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Morning Java: Which part of ‘final’ score was confusing?

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

ORLANDO, Fla. — Morning, Lunatics …

>> The Tuesday video will have to wait another week to make its debut, partially due to McKechnie Field getting pounded by rain all day, partially due to the change in travel plans. Which is fine. The feature really should start in Pittsburgh. And for that matter, its second episode really should come in another very special place.

>> I’m going to preface this rant by saying the subject doesn’t matter in the slightest. At least not singularly.

Last night in St. Louis, the Blues beat the Jets, 4-1. That was the score put out to the world, anyway, including the official Twitter accounts of St. Louis and Winnipeg. The players left the ice, the fans left the ScottTrade Center, even the officials were gone. But between 18-20 minutes later, the following appeared on the Jets’ account:

Screen Shot 2014-03-18 at 12.23.29 AM

See anything wrong there?

What you can’t see are the time stamps, but I can tell you it’s an 18-minute gap between the one on the bottom and the later one on the top. The Blues’ timeline looked no different, same time stamps.

What the heck?

The short version is this: St. Louis was awarded a goal with 0.1 seconds left, while at the other end all manner of mayhem ensued. On the ice, the call was an awarded goal. On the ice and even after everyone was off the ice, the score of the game was 4-1.

Until someone — ‘the NHL,’ according to Winnipeg’s Twitter account — ‘changed the score.’

Sorry, man, but that just can’t happen. And if someone in New York or Toronto has decided that it can, that sets one monstrously ugly precedent for the sport going forward.

They call it the final score for a reason.

It isn’t just the participants and the athletes who deserve to know that the score is final once they’ve left the competition. It’s the fans and the TV viewers and, yeah, though no one with any league will discuss this, the bettors. When the game is over, it’s over. I don’t care if it’s last night’s mostly meaningless game in St. Louis with an outcome that wasn’t affected, or if it’s Brett Hull’s skate in the crease, or if it’s Santonio Holmes staying inbounds, or even what might have been a welcome reversal with Armando Galarrago’s imperfect game, the final score must be the final score.

I challenged Twitter followers late last night to come up with other examples they could recall of scores being changed after the fact, and the only that was produced concretely came in college football. It’s an odd case, as you’ll see on that link, the 2011 USC victory over Utah, in that a miscommunication between the on-field officials and the scorers in the press box was blamed. But it still looks hideous in that it took two hours to change the score from 17-14 to 23-14. Here, too, the winner wasn’t determined, but one can only imagine if it had.

Several readers noted the Steelers-Chargers fiasco from 2008. That one, most of you will recall, was a huge mess, as the link will remind. But the key difference between that and the two above is that, per all accounts, the officials on the field ruminated for a more reasonable 10-minute delay before the outcome was initially determined. Again, not sure that’s in the same class. I could be wrong. It’s not totally clear who made the final ruling on that final score, whether it was the officials or the NFL.

Other readers cited a NASCAR controversy, as well as some in the Olympics and other individual sports that rely on order of finish and have that order changed when someone is discovered later — even decades later — to have cheated. Those seem fair to bring up.

But this one was the best: Harvey Haddix’s 1959 masterpiece, a performance which should never need elaboration for proper context, had a change of score, too. And it took a full day for the National League to rule that the man who hit the apparent two-run homer to win it in the 13th, Joe Adcock, had passed Hank Aaron on the bases. Adcock was given a double, and the score went from 2-0 to 1-0.

As evidence, Pittsburgh’s morning newspaper had the former score, the evening paper the latter.

That, too, of course, didn’t affect the outcome, a common thread here. Woe unto whichever league tries that one first. Best to just not do it at all.

>> Kris Letang looked and felt great in his return to practice, Josh Yohe reports from Consol.

In light of some of the spirited debate in the comments section of this blog yesterday, I might call special attention to the point made in the article that doctors remain uncertain if the stroke was or wasn’t caused by the hole in the heart. It’s not known.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Penguins page, with more on tonight’s matchup with visiting Dallas.

Here are official game highlights on NHL.com.

Here’s Stars news from the Dallas Morning News.

>> Down goes Chris Stewart, the Pirates’ backup catcher, to likely knee surgery, Travis Sawchik reports.

And in Stewart’s place goes … Tony Sanchez?

Don’t be so sure.

One of the many unfortunate things about Twitter is that its immediacy tempts you to put out opinion right on the spot when, almost always, it’s better to wait and find out more. I tweeted yesterday that Sanchez ‘deserved’ the spot, but I later heard on my drive over here from Bradenton that there’s deep concern about his throwing. If that holds, it’s hardly a given he’ll come north.

Meanwhile, the local head football coach gave a speech to the Pirates, then an interview to Sawchik

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page.

Here’s Chris Horner’s updated-daily spring training photo gallery.

Here are official game highlights on MLB.com.

>> Jamie Dixon is playing down Pitt as an underdog to Colorado, Kevin Gorman reports.

That might get some guffaws for those who look at the Buffs being without their best player, Spencer Dinwiddie, and being generally lousy on the road, but hey, who’s to say Dixon isn’t painting the Panthers as underdogs because they just aren’t very good at this NCAA Tournament thing?

No?

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pitt page.

Here’s Colorado news from the Boulder Daily Camera.

>> Guy Whimper, aka Abdullah the Butcher — if you don’t know, don’t ask — is back with the Steelers’ O-line. Abdullah Robinson reports.

Also, if you missed it late last night, James Starks canceled his visit with the Steelers to stay with the Pack, according to the Green Bay Press-Gazette.

Wide receiver or running back? The panel of WPXI–TV’s Subway Final Word debated that Sunday …

>> I’ll call in to TribLIVE Radio at 11:30 a.m.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.

Comments

  1. JohninOshkosh says:

    Must have been quite the scene tonight at the Caesar Palace sport book and the like.

    I think it’s a bit of a leap to connect Dixon’s comments with past Pitt tournament performances. It is a time honored coaching strategy. Lou Holtz at Notre Dame was the master. I have no idea if it works or not,

  2. Dan1283 says:

    The Pirates situation is interesting to me when it comes to the catcher. And few months ago, the Pirates had either little faith in Sanchez’s ability to be the backup right now, wanted him to play more often in Indy, or like even a mix of both.
    That led to the Stewart signing, and they paid the guy $1 million. Chump change, I know. But now the Pirates are in an interesting spot that could provide some insight into how they think. If they hand the job to Tony Sanchez and sign a catcher for the minors, a move I wouldn’t question, then what was the Stewart signing for? What, Sanchez changed their mind in a month of spring ball? There’s no one else on the market better than him? Not sure that’s the direction they want to go, because they would just look silly for even going the Stewart route.
    It’s still early so the Pirates will go out and sign a major league veteran backup if they want to be consistent. If they don’t think Sanchez is ready help the team AND sit four times a week, then he needs to be in AAA playing every day no matter what happens to the Stewart or the next guy they sign so long as Russell Martin is healthy and is the starter.
    Might seem like a minor thing to some people, but either Sanchez is ready or he isn’t, and in my opinion if they didn’t think he was back in December then he still isn’t now in March.

  3. radio wave says:

    Red sox have a surplus of catching talent.

  4. Reading says:

    DK:

    The famous “Merkle’s Boner” play late in the 1908 season between the Cubs and Giants is similar as the Giants apparently won on a walk-off hit with two outs, but Merkle- who was on first- failed to touch second base and was “forced out” several minutes later after Johnny Evers retrieved the ball after the crowd rushed the field and tagged second base. An umpire finally called Merkle out, nullifying the winning run. It took the National League several days to rule on whether Merkle was out. Finally, the out was upheld, the game ended in a tie, and a one-game playoff had to be played between the Cubs and Giants. The Cubs won the playoff, and then the World Series, and have never won anything again.

  5. bpn8pitt says:

    I think they should go with Sanchez. Get him around the staff, get him some ML at bats, most importantly, get him around Martin to show him how to prepare.

    At this point, they aren’t gonna give up a lot for a backup catcher. Anyone they do get is going to have drawbacks.

    Their bench is a joke, though. Again.

  6. Thundercrack says:

    I only counted 2 “obviously” from Tomlin. One from Travis.

    And did you notice how nice he was to the baseball reporter? Obviously Tomlin is a sensitive Pirate fan

  7. JAL says:

    JAL’s How Do You Catch a Girl Morning Links

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpM_gDea4FQ&feature=kp

    GENERAL DAILY UPDATED BASEBALL SITES

    1- MLB Transactions

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/pittsburgh_pirates/

    3 BFFL’s 2014 Pirates Stats Spreadsheet

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsjN0zO-DxI0dDNkaWxFNWIwNDVUQzEwYXp5SlpGNkE&usp=drive_web#gid=0

    4 Pirates Prospects Spring Training Tracker

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/st2014

    BLOGS and such

    5—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: The Walking Dead

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2014/03/first-pitch-the-walking-dead.html

    Pirate City Notes: Cole Goes 5, Kingham vs Polanco, Heredia Starts

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2014/03/pirate-city-notes-cole-goes-5-kingham-vs-polanco-heredia-starts.html

    Luis Heredia Pitching Against Several Top Hitting Prospects (Video)

    http://www.piratesprospects.com/2014/03/luis-heredia-pitching-against-several-top-hitting-prospects-video.html

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Will the Pirates’ position players be improved in 2014?

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2014/3/17/5519586/will-the-pirates-position-players-be-improved-in-2014

    7 Rumbunter

    Rum Bunter Giveaway: Win 2014 Final Four Tickets, a $500 Spending Spree, or MLB Opening Day Tickets!

    http://rumbunter.com/2014/03/17/rum-bunter-giveaway-win-2014-final-four-tickets-a-500-spending-spree-or-mlb-opening-day-tickets/

    When It Rains, Spring Training Sucks

    http://rumbunter.com/2014/03/17/rains-spring-training-sucks/

    8 Green Weenie

    3/17: Hot Rod, John Smiley, Caracas, Denny Neagle…

    http://oldbucs.blogspot.com/2014/03/317-hot-rod-john-smiley-caracas-denny.html

    9 SaberBucs

    How Many Games Will the Pirates Win in 2014?: Saberbucs Prediction.

    http://saberbucs.net/2014/03/17/how-many-games-will-the-pirates-win-in-2014-saberbucs-prediction/

    10 Pirates 101

    Chris Stewart Injury Opens Door for Tony Sanchez as Pittsburgh Pirates’ Backup Catcher

    http://www.sportsmedia101.com/pittsburghpirates/2014/03/17/chris-stewart-injury-opens-door-for-tony-sanchez-as-pittsburgh-pirates-backup-catcher/

  8. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 KDKA

    Pirates Have Future Ace In Gerrit Cole

    http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/03/17/pirates-have-future-ace-in-gerrit-cole/

    12 Orange County Register

    Krikorian: Retired baseball vet Bob Bailey reminisces on living a ‘dream’

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bailey-605898-home-says.html

    13 Newsday

    Russell Martin: Yankees didn’t try hard to keep me

    http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/russell-martin-yankees-didn-t-try-hard-to-keep-me-1.7419808

    14 Pirates Site

    Stewart to seek second opinion; surgery likely

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/pit/pirates-catcher-chris-stewart-to-seek-second-opinion-surgery-likely?ymd=20140317&content_id=69499246&vkey=news_pit

    Hurdle has complete faith in relief corps

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140317&content_id=69493826&notebook_id=69493830&vkey=notebook_pit&c_id=pit

    15 Rant Sports

    Pittsburgh Pirates’ Catching Depth Takes a Hit After Chris Stewart Injury

    http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2014/03/17/pittsburgh-pirates-catching-depth-takes-a-hit-after-chris-stewart-injury/

    16 Sarasota Herald tribune

    Versatile Martinez hard to miss for Pirates

    http://springtraining.heraldtribune.com/2014/03/17/versatile-martinez-hard-miss-pirates/

    17 Fansided

    MLB Rumors: Joel Hanrahan working his way back, could sign with new team soon

    http://fansided.com/2014/03/17/mlb-rumors-joel-hanrahan-working-way-back-sign-new-team-soon/#!AnQ7y

    18 St. Louis Post Gazette

    Bernie: How Matheny can improve in 2014

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/bernie-miklasz/bernie-how-matheny-can-improve-in/article_2aaae553-d491-51f9-b629-45f00a486054.html

    19 Fangraphs

    Pitching Through Pain Rarely Works Out Well

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/pitching-through-pain-rarely-works-out-well/

    20 Baseball Prospectus

    The Darkhorses Batting Average

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=23048

  9. bpn8pitt says:

    Unleash hell, Buccos.

  10. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Guy Whimper contract puts Steelers $2.4 under 2014 salary cap

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014/3/17/5519744/steelers-guy-whimper-contract-details-salary-cap

    Ryan Clark says Ravens and Jets are interested

    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2014-steelers-free-agency/2014/3/17/5519428/ryan-clark-rumors-nfl-free-agency-jets-ravens

    Soccer(football)

    22 Bloomberg Stats Insight

    World Cup Countdown: France – Griezmann set for Brazil trip?

    https://www.bsports.com/statsinsights/football/world-cup-countdown-france-griezmann-set-brazil-trip

    23 BBC Football

    Hull City: FA set to reject name change to Hull Tigers

    http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/26618670
    24 World Soccer

    Calls for FIFA to pressure on Qatar over workers rights

    http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/calls-fifa-pressure-qatar-workers-rights

    PENGUIN BLOGS and NHL Links

    25 Pensburgh

    The Penguins and Their Injuries

    http://www.pensburgh.com/2014/3/17/5520346/the-penguins-and-their-injuries

  11. Dom says:

    I think James Harrison should get his wish and resign with the steelers. Anyone agree?

  12. Jim S. says:

    I think their preference was for Sanchez to play every day in Indy, Dan. When they said that, they weren’t saying he is not good enough to be the back-up in Pittsburgh because in their mind being the starter in Indy is better for his development than being the back-up to Russell Martin this year. So, they went out and got a quality MLB defensive catcher in Stewart to be Martin’s back-up this year, and would still have him around to be Sanchez’s back-up next year in Pittsburgh if Sanchez is ready. I think that was the plan, and their assumption was Sanchez would be ready to be the starter in Pittsburgh next year when Martin, presumably, would be gone.

    Now, they have to decide whether it makes sense to scrap that plan given that Stewart is out for a long time and they expect to contend. I think they would still prefer to have Sanchez be the starter in Indy, but they value the catcher position too much to leave the back-up role in Pittsburgh to just anyone. If they cannot swing a deal for a quality MLB defender, I think they go with Sanchez as Martin’s back-up.

    That’s just my take, Dan. I could be wrong about what they are thinking. But, it is not easy to just find another guy capable of being a MLB back-up without a huge dropoff if you value catching as highly as the Bucs do. Top notch defenders at the position are few and far between, and the Barajas-Fort experiments did not go well defensively. Plenty of teams are left scrambling for good catchers before and during every season when injuries occur. I believe that is why the Pirates are drafting what appears to many to be too many catchers for their system. The Pirates appear to value that position more than the average team does.

  13. 21sthebest says:

    The situation completely changed with Stewart’s injury Dan. So it needs looked at completely differently now. I don’t think they had little faith in Sanchez’ ability to be a backup at all. He caught significant games going down the stretch last year. Sanchez said that he was told this year that they didn’t want him to be the backup. I don’t think it’s as black and white as Sanchez is either ready or he’s not.

  14. Jim S. says:

    Not really, no. I loved James, Dom. But, I didn’t think it ended so well when he left for Cincy.

  15. Arriba Wilver says:

    No.

  16. DJ says:

    Iginla 25 goals at RW . . . yeah, RW, for Boston.

    That’s all I’ve got.

  17. Dom says:

    Why not fellas?

    We need the depth. If James is willing to resign on the cheap, then what’s the harm?

  18. Dom says:

    He should have been on Sid’s line when he was on our team.

  19. Jandy says:

    Another aging player to deal with? No thanks. This team needs to move forward and get younger, not backwards.

  20. hockeymonster says:

    After a slow start too…

  21. BillyBaduka says:

    I agree if it’s one year around league minimum.

    Harrison would provide a great example of how to workout for Jarvis Jones even if James can’t contribute much on the field.

    If Harrison helps Jones get stronger (by example, I’m not saying Harrison is a teacher) then I think it would be worth it.

  22. DJ says:

    Didn’t have a chance to read posts on Pitt yesterday but this could be the year Pitt pulls off the shocker (instead of being pushed by the Shockers) and takes down Florida in the second round. Not seen Florida play but told they are a senior-laden team. Also told they played a few games down the stretch where they squeaked by.

    If you are going to play a No. 1, better to do it very early.

  23. Brandie says:

    On a lighter note, the guy with the Soffffftest name in football has resigned with the Steelers. Unleash Hell Guy Whimper, unleash Hell indeed!

  24. Brandie says:

    James Harrison may have to swallow a lot of humble pie and crow to make that scenario work. I am not sure if he is able to do that.

  25. The Pirates are off for real today, while the Pens play Dallas tonight. It rained almost all day yesterday and all night here in Daytona Beach, Florida and it’s still raining lightly this morning.

  26. Wild Bill says:

    G-mornin’ Brandie. Another way to look at Guy would be to say that with that last name, he MUST have been tough, or he never would have made it to the NFL. A ten year old would have been challenged by that.

  27. DJ says:

    HCDB = overthinking.

  28. Brandie says:

    Wild Bill Almon!

    It is a good thing Guy Whimper’s first name is not William. Otherwise he could ne known as Wee Willy Whimper. Imagine having to live that down!

  29. DJ says:

    Jarvis Jones better be adding to his core and legs and legs this off season.

    The pick is reminding me a lot of Aaron Jones. Zero lower half.

    Maybe the Steelers could pay Harrison to train him.

  30. DJ says:

    . . . well, just the first set of legs, anyway. Where’s my coffee gone?

  31. hockeymonster says:

    Well I think we may be the only team in the history of hockey that would trade for HoF RW only to not play him there cuz of duper. Nothing against duper but it was obvious that at least occasionally he needed to play with sutter on 3rd line so iggy could play with sid. If billy g was able to keep up with him I think iggy would’ve made do…

    But that was then and this is now. Lets just hope we’ve learned from history.

  32. Wild Bill says:

    But if it were William, he could have saved himself the pain by calling himself Wild Bill.

    Although then, he’d have to deal with me.

  33. Dom says:

    Based on their lack of offseason pickups, they’ve been off all winter.

  34. Brandie says:

    That would be some fancy weapon…a football player with 4 legs. :)

  35. DJ says:

    After watching Iggy play, I grew to hate that particular trade because I thought he had so little left in the tank, combined with the fact he was misused.

    Will be interesting to see what he has left come playoff time. Let’s hope he’s not this year’s Jagr.

  36. Arriba Wilver says:

    Or, Sid wanting to keep the guy there he was comfortable with.

  37. BillyBaduka says:

    True and humble hasn’t been a trait that Harrison has exhibited.

    It’s a long shot, just trying to point out that Harrison may have more value than his on field contribution.

    If you saw the interview with Harrison on MNF last year, he became visibly choked up when talking about LeBeau. If anyone could convince James, it’s Dick LeBeau.

  38. Brandie says:

    I can hear your knuckles cracking now!

  39. d says:

    You know, I hope Letang, Neal, Paper Mache Beau Bennett, Martin, and whomever else is currently injured bring ‘em all back! Yeah, let them all play and you know what else…it won’t matter! They will still lose against any number 8 or 7 seed that had to fight to make the playoffs. This Pens team from Mario, Ron, THE GREAT, ALL IN Ray Shero, Disco Dani, Sid, Geno, all the way down line feels as though they are entitled. Why, I have no idea. They whine constantly on the ice. Hey Sid, here’s an idea…shut up and play some hockey! Let your stick do all of your talking. And please “homers” don’t bring up the injuries again. Last time I checked every other NHL team was dealing with injuries as well. And, gasp, some of the teams had their star players go down. Until this team realizes that Stanley Cups are not awarded on paper and you actually have to play the games and earn it we can expect more first, second, and occasionally third round exits.

  40. BillyBaduka says:

    I think there is a rule against centaurs.

  41. Wild Bill says:

    Don’t know if any of you still follow this or care, but I was amused to see the NCAA has responded to the Paterno family lawsuit against the NCAA (and nominally PSU) over the consent decree of sanctions by claiming that Joe Paterno was not and “involved individual” in the sanctions, due to the fact that he was dead when the sanctions were issued.

    The NCAA stripped him of victories, and most of his staff has never been able to coach again, but because he died before they did it to him, they say he’s not an “involved individual”. Lawyers never cease to amaze me.

    I still can’t wait for the trial of Spanier and Schultz, although they’ll probably try to pin blame on Paterno to save their own butts.

  42. Brandie says:

    Dick LeBeau has forgotten more about defense than I could ever learn.

  43. Brandie says:

    Guess that’s why A-Rod never played football.

  44. Brandie says:

    Personally I never like Graham Spanier. He always seemed pre processed, pre packaged, and slicker than CRAP through a goose to me!

  45. DJ says:

    There was certainly a little disconnect between those two, although that may have simply been Iggy out of his comfort zone at LW.

    The funny thing is that HM is right that Sid got along just fine with Billy Guerin who was not a speed merchant either. The difference to me is that Guerin’s compete level was much higher. I didn’t see enough of that from Iginla.

  46. NMR says:

    Are we sure “talent” is he correct term?

  47. Sarah says:

    Or, you know, just dumb.

  48. DJ says:

    Good one, BB.

  49. Wild Bill says:

    The whole relationship between the President and the Board was way too cozy. There is pending legislation to change the PSU Board of Trustees structure and while not perfect, it’s a very good start.

  50. Arriba Wilver says:

    Bill, there ain’t no way they can save their butts by blaming Paterno. They blame Paterno they seal their fates. Don’t see any way around it.

  51. Sarah says:

    Re Kris Letang.
    Hold the phone.
    DK – so the Drs are uncertain the cause?
    So we have an idiopathic STROKE? And we are even considering letting the athlete back on the ice not knowing what caused it or how to prevent another (possibly debilitating or even fatal) recurrence?

    Really?

  52. James Neal hinted yesterday that he might be able to get back on the ice tonight when the Pens play Dallas since his concussion wasn’t as bad this time as it’d been last season. Meanwhile, Chris Letang hopes he can be back on the ice later this season. Beau Bennett should be back later this week and Kunitz will be back tonight after his leg injury.

  53. Arriba Wilver says:

    All I’m suggesting is it may have not been solely on Disco overthinking. It does make you wonder about the communication between Shero, Disco and Sid, though.

  54. Wild Bill says:

    I so expect them to say that Joe told them far less about what McQueary reported than what Joe said he told them, AW. But your point is accurate in that if Joe told them anything, it was incumbent upon them to respond thoroughly and they didn’t. I don’t know if they’d dare to say he told them nothing – never informed them.

  55. Sarah says:

    And I beleive he got along rather well w Iggy in the Olympics.
    Iginla going to the very team that humiliated us in the playoffs and on track to score 30+ goals on RIGHT WING is just simply an indictment of Bylsma’s ability to use personnel properly.

    It’s not that complicated.

  56. d says:

    Funny how the “concussion” got better after the Philly series safely passed…just sayin.

  57. And Chris Letang has also said that it seems that everyone else worries about him more than he worries about himself, but then, that’s a hockey player for you.

  58. Jim S. says:

    He can’t play any more.

  59. d says:

    If the doctors say he is ok and he wants to play then let him continue on with his profession. Letang is a big boy and he can make big boy decisions. Personally, I think the Pens are a better team without this years version of him though.

  60. DJ says:

    On Dan’s overthinking it, I might agree with you if it were only an isolated instance.

    However, there are just too many examples to list with Dan.

  61. Jim S. says:

    But, that is part of Joey Porter’s job. I think Joey prepared, stayed in shape, and worked as hard as anyone.

  62. Sarah says:

    We just got done putting Engo on the PP.
    I have little faith that anyone is learning from anything.
    Especially not Bylsma, from history.

  63. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think if one of the troika breaks they all go down. They have to stick together. And at least one of them has admitted they talked to McQueary (sp) after Joe’s phone call if memory serves. At least that’s my take from the cheap seats.

    I just can’t see any way there is any upside to them in blaming the football coach.

  64. Jim S. says:

    Coffee obviously (Thanks, Coach Tomlin) went to your legs … and legs, DJ! :-)

  65. Dom says:

    What about former DE Teddy Behr?

  66. Sarah says:

    Actually patients are pretty much the last person you want making a decision like this.
    Peverley wanted to go back in the game after his heart stopped and he was clinically dead.

  67. Sarah says:

    Say what you mean.
    Neal’s a pansy, yeah?

  68. Jim S. says:

    Bill Almon, Brandie! I love it.

  69. Jim S. says:

    Was that actually somebody’s name, Dom? If so, that’s great.

  70. AJS says:

    The big club is sstill droning on about Sanchez’s throwing? We had this debate lat year. How bad does his throwing have to be to be any worse than say, Barajas? Can he not even get it back to the pitcher?

    Maybe there are still kinks and the concern is legitimate, but I really feel like the Pirates brass is just stubborn. Sanchez went through a case of the yips. Haven’t seen it once while playing for the big club.

    Another example that comes to mind is Lambo. Heck with the spring he was having maybe they weren’t just being stubborn last year and new better than all of us. But with the right field mess they had last year i sure felt like Lambo should have earned at least a cup of coffee a lot earlier than he did.

    But every argument has two sides. As a counter to the stubborn argument I present Jonathan Sanchez(that was his name right? Last years pitching flop?) Didn’t take long for him to get the boot last year. One can only hop the leash is as short for Volquez this year.

  71. Jim S. says:

    Plus, isn’t there an email trail?

  72. Milo Hamilton says:

    The reason Chris Stewart was acquired in the first place is that the Pirates don’t think Tony Sanchez can cut it defensively at the major league level. Which is interesting considering when they drafted him out of Boston College back in 2009, they pronounced him major league ready defensively but he needed work on his hitting. Now 5 years later, he can’t throw but looks like he has a good bat. Nice scouting.

  73. Jim S. says:

    That’s a strong inference, d.

  74. Brandie says:

    The good thing about the name Bill and my nickname obsession is there are so many directions to take it. That being said…

    Good morning Jim Morrison (Rock Star or former Bucco…take your pick.)

  75. Arriba Wilver says:

    Well, then I guess there’s not any point in even raising a question about it. My apologies for interfering with the narrative.

  76. Sarah says:

    Possibly Letang is in a teensy bit of denial. Quite common for a patient especially an elite athlete.

  77. Jim S. says:

    They could put him at 2b at some point. That seems to be what happens to Pirates catching prospects sometimes. Might need a stopover at 3b first, though.

  78. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m not sure you can scout the yips. But it’s probably “not complicated.” ;-)

  79. d says:

    Trust me, I seriously doubt Kris Letang will do anything that is going to jeopardize him from collecting a penny of that $7.25 mill/year contract he signed!

  80. Jim S. says:

    I’ll go with the Jim Morrison I went to school with. Last I heard, he was doing well in pharmaceutical sales. ;-)

  81. Nate83 says:

    I think you answered your own question. I personally think they like him as their everyday 2015 catcher. I also think they don’t think he would have gotten enough work this year as the backup to Martin to help with the progression of being that everyday catcher in 2015. The Stewart signing was the base case scenario for all involved. If they can’t find somebody they are comfortable with I think they are comfortable with Sanchez and will use him. It may not be what’s best for him but he can adequately handle the role.

  82. d says:

    Call em like I see em, Jim

  83. Jim S. says:

    And, I should add, I always thought Bill Almon was a … joy … to have around.

  84. Dom says:

    Nah. Just me acting like a doofus.

  85. Jandy says:

    haha good job, Dom!

  86. Jandy says:

    obviously.

  87. Jim S. says:

    hockeymonster:

    Putin with a dog?

    You’ve outdone yourself.

  88. Sarah says:

    Actually you didn’t call’em at all.
    You made a nasty little insinuation and then walked away.

  89. Milo Hamilton says:

    Point is that they think the 4th overall pick out of college needs a 6th year in the minor leagues. A pick that was universally panned at the time and was made on the basis of signability.

  90. Jim S. says:

    Ok. I never saw Neal as a wimp, but I appreciate your take on it.

  91. AJS says:

    I laughed out loud at this. Can I add Neil Walkr rotting in Indy while that Japaneese dude got paid millions and millions of dollars to do nothing to me list of examples of stubborness?

  92. Jandy says:

    I don’t :D

  93. Jim S. says:

    You had me going, Dom.

  94. Sarah says:

    I don’t either.
    Say what you mean and own it.
    In hockey parlance, grow a pair.

  95. chethejet1 says:

    What would you want Letang to do? He wants to play and continue his career. He also has a pending 7.5 million reasons to do so. I certainly hope he does regain that form that he played at two years ago.

  96. Sarah says:

    Nor was Peverly.
    Put me in Coach!

  97. Jim S. says:

    You are spot on about the fact that the consensus at the time seemed to be the guy could play defense, but probably not hit much.

  98. Arriba Wilver says:

    I know. But you were blaming the scouting, I thought. I’m NOT, and have never been, a proponent of the signing. And just to be clear, I never lauded it, either. (For you, bpn).

  99. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yep.

  100. Brandie says:

    Well….Sometimes you feel like a nut…

  101. hockeymonster says:

    You’re welcome :)

  102. Sarah says:

    Chet it is sure a tough decision.
    I hate to think concerns about money trump health (I’m sure Letang has plenty already ) but athletes are not rational in this regard so I hope family and loved ones counsel him firmly.

    But really if the Drs are not certain the cause (compare to say Teddy Bruschi who had a similar thing,got his heart repaired, and went back and played full steam I think 8 months later), then going back to play with no repair and no certainty the cause is a whole different thing. I hope Letang reconsiders.

  103. Brandie says:

    Hockey Monster’s “Putin” On The Dog!

  104. Milo Hamilton says:

    I just think it’s time to throw him in the water & see if he can swim or not. It’s seems like the natural progression to me, serving a year as understudy. But they know better, they’re the ones that prioritized a backup catcher over a starting first baseman. So Tony must really stink in their eyes. I don’t know, I think Jim might be on to something with the Walker comparison.

  105. NMR says:

    Hahaha…

  106. NMR says:

    Oh come on now.

  107. Sarah says:

    BTW anybody catch Bylsma’s on ice interview Sunday, calling the Pens a “grinding team”?….
    NBC announcers were negative I heard.
    The Olympics has changed our Disco’s rep w the natl media I think.

  108. Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon says the Panthers must play tomorrow afternoon like they have a chip on their shoulder, and here’s hoping they’ll beat Colorado.

  109. Damon says:

    Three interesting tweets by Rob Biertempfel:

    #Pirates shopping RF Jose Tabata. Will be interesting to see if there are any takers with three years, $12.25M left on contract.

    It’s looking like RHP Vin Mazzaro (out of options) will be odd man out of bullpen, so #Pirates are willing to listen to offers.

    I’ve also heard Travis Snider could be available. #Pirates front office still likes Snider, but Polanco was very impressive this spring.

  110. NMR says:

    You didn’t pay much attention to Pirate minor leaguers back then, did you?

  111. Poole says:

    Just wanted to throw out a comment on Beau Bennett. I think its way too early to label this kid as injury prone. Now, whether or not he will ever become a bonfide 1st line RW remains to be seen. But in listening to his interview yesterday, the first wrist injury, he got stepped on by a skate. The second wrist injury seemed to be a little fluky as well. It’s not like hes Lamar Woodley pulling hamstrings every year. Time will tell, but let’s hold off on the “brittle” tag for a little while.

  112. JohninOshkosh says:

    I completely agree with Milo. Six years since college! Arn’t college players drafted because their learning curve is shorter that high schoolers ? They’ve also played more games at a higher level. Theory is less time in the minor leagues. Right ?

    Now, you’re signing people to cover his spot and won’t bring him up when the signee is hurt ? SIX YEARS!

    My guess, stinks.

  113. hockeymonster says:

    Maybe this avatar will cheer up geno…last one didn’t do the trick.

  114. Brandie says:

    As far as finally making some off season moves…better late than never?

  115. NMR says:

    Legally, I think you’re absolutely right. Doesn’t mean they won’t try, but I can’t see how admitting to the act but blaming Grandpa Joe works in the court of law.

  116. JAL says:

    Everything I have read said they wanted Sanchez to play regularly at Indy instead of sitting on the bench in Pittsburgh so he would better prepared to take over the top spot in Pittsburgh next season when martin is likely to be gone,

  117. Brandie says:

    And now…Hockey Monster brings you “the cuddly side” of Vladimir Putin, b!$ches!

  118. Naturally, the reason why those four Pens players are trying to get back on the ice is because of the post Olympics slump they’ve been going through lately while Boston has won 9 straight and is leading the division.

  119. Arriba Wilver says:

    It would be very ironic if we ended up having to pay some of Tabata’s universally thought of originally as a “team friendly” contract to trade him. And there are certainly more colorful terms than ironic. ;-)

  120. Poole says:

    In my opinion, Dan’s still stubborn enough to think we have the personnel to be a grinding, checking team. We need to play to our strengths and our makeup is that we are a speedy, puck possession, SKILLED team.

    I really agreed with the one article Joe Starkey wrote recently. The success or failure of this team will be attributed to Sid and Geno rising to the occasion. That’s the way this team is built. Depth is important. Goaltending will also be important. But what REALLY matters is that we are a top heavy team with the two best players in the world and if they play up to their potential in the postseason, we can beat anyone. Period.

  121. NMR says:

    Except that this issue, if it is one, isn’t mechanical. It’s mental.

  122. Damon says:

    Looks that way. Lets just hope they get MLB talent back in these supposed trades….if all three were moved, that would be three spots of the roster that need to be filled. Still not sure they’d bring Polanco back up to start the season.

  123. 21sthebest says:

    The first first baseman selected in 2009 was the 51st pick who is still in the minors.

  124. Brandie says:

    Bass ackwards?

  125. Brandie says:

    Vladimir Putin says…”I’M CUDDLE!”

  126. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yep. Plus, 2 broken jaws. As I said, I’m not justifying the pick, the FO or anything else, but it is more complicated than the number of years he’s been around. And he may still stink.

  127. Milo Hamilton says:

    Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.

  128. Milo Hamilton says:

    I was talking about this past off season.

  129. Mizery says:

    The Pirates have some decisions to make with the roster, and although their team has a ton more talent than even 5 years ago, doesn’t it always seem like the decisions comes down to who is the least suckiest? I don’t care who they bring up north with them because their bench isn’t that impressive to me anyway.

    Glad to see Letang skating but still cannot believe he is out there without any answers to what May have caused his stroke. That is scary to me.

    I said I would not pick PITT to win any games in the tournament this year and then they draw Colorado. Not that they still won’t lose, but is live in Denver and all my buddies went to CU. Pride prohibits me picking against Pitt…….. This time!!!

  130. Damon says:

    I’m starting to think Bylsma is getting confused – he wants a high scoring offensive team (pleasing Mario and the O-talent they have) that is also grinding that also plays the LW lock that also has a fast break out with stretch passes that also plays sound defense that also wins games 2-1. He’s trying to coach team utopia…

  131. Arriba Wilver says:

    I always had the picture in my mind of Frank, Neal and Kyle Stark laughing and patting each other on the back that they had a coup with the signing “at their price.” Smartest guys in the room.

  132. NMR says:

    Emphatically agreed (what the h*ll?!).

  133. Damon says:

    Or anything else.

  134. JohninOshkosh says:

    Well, then, how much effort was put into scouting his background? Other than Googling his name to find out if he as an arrest record ? Do they talk to his school, his friends, his frat brothers if he was in a frat, talk to people who hung out with him, bartenders , landlords ? If a kid is immature or a drinker or a troublemaker, that stuff can be found out fairly easily without a lot of expense and effort.

    If I’m making a big decision like a first round draft choice, and I have various choices from young athletes to choose from, then I damn well do my due diligence as to both his physical and mental abilities.

  135. hockeymonster says:

    :)

  136. Wild Bill says:

    That photo is an embarrassment to dogs everywhere.

  137. Wild Bill says:

    +++

  138. JohninOshkosh says:

    Listening to offers for Vin Mazzaro ?

    That’s rich.

    I manage a beer league softball team. He can pitch for me. I’ll give the Pirates a 12 pack of Schlitz in exchange.

  139. Arriba Wilver says:

    I really wasn’t trying to cause a fight over this. I go back to my original comment that I don’t know you can scout the yips. Tom Watson, one of the premier golfers of his time, got the yips putting. And, one of the broken jaws was on the field of play.

    And, just to be clear, my impression is the concern over his defense is related to the yips or at least the remnants of the yips. I may be totally wrong on that. And I don’t think it became a problem until after his broken jaw on the field. (No idea if there is a connection).

  140. Brandie says:

    Good Morning Everyone!

  141. JohninOshkosh says:

    I’m not fighting, AW. And, if he has the yips, he has the yips. Still, seems like some lackluster scouting to me.

  142. Sarah says:

    Mistress B!!

  143. Milo Hamilton says:

    “And one of the broken jaws was on the field of play.”

    Now there’s a line you don’t see everyday. Awesome Wilver. I wasn’t trying to start anything either.

  144. Brandie says:

    Sarahpova! Judging from the posts, Letang’s health, Neal’s femininity, and the overall lack of team grit (besides baseball and some football talk) seem to be the dominant topics. Would that be accurate?

  145. Sarah says:

    I guess I am also really confused about the identity of this team.
    Even with Sid n Geno we just don’t have a lot of skill. Goc and Stemp have helped but for the most part our bottom 6 is awful, and we only have 2 quality Ws….and Kuni will be 35 next yr. Not much skill, and often the speed guys (Megna, Vitale) get benched in favor of very slow guys like Adams.
    Also the skill guys like Despres get benched for imaginary transgressions in favor of lunks like Engo who wind up on the PP and give up GWs.

    I guess that leaves Grinders like Gladams who get regular TOI despite being liabilities most of the time.

    I hate armchair psych but Bylsma really plays faves with the grinders similar to what he was as a player. Low skill/high effort guys.

    Meanwhile we have two generational talents and should be building the WHOLE team around them, and after 6 yrs RS still has not found proper complimentary wingers for them, whilst extending Adams, Orpik, Duper, signing Scuderi and giving the farm to Letang.

    While Gladams have to fill in on 1st line.

    It’s really stunning actually.

  146. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought it was more baseball-like than “both broken jaws didn’t happen in bar fights.”

    :-D

  147. Sarah says:

    Agree. Both injuries a bit odd and certainly not conditioning related.
    Let’s see how he holds up when he gets back.
    Fingers crossed!

  148. NMR says:

    What in the hell does immaturity have to do with the yips?

  149. Sarah says:

    I hesitate to use the term femininity in the negative! But generally, yes!…..

  150. hockeymonster says:

    Looks like things are about to get real geo-politically so trying to get on boot scootin pootin good side :)

  151. Wild Bill says:

    Madam Muppet the Moniker Mistress, a good Morning to you as well!

  152. JohninOshkosh says:

    Nothing,NMR. Then again, maybe it does. I don’t know the psychology of the yips. I was just granting AW his point. Prior to the yips he had problems. You don’t get broken jaws in bars being mature. So, I stand by it, yips or not, poor, at the very least incomplete, scouting.

  153. hockeymonster says:

    Come on guys, can we save the negativity for now…maybe wait till AFTER the playoffs?!?! No maatta our playoff history EVERY team in the league would trade places with us in a heartbeat…or in the amount of time it takes dejan to drink a cup o joe :)

    I think you guys know that when there’s reason to criticize I’m first in line to point out what wrong BUT for now, all things considered, things aren’t bad at all…actually things are quite good so don’t understand the panic and negativity. Lets try to stay positive, especially when there’s no reason for panic or negativity.

    And all in all, considering what our goal is, I’m sure you guys know that there’s only one team and one group of people that will happy after their last game. So being prematurely negative is nothing more than creating a self fulfilling prophecy of failure for no reason whatsoever.

    Deep breathe everyone…

  154. Brandie says:

    Throw in a case of the horrible abomination that mixed Bud Light, Clamato Juice and lime (see Chelada) and you have got yourself a deal my friend.

  155. Thundercrack says:

    I think Sanchez is the type of player that would be much more consistent when he is getting regular playing time. 5-6 times per week. Regular at bats, and regular throwing, blocking, game calling, etc…

    If he plays once or twice a week it is too inconsistent and his play will also be inconsistent.
    Some backups can adapt to that type of playing schedule.

    When I did golf, I was a lot better when I was practicing and playing regularly. When I started to play less frequently (along with less trips to the driving range) I stunk. Still sink. Don’t play anymore.

  156. Wild Bill says:

    …… and beat Dallas tonight.

  157. Brandie says:

    It was a better way to put it than what was being suggested earlier.

  158. Sarah says:

    Hah! Indeed…

  159. Wild Bill says:

    Was trying to be funny, not mean, Hm.

  160. Andrew says:

    So the Penguins medical staff from UPMC, the university that developed and researched the IMPACT test for concussions has decided to be entirely cavalier and abandoned all protocols because of two losses to a cross state rival?

  161. Sarah says:

    I think there’s about 6 teams in the West that are very happy with what they’ve got.

  162. Andrew says:

    How many 8, 7 seeds have the Penguins lost too? One the Canadians in 2010. If you take Seabrook and Hjalmarsson off the Hawks, remove Sharp, Hossa, and Saad, they will keep humming along right?

  163. Milo Hamilton says:

    Don’t know if any of you saw this or not, but the Knicks have apparently hired Phil Jackson.

  164. hockeymonster says:

    Well yes, I know I was exaggerating a little bit but my point still stands.

  165. hockeymonster says:

    That’s been his dream job for a looong time. Carmelo should start looking for a real estate agent…

  166. Brandie says:

    Just rubbing it in the face of the Lakers Mai-loe!

  167. Brandie says:

    Or a real job!

  168. Andrew says:

    There are certainly arguments to be made against Bylsma, why does Pyatt continue to play? However, despite playing Iginla out of position the production is the same.

    2012-13 Calgary:Goals/game 0.29, Points/game 0.71
    2012-13 Pittsburgh: Goals/game 0.38, Points/game 0.85, add in playoff games 0.32, 0.82, respectively
    2013-14 Boston: Goals/game 0.37, Points/game 0.81

    Not sure how that shows Julien is a genius.

  169. Andrew says:

    Sanchez lost half of the 2010 season because of a broken jaw, then struggled in 2011 because he couldn’t regain weight. H had his jaw broken in 2012 in a bar fight repeating the process. I think that explains the development time. Additionally the Pirates used eight catcher in 2011, so I think they understand the need for a backup and you aren’t not getting a left handed hitting 1st basemen for $1 million.

  170. Thundercrack says:

    Hasn’t this story about Jackson & The Knicks been in the news for a while? They started recruiting him over a week ago (maybe 2) and he accepted a few days ago

  171. Andrew says:

    Sorry, should have read further down.

  172. Andrew says:

    I think those six Western teams would gladly come to the Eastern conference.

  173. Sarah says:

    And we are VERY happy to sat East!

  174. Sarah says:

    ER STAY East!

  175. bpn8pitt says:

    Be stunned if he succeeds, unless he can convince Lebron to go to NY.

  176. bpn8pitt says:

    Agree, that is kinda funny Wilver.

  177. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah, I was trying a little sarcasm there. Obviously failed sarcasm.

  178. hockeymonster says:

    Actually what’s interesting is that Detroit has been trying to get into the east for years and now they might be out of the playoffs. And any team other than Chicago and maybe Anaheim would like nothing more than to have sid n geno signed for 18.2M for years to come.

  179. hockeymonster says:

    You speak fluent sarcasm mye-lough? Who knew…

  180. hockeymonster says:

    Oh I know…..you succeeded :)

  181. Thundercrack says:

    WOW. Jesse Chavez is being considered for a spot in the A’s starting rotation.

    I’ll light a candle. He is probably doing the same.

  182. Jandy says:

    From the Pens’ website:

    MORNING SKATE INFO
    All the Pens healthy players were back on the ice, including Olympians Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Jussi Jokinen, Brooks Orpik and Olli Maatta who were all given a maintenance day on Monday.

    Chris Kunitz and James Neal both took their normal line rushes at the morning skate and worked with the top power play unit, a good sign that they may return to the lineup after a two-game absent each.

    Here is the rest of the workflow…

    Kunitz-Crosby-Stempniak
    Jokinen-Malkin-Neal
    Pyatt/Megna-Sutter-Adams
    Glass-Goc-Gibbons (3G line)

    The defensemen rotated. Letang did take some rushes with Engelland, though that’s no indication that he’ll play. More likely that Engelland may not be in the lineup.

    PP1: Malkin, Niskanen on top. Neal, Crosby, Kunitz up front.
    PP2: Despres, Maatta on top. Jokinen, Sutter, Stempniak

  183. hockeymonster says:

    Despres back in? So engo falling on PP wasn’t despres’ fault too? :)

  184. Arriba Wilver says:

    I KNEW we should have never traded him for Aki. ;-)

    Note to Jandy—I’ve been told he has really nice hair.

  185. Sarah says:

    Yes, no doubt any one would love our best players! Would they trade places with this team as currently coached and configured? Not likely for the top bunch out West…..

  186. Thundercrack says:

    I was trying to think who we traded him for.

    Thanks for reminding me

  187. Jandy says:

    :shrugs:

  188. Damon says:

    Adams on the 3rd line? Pyatt needs to sit. I guess Vitale is out which is OK with me too.

  189. Sarah says:

    Lol!!!

  190. Jandy says:

    ehh..no he does NOT lol

  191. hockeymonster says:

    Disco can do as he pleases as long as megna doesn’t take pyatt’s spot…anything but that…

  192. Jandy says:

    Additional update:

    Head coach Dan Bylsma gave an update on the Pens’ lineup tonight and injury situation… •Neal and Kunitz need to be cleared by doctors before a decision can be made on their status
    •Lineup will be a game-time decision
    •Zatkoff will start

  193. NMR says:

    @Oshkosh

    So you’re saying baseball teams should not draft 18-22 yo males who may potentially end up in a bar fight?

    Good luck drafting from 5% of the male population!

  194. NMR says:

    I also don’t think getting maybe one start a week is exactly a “sink or swim” situation. Plenty of guys have been fine backups and yet made awful full time starters.

  195. Bizrow says:

    The FAN just reported that Neal and Kuny need Dr clearance to play

  196. Sarah says:

    Adams on third line and Vitale out.
    Our coach is an idiot.
    Third line for the statistically worst player in the NHL.
    Bylsma is unhinged Peeps. Unhinged.

  197. hockeymonster says:

    Interesting breakdown, even with minimal sample size here. But still seemed like he wasn’t comfortable on his off side. I think his production holding up had more to do with our centers being able to boost numbers for wingers. Which obviously makes you wonder how he would’ve done on RW.

  198. hockeymonster says:

    Obviously…

  199. JohninOshkosh says:

    Touche, my friend.

  200. theplanisworking says:

    Sarah,

    it is another case of square peg, round hole. :)

  201. theplanisworking says:

    Chris Stewart might be done for the year for the Pirates.
    When notified of this, Pens coach Dan Bylsma responded ” Despres is now benched for tonight’s game”.

  202. theplanisworking says:

    I am glad to see the coaches/managers of all the Pittsburgh sports teams get along so well. This isnt like NY, or Philthy, where I am not sure they even know each other.

    I just wonder if Hurdle and Tomlin compared notes about staying out of the baseline/sideline. ?? ;)

  203. theplanisworking says:

    Nice to see the talk above about Tony Sanchez, and whether he is ready or not after 5 years in the minors. With the 4th pick, you would have thought the Pirates could have found someone else with “signability”, who might actually have progressed a bit more? Like maybe a 1B ??

    Nah. Never mind.

  204. hockeymonster says:

    HA!

  205. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sorry, I was mixing him up with his Pirate teammate, Virgil Vasquez.

  206. Wild Bill says:

    Now’s our time to suffer the insufferable crowing of the Flyers’ crowd. Al Morganti on Philly.com speaks of voices coming from “the undeveloped part of the state” about Penguin injuries having an effect on the recent games.

    He does go on, however to note that Dan Bylsma has problems planning for teams with truly physical styles like the Bruins and Flyers. That comment bit a little.

    Lord, I hate to lose to the Flyers.

  207. 21sthebest says:

    The first first baseman selected in 2009 was the 51st pick who is still in the minors.

  208. Milo Hamilton says:

    Looks like Ike Davis is officially back on the market.

  209. NMR says:

    Now we’re saying the Pirates should’ve foreseen their need for a 1B five years in advance?

    This is getting nuts.

    Forget spring training, blog is in mid-August form.

  210. Milo Hamilton says:

    If you’re looking for a perpetually injured, perpetually under performing first baseman, we’ve got your guy. Cheap.

  211. NMR says:

    Hahaha, beautiful. But he’s left handed!

  212. Jandy says:

    Ahhh…don’t let it happen again…

    ;)

  213. Milo Hamilton says:

    Sold ! :)

  214. theplanisworking says:

    No, you are now reaching, and YOU are in mid-August form.

    An organization should always try to fill needs whenever possible. 1B has been a need for a long time. Unless you are saying that LaRoche, Clement, and Jones were the 1B of the future, and were going to be around 8-10 years. In 2009, the Pirates knew they weren’t keeping LaRoche, and by giving scholarship to Clement the next year, knew they had NOTHING at the position.

    But, since you just want to discredit others opinions today, I wish you all a great one. The sun is shining, and I for one will take advantage of that. I don’t need to see 5 years down the road to know the sun is glorious.

    VIVA LE REGIME !!!!!

  215. 21sthebest says:

    Catching was a need too.

  216. Jandy says:

    Oh, it’s catching, all right.

  217. It will be interesting to see just what Phil Jackson will accomplish as the Knicks’ President, considering that people are trying to figure out exactly why they hired him in the first place.

  218. 21sthebest says:

    I don’t know what that means Jandy.

  219. NMR says:

    How is this not incredibly obvious?

  220. Nate83 says:

    Hardly nobody is actually drafted to be a first baseman. It’s usually someone like Pedro that starts as a prospect at another position then eventually becomes a first baseman. Elite high school players and college players are not wasting away at first base on those teams. It’s not unlike college football defensive backs that are often High School QB’s.

  221. Jandy says:

    What that means is that the mood on this blog is terrible. The denigrating and downright nasty posts are really p*ssing me off. if you hadn’t noticed, I really haven’t posted much today. That is why.
    Why must people be so da*m negative and insulting every da*m day????!!!!!

  222. Jandy says:

    I’m basically a good-natured and optimistic person. But man this blog is bringing me down today.

  223. Thundercrack says:

    If there was a first baseman available at the 4th pick I doubt there was signability.

  224. Patrick(RI) says:

    I think Pitt got lucky with this seeding. Colorado not the same since their top scorer went down.

  225. Arriba Wilver says:

    I don’t think James would need any convincing from LeBeau. But why would you want him back? He showed in Cincy he didn’t have that one good year left like Porter and a couple others. And he’s a year older. And from the stuff I read after he left it wasn’t like he was a locker room guy. He’s closer to Greg Lloyd than James Farrior or even [B]arry Foote.

  226. JohninOshkosh says:

    Milo, Jandy said no more negative and nasty posts today!

  227. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Yankees/Red Sox game is being delayed due to a swarm of bees in left field. ESPN will stop at nothing to promote this rivalry. Even in March.

  228. JohninOshkosh says:

    There ‘s an interesting rumor floating around Iowa. It seems the NCAA men’s selection committee was debating about Iowa vs BYU in terms of who goes where. The Hawkeyes were stuck with the play in game with Tennessee, so the rumor goes, because BYU will not play games on Sunday. So, they inserted the Cougars in a Thursday/Saturday line and forced the Hawkeyes to play a very decent Tennessee team in the play-in game.

    Interesting if Pitt might have found themselves in this rumor had they not won the Wake Forest game last week.

  229. Jandy says:

    :sigh:

  230. Milo Hamilton says:

    See John, you tried to sucker me in there but I steered clear.

  231. NMR says:

    Get Brandie engage in a conversation, Jandy. I find it impossible to feel down when reading her!

  232. Arriba Wilver says:

    +++

  233. Jandy says:

    She’s the sweetest, NMR, that’s for sure :)

  234. JohninOshkosh says:

    Oh, Jandy. I meant posting that Ike Davis is available is nasty and negative. Poorly executed joke.

  235. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was joking when I mentioned Chavez. I even used a smiley. :-D

  236. JohninOshkosh says:

    Just for Jandy:

    1. I bought seed and what not for my yard and garden today.

    2. I tuned up my lawnmower and sharpen the blades yesterday.

    3. Winter officially ends Thursday with the vernal equinox.

    4. Baseball officially starts this weekend.

    Your car swaps arn’t far behind.

  237. Jandy says:

    I know, Oshie, I’m just having an incredibly bad day, and all the negativity is getting to me.
    Shame on me :/

  238. Jandy says:

    :D Thanks for the lift-me-up, Oshie
    :*

  239. buggee says:

    Wild Billy Whimper?

  240. 21sthebest says:

    “2. I tuned up my lawnmower and sharpen the blades yesterday.”

    I did as well over the weekend.

    Okay, I took it to the guy to have that done. I like my fingers right where they are.

  241. Milo Hamilton says:

    I put my snow shovel in an easy to reach area for the Monday/Tuesday time period next week.

  242. Jandy says:

    I’m NOT saying it ;X

  243. 21sthebest says:

    Mine are still in the garage. But I looked at them, and I took them down to the basement this time of year a couple of years ago. And once again, I apologize.

  244. buggee says:

    Which is better than a snail trail

  245. Thundercrack says:

    I am leaving for Florida tomorrow!!! And I don’t care who this post may offend.

    :-)

  246. Jandy says:

    pffffftt!! :P :P :P

  247. Brandie says:

    Good afternoon Jandy, Evers-to-Tinkers-to-Plance, NMR (Need More Ruutu), Jim Brown, and everyone on this whole dang blog!

  248. Brandie says:

    I oughta have you banned out right! :)

  249. Jandy says:

    WOOP WOOP!

  250. Jandy says:

    Afternoon, Sistah Bradecita. Almost time for me to go home. :)

  251. buggee says:

    I think the dog is horny

  252. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t forget your tape measure. I’ll bet they even have some digital device that you can tell from far away how tall someone is, like distance in golf.

  253. Jandy says:

    :snicker:

  254. Brandie says:

    Two worst words in the English Language.

  255. buggee says:

    We laughed at that. It was an insipid question and Disco Danny might have been doing the tongue-in-cheek thang

  256. buggee says:

    let me look through my archives for the recordings of that meeting. they’re usually pretty funneh

  257. Milo Hamilton says:

    Polanco = tall.

  258. Brandie says:

    Have the husband prep s bath and a glass of wine and a good meal for you. I know the blog has been a little draining today.

  259. NMR says:

    Preach it, girl (no offense, Lucky). Speak of life. Lift us up!

  260. Jandy says:

    UGH! Really bad today, along with a disgusting day here at work…I need to just shake it off :)

  261. Jandy says:

    Hear hear!

  262. Brandie says:

    Or you cansit through old 3 Stooges shorts for the same effect.

  263. Jandy says:

    LOL!

  264. Jandy says:

    Was that masses or *sses???

  265. Brandie says:

    Listen to Need More Ruutu! He is wise!

  266. AJS says:

    No, not really. But I do remember that poor Neil kept getting huffled around and that we were told that his glove still wasn’t good enough. Yet he has been a solid defensive second baseman since taking over for Aki. I definitely have gotten more into tracking some minor league guys since anging out with this lot though.

  267. JohninOshkosh says:

    My shovels hang above my mower. Both, to the ready.

    I was a boy scout. Be prepared!

  268. JohninOshkosh says:

    Safe travels, TC!

  269. buggee says:

    How does this include MOI??? I am the human version of a bright sunny day with shuttlecocks flipping back and forth across British and Cheng Zhou lawns.

  270. buggee says:

    with yipping shi tzeus chasing the shuttlecocks and gardenia blossoms centing the slightly nippy air with their heady scent!

  271. buggee says:

    I remember seeing the “athlete” smoking whilst on the bench. Hilarious. Remember Joe Starkey did a little song for Aki after he was released. Went to the tune of Davey Crockett.

    If ya cant laugh at that, yer either Aki Iwamura or ya got a shuttlecock where it aint supposed to be

  272. buggee says:

    JANDY!!!! How ya doin’ ya sweet lil thang?

  273. Arriba Wilver says:

    I almost hate to ask, but what has been different about the blog today? Seemed overall like a lot of robust debate. At least talking from the baseball side of things.

  274. Jandy says:

    Whatever you’re drinking, buggee, I’ll have three or four!

  275. Jandy says:

    Much better now!!

    :D

    :D

    :D

  276. Sarah says:

    Some very good stuff from Stan Savran today.

    Actually mentioned that SOME Pens vets get away with certain transgressions that OTHER rookies get Benched for!

    Heaven HELP us!! can that be true?????

  277. Jandy says:

    Overall it was horrible.

    But then, It could have just been me.

  278. Jandy says:

    Bench Geno NOW!

  279. Sarah says:

    Also Rossi was on, and wasn’t a total homer!
    Perhaps things are changing!

  280. Sarah says:

    Lol!!! Actually he was talking about Sid taking a stupid slash….and then later Vitale doing the same thing but getting benched/scratched….
    But it certainly holds true for Zhenya!

    Has the Olympic experience made the local media actually notice Bylsma and what is going on?

  281. Brandie says:

    Now Sarah. The bets have earned the right to be mediocre. Or is this the way to get rid of Disco? It has happened before.

  282. Arriba Wilver says:

    Still not following. How so? Examples?

  283. buggee says:

    I do happen to be an unpaid mixologist JandyDandy! Fer instance…

    2 shots of grape vodka (3 olives)
    1 shot of whipped vodka
    splash with gingerale
    fill the straw with bacardi 151.

    c-ya tomorrow as you lose count of all the shuttlecocks.

    ETCH IT b@tches

  284. buggee says:

    I was drafted as a first baseman but I was not signable so I then became a professional shuttlecock critic

  285. buggee says:

    awwww Jandy, how can we cheer yer little self up, eh? The FatHead of LEE-Tang-A-LICIOUS isn’t doin’ it for ya?

  286. Brandie says:

    Yes they are and finally for the better!

  287. Arriba Wilver says:

    My understanding is that Sid a couple of years ago would not talk to Rossi. I don’t know what ROSSI’s transgression was, but Rossi wasn’t very prominent for a time in the coverage. That was kind of the background of my earlier post questioning how much Bylsma had to do with the Iginla situation. Bylsma is an easy target. I think Sid gets a pass here in the City by the fans as well as the media. Mario, too. Not saying they’re bad, quite the contrary, but they don’t come under the same scrutiny that others do. Maybe there’s a good reason for that, I don’t know, but to not recognize it’s there is a mistake if you want to deal with reality IMHO.

  288. Jandy says:

    I’m fine. Then some want me to re-write the blog to cite “examples”
    Screw that! I’ll be down all over again!
    Sheesh!

  289. Sarah says:

    Hah you’re too right!! VETS rule!!!!!!

  290. Brandie says:

    Buggee…you make me feel naughty in a good way just reading your posts!

  291. Jandy says:

    That’s odd, I thought Sid talked to everyone.

  292. Jandy says:

    Everyone have a nice evening. I’m heading home. :)

  293. Arriba Wilver says:

    Surprised me, too.

  294. Thundercrack says:

    That would be awesome AW. But I am more of an old-time scout. I go by what my eyes tell me.

  295. Thundercrack says:

    I saw Stan Savran give a speech at a local function just last week. He mentioned that Sid is a really nice kid. Polite. Classy. I can’t remember how exactly Stan phrased it but he said that he’s never seen have/give a ‘crossed eye’ at anyone – especially to reporters. And that he gets asked a lot of stupid questions so he would have a lot of opportunities to give the dirty looks.

  296. buggee says:

    they really ARE different ya know, and yes, size DOES matter

  297. buggee says:

    is there really such a thang as naughty in a bad way (from the male perspective, that is)?
    I was just wonderin’

    So I’m rootin around like a pig digging for borscht through my archive of TBMTIB recordings and lo! I found the one of Neal and Frank (2-drink-minimum) Coonelly AFTER they pulled off the deal for Fat-ba-ta.

    Who was that useless pitcher that came with him from the Crankees? He was the centerpiece of the deal if I recall. He was a Harvard grad or something? Too bad he couldn’t figger aht how to pitch.

    Anyway I’ll share that conversation with y’all on the morrow (if it’s recognizeable. There was some water-damage due to me heaving the thing at the teevee during a pen/flyers broadcast.

    I really need indestructable electronics

  298. buggee says:

    Dude! That’s just WRONG!

  299. Arriba Wilver says:

    So, he heard about the Rossi situation, too? ;-)

    BTW, I have always been impressed by Sid, and even at an early age he was amazing with the way he handled himself. Unreal. But, I’m not making this Rossi situation up. Could I have early onset Alzheimer’s? Maybe, but I have a very distinct recollection of this Rossi thing.

    But all I’m suggesting is he may actually not be perfect.

  300. Arriba Wilver says:

    Everyone is anxiously awaiting your reports, I’m sure. Too bad you’re missing the boss. Maybe you’ll run into Christy.

  301. cmat0829 says:

    They really make the bracketing stuff sound WAY WAY WAY harder than it is. They could’ve easily forced BYU to play a First Four game TUESDAY and still get into a Thurs/Sat bracket. No reason whatsoever that one situation had to do with the other.

    I seriously doubt the ‘rumor’ that this was indeed the case. If it was, then the whole group of idiots on the committee should be embarrassed.

  302. cmat0829 says:

    Here’s my two cents:

    1) Tony Sanchez is going to be a decent, perhaps above average, major league catcher. His bat impressed me last year and I think he has good confidence calling a game.

    2) It’s been FIVE YEARS since the draft… seems to me that every possible argument, debate, blog-back-and-forth could and should’ve been had, packed and put away by now. Sanchez did not merit the pick at #4. Period. Do we all feel better now? Pretty sure Tony can’t go back and unpick himself, and repick himself in a more appropriate round, say 2-4?

    3) I think the plan was solid for Sanchez to play every day in Indy but now that Stewart is hurt, you adjust. At this point I’d be disappointed if they signed another backup catcher…let’s give Tony a shot. And here’s a thought… maybe, just maybe, Russell Martin dusts of the 1B- glove against some RHPs if Gaby continues to underwhelm…gives Sanchez more atbats and regular play, rests the knees of Martin and upgrades the offense at 1B.

    4) Anyone who thinks that signing Stewart in any way impeded the Pirates making any other offseason moves needs to explain that to me… Use numbers and real examples, please. And talk slow because I need to listen closely.

    I do think the blog sometimes bogs into a ‘political feel’… it does so when we bring back old arguments and arguments where we are better off just agreeing to disagree. Its the reason I avoid any blogs on political debates or issues, not much is gained by reading the posts and it’s exhausting. I prefer my blog time to be entertaining (and covering old ground is hardly that) and enlightening (and I can’t learn anything from old chestnuts).

    Thanks for listening.

  303. Thundercrack says:

    I think sometimes my wife wishes she could go back and unpick.

  304. Brandie says:

    Thank you cmat. I could not have responded any better. That is precisely why I ignore things that are just too charged.

  305. Brandie says:

    Aside to NMR…Thank you for the lovely compliment. You and Jandy made my day!

  306. Arriba Wilver says:

    So, what do you think about his Yips? Apparently the Pirates think it is still a problem. That’s current, if not new.

  307. Sarah says:

    Stan is also a class act. We used to play tennis at the same club and would chat. Really respect the guy and generally give much credence to what he says.

  308. theplanisworking says:

    So, if I am understanding you correctly, you can never learn from anything in the past, and by asking questions about things that happened in the past, that’s “exhausting”??

    If that is the case, we should destroy every history book known to man, and baseball should destroy all its’ records and statistics. After all, we can’t learn anything from the past, it’s exhausting, etc.

    At least I learned something tonight.

  309. theplanisworking says:

    And the blog strikes again………..

    This was supposed to go to cmat’s post, not AW’s………..

  310. Brandie says:

    That did not come out right. I am not aware of some of the blog history so some things I do not have a decent response for so, as not to be offensive, I do not respond.

  311. Arriba Wilver says:

    I knew that. ;-)

  312. theplanisworking says:

    Blog has been acting funny the past few days….. it doesn’t like my Chrome browser anymore, my posts keep ending up in a different place………….

    maybe this will help…………

    https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAyvVlxKQEfnYAM&w=398&h=208&url=http%3A%2F%2Faattp.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F03%2FUntitled-221-620×330.jpg&cfs=1

  313. Arriba Wilver says:

    Most respected sports guy in the Burgh in my view. I used to listen to him after Myron and became a fan. I don’t doubt Stan was telling the truth as he knows it.

    The way I read TC’s post, though, isn’t that he was asked about what I was talking about.

  314. d says:

    Sorry Sarah didn’t mean to “walk away” just have a life to live in the real world and not respond to disgruntled “homers” :) As for my remark, read between the lines you seem like a pretty smart gal :) Have a nice day staring at your computer screen.

  315. Arriba Wilver says:

    And for all I know he had good reason not to talk to Rossi, but Rossi is an excellent reporter in my view.

  316. d says:

    Sarah:

    I guess if you have an opinion you may state it…as long as it agrees with what you say. In real world parlance, WHATEVER :)

  317. d says:

    Paging “DR. SARAH to the ER”

  318. Jim S. says:

    Sometimes you don’t …

 
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