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By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Morning, Lunatics …


>> The Monday column from the site of tonight’s Game 3 blows right by all the other debate points of the Penguins in these playoffs and gets right to the two players who should be making the biggest difference.


Being completely candid here, it’s always been how I hoped Consol would turn out and, sadly, didn’t. There’s a lot to like about Consol on the inside, but it all apparently came at the expense of quality design on the outside. The only plus to that for Pittsburgh is that it’s relatively hidden now and will be more so in the future.

Columbus’ hockey growth is covered by our Jason Mackey.

The city’s excitement over the franchise’s first playoff win, by Craig Merz.

And here’s some of what the Blue Jackets’ Boone Jenner told me about what will be the biggest hockey game ever played in Ohio:

Marc-Andre Fleury has been a bright spot, by Josh Yohe.

The defense’s lack of time together is showing, by Rob Rossi.

Injury updates on Brian Gibbons and Marcel Goc, by Rossi.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Penguins page, our Chipped Ice blog and our photo gallery.

Here’s Blue Jackets news from the team’s official site.

Here are official game highlights on

>> So folks went to a baseball game, and a hockey game broke out. The Pirates lost to the Brewers again, but all the buzz was about that big brawl, by Travis Sawchik.

All I’ll add to that, since I was driving to Columbus as this happened and wasn’t covering, is that I share Gerrit Cole’s view that he needs to be smarter in the future, whether a guy’s the hugest dirtbag in the world or not. It’s no way to live.

Here’s video of the brawl:

Clint Hurdle stands behind Jason Grilli, by Sawchik.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page, our Bucco Blog and our photo gallery.

Here’s Brewers news from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

Here’s Reds news from the Cincinnati Enquirer.

Here are official game highlights on

>> The longevity of the Steelers’ recent draft picks is examined by Mark Kaboly.

>> Reminder: Our weekly chat will be tomorrow at 1 p.m.

>> Thank you, as always, for reading.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. DJ says:

    Another nice column, DK. We all had a sense of Sid’s and Geno’s “droughts” but seeing the stats is sobering.

    Time for the Bucs to put their 6-shooters in the holsters and start racking up some wins.

  2. Baywatch says:

    I also am glad to hear that Cole hopefully won’t be behaving that way next time a guy flips his bat to admire his home run. Like others, I enjoyed the fireworks and adrenaline of the brawl – but people could get hurt and mess up their careers as a result. All those people out there, ready to dook it out in SUNGLASSES?

  3. Cal Hammer says:

    Where in the heck was our MVP .250 HITTER CUTCH

  4. Bizrow says:

    Once again, nuttin like reading the real Trib, so I will pass

    Tough weekend for our clubs

    Its early ;-)

    I officially hope, and will no more say expect the worst.

    Lets see what happens

    And please, I don’t know the arguments, but let em stop

  5. Cal Hammer says:

    Where the heck was our MVP .250 HITTER CUTCH I’ll bet ya Snider catches that ball even without the SUN GLASSES!!!

  6. Reading says:

    Great column, DK. But, did you know that Crosby collected two assists in Game 2 giving him 108 playoff points, and putting him in third place on the Penguins’ all-time list?

    DK: Do tell! :)

    Pretty sad stuff, huh? They actually have someone on staff who’s tasked with addressing anything on social media that they perceive as ‘negative.’ Astoundingly controlling about what they consider to be their branding, while simultaneously being too arrogant to realize people can see right through it.

    Not at all the Penguins I’d known in the past.

  7. Reading says:

    If I do say so myself, I’m a pretty funny dude sometimes.

  8. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I just saw “self proclaimed” tough guy Carlos Gomez on ESPN saying he’s not going to apologize to anyone.
    Please don’t!
    No one needs any pseudo apologies from a guy that has a history of causing this type of disturbance.
    Meanwhile….Killer type extraordinaire, sucker punch specialist Martin Maldonado sat on the bench with a grin on his face after administering a potential kill shot to Travis Snider.
    Both of these criminals (along with “holder” Ricky Weeks) need to take a long, unpaid vacation courtesy of MLB.
    I’m watching and waiting to see if they’ll do the right thing.
    Maldonado (in particular) should’ve spent the night in a Pittsburgh jail.
    He belongs there…..

  9. Tom P. says:

    After Saturday’s game, the Pirates were 8-10. They had one 8-10 segment in the middle of last season. Obviously, they are not playing real well right now. Maybe they are getting their bad streak out of the way early this year. I’ll reserve judgment until after about 54 games.

  10. Brandie says:


    Thanks for the sobering column. The opposition has figured the Penguins out,pure and simple. This is where we see if Dan Bylsma can flat out coach depending on the adjustments made to the lines and the grinders and superstars ability to put themselves in the best position to win, period.

    About the hockey brawl during the baseball game, let’s see if that was enough to get our men of summer playing as a cohesive unit, both offensively and defensively. Gerrit Cole is right…he needs to be more professional in situations such as that. All the victories from last year don’t matter much if the Brewers continue to torture this gram’s collective Psyche. The Pirates are at the adult’s table because they earned their place. Time

  11. Brandie says:

    Finishing that thought…Time for our Pirates to act like they belong and handle their business…same message goes to the Pens.

    Hello everyone.

  12. Brandie says:

    For Revvie…Gram’s equals team’s.

  13. Sam says:

    Not much different from newspapers who write attention grabbing headlines to draw in readers that in many cases is not completely reflective of the article that follows. Most companies crawl social media to determine public reactions and devised PR/marketing strategies accordingly. What makes the Pens so different from others you cover or are aware of?

  14. radio wave says:

    For those of us at thegame it was not clear as to why the Brewers coach was thrown out.

  15. JoeyBats says:

    BUCCOS — Down on the Farm
    (We’ll try to keep you apprised of how some of the top prospects are doing; …..this week the position players. Games played through April 20).

    RF — Gregory “the Great” Polanco — Triple A – Indy – Bats : L
    .406/ .449 / .626 … HR 2, RBI 16… G 16 , AB 64, R 11, H 26, K 7, BB 4, SB…1
    1B – Andrew Lambo – Triple A – Indy – Bats: L
    .289 / .418/ .422 … HR 0, RBI 7… G 9, AB 45, R 8, H 13, K 11, BB 9, SB 3
    3B – Stetson Allie – Double A – Altoona – Bats: R
    .205 / .300 / .409 …HR 2, RBI 5, ….G 8, AB 44, R 6, H 9, K 10, BB 6, SB 1
    SS – Alan Hanson – Double A – Altoona – Bats: S
    .204/ .259/ .296 … HR 0 RBI 2,… G 13, AB 54, R 6, H 11, K 13, BB 4, SB 5
    OF – Josh Bell – Single A – Bradenton – Bats: S
    .283 / .333 / .473…. HR 1, RBI 4…. G 14, AB 53, R 4, H 15, K 9, BB 5, SB…0
    3B -Wyatt Mathisen – Single A – West Virginia – Bats: R
    .209 / .294 / .233….. HR 0 RBI 3,… G 14, AB 43, R 4, H 9, K 4, BB 5, SB 1
    C – Reese McGuire – Single A – West Virginia – Bats : L
    .216 / .275 / .243 …..HR 0, RBI 4 ,…. G 10 , AB 37, R 4, H 8, K 6, BB 2, SB 0
    OF – Austin Meadows –XXXXXXXXX – Bats: L (Injured…rehabbing)
    BEAT ‘EM BUCS !! (sometimes….you even have to exchange punches … ;-)

  16. Thundercrack says:

    I believe Andrew Lambo was back to playing in the outfield.

  17. JoeyBats says:

    They keep bouncing Lambo back & forth… the SAT game he was back @ 1B.
    For some unknown reason…..Indy plays Chase D’Arnaud in LF …. !

    Good point though…I’ll list him 1B/OF for future reference.

  18. Thundercrack says:

    I think they hope Chase D’Arnaud turns into a super utility player.

  19. DJ says:

    I imagine there’s been a lot of focus on branding since 2009. No real alternative.

    Speaking of one player but applicable to several, pretty sad when the coach says he’s looking for the 2009 playoffs version of a player.

    Got to get one back tonight.

  20. JAL says:

    JAL’s Rising for the Moon Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 BFFL’s 2014 Pirates Stats Spreadsheet

    4 Pirates Prospects

    Pittsburgh Pirates Organizational Probable Pitching Chart

    BLOGS and such

    5—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: What Should the Pirates Do With Jason Grilli?

    Prospect Watch: One Big Inning Sinks Indianapolis

    What the future holds for Andrew Lambo

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Pirates lose 3-2 in 14-inning game that features bases-clearing brawl

    Postgame reaction: Carlos Gomez blames Travis Snider for brawl

    7 Rumbunter

    Photo: Pirates Brewers Brawl, What Everyone Was Thinking

    Pirates GM Neal Huntington Show Notes

    8 Green Weenie

    Bucs Brawl But Brewers Win 3-2 In Fourteen

    4/20: Steve Swetonic, Gus Suhr, Rip Sewell, Starg, Teke, Ohlie & More…


    Game 19: Brewers 3 Pirates 2

    10 City of Champions

    Pittsburgh Pirates: Brewers’ Khris Davis Sends Pirates To Crushing Loss In 14th

  21. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 CBS Sports

    Pirates vs Reds Game Preview

    12 Chicago Sun Times

    Cubs lose another series as Reds provide lesson in situational hitting

    13 Beaver County Times

    Pirates Insider: Brewers 3, Pirates 2 (14)

    14 Pirates Site

    Pirates fall in 14 innings due to Brewers’ late blasts

    Benches clear in Brewers-Pirates finale

    15 SB Nation

    Brewers vs. Pirates score update: Brawl breaks out after Carlos Gomez triple

    16 Cincinnati Enquirer

    Reds’ Zack Cozart finally joins hit parade

    17 Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

    Carlos Gomez won’t apologize for brawl, vows to appeal suspension

    18 St. Louis Post Dispatch

    Nothing ‘clean’ about Cardinals’ defense

    19 Fangraphs

    The Rise of the Offensive Catcher

    20 Baseball Prospectus

    Daily League Strategy Bargain-Bin Starters

  22. TJA says:

    Hope everyone had a good Easter. Go Pens and oh yea…I still hate the Brewers. Agree w/Tom above….maybe they get this out of their system.

  23. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Art Rooney gives his ok on Steelers selection of Terry Bradshaw in 1970

    Finding three starters per draft the key to sustained success


    22 Bloomberg Stats Insight

    Brendan Rodgers – Keeping Liverpool’s Opponents Guessing

    23 BBC Football

    Liverpool edge closer to title

    Premier League: Garth Crooks’s Team of the Week

    24 World Soccer

    Roma think big with plans for new stadium


    25 Pensburgh

    Because It’s the Nap. Blue Jackets 4, Penguins 3 (2 OT)

  24. Wild Bill says:

    Ugly sports weekend. Just ugly. DK is on point about Crosby and Malkin, and Cutch had nothing for us yesterday. The good news is, all of them are capable of turning that abound as soon as tonight, and here’s hoping they do!

  25. tdb1977 says:

    May all the runners successfully complete this years Boston Marathon today. May there be no issues during the race. The weather looks great from Hopkinton to Boston today. Good luck too everyone running today.

  26. DJ says:

    DK: On Nationwide Arena, what do the players say about the ice surface? I’ve seen a lot of hopping pucks at Consol the last few games.

    Was at a Pens-Isles playoff game last spring at Nassau Coliseum. Although a complete dump (no revelation there), seemed like the ice was outstanding.

  27. Zico says:

    I agree it is time for Crosby and Malkin to step up and produce some goals. However, I think it is also the coaches job to best put his players in a position to succeed. After the third or fourth cross-zone pass attempt by Crosby on a PP that ended up intercepted or blocked, you’d like to think coaching would even approach the “best player in the world” and tell him to simplify his game a bit (Or make an adjustment at all). High-risk plays are not how one wins a playoff game, or series. Not every goal has to be spectacular, nor every pass or every deke. Keep it simple, work hard, and your talent will rise above.

  28. Jandy says:


  29. Jandy says:

    Don’t hold your breath, Daq…and I agree with you!

  30. Jandy says:


  31. Jandy says:

    I’ll drink to that!

    I also want to say, DJ, I caught up on some comments last evening, and I very much appreciated yours from last week. You get me, you really do. Thanks :)

  32. Jandy says:

    Hi Justice, missed having you around, good to see you :)

  33. Jandy says:


    21, are you running?

  34. d says:


    While I agree with what you wrote about Sid and Malkin, I totally disagree with Rossi’s page long, excuse ridden, and I don’t even want to call it an article because I would be doing a huge disservice to real sports writers everywhere. Are you sure he doesn’t work for the Penguins??? That guy has an excuse for every Disco Dani bad coaching decision, poor player performance, and even will make an excuse if the cheese on the nacho’s isn’t hot enough. Even Yohe has the stones to write the truth (read negative comments) about the Pens from time to time. But, Rossi is just the epitome of a, and I don’t even think he deserves the right to be called a sportswriter, person that is waaaay to enamored with everything even remotely associated with the Pens. Sad!

  35. Jandy says:

    I posted this ^^ there, DJ, but wanted to make sure you saw it:

    I also want to say, DJ, I caught up on some comments last evening, and I very much appreciated yours from last week. You get me, you really do. Thanks :)

  36. Karen22 says:

    One can only hope…the pitching trends (see: Wandy, Grilli, Gomez, & the rest of the starters at times) are disturbing thus far. And the fact that we play all divisional opponents the entire month can put us behind the eight ball early. These games count BIG.

  37. Karen22 says:

    Amen to that, Ms. Brandie. What a disastrous sports weekend for the Burgh. But, WOW, the weather sure was nice! Time for a RESURRECTION…a day late!

  38. hockeymonster says:

    I was always under the impression that was jandy’s job. Could’ve fooled me…

  39. Jandy says:

    I got fired.

  40. hockeymonster says:

    Just glad you never had bold reaming access. :)

  41. 21sthebest says:

    Snider doesn’t deserve a suspension?

  42. Jandy says:

    LOL! My bark is way worse than my bite ;)

  43. Jandy says:

    Did I say he didn’t?

  44. Jandy says:

    Prolly something he said to the umpire lol

  45. Jandy says:

    You’re prolly responding to Daq, sorry, 21.
    But yeah, he does deserve one, but I’m still glad he did what he did.

    Bottom line tho, Brewers are in our heads, the Bucs need to rise above that.

  46. 21sthebest says:

    No but thanks for asking Jandy. They made qualifying tougher and I’m not getting any younger. Is that enough excuses?

    But I’ll be tracking 5 running friends that are there today, one of which finished 45 seconds ahead of the bomb going off last year.

  47. 21sthebest says:

    Yeah I was checking in with Daq. I’d have to check the video again but all Ricky Weeks did was hold Snider down. That’s what I’d want any Pirate to do if the situation was reversed.

    I also don’t have a problem with Cole mouthing off. After all, it did get Gomez tossed and probably suspended.

  48. Jandy says:

    Well, I’m sorry to hear that, but yeah, we’re none of us getting any younger. 45 seconds ahead of it…yikes!
    I hope your friends do well :)

  49. Jandy says:


  50. Dom says:

    I didn’t get that impression at all. Rossi said the following, “…Penguins defenders often have been caught backtracking, fumbling pucks and sometimes seeming completely out of position.”

    That doesn’t sound like he’s moving heaven and earth to make excuses to me.

  51. Tom P. says:

    Some trivia fun to provide a distraction from this weekend’s lack of success: according to my daily trivia calendar, in 19th century baseball lingo, what were a) cranks, b) behinds, and c) strikers? I will post the answers on tonight’s game thread.

  52. Jandy says:

    I checked, too, Dom. I saw what you saw…no idea where the other ideas came from…

  53. 21sthebest says:

    But I am doing Pittsburgh in 13 days. :-)

  54. Jandy says:

    This could get interesting! ;)

  55. Jandy says:

    Well, best of luck to you, then. I can’t run to save my soul. I envy you!

  56. Jim S. says:

    I thought he sort of jumped on his back.

  57. Jim S. says:

    Penguins depress me right now. Seems like the same old story in the playoffs. There is time to right the ship, but I’m not counting on it. If you lose to this team in this series, you fire the coach. There’s no other way around it.

    Teams like Chicago and St. Louis have to play each other in Rd 1 and we get Columbus – and we struggle to get past them? Can’t happen.

    91 pitches through 8 innings. 1 run allowed. Best pitcher on the team.

    Alternative is the guy who got bombed the night before, stepping in to face the exact same guy who bombed him the night before.

    BTW, Grilli since last July: .300 batting avg. against, .382 OB% against, .466 slugging average against. This weekend was not the start of him pitching poorly.

    I’m not saying give up on Grilli. But, he has not pitched well since July. It isn’t the end of the world to let your best pitcher finish a game where he is pitching great, even if he is only 23. Age does not automatically make you better in pressure situations, although every manager in the history of MLB seems to think that is the case.

    I wish someone had hidden the book from Clint yesterday.

  58. Jandy says:

    I was scratching my head when Hurdle didn’t leave Cole in, too, Jim. Disappointing.
    And I hate to see the Bucs lose to the friggin Brewers. Makes my stomach turn.
    And these Pens sure don’t seem to WANT to win.
    But, I’ll be watching both teams. I’m a sucker for punishment!

  59. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought he was trying to hold him back from hitting his player. Maldonado was the punk, in that he took advantage of it to sucker punch Snider. And, yes, Maldonado’s slide on Mercer was dirty, too. ;-)

  60. Lad 9 says:

    Without researching I will guess a) pitchers b) catchers c) batters. Seems to make sense, so I probably went 0 for 3, much like my baseball career.

  61. Jandy says:

    Good guesses, laddie!

  62. Tom P. says:

    I agree with you, Jim. I would have found someone else to pitch to Braun. Melancon, maybe. He has been effective, and when he gives up a hit to a right-handed batter, it tends to be a single the other way. That at least keeps Braun in the ballpark and makes someone else beat you. Having said that, it’s an easier decision from here than from along the third base line at PNC.

  63. Jim S. says:

    Me, too. I’ll be flipping back and forth tonight. I know it.

  64. hockeymonster says:

    Well when Rossi said pens new NZ system is vulnerable when forwards commit turnovers i was trying to figure out what system isn’t vulnerable to turnovers in NZ and blueline.

    And to me it seems like a lot of our turnovers are in the ozone when we force passes and spring rushes for columbus. But teams with talent will always try to make plays and passes. Other than PK, we haven’t given up that many odd man rushes.

  65. Jandy says:

    That’s what I want to hear :)

  66. Baywatch says:

    It’s early. :-)

  67. Thundercrack says:

    Well part of Grilli’s problem since last July was that he was hurt – or coming back from an injury.

    He doesn’t throw as hard – but his location is off. I think more work may actually help with that.

    And Braun is a pretty good hitter.

  68. 21sthebest says:


  69. Jandy says:

    but…excuse ridden? really?

  70. Jandy says:

    And there’s your silver lining! :)

    (Please attribute this to Brandie)

  71. Jandy says:

    TC’s sticking up for Grilli :)
    But you know, you do have a point…he did come back from injury, and sooner than expected last season. I’ll give him more time before writing him off.

  72. Jim S. says:

    I agree that it is much easier from my couch, Tom. I’m a big Hurdle supporter. But, IMO just about every manager has some blind spot where veteran pitchers are concerned.

    And, I’m not saying Grilli is awful or anything like that. But, he’s had an extended bad stretch since he got injured last summer. His velocity seems to usually be there, but he is leaving to many pitches out over the plate. It has to be more than a coincidence at this point. It is not as though this is Mariano Rivera and you let him work through it. He’s a guy who has had a spotty career. Why does he get the benefit of the doubt for so long? I say at least don’t send him out there after the same guy torched him the night before. Let Grilli close against the Reds tonight, but don’t send him out there yesterday afternoon against Braun.

    And, this is not hindsight being 20/20 on my part. I saw a tweet from Travis as the Bucs were batting in the 8th. He asked whether they should send Cole back out or go to Grilli. I was stunned that it was even a question. Now, if this were last year, and it was AJ, you can be darn sure he would have gotten the ball again in the 9th.

  73. tdb1977 says:

    Good luck in 2 weeks at PGH Marathon!


  74. 21sthebest says:

    Grilli ended the year with 8 consecutive scoreless outings including 3 in the playoffs. Last year with him is history to me. Travis wrote that his velocity at 93.4 with his fastball is the same as last year so for me, it’s all location. And it’s easy to see if you look at where the catcher’s glove starts and where it ends up on these hits.

    What really bothered me after the Braun homerun yesterday was how Grilli lost his composure, IMO. He kept missing spots badly.

  75. Jandy says:

    Are YOU running, tdb???

  76. Jandy says:

    That sounds more like a confidence, or “mojo” thing, then, 21.

  77. hockeymonster says:

    Ok wasn’t going to get into it but morning coffee got me jumpy so here it is:

    Don’t expect Columbus to back off into NZ as much as they did early in game 2. Be ready to deal with our puck retrievals being disrupted but even if they aren’t, you can expect their F2 and F3 to be in position to close gap on our forwards when we’re generating speed in support of dmen. Chips and flips into air and high off the glass into NZ and cross corner will be our friend in these cases. Forcing passes to forwards in those cases will be a trap and a turnover if we’re not on the lookout for them stepping up. Murphy dump into NZ with our forwards catching up to puck will get columbus forwards to back off and allow for more tape to tape passes.

    Then when we do get thru the NZ with speed and numbers I’d like to see a concerted effort to Center Land Drive and get POP plays. Lets shoot high early in the game to get BOB out of his crease cutting down angles, then we can crash the crease with center lane drive and POP plays. Pens got the message regarding POP a bit late on saturday night so here’s hoping there’s no lag time this time.

    And i got a whole host of ideas for set plays on PP but cant really sit here typing it all out. One thing i’d try to do is get 4 players high in ozone on PP while sid is down low. Then when he gets the puck down low his passing options are headed toward the net. This is the simple version of what i have in mind but all the other plays are a bit more elaborate. Needless to say if we see 4 forwards or our PP out there for more than a minute…Spock will not be happy.

  78. Thundercrack says:

    Their plan, and maybe it’s the same for the rest of the league is to bust Braun inside.
    Maybe they should re-think that. Go away. Far away.

  79. hockeymonster says:

    Well i dont buy the notion that these experienced pros and vets need more than 10-20 games to figure out what they need to do. Either way Jandster, time for talk has long passed. It’s winning time. Period.

  80. tdb1977 says:

    No, I’m not running. I’m from New England originally. I lived in New England for 23 years before moving to PGH. I’ve had friends run Boston numerous times. My sister has been completemplating running Boston and if she does run, I will be heading up to cheer her on.

  81. Thundercrack says:

    Well Jandy, Grilli is Italian (so am I). And he was really gracious when he took a picture with me and my wife this past off-season. :-)

    But as far as on the field, it is way too early to give up on the guy….or let panic set in…or light your hair on fire.

  82. hockeymonster says:

    Oops, meant to say other than PP we haven’t given up a lot of odd man rushes.

  83. Jandy says:

    LOL! Love that last line :)

    It’s cool he was good with you guys…and hey, I work for Italians, and my ex is Italian…so my two daughters are mostly Italian…I have no beef with you, Paesano :)

  84. NMR says:

    Ha, yeah, using July as any kind of reference is a bit silly.

    Grilli gave up runs in his first three appearances back from injury last September. Since then, he’s given up one run in thirteen appearance against people not named Ryan Braun.

    He throws just as hard as he did before injury, and his breaking ball is showing just as much movement.

    Ryan Braun.

  85. Baywatch says:

    I was more than a little surprised, when the smoke cleared, and the slow mo started that it was the Lunch Box Hero – whose fascination with recipes and cheeks that get visibly rosy in the cold – was the guy out there baiting Gomez, a raging bull who you would figure to … well, eat his lunch box for breakfast! Let’s face it: I think there’s a real good chance that Gomez is not well-adjusted. Don’t want to be accused of being judgmental or anything :-)

  86. Jandy says:

    Exactly…and that’s what Rossi was saying, if I read it properly. he wasn’t making excuses, which is what Dom was saying. :)

    They need to produce or ride the pine and let someone else produce.

  87. Jandy says:

    And I effin HATE Ryan Braun :)

  88. Baywatch says:

    My baby doll is Italian.

  89. theplanisworking says:

    On the Pirate game yesterday:
    Why did Hurdle take Cole out after approx. 90 pitches? Was he tired? Was he sore? I would have kept Cole in the 9th …….. you already have the bullpen warming up, Brewers weren’t hitting Cole …… just curious. Also, Milwaukee is a disgrace of an organization. Braun, Gomez, Maldonado………. a collection of punks, cheats, and liars. And, their reward is getting away with all that, and the best record in baseball.

    On the Pens, and DK’s column:
    Agreed Sid and Geno HAVE to show up for the playoffs. Have to score goals. Have to take it up a notch……… but sadly, this seems to happen each year. maddening. Also, it is incumbent upon the coaching staff to put the players in positions to succeed. It is also incumbent upon the coaches to get in the players ear, and tell them that the cute cross-rink passes lead to turnovers. The playoffs are so different than the regular season. Talent, and pedigree alone don’t win playoff games.

    Columbus seems hungrier, and grittier than the Pens through the first 2 games. No excuse for the Pens to be constantly outworked, with seemingly no answers. Obviously there is time in the series to ‘right the ship’, but hasn’t that been said the past 4 years, in the middle of every playoff exit? The ship never seems to get righted.

    Finally, Good Luck, and safe running in the Boston Marathon today.

  90. NMR says:

    Really makes you question why guys as supremely talented as him resort to cheating.

    The guy is clearly a hell of a hitter without PED’s.

  91. Baywatch says:

    I think this side of the 9th-inning, we ALL would have left Cole in there! I know we banter about oft-times about how cookie cutter Clint can be (though I find him refreshingly NON-cookie cutter at times), but, hey, even with Cole being only at 91 pitches and Cole being Cole (the young flame thrower who can it ALL and attempt to intimidate the likes of stark-raving mad lunatics like Go-Go Gomez) … you gotta go with your closer as long as he’s your closer. It’s early … but not too early to douse your hair in lighter fluid! :-)

  92. hockeymonster says:

    Injuries to D had nothing to do with team packin it in and quitting after shortie. We need to be mentally stronger than that, especially when we still had a lead to protect and maybe even expand with all the PP chances we had.

  93. Jandy says:


  94. 21sthebest says:

    I’m just speculating here. So if you send Cole out for the 9th, don’t you want to have someone ready just in case he gets in any trouble at all? At least I’m thinking that’s how Hurdle works. And I also think that when Hurdle gets Grilli ready, he’s using him because otherwise a bullpen is just about the same as an outing if you don’t end up using Grilli. And if Grilli gets ready and then sits back down, Hurdle won’t warm him up again in case they go extras.

    I’m thinking that might be Hurdle’s thought process. I don’t agree with it but maybe it’s a possibility.

  95. Jandy says:

    well-adjusted? :snicker:

  96. Jandy says:

    I have been saying for some time, that Columbus was this season’s Cinderella…

    I just wish it wasn’t our pumpkin they are smashing…

  97. Like the Pens vs. the Flyers, the Pirates are letting the Brewers get into their heads, and that, of course, has got to stop in both cases, especially since it won’t be long before the Bucs will have to face the Brewers again in Milwaukee. And then, the Pens have to stop thinking like even if they were to beat Columbus in the playoffs as expected, they won’t get much farther in the playoffs.

  98. Jandy says:

    Just wondered, tdb…

  99. Jandy says:

    Braun was coming up in the line-up, Hurdle had to know that…ugh

  100. scapper says:

    I was feeling pretty confident about the Pens taking this series…until I read your third paragraph. Gotta admit that I’ve been guilty of that “they’ll work it out, you’ll see” mindset myself over the past four years. I still think they’ll get it done this series, but I’m not nearly as confident after being reminded of how this same scenario has so depressingly played out every year, starting with that awful loss to Montreal.

    One thing I DO keep reminding myself of is that the Pens weren’t going to beat this team 9 straight times in one year. But still, the way they lost Saturday was pretty discouraging. I said Pens in 6, maybe 7, before it started and I’m sticking to that…but I’m glad I’m not a bettor!

  101. Didn’t Cole give up 2 HR’s last week against the Brewers? Maybe that entered into his thinking, also. Just a thought to add to the hindsight talk.

    And look at the times Hurdle let JMac pitch to try and build confidence, even though that failed.

    Probably putting Grilli “back on the horse” and figuring lightning won’t strike twice in the same bat.

  102. JohnS says:

    I have no problem with hurdle going to Grilli in the 9th. He just needs to do his job. This team right now has a lot of questions that need answered. Is “Juan-D” who we have seen so far? Will anyone on this team start to hit? Is Grilli going to find his mojo again?

    It is a long season but the make up of this team does not allow for them to go on an extended losing streak.

  103. scapper says:

    One more thing from the weekend: I know most of us can’t stand Ryan Braun, but that first homer on Saturday was one of the most beautiful things I’ve seen in sports for quite a while. To hit a ball that far on that low a line was just stunning. I think I’ve watched it ten times now and I’m in awe every time. It’s one thing to hit a screamer like that down the line for a homer or into the gap for a double, but to hit a homerun to that part of the park on such a low trajectory…I sure wish I’d have been there to see it live. Truly remarkable stuff.

  104. Jandy says:

    Good stuff, Spunky.
    Hope your Easter was special :)

  105. Always is. Thanks. Yours, too.

  106. NMR says:

    The Pirates are 6th in the NL in runs scored, one run out of 4th place.

    Clearly somebody is hitting.

  107. Thundercrack says:

    Well… Braun eventually did not get away with cheating. And it hurt his team.

  108. Thundercrack says:

    Does your baby doll know that you pay attention to Snider’s rosey red cheeks?


  109. NMR says:

    Just because it’s too eays…

    Joe Nathan has blown two saves in five opportunities and has an ERA north of 7.

    Relievers in general just cannot be looked at in such small samples.

  110. Karen22 says:

    Hurdle is literally a ROBOT to pitchers and the roles they’re paid to play (regardless of circumstance). He just will NOT use common sense, recent history, or gut feelings in these situations to deviate from the standard. Geez, isn’t a manager supposed to MANAGE, not just follow a script? I mean, I do love Clint Hurdle, but his stubbornness has arguably cost us some games already.

  111. Thundercrack says:


  112. Karen22 says:

    Viva italian! (So am I)…Pasta la vista!

    I have no idea what I’m saying…

  113. Nate83 says:

    I’m very happy Cole recognized that a teammate got hurt during the brawl and acknowledged the danger in such actions. He sincerely didn’t seem happy with the result of the incident. However he didn’t once throw a punch himself or even move in the direction of Gomez. Things escalated when Gomez started to attempt to make movements towards Cole to go after him.

    That guy needs to check himself. There has been numerous incidents involving him so maybe he needs to look at what he’s doing instead of pointing the finger. How’s that saying go. If you are running into a-holes all day maybe you are the a-hole.

  114. TJA says:

    Thanks, Jandy…good to see you, too!

  115. Karen22 says:

    That should be a capital “I” – and yes, I’m very emotional and would be struck mute if I sat on my hands.

  116. Karen22 says:

    OUI!!! :D

  117. TJA says:

    Thought the same thing this weekend, NMR

  118. 21sthebest says:

    Hurdle has a formula and he sticks to it. That is managing. I don’t think Hurdle cost us the past two games. Not enough offense and poor pitching cost us yesterday, IMO. Poor pitching cost us Saturday, IMO.

  119. TJA says:

    I’ll add my name to the list of good Italians. Have lots of Italian blood in me, also.

  120. Jandy says:

    AND…it doesn’t take a proctologist to figure it out ;)

  121. Jim S. says:

    Same with Bonds, obviously. Maybe being one of the Top 10 players in the league wasn’t enough for his giant ego.

    FWIW, I think he is taking steps to appear more modest during and after games.

  122. 21sthebest says:

    And he gave up the homerun to Reynolds yesterday in the 8th.

  123. Jandy says:

    April 21, 2014 at 10:26 AM

    Does your baby doll know that you pay attention to Snider’s rosey red cheeks?


    OH MY!

  124. Another good point. All I got was the re-cap, so I didn’t notice that. Hurdle knows better when Cole or anyone else might be tired of losing it. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. He and Ray.

    Like you said above, Hurdle’s decisions didn’t lose the game yesterday, but poor hitting and pitching moreso.

  125. bradthedad says:

    Remarkable how the discussion in less than a week has gone from fear that Cole possibly has issues to he needs to go out there for the 9th rather than your bona fide all star closer.

  126. Jim S. says:

    Cole didn’t do anything wrong, unless he said something different from what he related after the game.

    If Cole actually just said, “You can showboat when you hit a HR, but you should just run when you hit a flyball to CF”, there’s not a d*mn thing wrong with that. You could tell from the replay that he wasn’t screaming it at Gomez. He seemed very calm and under control to me. If that makes a guy blow up, then it is on that guy 100%. Cole did not get Snider injured.

    I think it works both ways. Hitters don’t need to strut or showboat. Pitchers don’t need to pump their fist and jump around the mound. If a brawl occurs because of stuff like that, maybe guys should play the game with a little more class and a little less “in your face” antics. I guess that ship has sailed, though, and I’m just out of touch.

  127. Jandy says:

    Join the “out of touch” club, Jim, no dues :)

  128. Jim S. says:

    I never had any fear of Cole having issues, brad. He is still learning to harness his talent, which means the occasional bad outing. I thought he was very much in control yesterday.

  129. Barb says:

    All I will say about the baseball/hockey game yesterday is that the Brewers are the NL Central’s bullies starting with the “cheater” Braun and the hot dog Gomez. Oh and that slide on Friday night by Maldanado was as low class as it gets. Until the Bucs can stand up to the Brewers this will continue series after series.

  130. 21sthebest says:

    Tigers bullpen!

  131. bradthedad says:

    Didn’t mean to point fingers at anyone in particular. Just remembered a lot of angst about his game in Cincy – was hit hard including HR by Leake and guys ran him ragged. He’s young – be patient everybody.

  132. Baywatch says:

    Jim, Cole didn’t just say the words he said he said. One of the playbacks I watched (and I watched WAY too many of them before bed!) picked up his address. It was inflammatory with at least one “eff.” But even so, in the heat of such moments, I’m standing on 3rd base … don’t come over here telling me how to do my job!

    No way decent human beings can justify a brawl. But I think we need one now and then!

    And I could hear Snider when he jumped out there, and challenged him! That really threw me for a loop for a guy I had pegged for a male singer in an Abba type group!

  133. theplanisworking says:

    I disagree.

    Milwaukee stunk last year. It was easy for Braun to see this, so he figured he would take his punishment in a clearly ‘lost’ season, get rested, and try to come back refreshed this year ……… all the while getting to workout, etc.

    So while technically Braun got suspended, he got to use the time to rest, workout, and not face the grind of traveling, getting hurt etc. It also didn’t hurt the brewers all that much, because it was already a lost season. Now, he comes back this year, and is already having a good year. My only hope is that MLB has a pee cup waiting for him after almost every game. Don’t trust him to be clean.

  134. theplanisworking says:

    Good points, Barb.

  135. Arriba Wilver says:


  136. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yes, Brad, I don’t think anybody was panicking. Just the first time really since he started he had a bad outing (in Cincy). That’s why it stood out a little. I’ve been nothing but impressed with the guy from day one. From his talent to his demeanor to his post-game comments. Something special.

  137. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    It doesn’t matter what I think, as Snider will be suspended, and don’t count Russell Martin out.
    They’re going to try to even this thing up before it’s over.
    Cole probably shouldn’t have said anything, but all Gomez had to do was say….”Hey…Triple!”
    Instead….He lost his mind, or what little is left of it.

  138. Jim S. says:

    Ok, thanks, Bay. I wasn’t aware things went down differently than Cole relayed after the game.

    It may have also been mentioned, but one thing Gomez said was that he was just talking to the ump and Snider came charging out like a superhero. Gomez was out of control from the second he heard whatever Cole said. He was swinging his helmet as the ump tried to restrain him.

  139. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yeah, he was headed after Cole with his helmet in his hand.

  140. Nate83 says:

    That is correct Jim. Gomez is the reason things escalated. Cole could audibly be heard saying something that wasn’t as nice as what he said after the game but his body language did not suggest he was interested in fighting Gomez. He said what he wanted to Gomez and was walking away. Gomez should have just barked back at him and never made it physical.

  141. Yeah, and the playback says exactly what Bay said. Cole either “misremembered” some of his wording or the heat of the moment made him selectively forget.

    Gomez, also as Bay said, is probably not well adjusted.

  142. 21sthebest says:

    “Both of these criminals (along with “holder” Ricky Weeks) need to take a long, unpaid vacation courtesy of MLB.”

    Well you commented that some Brewers deserve a suspension.

  143. Jim S. says:

    Braun’s suspension was calculated pretty well on his part, once he finally decided it was in his best interest to stop lying and ruining other people’s careers. To me, it was more than a coincidence that Bud’s old team once again got things handled pretty well from MLB’s perspective. It all got wrapped up with a nice little bow in a big hurry. Braun didn’t miss one meaningful game, and wasn’t he also injured during his suspension?

    The guy’s a great hitter. Beyond that, I see no reason to applaud anything about him.

  144. Baywatch says:

    Which, I THINK, Nate, was what Snider was telling him! LOL!

  145. Thundercrack says:

    Yes, technically he did get suspended. So he didn’t get away with anything.
    I think Braun wasn’t happy with all the money he lost during the 60 game suspension. That’s a hefty price to rest from traveling and working out. And I don’t think the Brewers’ organization was too happy with him either. So they all paid a price.

    They may be punks but they are a really good team.

  146. bradthedad says:

    He is and I’m glad we have him. And Hurdle handled it the right way by turning a 1 run lead in the 9th to his closer. As Cole develops, he will reach the point when Hurdle says finish them off big guy ala Verlander and the other handful of ace beasts out there.

  147. Jandy says:


  148. Arriba Wilver says:

    Or, he knew he was talking on Root and would have been bleeped. ;-)
    That’s a tough one, although I believe what you and Bay are saying he said. If someone would have asked if it was more “colorful” I have to think he would have admitted it. Probably why he was regretful.

  149. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    And you would disagree?!

  150. Arriba Wilver says:


  151. Jim S. says:

    +++, Nate.

  152. Andrew says:

    Penguins line pairing at practice


    Megna/Pyatt-Vitale-Adams (Please no Pyatt)

  153. Arriba Wilver says:

    One other point, which surprised me a little. After the game they said it was the longest outing of his career by finishing the 8th. (Not talking pitch counts).

  154. 21sthebest says:

    No, not all. I never questioned that. All I asked to begin with was if you thought Snider deserved a suspension too. I do. You don’t seem to want to answer. So be it.

  155. Andrew says:

    That should read, Penguin’s line pairings at practice.

  156. Jandy says:

    that’s to both AW and bradthedad !

  157. Jandy says:

    Thanks, Andrew!

  158. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Hey….I’m biased.
    I believe the Brewers were the aggressors.
    No…I don’t think he deserves one, but he’ll get it.

  159. Jim S. says:

    Good point, Arriba. Cole did say he regretted losing his temper there. If he had actually said just the quote I read after the game, then that would not constitute losing his temper. So, I guess there is a disconnect from that quote and what he must have actually said on the field.

  160. Baywatch says:

    But, let’s face it: Even if Cole would have walked over to Gomez, and simply said what he said, in a regular tone: “You’re somewhat allowed to stand there and watch the flight of your ball if it’s a home run, you’re not allowed otherwise.” Would not a regular person AND Gomez have wanted to tell him what he should do with his mouthy attitude? I think veteran pitchers keep their mouths shut, and hit the guy next time up if it irks them that bad. Then again, maybe hitters would rather have someone NEW AND DIFFERENT like Cole than a ball stuck in their ribs! Of course, he may yet have Cole’s piece of mind AND a ball in his ribs!

    I mean, seriously, Cole was simply incensed and emotional, but I think ESPECIALLY if he’d just level-headed walked over there and in the smart-alec-sixth grade girl in Beaver Cleaver’s class said, “You’re not supposed to do that!” It would have made me just as angry!

  161. Jim S. says:

    Reds, I think, Lucky.

  162. Baywatch says:

    (Her name, by the way, I THINK, was Judy Rutherford!)

  163. Thundercrack says:

    Didn’t everyone except ARod get the same suspension as Braun? How is that calculated?
    And Peralata’s team was in the middle of the playoff chase and he still got suspended. So I really don’t think that Braun got and accepted his suspension because his team was not a playoff contender.

    I am not defending Ryan Braun. But I think he finally realized that he was busted and it wasn’t worth fighting it any more. Take the punishment and move on….which it took ARod a lot longer to realize.

  164. 21sthebest says:

    Yup. And Strasburg got into the 8th inning last year for the first time in his career. I was surprised when I heard that. Took 54 starts.

  165. Jim S. says:

    It’s not silly. He got injured in July. He was practically unhittable before then, and has not been very good since. His performance slipping isn’t just Ryan Braun’s 2 HRs.

  166. NMR says:

    Grilli gave up runs in his first three appearances back from injury last September. Since then, he’s given up one run in thirteen appearance against people not named Ryan Braun.

    Your original comment was misleading, at best, Jim.

  167. 21sthebest says:

    At least you’re honest about your bias.

  168. Arriba Wilver says:

    I think it was Judy Hensler, and I always hated her, too. :-)

  169. 21sthebest says:

    As I mentioned Jim, in his last 8 appearances in 2013 Grilli did not give up a run.

  170. Andrew says:

    Good stuff hockey, the one thing I’ll add is that lost in all the discussion of the power play set up is that once the Penguins went to two defensemen on the points in game two the power play looked insipid. I went back counted, on the next four power plays the Penguins forced 5 saves, had 4 shots blocked, and 1 miss.

    If you are going to win on special teams that won’t get it done, also here is a link that discusses the Pens recent failures on the penalty kill.

  171. Baywatch says:

    You’re right, Arreebs! Just went to IMDB to verify on that, Judy Hensler! Guess I got her mixed up with Clarence Rutherford … Lumpy?

  172. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    It sure was!
    A 65 game suspension when your team was about 20 games out?
    How convenient!
    Just another ridiculous decision by MLB.
    He should’ve started THIS season on the ousted list for 65 games.

  173. Jandy says:

    Looks like Jesse has another good one, thanks for sharing, Andrew.

  174. Thundercrack says:

    So Daq, MLB should have said to Braun in 2013 “We know you are guilty and we are going to suspend you, starting in 2014. Good luck during the rest of this season!”

    That would have been a ridiculous decision.

  175. Arriba Wilver says:

    Where do you think EYE got my information? ;-). And, yep on Lumpy, too. And Mel Cooley (Dick Van Dyke Show) or, Richard Deacon, was Mr. Rutherford.

  176. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    What good is a 65 game suspension when your team is about 20 games out?!
    What you’re saying makes a certain amount of sense, but it’s no real punishment to the guy.
    He was probably sitting in a bistro in Paris the next day with a grin on his face.

    He escaped from a bad year, and was able to re-think his approach.
    By the looks of that two thirds of a swing that rocketed past a deep PNC Park in LF….Everything is AOK with him….Again.

  177. You are correct, sir. Both stadia are band boxes, so that plays out, too.

  178. Thundercrack says:

    The guy lost a boatload of money! It doesn’t matter what season.
    Exactly what is the litmus test on determining if a team will be harmed by one its players being suspended? So if your team is 20+ games out of first place then your suspension will begin at the start of next season. How would have Jhonny Peralta and the Tigers felt about that?

  179. theplanisworking says:

    Jim and Daquido, good points above.
    Oh, and +++++++++++

  180. theplanisworking says:

    As Jim and Daquido so rightfully pointed out, Braun was already injured. The Brewers were 20 games out. It was a no-brainer for Braun to sit out at the time.

    If the Brewers were in a pennant race, or Braun was 100% healthy, I strongly feel that he would have kept lying, throwing people under the bus, and trying to prolong his appeals and lying to the bitter end.

    Bottom line, Braun played the “game” to his uber-advantage, but he would have been kicking and screaming if the situation was different.

  181. I blame this whole brawl on Cutch. If he catches Gomez’ ball, as an MVP should and, as he was basically in position to do looking at the replay, none of this happens.


    Seriously, did he have anything to say about the play afterwards?

  182. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    A boat load of money?…lol….Don’t make me laugh.
    Braun will make that up on a few side deals by next week.
    He was moved out at a time when it was convenient for him….An extended vacation is what it amounted to.
    Now he’s back, and he’s pumped up again in my opinion.
    And let me add….The Brewers aren’t a “very good team”….They’re a decent team.
    They unfortunately have the Pirates number.

  183. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Exactly….The guy made a monkey out of everyone, left when it was a good time for him to leave, and returned….Pumped.

  184. hockeymonster says:

    Van Slyke, good read. I don’t claim to be a PK expert. As a matter of fact, anyone who has skated with me in years past will be shocked to discover my new found belief in defense. So I’ll defer to JM and granato when it comes to the PK.

    However with that said, my 2 cents lean towards pointing out individual mistakes. Or with adams its just a case where he’ll let someone walk around him on one PK, only to not clear the puck on the next. Not picking on adams cuz we can do better clearing out the front of net but in general atleast its not lack of effort or stupid decisions that have led to PK slipping.

    One trend i am seeing quite often though is that teams have started to gear their formations more towards being in position to block shots on PK. So you’ll see 2 and sometimes 3 PKers abandon the basic diamond formation and line up in same shooting lane which allows for passes on perimeter and one timers. I think we shouldn’t necessarily be too worried with shots getting thru from the points as much as tying up sticks and clearing the front of the net. But i would need time and access to a lot more video to come up with any sort of concrete gameplan for PK.

    And now that i’ve googled ‘insipid’ i can respond by saying that at least we didn’t need to watch geno pinch at the point on his off side only have the puck go by him on multiple occasions. If the words “lets kill this one off” weren’t spoken on the bench prior to PP’s with 3-1 lead, then pens mindset wasn’t right. Not like 4 forwards were creating a lot either. I actually thought PP looked somewhat smoother with 2 dmen and Kuni and real deal rotating in for net front. Would also be tempted to have 2 RH shots on PP at all times but that would mean breaking up sid and geno into 2 units.

    And we’ve seen the benefit of RH shots on the point ripping shots quickly off the boards. Having geno on his off side at the point wont allow him to move the puck quickly with columbus knowing he needs to scoop puck on backhand 1st, which allows them to pressure even more.

  185. Jandy says:

    I dunno, but Tabata would have caught it ;)

  186. Maybe this season. Some prior seasons, he wouldn’t have even been in the area.

  187. theplanisworking says:

    See? Too busy passing out those autographed eggs to the kids, instead of catching balls.

    ;) ;)

  188. Jandy says:


  189. Jandy says:

    I’m still in awe of that catch he made last week…can you tell? lol

  190. Jandy says:

    then he pinch hit and outran a throw…what hustle!

  191. Thundercrack says:

    With some of you there is always a conspiracy theory. And a lot of time the key conspirator is the commissioner. (And it’s just not with MLB).

    I think your view on this is ridiculous.

    But I’ll take Jandy’s advice from last week and Let It Go.

  192. Jim S. says:

    Grilli April-May-June 2013:

    36.2 innings
    24 hits
    1 HR
    59 K’s
    7 BB
    7 ER

    Grilli July through now (including playoffs):

    24.2 innings
    26 hits
    5 HR
    26 K’s
    10 BB
    12 ER

    Something is different. His performance has slipped in every category. Early last year, he wasn’t even having outings where he got multiple runners on base. His WHIP was well below 1.0. It’s been over 1.5 since.

    Like I said before, I’m not advocating throwing Grilli on the scrapheap. I’m not even saying he should never be the closer. I just think always bringing in a closer in the 9th inning isn’t the best strategy. I would have felt more comfortable with him in that situation than Grilli. I guess we don’t agree on that.

  193. Jandy says:

    TC, I’ve learned sometimes it’s just the best thing :*

  194. Jim S. says:

    I like that take, Lucky. It’s all Cutch’s fault.

    Yesterday, right after the brawl, I was thinking that had Gomez just put his head down and run hard right away, he might have had an inside-the-park HR. But, it’s much cooler to admire your handiwork, even if it costs your team a run. Runs are secondary to appearance to some guys.

  195. 21sthebest says:

    American Meb Keflezghi wins the Boston Marathon. First American male to win since 1983. The victory was totally unexpected.

    Pretty cool too because I had my picture taken with him in 2010. :-)

  196. Jandy says:

    Good news !

    Now that pic is really priceless ;)

  197. Arriba Wilver says:


  198. Jim S. says:

    I think it is reasonable to consider Bud’s part in it, considering it was a quickie about face by all involved last year, TC. I didn’t say it happened, just speculating. That situation turned around in a big hurry last summer. Just raised my eyebrow is all. If you don’t think Bud has been known to occasionally orchestrates things in the past to the benefit of the Brewers, you might want to think about how they left the AL and landed right in the same division as the Cubs, to start a nice little inter-state rivalry. Our division was kind of top heavy with teams for a lot of years.

    It’s also reasonable to disagree with the possibility that he had anything to do with it. I certainly don’t know if it is true.

  199. 21sthebest says:

    Yeah, he probably wants my autograph.

  200. Andrew says:

    In no way am I endorsing the 4 forwards with a 3-1 lead power play, it is just my opinion that the power play never looked like scoring with two defensemen. Not saying it cannot work. Rossi is reporting the top unit had Niskanen and Martin at practice today, no Neal.

    Also the penguins ran 4 forwards out much of season, and they were not leading the league in shorthand goals against or giving up more than average amount of shots against. Regardless of the system, power play or short handed, it all comes down to execution, which has been severely lacking on special teams so far.

  201. Andrew says:

    I fully endorse this.

  202. 21sthebest says:

    Well you might as well add in some of the last months of 2012 to your early months of 2013 if you’re going to look at it that way.

  203. You’re right. Runs are secondary, especially when a game goes 14 innings and could have ended in nine. And I agree, the way that ball came back toward the infield, it could have been an inside-the-parker.

    So much of that watching going on this season. Really becoming annoying. DK addressed some of that showboating in the chat last week. Just play the game, he said.

    Remember the old days when somebody hit one out, they never cracked a smile or showed any emotion? It’s gone completely the other way now, like football.

  204. Post it and let us see it.

  205. Jim S. says:

    I’m honestly not trying to mislead. I’m trying to look at his body of work before and after and compare the results.

    He has not struck out nearly as many guys, and he gives up more hits, walks, HR, ER since his injury vs. 2013 prior to the injury.

    Maybe it is just a case of him being a pretty good pitcher, who got on an incredibly hot streak for 3 months, then came back to earth. But, I think Clint believes A-M-J ’13 Grilli is who he truly is. I don’t think that is the case. I hope Clint is right.

  206. NMR says:

    Jim, you’re counting performances coming back from major arm injury and wondering where the difference is coming from.

    This is way less difficult to figure out than you’re making it.

  207. Jandy says:

    21’s autograph or Meb’s? ;)

  208. 21sthebest says:

    Yeah. July 2013 was pre injury.

  209. Jim S. says:

    Ok, just a difference of opinion, 21.

    It’s not like it is something important – like a disagreement over a certain singer/songwriter who shall remain nameless.


  210. Jim S. says:

    Agreed, guys. Maybe I over-simplified things.

    My take is he has not been pitching all that well for awhile now, dating back to last season. But, I can see where you might disagree.

  211. Jandy says:

    Billie J…errrr..Holiday ;)

  212. Jandy says:

    LOL you’re killing me Spunkster ;)

  213. Jandy says:

    See? jim is the sweetest poster on the blog :*

  214. 21sthebest says:


    13 players plus Ryan Braun were suspended last year in connection with the Biogenesis scandal. They should have all been swept under the rug until 2014 because the Brewers were having a bad season in 2013.

  215. Jim S. says:

    It’s a gray area, I guess. I don’t know exactly how or where to draw the line. Nothing wrong with being happy that you hit a big HR. Also, there’s nothing wrong with being happy that you struck a guy out in a key situation. Some guys seem to be able to manage that balance, and some guys can’t or won’t.

  216. hockeymonster says:

    Didn’t nisky score to make it 3-1 on PP with 2 dmen? I know we were mixing things up on PP but pretty sure nisky scored with PM or maatta on the ice. IMO, everything that happened after shortie was tainted by lack of focus.

  217. theplanisworking says:

    Deliberately missing the point.

  218. Jim S. says:

    Am not, either.

  219. 21sthebest says:

    Here’s how I look at it Jim. He finishes 2013 with 8 consecutive scoreless outings including 3 in the playoffs. So I’m thinking the injury is behind him and he’s the closer for 2014. So I just put 2013 behind me.

    So far this year he hasn’t been good, obviously, blowing 3 saves. The velocity still looks to be there and when I look at the blown saves, especially the last two days, he simply threw mistakes to Braun. He missed Martin’s target completely. So to me, he hasn’t consistently found his release point this year. Which isn’t uncommon for closers who come and go. And I think he’s missing a lot of spots.

  220. 21sthebest says:

    Prove it.

  221. 21sthebest says:

    Post my picture here Lucky? LOL!

  222. I didn’t think you would. Doesn’t hurt to ask, though right?

    Besides, the FBI’s Most Wanted List is right next door here at the Post Office.


  223. Jim S. says:

    Braun’s came first, didn’t it? I could be wrong about that. But, I thought the standard became 50 games after him.

    Regardless, he was a worse offender than the guys who simply got caught because of how fiercely he defended it, and he ended up being shown as a liar. He let a guy lose his job over it.

    Then, suddenly, he had an about face and took the rest of the year punishment. You don’t think there was any calculation on his part that the Brewers sucked, and that he was injured? Don’t you think that made it a little easier to accept the punishment, TC? I did.

  224. Jim S. says:

    Got you, 21.

  225. Jandy says:

    Am too :P

  226. Andrew says:

    Hockey, you are right, Martin was on the ice during that power play to make it 3-1. I guess I was reinventing things, trying to find causality were none existed. And I agree focus/execution broken down after that short handed goal. Bottom line for me is just execute, the Penguins have been the better team 5v5 and are losing on special teams, something they prided themselves on all season.

  227. Thundercrack says:

    I believe MLB showed Braun all the evidence that they had against him.
    Braun then decided if he wanted to fight it or accept their findings and take the suspension.
    And I think there may have been the chance that if he fought it the suspension could be longer (I’m not sure about that though). So yes, maybe he did think that that was the best time to take his punishment. I but I do not believe that he got away with anything or got any favors from the commissioner. Was it his fault that he got busted again when the Brewers stunk and he was injured?

  228. Jandy says:

    LOL! Spunky is on a roll.

    21, I have my picture available on FB. Why not post yours?

  229. 21sthebest says:

    Mine is on FB. But I’m not posting it here

  230. Jandy says:


  231. I don’t have a FB page. My wife does, but I don’t even know how to navigate it properly.

    Besides, we know what Neal Huntington looks like, anyway.


  232. Well, I’ve insulted him twice now, Jandy, and he hasn’t even batted an eye. Just turned the other cheek.

    Time to quit, I guess.


  233. Baywatch says:

    You were all over it.

  234. Arriba Wilver says:

    IMDB is my favorite site. ;-)

  235. 21sthebest says:

    Oh I just saw the NH reference! You think I look like Howdy Doody?

  236. Baywatch says:

    Gotta love Charlie Morton’s “HEY!” YOU CAN’T COLDCOCK LUNCHBOX” look on his face on the Trib’s “UGLY AFTERNOON” headling picture above! There’s another guy who seems to be more about “Make Love, Not War!” I think if it was MORTON that was out there, jumping into Gomez’ face at third base, he would have been the only person on the team I’d have been more surprised than Snider being the one. Where was Ray Searage? LOL!

  237. Baywatch says:

    (Then Charlie turns around and says, “But you CAN cold CUT Lunch Box!” Bud-A-Bohmp!)

  238. hockeymonster says:

    Yup. Took a look at extraskater today and 5v5 play isnt a problem. Just need to hold serve, focus and execute.

  239. theplanisworking says:

    Prove it?
    So you can twist everything just so you can keep deliberately missing the point? No thanks. It has already been stated that Jim, Daquido, and myself feel that Braun took advantage of the situation at hand, and if the Brewers were in contention, he would have dragged the appeals process out indefinitely, throwing more people under the bus to save his hide. He conveniently took stock of the situation, being already hurt, Brewers 20 games out, to have it then.

    Oh, and congratulations, 21. 4 people commented on the point made, without any trouble or snark, and as usual, you throw the first ‘smart-a**’ remark…….
    ” 13 players plus Ryan Braun were suspended last year in connection with the Biogenesis scandal. They should have all been swept under the rug until 2014 because the Brewers were having a bad season in 2013.”

    Instead of discussing the point, you had to cause trouble. Kudos to you. You certainly didn’t disappoint. Proof yet once again, you are incapable of NOT causing your trouble. You just couldn’t discuss the topic, you had to take your shots.

    Have a great day !! :D

  240. Rich Kuklinski says:

    Its funny that when Gomez was going down he actually went to kick Snider and kicked Rickie Weeks right in the face. Check it out its awesome!

  241. I don’t know, man, I’ve never seen ya. But I would bet you don’t look like Ron Howard.

    At least Bay, TC, JAL and Jandy put their pictures on for their avatar.

  242. Jandy says:

    Yeah, Revvie, he’s being more stubborn then even *I* am ;)

  243. Brandon says:

    I haven’t checked in the past couple of days….sure hoping for a turnaround on the ice and the diamond. I just read the attached article which (unfortunately) highlights what most of the viewing public has witnessed with Rob Scuderi – the article, correctly, disparages both Shero and Bylsma for their roles in this situation – there is a good chart which shows the negative effect of puck possession which is created regardless of the pairing with Scuds. Although it doesn’t list the correlated minutes with each defenseman, the chart sure makes the case to reconsider both Bortuzzo and Despres. Big call out questioning Bylsma for this issue….with all due respect to Rossi and today’s article, this is not an issue that will be fixed during these playoffs. If the Pens go down to the Jackets, this won’t be the only reason, but it will be a big one that could have been addressed with other options:

  244. 21sthebest says:


  245. Jim S. says:

    It will be interesting to see how many games Gomez, Cole, Maldonado and Snider get. I don’t know if Weeks will be suspended, but I don’t think jumping on a guy’s back, or tackling him from behind, constitutes being a peace maker.

    My guess is:

    – Weeks gets nothing

    – Snider has to go for a few games. He got sucker-punched in the face, but he also got right in the middle of things at the height of it.

    – Maldonado has to go for a long while. I hope they take the totality of his entire weekend into the decision on him. I don’t know what the precedent is, but you can ruin a guy’s career by cold-cocking him like that.

    – Gomez should go for several games as well, I think.

    – Cole could get suspended for a start, but I don’t think so. If the ump at 3b didn’t think what he said warranted tossing him, I don’t see how you can suspend him.

    I thought the article Jandy posted about making these situations an Americans vs. Dominicans thing was a stretch. I’ve seen Pedro Martinez nail guys if he felt they were showing him up. I guess he didn’t get the memo about understanding how the game has changed.

    Snider knows Polanco is on the horizon and an OF will be sent packing. Not a bad idea to let everyone know at this point that you have their backs.

    I lost some respect for Roenicke. I thought he said some silly things.

  246. Thundercrack says:

    Jhonny Peralta didn’t drag out the appeals and his team was in contention.
    But somehow you’re sure Braun would have done that.

  247. Baywatch says:

    Calling Gomez “Gomey” was one of ‘em.

  248. Jim S. says:

    I always thought that about Charlie, too, Bay. But, he has dished out some retaliatory plunkings over the last 2 years.

  249. 21sthebest says:

    Who’s twisting anything and who’s deliberately missing the point? I have a different conclusion and a different point to make. I disagree with yours. Nothing more.

    Saying that I’m deliberately missing the point is the same as calling me a liar in my book. And you’re incorrect. You’ve done that before and you’ve called others a liar. And instead of proving that I’m deliberately missing the point you resort to attacking and bullying.

  250. Jim S. says:

    I hear you, TC. I said I didn’t know for sure. It just raised an eyebrow for me last summer is all. I’m not a conspiracy guy, generally.

  251. Jim S. says:

    Nope. ;-)

  252. 21sthebest says:

    +1 @ Jim.

  253. Jandy says:

    Yup :*

  254. Jim S. says:

    Past la Vista. They make a great Lasagna Bolognese, I think. :-)

  255. Jim S. says:

    +++, Bay.

  256. Thundercrack says:

    If a player gets suspended is the team permitted to call up a player to take his place during the suspension?

    If Snider gets suspended that might be a chance for Lambo.

  257. 21sthebest says:

    “Have a great day !! :D

    Does anybody else associate these endings to a post when the discussion is combative as basically being given the middle finger?

  258. Jim S. says:

    Bucs 0-3 vs. Milw in 1-run games. (-3 run differential)

    Bucs 0-2 vs. Milw. in 2-run games. (-4 run differential)

    Bucs 0-1 vs. Milw. in 3-run games. (-3 run differential)

    Bucs 1-0 vs. Milw. in 9-run games. (+9 run differential)

    By my math, they have outscored us by 1 run in total. I prefer the 6 wins, myself.

  259. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’m 99% sure they can bring up a replacement player. Probably doesn’t even affect the 10 day rule, but not sure.

  260. Jim S. says:

    I think they get to have 25 guys on the roster. Good point about Lambo.

  261. Nate83 says:

    I can’t see how Cole could possible get anything. He didn’t throw a punch or a pitch at anyone. You can’t be held accountable for Gomez overreacting to a comment. Gomez was wrong to flip the bat and watch the ball, Cole wasn’t much better in even paying attention to Gomez and making a comment but there is nothing in the rule book about yelling at another player.

    The situation doesn’t escalate if Gomez doesn’t start to approach Cole and instead acts like a normal person and just yells back at him. His foot should have never left 3rd base. As soon as that happened it was on like Donkey Kong and apparently Lunchbox enjoys a good ol’ fasion donnybrook as much as he likes his buffet.

  262. Baywatch says:

    I thought all of those were real slips on his part. I figured he has more HBP’s to his credit than anyone on the staff – including his year away – but just figured when he gets wild, he gets REAL wild! Seriously, when he loses his command, the other team usually seems to be in for a few plunks … just didn’t notice any real intentional ones. Can be a very hard READ at times!

  263. Arriba Wilver says:


  264. Baywatch says:

    And we are GLAD! (Was starting to worry about the boy!)

  265. Thundercrack says:

    Not everyone will get suspended…but there could also be fine$

  266. Karen22 says:

    VERY cool!

  267. hockeymonster says:

    Pre-game nap thoughts:

    To follow up on above comments…if disco wants to press and get aggressive on PP, how bout splitting your aces and giving them 2 RH shots? Guarantee they’d both enjoy controlling half wall with nisky or tanger at the point and BB/stempty cross ice both waiting for a one timers.

    Chances of sid and geno looking at the point and globetrottering a no look magic johnson pass cross ice?

    real deal-geno-sutter/BB

    This would leave jussi out but this isnt something you need to do all the time. But it does force coach richards to adjust and back off from fear of getting burned with a cross ice pass.

  268. Andrew says:

    Solid link, the sad thing is the Scuderi was a possession anchor last year with the Kings. The Penguins have had the better puck possession 5v5, despite the negative contributions of Scuderi and Letang. Also of note apparently the Blue Jackets are scratching Fedor Tyutin who has been their worst puck possession player over two games, despite his $4.5 million cap hit and four years remaining of his contract.

  269. Nate83 says:

    Good point and I could see Cole getting a fine since he obviously played a part in the brawl taking place. I’m glad Gabby held Martin back. That could have gotten ugly and costly if he throws a punch.

    On another note anybody see Gabby’s clothes line of a hitter going after his pitcher back when he played for the Marlins. Absolutely awesome. He comes out of nowhere and just takes the guy out JimmySupermanSnuka style.

  270. NMR says:

    I agree with Morosi.

  271. wvstarship says:

    IF Grilli’s a “bona fide all star closer” then I’m the Pope.

    I’m really suprised that so many Buc fans on this blog are willing to allow games to be turned into losses from wins just to massage the ego of some so-called star. I known that I’m definately old-school, but I’d rather do what’s best for the team-namely, try to win the game with you best player on the mound. 91 pitches is not too much, and I’ll take Cole over Grilli every single solitary time.

  272. Jim S. says:

    It can be hard to tell for sure.

  273. Jandy says:

    Since he was so good last season with the Kings, I’m gonna say the ankle injury is what knocked him off his game. Still, it’s hurting the Pens…badly.

  274. Jandy says:

    Hi, I’m Mother Theresa :)

  275. hockeymonster says:

    Wasn’t tyutin knocked out of game 2? Not sure same situation.

  276. 21sthebest says:

    If Cole gets fined because a player reacted to something he said, that would be utterly ridiculous to me.

  277. hockeymonster says:

    I think there’s too much of a laser beam being focused on piece and tanger. Notion that they make mistakes or get beat and other don’t, is silly.

  278. Thundercrack says:

    Bud is out to get us, 21.

  279. Nate83 says:

    I agree but it all plays a part in leading up to the eventual fight. Justice isn’t always fair. Who’s to say Gomez throws any punches if nobody comes on the field? It the words of Ron Burgandy “Boy, that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast.”

  280. Baywatch says:

    SURPRISE!! Wandy on the Disabled List!

  281. Karen22 says:

    HAHAHA!! Convenience List casualty #1!!

    NEXT! ;)

  282. Baywatch says:

    So, Tabata in right field again. Did Clint make any kind of statement about Tabby getting the lion’s share of right field time now, over Snider?

  283. hockeymonster says:

    Oh and almost forgot. This is more or less an outside the box idea but would look to pick my spots playing nisky on off side with tanger. That would leave piece and maatta which isnt ideal but like i said, it would be a curveball based on matchups. More or less nisky is kicking the door down so moving him up into top 4 every now and then wouldn’t be a bad idea if columbus has top 6 players matching up against tanger and piece. Piece isn’t an offensive threat from point so nisky on his off side should be a wash if not the occasional advantage. Just a thought…

  284. cmat0829 says:

    As to the “brawl” and the aftermath…. my two cents:

    1) NO WAY should Cole get suspended or face any action. Players have jawed at each other a ton of times, and I don’t remember any precedent on being disciplined for talking stuff on the mound.

    2) GOMEZ needs to get whatever penalty there is for throwing punches, I’m sure there is precedent for that.
    3) MALDANADO needs to get whatever penalty there is for throwing punches, maybe 1 game or so more than Gomez gets, given he a) had no reason to be involved anyway and b) sucker punched the guy.

    4) SNYDER gets probably what GOMEZ gets, even though he didn’t throw a punch per se, he tackled Gomez.

    If Cole gets any discipline it will be BS to the biggest degree.

    Overall, I have ZERO issue with players celebrating their success…and some of this ‘unwritten rule’ stuff is annoying to me…that said, Gomez pretty much is an instigator and takes it just one step too far and that is what Cole (and others) react to. I mean, I hate Ryan Braun, but watch how he handles HR trots….

  285. cmat0829 says:

    no issue whatsoever with use of the disabled list in this way. If a player is physically unable to perform at the level they need to, then he goes on the DL. Doesn’t need to be a major injury and they don’t need to show fans the XRays to validate anything…..

  286. cmat0829 says:

    hmmm, jared hughes??? called up? i guess it is just for an extra bullpen arm for out-of-hand games and they will dump him and call up the starter prior to wandy’s place in the rotation…which I think is Thursday ….

  287. cmat0829 says:

    i haven’t heard him address it specifically but it makes sense to me in a couple of ways…..

    1) snider had cooled off considerably
    2) tabata ‘earned’ it with his effort as of late
    3) reasonable to give them both a stretch of games to see if they can string things together, difficult to just get a start here and there
    4) with davis now in the lineup, RH Tabata balances it out somewhat

    no issues here with giving tabata a run to see what he can do

  288. 21sthebest says:

    Maybe Stolmy or Jenmar becomes the starter.

  289. 21sthebest says:

    Knee inflammation.

  290. Milo Hamilton says:

    Major injury ? He’s not hurt. The DL is for guys that are hurt & guys that stink. Wandy unfortunately stinks right now.

  291. Jim S. says:

    Maybe Snider wrenched his back dumping Gomez on his butt.

  292. Jandy says:

    do those stink?


  293. Jim S. says:

    That’s what I would say, although I’d like to see Straight Out of Cumpton.

  294. 21sthebest says:


  295. Jim S. says:

    I had to read that line using my inner Ron Burgundy voice, Nate. Didn’t mean to. It just happened.

  296. Jandy says:

    Say what you want, Selig *IS* an azz. that is all.

  297. Andrew says:

    Right again Hockey, disregard that last sentence, I completely misread a game preview.

    I still maintain that Scuderi has been just about the Pens worst player on the ice and has not been a good player for some time. He could certainty turn it around, I just do not think it is likely.

  298. cmat0829 says:

    no doubt he stinks… i’m all in favor of him stinking it on the DL for a spell, then some extended rehab starting in Indy… i like the fact the Pirates took action sooner rather than later.

    I prefer Cumpton get the spot, or even Locke, then Stolmy or Gomez.

  299. Thundercrack says:

    I really wonder about the convenience list.

    The FO, coaches, players and agents would all have to keep their traps shut about it. Some players have incentives that would be in jeopardy if they were on the DL / CL. Granted, it is probably a lot easier to go on the DL than in the past.

    If there is one it is amazing that no one has spilled the beans about it.

  300. Milo Hamilton says:

    Agreed on all counts.

  301. 21sthebest says:

    Gomez is responsible for his own actions. If somebody took a shot at him, I wouldn’t blame him for defending himself reasonably.

  302. Milo Hamilton says:

    All teams use it because it’s beneficial to both the player & the team. These guys are professional athletes, they could find something om an MRI with every single one of them.

  303. Jandy says:

    In hockey, the person retaliating gets the penalty.

  304. hockeymonster says:

    By the way, that chart regarding scuderi and CF%, does that take into account fact that Piece is on PK and any dman out there with him has to defend shots right after a PK ends? I believe correlation with orpik and bortuzzo would back that up. And flipside to that would be that other dmen get PP time and get those extra shots as part of CF% after PP ends. This concept would apply to plus/minus too.

  305. theplanisworking says:

    I am the one attacking and bullying?
    When you refuse to discuss the topic at hand?
    When you are the one who broke off the discussion by your smart-a** comment about all the other players?
    Man, oh man, oh man.

    You deliberately missed the original point by bringing your smart-a** strawman into the discussion. You are the one that couldn’t discuss the point, so you resorted to your old tricks.

    If you think I am incorrect, then discuss the point. Don’t smart-a** by saying the other 13 players should have been swept under the rug because the Brewers were having a bad season.


    “Saying that I’m deliberately missing the point is the same as calling me a liar in my book.”

    No, but if you want to feel that way, fine. I think you deliberately missed the point just to smart-a**, and cause trouble. I did prove you missed the point, but you will never admit it, so I am not going there all night with you on this.

    Have a Great Day !! :D

  306. 21sthebest says:

    Couple of years ago in the offseason Dr. Andrews took MRI’s of 32 pitchers who just went the previous season without a DL stint. He found shoulder damage in 75% of them.

  307. hockeymonster says:

    I just elaborated below, van slyke. Who by the way was my favorite CF and outfielder.

  308. Arriba Wilver says:


    Yes, we joke about it, but it’s an apt description.

  309. theplanisworking says:

    ” Does anybody else associate these endings to a post when the discussion is combative as basically being given the middle finger?”

    No, I just wish to not engage in your constant troublemaking any longer. So I wish you a Great Day.

    So you, equate it to a middle finger. Why would that be? Are you so upset I wish to not engage your troublemaking any longer, and by saying good day, you really want to be combative all night? AND, why did you make it combative in the first place? Why did you have to bring your smart-a** strawman into the discussion, when that was giving a middle finger to me?? You had no substantial point to the discussion, so you gave a middle finger to me. Now you are crying about it?

    I don’t care if you think this is a middle finger or not, I wish not to engage you and your troublemaking any more. So…

    Have a Great Day !!

  310. Andrew says:

    Hockey, I think those possession numbers are only 5v5, the numbers I was referring to from his time with the Kings were also only 5v5. Again, I haven’t been right too often today but the other links in the article were only 5v5 numbers.

  311. cmat0829 says:

    exactly… to me, i think the key is that the current level of performance is unacceptable. the conversation is pretty short… does the team and player think that some rest and then rehab is a reasonable path to get it back on track vs. just keep running the guy out there. Player is ok with this in that there is a ‘reason’ he is sucking it up (injury) vs just sucking it up.

    I also think that a pitcher coming off a major arm injury need no additional ‘injury’ to go on the DL… to me, if a pitcher has to rest and try to recover some velocity, DL is justified. Not sure why it would then even be called a ‘convenience list’ or referred to it as that

  312. theplanisworking says:

    Good one, Jim.

  313. theplanisworking says:


  314. hockeymonster says:

    I know they’re 5v5. Just sayin shots happen after PK and PP which skews percentages one way or another for any players on ice.

  315. 21sthebest says:

    How have I deliberately refused to discuss the topic? I gave an opinion. All you said was that I was deliberately missing the point. Also known as lying. I asked you about that accusation. You then attacked. I didn’t break off anything. If you have any additional questions about what I said, fire away. I really don’t have much more to add. I thought my comment on the topic was self explanatory. Also, TC added some comments that I agree with.

    You see what you want to see. And you’re vulgar.

  316. Milo Hamilton says:

    I really think it’s age related. The older you get more things are inflamed & more things stink.

  317. cmat0829 says:

    Perhaps I’m hoping it isn’t Stolmy or Gomez because it would mean more than a day or so of Jared Hughes on this team. This pitching staff just cannot withstand a Jared Hughes outing right now. My BPWW (blood pressure while watching) would be sustainably elevated.

  318. Milo Hamilton says:

    Any chance Wandy’s arthritis traveled to his knee ? Someone should ask him. OK, maybe not.

  319. Arriba Wilver says:

    It’s called that because we like to joke around about it.

  320. NMR says:

    Cumpton is due to pitch Wednesday and Wandy’s next scheduled start is Thursday. Could be a fit.

  321. 21sthebest says:

    “So you, equate it to a middle finger. Why would that be? ”

    Because that’s just how it comes off to me.

  322. 21sthebest says:


  323. Nate83 says:

    You mean it’s going to get worse.

  324. Bizrow says:

    Didn’t the Gunner predict Wandy to the DL a few days ago?

  325. NMR says:

    I think you have to question how fast they brought him back.

    Guy went nine months without throwing a baseball before being put through a reduced load spring training and thrown into big league action.

    He clearly isn’t sharp right now. Doesn’t have any feel for the ball. Considering command has been plus for, oh, the last seven year sof his career, I’m willing to bet we haven’t seen the last of a good Wandy Rodriguez.

  326. theplanisworking says:

    Well that is fine for you, but I feel you are incorrect.

    And, only you would twist have a great day into something else, when you are the one who started all this crap, as per your usual.

    Biz said no arguing today, and everyone on the blog heeded his advice except for you. All the different opinions on here today, and you had to be the first to start ………. I could care less your opinion is different than mine, I know you have a different opinion from me, no matter what the subject. I expect it from you. But you had to drag things down…… nice feather in your cap.

    Have a Great Day !! :D

  327. BillyBaduka says:


  328. Arriba Wilver says:


    Are you saying his demise has been greatly exaggerated? ;-)

  329. 21sthebest says:

    9 months? He threw in mid September.

  330. NMR says:

    I’m really, reeeaaalllyy, trying not to get into arguments. So yes, all these jagoff yinzers who think Wandy ain’t good no more don’t know baseball.

    Just kidding. ;)

  331. NMR says:

    He most certainly didn’t pitch.

  332. 21sthebest says:

    A simulated game.

  333. 21sthebest says:

    Rob B. is reporting that he had an MRI and a large amount of fluid drained from his knee.

  334. NMR says:

    Excuse me. Wandy didn’t pitch for five months, then didn’t pitch for another four months.


  335. Arriba Wilver says:


  336. BillyBaduka says:

    My yep is on response to things generally getting more inflamed and stinky as one ages.

    It’s not about Wandy in particular.

    I took Milo’s comment to be a general observation about aging.

  337. Thundercrack says:

    Maybe he twisted it during yesterday’s brawl.

  338. Arriba Wilver says:

    Convenience list.

  339. 21sthebest says:

    I didn’t start the argument and I don’t always disagree with you.

  340. theplanisworking says:

    You did not discuss the topic, you gave a strawman.
    You smart-a**ed a reply that had nothing to do with the thread.

    Deliberately missing the point, you say I am calling you a liar, wrong, I say you are just causing your usual trouble. If I wanted to call you a liar, I would, trust me.

    Also, I don’t care that you agree with your friend. He at least contributed to the discussion. You did not, no matter how much you twist your smart-a** comment the way you want.

    Just because I rightly called you out for your constant crap, now I am vulgar. If I am vulgar, what on earth does that make you?

    Next time, don’t comment at all, if all you are going to do is throw a smart-a** strawman randomly into any discussion. As I already stated, you were the only one here today to stir things up. No one else. Everyone else disagreed without problems, except for you. But you just will not see that. And all the crying, and twisting in the world won’t change that fact. Get over yourself.

  341. 21sthebest says:

    There’s not one word of truth in any of that.

  342. theplanisworking says:

    Only in your own mind.

    Have a Great Night !! :D

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