter? or both?
    LOL!

  9. Jandy says:

    Pete, that’s a good question. This blog has many Engo detractors, so I’d say that’s the first suggestion you’ll be given. But anyone who has eyes can see Bylsma loves him some Engo. Myself, I’d love to see Engo on the wing again, but I doubt that will happen.

    Not sure if you’ve been asked before, but if you post your hometown, Bizrow will add it to the list of Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum :)

  10. theplanisworking says:

    JAL’s……… but Drew’s is up there 2.

    Oh, 49/ going down to 22 with sleet.
    Yay !!

  11. Jandy says:

    haha! There ya go, JAL ;)

    Yeah I’ll just stay home with the bad weather and do my Christmas Cards and put up my tree :)

  12. theplanisworking says:

    Is it possible to bench Bylsma? ;)

    Maybe Tanger?? ;) ;)

    Despres would probably be the choice, but with Disco, ya just never know.

  13. Jandy says:

    It’s a tough one, to be sure. But we need to get these youngun’s up to speed for the playoffs, that much I do know.

  14. Wild Bill says:

    The only idea I have about the Bortuzzo situation is that his playing style is similar to Orpik’s. This being the last year of Orpik’s contract, the Pens want Borts for next year and that’s made harder if teams want him in trade demands this year. Playing Borts less makes that less likely.

    Now that I have the convoluted idea out of the way, it may also be that Borts doesn’t show as well as others in practice.

  15. AL says:

    Even though they lost the game, I loved the way the Sharks constantly charged the net like a wolfpack and fired shot after shot.
    Could have very easily been a 5-4 game if the puck had slid a few more inches the other way.
    Can the Pens learn something from the Sharks’ style of play?

  16. Joni says:

    AL, I agree about the Sharks swarming the net consistently and effortlessly. Well done on them.
    The Pens played with equal parts determination and desperation, which played a large part in their victory. Well done on them, too.

  17. DJ says:

    I fall into the “Engo detractor” category only because I’ve seen better options. It’s all relative to the alternatives at a particular time. That said, I think Engo has played well the last few games. Got to give credit where credit due.

    Kunitz’ comment about Sid doing all the little things that are not always appreciated is very true. Focused a lot on Sid last night and saw it all. A couple stick lifts here, a few “skating picks” there to clear room for puck carriers, 3-4 back checks turning the puck in the other direction, a dozen short back-handed passes to open areas anticipating where his linemates would be . . . He’s just the very best.

  18. 68 DAYS UNTIL PITCHERS & CATCHERS REPORT TO PIRATE CITY FOR SPRING TRAINING

  19. DJ says:

    Incidentally, Kunitz has been one of my favorite Pens since the day he arrived. The absolute personification of “hockey player”.

    Smart, team-first attitude, humble, versatile, great skater, great finisher, great checker, hard-nosed yet totally clean player.

    Anyone miss Ryan Whitney? An absolute steal by Ray.

  20. Milo Hamilton says:

    I had some extra time this morning so I crunched the numbers.

    If, and that’s a big if, the Steelers win their final four games they will make the playoffs if the following happens – 1 Baltimore loss (tying BAL is good enough due to division record if they lose to Cinci, or common games) & 1 Tennessee loss. That’s all the help they’ll need.

    If they finish 9-7 they already have the tiebreaker against the Jets (head to head), Miami (head to head), & San Diego (conference record). Again, all this assumes they win out.

  21. theplanisworking says:

    Groat mentioned 68 days til Pirate Spring training.

    But the burning question on this here blog is this……………….
    when does Tigers Spring Training begin?
    Cant wait to discuss that bullpen !

    :D

  22. hockeymonster says:

    DK, good read on Tanger. Seems like he knows what he needs to do in the new system.

  23. Wild Bill says:

    Better chances than I thought we still had, Milo. Thanks for that. Of course, the hard part is the “we win out” piece.

  24. Jandy says:

    +many

  25. Drew71 says:

    Too early in the season for me to plug into hockey, so I’ve only watched one game. This comment is simply about the team’s recent record.

    Pens have won five straight by an aggregate 22-9. From the thread comments, it seems they have been dominant in three of the past four games. Only one of those three teams, at least on paper, was a pushover.

    So with this recent stretch, I’m not making changes unless and until I’m forced to.

    Isn’t that would most coaches would do with this kind of hot streak?

    Maybe the guy should get some ice time. But it’s a long season with plenty of opportunity remaining.

  26. Only the 1-3-1 has changed.

  27. Looks good, Milo.

    I’m for it.

  28. Thundercrack says:

    Robinson Cano will get a boat load of money. That was never in doubt.

    But I think Jay Z should stick to the rap business.

  29. theplanisworking says:

    Joni, you are right about the Pens playing with determination and desperation last night.
    But they dont do that with any consistency. They need to learn to do it every game, not just coast for long stretches, or have silly breakdowns.

  30. NMR says:

    Ha, this makes for great television. It is hilarious how “baseball people” are treating Jay-Z, as if anyone had any doubt.

    Can’t have this outsider coming into OUR game!

  31. 21sthebest says:

    Cool! We’re allowed to talk playoffs again!

  32. Joni says:

    You are preaching to the choir on that one, Plan.
    It is so important that the Pens treat every opponent as if they are a humongous threat. Don’t just try your hardest when you are playing against teams in the West.
    We shall see how the desperation/determination quota holds up, especially against the the beastly teams in the West.

    Let’s go Pens!

  33. JohninOshkosh says:

    Dejan is having his chat at the same time the World Cup draw is being televised.

    So many multimedia choices, so little time.

  34. Milo Hamilton says:

    I see that talks with Seattle have “broken down” and the Mariners are “no longer in the mix”. I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you. :)

  35. Wild Bill says:

    Good day for the Mariners.

  36. theplanisworking says:

    Where di you hear this, Milo?
    I just listened to ESPN, and they said Cano has been offered 9yr.$225 million contract, and he is thinking it over.

    It wouldnt surprise me if talks broke down.

  37. Dejan,

    Really enjoyed the article on Tanger. Different take.

    Particularly enjoyed the “Random randomness” concoction above. Bits ‘n pieces delivered sharp and tastily. Good writing.

    I know you NEVER take suggestions for columns, so I am just going to muse out loud here about how great it would be if some excellent writer/columnist in town would transcribe his viewpoint on Aaron Donald. Here’s a guy from Penn Hills who is Defensive Player of the Year in the ACC, a 15 team football conference that has the Heisman Trophy winner and the possible/probable National Champion therein. First year for Pitt in the ACC, with few local sportswriters in these new venues who have seen Aaron Donald before, and he comes in and wins the best Defensive Player award available. Quite a coup for Pitt and an otherwise very average team.

    I’m just sitting here dreaming about how good it would be if a high quality writer took on that very germane task . . . . .

  38. theplanisworking says:

    I am surprised DK didnt postpone the chat this week for that very reason………….

  39. MLB Network is saying that.

  40. 21sthebest says:

    I’m surprised the World Cup didn’t postpone the draw for that very reason. :-)

  41. theplanisworking says:

    Thanks.
    I trust MLB Network more than ESPN NY/BOS/LA.

    So if Seattle is out, and Cano wont accept NY’s offer, where does Jay-Z go?

  42. JohninOshkosh says:

    Did anyone see that statistical breakdown on MLB Network’s “Hot Stove” between Dacid Wright and Robinson Cano. Oddly, they have played in exactly the same number of games in their respective careers. And David Wright leads Cano in many of the watched statistical categories.

    Yet, Cano must have better PR because he is being touted as Willie Mays.

  43. JohninOshkosh says:

    Typing like Brandie. :) *David Wright

    My fingers are cold. It’s 6 degrees here.

  44. Plus he doesn’t get booed.

  45. Dejan only covers the major sports.

  46. Negotiations are a game of chicken.

    Seattle will come crawling back, unless they think Cano is just using them to boost Yankees offer.

  47. DJ says:

    When I see Letang’s responses to DK’s questions (everything’s just fine in his game), I view it as a window into the approach of our coaching staff and what may be happening behind the scenes.

    While I am sure the coaching staff wants to keep Letang’s confidence high and feed him positive reinforcement, I think sometimes brutal honesty with the player is what’s called for rather than sugar-coating the message. Overall, Letang has been horrible to this point outside of a couple games (last night being one exception).

    Has the coaching staff not told him this in very blunt terms? Has it not shown him the video evidence, or does Letang have a handy retort on why every bad play was not his fault? In either case, if the message is not getting through, the coaching staff needs to do a better job, regardless of Letang’s ego. Acknowledgement that there have been problems is the first step to fixing them.

    We’re going to need him playing his very best if we are going to contend for the Cup.

  48. Oshkosh B’Gosh,

    I’m reading the first Hunger Games book right now.

    I take it you think I should then see the movie.

  49. JohnS says:

    I have never been a fan of Orpik. Just so one dimensional and it isn’t like a Rod Langway type shut down guy. Pens will not give him a contract next year most likely. He would have been the perfect piece to move in the offseason. Plus it would have opened up some cap space. Of course the way the injuries have hit the blueline it is good that they didn’t. Once you bring Scuderi and Martin back this group you really have so tough calls. If you start with 4, 7, and 58 that leaves 2, 3, 5, 41, 44, and 47 fighting for 3 spots. Easy move is to send 47 down as he has options. Playing 2, 3, and 44 means that you have to probably release 5 or 41. I can definitely see Shero moving a defenseman (most likely 41) even if it is only for spare parts.

  50. Suave John is a fan of Penn State’s old uniforms with no names on them.

  51. Jandy says:

    ewwwww and it’s headed this way….I HATE winter >;<

  52. Jandy says:

    GROAT! I read that and I read the sequel. You SHOULD see the movies. Excellent.

  53. JohninOshkosh says:

    I really liked the books.

    The first Hunger Games movie was better than the second.

    I am a huge Jennifer Lawrence fan. Just an absolutely sensational actress. She owns the Katniss Everdeen role. She just might win another Oscar for the upcoming “American Hustle” as well.

    Plus, the more interviews I see with her, the more endearing she becomes. She is the real deal.

  54. JohninOshkosh says:

    Sorry about sending it your way, Jandy. We get it from Alberta!

  55. Jandy says:

    What you say about the many defenseman the Pens has is very true. But to say that Orpik is one-dimentional is a bit extreme. He’s been a very consistent defenseman for many, many years. The Pens would have been up the proverbial creek without a paddle without him.

  56. Jandy says:

    Oshkosh, agree with you 110% about Lawrence. She has been able to keep her profile low with regards to publicity, yet be in the public’s eye for her role as katniss. I hope she continues to have such good taste and make god decisions. I really, really like her.
    My daughter said she liked the second movie, maybe even more than the first. I’m going to see the second one come he!! or high water and soon!

  57. Jandy says:

    that’s all right, my friend, I’ll forgive you and blame it on those darn Canadians ;)

  58. Jandy says:

    is that the mockingjay in your avatar????

  59. Jandy says:

    Home to Beyoncé???

  60. Milo Hamilton says:

    According to Jon Heyman – Cano to Seattle is back on. And close.

  61. Joni says:

    Good point about the coach’s handling of Letang.

  62. NMR says:

    Hahaha, well that didn’t take long, did it?

    New York Daily news got about 3 hours worth of play out of that great piece of investigative journalism.

  63. NMR says:

    But, but, but, JAY-Z!!!

  64. Court Jester says:

    I was at the Pens game last night. That was the loudest shot off the post I have ever heard in the first period. Great game and great atmosphere. I took a friend to a pens game for the first time last night and he was very impressed with how safe and family friendly the game was. I would never take my 3 year old to a football or basketball game but I would absolutely take him to a pens game. Thanks to the pens for keeping stupidity out of the stands so we can just enjoy the games.

  65. Milo Hamilton says:

    It reminds me of when Tiger first started showing up at the Masters.

  66. theplanisworking says:

    BEYONCE !!! ;)

  67. JohninOshkosh says:

    Jay Z is one of the best business minds of his generation. I think Robbie is in good hands.

  68. theplanisworking says:

    Just heard Enrique Rojas of ESPN Deportes reporting Cano has agreed to a 10yr/ $240 Million contract with Seattle.

  69. NMR says:

    Thank you for pointing out the obvious elephant in the room.

  70. Milo Hamilton says:

    You’re welcome. :)

  71. NMR says:

    What an embarrassment for baseball and baseball media.

    If Jay-Z were a white lawyer named Joe Smith he’d be praised for netting his client more than anyone expected.

  72. toochca says:

    According to the 4 letter network it’s been agreed upon a 10yr 240mil contract

  73. Scott says:

    No need to crunch any numbers. Just use this: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

    There are plenty of scenarios in which the Steelers could get in at 8-8 as well.

  74. hockeymonster says:

    Ya orpik isnt at risk of being scratched for anyone. I would however maybe find a game or 2 to rest him every now and then.

    I know the risks of signing dmen, or anyone for that matter in their mid 30′s but if you’re going to roll the dice, doing so with Piece and Brooksie isn’t the end of the world. And based on our pipeline of dmen we’re really not in position to replace orpik and the type minutes he brings. His natural skating ability puts him in a different category than most dmen and with his acumen for picking his spots on stepping up for hits i can see him being extra solid for another 3 or so seasons. Sprinkle in some of our youth and give brooksie the occasional break on heavy ice time and he’ll be fine. He can play on my team any day!

  75. CWalton_67 says:

    Nice to see TK get a good reception at Consol.

    I find myself in agreement with DK’s comments about Letang on TribLive radio just now, but I don’t believe Letang will ever play that way. Letang should be trade bait for a power forward and some grit. Despite some nice wins, as we have come to expect in the regular season, this team is not going far in the playoffs, as usual. A trade of Letang could change that.

  76. JohninOshkosh says:

    Good link, Scott.

  77. In 2013 the Tigers’ bullpen ranked 12th in the AL with a 4.01 ERA.

  78. Scott says:

    Tennessee and San Diego both still have to play at Denver. Baltimore has to play Cincy and New England.

    Bottom line: These other teams are going to keep losing. At 9-7, the Steelers will get in, without a doubt. At 8-8, they still have a great shot (especially if their one loss is at Green Bay, the NFC team.)

    Now they just have to go out and actually win these games.

  79. 21sthebest says:

    I wonder when they’re going to tell him that his new manager is Lloyd McClendon.

  80. Milo Hamilton says:

    By the way, baseball’s traditional low spenders are going to hate this Cano deal & will be the first (OK, maybe the 2nd after Yankee apologists) to shoot this down with both barrels. This is another one of those deals that illustrates how much money is really out there. And that not just the usual suspects can afford to spend it.

  81. Iceman says:

    My thoughts are that if you are going to play Bortuzzo, you bench the defensman who is playing the worst right now. IMHO, that player is Kris Letang. He seemed to have a decent game last night, but the turnover machine has to stop. Someone needs to real him in some and maybe some time in the pressbox will do that since nothing else has.

    My only concern is that Letang is an emotional fellow and benching him may break him even more.

  82. You would think these teams would go to school on the A-Rod contract debacle, but it seems stupid is as stupid does still reigns supreme.

    God bless them in the pacific northwest. Lloyd is probably licking his proverbial chops.

  83. theplanisworking says:

    +1.

    There has always been money…….. if there wasnt, the men who own them wouldnt own them anymore.

    It boils down to if they WANT to spend the money.

  84. Iceman says:

    Spot on HM.

  85. theplanisworking says:

    The bases are breathing a sigh of relief today!

  86. I hate it myself. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Pirates sign exactly nobody in the offseason, unless they get Loney or one of those other 2. Taillon will be up by June and Polanco will be rushed along.

    Although Garrett Jones is still available.

  87. Thundercrack says:

    Milo
    Teams may very well afford it. But that doesn’t mean that much money for that many years to a player that old makes this a wise investment or even a smart business decision.

  88. Super +++++++++++++++

  89. Bizrow says:

    So Cano will make in three years what the PBC is paying Cutch for his full contract.

    Something is wrong with this game

  90. NMR says:

    Right, and I’m sure Milo wasn’t aware of this.

  91. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Was able to catch the last 2 periods of last night’s game on the local channel.

    Nice to see the Pens beat the Sharks, gave me bragging rights against these locals.

    Sharks have actually been playing pretty decent. They have some good talent on that team, luckily, they didn’t show that last night.

  92. theplanisworking says:

    Ultra ++++++++++++++

  93. theplanisworking says:

    Errrr, should be men who own the teams……

  94. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Totally agree.

    I don’t mind giving Cano $24 mil a year, probably worth it, but not for 10 years.

  95. Milo Hamilton says:

    I was wrong, you were the first.

  96. Thundercrack says:

    I didn’t realize that Milo had a spokesperson.

  97. Jandy says:

    Yes indeed, it needs a salary cap!!!

  98. hockeymonster says:

    Thanks…but in response to your post above i wouldnt scratch tanger either. He’s starting to get the message. Engo and borts need to alternate more often for obvious reasons. But if you go back to the Capitals game couple weeks ago the team really turned the corner system wise focusing more on puck possession and getting better on when to send in more than one forechecker. Starting to think we can refer to season as B.C. game and A.C. game.

  99. JohninOshkosh says:

    The other teams are not in business to worry about how their deals affect Bob Nutting’s wealth portfolio. If you want a player and are willing to pay for it, more power to you. Everybody is a capitalist, unless it comes to baseball payrolls.

  100. theplanisworking says:

    And you are Mother Teresa !!! ;)

  101. Jandy says:

    Dang Monster Mash , we agree!

  102. 21sthebest says:

    I agree with Milo, Lucky. The money is there.

  103. 21sthebest says:

    +1

  104. 21sthebest says:

    Sometimes owners sell for various reasons. And sometimes it’s because they don’t want to invest more.

  105. hockeymonster says:

    Well thats no fun ;)

  106. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Agree Lucky. I personally don’t like the deal for the Mariners in terms of length of the contract, but who am I to judge what they can/can’t afford.

    Almost always goes to the highest bidder.

    I also don’t blame Jay-Z or Robbie for taking this deal.

  107. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I don’t hear a lot of people liking Scott Boras.

  108. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t think anything is wrong. The money for these deals comes from us, btw.

  109. NMR says:

    So predictable. Ignore the overall point of money, focus on the specifc way another team has spent it.

  110. NMR says:

    And when was the last time somebody reported him, specifically, blowing up a players negotiation?

  111. Basically, Seattle is giving Cano $30 million for 6 years, but spreading the payments over 10 years.

    The way the $$ keeps going up in baseball for owners, looks like a good investment. Seattle has some serious young pitchers, and some promising young players in the field. If Cano is a producing $30 million ball player for the next 5-6 seasons, Seattle will be set for some serious runs.

  112. 21sthebest says:

    Now pretend you’re a Yankee fan Jandy. Would you want a salary cap?

  113. theplanisworking says:

    Granderson going to the Mets………… 4yrs/$60 million.

    In related news, the Pirates will raise the pierogies pay to $75/game.

  114. Jandy says:

    Probably not, 21, but that doesn’t change the fact…that it’s ridiculously obscene. :)

  115. toochca says:

    With the recent development with Cano, who do the Yankees target now to play 2B? My initial thoughts were Brandon Philips. Would be sad to see him leave the Reds (sarcasm). Also Ricky Weeks should be available.

  116. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Ha. Isn’t that all the time?!!

    I didn’t see that report, seriously someone blamed Jay to the Z?

  117. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    They did sign Kelly Johnson…..obviously not that good of a replacement, but they may look to make a deal.

    Would love to see Phillips go somewhere else.

  118. 21sthebest says:

    I was thinking Infante and spend the savings elsewhere.

  119. Wild Bill says:

    It’s likely to come down to the amount of money the Pens want to spend on defensemen as to whether Orpik would stay next year. He is, of course, valuable now.

  120. Wild Bill says:

    Now it’s a bad day for the Mariners once again.

  121. Court Jester says:

    I was there. The sharks showed it with 45 shots. They are a great team. They just ran into a Flower wall. What a performance by MAF!

  122. theplanisworking says:

    Gary Kubiak fired.

  123. theplanisworking says:

    US soccer put in a group with Germany, Portugal, and Ghana.

    YIKES !!

  124. Thundercrack says:

    The Yankees don’t care about any stinking savings.

  125. Arriba Wilver says:

    Is that the Yankee SS who took a ball in the neck in game 7 in the 1960 World Series?

  126. Milo Hamilton says:

    Three more game for Wade Phillips to look befuddled.

  127. theplanisworking says:

    Hmmmm.
    I thought that was Smokin Joe Kubek.

    If it was Tony, rumor has it he blamed Tomlin for that carom……..

  128. Dom says:

    Malkin is suppose to miss the game on Saturday too.

  129. Jandy says:

    well, poop!

  130. Wild Bill says:

    Harry Z recalled by the Pens.

  131. Wild Bill says:

    Geno probably hurt himself throwing Tavares on his head.

  132. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Ha! I happen to know the 2B from that Yankees team.

    By know, means, I’ve met him around town a few times. (Not this town)

  133. Milo Hamilton says:

    Andrew Ebbett broke his ankle.

  134. Jandy says:

    I still think it’s because Tavares speared him in the family jewels to begin with….friggin Tavares!

  135. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Wish the Sharks came out this way.

  136. Jandy says:

    MILO!!

  137. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Interesting take.

  138. Jandy says:

    Dang I thought you were kidding :(
    I REALLY like Ebbert..reminds me of Max Talbot.

  139. Jandy says:

    Friggin Jandy typos…Ebbett

  140. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Damn shame.

  141. Milo Hamilton says:

    Reminds me of Billy Barty.

  142. hockeymonster says:

    Bummer! If disco and granato wanna suit up I can take over behind the bench :)

    I would suit up but would need a couple weeks to get the legs going…ok maybe a couple months ;)

  143. Jandy says:

    Suit me up, just make sure they have size 9 wides ;)

  144. Jandy says:

    SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  145. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Sure, but there’s more to this story than Cano saying Show me the Money.

  146. hockeymonster says:

    Janster, you cant skate with those…you’ll need 7 wides ;)

  147. theplanisworking says:

    Just dont ask me to skate.
    I have the gracefulness of a Hippo…….. (really). ;)

  148. Bizrow says:

    Hurdle was on the FAN today, said a couple of interesting things

    There is a deadline for AJ to make his mind up, sounds like they are in contact.

    PRNW will stay switch hitting for now, but there will be a Plan “B”

    He is comfortable, or so he says with the RF spot

    Talked about Lambo maybe being in the 1B mix

  149. Milo Hamilton says:

    Garrett Jones taking his talents to South Beach.

  150. 21sthebest says:

    MLB ‏@MLB 5m
    .@Mariners statement: We are not able to confirm any news regarding Cano at this time. If/when an agreement is finalized, we will announce.

  151. Thanks, Biz. Some intesting stuff. Now the Lambo detractors can dissect those comments.

  152. Jandy says:

    Monster Mash, no way I squeeze my size 9 wides into a size 7 wide or otherwise! :P

  153. Milo Hamilton says:

    Logan Morrison should be available. Buccos should check in on that.

  154. 21sthebest says:

    Yes, Cassie is going to South Beach.

  155. theplanisworking says:

    The following views are not necessarily those of the poster here (me)….

    But it is Pirate discussion, instead of Tiger bullpen discussion……

    http://www.timesonline.com/sports/pirates/madden-pirates-wasting-their-window/article_8c25f2c4-6bca-584a-a97c-529602ee2625.html

  156. Thundercrack says:

    I agree Milo. The Bucs should look at Morrison.

  157. 21sthebest says:

    What I meant was:

    Cano dollars – Infante dollars = Could spend elsewhere.

    Note to NMR: I’m not assuming Cano had to be salary dumped.

  158. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    She’ll do well there

    Good Luck Garrett.

    I should send him a tweet…lol

  159. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Looks like that HUGE metropolis of Seattle has dished out a kings ransom (and then some) to outbid the Yankees for Robinson Cano.
    It isn’t the fact that I would want to spend that kind of money on Cano.
    It’s the fact that the Nutting Regime can afford to spend more.
    But…… Except for Sept/early October of 2013…..They do not.

    All propaganda radio speakers and blogs are in order.
    The lines have been drawn in the sand.
    I stand corrected…..But the Pirates appear ready to add by subtraction.

  160. Thundercrack says:

    I think we knew before the Cano signing that Nutting could afford to spend money.

    But I don’t know if the owners of the Mariners are richer than The Regime.

  161. NMR says:

    The Marlins would be getting the better player.

  162. 21sthebest says:

    Well for whatever it’s worth, as of 4 years ago the financials that were leaked showed that the Mariners had zero debt and the Regime has $120 million worth of debt. Of course though, I’m assuming that neither set of books has been fraudulently doctored.

  163. NMR says:

    Baseball just loves to shoot itself in the foot, over and over.

    Anything or anyone that challenges the old guard is immediately chastised.

  164. NMR says:

    Agreed.

    One also has to consider the additional money Robbie Cano will bring to the franchise.

  165. NMR says:

    Baseball plays with Monopoly money.

    Mariners play with Nintendo money.

  166. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Pirates play with the booty.

  167. 21sthebest says:

    Temple cut 7 sports effective July 1, 2014, including baseball. Which would be a former high school teammate of my son’s senior year there. :-(

  168. Milo Hamilton says:

    Notice how you don’t see high revenue football schools cutting non revenue generating sports ?

  169. Arriba Wilver says:

    And the Daily News is baseball?

  170. Bizrow says:

    2 years, 7.5 MM total for the Legend

  171. NMR says:

    Although it would be kind of neat to take both of Miami’s crappy first basemen and combine them to make one sort of OK first baseman.

  172. NMR says:

    Knew a kid in the same situation when Duquesne cut their program a few years back.

  173. theplanisworking says:

    Didnt Bobby Morris just cut programs too?

  174. 21sthebest says:

    Another friend of my son’s accepted a baseball scholarship to Duquesne, then they cut the program before his freshman year.

  175. Nor Cal Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Sounds about right for GI Jones.

  176. NMR says:

    $2.5m in year 1, $5m in year 2.

    Seems pretty clear they think he’ll bounce back and plan on flipping him at the deadline or over the winter.

    Marlins gon’ Marlin.

  177. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nate McLouth to the Nats – 2 years / $10.75 million.

  178. Bizrow says:

    I’m thinking the PBC will go the trade route this offseason

  179. I think you’re right.

  180. theplanisworking says:

    With all the activity going on this week, the trade market for many teams will dry up.

  181. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    The trade market for the Pirates = Addition by subtraction.
    This is a playoff team that should be adding 2-3 players to what they had.
    I don’t have a problem losing Byrd, Morneau and even AJ…..But they should be adding to make up for those losses.
    All that I keep hearing is that they will be trading major bullpen components and/or more.

  182. theplanisworking says:

    As long as the return is good.
    That is the key.

  183. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I still don’t like fixing holes that create other holes.

  184. theplanisworking says:

    Neither do I.
    Like fixing a dyke that has many holes.

    Still waiting on an AJ decision.
    More troubling is the fact that other teams are improving (St Louis), Pirates kinda running the treadmill.

  185. Thundercrack says:

    ‘That said, I’m also not going to join those hyperventilating over what the Pirates have or haven’t done on the 6th of December. Most free agents remain unsigned. Trades are a possibility, too, of course. Plenty of time.’

    That was said by DK in today’s chat. I totally agree with him.

    Plus, no other team in our division but the Cardinals has improved. And I would probably only count the Giants and Nationals as teams that have improved enough to be a threat to take a spot in the playoffs….here on December 6

  186. theplanisworking says:

    DK has been wrong before. Just sayin’.

    And, sometimes when teams sign players early, it takes them out of the trade market. Sometimes it is prudent to strike when the iron is hot.

    DK: No. I’m never wrong. Take it back.

  187. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Nobody is hyperventilating…..But Russell Martin was signed, sealed and delivered several days ago last year at this time.

  188. theplanisworking says:

    Hyperventilating AND getting our underwear in a bunch!
    Good times !

  189. Milo Hamilton says:

    Another stellar effort by the weather guessers.

  190. Bizrow says:

    Yes, have faith in NH

    I just think trades are what he’s sniffing at

    But there are several holes in the lineup/roster

    Crap, a PBC post

    Dejan, well I’m doomed

  191. theplanisworking says:

    I think they just want to see their stock in egg, milk, and bread companies go up.

  192. Bizrow says:

    Weather gets ratings

    And the store was full

    That being said

    Yup

  193. Bizrow says:

    TC, we can’t even figure out where the Cards jockstraps are, less hold them ;-)

 
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