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Morning Java: On Hounds’ bankruptcy

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Morning, Lunatics …

>> The Friday column weighs the Penguins’ loss to the ‘heavy’ Kings.

Random bloggery from the scene: I’m going to say this now, only because he’s scored each of the past two games so it won’t look like I’m cherrypicking: There is nothing I like about Taylor Pyatt’s game as it relates to what the Penguins need from their third and fourth lines. … Anze Kopitar is the sun, the moon and the stars. Darryl Sutter had no business putting him into Sidney Crosby’s category yesterday, but that’s his player, so I get it. But Kopitar is special, one of those rare talents you can’t take your eyes off. … Olli Maatta needs a day off. … Next time you complain about any left-side defenseman getting torched — and that includes Maatta — do a double-take at the Penguins’ neutral-zone system. That’s all I’ll say on that for now. … If you’re keeping score at home on the Bench-Jussi meter, Craig Adams and Tanner Glass each took an ill-advised, non-defensive-zone penalty without being benched by Dan Bylsma. … The NHL’s officiating is … aw, you know. … I’d like to see the league watch video for acts of blatant embellishment, such as Jayson Megna’s embarrassing dive to draw an interference whistle. Suspend, fine or both. … Hang onto your Beau Bennett receipts. If he plays tonight in Columbus, he might break again.

Down goes Marcel Goc, by Rob Rossi in the game story.

Beau Bennett sounds imminent, by Chris Adamski.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Penguins page.

Here’s Kings news from the Los Angeles Times.

Here’s Blue Jackets news from the Columbus Dispatch.

Here are official game highlights on

>> Starling Marte signs his dealRob Biertempfel reports on the ramifications on his final day in Bradenton.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page.

Here’s Cubs news from the Chicago Tribune.

Here are official game highlights on

>> The Steelers eye LeGarrette Blount to team in the backfield with Le’Veon Bell, Alan Robinson reports.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Steelers page.

>> The Riverhounds file for bankruptcy protection, the result of going entirely private with financing of $10 million Highmark Stadium. Adam Smeltz reports.

All I’ll add here is that, in calls I made yesterday, I was assured up, down and sideways that this will have no impact whatsoever on the schedule or the team’s future. If anything, the financing of Highmark’s construction over a long period will actually strengthen that.

People who hate soccer will point to this as some kind of failure of the sport, but the facts won’t back that. The stadium was almost entirely filled last season and will be again this season. Moreover, the youth programs that help fund the Riverhounds’ overall operation are at record levels. Plain and simple, they were either going to build the stadium themselves or not have it built at all. You’d never convince a public entity in our region to help. So they tried to build it themselves and bit off more than they could chew. That’s it.

On that note, here’s the Trib’s Riverhounds season preview, by beat man Matt Grubba. It starts tomorrow in Orlando.

>> I’ll check in with TribLIVE Radio at 11:30 a.m. After that, we’ll have the weekly chat at noon, right here on the blog. As soon as you see the post go up, entries can be submitted.

>> Thank you, as always, for reading.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. AZBucsFan says:

    I have never seen a team with such bad luck concerning injuries. How ironic, then, that the one player many feared would be susceptible to injury–Crosby–has played in every game and will probably skate away with the MVP. Injuries are not usually a good excuse in any sport, but this is getting downright ridiculous.

  2. Amie Sinay says:

    Thank you for addressing the Riverhound’s bankruptcy that way. It was nothing short of a necessary (& brilliant) business move. The Hounds are on fire in this area!

  3. JoeyBats says:

    Not saying this is the right or wrong signing for the Steelers…but IF they sign LeGarrette Blount to backup LeVeon Bell in the backfield… might as well dust off this story from years ago…… ==>

    Guarantee….it will get replayed over & over again in the media here.

  4. Harrisburg Hal says:

    The optics of the Riverhounds’ bankrupcy filing won’t help Harrisburg, which last Friday unveiled plans to improve their stadium for the City Islanders who also play in the USL Pro league. When I say plans, they are currently in the money-raising phase. This won’t make it easier.

  5. JAL says:

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  6. JAL says:

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  7. JAL says:

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  8. Wild Bill says:

    And then, there’s the Sweet Sixteen. Except for Jim’s underrated Dayton Flyers (why’d they have to have that nickname?) , two number one seeds and a two advanced.

    The cream is starting to rise to the top?

  9. Brandie says:

    As long as it is not heavy cream.

  10. Wild Bill says:

    Ah, yes, last night’s game was a weighty matter, Brandie.

  11. Wild Bill says:

    Today’s obfuscation will be the Pens saying Goc has a “lower body injury”, while we could all see what happened to his ANKLE.

    Doesn’t take the CIA, the NSA, or even the Israelis to figure this one out.

  12. Wild Bill says:

    What’s all the sensitivity about what’s happening with the ‘Hounds’ finances? Anybody under 30 knows that soccer has a bright future almost everywhere, once set up correctly. No, I’m long over 30, but I talk to younger people from time to time.

  13. Dcpinpgh says:

    I only glanced at a page, but didn’t the Riverhounds stuff have an aspect of sex involved that people are leaving out?

  14. Brandie says:

    If it is a high ankle then it is a high lower body injury. If it is a mid ankle then it is a mid lower body injury.

  15. Wild Bill says:

    My last initial post celebrates that the last of the snow is finally gone from my yard this morning. Let the baseball season commence!

  16. Jandy says:

    I love young people. Even the ones that dress whacky. Most of them are just…having fun.

  17. Jandy says:


  18. Jandy says:

    Brandicita, are you ready for work on Monday??? :) :) :)

  19. d says:

    This is for all the “homers” who are going to use the Goc injury as yet another excuse for their beloved Pens continued downward spiral. Believe it or not hockey is a very dangerous sport! Yes, I know, its hard to believe. But hockey players use sticks and they have very sharp things attached to the bottom of their feet. And they play the game on a hard surface that is lined with equally unforgiving boards. That small, black, hard disc like thing they chase around and try to deposit in the net apparatus, is called a puck! That to can cause a great deal of damage and pain if it hits a human. And then there are the other players from the other team that are allowed to hit your prima donna players. So, you see homers hockey can be a very scary place. And once again, I know this is difficult for some of you to comprehend, but your Pens are NOT the only team to encounter injuries! You just like to make it seem like they do.

    And as for the poor officiating, the other excuse that seems to be favored by the homer, well I don’t hear you complain when the Pens get the calls????

    An anonymous source reported that Beau Bennett coughed and when he used his hand to cover his mouth, the force of the cough blew his other wrist out. Reports are that he will be out for the remainder of the year for the cough and most of next season for the wrist (sarcasm).

  20. Wild Bill says:

    Really?? What page did I miss?

  21. Jandy says:

    I really don’t find this humorous, d

  22. Jandy says:

    :scratching head:

  23. Brandie says:

    Oh Yes!!!!! 830 in the morning baby!!!’

  24. Jandy says:

    It’s raining today.
    I need sunshine!!! Brandie, come visit me ;)

  25. Jandy says:


  26. Wild Bill says:

    Having big fun this morning, are you, d? All I have to say is that the Pens got beat last night (again), And that most teams go through bad streaks. Bad teams don’t come out of them, and we will soon know what we have.

    How’s that mystery team of yours doing, by the way?

  27. AL says:

    Not that I’m happy with the final score, but I did see a lot of blue collar work ethic last night by the Pens.
    I especially liked the frantic effort right after the tying goal was disallowed to try and get it back right away. Best part of the game!
    It’s easy to sit back and constantly criticize everything but if this team can find a way to get motivated the whole game they can play with anybody….barring any further injuries.
    If they happen to read this blog, I would like to say I was pleased with the effort last night in coming back from a 2 goal deficit against a bigger, “heavier” team. All we needed was the PP to click and we would have won.

  28. d says:


    They lost 3-2 last night to a far superior LA team. Have been a life long Pens fan, but these last few years of the Disco Dani “era” have made me really dislike the product they have put on the ice.

  29. Brandie says:


    Injuries play with how you match lines and players being able to be together and know each other on a consistent basis. That being said…the Pens did not have to give up those power play goals and put themselves in a hole early in the contest. There have been players being lax and undisciplined in their play and that affects everyone. Couple that with a coach who seems to have given up…

    Listen, sarcasm aside, these points and many others have been made on this blog by others with more hockey knowledge than I for a while. Go back and read the posts. Not sure where the homerism is coming from.

  30. Wild Bill says:

    Ok, now I understand where you’re coming from. But really man, is all that snark really necessary? There are others here who don’t like some of what the Pens do.

  31. Brandie says:

    Remember it is the rain that is going to make those pretty flowers grow Jandy-Rose! You taught me that. Some day we are going to have to meet.

  32. Jandy says:

    That was my point as well.

  33. Brandie says:


    I like the post. The team did seem to show more life. I too wish they would have sealed the deal.

  34. Jandy says:

    The struggling is one of the biggest issues this team has right now. Not sure there’s anyone in charge who can fix it tho. That’s what bothers me.

  35. Jandy says:

    Good advice, sistah. I’ll take it.
    I hope we do meet one day soon. Lunch on me :)

  36. BillyBaduka says:

    One step at a time.

    Just be glad it’s warm.

    As Brandie says, the rain in spring is good.

  37. Jandy says:

    Good morning to you too BB-bat :)

  38. d says:


    Change is only going to happen if this team continues to lose and under perform. Otherwise, we can continue to expect more early playoff exits!

  39. Dejan,

    My legitimate and not “I-told-you-so” comment is: I and others asked you 12 months ago why you gave so much coverage to a minor league sport that drew 4000-4500 in a gorgeous stadium by the river and so little coverage to the Pittsburgh Power football team drawing 8000 at Consol during the same time.

    Your short retort was: you only devoted time and coverage to viable teams that would be around here for a while.

    Now that the Riverhounds have declared bankruptcy . . . . while the Power has signed a new 3-year contract with Consol and has new ownership in the Tribune-Review (your own, hopefully viable, newspaper), will you give equal time, or any time at all, to a team that outdraws by double the local bankrupt semi-viable pitch crew?

  40. Brandie says:

    Good Morning Billy Badazz!

  41. BillyBaduka says:


  42. Brandie says:

    Only time will tell how these things shake out Groats N Honey!

    Just to update you….I am viable now. I have a job/career.

  43. Fine Girl,

    Did I read late last night that you have a job?! A real job?!

    Way to go, friend!!!!!

  44. Jandy says:

    In that case, we should all be happy we lost last night, and hope for another loss tonight.

  45. Jandy says:

    LOL I like that moniker!

  46. Jandy says:

    Good morning, Harrisburg Hal!

  47. BillyBaduka says:

    Good Morning Brandie, congrats on your new job!

  48. NMR says:

    Good gravy…

  49. Fine Girl,

    Just questioned you about it above.

    You’ve always been “viable” to me!

  50. Jandy says:

    Uh oh!

  51. Brandie says:

    See post below for confirmation.


  52. Sarah says:

    Congrats B!!!

  53. Jandy says:

    belongs on the stuffing too ;)

  54. AL says:

    Jan….I always remember a quote from Jacques Lemaire when he was coaching the Devils back in their defense first, neutral zone trap days of the 90’s. He said he wants to see his player skating back to the bench at the end of his shift “with a little snotball under his nose”.
    Maybe Dan could just repeat this to the troops as what it’s going to take to make it through the playoffs!

  55. Jandy says:

    G’mornin to you Sistah Sarah!

  56. Jandy says:

    Good one AL! lol

  57. Brandie says:

    Thank you. Plan gave me a chorus of Handel’s Messiah!

  58. BillyBaduka says:

    Lol, I like it too.

    My wife actually used to call me that. Back in our younger days when we were not fond of one another. We used to fight like cats and dogs.

    Got reacquainted at a mutual friends wedding 10 years ago and been together since.

    After a while we realized we fought because we are so alike.

    Please excuse this diversion.

  59. Brandie says:

    Thank you Sarahpova!

  60. BillyBaduka says:

    I saw that. That’s good stuff and a thoughtful post by Plan.

  61. The Pens got more of those dumb penalties last night, and that has got to stop. Also, I would hope that Goc’s injury isn’t serious enough to keep him off the ice too long since the Pens have lately had enough injury problems as it is. But then, the Pens, most of all, have got to get that winning edge back for the playoffs.

  62. Brandie says:

    Diversions? On this blog?


  63. BillyBaduka says:

    Just clicked on the link.

    I do remember those. Haven’t thought about the for years.

    Thanks for bringing back the memories.

  64. Rbilak says:

    1. As pointed out, Glass and Adams take a Jussi, neither miss a shift. I guess in Dan’s world they are stars that cannot be benched. I am sure other players saw this too. Accountability?

    2. Maybe if we played a West Coast team that started their third string goalie. I mean these backups are Ken Dryden and Bernie Parent rolled into one.

    3. Once again point play gave up short handed breakaway. Rinse and repeat. Obviously this cannot ever be fixed.

    4. The Pens win a lot of games with superior talent. The talent allows them to play less than 60 minutes of good hockey. I think that is part of the issue now. With talent out, they can no longer win playing40 minutes or less of good hockey. They came out flat last night, even after a canx practice.

    5. Beating the dead horse but lines 3/4 are not checking lines, cycling guys, energy guys, scoring guys, I know injuries play a part, but Glass on top line? Sutter from 3 to 4 to 2?

  65. Wild Bill says:

    Bold, very bold, Groat! The moderator has a challenge on his hands, or is it the sports editor?

  66. theplanisworking says:

    Or Heaving Cream………..

  67. JD says:

    +++ Groat.

  68. Jandy says:

    makin up is more fun that fighting!

  69. Jandy says:

    “Everybody’s got a right to be a sucker once”

  70. Brian Johnson says:


    I think your opinion is as valid as Dejan’s. To your credit, Pittsburgh is a football city and always will be, and attendance figures at Consol do appear to support your point that indoor arena football would have more longevity than a minor league soccer team.

    However, indoor arena football is only as stable as the league overall. Pittsburgh has had other football teams come and go despite fan support because the league itself didn’t have support, and this is why I am more likely to side with Dejan here. While soccer is a lesser sport to Pittsburghers than football, the infrastructure is there to support the system of minor and major leagues, which means the Riverhounds’ longevity depends only upon team management and sufficient fan base; both of which appear to be going well (bankruptcy isn’t necessarily a death knell… the Pirates and Penguins both have recent experiences with bankruptcy from which they emerged stronger).

    Additionally, so many youth (boys and girls) play soccer – more than play any other sport including baseball. The Riverhounds are improving and growing and are exciting for the growing, young fan base to follow. What the Hounds are going through reminds me of the early Penguins who may have drawn a few thousand in attendance at the Civic Arena.

    No one can predict the future, but I believe Dejan sees all the indicators that are necessary for a program’s success in the Riverhounds’ business model as compared to the house of cards that any indoor arena football league has been where withdrawal of financial support by a few people could fold the whole league no matter how successful the Power is as a franchise vs the Riverhounds being the ones who control their own fate.


  71. theplanisworking says:


    Not speaking for DK, but could some of that have to do with the fact indoor football was tried and failed before in Pittsburgh?
    Or, that DK is a bigger fan of soccer than indoor football?
    Or, I am just rambling on?

  72. theplanisworking says:


  73. Brandie says:


  74. theplanisworking says:

    Congratulations to the blog’s resident ray of sunshine, and favorite Muppet, Brandie. Last night I gave a song expressing relief her plight was over. Today I present a song that expresses more of a festive mood for her. :)

  75. hockeymonster says:

    Looking at the Goc replay, it seems like if his Achilles is ok than maybe its just a hyperextension of sorts. Didn’t look like ankle bent sideways so if his Achilles held up maybe he could be back in a couple weeks.

    In the meantime with geno and vitale out they probably need to call up ebbett or someone who can take draws. Sid is too worn out as it is and now its just him and sutter left. I’d rather watch ebbett get pinned in dzone than have sid take all the draws. Lets focus on treading water till bodies get back. Sid will get his 100 points regardless.

  76. theplanisworking says:


  77. dcpinpgh says:

    This was up on , but then taken down. It’s a connect the dot story, with links from different papers.

  78. Jandy says:

    A valid commentary, Brian. Nice to see you here this morning.

    If you’d care to join Dejan’s Lunatics’ Asylum, just post your hometown, and Biz will add it to the list :)

  79. Sid is NOT Mario!!

    However, the thing I like about Sidney that is so similar to Mario is that when Sid is going good, the puck seems to find him. Despite the coverage, the puck used to always find Mario, not Mario find the puck. Sidney likewise, despite the defensive coverage, shows up where the puck is coming when he is going good.

    The puck is not finding Sidney right now. Especially on the power play (last night 0/7), when Sid does not have a man dedicated to coverage on him, Sid is still not controlling the puck or action. Don’t know why the puck is not finding Sid. Is he actually mortal? Does he need a game of rest? My famous Convenience List?

  80. hockeymonster says:

    Haven’t seen him make that many sloppy passes in a long time. Whole looked like it was sleep walking in the 1st but sid wasn’t connecting on any passes. Very lackadaisical and unusual for him but he’s gotta be running on fumes.

  81. Damon says:

    He may have said lower body because it could be his knee as well. That whole foot-stuck-in-the-boards thing looked awful….

  82. Brian Johnson says:

    The place I call home these days in Perth, Ontario. Thanks for the nice comment, Jandy.

  83. JD says:

    I think your 2nd point nailed it. He’s definitely a fan.

  84. Jandy says:

    Looks like a rag mag

  85. Jandy says:

    Welcome, Brian. I’ll see that Biz adds you :)
    Come and comment more often !

  86. Jandy says:

    Indeed, I cringed!

  87. Brandie says:

    This is why I come here. People can make intelligent points and get the conversation going.

    And who knew AC/DC’s Brian Johnson had such an interest in Pittsburgh sports?

  88. Thundercrack says:

    The article in today’s Trib said the Riverhounds averaged over 3000 for their games last year.


    This is just my feeling about the subject: I am not a soccer fan but I hope the Riverhounds survive and do well. I don’t care at all about the Power.

  89. Brandie says:

    Gaby Planchez,

    Believe it or not, the first record I bought for myself was a Kook and The Gang single. Good times man. Thanks for the Funky shout out!

  90. Sarah says:

    Was there word in the injury? Replay looked awful….

  91. theplanisworking says:

    I guess he Shook Us All Night Long?

  92. theplanisworking says:

    Not a problem.

    My first choice was “Open Sesame”, but I found this more appropriate.

    Now if you and Jandy meet up, I am changing it to “Ladies Night”. :)

  93. The Pens were 0 for 7 on power plays. That’s got to change. Then, there was that incredibly ridiculous disallowed goal, and why that happened, well, that’s what we’d all like to know.

  94. hockeymonster says:

    No word yet. Just hoping for the best.

  95. Brian Johnson says:

    Thanks for the laugh, Brandie.

    I was born and raised in the Pittsburgh area, so even though I now live in the greater Ottawa area I still follow Pittsburgh’s teams and read Dejan’s articles and posts.

    You might like my upcoming album featuring the song, “Back in Black and Gold”.

  96. JohninOshkosh says:

    May I just say. Total and unequivocal beat down!

  97. Jim S. says:

    Thanks for the mention, Wild Bill.

    I will say they came upon their nickname honestly, since Orville and Wilbur Wright are from Dayton. I’m not sure why that hockey team latched onto our good name, though.

  98. Thundercrack says:

    Is your ‘good gravy’ post in response to:

    1) Groat’s post about the Riverhounds and Power


    2) the excessive personal comments that get posted on here…including what seems like 40-50 daily posts of “good morning’ “hello” “how are you” “goodnight”

    BTW, I had cheerios this morning.

  99. Jim S. says:

    I’m in. The best kind of lunch is the one someone else buys for me.

  100. Jim S. says:

    Good for you, Brandie!

  101. Botherhood of the Redus says:

    Kind of a stretch on the Pirates Prospects link this morning comparing Ishikawa most likely getting the platoon nod to Randa signing. Non-roster invite vs. Free Agent signing? Come on Tim dude….you’re better than that….then to go on and question why McGuiness isn’t getting a shot? (I’m pretty sure the resounding call around here was the McGuiness has a slow bat….so why so confused Mr. Williams?)

    Want to find out what Lambo is made of? Let’s see if he can find his stroke.

  102. Brandie says:

    Feels great Jimmerz!

  103. theplanisworking says:

    I don’t know which was worse last night………… the Pens 3-2 loss, in which the PP was 0-7, the PK was 1-3, or the excuse making that was going on after the game.

    Heard AFLAC on the Fan this morning, and he sounded like a man heading to the gallows. “When you are on special teams, you have to be plus on that. If you are not, well you are on the other side of that”. Brilliant. Just brilliant.

    Injuries, the refs horrible call, the ice, the puck, other team “too heavy”, AFLAC is doing just fine…………… all excuses. When this team is bounced in yet another early playoff exit this coming spring, more Yinzer excuses will be coming forth.
    Here is a clue for the Pens, and the excuse makers………. don’t go 0-7 on the PP. Don’t take stupid penalties. Don’t look like a 600 pound gorilla is on your back when trying to get to a loose puck. Try to match lines once in a while. Play to your teams strengths………….. after all, the home team still has the last change.

    But, hey, lets continue to cheer for the sellout streak.
    Meanwhile, the Crosby/Malkin window is getting close to slamming shut with each passing day, and all we get is Coach Mumbles Malloy looking lost.

  104. Jim S. says:

    Of epic proportions!

  105. Jim S. says:

    Both Miller boys coaching teams in the Elite 8. Never been done. Father is a coaching legend. There’s an angle for a story if ever I saw one, DK. Maybe the Trib can send out one of the cub reporters to get on it.

  106. Arriba Wilver says:

    Hi Brian. Did the Pirates actually ever file for bankruptcy protection? I don’t recall that. It was threatened at one point to get more favorable terms for the Three Rivers Stadium lease, but don’t recall them going through one.

  107. Play that funky music, White Boy!!!

  108. Jim S. says:

    Am I the only one who keeps wondering why this Ray Rice story gets almost no play from the national media?

    Woman gets knocked unconscious in an elevator by her “fiance” then gets dragged out on the floor as though she is a piece of damaged furniture. The player, his agent, his lawyer, and his team tell us to not jump to conclusions. Story never gains much traction. Player gets indicted, and his lawyer tells us the woman has no interest in pursuing it and that the two are “happy and in couple’s therapy.”

    As the church lady would say, “Well, isn’t that precious?”

    Meanwhile, a 300 lb. guy gets bullied in the locker room – news for 2+ weeks. Dies down a bit, then keeps flaming up for months.

    I’m not trying to dismiss what went on in Miami. But, comparatively speaking ….

  109. chethejet1 says:

    How far this franchise has fallen is indicated by the lip service the better teams give the Pens. These teams just don’t get up to play the Pens. Pens used to be the measuring stick for the better teams. Now it is just another game. St Louis and Hitchcock would love to play the Pens in the playoffs. They recognize just how poorly the team is coached and have no reason to believe this team can beat anyone good in a series. I agree.

  110. Jandy says:

    Yeah Jim, I posted a link up there on this….it’s amazing…

  111. Brian,

    I enjoyed your thoughtful comments.

    I think, however, that the Riverhounds were in a higher ranked soccer league just a few years ago and dropped down to this lower level/league because of money woes. They practiced on the same baseball field on which I played in Bethel Park and would come onto the fields after our games, so I would stick around and watch sometimes.

    These present money problems in the current league sound like a different verse of the same song.
    The only difference is the gorgeous, yet small seating capacity, stadium.

  112. Jim S. says:


    I’m very likely to never get to say this again, so I have to take my chance now:

    You should have gone to a basketball school like Osh and me. It makes March Madness so much more fun!


    I hope you take that in the spirit in which it was intended. I only get to brag on Dayton’s hoops team about once every 30 years. I only have a shelf life of about 36 more hours on that.

  113. theplanisworking says:

    Jim, sadly, the domestic abuse stories are a dime a dozen…….. just like the robbery stories involving athletes. The bullying story was something new and different. I am in no way diminishing what Rice did………… but it is so commonplace anymore, many people have tuned things like that out.

    Heard on the radio today Rice is looking at 2-5. Will be very difficult to plea his way out of this, because of the video.

  114. Arriba Wilver says:

    Congrats, Osh.

  115. Arriba Wilver says:

    And Jim.

  116. Cracker,

    Thanks for bringing me more snowballs for the fight!!!

  117. theplanisworking says:

    Shameless plug for the “home” newspaper here this morning………

    in my travels today, I was able to purchase a print copy of the Trib for only 25 cents.
    I was told by the lady it was on sale………. which I never heard of before.

    So, everyone should take advantage of this (I have no earthly clue how long this sale will last), and get a hard copy of the Trib.

    25 cents……… thats like 1994 prices.

  118. Damon says:

    Excellent post AL. I see signs of them righting the ship (minus the PHX game), they just need to battle through this rough stretch and get into a groove right in time for the playoffs. A little adversity right now can only help them later. Better than cruising into the playoffs then fighting to catch up to teams who had been battling adversity just to get in. The Bruins were something like 2-5-3 heading into the playoffs last year, so it only matters when it counts.

  119. Sweet Jimmie!

    You just made me utter words that caused my cat to run away and hide under the bed!

    Made me laugh loudly!

    Chomp those Gators!!

  120. Damon says:

    Another thing that is surprising me about Sid is that all players used to need to do is get the puck near Sid, and he’d use his skates, stick, hand anything to get the puck and go. He was like a vacuum cleaner. He seems to be fumbling passes and having them go off his stick more often than I’ve seen before.

  121. Excellent observation, Sweet Jimmie.

  122. Damon says:

    Best of luck with the new job – congrats!

  123. Jim S. says:


  124. Deb says:

    Sid will not be able to do more than shuffle by the end of the season if Bylsma keeps 87’s ice time in the 24- 25 minute realm. Last four games have been crazy.

  125. Sid needs to go on the Convenience List.

  126. bpn8pitt says:

    On some other blog in the country ” Brotherhood Of the Conine” is touting Garrett Jones.

    No, not touting. “Lauding”.

    Recycle, bucco fans.

  127. Milo Hamilton says:

    Just about the time the Pirates got finished patting themselves on the back for committing a whopping $14 million more ($2 million signing bonus, $10 million in salary for 2010 & a $2 million buyout) than they would have paid Starling Marte by just going through the arbitration process, the Tigers dropped their $352 million Miguel Cabrera bomb. That’s a little over a third of a billion kids. The predictable & laughable outrage has followed. But Mike Illitch doesn’t care. He’ll just sell 70,400,000 $5 pizzas & life is good.

  128. Wild Bill says:

    It was very ugly, Jim. I hold back sometimes when it’s a Pittsburgh rival, not wanting to look like a pathetic homer.

    Hurting a woman is about the most unmanly thing there is.

  129. Thundercrack says:

    I don’t pay much attention to ESPN anymore (at least not SportsCenter) but I think this Ray Rice story got a lot of coverage – even HERE locally. And I think it will again get attention when there is a trial. But what exactly is there to report on now? (except what was reported by that national site).

    And I’m not trying to dismiss the severity of this crime.
    The ‘bullying’ story happened during the season. It was something that we haven’t really heard much about before.
    There were teammates and ex-players to get stories from. I think those are factors on why there was more & extended media focus on that story.

  130. Jim S. says:

    I agree, plan. He is going to have a hard time staying out of jail.

    It will be interesting if Newsome and Harbaugh continue to support him so much. They both ate foot sandwiches right after the casino incident came to light by supporting him. I haven’t heard much from them lately.

  131. Wild Bill says:

    The 10 years surprised me more than the money, to be honest with ya, Milo.

  132. Jandy says:

    Kook…great typo Brandie LOL

  133. NMR says:

    Groat’s indignation over the poor plight of the Pittsburgh Power. I’ll never understand why old white guys get so upset over the mention of soccer.

  134. JohninOshkosh says:

    I lived in Detroit for some time. I love Mike Illitch! I like to think if I was stinking rich, I would be just like him!

    Never once have you heard him bemoan the fact his teams play in a bankrupt city and, therefore, can’t spend. He understands there is no salary cap in baseball! A few days ago you posted something about being committed to winning. That dude is.

  135. Jim S. says:

    That’s probably too tall an order, Groat. But, I’ll be hoping for lightning to strike.

  136. Jandy says:

    I LOVE AC/DC!!!

  137. I read a Marlin article yesterday.

    Garrett Jones is batting clean-up and is being counted on by Marlin manager to “protect” Stanton.
    Garrett Jones has 3 homeruns this Spring, but as National Mart of Records reminds us here and elsewhere, Spring stats mean nothing (unless you are Andrew Lambo).

  138. Jandy says:

    hey TC! Suck my big toe AFTER I step in dog doo! :P

  139. Jim S. says:

    And, I forgot to mention, Arriba’s team is still very much live and well. UVA vs. MSU tonight is a clash of the titans.

    Good luck with that, AW!

  140. JohninOshkosh says:

    Plus, I used to work at Little Caesaes. Pizza! Pizza! Winning! Winning!

  141. Thundercrack says:

    Why do you feel the outrage is predictable and laughable?

    The guy can spend his money any way he wants. I think that contract is a mistake.

  142. NMR says:

    Absolutely ridiculous.

    Dejan goes out of his way to expose readers to more than football. You think he covered badminton, curling, and wrestling because he’s a fan?

    There’s a bigger world out there. And it’s actually kind’ve interesting!

  143. Jim S. says:

    +++, Wild Bill. Real tough guy, that Ray Rice.

  144. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks, AW. I’m gloating now because Arizona is a different animal altogether.

  145. Sarah says:

    NHL tonite has DB on top 5 Hot Seat coaches.And SI hearing rumors too apparently.

    I think a lot of Sid’s malaise is just getting sick of this system.

  146. NMR says:

    Tim needs to take a break. He generally does a fine job, but he’s really put out some garbage lately. Feels like he’s writing just to write instead of writing for a purpose.

  147. Jim S. says:

    I know there was some coverage, TC. I didn’t think it was anywhere near what a lot of lesser stories get. But, I’m only going by my impressions.

  148. Brandie says:

    Thank you Big D.

  149. JohninOshkosh says:

    Oh, it’s totally predictable. Your point is not supported by what is put on this blog. Look at all the negativity toward the Mariners, or the Marlins and Blue Jays in years past. Every time there is a big contract, people here denounce it as stupid and business foolish. Or, my favorite, how it affects the Pirates with their own contract negotiations and player acquisitions.

  150. Lad 9 says:

    BRANDIEEEEEE. Congrats on your job! Saw it late last night. So proud of you!. Kick some a$$ girl. :) :)

  151. NMR says:

    Thank goodness Dombrowski shed Doug Fister’s contract, right? ;)

  152. JohninOshkosh says:

    Not just talking about the blog, TC. I’ve heard a lot of this stuff on talk radio this morning.

  153. Milo Hamilton says:

    The outrage is laughable because it is so predictable. Why is it a mistake ? It’s his team & his money & it doesn’t affect anyone else.

  154. NMR says:

    Well, these contracts ARE stupid and business foolish.

    Are we only allowed to criticize the Pirates?

  155. NMR says:


  156. Brandie says:

    I aim to please!

  157. Arriba Wilver says:

    Redus: I agree with you about the article. Tim seemed to be just rambling after awhile. It could be that his article that they would not put Ishikawa ahead of Lambo came out the same day they sent Lambo down. ;-)

  158. Milo Hamilton says:

    Bingo John. This obviously will now force the Pirates to give Andrew McCutchen a half a billion dollars & in turn bankrupt the franchise. Hysterical.

  159. JohninOshkosh says:

    Yes. Only allowed to criticize the Pirates. :)

  160. Your 2nd sentence is bull.

    I would have NO RESPECT for Sidney Crosby if that were true.

    I have hated coaches I played for before, but I hate LOSING more, and I NEVER threw a game or played half speed.

    Sidney Crosby is 10/20/30 times the athlete I am and he hates LOSING even more than I do.

    Your 2nd sentence is a “non-true-athlete’s” comment. I expect more of you as a hockey player.

  161. Thundercrack says:

    So people can’t think that it is a bit crazy to give that much money to that player (given his age and injury history). And I think the player is really good.

    And I don’t understand starting off the post with “Just about the time the Pirates got finished patting themselves on the back for committing a whopping $14 million…”

  162. Jim S. says:

    I’m not sure what to make of this, but I heard a Tigers fan call into MLB Radio this morning and claim that the NHL salary cap is the reason the Tigers were able to sign Cabrera. I believe his theory is that Ilitch is capped at what he can spend on the Red Wings, so he is spending like an Amish kid on Rumspringa on the Tigers.

  163. bpn8pitt says:

    Did you see Wolf on Wall Street?

    I liked the parts about “selling a pen”. Its a lot like the blog, Fangraphs etc.

    I wish Jon Bernthal’s character would show his technique on Huntington with 1B.

  164. Milo Hamilton says:

    Yeah, seriously. Dirty little secret, every team could afford this. Is it smart ? Now that’s debatable.

  165. Milo Hamilton says:

    Teams that are seriously committed to winning don’t have press conferences for something that small.

  166. Andrew says:

    The funny thing about this post is the inability to understand the difference between effect and magnitude.

  167. buggee says:

    rag mag? take a Bloxton and call me in the morning

  168. Mizery says:

    I went to be early last night so here is my first post. I was wondering what Dejan had to say about the Riverhounds bankruptcy. Only because I remember him lauding them when they were spending like crazy on players, operations and stadium about them creating a first class atmosphere. They did but apparently went a little overboard. This isn’t a snarky post just was my first thought when I read it that so many people were applauding it. On the other hand I would love to see the pirates declare bankruptcy only because it would show they actually spent money.

  169. NMR says:

    Oh, I could care less about how much of his own money Illitch or any owner is paying.

    But I generally believe mistakes are not smart things to make. And signing any player into his 40’s for $30m is unfathomably stupid. Even for Major League Baseball.

  170. buggee says:

    someone once told me NOT to prune my gardenias. BAH! i pruned them back and now they’re literally bursting with fragrant blossoms. So I’ll put that in my shuttlecock and puff on it

  171. Milo Hamilton says:

    Hey Illitch, how about spending some money on that horrible bullpen ? Now that’s outrageous. :)

  172. buggee says:

    is a liquid lunch in order for this tryst?

  173. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah, it is so nice to see the blog have its own Henry F Potter, trying to shut down our own version of the Building and Loan.


  174. Nate83 says:

    I think the fact that there is less opinion involved has something to do with. Nobody would disagree that what Ray Rice did was wrong and probably would not disagree with any punishment he eventually gets. The evidence is there for everyone to see there is no digging to do to find more answers.

    I’m not suggesting anyone thinks bullying is OK but I’m sure opinions varied greatly on how the situation should have been handled and how punishments should be handed out. There also was a lot of players involved so constant digging for information was going on.

  175. Milo Hamilton says:

    Another reason as a Pirates I don’t get riled up about it. It really doesn’t work. :)

  176. Andrew says:

    You can usually put weight, even walk with a ruptured Achilles, my concern would be fractures, and the ankle joint itself.

  177. Jandy says:

    wow I’m going to Sheetz to get one!

  178. Jandy says:


  179. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, my bigger issue is with how he lets Dombrowski allocate the vast amount of money he is willing to invest in this team. Mike Illitch can spend his money any which way he chooses. I just think Dombrowski is not going to be getting much bang for Illitch’s buck in a few years unless the boss just keeps adding more money to the payroll.

    I wonder if Dombrowski is expecting some other GM to be responsible for cleaning up his mess in about 5 years.

    It’s a Friday in Lent, and for my Catholic family that usually means cheese pizza night. I’m glad my kids are old enough that they won’t stand for Little Caesar’s any more. I don’t want to fund Miguel Cabrera’s outrageous salary.


  180. Skip says:

    According to recent research of American communities’ interest level in MLS, done by some outfit called Scarborough Sports Marketing, Pittsburgh doesn’t even make the list – out of 40+ cities.

    Here’s the link at Sports Business Daily where you can access the survey. The survey is at the end of the article:

  181. theplanisworking says:

    Dodgers news conference….. Kershaw for $30 MM/year.
    Tigers news conference……… Cabrera for $35 MM/year.

    Pirates mews conference…….Marte for $5 MM/year.

    Does anyone else see a problem here? I understand that the pirates can’t do those mega-deals, but this puts baseball’s inequality in the spotlight.

    And, in 5-6 years time, this will only get worse. A lot worse.

  182. Jandy says:

    Oh dear Lord!

  183. Sarah says:

    I hope you’re kidding cos that was offensive on many levels.

    Also you should work on your reading comprehension.
    I never said Crosby went half speed or threw a game.
    I’m suggesting he’s human and getting sick of this system which has shown to be easily exposed against certain types of teams, no matter how hard he tries or how much he wants to win.

    Get a grip.

  184. buggee says:

    what a lovely ray of sunshine you are today

  185. Jandy says:

    My co-worker just came into my office as I was talking to a rep for one of our suppliers. She told him to put his b*lls in her hand. (he has a shipment that was to come to us yesterday, it’s not coming until next week). at the look of astonishment on his face, I cracked up laughing REALLY loud. Thankfully that diffused the anger. he left MY office intact ;)

  186. Jim S. says:

    You’re both positively shameless. Have I mentioned that?

  187. Nate83 says:

    Baby steps Milo, Baby steps. You don’t just go from crawling to running with the big boys. Marte’s contract is our Cabrera. Just embrace it and enjoy the fact that we are even on the same playground.

  188. Jandy says:

    hey buggeeeee! :*

  189. Jim S. says:

    Yikes! Remind me to make sure if I ever ship something to your company that I get it there a day early.

  190. Jandy says:

    only if you’re buying, buggee ;)

  191. JohninOshkosh says:

    Illitch cares about acquiring trophies. Money either goes to the owners or the players. I guess he prefers the players.

    Let me propose this. Let’s say keeping Cabrera gets the Tigers a World Championship or two in the next few years. Buys a lot of good will with the fans by winning titles and keeping popular players in the organization. Then lets say Cabrera breaks down and never plays again for the last 4 or 5 years of his contract. Still a stupid deal ?

    I think it’s too early to call the contract crazy or stupid. Maybe Illitch cares about 2014 and 2015 and not so much about the years beyond that.

    But, I certainly don’t think that questioning the contract is not allowed or not something to think about and debate. I just happen to agree with Milo.

  192. Jandy says:

    No thanks!


  193. Andrew says:

    The comparison to Randa only makes sense if you disregard the context, it is like comparing J. Sanchez and Volquez, so it really does not make any sense.

  194. Nate83 says:

    Paying a guy 30 million in his age 39,40 and 41 years is foolish. If anyone deserves 30 million per year it’s Cabrera. He has been the most consistent player over the last decade but the years seem odd especially a year after he had some lingering injuries and is moving to first. I wouldn’t have been surprised at 6 years 180 million. I would have thought the Pujols contract would keep them from committing for 10 years.

  195. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s a free agent signing. Nice try though.

  196. Jim S. says:

    I was reading that article … and I lost interest … right smack dab in the middle of a sentence.

  197. Jandy says:

    LOL I’m telling ya! This just happened…in my office!

    I’m still laughing LOL

  198. Nate83 says:

    John whenever I read your post it’s as if Bo Ryan is personally saying it. It makes me chuckle every time because I absolutely love listening to that guy talk.

  199. NMR says:

    Well, Illitch already had Cabrera under contract for 2014 and 2015, so…

  200. JohninOshkosh says:

    Ha! Consumer boycott. Now that is being committed to your views, Jim.

  201. Jim S. says:

    It’s been fun, that’s for sure.

  202. Thundercrack says:

    Apparently, according to Milo, the Pirates shouldn’t have even held a press conference.

  203. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks. He had a good “discussion” with Sager last night at halftime I thought. :)

  204. buggee says:

    not sure if you’re aware of this d, but…
    This blog is the PITTSBURGH Tribune Review’s Dejan Kovacavic (sp?) blog.
    Emphasis on PITTSBURGH. Not sure if that’s clear because I’ve been accused in the past of being toO subtle in my points.
    Stands to reason that most participants would be homers. And I don’t mean 4-baggers either.

    Etch it then smack it around a bit

  205. NMR says:

    But I know that wasn’t your point, and your comment is absolutely a valid one.

    I personally do not have much faith in fans “good will” to call this a worthwhile endeavor. No doubt in my mind that Cabrera could be World Series MVP this year and fans would still hate thise contract if he didn’t even play out the last five years of it.

  206. buggee says:

    Proud of ya Brandi Iron. beats UC every day of the week sweetums

  207. Jandy says:

    We try, Jim, we try :P

  208. Nate83 says:

    There has to be something to that story we do not know. Porchello has not looked great in spring training and I’m not convinced they won’t regret that decision. However at the end of the day they probably only need 88-90 wins to win their division because it stinks, and then who cares who their 5th starter is.

    Just out of curiosity anybody have an opinion on their bullpen.

  209. Thundercrack says:

    I have no problem with owners paying players they like.

    I do have a problem with the recent trend of “Maybe {insert owner’s name} cares about 2014 and 2015 and not so much about the years beyond that.” I think they should care more about those years beyond.

    It it will be interesting to see if Scherzer walks after this year and what happens with Verlander.

    And on a semi-related side note, I saw yesterday that about 51% of the Mariners payroll will be taken up by 2 players.

  210. Damon says:

    Funny tweet by DK last night that I just noticed:

    Glass’ penalty was so ill-advised that Jokinen’s being benched for the next seven minutes.

  211. theplanisworking says:

    Actually I agree with Milo to a degree. Marte’s deal was newsworthy ….. only for the Pirates. Not sure it registers a blip elsewhere. Cutch’s contract was worthy of a news conference. Marte’s? Meh.

  212. NMR says:

    Hahaha, alright boss. Have it your way.

  213. Jandy says:


  214. buggee says:

    buying and mixing my famous 6-shooters.
    you know you’re going to have to arrange for a DD when someone tells you that yes, it does have alcohol in it! I like to call those “sleeper specials”. BAM!

    Etch it, then slurp Dom from it

  215. Jandy says:


  216. Jordan White says:


    I love your posts, but why do you have to bring age and race into it? I’m white and 30. One day I hope to be an old white guy. Should I expect my opinion to be less valid at that time?

    I agree that Groat’s message is a bit terse, but the overall point is valid if you ask me.

    My comment to Groat would be; Dejan knows his readership. It is entirely possible that he can reach the majority of those 4,000+ soccer fans while reaching almost none of those 8,000+ football fans. Plus, as a columnist, it’s his prerogative to write about whatever he wants. The trib does cover the Power, just not DK.

  217. Jandy says:

    WIll only take one for me then and I’ll be in lala land LOL

  218. NMR says:

    This seems absolutely ridiculous.

    Please, what is the minimum value for which the Pirates should pay someone before having a presser?

  219. buggee says:

    Hiya Jandelion!

  220. theplanisworking says:

    John, Illitch subscribes to the motto “you play to win the games”.
    Isn’t that what is all about?

    If I was a team owner, I would want to win also.
    If I was a billionaire, I would chase the trophy also.

    Now, if I didn’t have a pot to pee in, I would worry about every penny.
    In which that case, I wouldn’t be a team owner.


    PS Oshie — my Sixers go for the all-time losing streak in any Pro league tomorrow night. Brown was not kidding when he said they may not win another game this year!!!

  221. Thundercrack says:

    It’s a sports blog. Not your own version of the Building and Loan.

    Get your friends’ email address and then you can send them all the greetings/salutations/well wishes/ videos you want

  222. NMR says:

    STINKS. ;)

  223. AL says:

    Excellent post for you too. I’m always leary about the teams that win the President’s trophy or have a 10 game winning streak going into the playoffs. They all seem to get eliminated in the first or second round to the lower seeded teams who had to fight for a playoff spot.

  224. Milo Hamilton says:

    By the way, any future White House would do well to have Dejan as it’s press secretary. Anyone that can put a happy face on Chapter 11 can certainly spin with the best of them.

  225. JohninOshkosh says:

    Thanks for the responses NMR and TC. I award both of you the Forensics trophy, and I didn’t even have to sign you to any contracts!

    I’ll respond to both of you when the Mariners are playing the Tigers for the American league pennant for the chance to meet the Phillies in the Fall Classic.

  226. Andrew says:

    Tigers ran operating deficits in excess of $25 million from 2009-11, so I not am sure every team could afford it. I guess every team could theoretically pay a player $30 million/year, but I doubt that they could do that and actually put a good team on the field.

  227. Jandy says:

    TC, you are hereby cordially invited to skip over any post that doesn’t meet your approval.

    It’s OUR version of this blog.


  228. JohninOshkosh says:

    It’s incredible, Plan. The Bucks went and did something stupid and beat the Lakers. What were they thinking ?

  229. Milo Hamilton says:

    And I think they’re still 2 games better than the Bucks.

  230. Nate83 says:

    I missed that one. I would love to see an interview with him and Jim Gray. That guy always ask very inappropriate questions and I would love to see Ryan’s reaction.

    Gray once interviewed an American 100 yard sprinter at the Olympics after he ran a personal best time and won his semi-final heat to make it to the finals and his first question to the guy was something like “you just ran your personal best time but it was still .10 seconds slower then what Leroy Burrell just ran. Do you have any comments about that” The runner who was out of breath just looked at him and let out a huge exhale breath, then looked at him again and kind of laughed while taking a big breath and then just turned around and walked away without saying anything.

  231. theplanisworking says:

    Well, Cutch’s contract bought out a lot of $$$$ that would have been spent on arb, and FA. Marte’s contract doesn’t do that. I don’t think you set a minimum on something like that, but as milo correctly points out, the savings is really there. The years are, but this contract isn’t like the Cutch contract in terms of savings.

    But I understand its the Pirates, so any presser with even a shred of good news is welcome.

  232. theplanisworking says:

    Down to 1, Milo !!!

    But, the worst team in the NBA hasn’t gotten the first pick since 2003………… LeBron to the Cavs. That stat is mind-boggling.

  233. Jandy says:

    ANother rep here, maybe I better go save him from my co-worker!
    Got tons to do, no more time right now for hellos, good mornngs, and congratulations.
    I’ll catch up later, never fear!

    Later Loonies!

  234. Nate83 says:

    Well maybe we can trade Stink Jr. back to them. We can attach a note to him that says here we fixed this for you. Your welcome.

  235. Jim S. says:

    That’s a valid point, Osh.

    Last summer, a few weeks before MLB trading deadline, I posed the hypothetical question about whether we would be willing to have our team fall back to the bottom of the heap in the future for a better chance of a championship now. The group here was clearly split.

    It’s never that black and white, of course. Some of us are willing to accept the consequences of a questionable future for our sports team for the probability of a better team now, and some are not.

    My take is neither side is necessarily right and neither side is necessarily wrong. It’s just that we all look at things differently.

  236. theplanisworking says:

    Shameless is my middle name.
    Or was that clueless?

    Oldzheimers. :)

  237. NMR says:

    Hi Jordan,

    First off, my apologies for being cursed with enjoying my posts. ;)

    Second, I’ll also apologize if you were offended by my comment. I’m also in your general demographic, and I know for certain that ALL old white guys do not get upset about soccer.

    However, I also know that in my travels, old white guys for whatever reason are easily the most offended by soccer’s presence in America, and I really do not understand why. I cannot stand watching the sport for more than five minutes, but never once have I gotten upset about a local columnist devoting one paragraph in his daily blog to the sport.

  238. Nate83 says:

    Well the Pistons have a lot not to play for as well so they just might beat them. They lose the first round draft pick to the Bobcats if they don’t have a top 8 pick in the draft. They are currently tied for 8th I think.

  239. Jim S. says:

    Are they going after their own record, plan? Didn’t the Sixers go something like 9-73 one year?

  240. Thundercrack says:

    When the Pirates hold a news conference announcing that they have just signed their young, exciting, popular player – – that has the potential to continue to develop into a star — do you think they are only concerned about how it plays or what it registers ‘elsewhere? Or do you think they may also be looking at the team’s fans? Their paying customers may be interested in these types of things and any news/info that comes with it.

  241. theplanisworking says:

    No Jim, this is a consecutive games losing streak in a season, not an overall futility streak like they had in 72-73.

  242. A1C McG says:

    so thinking about going to the pens/jackets game tonight. nationwide arena is vastly under rated in my opinion and the atmosphere there is pretty good for a city most consider a non hockey town. given the recent play, does anyone think it is worth the money to go watch the game in person?

  243. Andrew says:

    Ryan Howard’s MVP and a World Series has not earned the Phillies’ regime any lasting good will.

  244. NMR says:

    And what was all that garbage lately about so and so being “basically 2013 Garrett Jones”, an opinion based soley on OPS alone?

    Talk about mailing it in. This is why I usually end up skimming over Williams’ opinion pieces. He makes for a great beat writer, awful columnist.

  245. Jim S. says:

    Ahh, who am I kidding? If my kids were still under 10, I’d be filing their bellies with Little Caesars tonight.

  246. NMR says:

    Sorry man, haven’t seen that one yet.

  247. Nate83 says:

    Silver lining. in 5 years time Cabrera will be heading into his decline years even if he’s healthy and the bad part of his contract will start to hurt the Tigers and Marte will still be in his prime and the Pirates can allow another overspending team to pay him for his declining year when they trade him or let him go after his contract expires.

  248. buggee says:

    “foot sandwiches” Great. One of the side benefits of this blog is all the higher edu-ma-cay-shun I gits from it.
    “Foot sammitches”.

    Etch it and plant a gardenia in it

  249. Nate83 says:

    I’m no less happy about the Marte signing after I here what Cabrera got. In fact I’m even happier because at 1/7 the cost we will get more the 1/7 the value if Marte even comes close to being the player he is capable of.

  250. buggee says:

    and that I wear a cup

  251. NMR says:

    Thank you!!!

  252. theplanisworking says:

    I feel so sorry for you.
    It’s kinda sad actually.

    If you want all sports 24/7 with no other words, go to Pirates Prospects, Steeler Nation, etc.

    You need to get over yourself, pal. The world doesn’t revolve around you, and you alone.

  253. I meant to be offensive if you are implying or saying overtly, as you have done on other days, that Sid’s unusually inadequate play lately is because of his dissatisfaction with the Coach or the system.

    I expect more of our resident female athlete. And my reading comprehension is quite sagacious.

  254. NMR says:

    Haha, I’d love to see that happen if only to watch the collective saber blogosphere figuratively self-immolate.

  255. Jim S. says:

    On an unrelated note, as I waited to get a haircut last night, I read a tweet about the Cards having MLB’s largest operating profit last season – $61.5 million. Those cheap b*stards!

    They also listed the rest of the NL Central. Pirates were listed at $21.8 million. Going from memory, but I think the Cubs were around $21 million. Reds and Brewers were in the $9-$12 million range, I think.

    Tigers broke even. Mike Illitch lost $50 million. Ok, I made that last part up.

  256. Nate83 says:

    Cutch batted .257 the year before signing his contract. He hardly was a lock to become what he is today. I could be wrong but I think coming into the majors he wasn’t even a top 10 prospect in all of baseball. It was a significant signing but at the time not much more landmark then the Marte signing.

  257. Jordan White says:

    Apology obviously accepted. It just rubbed me the wrong way. No need to dwell on a throw away comment any longer than I already have.

    Actually, funny side note, I just realized my dad (62) loves watching soccer – particularly EPL – and I always yell at him for watching it haha.

    But generally speaking, soccer is getting huge in America. People at the MLS level had the vision when they started it years ago. I never thought I’d see it get this popular. Kudos to them. Over the years I’ve gone from despising soccer (I played through high school) to being indifferent. Maybe one day I’ll even like it.

    Anyway, here’s to hoping the Hounds can pull through this.

  258. Andrew says:

    My take is that the win now side is wrong because, there is very little a team can do to ensure playoff success. For a baseball team there is not much value in improving from a projected 94 to 97 win team. Playoffs are random and chance driven so if the goal is to win a championship the best thing a team can do is maximize the number of times it gets to the playoffs.

  259. NMR says:

    At the time Cutch signed his contract, neither you, me, Milo, or the big guy in the sky knew how much it would save the Pirates.

    In fact, it was within a few million dollars of extensions signed by Justin Upton and Jay Bruce. Kind’ve like Marte’s was within a few million of Julio Teheran. Some Kovacevic guy pointed that out.

  260. Sarah says:

    Wevs Groat. I never said anything you referred to except perhaps in your imagination.

  261. Jim S. says:

    I happen to fall squarely on that side of the argument as well, Andrew.

  262. NMR says:

    “Playoffs are random and chance driven so if the goal is to win a championship the best thing a team can do is maximize the number of times it gets to the playoffs.”

    This may be one of the biggest fallacies in the saber community. Yes, the relatively short duration of playoff baseball makes variation in individual performance more extreme. But having better baseball players absolutely increases the odds that they will produce during that duration.

  263. NMR says:

    Very much agreed, Jordan!

  264. hockeymonster says:

    Hey hey…looks like chrome is working again…

  265. Patrick(RI) says:

    After reading today’s posts, I decided to trod on unfamiliar ground: the NHL. So I googled the standings. First, I was astonished to see the Penguins are comfortably in first place in their division (I was also surprised there are so MANY teams).

  266. Jim S. says:

    I heard the Blue Jackets are concerned about the Pens recent lackluster play and what it might mean to crowds in Columbus when the two teams play there. ;-)

  267. Jim S. says:

    I knew that, but I was thinking maybe in that 9-73 season they had room for a couple of really long losing streaks. ;-)

  268. hockeymonster says:

    I think Achilles take longer to heal if there’s surgery. Would almost prefer clean break but either way hope its nothing that requires surgery. He was just starting to be big part of team.

  269. Now we’ve had the words “sagacious” and “aspersions” used on this here blog, along with some trollisms earlier in the week.

    Getting too cerebral here for some of us elder statesmen.

    I’m gonna have to put an icon on my desktop for or just keep it connected continuously.

  270. Thundercrack says:

    No need to be sad or feel sorry for me Pal.

  271. Brandie says:

    Thank you very much…


  272. Jim S. says:

    I think it is a pretty safe bet that even if the Tigers win a championship in the next couple of years, if Mr. I says in 2019 that he will now operate the club with the goal of making a healthy profit going forward the torches and pitch forks will be at the ready among the local fanbase.

  273. Sarah
    March 15, 2014 at 5:45 PM
    I actually think Sid’s less-than-Sid-like performances this year have to do with him getting sick of disco’s schtick, and playing with AHLers or 3rd liners and RS’s inability to find him a winger, and on and on….

    Someone else must be writing in your name . . . .

  274. Andrew says:

    Yes a better team increases your odds but by how much is the key question? It is not really a fallacy it is probability theory. If the superior team on average would win, 2 out of 3 times they meet, the inferior team, so a .667 win%. The inferior team will still win a 7-game series about 20%.

    I do not think the way current sports leagues are constructed that true talent .667 win teams exist, and in the playoffs you are not going to meet .333 teams.

  275. buggee says:

    What was offensive to me is shelling out three-hundred bones for 2 seats per game to watch the load of crap that’s being shoveled out from this team over the past few home games.

    I’m pretty sure I’ll be giving the attendance thing a rest for a while. Maybe for the rest of the season.

    These men are PROS. If they’re sick of the system/not listening to coaching, BENCH ‘EM! This is about winning, not smooching prima-donna rump.

    Can yinz tell that um a little upset over their performance lately.

    Etch it then toss it in a pool and fill it with water noodles.

  276. “self-immolate” is another one

    What the heck?

    Ya’ all college professors, architects and company CEO’s are getting beyond me.


  277. Brandie says:

    OMG!!! How inappropriately funny! :)

  278. hockeymonster says:

    So with columbus tonight will we have any more luck agaynst a desperate team vs a heavy team?

  279. theplanisworking says:

    That team had 15 and 20 game losing streaks.

    It also lost every “star” from previous seasons, and a rookie NBA coach. A perfect storm of stink, I guess.

  280. Nate83 says:

    All I know is a guy single handedly won the world series last year. I’m not sure if that has anything to do with what you guys are talking about but it did happen.

  281. theplanisworking says:

    Yes there certainly is.
    I will light a candle for you, pal.

  282. Says the loquacious Man of God.

  283. Andrew says:

    No, you are right Achilles is at least 9 months. I doubt we will hear much more it being hockey and all, I going to assume his season is over until proven otherwise. I have used up all my optimism on the Pens already.

  284. Great song, JAL. Forgot all about the Electric Prunes.

  285. Arriba Wilver says:

    “You need to get over yourself, pal. The world doesn’t revolve around you, and you alone.”

    Good gravy . . .

  286. Andrew says:

    That said, throwing up your hands and saying well it is random we cannot doing anything is equally dumb as saying signing this player ensures a World Series berth.

  287. Naterosboro says:

    Unless you’re looking to watch the MLS, just pick a club in a European league (or just follow the league and watch a bunch of games as a neutral), I recommend England, and start to follow and support them, and then tell me soccer isn’t an awesome sport.

    I started supporting Arsenal about 7-8 years ago after I saw this goal (which I just happened to see when I flipped to ESPN2):

    I believe Theo Walcott was either 16 or 17 when he did that. Unbelievable run.

    I’m not saying that everyone has to like every sport, but constantly to put the sport down is something I’d like to see change from an American perspective. I guess that’ll only come from watching and learning about the game.

    The American product has to get better for sure, but I also don’t think that means the MLS. I think that means creating better academys so that the top US players can play overseas. If more top US players played in the top European leagues, I think you might be able to get more Americans interested. I think another thing that needs to happen is the US needs to make a run in a World Cup. While I don’t think a win is necessary (or likely in the near future), a run to the semis or even finals would put the sport on the map big time in this country, IMO.

    The world calls it the beautiful game. We call it something else (usually the word fairy is involved….). I think we got this wrong, just like how we shun the metric system.

    Oh to be different.

  288. JohninOshkosh says:

    Yes. The raconteurs on this blog are often clever but the ubiquitous tautologies here are often insufferably tiresome.

  289. Andrew says:

    I view Columbus as more of a speed team so speedy and desperate.

  290. A1C McG says:

    seriously? i saw there were some tickets being resold on whatever that ticket resell site thing is (the NHL doesnt pay me to plug that site for them), but there really werent that many available

  291. theplanisworking says:

    Well, AW, since TC decided to be Lord and Master of the Blog, and feels he can tell everyone else what to do and say, I thought it was spot on.

    I know he is your friend, so hence, the “good gravy”.

    As I, and others have stated, he can feel free to frequent other blogs that don’t allow (GASP) such “foolishness” as greetings and well wishes. But do not come on here acting like God and tell others what to do and say.

    By the way, I like good gravy.

  292. bpn8pitt says:

    MJD goes to Raiders.

    Who goes from the Jaguars to the Raiders?

  293. hockeymonster says:

    On top of tix prices being crazy I actually see the game better on tv. Unless i have tix between the blue lines i’d prefer to watch on tv anyway.

    About Groat n sarah’s facewash festival, lets just say that we’re all on edge. Sid is looking worn out for good reason. Don’t think now is a good time to jump to conclusions on anyone, including disco. Well except for maybe the refs last night…

  294. NMR says:

    “I do not think the way current sports leagues are constructed that true talent .667 win teams exist, and in the playoffs you are not going to meet .333 teams.”

    And I don’t think the “win now” cliche is usually as short of a window as it is made out to be.

    Has any team ever went “win now” and NOT left themselves at least a three year window?

  295. I said the same thing last Tuesday, John. That’s why Groaty called me loquacious.

    BTW, congrats and On Wisconsin! No reason they can’t win it all. Not 1 team left that is not beatable.

  296. Arriba Wilver says:

    John even went Latin on us. ;-)

  297. Toronto Blue Jays last season.

  298. He almost became a priest. That’s why he’s so Latinous, AW.

  299. Florida Marlins (now Miami Marlins) two seasons ago.

  300. Milo Hamilton says:

    Steigy loves to tell us the other team is desperate.

  301. Boston Red Sox 3 seasons ago.

  302. hockeymonster says:

    Columbus games are personal for me but not going to judge based on tonight. But i will say this:

    Not a fan of fighting or after the whistle scrums HOWEVER if there ever was a time to say “we aint takin this chit no more”, NOW is the time. Early in game tonight, I would be tempted to beat down whatever poor bastard crossed my path and so much as looked at me wrong.

    Don’t want undisciplined penalties during the game but early on i think it’s statement time. Gotta get teams to back off and not finish checks when our guys are going into the boards off balance. Engo picked up on what was going on and started to drop the hammer. Its time we all start dropping the haamma!

    Engo at RW should get the point across.

  303. raconteurs is French. Tautologies is the Latin one. Ubiqutious is ubiquitous.

  304. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR’s right that this is kind of ridiculous to even be talking about, BUT Cutch’s deal WAS a big deal at the time.
    If for no other reason than it was further down the road in his career, and despite the average the year before you knew he was the MAN. He might not have been a top 10 prospect when he came up (I don’t know and don’t care) but he hit the ground running and was clearly the best player the Pirates had developed in a generation. I could go on, but it was a big deal, and more significant than the Marte signing. (I also don’t care whether they had a press conference or not, but let’s not rewrite history).

  305. JohninOshkosh says:

    Gratias tibi.

    Yep. Thought long and hard about The Calling at one point in my life. But, ultimately, I decided I was too fond of sleeping in on Sundays and much, much too interested in those charming hour glass shaped creatures for such pious singular devotion.

    BTW, speaking of Latin, really enjoyed your posts on Handel! Bene est, Lucky.

  306. Arriba Wilver says:

    I meant earlier in the week. He went on a spree. ;-)

  307. Eric Bowser says:

    …stomach flu sucks!
    …attending a funeral last night and then getting sick, sucks!
    …been talking about the Penguins struggling for a long while, sucks!

    You know what sucks…. Bylsma for saying it is only a recent handful of games that the team is struggling. The numbers don’t lie.

    Season Totals: PP – 23.7% / PK – 85.6%
    Since Jan 1: PP – 21.4% / PK – 82.2%
    Since Olympics: PP – 18.7% / PK – 80.7%

    Season Shot Differential: +90
    Since Jan 1: -26
    Since Olympics: -58

    Been talking about their 5on5 play all year, top heavy they are… this sucks!
    Corsi: 48.5% (22nd)
    Fenwick: 49.2% (19th)

    Injuries are an excuse for losing, they are not an excuse for a lack of discipline, lack of adjustments playing the same system while the likes of Sutter, Glass, Adams, etc. are getting more ice time than they deserve.

    I agree with Mark Madden, he mentioned the Penguins are a joke for benching Jokinen at this juncture of the season. Where is the coach in game one… not game 71? When a coach openly admits the captain or other players are getting preferential treatment, that’s a sure-fire way of having your meat and potatoes lose confidence, lose respect for the coach.

    This talk about firing Bylsma right now sucks!

    You don’t fire the coach after 73 games, I don’t care what worked for the Devils.

  308. JRay3 says:

    Don’t know if many got to watch the MLB Network’s 30 clubs in 30 days on the Pirates last night. The panel of Mitch Williams, Ken Rosenthal and Al Leiter all pegged the Pirates to be a wild card team this year, finishing behind the Cardinals.

    A lot of the talk focused on the Pirates bullpen, and all of the “experts” agreed that both Cole and Morton take big steps forward and having Wandy back is a big addition to a serviceable rotation with Liriano as the ace.

    Rosenthal did not think the Pirates did enough to bolster the offense in the off-season, while Williams and Leiter took a different approach saying the team could gt more from Cutch, more from Alvarez, more from Marte and with help on the horizon maybe the team knew what it was doing.

    A lot of talk on the blog about the Marte deal, is it big or not, press conference or not, comparison to mega deals for 30+ ballplayers into their 40’s, I can say it was a big deal on the MLB Network and everybody applauded the move the Bucs made in locking in a core player with still more upside and getting as many as 3 free agent years in the deal.

    Overall, seemed like although there is expected to be some regression in the team, everybody on the show was very high on this Bucs team, FWIW.

  309. Brandie says:

    Normally I do not respond to this kind of post, but seeing as I am one of the biggest offenders of the good morning brigade…

    1. I do post about sports, especially as I am learning from the lists of others, Dejan’s writings, and other blogs just what goes into making my favorite teams click.

    2. Just like any other sports bar or meeting place, digressions happen.

    3. As I will now be working, good morning posts will be less frequent.

    Far be it from me to be annoying to others, but if good morning is going to cause such consternation, perhaps a good afternoon will go over better.

  310. Naterosboro says:

    Bite Bite! Sip Sip!

    That’s what makes the combo.

    Bite Bite! Sip Sip!

    Do the Cabrera-Contract-Combo-Mombo

    For Lunch!

  311. Brandie says:

    Could not have summed it up any better. Hopefully things calm down soon.

  312. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy registered her disapproval with humor and class. You had to make it personal.

  313. bpn8pitt says:


    Read the trib article on the Riverhounds. Considering they owe 7.5 million on the mortgage, another 1.5 in credit, and who the hell knows how much to 50 other creditors…wow.

    Cost overruns on a stadium under 4k seats? With the original plan going to 18.5k in ten years and get an MLS team?

    Good Luck with that one…Root for Chelsea by the way. So not a hater.

  314. NMR says:

    0-3, Groat.

  315. Jandy says:

    You and your family need to quit sharing that flu bug, Eric.

    Feel better!

  316. Jandy says:

    Sistah…some people just…need to get over it.
    Someone doesn’t like a post, move on.
    There’s more to read that they will like.
    Nuff said.
    Cheerios be dayumed!

  317. Jandy says:

    Howdy bpn ;)

  318. Jandy says:

    Columbus is gonna be very tough tonight, especially for the Pens with their morale and attitude problems, not to mention the coaching issues. Not complaining, just stating facts.

    Don’t be surprised if Columbus kicks our collective butts.

  319. Jandy says:

    LOL cracking me up here Patricl

  320. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, you mean like TC telling me to get e-mail addresses………… making it personal to me?

    Like I said, I understand he is your friend, and that is why you are even responding to me. If he wouldn’t have gotten personal with me, I would not have responded in kind.

    I am offended that the subject was even brought up. So many on here hate others viewpoints………… whether it be greetings, the NBA, soccer…………. this is an all-inclusive blog, or at least it is supposed to be. No place for people to play God and tell others what to do.

  321. Jandy says:


  322. hockeymonster says:

    Thing that bothers me is that people are ‘reaching’ for reasons to criticize disco. If you want to point to system details or discipline that’s fair game. But criticizing for lack of line matching IMO is just stupid. You need depth and options in order to line match. We haven’t had either since last season. Criticizing him cuz of shot differential IMO is just stupid considering 1/3 our payroll is in a suit. Obviously he’s not perfect and you guys know i’m first in line to point out what i believe to be wrong. BUT for now…lets just chill out and ride out the storm.

  323. hockeymonster says:

    I think they know we can’t have that.

  324. d says:


    Wow! that is such a “HEAVY” statement! :)

  325. Jandy says:


  326. Only 24 days to write The Messiah. Soli Deo Gloria! (SDG)

  327. Andrew says:

    I agree “win now” is not an absolutist characterization, and I did not mean random to be absolutist. The Marlins window was self imposed, the Red Soxes made some defensible moves, Carl Crawford like player’s usually age well, Gonzalez not so much, but the Red Soxes seemed to know how to recover. No idea what Tronoto is doing.

  328. Thundercrack says:

    Just so I have this straight Pal, when you wrote

    ‘Yeah, it is so nice to see the blog have its own Henry F Potter, trying to shut down our own version of the Building and Loan.’

    That wasn’t directed at me? That wasn’t you getting personal to me?

  329. Jandy says:

    If ya wanna call me telling someone to suck my big toe after I step in dog doo class…yeahh LOL!!!!

    Anyway, yinz can pick on me since I started this schmuck, leave Plan alone :)
    That is all.

  330. Jandy says:

    electric prunes????


  331. Who ripped on the “Good Morning” stuff now? I must have missed it?

  332. Jandy says:

    TC…I’ma plant my size 9 wides up your….


  333. Jandy says:

    Uncle Cracker

  334. theplanisworking says:

    Oh no, don’t leave Plan alone at all.

    I simple detest that anyone would come on here and try to chase others away at all. Shows absolutely no class to try to take over the blog for their own views. This is not the first time that poster has pulled his crap. And, I feel confident it won’t be the last, either.

    I don’t know which is worse………. the chastising of people for their posts, or others defending that person.


  335. theplanisworking says:

    Just so I, and only I, get this straight, Pal, when you wrote:

    ” the excessive personal comments that get posted on here…including what seems like 40-50 daily posts of “good morning’ “hello” “how are you” “goodnight” ” ………….. you weren’t trying to get personal or start a crapstorm with anyone on the blog?

    Your 9:01 comment was totally uncalled for in any way, now you are mad there is a pushback on that comment? Really??

    You need to put your big boy pants on and deal with what YOU started. No one else said what you said today. No one. Therefore, you have to accept responsibility for that comment, and any and all pushback you receive.

  336. Jim S. says:

    +++, JRay. I missed that. I doubt they will run it again, but I would like to see it.

  337. Jim S. says:

    Bad to worse.

  338. bpn8pitt says:

    Easy, Jandy. Im already in trouble for “lauding” and “dumpster dives”.


  339. Unlike him. Oh well, as Rodney King said……………………….


  340. Jim S. says:

    No, I was just kidding, A1C. It just seems like Columbus relies on Penguins for their sellouts, much the same way the Caps used to way back in the day when I lived in Pittsburgh and often made that trek.

  341. Jandy says:

    LOL. I told him to suck my big toe AFTER I stepped in dog doo :D

  342. Jandy says:

    LOL! I get in a lotta trouble too. Didn’t you notice?


  343. Arriba Wilver says:

    “Like I said, I understand he is your friend, and that is why you are even responding to me.”

    He is my friend, but I’m responding to you because of what you posted. Just so that’s clear.

  344. Jim S. says:

    Was Gene Shue involved?

  345. theplanisworking says:

    Thundercrack started his stuff yet again.

    AW decided that he didn’t like I got “personal” with TC in my pushback against that statement.

    You know, DK has stated that this blog is supposed to be all-inclusive……….. or maybe I am wrong. It has a good balance of sports, and people genuinely concerned for the welfare of others, such as Brandie’s wonderful news of employment. However, we get the following all too frequently………..

    some poster gets offended if the NBA is brought up,
    someone gets offended if soccer is brought up,
    someone gets offended if greetings are exchanged,

    and on and on.

    I am obviously not smart enough to understand why people show so much hatred toward this. If some posters had there way, only 2 or 3 topics would be allowed, no friendly banter, and so on.

    Maybe you can help me get smarter, Reverend.

  346. Jandy says:



  347. Jim S. says:

    I think BABIP got him in that .257 season, AW. ;-)

  348. theplanisworking says:

    And I responded to what he posted, just so that’s clear.

    I find it a bit odd that you respond to me, because I was “personal” with your friend, but you didn’t respond to your friend when he got “personal”. His 9:01 comment was way out of bounds, and you defend him by coming after me. Interesting.

  349. Jim S. says:

    Haha! Good one, Nate!

  350. Arriba Wilver says:

    I guess you are referring to me, Plan. So typical, it’s funny.

    And no one’s trying to chase anyone away. Another overreaction.

  351. Nate83 says:

    Really you where confident Cutch would be better then a .280 career hitter at the time. If only there was a way to define a players value to a team and compare. Wait there is.

    Cutch’s first full year WAR 3.4 his second full year 5.4

    Marte’s first full year WAR 4.6 his second full year TBD.

    Marte consistently had better batting averages then Cutch coming through the minors. I don’t now how you can say at the moment they where signed one was that much greater then the other. Nobody thought Cutch would explode into a 7-8 WAR player. Because of where the Pirates where as an organization it was a big deal but no because of the caliber of player at the time of signing.

  352. Jandy says:

    AW, you are extremely incorrigible! :P

  353. Arriba Wilver says:

    Not hooey at all.

  354. Botherhood of the Redus says:

    Same thing happened to me haha

  355. Jim S. says:

    It was a monumentally bad article.

  356. Jandy says:

    oh, definitely hooey :)

  357. Nate83 says:

    Kind of hard to ask for more then a slight improvement from Cutch.

  358. Nate83 says:

    My cable has the 30 in 30 available on VOD. I’ve been checking every couple of days to see if the Pirates had been done yet. I will have to watch it this weekend.

  359. Jim S. says:

    I noticed yesterday that Chad Voytik said he thought his 100% scholarship was compensation enough for his efforts at Pitt.

    Shill for the man!

  360. Arriba Wilver says:

    You’re only saying what you’re saying because Plan is your friend. :-P

  361. Jandy says:

    Yup! I have big enough cajones to admit it :D

  362. theplanisworking says:

    AW, I dont understand what you mean when you say “you must be responding to me”.

    My 12:34 post is responding to Jandy’s 12:25 post.

    My 12:51 post is responding to your 12:45 post.

    Also………… “And no one’s trying to chase anyone away. Another overreaction.”

    You do realize when someone sees a poster complaining about the personal greetings, certain topics aren’t allowed, etc. some people are going to post less, or not post at all. No over-reaction at all, except in your opinion. I am not surprised you have started on me just to defend your friend’s indefensible post. Yet another instance where the “old guard” tries to bully others, because they disagree with them, or views.

    Quite sad.

  363. bpn8pitt says:

    Like to see Pedro go MIA less.

    RF and 1B and the rarely mentioned SS cannot be auto outs all the time.

    …Just dont think the pitching is going to make up for the lack of runs. I know Spring Training doesnt mean much, but they had a few games where the ML lineup was out there against ML pitching and they mailed in a couple gooseeggs.

  364. Andrew says:

    Hockey, I could not agree more,

  365. Jandy says:

    pssst..Andrew, that’s Monster Mash, the ice rink smash ;)

  366. Nastynate82 says:

    I wouldn’t say he’s an awful columnist, but that certainly wasn’t one of his best

  367. Botherhood of the Redus says:

    the only good thing about this deal is that Cabrera is arguably going down as the greatest hitter of all time…and honestly, he’ll be able to hit .300 from a wheelchair if he needs to so all that cash is more about his legacy and what he’s done for that franchise than anything else

  368. theplanisworking says:


  369. theplanisworking says:

    ESPN ranked the top 25 players (actually top 100).
    Cutch in at #4.

    High praise from them, they don’t acknowledge anyone from outside NY/BOS/LA.

  370. Baywatch says:

    Afternoon, Y’all! PUMPED! The team is up north, and that’s where MR. & MRS. BAY SEARAGE (knew ‘Lita would love that!) will be May 9-11, Cardinals series, celebrating our 25th Anniversary on the North Shore! You can just FORGET about Hawaii! We love our ‘Burgh! Makin’ some Mecca! Go Bucs!

    And she’s the greatest little fan … she was ALL put out last night, saying she was NEVER gonna read Sports Illustrated again for predicting us to finish only ahead of the Cubs and Brew crew this year!

  371. The Bible says you have the mind of Christ. Good thing because mine is insufficient in and of itself. Everybody needs to ease up a bit and enjoy the fact that it’s Friday.

    And BTW, J-girl, fungus with gravy is still fungus.


  372. The fact that you can fly free has helped that cause, right?


  373. Nastynate82 says:

    Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

  374. Arriba Wilver says:

    “I don’t know which is worse………. the chastising of people for their posts, or others defending that person.”

    Who were you referring to, if not me?

  375. JohninOshkosh says:

    Really enjoyed Dejan’s chat. Wish I had one tenth of his wit and ability to think on his feet.

    Gotta bounce. Have a good one, all.

  376. Jim S. says:

    Congrats on the anniversary, Jason Bay Searage!

  377. Jim S. says:

    You took the “dumpster dives” heat well, bpn.

    Love that avatar, btw.

  378. Jim S. says:

    Don’t you start bringing up that blasted NBA again, plan. ;-)

  379. theplanisworking says:

    I was directly referring to you, AW, as you were the only one defending an indefensible position, and coming after me.

    I didn’t think there was anyone else defending said position, or coming after me for it.


  380. Botherhood of the Redus says:

    HAHA an old guy at that

  381. Jim S. says:


    You would think everyone would be thrilled that Dayton won last night and it would make for a wonderful day here.

    Oh wait … I guess that’s just me. Well, I’m having a happy Friday. The fish tacos from the deli downstairs were scrumptous. Life is good.

  382. Brandie says:

    Sounds like an awesome time Bay Searage. Thank you for the shout out.

    As far as predictions go, tell your wife to think of it this way…
    Predictions are like noses. Sometimes they get all boogered up!

  383. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, those MLB guys are asking a lot there. If he is close to as good as last year, that will be a very nice season.

  384. Brandie says:

    Also Bay I got a new job. :)

  385. theplanisworking says:

    Reverend, I can no way have the mind of Christ. Actually, coming here daily, I have no mind at all. But seriously, I am not an educated person. I dont use big words. My thoughts are scattered. I am forgetful. No way is that the mind of Christ.

    But thanks for the attempt at cheering me up. :)

  386. bpn8pitt says:

    Mike Anderson from Broncos down the road I think.

  387. I’m happy for ‘em, Jim. Dayton is still part of Ohio.

  388. theplanisworking says:

    Guilty Jim.
    Guess I have to stop bringing it up forever.

    Maybe I can sign up for an e-newsletter with the approved topics for the day? ( I would have to have someone read it to me, of course)………

  389. Jandy says:

    He’s amazing.

    have a good one Oshie!

  390. hockeymonster says:

    Rumor has it that Mye-Lough is his ghost writer :)

  391. Jandy says:

    Congrats to you and the lil lady :)

  392. Jandy says:

    Spunky, on that fungus thing, that’s what I’m talkin’ bout!!! ;)

  393. Jim S. says:

    I don’t know if you caught any late night tweets from DK last night, but he had a funny series where he was not able to drive home because of a bomb threat on his route. An overzealous cop told him to go find something to do for a couple of hours because he wasn’t getting through. Anyway, he went to get some pizza to kill time, and invited anyone to come share. At least one person showed up to partake.

    DK does simple things like that once in awhile, which I find very nice. A lot of writers would not give the time of day to their readers/viewers/listeners, let alone invite them to show up announced and share a meal with them on his dime.

    Nice gesture, DK! Enjoy your Friday!

  394. buggee says:

    the newest Pirate minor-league outfielder

  395. Jandy says:

    haha! ;)

  396. Jandy says:

    March 28, 2014 at 1:31 PM

    Spunky, on that fungus thing, that’s what I’m talkin’ bout!!! ;)

  397. Brandie says:

    Both have a decidedly moist sense of humor.

  398. Jandy says:

    usually, but not always.

  399. JRay3 says:

    Actually, Cutch hit 10 less HR’s last year and his OPS declined by 41 points in his 2013 MVP season versus his 2012 stats.

    I think the point being made is last season was probably not the height of the numbers he is capable of producing and there might be some more in there.

  400. Jim S. says:

    Not liking the ominous “getting a 2nd opinion on his elbow” talk about Taillon.

  401. Brandie says:

    He has a big heart!

  402. Jandy says:


  403. Jandy says:

    I’d like to see Pedro do a lot of things, but he is what he is…

    Wish Spinach would cure it…

  404. Brandie says:

    Possible Tommy John territory? I hope not!

  405. NMR says:

    I say this not to argue, but only to point out the difficulty of the game of baseball.

    Take a look at what Cabrera did last September while hampered by a groin injury. Cabrera has slugged under .500 just four times in a given month in the last four years, combined. Last September he slugged .333.

    Even the best hitter on the planet can be rendered mundain very quickly.

  406. Jandy says:

    I’m glad you said heart!

  407. hockeymonster says:

    :shaking head:

  408. NMR says:

    Ha, I’ve seen this said a number of times, and every time I wonder why?

  409. Jim S. says:

    Yeah, I sure hope not. Initially, Huntington said their findings were that the ligament was intact. But, that’s why they have 2nd opinions, I guess. It could be that Jamieson really wants to know 100%. That would make sense.

  410. Jandy says:

    Well, HM…what did you think I meant?

    I was thinking what you were shaking :P

  411. Jandy says:



  412. theplanisworking says:

    Yet another reason to not blindly say he was a lock to get here in June and contribute. ( Not saying you did, Jim). This would be terrible news if he needs any type of procedure. Hoping for the best………..

  413. hockeymonster says:

    :shaking head:

  414. hockeymonster says:

    Jim, how many younger power pitchers don’t tommy john? Wouldn’t it almost be better to get it out of the way asap?

  415. Jim S. says:

    Hopefully, just precautionary. If my elbow, which might be worth $100 million eventually, was sore I’d probably want more than 1 doctor to tell me if anything was serioiusly wrong.

  416. Jim S. says:

    I believe the stat I heard a few weeks ago was approx. 1/3 get it.

  417. Jim S. says:

    How do you know what he was shaking?

  418. hockeymonster says:

    Oh thats it? Thought i was much higher for power pitchers.

  419. Jim S. says:

    As I read further along in my tweets (I had not checked since late night), it turns out about a half dozen Pens fans showed up and at DK’s pizza.

  420. hockeymonster says:

    Zactly! Ya jandy how do you know? :)

  421. Jim S. says:

    You know I’m kidding ya! I even like soccer. So, I’m often an outcast.

  422. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, Lucky! They’ll need all the good thoughts they can muster tomorrow.

  423. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, I know you were kidding, Jim!!
    As you can tell from my posts, I like probably more different sports than almost anyone on here.

    Even Buggee likes badminton………..

  424. hockeymonster says:

    If that’s the most bucs need to pay him on one contract…they should sign in blood now…

  425. Thundercrack says:

    You called me Lord and Master of the Blog and said I was playing God by telling others what to do. But yet you say my post at 9:01 was out of line.

    I was making a point. And I did it without naming anyone directly. And I think my point has somewhat been proven. { I think it would be fun to try and further prove my point going a whole week without the constant greetings/salutations/good nights/videos/etc. }

    And I thought when it was said that this blog should be all inclusive, it was meant that it should include all sports. No one complains when people talk about the NBA or soccer or any other sport.

  426. NMR says:

    Coincidentally, this article was just released by FanGraphs:

  427. Jandy says:

    welp, if we’re being honest here, he did type :shaking head: ^^ there.

    I assumed he was expressing his fatherly disapproval by shaking his cranium.

    So, you tell ME, Monster Mash, what were you shaking and why????


  428. Jandy says:

    that’s pretty cool :)

  429. Jim S. says:

    I think 2012 was a career year. That torrid streak he was on right before the All Star break is likely something we’ll never see again from him. That was as hot as I have ever seen a Buc hitter for a month or more straight that I can recall in my lifetime.

    Really, if you look at last year’s stats vs. 2012, they were not all that different as I recall. Basically, about 10 of his HR from 2012 became doubles last year. The batting avg. and OBP were pretty close to 2012, I think. I know he cut down his K’s last year by a lot.

    I hope he can be even better, but I’m not so sure.

  430. Jandy says:

    actually this is the most complaining I’ve seen and I’m not talkin’ bout Plan


  431. Jandy says:

    well then for sure, no thanks :D

  432. hockeymonster says:

    Nice. I know less than nothing about pitching, but seems like Cole throws an easy 100mph. But smaller pitchers might need to exert more energy. At first glance looks like that article doesn’t include 95-99mph though. So i guess numbers would be more than 1/3 if you include them?

  433. hockeymonster says:

    Why you gettin defensive? It’s ok dear…my cranium aint mad at ya ;)

  434. NMR says:

    Ha, your “next to nothing” is about as much as anybody knows about pitcher injuries, IMO. Spot on.

    And you could very well be correct if the 95-99 mph pitchers were also studied.

  435. NMR says:

    Do people really need to qualify every statement about when minor leaguers will be called by including a minor caveat about having his elboy reconstructed?

    Pretttty sure thats understood.

  436. Jandy says:

    I’m not the least defensive, sweetie. Thus the wink at the end of my post. If I were upset, you’d see a :( or >:<

    you still didn't clarify what you were shaking??

  437. Brandie says:

    DAYUM GIRL!!!!! Talk about digressions!

  438. hockeymonster says:

    The more i think about it the more i’m thinking we should try to rest Orpik, scuderi, nisky, sid, adams and maybe sutter in some sort of rotation. I got no problem seeing what harrington, dumoulin, bennett, ebbett, maybe sill and harry z, can do for a game or 2 as mix or match situation. There’s no downside and long term its best for all their developments. Especially under this scenerio where Despres, bortuzzo, maatta and engo at RW could get some reps and ice time in difficult situations. Chances are the younger dmen will be put in dzone starts they might not normally see. Between that and the forwards possibly having depth issues they’ll be tested and we’ll be able to see whats what for this post season and next training camp.

  439. Jandy says:

    Hush, Sistah, I’m enjoying this immensely ;)

  440. Jandy says:

    At this point, anything is a plus. It’s just ridiculous right now.

  441. Arriba Wilver says:

    JAL schooled me a while ago that curves were more responsible for elbow problems than throwing hard.

  442. hockeymonster says:

    What’s on 2nd.

  443. Jandy says:

    Wuss ;)

  444. hockeymonster says:

    Don’t you have work to do?

  445. Brandie says:

    Just caught that Buggee. Thanks man! Now let us get the Pens to rise again!

  446. Jandy says:

    Wuss :P


  447. theplanisworking says:

    Well, being many people get all excited about top prospects, and seem to always say this person, or that person is a “lock”, I guess we do have to qualify.

    I have always taken the position that prospects should be talked about very carefully, given the low% that actually make it to the bigs. I thought it was comical the number of people that were talking about Polanco and Taillon making the big club this year, as if it were written in stone.

    Polanco could hurt his knee. Taillon could have elbow problems. Obviously 2 things here: 1) I dont want anything bad to happen to either of them, 2) lets wait until these kids show they are ready to be called up even if healthy.

    Sorry to be the wet dishcloth.

  448. Thundercrack says:

    There’s been a few articles written over the past few weeks regarding so many pitchers getting hurt.

    Someone had mentioned Tom Glavine and how he didn’t get hurt until the very end of his career (and it might not have been his arm). Some baseball people said that pitchers don’t run enough. They should build up their legs more. And that if they lift weights, they shouldn’t be ‘power lifting’ and nothing over their head.

    Mike Stanton is on MLB XM now. ( he is really good). He said he now runs a pitching academy. He thinks one of the things that contributes to these injuries is that kids pitch too much in their high school years. Too many all-star and traveling teams. He thinks their bodies are not developed enough & the excessive throwing is damaging to their joints…that are not developed enough.

  449. NMR says:

    You’re not saying anything all of us don’t already know, plan.

    I think it’s fairly obvious that a catastrophic injury will push back a prospects ETA.

  450. Arriba Wilver says:

    I know you aren’t going to believe this, but while I didn’t think about WAR, and didn’t project exactly what he would do, yes, I thought he was the real deal almost from day 1. I saw Clemente, I saw Stargell, I saw Parker and Bonds. And I saw the guys from 1992 on. Cutch was special almost from the first day he stepped on the field at PNC. And lots of people around the league knew it right away. I think he’s in that class I mentioned. Marte may be a Bonilla or an Al Oliver, but Cutch is the man.

    As a side note, I saw him early on in Altoona and wasn’t overly impressed. He was different on the big stage IMHO, almost immediately.

  451. Nate83 says:

    I don’t know my arm hurts after throwing 67 on the radar gun at the amusement park and it’s a straight fastball.

    Seriously I think curveballs are much more damaging then any fastball. I’m surprised it wasn’t mentioned in the fangraph story. It was actually interesting that those pitchers had a 25% compared to a league wide 33%. Maybe that’s because they are throwing less curveballs. Why throw off speed when you consistently hit 97-98 with your fastball

  452. NMR says:

    Had to read that twice to figure out why in the heck Mike Stanton is running a pitching academy and not a hitting academy. Old man brain.

  453. Eric Bowser says:

    you get 4 non-emergency recalls after the trade deadline…. teams would be smart to use them wisely.

  454. hockeymonster says:

    I remember hearing Cubs GM say that he should be delivering pizza’s if Corey Patterson turns out to be a bust…that’s all i have to say about that.

  455. Sarah says:

    Wow – so you read “I actually think Sid’s less-than-Sid-like performances this year have to do with him getting sick of disco’s schtick, and playing with AHLers or 3rd liners and RS’s inability to find him a winger, and on and on….”

    And comprehended that I’d said Sid was going half-speed and throwing games!

    Excellent stuff.

  456. Jandy says:

    Cutch struggled in Altoona. I forget who it was that helped him figure things out. But I’m glad he did, cuz like you said, he’s the man !

  457. Jandy says:

    ahhh that puts a damper on things.

  458. hockeymonster says:

    Mistress Brandi, I’m authorizing you to get Jandiskova in line.

  459. theplanisworking says:

    Little Ceasar’s ??? ;)

  460. Jandy says:


    Monster Mash, you are sooooo funneh!


  461. Jandy says:

    Well, friends and frenemies ;)
    I must get some heavy paperwork done here before I leave. Need total concentration.

    (Monster Mash, you get your wish)

    Let’s hope the Pens do better this evening in Columbus.

    I’ll be watching

  462. theplanisworking says:

    This was all over the Fan this morning.

    All I can say is……………. this sort of thing has been going on at many schools for many years. Very sad, but very true.

    And on that downer of an NCAA note, good day everyone
    (even you, Mrs. Parks).

  463. Jim S. says:

    Sorry, Monster. I didn’t hear a breakout by type of thrower or reliever vs. starter. I just heard 33%. I see NMR has posted an article that is probably worth reading.

  464. Jim S. says:

    I’ve always wondered that as well, AW. On one hand, I can see why a curve would be more damaging because of the twisting action. On the other hand, fastballs are more “max effort.”

  465. Nate83 says:

    It’s really no different then any of the current 25 men being injured. Everything pointed towards those two men being with the team in the middle of the year. It is no more crazy to talk about them contributing then it is to talk about Cutch, Alvarez, Gabby or Barmes contributing. Now if you want to talk about what level of performance people expect them to contribute then that makes more sense.

    I personally don’t expect Polanco to come in and offer much of an upgrade offensively in his first year. I do think defensively he will add something just by stepping on the field. Taillon I have no expectations of at all. It’s almost impossible to project how a pitcher will do in the majors his first year. He could be as good as Cole and Wacha and he just as easily could struggle and be no better then our 5th starter.

  466. hockeymonster says:

    Goc isn’t on IR yet. And i think we’re carrying under the limit.

  467. Jim S. says:

    That might be the old “d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don’t” conundrum, TC.

    Kids that pitch too much are more likely to damage their arms. Seems perfectly logical.

    On the other hand, if you don’t throw enough, scouts may not see enough potential in you and you don’t get drafted or offered a scholarship.

    I can see why kids overthrow sometimes, and why their parents tacitly (or overtly, in some cases) endorse it.

  468. hockeymonster says:


  469. bpn8pitt says:


    Thanks for sharing that NMR. Been following that occasionally. Dont even where to begin at that one. So much for APA format.

  470. Nate83 says:

    My neighbors son is 11 and a very good pitcher for his age. His father is very knowledgeable not only about baseball but fitness. He is constantly monitoring the amount of pitches he throws and has on a number of occasions came out and told his son to stop playing catch with my son or ease up on how hard he is throwing because he had pitched earlier that day or has to pitch the next day.

    He is on travel teams and his dad insist he doesn’t pitch more then 3-4 innings and he does not pitch to often. He actually pulled him off a team because of the pitchers being overused. He can throw a curveball but his dad doesn’t want him throwing in games or much while practicing until he matures. He does a ton of exercises prior to throwing any pitches as well. I tend to agree with everything my neighbor is doing with his son. 11 years old is to young to be putting that much stress on your arm.

  471. Jim S. says:

    There are two footballs. :-)

  472. Bizrow says:

    hockeymonster, you are asking the impossible ;-)

  473. Nate83 says:

    It’s just sad. Some of these athletes are getting a chance to earn something that they otherwise may not have had a chance to do without their athletic ability. Instead of doing what’s right for these young men and women and having them get as much value out of their education possible they are just being waved through with passing grades. It would be interesting to know what happens to the majority of college athletes which don’t move on to play professional sports when they leave college with a college scholarship many didn’t earn but instead had it handed to them.

  474. Jim S. says:

    +++, Nate.

  475. Jim S. says:

    I’d like to see the Royals to rise up and overtake them this year.

  476. Thundercrack says:

    Stanton said that there is a reason the jockeys are so small in horse racing. It is because the horses -even though they can be up to 3 yrs old – are not done growing and fully formed.
    They want to have less weight on the horse – and lessen the pressure on their joints.

    And Jim S, I think Stanton was saying that throwing (playing catch/long toss) was OK for kids. But actual ‘pitching’ puts too much pressure on their bodies at an early age.

    Stanton’s cohost (i think it was Jody Macdonald) said there is a HS baseball coach in the Philly/Jersey area that will ask everyone who comes out for the team “Do you pitch”. The kids know that if they don’t pitch they won’t play much. Something like 14 of the 18 kids on the team pitch. The coach says that he does that because he doesn’t want to be accused later of over-working the pitchers. He doesn’t want a kid to come back a few years later and tell him he is the reason the kid blew out his arm. He uses them all to pitch.
    I guess a kid that was a catcher decided not to play on that H.S. team because he didn’t want to pitch and went on to play for some other leagues….and ended up with a scholarship anyway.

  477. Jim S. says:

    I will side with AW on this one, Nate. I thought Cutch was going to be a better hitter when he showed up in Pgh than Marte when he showed up in Pgh.

    That is not to say Marte is not a terrific player, because I think he is. And, there are things he does better than Cutch IMO (throwing and defense in general, baserunning). But, Cutch was a year younger while hitting better as a rookie. His strike zone management was and is better than Marte’s. I thought his upside was greater than for Starling.

  478. NMR says:

    I don’t mean to get on my old man soapbox, but the worst part of this whole situation is that the kid could only muster 146 words worth of knowledge about Rosa Parks. I don’t know, maybe kids don’t need to learn these lessons anymore, maybe race is less of an issue to their generation.

  479. Jim S. says:


  480. TJA says:

    Hi All – Late to the party today and you may have discussed this, but I just heard that Barry Lamar Bonds will be on the field on Opening Day to present “Cutch” with his MVP award and Jimmy Leyland to give Clint his. No problems with the Leyland/Hurdle deal, but Bonds? Whoever thought of this idea should be fired…today! I loved Bonds as a player when he was here…truly did…but this stuff after he left here…..Hmmm……

  481. Arriba Wilver says:

    Groat’s also going to be there to lessen the boos. ;-)

  482. TJA says:

    I saw that, Arriba……and that indeed helps. I have a buddy who wants to put him in the lineup Monday! Good Lord…no!

  483. Jim S. says:

    Trib tweeted a link to a story about the Pirates saying their season ticket sales have increased by 40%, although they did not give actual figures. They are at the 2nd highest level ever for PNC Park.

    I like when PNC Park is rocking. They say they expect to eclipse their 23 sellouts from last year. I would bet just about every Fri/Sat after May 1 will be a sellout.

  484. Arriba Wilver says:

    Dick Groat, not our Groat. ;-)

  485. Thundercrack says:

    Guess who else is going to be there Opening Day?!

    Jack Wilson.

  486. cmat0829 says:

    Blog as always very entertaining today… what I learned:

    1) Tigers signing Cabrera was: a great example of how a rich owner should run his club; the fault of the NHL salary cap; a stupid move to go 10 years on a player who will inevitably decline before then. My take: Much better signing than the Angels signing Hamilton and Pujols, but let’s be clear… even for ‘rich’ owners, there is a limit to what they will spend. Otherwise, Ilitch would just give Scherzer (and the almighty Scott Boras) exactly what they want and who cares what the payroll is. So Cabrera is a Tiger for 10 years and Max will leave Detroit.

    2) Pirates presser for Marte was ‘embarrassing’. To me, press conferences are just that… for the press, on topics that are of high interest to expedite the news gathering. The other affect is that the message gets broadcasted out to those interested in the manner the Pirates intend. The Marte signing made the top stories links on ESPN.COM, so I see no issue whatsoever chiding the Pirates for having the press conference. If some want to laugh at the gap between the Pirates and the Tigers, then go ahead. It’s a reality that the baseball market is separated between the haves and have nots…. and then also the spend and spend nots. Sometimes those lists are not perfect overlaps… for example, the Braves do not spend more than their budget though they probably have the $$… and the Mets severely underspend revenue. Balances out the Tigers of the world.

    3) Riverhounds Chapter 11 is either an ominous sign of soccer’s inability to succeed in Pittsburgh or a shrewd, pre-planned business move. I don’t think it is either…. but let’s be clear, bankruptcy is NEVER a good business thing to do…. it harms creditors and future credibility…. if they had to fund their own stadium then so be it, but there is potential harm to creditors and that is not how you do business. Will soccer without MLS succeed in a city like Pittsburgh? Someone would have to show me comparable situations where it has… if this owner would appear on SharkTank and ask for investment, I couldn’t see any of them doing it. There, that is my perfect predictor of business viability…Shark Tank. ha…

  487. TJA says:

    Jack Flash! No if he can still play…that’s a guy to put back in the lineup, TC

  488. Thundercrack says:

    Don’t get me started TJA


  489. cmat0829 says:

    based on home attendance last year, on those lean April/May weeknights, I’d guess last year’s base of tickets sold (not quite the same as season tickets, but…..) was about 8500-9000…. if this is 40% higher this year, then the base is more like 12,000-12,500…. this is a nice increase and as the article stated, makes tickets for the higher demand games much more scarce then before.

    IF the Pirates are gonna increase revenue, they need to get the ticket prices up some…. and to do that, they need to get demand up. Baby steps, but progress…..

  490. Jim S. says:

    LeGarette Blount reportedly set to sign a 2 year deal with the Steelers.

    He won’t be the best Blount we’ve ever had, but hopefully he can help the running game next year.

  491. TJA says:

    This should be an Opening Day unlike any other we have seen in years. Jim, I heard that 40% number on the Mueller and Starkey Show on “The Fan”. I also thought was Startkey said was true….so many are worried about what the Pirates don’t have comin ginto this season and forget about what they do have. It’s a good point.

  492. I AM going to be there.

    If you see security chasing some handsome guy around the infield, that means I made it onto the field with Dick Groat.

  493. TJA says:

    Heading out for the weekend. take care everyone and talk again on Monday.

  494. Arriba Wilver says:

    If only they would invite Perry Hill, your second favorite Pirate.

  495. Jandy says:

    hey Biz, did you catch this? An other Loonie for the Asylum :)

    Brian Johnson
    March 28, 2014 at 8:44 AM

    The place I call home these days in Perth, Ontario. Thanks for the nice comment, Jandy.

  496. cmat0829 says:

    where did you hear that bonds was gonna be there? that would SHOCK me, for a number of reasons, mostly on the Pirates side but I also can’t see Barry doing that….maybe he is really a ‘new person’ after all? LOL, he’s a jackass and always will be.

  497. Jandy says:

    Have a good weekend, Justice :)

  498. cmat0829 says:

    let’s just hope that LeGarrette lays off the blunts….cue Ryan Clark on that one….

  499. Bizrow says:

    No, thanks

  500. Bizrow says:

    Now at 456

  501. Jim S. says:

    Didn’t you hear? He’s a good guy now. The Giants said so when they started his reputation rehabilitation tour in Spring Training.

  502. Nate83 says:

    I assumed you look just like your avatar.

  503. Jim S. says:

    C’mon, now. No one’s going to be chasing the legendary Dick Groat around the infield. :-)

  504. Arriba Wilver says:

    I love Shark Tank. ;-)

  505. Nate83 says:

    I’m sure he has his moments but I don’t think he is as bad as he portrayed himself to the media. He didn’t like or trust them. I know there are stories about altercations with some teammates but if they had really been that bad I can’t imagine the Giants who would have been aware of all of it would bring him back in any capacity at all.

  506. Milo Hamilton says:

    A skinny 49 year old Barry Bonds would still give us more production at 1st base than Ishikawa/Gaby. I say we sign the guy.

  507. Jim S. says:

    He’s pulling a McGwire. By that, I mean he’s trying to rehab his image in the hope of someday getting in the HOF.

    McGwire was nowhere near as bad as Bonds, image-wise, and I still don’t think he’s any closer to the HOF.

  508. Jandy says:


  509. Jim S. says:

    I don’t know, Nate. The stories are legendary, from coast to coast.

  510. Jandy says:

    Yeah, and I’m Mother Theresa ;)

  511. Jim S. says:


  512. Jim S. says:

    DK tweeted something about them quickly announcing Bonds’ name in the middle of a group of names of likeable ex-Bucs.

  513. NMR says:

    One thing I wish more people – other than Dejan who gets it – gave the Hounds credit for is the fact that they actually built their stadium WITHOUT public money.

    A bit harder to make a go of it when the citizens of Allegheny County aren’t helping you rake in millions of dollars.

  514. Jim S. says:

    Good story, TC. I like Stanton on MLB XM. I think he’s good.

  515. NMR says:

    Speaking of, so much for those Mike Carp dreams.

    Jackie Freaking Bradley sh*t the bed so bad that not only did he lose his job to Grady Sizemore (remember him?!) but also didn’t even make the 25-man roster. Without Bradley, Carp has a spot.

    All these kids had to do was show a pulse and have a big league job handed to them…

  516. NMR says:

    Let’s hope Frank Coonelly was not the Trib’s source…

  517. Thundercrack says:

    Don’t the Red Sox know that Spring Training doesn’t matter?!


  518. NMR says:

    Fans are insatiable, TJA. Even knowing that, it still surprises me how many focus on the few holes that are currently present when it was the opposite for decades.

  519. Arriba Wilver says:

    They did build it without public money, but then they went to the government for relief because it wasn’t viable. Hey, I recognize that, and I hope they make it in the short and long run, but in the present context, it sounds a little hollow as a defense.

  520. NMR says:

    Leave it up to a couple saber-savvy Amherst GM’s to go all old school, right?

  521. cmat0829 says:

    just cue up the Spring Training ’91 ( or was it ’92) of Jim Leyland’s expletive-ridden rant against Mr. Bonds… I think that says it all. And the is only “changing” because the selfish prick has something to gain (HOF) by changing his image. I will turn off the TV if and when they show Barry on Monday…

  522. Thundercrack says:

    Were there some tax credits or tax breaks given to them for building their stadium?

    And I do like the fact that they didn’t have their hand out to the tax payers.
    But I don’t think that I can give them credit yet for building their own stadium while they are in Chapter 11…for building their own stadium

  523. bpn8pitt says:

    He may be the second guy on kick returns. Thats why I like him and Moats. Good backups, but with some ST ability. If they do get a WR, I hope he has some ST speed too.

    Dammit, a Tomlinism. “Position flexibilty”. Sorry, Jim. :)

  524. Jim S. says:

    “A skinny 49 year old Barry Bonds”

    Your ability to turn a phrase never fails, Milo.

  525. bpn8pitt says:

    “All these kids had to do was show a pulse and have a big league job handed to them…”

    ++, NMR

    Have a good weekend, man.

  526. Arriba Wilver says:

    He was at least as bad as he was portrayed. That is all.

  527. Jim S. says:

    And, maybe put up a ST slash line of .280/.330/.750? :-)

  528. Arriba Wilver says:

    You’re just saying that because we are friends. ;-)

  529. Jim S. says:

    You’re starting to like soccer, NMR. Admit it.

  530. Dom says:

    You’re going to drink me???

  531. And don’t work all weekend, NMR.

  532. NMR says:

    Just making up with my man, DK. Figured busting his chops for a year straight was long enough. ;)

  533. NMR says:

    They did receive a tax break, which I also detest. But baby steps.

  534. NMR says:

    You too, buddy.

    And Lucky, I’m taking Saturday off! See you and all my favorite yinzers(used as a term of endearment) on Sunday.

  535. Jim S. says:

    It is a good point, TJA. How quickly perceptions change. Going into last year, we just wanted 82 wins. Now we want so much more.

  536. BillyBaduka says:

    “Amish kid on Rumspringa”

    Good stuff thanks for the laugh.

    (Please excuse the diversion from sports TC.)

  537. BillyBaduka says:



  538. d says:


    Typical response, would expect nothing less :) Please don’t ever change, the world needs people like you too.

  539. BillyBaduka says:


    Have a good weekend NMR.

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