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By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Morning, Lunatics …

>> The Wednesday column examines the Penguins’ power play and why it might work now but not for long.

The slightly revised, slightly revitalized defensive corps is our main news story for the day, by Josh Yohe.

Here’s an accompanying video of stuff from Rob Scuderi and Olli Maatta:

Evgeni Malkin has found ‘confidence, maybe,’ by Rob Rossi.

The Blue Jackets claim they’d love another 3-1 lead, by Craig Merz.

Brian Gibbons skates again, and other notes, by Rossi and Yohe.

Blogginess from the scene: You know, I’d been wondering if anyone else thought the Blue Jackets switched to that 1-4 too early in Game 3, and it turns out there was at least one other. James Wisniewski, one of Columbus’ better defensemen, spoke of how his team ‘went to a prevent defense that sometimes prevents you from winning.’ He didn’t cite the system, and he certainly didn’t reference Todd Richards, but the meaning was unmistakable. … You coach the team you have, not the team you wish you had. The Blue Jackets are built to forecheck. See Team USA, Sochi. … I don’t know if Gibbons will play or not, but I do know the Penguins don’t like to have injured players speaking to the media. He did so yesterday. … I asked Maatta if he was recovered from Sochi, or even just feeling fresh somehow: ‘I am now. The playoffs are here. This is the best time of year.’ … Dan Bylsma talked a lot about ‘ugly goals’ in his brief news conference. And I mention that only because it came in a somewhat indirect response to another reporter’s direct question about what Sidney Crosby and Malkin must do to score. Feel free to connect the dots between that and my reference to those two in the power-play column up there. … The 8.3 TV rating for Game 3 in Columbus was by far a franchise record. It’s roughly a third of what the Penguins will generally get, but it’s still a highly encouraging figure for the market.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Penguins page, our Chipped Ice blog and our photo gallery.

Here’s Blue Jackets news from the team’s official site.

Here are official game highlights on, including full footage of the most Flyers thing ever.

>> This time, Johnny Cueto silenced the PNC Park crowd (what there was of it) and the Pirates’ bats, by Rob Biertempfel.

Russell Martin and Travis Snider get suspended, by Travis Sawchik.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page, our Bucco Blog and our photo gallery.

Here’s Reds news from the Cincinnati Enquirer.

Here are official game highlights on

>> Albert Pujols homered twice to achieve 500, a wonderful milestone that’s covered here by the Orange County Register. Here’s hoping for 263 more, big guy!

>> Cam Heyward gets paid by the Steelers, by Alan Robinson.

Oh, and the NFL schedule will be released at 8 p.m. today, shown exclusively on NFL Network. Which basically means will have to wait for independent confirmation to find out if it’s real.

>> Pitt has its hoops opponents for the next two seasons, by Kevin Gorman.

>> I’ll also check in with TribLIVE Radio at 11:30 a.m.

>> Thank you, as always, for reading.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Bizrow says:

    You can teach an old dog new tricks

    Not gonna comment till I read the Trib tomorrow

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  2. Mike says:

    Balmoral QLD represent yo, lol.

    Loved the Rob Rossi article with the quotes about Malkin and Neal doing the dirty work for Jokinen. Yeah, that’s what I like to see, Malkin being the grinder to get Jokinen the puck.

    Heaven forbid Malkin have a linemate who does things or anything- like say forechecking- to help put the puck on Malkin’s stick.

    Heaven forbid the coaches ever see value in that. Or the media outside of Dejan.

  3. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I fail to believe that Reds hurler Johnny Cueto is THAT good of a pitcher….But it’s quite clear to me that the Pirates are THAT bad of an offense.
    Just ridiculous to make a decent pitcher like Cueto look like Nolan Ryan, Greg Maddox and Curt Schilling all rolled up into one big ball.
    I’m sick of it….Sick of no consistent offense from the Pirates once again this year.
    Something is wrong and apparently no one has the answer.

  4. Jonathan says:

    From one Queenslander to another, Mike – go to to get rid of the ghostie avatar :-)

  5. Jonathan says:

    No shame in getting shut down by Cueto. He’s the staff ace, in my opinion, when healthy.

    The offense looks fine to me. Walker is crushing the ball. Cutch is being Cutch. Pedro is hitting bombs to the opposite field and newcomer, Ike Davis, is making an impression. Hopefully, all he needed was a change of scenery?

    I get that you want to see consistency. So do I, but give this team some time to gel. There are signs that this is going to be a much more powerful lineup than last year.

    If I’m going to spend any time worrying about the Pirates at all, it’s going to be over the starting pitching. When did Volquez become our ace?

  6. Ghost says:

    “Here’s hoping for 263 more, big guy (Albert Pujols)!”

    Hmmm… Be careful of what you wish for. Pujols is infinitely more likable a person than Bonds. But I, personally, am suspiscious of everyone in the last 20 years who cleared the 500 HR mark, with the single exception of Junior. It would be too devasating a blow should the career HR mark fall again, just to turn out to be pharmaceutially aided once more. Anyway, Pujols will be lucky to even get to No. 600 as he is NOT really 34 years old. (And I lament having become being so cynical. But the baseball landscape is what it is, these days.)

  7. Ghost says:

    Now, now. Some of us are partial to “ghostie avatars.”

  8. Ghost says:

    Anyone see A.J. get a single tonight, just to have Puig try to throw him out at 1st? Great little reaction by A.J. after he safely pulled in, basically gesturing to Puig to chill out.

  9. Brandie says:

    Greetings Queenslander. I think The Vulcan Volquez has a chip on his shoulder and the desire to write a better story for himself that are driving his efforts to refine and reclaim his talent. Good on him. I am waiting for the rest of the staff to do the same. :)

  10. Brandie says:

    Tell ‘em Ghostavo!!!

  11. 21sthebest says:

    4th in the NL in runs per game.

  12. Rico says:

    Not sure how many games you’ve watched, but the offense has been the most consistent part of the team this year. Obviously, Cueto has had their number so far, but that happens, so why can’t we just give him credit for pitching his butt off? I’m much more concerned about the inconsistent starting pitching, Volquez aside, and the way-too-leaky shark tank that we’ve seen in the early going. Pitching was the key to their resurgence last year, and will be again this year if they’re going to go anywhere.

  13. tdb1977 says:


  14. bpn8pitt says:

    25th in BA. 23rd in OBP.

  15. Jandy says:

    Daq buddy, I like you, but you seriously need to relax a bit. Cueto had a helluva game last night. Give the man some credit. Yes, he was that good.
    Volquez was very good, Cueto was better.

  16. Jandy says:

    Welcome, Queensland! Biz, is that on our list????

  17. bpn8pitt says:

    I have watched every game and I’m still withholding judgment on this offense.

    I have a hard time believing Neil Walker is gonna hit 35-40 hrs.

    They’ve made a lot of pedestrian pitchers look good, Cueto aside. Take away the 12 run Milwaukee game, the numbers don’t look as good.

    They have more hrs than 2b and triples combined.

    Maybe its not a bad offense, but its hardly consistent.

  18. JAL says:

    JAL’s Gotta Travel On Morning Links


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 BFFL’s 2014 Pirates Stats Spreadsheet

    4 Pirates Prospects

    Pittsburgh Pirates Organizational Probable Pitching Chart

    BLOGS and such

    5—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: The Pirates Would Be Struggling Now, Even With Gregory Polanco

    Prospect Watch: Three Hits and a Homer Each For Gregory Polanco and Stetson Allie

    Injury Updates: Luis Heredia, Jameson Taillon, Austin Meadows

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Johnny Cueto dominates as Reds win 4-1

    Pirates’ postgame: Notes and quotes from a 4-1 loss

    7 Rumbunter

    Pittsburgh Pirate Pitching Needs to Improve

    8 Green Weenie

    Cueto Cuts Bucs Down To Size 4-1


    Game 21: Reds 4 Pirates 1

    10 City of Champions

    Reds Ace Johnny Cueto Silences Pittsburgh Pirates Again

  19. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 CBS Sports

    Pirates vs Reds Game Preview

    12 Chicago Sun Times

    While Wrigley parties, Theo’s mind is on Cubs winning

    13 Rant Sports

    MLB Botched Suspensions From Pittsburgh Pirates-Milwaukee Brewers Brawl

    14 Pirates Site

    Cueto twirls second straight complete game vs. Bucs

    Liriano’s April woes keep up amid frigid weather

    15 SB Nation

    Albert Pujols home run #500: Doing it backwards

    16 Cincinnati Enquirer

    Cueto close to perfect in Reds’ 4-1 win over Pirates

    17 Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

    Too many unanswered questions in Sunday’s brawl with Pirates

    18 St. Louis Post Dispatch

    Wainwright OK after twisting knee

    19 Fangraphs

    Simulating and Identifying Platoon Players

    20 Baseball Prospectus

    What PITCHf/x Can Tell Us About Batters

  20. JAL says:

    Steelers Blogs

    21 Behind the Steel Curtain

    Ike Taylor thinks Steelers should draft a cornerback in first round

    2014 NFL schedule to be released at 8 p.m. April 23


    22 Bloomberg Stats Insight

    A Few Thoughts on Statistics and Analytics, Part I

    23 BBC Football

    Manchester United: Manager hunt starts but Ryan Giggs not in race

    David Moyes: Powerless to prevent the death of his dream

    24 World Soccer

    Don’t blame Moyes, blame Ferguson


    25 Pensburgh

    Tuesday Pens Points: Another Comeback

  21. Nastynate82 says:

    Oh so you have proof he’s not 34? Please share.

  22. theplanisworking says:

    For those coming down on Daquido today, re-read his comment. It says CONSISTENT offense! From what I have seen, the Pirates will score 11 runs one game, 2 the next. Score 7 and lose, then score 1. That, by any measurement, is not consistent. Now, I am not saying this team should be the ’27 Yankees (Hi Neil), but Daq’s point about consistency is spot on.

    My much bigger concern about this team is the pitching. Most people thought the Pirates could have pitching like last year, but a regression was more then likely. Last year, the pitching was stellar, this year, not so much.

    Also, if Edinson Volquez is the staff ‘ace’ the way he is surprisingly pitching, this is going to be a long year. And with Taillon now gone for another 12-15 months, well, you get the picture.

  23. theplanisworking says:


  24. The Bucs couldn’t do anything vs. Johnny Cueto last night. It’s that simple. He’ll never let them forget that playoff game, naturally.

  25. Luiz Mello says:

    This Carcillo Vine may be my favorite video ever.

  26. Jandy says:

    I’m not coming down on Daq, Hipposter, just asking that he give credit where credit is due. Cueto DID pitch a very good game last night.

  27. Jandy says:

    It’s darn good! lol

  28. theplanisworking says:

    Link # 13 is spot on. Maldonado deserved a longer suspension.
    Link # 17 is propaganda at its finest. if Milwaukee fans/media are to be believed, only the Pirates deserved any suspensions, including Cole, and the Brewers were/are angels that didn’t deserve any suspensions. Yech reading that piece this morning.

  29. theplanisworking says:

    Ok, I give Cueto credit for last night.
    Does that help?? ;)

  30. Jandy says:

    LOL! PFFFT! :P

  31. Wild Bill says:

    A classic. You could wish for the arena roof to fall on both of them.

  32. theplanisworking says:

    Thank You for links # 23 and 24.
    I have always thought Ferguson screwed the pooch on Moyes hiring ……. the man was put in a no-win situation. Now, Fergie has to find another manager so soon.

  33. Wild Bill says:

    As unhappy as I was over the Pirates loss, I woke this morning in a good mood because I watched a lot of the Flyers loss last night. I hate the Flyers that much.

  34. Wild Bill says:

    Back to the Bucs offense for a moment. The answer is not on the roster, but Marte as a lead off hitter is hurtin us right now.

  35. DJ says:

    Love this clip of MacKinnon and the display of speed / power.

    The Wild D-man could have broken an ankle. Hope we see something similar tonight from Sid or Geno.

  36. Jandy says:

    you and me both, Wild One. I cannot stand the Philthy Flyers.

  37. Thundercrack says:

    Well…they did score 12 against the Cards and 11 against the Brewers. ( I was at both games). So that might skew the runs/game stat.

    But I am not near ready to light my hair on fire….or jump on the Wagon of Doom & Gloom that some drive through here

  38. Thundercrack says:

    I saw the replay and thought it was really funny.

  39. theplanisworking says:

    For anyone who has a couple hours to waste tonight, ESPN2 is having a 2-hour NFL Schedule unveiling show. Yes, 2 hours for the 2014 NFL schedule.

    Gee, good thing the Pirates and Pens both play tonight.

  40. Karen22 says:

    This is so true!

  41. Karen22 says:

    HAHAHA! What insanity! REALLY?! Is anyone going to watch this arrogant farce??

  42. Thundercrack says:

    He also says

    ‘But it’s quite clear to me that the Pirates are THAT bad of an offense.’

  43. Karen22 says:

    Good morning, loons.

    Pitching pitching pitching. ALL of it (save Volquez!) has been disappointing at times thus far. If we don’t fix THAT, it doesn’t matter what the offense does.

  44. Zico says:

    Everyone forgets that Cueto was 3 games back from injury last October when the Buccos and the crowd got to him. 2 Years ago, he was a top of the rotation starter. The man is no slouch. The Pirates offense IS inconsistent. My buddies and I always joke the Pirates pile it on after a game is already decided. Such as 8 runs in the 8th inning to make it 12-2.

    Plus it’s April. The ship isn’t sinking yet.

  45. Thundercrack says:

    I’ll have to take another closer look at the schedule and the record. I don’t think there were a lot of ‘pedestrian pitchers’. Some. But I don’t recall a lot. Especially the ones not on the Cubs.

  46. Jandy says:

    Kind of reminds one of Mario, eh?

  47. theplanisworking says:

    Yes, it’s called an opinion, TC.

    April 23, 2014 at 6:50 AM

    25th in BA. 23rd in OBP.

    ^^^^ That isn’t too good.

  48. Thundercrack says:

    Do you know what else might skew the runs/game stat. Just 20 games so far.


  49. Jandy says:

    How much hair do you have anyway, TC?


  50. theplanisworking says:

    ” But I am not near ready to light my hair on fire….or jump on the Wagon of Doom & Gloom that some drive through here. ”

    No, but it didn’t stop you from taking a shot at those who do. I am not lighting my hair on fire either, and I don’t drive the Doom and Gloom Wagon, but I won’t try to stop those who have that opinion.

  51. Thundercrack says:

    I realize that. But you wanted us to re-read it and focus on the part where he says ‘consistent’.
    So his opinion is that they are bad and not consistent.

    Have a nice day.

  52. Thundercrack says:

    less & less Jandy

  53. Thundercrack says:

    Who said I was talking about you?

    Have a nice day.

  54. NMR says:

    Great comment, Rico.

  55. theplanisworking says:

    Oh, I didn’t say you were talking about me.

    And it’s ‘Have a Great Day’ !!! :D

  56. Thundercrack says:

    I went to the Springsteen concert last night. I laughed every time I heard someone yell out the song request “Thundercrack!” I think even the Mrs. was amused.

    Unfortunately he didn’t play it, but it was a great show.

  57. Karen22 says:

    To DK – “Any questions?” YES: WHY would the Pens change anything about their #1 ranked power play for the playoffs??


  58. theplanisworking says:

    Yes, TC, like I said, it’s called opinion.

    And, it’s ‘Have Great Day’ !!! :D

  59. Thundercrack says:

    OK. Maybe I’ll call you The Protector of All Opinions

    You did one time say that I was playing God here on the blog, so I hope I am not overstepping my bounds.

  60. Jandy says:

    LOL now THAT would be funny ;)

  61. Dom says:

    They do realize that we already know each team’s opponents this upcoming season, right?

    The only thing left to unveil is when each team will face when.

  62. Dom says:

    A quick online search showed the Steelers will face every other team in our division twice, every team in the NFC south, Houston, Indy, KC, Tennessee, NY Jets, and Jacksonville.

    There. I just saved every two hours.

  63. Dom says:


  64. Jandy says:

    Thanks Dom! :*

  65. NMR says:

    I understand what you’re trying to do, buddy. But you’re introducing bias into the statistic by only taking out one side of the outlier.

    Of course the numbers, any numbers, won’t look as good when you only take out the LARGEST individual value.

  66. JAL says:

    Thought 23 b was well written, sums it up nicely

  67. Jandy says:

    uh-oh….there’s that “buddy” thing again ;)

  68. Wild Bill says:

    Did you take a bow when called upon??

  69. Jandy says:

    Temptress! hey :)

  70. NMR says:

    Is that taboo now? I use it honestly, or at least as much as it applies to internet blog friends.

  71. Jandy says:

    No NMR, I was actually ragging on you. I get quite a kick out of it :)
    I know you two are buddies and I also get a kick out of the give and go you two give each other.
    I’ll just watch, carry on!

  72. Botherhood of the Redus says:

    Nailed it Rico….

  73. theplanisworking says:

    Well, you can certainly call me the Protector of All Opinions. Your choice. I just don’t believe in squashing opinions.

    But, I again wish you to
    Have a Nice Day!!! :D

  74. Jandy says:

    LOL! I was pulling mine quite a bit last week. My scalp still hurts.

  75. NMR says:

    Ha, ok, just making sure. The feeling may not be mutual, but I wouldn’t respond to bpn, or any others, if I didn’t value what they add.

  76. scapper says:

    Springsteen playing “Clampdown.” WOW. I don’t think I’d ever go to another show because I know I’d already seen the concert Promised Land. Favorite Clash song ever.

  77. Jandy says:

    I think the mutual respect is there, NMR. I value the input of yinz guys too, keeps me learning more about the Bucs.

  78. Arriba Wilver says:


  79. Thundercrack says:

    I really want to let this go. But can you explain to me how I am squashing anyone’s opinion?

    Is disagreeing with an opinion the same thing as squashing ?

  80. theplanisworking says:

    Hey guys, don’t shoot the messenger here.
    I just happened to stumble across the fact that there is indeed a 2-hour televised NFL Schedule show.

    My only guess is that ESPN feels the need to point out some interesting matchups in the season, and will discuss. I can’t figure much else.

  81. Nate83 says:

    Agree completely. Scoring runs in bunches is part of baseball. Every team has games they score double digits. Take out two games they got shut out and it pushes the number the other way. I’m sure most if not all of the teams in the top 10 in runs this year have games with over 10 runs. Should we go through and get rid of those games as well and run the stats all over again to see exactly how much that effects their overall ranking?

  82. hockeymonster says:

    Mario would’ve deeked the goalie too.

  83. theplanisworking says:

    ” or jump on the Wagon of Doom & Gloom that some drive through here”

    To me this is a direct shot at those who do not agree with your positive-at-all-costs view of the team. That is your right, but come on. Are those types of shots really necessary? Really?

    And I know you can’t be talking about me this year, because I have been muted in my criticisms of the team for the most part. Haven’t said one word about Hurdle, strategy, ………. I have passionately questioned the offseason the Pirates had, but so have others. I have even given my whipping boy Volquez his just props.

    Oh, and another thing……… you said you really want to let this go, is that like when you said you were going to ignore me, then came back to take jabs at me the very next day?

    It was very nice and peaceful yesterday, TC, to borrow another one of your lines.

  84. Jandy says:

    aha it’s another buddy :)

  85. Jandy says:

    OK OK Ok fine…but it STILL reminds you of Mario, admit it :)

  86. theplanisworking says:

    Very much so. I have noticed, on the whole, that British papers/media pull no punches when offering opinions.

    I have a friend who is an huge Man U fan, and sent him these links without any commentary. I don’t know if he will like them, as he feels Ferguson handled everything correctly. But thanks again for the soccer links.

  87. Arriba Wilver says:

    Still like AJ. He’s good for the game.

  88. NMR says:

    -Albert Pujols is still a damn good hitter. Maybe it was contract backlash, but I never understood the eagerness at which some writers called his demise during a season in which he could barely run due to injuries. He’s healthy now, and it shouldn’t surprise anyone when he ends up one of the top 10 hitters in the American League.

    -Speaking of the effect injuries have on performance, the best hitter in the world – Miguel Cabrera – is hitting .257 with a .371 slugging percentage since September of last year.

    Baseball is really, really hard.

  89. Jandy says:


  90. Wouldn’t mind seeing Albert or Cabrera playing first for us. I don’t care what their BA or slugging % is.

    Like Milo said last night, Polanco’s name must come up from now until he is called up sometime in June.

    Last night in Toledo, 3-5, HR (3), 4 RBI, (20), BA .419 (small sample size, getting bigger)

    Just for good measure, Lambo 3-5, 2 RBI (9), BA .333

  91. AL says:

    Agreed Karen…..keep pressing the attack and shooooooot! I hope the Pens develop and keep a “coyote” mindset in the playoffs. Someday I actually think he WILL catch the roadrunner but in the meantime you have to admire his relentless persistence. Keep trying and never give up!
    Of course, an updated line of Acme products would help too.
    (Am I showing my age?)

  92. Jandy says:


  93. hockeymonster says:

    Well if sid thinks we don’t need to change anything than he and geno need to atleast be on opposite sides of the ice. I still think we’ll end up toiling on the perimeter cuz columbus will focus on not allowing the 1 RH shot take a one timer. Between that and their faith in Bob it won’t be easy for a lefty to take a pass and get off a dangerous shot.

  94. 21sthebest says:

    I think runs per game is the most important offensive stat bpn.

  95. 21sthebest says:

    Hey I was at both of those games too. Maybe we need to coordinate our schedules to ensure the best possible offensive production.

  96. Nate83 says:

    Why must it come up if we all know he won’t come up until mid June? Almost every team in the league would be handling the situation exactly like the Pirates. He had practically zero at-bats in AAA before this year. No matter how he is hitting he is learning things daily that make him more prepared for when he comes up. I want to see him in the majors as much as anyone but it’s just not going to happen.

  97. Jandy says:

    haha AL, my Dad LOVED Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner…he laughed his butt off watching that cartoon :)
    Thanks for stirring the memory.

  98. AL says:

    no problemo!
    right up there with a train under the Christmas tree too!

  99. Karen22 says:

    Hey hey! :)

  100. GAWTS2009 says:

    Under PA where I’m from its “Greencastle” We do not have a Green Castle here haha. Everyone seems to make that mistake for some reason. Thank’s for keeping this! I love looking over it and seeing how far this blog reaches.

  101. theplanisworking says:

    Don’t make me use the word obfuscate 2 days in a row, Reverend.


  102. Jandy says:

    Biz is Da Man!

  103. Jandy says:

    go ahead, I DARE ya :P


  104. theplanisworking says:

    Nate, indeed.

    I feel the Pirates are handling this correctly as well.
    Being the Pirates aren’t a wealthy team, they have to be careful with situations like this. Cole came up in mid-June last year also. Polanco will come up when the Bucs are sure he isn’t going to be a Super 2.

    The only way I can see him being called up is if both Tabata, and Snider get injured for a lengthy time. if the team rights the ship, no need to bring him up. If the team nosedives, no need to bring him up.

  105. theplanisworking says:

    It’s already up there !!! ^^^^^^


  106. 21sthebest says:

    And Pedro is 6 for his last 43 with a .143 RISP for the year.

  107. GAWTS2009 says:

    As a stats major I’ve done a couple projects involving calculating baseball wins by various factors. From what I’ve found batting average often matters very little compared to runs scored. With that being said I measured many many other varibles with that. The results last year turned out similar to what I had predicted with a few outliers such as the pirates. I leave it at this; Baseball has more unmeasurables than any other sport and almost ever stat is in correlation with each other somehow/someway.
    It doesn’t take much knowlege of stats to understand without a rise in BA the runs will not remain at that level.
    We should be worried about both pitching, batting, and I would even throw in error’s right now becuase none are pointing to the right direction in the future
    However, With all the projects I have to show for it none of them can accuractly predict baseball.
    My best project had the Red sox winning 120 games last year… but did predict the rise of the O’s over the past years. And roughly had the playoff matchups right.
    In the end it’s how they play each individual game with all the untangibles.

  108. GAWTS2009 says:

    Should say BA matters very little to calculate number of wins… but BA does correlate to Runs which does affect wins

  109. Jandy says:

    LOL! pFFFT! :P

  110. 21sthebest says:

    I think what Cal Ripken did is one of the most amazing things ever done in sports. Playing in 160 games in a season once is an incredible feat to me. He did it 15 times.

  111. Thundercrack says:

    Still haven’t explained how my comments squashed anyone from giving their opinion.

    But that’s OK. I’ll just fast-forward and save myself the time because I know how this ends.
    It ends with you making the accusation that ‘groups’ are bullying you. It always gets turned towards you.

    Good Day.

    And let me add this for good measure: :-)

  112. 21sthebest says:

    “No matter how he is hitting he is learning things daily that make him more prepared for when he comes up.”

    I think it’s a tough call. Conversely, every day down there is a day he’s not learning things at the Major League level like the speed of the game and dealing with more Major League pitchers like the pitchers in our division for starters. How much Major League caliber pitching is he seeing in Triple A? But one thing I wouldn’t mind seeing is for him to struggle for a bit in Triple A and figure out how to come out of it. But if that never happens, that’s fine with me.

  113. go21bucs says:

    but, he sure does look weird in that angels uni.

    (long time reader, first time poster….)

  114. Jandy says:

    I just don’t like Sid and Geno on the same PP, but that’s just me.

  115. 21sthebest says:

    “this is a direct shot at those who do not agree with your positive-at-all-costs view of the team”

    I don’t think TC has that view. And one could argue that that’s a direct shot at him and deliberately misstating his beliefs.

  116. Dom says:

    I apologize if I came across as being short with you. not my intention.

  117. Sarah says:

    Yeah. Hard to split it into two tho. One unit generally gets about 90secs….the other much less.
    Needs more balance for sure however esp the R v L shots.

  118. Jandy says:

    Dom, silly you, Plan has no beef with you, just expanding on what you posted. :)

  119. Jandy says:


  120. GAWTS2009 says:

    and I thought I over analyze what people intended to say. I have every right to demean other peoples’ oppinion if they do not align with mine. I actaully enjoy doing so as long as I can back it up with my number buddies. Intelligent conversation thrives on difference of oppinion! On that note back to your daily squabbling.

  121. Who said anything about calling him up? Everybody knows it’ll be June. What did we have 4 hits last night? We should be able to win with that, right, especially if one is a solo homer?

    I wouldn’t waste 15 million either just to win a few games. Ski lifts probably only run about 5 million or so and that would be enough for 3.

    You guys can obfuscate all you want but the bottom line (small sample size, it’s early, snapshot, etc. etc.) is we’re 9-12 in 4th place right now only 1 game better than the Cubs.

    Looking forward to June if we’re still in the Wild Card race.


  122. GAWTS2009 says:

    21 I believe you are right here. We must have posted the same time

  123. Jandy says:

    haha Revvie’s on a roll! Go, Revvie, Go!

  124. You’re right about that. He hasn’t been through the league once yet. But this kid has been playing non-stop for a while now and playing well.

    Looking forward to June.

  125. GAWTS2009 says:

    Learn the most when someone hits rock bottom

  126. theplanisworking says:

    “Still haven’t explained how my comments squashed anyone from giving their opinion.”

    Ok, TC, lets go back to last year, when people (like me) who criticized Hurdle were argued with vociferously. After a while, I determined that the constant praise of Hurdle, even when he made mistakes, and the constant arguing with anyone who dared criticize him, was akin to saying “no criticism of Hurdle is allowed.” No one TECHNICALLY said no criticism was allowed, but by arguing every time someone said a bad word about anything Hurdle did, the impression could be strongly made that people weren’t allowed to criticize him.

    Now today, “drive the Wagon of Doom and Gloom” infers that people aren’t allowed to cheer/criticize the team the way they wish. You didn’t TECHNICALLY say that, but it is inferred by your shot at those posters.

    Oh, and I haven’t said a thing about me. You realize you are wrong, and instead of conceding the point, you throw out that tired excuse about me. I wish you would have been a man of your word and ignored me. But you lied, and you just have to argue. You are entitled to do that, but at what end?

    I again wish you a Great Day !!! :D

    (You didn’t make the smiley big enough). :D

  127. No, not really J-girl. I just get tired of all the excuses. I know it’s the state of the game now. There is no getting around it.

    But PA was 11,900 last night. Seriously? I know it’s a weekday, school’s still in, etc., but if you put a product out there that you know will compete night to night with the best product available to you, 11,900 would be a mark in the wind.

    Just me. I understand it can’t be and will never be the old way.

  128. 21sthebest says:

    And I think that’s a good test of someone’s character.

    “Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved.”
    ― Helen Keller

  129. theplanisworking says:


    “I don’t think TC has that view. And one could argue that that’s a direct shot at him and deliberately misstating his beliefs.”

    Of course you think TC doesn’t have that view. No surprise there.

    A direct shot at him? No surprise you feel that way also. I am not deliberately misstating his beliefs, but you will never agree.

    Also, if anyone else would say this, you wouldn’t disagree with them……… but because it is me, and you simply have to disagree with me on every single thing, no surprise there.

    Another person I wish wouldn’t argue every thing I say, but you have been consistent for 5 years, why change now?

    Have a Great Day!!! :D

  130. Jason says:

    I’ve read some of the comments from the Blue Jackets’ players and coaches after the games. I may be alone in thinking this, but do they sound like a team that’s never “been there before?” Granted, they haven’t. But, saying things that the Pens aren’t anything special, and the such don’t really sound very professional. I guess I’m used to the Pens’ players and staff saying about how the other team, no matter who they may be, are great and point out they need to elevate their level of play. Of course, I may be reading too much into things…

  131. theplanisworking says:


    “I have every right to demean other peoples’ oppinion if they do not align with mine.”

    Nice, job.
    While I guess you technically do, most people don’t claim the right to “demean” others opinions. Disagree, yes, demean, no. Intelligent conversation does not arise from demeaning others opinions.

    But, you just gave a snapshot into what you think of others opinions.

    Have a Great Day! :D

  132. Jandy says:

    I know, Revvie, but I love to see you so spirited :D

    I know how it is to get tired of something. believe me I do!

  133. theplanisworking says:

    Yeah Dom, no beef with you!!!

    I agree 101% with your posts.
    Just a playful ducking of blog-related shrapnel.


  134. GAWTS2009 says:

    Plan: while I generally value and respect your oppinion. I find it very disconcerning that you seem to constantly think people are in attack mode. I understand you have a much longer history with some on here compared to how often I check in but it comes across to new or infrequent readers that you are the one that blows things out of proportion. I know I wouldn’t want to see you constintly calling out everyone for attacking other people. It’s the internet; It is not much more than a blog; It happens every day (most the time the demeaning is done the correct way, with numbers and “proof” to back up their oppinion). I probably end up on your attack list after this but I’m tired of reading about you defending someone’s oppinion by bringing up old crap that is irrelivent. It turns people away from posting as it did me for a long time. If those people asked you to defend their oppinion then I apologize. I just don’t see where TC has tried to demean anyone without facts. I actually appreciated his quote “Doom & Gloom” thinking it was funny. But hey I like funny. Didn’t read into it that it was attacking or generalizing anyone specifically into that group.

  135. 21sthebest says:

    I’m not in the you have to wait until June club Lucky (and it’s apparently late June to avoid Super 2 this year), but I’m also not so sure that success in AAA means success in the Majors right away. It’s a wild card to me. It might be a chance worth taking but above you made this comment:

    “What did we have 4 hits last night? We should be able to win with that, right, especially if one is a solo homer?”

    I agree with you but what I’m saying is that I’m not assuming he would have done that last night if he were in the Majors.

  136. NMR says:

    One game off .500 and a significant amount of fans said “nah, these guys stink. I’m staying home.”?

  137. NMR says:


    I find it to be quite an extreme leap in logic to watch 8 actual Major League hitters get shut down by a given pitcher and then conclude that a kid without a single major league at-bat would’ve made a difference.

  138. theplanisworking says:

    Look at the Reverend all full of pi** and vinegar today !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

    Seriously, I know you didn’t say to call him up now. But on that note, why mention his name every single day if we know he isn’t going to be called up?

    Just looked for an excuse to use a big word again today. Meant no shots at you, or your opinion, Reverend. Hope I didn’t come across that way.

  139. NMR says:

    Great point, and he did it while playing at a high level up until the last couple years.

  140. 21sthebest says:

    “Of course you think TC doesn’t have that view. No surprise there.”

    It shouldn’t be a surprise. Agreed. For example, I have seen TC criticize ownership, the front office, specific players, the manager, and other things. So no, I don’t think he has a “positive-at-all-costs view of the team.” I really don’t think anybody here does. I also don’t think anyone has a negative at all costs view of the team.

  141. Jandy says:

    Jason, what I get from that is that the BJ’s aren’t playing the PR game to be nice, they are playing it to get into the Pen’s heads.

  142. GAWTS2009 says:

    good quote

  143. Jandy says:

    In all fairness, guys, I don’t believe Spunky was saying he’d do well against Cueto or someone with that level of talent. He SHOULD do well against a lot of pitchers. But hey, what do I know?

  144. GAWTS2009 says:

    That’s what I have assumed. Tried to take an agitator style of play and attitude to the pens and get them off their game. And why not try it; it’s worked for other teams

  145. theplanisworking says:

    Gentleman, I am not interested in continuing this all day. I know you won’t ever agree with what I say. I tried to present my case here, but as usual, I failed to reach you.

    As I am out the door, I really wish you all a Great Day.

  146. Jandy says:


  147. AL says:

    I don’t think you’re reading too much into it Jason. Younger players haven’t developed a lot of wisdom yet so they have a tendency to say things older players would not dare to.
    The Red Wings taught the Pens that lesson back in 2008 when they won the cup with their older team.

  148. 21sthebest says:

    “A direct shot at him? No surprise you feel that way also. I am not deliberately misstating his beliefs, but you will never agree.”

    Well you felt the gloom and doom was a direct shot. You may not be deliberately misstating his beliefs. I didn’t say that you were with 100% certainty. I give you the benefit of the doubt. But it looks like you’re accusing others of what you could be accused of doing as well.

    “Also, if anyone else would say this, you wouldn’t disagree with them……… but because it is me, and you simply have to disagree with me on every single thing, no surprise there.”

    You said this other day and I’ll repeat myself. I don’t disagree with you on every single thing.

  149. 21sthebest says:

    That’s not the one I was looking for, but I like it as well.

  150. cmat0829 says:

    Good day, fellow asylum-mates:

    1) last night’s game was ZZZ on the offensive side, frustrating that as often as these players see Cueto, they can’t put together at bats that at least challenge the man. But I will ‘tip my cap’ to Mr. Cueto. He is good.

    2) I continue to be very, very impressed with Volquez. This season is a journey, not a destination (saw that on a nifty cat poster in a shuttered Hallmark store)… he may indeed become un-Locked, as that pitcher did last 2nd half, but I’ll take each and every good start and put it in the bank. So far, so very good for Edinson.

    3) Time to give Cumpton an extended run to see he can become a major league starter and not just a very good fill-in. With others in the pipeline with higher profile, but also with 2015 holes / opportunities in the rotation, this is Brandon’s time to shine.

    4) I’ll leave the fairly tired “Polanco would be here if Nutting weren’t so cheap” debate to others, I’ll just enjoy this period of anticipation… it is certainly a change of fortune for this franchise to be anticipating a player’s debut who is as talented as this… we are having quite a string of this actually, dating back to Cutch, then Pedro, then Marte, then Cole, now Polanco….

    5) As to the offense.. I am seeing signs the 2014 offense will be better than the 2013 team… Walker seems to have found something; Ike is a good addition; and I have little doubt that Cutch, Marte and Pedro will at least be what they were last year (perhaps a little regression for Cutch, maybe a little progression for the other gents)… and Polanco when he arrives should be a boost as well. Still this is not an ideal lineup… no good leadoff option, not enough onbase guys, little situational hitting, etc. But it is better, at least to my eyes. I will generally save my ogling the stats til end of May, due to fluctuations due to small sample sizes.

  151. Thundercrack says:

    Thank you GAWT. Come around more often.

    And get it right, I said “The Wagon of Doom & Gloom”.

  152. NMR says:

    Understood Jandy, but seeing as we’re not all lawyers I believe it is generally safe to assume that when somebody just so happens to bring up Polanco on a night where the offense stinks it is not a coincidence.

  153. Jandy says:

    Hey I’m no lawyer, I’m not even an architect or engineer, I’m just a lowly project manager ;)

  154. NMR says:

    And yet still somehow striking out 10% less than career average. Guy is seriously snake-bit this season.

  155. Milo Hamilton says:

    That Pirates are 4th in the league in runs scored & 11th in ERA. Pretty much sums it up.

  156. NMR says:

    Simple as that.

  157. GAWTS2009 says:

    HAHA TC sorry forgot to include the wagon.

    PLAN: I find your “Have a great day” to be extremly sarcastic and that hurts my feelings. Therefore I shall go into ATTACK mode but I can’t because each time you simply run away like a spoiled 16 yr old screming I’m right no one agrees with me.

    Clarification: this was I guess an attack on a single person but he started it first!

    HAVE A GREAT DAY! **snicker** sorry smileys are reserved for Jandy!

  158. Milo Hamilton says:

    I see something was going on above, should I read it ?

  159. Thundercrack says:

    Feel free to infer all you want. That doesn’t mean you will be correct.

  160. 21sthebest says:

    Baby steps I suppose.

  161. GAWTS2009 says:

    meh just plan doing his thing

  162. 21sthebest says:

    If you have no self respect, sure!

  163. GAWTS2009 says:

    I still think the pens take this in 5 after a close game tonight

  164. Scott says:

    I’ve never understood the “but they won’t get equal time!” argument. Start Sid’s unit on the first PP, Geno’s unit on the next. The playing time evens out. I sincerely hope THAT’S not the reason we’re not splitting them up.

  165. GAWTS2009 says:

    Could these pens utilize the 3 system model with todays lineup? I think they could but we have so many quality face off men. I’m open to hear any argument as i’m not convienced either way!

  166. Andrew says:

    Crosby and Malkin on the same power play has always been a bit redundant, I agree with Hockey that tweaks can be made. It is my opinion that the Penguins power play has usually struggled against teams that pressure the points and destroyed teams that sit in a passive box.

    However, if you take a step back is there actually an issue with the power play, scoring 25% of the time doesn’t mean you get a goal every four chances.

  167. Milo Hamilton says:


  168. Nate83 says:

    Disagree completely. Polanco increases attendance marginally and the team has zero extra wins this year with him in the line up. This is no different then the first base anger. Look around the league at the so called options “missed on” this off season. Not a single one of them outperformed what Gabby/Ishi gave over the first 18 games.

    Nobody is making excuses. If they miss the playoffs by 1 or 2 games because of the 9-12 start the play of our right fielders is so far down the list of reasons why. Blown saves, errors, shortstop play, HR’s given up by starting pitching, middle of line up average with runners in scoring position. Polanco is not going to bat .350 or even hit more then 15 home runs his first year.

    It’s just personal opinion but adding him to gain 40 games at this point and sacrificing what you are able to do in 2019,2020 and 2021 is short sighted and bad business. The guy hasn’t even played 30 games against AAA. There is no harm in allowing him to continue to develop as long as Snider and Tabata are playing well.

  169. Jandy says:

    do something, Damm*t! lol

  170. Thundercrack says:

    with that comment I feel that you trying to squash Milo’s inquisitive nature.
    please stop.

  171. Wild Bill says:

    Enjoyed the discussion above about Polanco (again). What it leaves me thinking is how unique baseball is compared to any other professional sport; all of the others move their best young talent to the forefront as quickly as possible. With baseball, we have this “they have to learn the game” mentality, along with “were worried about their Super 2 or free agency clock”.

    The Steelers draft a great new kid – into the lineup. The Pens draft a great new kid – slightly longer, but quickly. Pro basketball throws the equivalent of college sophomores on the court right away.

    I can’t decide if baseball is so much more difficult to play or if we’re all being duped.

  172. Andrew says:

    I’ll Pirates starters are 14th in the NL in FIP.

  173. Jandy says:


  174. Arriba Wilver says:

    No salary cap is probably the main reason IMO. And it isn’t happening anytime soon, only the fans seem to want it.

  175. Eight? That’s a stretch, brother. Polanco is probably better than _____ of them.

    I just enjoyed the disgust in Milo’s tone last night.

    I won’t bring Polanco up again.

    Until tonight.

  176. Andrew says:

    Cumpton to start for the Pirates tomorrow, not sure if anyone else mentioned it yet.

  177. 21sthebest says:

    “There is no harm in allowing him to continue to develop as long as Snider and Tabata are playing well.”

    Well right field OPS is 12th in the NL at .538. Snider is doing okay in my book. Tabata is awful.

  178. Neither am I. I’m a minister that’s apparently out of touch with how to win these days. Nutting could given that 15 million to the Lord’s work, too, I guess.

  179. 21sthebest says:

    It’s called opinions.

  180. Wild Bill says:

    A useful point, AW.

  181. cmat0829 says:

    Good to see it confirmed, was the obvious choice, i want him to get a good shot at regular rotation starts this time, he was great as fill in but he deserves a shot.

  182. Jandy says:

    Sounds good!

  183. Good post, Nate Madlock.

  184. Don’t bother, Milo. SOS.

  185. cmat0829 says:

    Nothing a few very well-pitched games and a few more outputs like last night can’t fix, in terms of stats. I think the offense will be more consistent, though I doubt they can sustain the 4th in runs scored status over the full year…. and I know the pitching will get better, especially Cole and Liriano.

  186. The Greg Hallaman Show says:

    Neptune Beach, FL.

  187. Nate83 says:

    cmat, I agree with you on number 5. The home runs will not continue at the same rate but I do think the averages will come up based on what I have watched so far this year. Marte is not going to strike out 240 times. Cutch seems to be coming out of his early season funk. Mercer seemed to be coming around offensively before the minor injury.

    Davis isn’t great but he isn’t exactly someone that I think you pitch around hitters in front of him to get to. He walks enough to extend innings and make you pay. He lengthens the line up and Polanco will do the same when he arrives. With Polanco and Davis in the line up I feel like there are 7 hitters that present the ability to change the game with one swing of the bat.

  188. Milo Hamilton says:

    Only 11th in strikeouts. They aren’t missing many bats, that’s for sure.

  189. cmat0829 says:

    btw thanks to you and others who are so quick with the facts (is that a 4-letter word for blogs, facts?) and the stats… I’m too lazy to look them up, would rather just sit back and look at pictures on the Internet. Which is why I love DK’s “No Soup for You”-esque insistence on avatars.

  190. Thank you for that, WB. You said how I feel without alienating half the people on the blog. At least the ones who understand that baseball is a business not a sport anymore.

    When I grew up, so many years ago, the idea of a sports team in any sport was to win every game and the league championship and anything beyond. Those days are gone forever. Time for some like me to realize it.

    BTW, where is John in Oshkosh?

  191. Stuart says:



  192. Jim S. says:

    I read a few of the things up above. Looks like a firestorm to get the morning going. Glad I missed it. I also missed the game last night due to being at my son’s game. Same thing tonight.

    Since I vowed yesterday not to bring my bad luck on the Pens by watching them live, I will happily watch it later in the evening. Of course, if they lose, I will skip it altogether.

    As for the Bucs, just a couple of thoughts:

    * Newsflash – Johnny Cueto is really good and he is really, really good vs. the Bucs. For whatever reason, he matches up well with our hitters. 15-4 lifetime and holds them to sub-.200 team average. We got him good last October, but does anyone think he was close to 100% in that game?

    * The Bucs are actually scoring a decent amount of runs. I wish they had an offense that was more consistent, but it is what it is. It would be nice to have a lineup full of Cutch’s that consistently put up 5 runs every night, but like most lineups, ours is flawed. We rely on the long ball. We can win with this lineup, I think, but it won’t be as consistent as the St Louis offense. Now, someone is going to look up St Louis’ run scoring and probably show that even they are not that consistent. :-)

    * I would like to see better pitching, mostly from Pirates starters. I think we will. This is a 9-12 stretch. I think we’ll win the majority of the next 141, barring something unforeseen.

    * I want Polanco here as much as everyone, and I hope he will eventually put up numbers similar to what Cutch does. But, he’s 22 and still has less than 100 AAA at bats. I would actually like to see him get in and out of a bad hitting patch before he comes up. I know you can’t schedule those things, but he likely will not just come up and hit .350 in the majors. I’d like him to work through some adversity. It would be good for him in the long run.

  193. Jim S. says:

    I was hoping for that. He deserved it, and did well in his chances last year.

    I think Locke is not quite there yet.

  194. Milo Hamilton says:

    Didn’t John say something about vacation ?

  195. 21sthebest says:

    I’m not sure why you’d think we’re being duped. And baseball is just structured completely different than the other major sports. Each team has what, 150 players or so in their minor leagues? And 40 rounds in the draft. Just don’t see many 18-20 year olds ready to play in the Majors very often.

  196. NMR says:

    I very much respect that you can acknowledge how the game has changed yet still manage to articulate your contrarian beliefs.

    Can’t ask for any more than that.

    I’ll also add that if you aren’t one to criticize how the Pirates spend money, then IMO you have all the right in the world to criticize them for keeping Polanco down.

    I just think it is a bit contradictory for one to criticize spending $5m on Volquez, for instance, and then turn around and say $15m or more for two months of Polanco is a smart move.

  197. hockeymonster says:

    Scott, i agree that you can even PP time out. If sid’s line draws the penalty you could put geno’s unit out there to start than work sid in after 20-30 seconds. Only time 1 unit gets stays out there for 90 seconds is if they’re controlling the puck on the perimeter. If you take shots you’ll get faceoffs and a chance to mix n match. And like i said last few days, this is more about giving CBJ a different look. Making them account for 2 one timers instead of 1 can get PK unit to back off and give whichever PP unit is out there more time and space.

    Van Slyke, when you play the same team over n over again they can focus on anything they perceive to be a weakness. Before it was geno at the point on his off side. They smelled blood when we had 4 forwards and they pounced. Now with 2 dmen they’re still pouncing but we have it under control defensively. But if I’m coaching against the pens I’m telling my PKers to focus on preventing nisky from ripping one timers, then catching up to any passes cross ice to a lefty. 2 RH shots would temporarily make coach richards head explode and give PP more time and space.

    And last i checked changing on the fly is still allowed. So working in sid or geno if they start on bench shouldn’t be an issue.

  198. Wild Bill says:

    Good question – I miss him too. Hope my comments about Braun didn’t annoy him into leaving.

  199. I think Milo is right. He posted from the airport.

    I think he feels the same about Braun as many around the country do and maybe moreso.

  200. Nate83 says:

    Well that’s not good. We can’t even say they are unlucky.

  201. buggee says:

    Can you go to every game TC?

  202. NMR says:

    Mike Trout is the best baseball player on the planet and hit .220 over his first 40 Major League games, Reverend.

    I stand by my statement that it is a leap in logic to assume Polanco would do any better than those players that took the field last night.

    Never lose track of how difficult it is to succeed at this game.

  203. I don’t care what they spent on Volquez. I thought it was a stupid move at the time and am glad to be wrong so far.

    I also thought the A.J. deal wasn’t needed, as Brad Lincoln was going to be the man. Wrong on both accounts.

    I just see a guy playing good ball while some on the ML level have been mediocre at best for their entire careers. Brings out the worst in me when we aren’t playing all that well as a whole.

  204. Nate83 says:

    I did it yesterday and posted it Jim. St. Louis has scored 2 or fewer runs in 7 games this year compared to the 9 for the Pirates. Come on. Don’t you read all of my post :)

  205. Baywatch says:

    Morning, Y’all! A good time to say “Rinse and Repeat,” but I’m getting tired of the repetitive losses! Off work tonight, and I SHO’ don’t want to see another one!

  206. NMR says:

    He also just pitched Monday night. Guessing that had more to do with it than anything.

  207. Right as usual Jim.

    I’d like to see a list of the players that have jumped AAA altogether and their success rate.

    We’ve had a few and not all successful. It would be interesting.

  208. NMR says:

    Exactly. Simply cannot compare Baseball to Football.

  209. Milo Hamilton says:

    If there’s anything more pretentious than the NFL’s schedule release extravaganza, it’s the extensive analysis of the NFL’s schedule release extravaganza.

  210. buggee says:

    Well-said JandyCandy

  211. Milo Hamilton says:

    Al Kaline & Dave Winfield skipped the minor leagues entirely. But than again, so did David Clyde.

  212. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    You’d come up with some ridiculous statement if I said it was Wednesday 4/23/14.

  213. Wild Bill says:

    With ya, Bay.

  214. Andrew says:

    I think baseball is very different than the other major sports in that, athletic prowess does not translate into the ability to pitch or hit. Hit and throwing a baseball are very refined skills that are very hard to scout and project, the Trouts Harpers and Machados distort the perception of how long it takes baseball players to develop.

    That is innate, Super Two is a self imposed structural barrier that baseball has, and might be changed in the next CBA. Also remember Polanco only had 300 PAs in the high minors coming into this year, I think it might behoove the Pirates to ensure he can handle major league pitching than call him up early and see if him struggle.

  215. Thundercrack says:

    Funny you should mention Winfield, Milo. On one of Buster Olney’s recent podcasts he and Keith Law compared Polanco to a young Dave Winfield. Especially how it seems to take him only a few strides to get to first base.

  216. Jim S. says:

    Someone may have mentioned it, but Carcillo taunting the Flyers fans against the glass was some of the funniest stuff I have seen in a long while.

  217. rb brown says:

    please add Mays Landing nj
    grew up hill district
    thank you

  218. Jim S. says:

    Robin Yount, too, I think.

  219. Jim S. says:

    I heard Cutch in spring training say something like:

    “His waistline comes up around my arm pit. The dude is massive.”

  220. Jim S. says:

    Actually, you are right, Nate. I did read that.

    I do think their offense is probably set up to score a bit more consistently than ours, since they don’t strike out as much and they hit for a higher batting average. But, we have who we have and they have who they have. It is really hard to find a bunch of high average, contact hitters these days to put all over the field.

  221. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thunder, he is all legs. I’ve heard people compare him to Darryl Strawberry, but he’s thicker than Strawberry. When I saw him I thought Dave Parker. Winfield makes perfect sense, hopefully without the attitude.

  222. There you go. Forget super 2 status and Super Tuesday and all the rest.

    Polanco is the next Dave Winfield. I can’t get on until after church tonight, so I’ll have to remember that when he’s 3-4 against Toledo by the time I get home.

    And he’ll be better than the old hacker, Al Kaline. And he doesn’t pitch and we don’t need the publicity like the David Clyde thing was designed around.

    Yinz guys nailed it!


  223. Arriba Wilver says:

    But, while I don’t think we’re being duped, Polanco would be up if not for Super 2 IMHO. So, the fact they’re structured differently and don’t see many ready, he sure seems ready. But I think it’s a system thing, not a Nutting is the cheapest owner thing. I know Neal is big on “not too soon” even aside from the economics, but I’m not getting that from him in this case, at least from what I’ve heard.

  224. Bizrow says:

    Lunatic nation now at 467

  225. Jim S. says:

    Good point. I wonder if they would have brought him up if the timing was better?

  226. Milo Hamilton says:

    He played 64 games in the minors in 1973 out of high school at age 17. Started with the Brewers the next year at 18.

  227. 21sthebest says:

    Who is that directed towards?

  228. Zico says:

    Wandy didn’t exactly help our stats.

  229. Jim S. says:

    It is a system thing for sure, AW. Good post.

  230. 21sthebest says:

    Ishi cleared waivers. Outrighted to Indy and expected to elect free agency.

  231. Thundercrack says:

    Ishi knows he can’t beat out Lambo again.


  232. Jandy says:

    made me LOL ;)

  233. NMR says:

    re: 2) Last season there was a progression on the Blog from predictions of doom to skepticism to little comment at all on a certain pitchers starts. That guy was Jeff Locke.

    We’re seeing the same thing with Volquez. Guy is proving to be a completely competent Major League pitcher, and that is all most of us ask for.

  234. 21sthebest says:

    I agree but I’m not sure he’d be up yet.

  235. cmat0829 says:

    yawn…but thanks for the news… i get most of my news here on this blog. Hoping Putin ‘regresses to the mean’ and that the airline/ferry disasters aren’t sustainable.

  236. Jandy says:

    Ok here’s my two cents:

    I realize baseball and hockey aren’t the same, but…
    even in hockey, they let the “kids” in the minors to mature and get ready for the “real world” in the majors. Why should baseball be any different?
    You do have a few, like Maatta, who make the big club, but they are the exception, not the rule.

    Thanks for listening :)

  237. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    The statement above was meant for 21….A person that would question whether or not a guys knee hurts when he tears his ACL.

  238. Jim S. says:

    Good post, Wild Bill.

    I’m thinking Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders would say hitting a baseball takes more repetitions to become competent at the pro level than running the football or defending a receiver if you happen to have elite speed and quickness.

    I think they are just different games is all, Wild Bill.

  239. Hope he hooks on somewhere. Seemed to be a good guy.

  240. cmat0829 says:

    the NFL, and ESPN, would cease any and all programming the instant that the public doesn’t gobble it up in ad-sustainable numbers. The NFL is good programming, even the combine/draft/free agency/schedule release offseason crapola…. all that we need to do to make it stop is to stop watching.

    By the way, are there any ‘offseason fantasy leagues’ for the NFL? where things like ‘arrests, controversial tweets, pro day salivations, etc. all count in the stats?’ maybe we can create this league and be the first to launch it….

  241. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sorry, I overstated. I don’t know about being up today, just earlier than the Super 2 date.

  242. Jandy says:

    I’ll be watching, and I expect a marked improvement over last game.

  243. NMR says:

    Oh I very much agree with your point as well, AW.

  244. cmat0829 says:

    I’m HOPING, not sure, but hoping the Pirates can use their analytics software to schedule their minor league rotation vis a vis the major league one. e.g. , pick the weak link and line up our best AAA option with him. Obviously if the injury were ‘sudden and a total surprise’, they’d have to scramble… but if the inflammation were, say, planned, they could align things.

    I have to believe Cumpton was option 1 simply because Locke had a lot to work on based on last season’s personal ‘epic collapse’.

    I’m rooting like hell for Locke to rediscover it, he is a good guy, but Brandon deserves his shot now.

  245. NMR says:

    One part of the conversation I don’t understand is why, or rather who, would want Super 2 eliminated in the next CBA?

    Wouldn’t do the players a shred of good.

  246. Which goes to show us all that a person willing to take instruction and correction-Locke and Volquez-versus a person who refuses-J. Sanchez- has a better chance of succeeding than someone who won’t.

    Same is any aspect of life. Then there are those in the middle that nobody can figure out-JMac.

  247. Jim S. says:

    Thanks for that, Milo. I didn’t know he spent any time in the minors.

  248. theplanisworking says:


    No sarcasm involved in the Have a Great Day greetings.

    And, I don’t run away, Hap. I am here almost every day. I am not the one who takes pride in having the ‘right’ to demean others opinions.So, I wish you to have a sincere…… Great Day !!


  249. NMR says:

    I disagree with that logic in principle because Cumpton outpitched his peripherals last year, just as Locke did in the first half.

    The obvious difference is that Cumpton only had to last 30 innings in the big leagues.

    I think Jeff Locke is a better pitcher.

  250. Bizrow says:


  251. Jandy says:

    April 23, 2014 at 11:05 AM

    Eight? That’s a stretch, brother. Polanco is probably better than _____ of them.

    I just enjoyed the disgust in Milo’s tone last night.

    I won’t bring Polanco up again.

    Until tonight.

    LOL Spunky, you crack me up!

  252. Jandy says:

    WOOP WOOP!!!!!

  253. theplanisworking says:

    Wrong, sir, wrong.

  254. Jandy says:

    + many

  255. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    The only thing this offense is consistent with is grounding out and striking out.
    To say otherwise is pure 100% fantasy.

  256. Jandy says:


  257. Naterosboro says:

    If you get a hit in 30% of your ABs, that is considered good. A sport where a 30% success rate is considered good, and a 30-35% success rate for a career makes you a first ballot HOFer.

    Baseball is hard.

  258. 21sthebest says:

    Why is citing the amount of runs they are scoring per game ridiculous?

    “A person that would question whether or not a guys knee hurts when he tears his ACL.”

    What in the world are you talking about?

  259. Jandy says:

    hey now, GAWTS, just be careful with those smileys, buddy ;)

    Remember, I have size 9 wides lol.

    by the way, what does GAWTS stand for?

  260. Jandy says:

    welcome to the Looney Asylum, rb…jump right in :)

  261. Jandy says:

    did ya get this one too?

    rb brown
    April 23, 2014 at 11:46 AM

    please add Mays Landing nj
    grew up hill district
    thank you

  262. JD says:

    April 23, 2014 at 10:37 AM
    Gentleman, I am not interested in continuing this all day. I know you won’t ever agree with what I say. I tried to present my case here, but as usual, I failed to reach you.
    As I am out the door, I really wish you all a Great Day.

    Plan, that might be the biggest piece of nonsense you’ve posted in awhile. And that is saying a lot, because you post nonsense everyday. You start crap every day, then act like a big baby when someone replies to you. Your tired act is getting old, “Oh, woe is me, everyone attacks me, waaah-waaah”. Grow up dude. Chill out pal.

  263. I won’t stir the pot again, Jandelita. I guess I enjoyed last season too much and would like to see it again and better, just like everyone on the blog and in the Burgh and everywhere else who are Pirate fans.

    I want to see a kid come up like when Parker came up and hear the child-like glee in Bob Prince’s voice every time Parker came to the plate. (Only it would be Greg Brown now).

    I’s also like to see a kid come up who would say something like (and I forget who even said this) “I don’t care if it’s Little League, I just love to play the game”. I really think that’s Polanco all over.

  264. You and your son enjoy the game in Toledo last night, JD?

  265. Jandy says:

    Revvie, dear, feel free to stir the pot anytime you like, sir. you do it in such a nice say :*
    I happen to agree with you on Polanco.

  266. Andrew says:

    Not saying I can project labor negotiations but I think the idea is Super Two is a negotiation chip for changing the qualifying offer system or increasing minimum salary. I would have to think about it for awhile to see which interest groups, establish players, soon to be major league players, owners, low revenue owners, benefits but I really do not want to do that when we have actual baseball.

  267. 21sthebest says:

    Please explain how an offense can spread out the runs more evenly over the number of games played.

  268. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Plan – All of those disagreeing can sit there gnawing on a corn dog as they patiently wait for some offense.
    They might see some every 7-10 days….But it’ll be gone for another week or so after that.
    Locating any offense while watching the Pirates is like finding a dollar bill in the street.
    It happens….But not very often.

  269. Jim S. says:

    Wasn’t Jose Guillen a guy who initially skipped AA & AAA, or am I mis-remembering again? I thought the Bucs brought him straight up from High A.

    I think he eventually went back to AAA for a good while, before having a nice career bouncing around the league. I wonder if he could have been even better if he had been given more time to develop.

  270. theplanisworking says:

    Ah, another of the group that can’t go a day without attacking me.

    Let me make some things clear:

    I do not post nonsense every day. You, JD, are the one that comes in to take shots at me, like just now, and you don’t even bother to discuss sports. I read the other night you actually mentioned taking your son to a baseball game…….. the first time I had ever seen you contribute to the actual blog.

    “You start crap every day, then act like a big baby when someone replies to you. Your tired act is getting old, “Oh, woe is me, everyone attacks me, waaah-waaah”. ”
    . I don’t even know why I try to reason with you and your group. I have stated that I don’t care about people replying to me, but when you, or your group responds with arguments just for the sake of argument, yes, I do take offense to that. When you and your group just come in to attack, like you did now, I object to that.

    Bottom line JD, is that I understand you and your group don’t like my opinions, and you have to, just have to disagree with me on everything. I also understand you and your group want to drive me away from the blog. I get it. And this is NOT ‘being a baby’ ………. it is just tiring that you and your group do this every day. I have asked that your group doesn’t respond to me, but that doesn’t serve your agenda.

    Easiest thing to do is…….. if you don’t like it, just don’t respond. But I see GAWTS brought his ‘right to demean the blog today. You aren’t going to drive me away, so stop trying.

    Just unreal.

  271. No, folks are getting tired of it and understandably so. Like Nate said above, why bring it up knowing that it’ll be June anyway?

    I think we’d all like to see him and, like 21 said, he can develop on the major league level, too, like Marte continues to do.

    June or whenever is not that far off.

  272. Jandy says:

    from the Pen’s website:

    The Penguins are on the ice at Nationwide Arena for their morning skate. Marcel Goc (foot) and Chris Conner are on the ice, but Brian Gibbons is not. Gibbons (undisclosed injury) skated the past two days with the team.

    The Pens used the following workflow…

    (Pyatt, Goc, Conner)


    PP1: Niskanen, Martin up top. Malkin, Crosby, Kunitz down low.
    PP2: Maatta, Letang, Jokinen, Stempniak, Neal down low.

  273. 21sthebest says:

    I learned above Milo that citing that runs stat is ridiculous.

  274. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I’m not explaining anything to you.
    Watch the game….Ground out, strike out, strike out, ground out, strikeout, pop up, strikeout, single, double play, single, strikeout.
    It reads like a dull novel when you’re sleepy.

  275. Jandy says:

    less than 2 months…for sure…

  276. Yes, he was and all you said is correct about him.

    Great arm, decent hitter, lousy attitude at times.

  277. Jim S. says:

    I don’t think you stirred anything up from my standpoint, Lucky. Jandy says I am polite, but the fact is you are easily the most polite person here.

    I am as excited about Polanco as you are. I have no doubt that he could be successful right now. But, I just think maybe a little more time cooking in AAA might be better in the long run. I used the Jose Guillen example above. But, it is different for each player. And, you never know which method was better until you choose a path and see how it turns out.

    I like talking about these things, and hearing differing points of view.

  278. Jandy says:

    Jandy says you’re SWEET, Jim, and you are…you’re the sweetest poster on this blog. Spunky is the kindest. And that’s saying a lot.
    I’m glad I can count you two as friends. :*

  279. tdb1977 says:

    If the Bucs win today…I have already made it known at work that I need an aircard and a new laptop battery so I can do my job while sitting at PNC. Obviously (Hi coach Tomlin), I’m the missing link to their continued success going forward!

  280. dennis says:

    Dick Groat never played in the minors, though he played enough in college to be in the Hall of Fame.

  281. Jandy says:

    I’ll drink to that!!

  282. Jim S. says:

    You know, Lucky, as I think of it … one important thing that argues in favor of a young player getting a shot earlier rather than later is plate discipline. Polanco swings and misses at very few pitches, and he does not strike out much. Those skills would seem to lend themselves to earlier success in MLB.

  283. cmat0829 says:

    Not sure I’m qualified to determine if Locke or Cumpton is the better pitcher… but Locke had his chance last season, he amazed and then he became unpitchable. Cumpton has never had that sustained chance. Absent any obvious objective reasons that Cumpton isn’t in the same ‘league’ as Locke, I prefer Cumpton get his shot now.

  284. 21sthebest says:

    I watch the games. They’re 4th in the NL in runs. The starting pitching and relief pitching has been fairly poor, IMO. I think pitching is almost all of the reason we’re losing right now.

  285. Bizrow says:

    No, I didn’t, thanks

    When there is fighting going on, I don’t scan much of what is here ;-)

    Thats 468

  286. Jandy says:

    WOOP WOOP!!!!

    keep ‘em coming, Biz!

  287. hockeymonster says:

    Hippser, Pens PR giving you a hard time too?

  288. hockeymonster says:

    What won’t you drink to? :)

  289. Jim S. says:

    But, Dom is cutest. Don’t forget him, Jandy.

    You’re pretty sweet here yourself. :-)

  290. hockeymonster says:


  291. Thanks to both of you.

  292. Jandy says:

    And you’re the hippest Monster Mash ever ;)

  293. Nate83 says:

    I’m not the student of the game that most of you are but is our third line defensive pairing are best both defensively and maybe even offensively in terms of moving the puck around? Is that typical of what other teams do?

    Rossi posted some good information about how good Crosby is when he plays with Niskanen at even strength. Why isn’t that happening?

  294. Jandy says:

    Yes, Jim, Dom is hands down the cutest and I’m glad he’s my friend too…and I’m thrilled Monster Mash is my friend for sure!

  295. theplanisworking says:


    No, I don’t know anyone in the Pens PR department. But that was a good one.

    I just hope the Pens come out with more fire tonight. Real sustained effort. Going after loose pucks, getting traffic in front of the net. The talent disparity between these 2 teams is great, But Columbus is making up their shortcomings with effort. If the Pens could match that, all would be well.

    But again, thanks for the chuckle.

  296. cmat0829 says:

    Just saying: fans clamoring for “obviously ready” prospects be ‘FREED’ from Indy don’t have a great track record of success to point to… as in:

    Marte was the Polanco of a few seasons back… and he hasn’t exactly had a Puig-like beginning….
    Pedro scuffled.. mightily, leading many to plead for the return of Andy LaRoche (just kidding, barely)

    So while I am HOPING that Polanco is better than Marte and Pedro were and are, I’m not sure that feeling might not just be 70% hope/hype and 30% data. So, while I secretly refresh 60 times a day hoping to see the headline “Pirates call up Polanco”, I am more than content to let Polanco get the ABs to be ‘really ready, and I mean more ready than Marte and Pedro were in those summers’… and oh by the way, just like I don’t overuse my credit cards and payday loans to sustain my personal overspending, because the future will ‘figure itself out’, I would not, as an owner or GM, call up a Super2 now and put a $15M dent in a future season’s payroll unnecessarily.

    Net: Polanco may just be our Puig, but history says that very talented players struggle at the get-go. It feels better, I admit, to say, ‘call the damn guy up already’ but sometimes patience is the best strategy.

  297. theplanisworking says:

    Loaded question. ;)

  298. NMR says:

    Absolutely agreed, Jim.

  299. Jandy says:

    Nate, I’ll defer to Monster Mash, as he’s a wiz, as is Bowser, but he’s been absent lately.
    I will say tho, that the pairings listed aren’t set in stone, per se. They are used interchangeably. and switched too, as I’m sure you know and have seen.

    As for why DB doesn’t pair Niskie more with Sid, I’m not sure ANYONE knows why DB does what he does :)

  300. Jim S. says:

    I don’t know who the better pitcher is right now, but I like that Jeff Locke is left-handed. I think that is a nice advantage in PNC, as the park tends to mitigate the power of righty hitters to a good extent – although that really has not been the case yet this year. It has been the case more often than not, over the years.

  301. Jandy says:

    are you deliberately trying to get me in trouble, Monster Mash? ;)

  302. Jandy says:

    and yes, Plan, it was, wasn’t it? lol

  303. hockeymonster says:

    Ahh shucks…you’re a keeper too jandster. :)

  304. NMR says:

    False comparison, cmat.

    Marte wasn’t anywhere near the kind of prospect Polanco has proven to be.

  305. hockeymonster says:

    DK got me worried when he mentioned the lengths they would go to…been looking over my shoulder and under my car ever since.

  306. Arriba Wilver says:

    I thought you thought this debate was “tired.” Must have had some coffee. ;-)

  307. Arriba Wilver says:


  308. Jandy says:

    buggee, your weiner is cute ;)

  309. JD says:

    Good one.

  310. Jim S. says:

    When NMR mentioned that Locke was not lined up to pitch on Thurs, the light bulb went on for me that Wandy’s setback was just that – a sudden physical setback.

  311. hockeymonster says:

    Agree with jandy. D pairings are subject to change just like line combos. I’m sure they’ll want Nisky to end up in top 4 ice time just like in game 3.

  312. Jandy says:


  313. hockeymonster says:

    Just seems like a shorter list…haha :)

  314. NMR says:

    “Absent any obvious objective reasons that Cumpton isn’t in the same ‘league’ as Locke.”

    Do objective reasons include the opinion of every scout to see the two?


  315. Jandy says:


  316. Jandy says:

    LOl depends on how rough my day went, I guess.

    sheesh I sound like a lush!

  317. Jandy says:

    Preach it, Milo!

  318. NMR says:

    How bout superior performance at every single comparable minor league level?’

    Is that objective enough?

  319. Jim S. says:

    Is Yasiel Puig still having a “Yasiel Puig-like” beginning?

  320. NMR says:

    Haha, fair enough.

    And I agree that eliminating Super 2 would only make sense for the players as part of broader changes.

  321. Jim S. says:

    + many.

    One swings at strikes and the other swings at everything.

  322. Nate83 says:

    I agree Polanco is a much better prospect but cmat’s point still has merit. Polanco is unlikely to come up and dominate offensively. He will contribute just purely by his defensive skills and his plate discipline but won’t be winning player of the week awards.

    If there is an everyday player prospect that the Pirates have had recently that could handle less time in AAA then a typical player would require it would seem to be Polanco. However less then 100 at bats is still really low. He himself has said he is learning daily.

  323. hockeymonster says:

    No worries. My consumption is stress related too. :)

  324. JD says:

    Lucky – he does indeed look like a stud. Nice 2 run single and a long homer too. We might go back and see them Friday. My wife is mad she didn’t go last night. Can’t wait to see him in Pittsburgh

    PS – he is TALL.

    Lambo had a couple of 2B’s and even Matt Hague had a late HR. The starting pitcher, Sadler, looked good too.

  325. Jim S. says:

    Love the Billy Madlock avatar, Nate. That man could flat out hit.

  326. Can’t wait to see him in the black and gold.

  327. Arriba Wilver says:

    There is a “Group.” The meetings are the 3rd Thursday of every other month . . . on Jupiter’s moon, Europa.

  328. Jim S. says:

    It’s 5:00 somewhere!

  329. Jandy says:

    don’t tell anyone, but I’m what my daughter calls a “lightweight”…after one or two at most, I fall asleep! lol

  330. Jandy says:

    H*ll yeah!!!

  331. NMR says:

    I absolutely agree that cmat’s point ABOUT POLANCO has merit.

    However, it does conversation absolutely no good to open up by calling out fans in a general manner – many of which are on this blog – and then follow it up by completely failing on your first comparison.

  332. Jandy says:

    ;finger snap:
    I thought it was Bum f*ck, Egypt!

  333. Nate83 says:

    Thanks both for your response.

  334. Good report. Saw where Irwin had a lot of problems, but he’s still working his way back from surgery. Good game to get him into with an 11-run lead.

    How did the Duke of Welker look?

  335. Jim S. says:

    The fighting is usually long over before you even wake up, Biz!

  336. Arriba Wilver says:


  337. ROFL

    Great one, Jim.

  338. Nate83 says:

    I don’t even know why but he was always my favorite baseball player. I would trade everyone in the neighborhood all their Madlock baseball cards for almost whoever they wanted. I must have had dozens of his cards which isn’t even logical because all you can do is look at the darn things. Why would you need more of them?

  339. Mercy. What un-nunlike talk.


  340. Nate83 says:

    That’s fair. Especially since most on this blog (self included) lose sight of the main point someone is making and concentrate specifically on the one thing they found inaccurate. I don’t know how many times AW and myself have debated on a topic we agreed 90% on. That’s probably why it’s smartest to stay short and to the point (which I’m horrible at) like Milo

  341. Arriba Wilver says:

    At least she got the * right. ;-)

  342. chethejet1 says:

    Pitching is not as good as last year. The hitting is not good enough to make up that difference. NH and the brass know the Pirates will always have holes. But they do have talent and do have a more productive farm system to supplement most losses except Pedro. Presently this is not a 94 win team. But at least NH finally made a move at first base. Pending Polanco and the potential lackluster performance of Wandy, losing Tallion as well, the bucs will struggle to win 88 to 90 this year.

  343. Jandy says:

    LOL Yinz two, ctfu here ;)

  344. scapper says:

    Whoever referred to “the childlike glee in Bob Prince’s voice”…that was almost surely the alcohol.

    And NMR, I sure hope you caught Hamilton’s first AB last night on the Pirates’ feed. Blass and Brown were setting them on a tee for you. It’s a wonder teams don’t just refuse to pitch to him and wave him around the bases, what with all the fear and chaos he inspires.

    I was seriously laughing out loud again thinking about your purposeful overstatements about Hamilton yesterday afternoon. “Gold, Jerry….GOLD!”

  345. Jandy says:

    Hey Biz, what day is it???


  346. Arriba Wilver says:

    That’s why I like you, Nate. ;-)

  347. Jandy says:

    does that make him a member of the buddy club???

  348. Thundercrack says:

    Is that where your group meets? My group meets in my mind. Lonely place.

    And the fast-forward is nearly complete

  349. Jandy says:

    Mind? you mean you HAVE one???

  350. Jim S. says:

    I always hoarded cards of certain players also, Nate. Cards of those guys never got stuck in the spokes of my bike. I would only do that for bums that I couldn’t trade for other cards to some kid who had no clue what he had. If I was about to DFA a card, it went into the spokes.

  351. Milo Hamilton says:

    I see where Ishikawa will probably elect free agency. Here’s a comprehensive scouting report – stinks.

  352. 21sthebest says:

    Maybe if you offered groupons it wouldn’t be lonely.

  353. Jim S. says:

    They should meet at a closer location. ;-)

  354. Jim S. says:

    Haha! The Groupons always find their way into the discourse.

    I confess that I have never used a Groupon in my life. I don’t have anything against them. I just don’t really know much about them.

  355. Jandy says:

    only if you’re gonna be there, Jim :P

  356. 21sthebest says:

    I won’t use them because I hate the newfangled made up words.




  357. theplanisworking says:

    Short and to the point. :)

  358. Jim S. says:


    What’s your take on Tanaka? This doesn’t seem like a “he’s fooling everyone because he’s unfamiliar to them” sort of thing to me. He looks genuinely filthy to me. But, I’ve only seen highlights.

  359. Jim S. says:

    That Milo fellow is good at not extending his strike zone.

  360. Pants-n-at says:

    Biz….FYI, I moved from Niceville (Red neck riviera) to Destin. Loving it here!

  361. Arriba Wilver says:

    NMR is the “buddy” guy. I don’t know where that club meets, but I’d be happy to be included.

  362. Milo Hamilton says:

    Why does everyone keep calling me short ? :)

  363. Jandy says:

    There ya go, NMR, another buddy for ya :)

  364. Jim S. says:

    Just about the time the ball starts falling in for him is just about the time he probably won’t be putting many balls in play to fall in.

  365. Milo Hamilton says:

    He has great stuff and he throws strikes, only 2 walks in his first 4 starts (29.1 innings). But I think you hit on something there, he hasn’t faced the same team twice. Let’s see what happens once scouting reports are refined and hitters get a second and third look. That’ll be the true test. But so far he’s been dominant.

  366. theplanisworking says:

    The real Milo H. was short, correct? ;)

  367. Jim S. says:

    All these club meetings are going to be taking up a lot of everyone’s time. Soon, there will be sub-committees, blue ribbon panels, etc. Should have just continued to be a bunch of lone wolves. :-)

  368. Jim S. says:

    He seems to have a knack for not losing often. That’s one of the good knacks.

  369. theplanisworking says:

    He works quicker than Jim Kaat, Jim.

  370. Patrick(ri) says:

    A nearly pointless observation coming. Someday days I log into the blog and feel like I went to a Stock Market blog, with all kinds of “now is the time”(eg Polanco) vs, “OMG you need to consider the long run” analysis. With all of the prognostications taking place in a fog of wisdom,nonsense and some heat in an overall rigged environment. Blogs rule the internet and the day. Tweets merely flutter aimlessly.

  371. Jim S. says:

    Did anyone notice Clint Hurdle talking about Neil Walker not catching many breaks with his hitting since last year? It was in reference to his game-winning hit on Monday. Clint said he hasn’t much luck with his BABIP. Sounded fairly comfortable with the terminology.

    It’s just a short walk from the BABIP section of town to xFIP and WAR. Just sayin’.


  372. theplanisworking says:

    Didn’t Tim Wakefield have the same thing when he first came up in ’92? I mean, he went through the league once, did very well, then once he had to go through again, other teams figured him out?

    Or was Wakefield figured out because his knuckler stopped knuckling?

  373. theplanisworking says:

    Patrick, is the dog in your avatar a beagle, or basset hound?

  374. Milo Hamilton says:

    That’s a good question. I don’t know. I just checked his Wiki page & it gives no heights & weights. Maybe the information is out there somewhere from when he was at the announcers combine.

    Brandie will be happy to know that phonetically it’s MY-loh. :)

  375. Arriba Wilver says:

    Jandy’s not part of the “Group.” She doesn’t like the by-laws.

  376. GAWTS2009 says:

    Its the initials of the school I coach wrestling for, GA, and the intials of my old HS and the year I graduated HS. My old one Hap was to remind me to be happy before i post haha. Might also have been my pap’s nickname.

  377. Milo Hamilton says:

    How about Zach Duke ? History is full of guys that got figured out.

  378. Jandy says:

    Now, AW, you don’t want emotional females in that “group”.
    I never mentioned the by laws as I don’t know what they are…and I’m sure I don’t wanna know, either :P

  379. Patrick(ri) says:

    A rescue Beagle with some genetic hound-like additions.

    Btw, I could have added at least one obfuscation to the above pot.

  380. Jandy says:

    Thanks, I’ve been wondering about that. You graduated in 2009??? Really?
    I must be getting old ;)

  381. :(

    Clint’s gone over to the saber side.

    (Even I know what BABIP is).

  382. Milo Hamilton says:

    Saturday night’s Game 5 will be at 7:00.

  383. Jandy says:

    pot? Obfuscated marijuana???

    Like, wow, man!

  384. Jim S. says:

    He got figured out, then the Bucs gave up on him. But, he did manage 200 wins. Never looked pretty, but another of those durable knuckle ballers.

  385. Jandy says:

    Thanks, MY-loh!

  386. Jandy says:

    ewww paperwork…like Milo says:

  387. GAWTS2009 says:

    Plan: You see what I did there though? I can chose to take any little sentence you say out of context and get angry about it. Such as implying sarcasam to your “have a good day.” If eveyone did that we be a bunch of lunitics (and not the good kid found here)… However, more often than not what I see you do.

  388. Nate83 says:

    All managers will end up talking like this at one point. It’s just the direction the game is going and leading the way Joe Madden who I happen to love. He doesn’t care about any conventional thought process. It’s all about analyzing the numbers and using them to figure out the best way to put all the parts together to equal a win. If the numbers tell him to start 3 shortstops in one game with 2 playing in the outfield then he does it. Obviously this requires having the correct personal to do such a thing which he has had for the most part.

  389. Pants-n-at says:

    Someone? Or you?

  390. Patrick(ri) says:

    +++ I violated the iron clad rule for iPad posters: look before posting . Could. Have been worse!

  391. GAWTS2009 says:

    My parent’s graduated HS in 1988. Hence the hap1988

  392. theplanisworking says:

    It was also a loaded question, Milo.
    Most people are shorter than I. But sometimes it is hard to tell on TV.

    Yeah, I am sure Brandie will see this conversation and be happy.

  393. Jandy says:

    hahaha Patrick, I have to admit, I had fun with that one, though :)

  394. NMR says:

    He likes me, he really likes me! ;)

  395. Jim S. says:

    There’s no going back once the dark forces have corrupted his mind.

  396. NMR says:

    Don’t forget Investigations!

  397. Arriba Wilver says:

    He definitely bought in last year with the defensive shifts.

  398. GAWTS2009 says:

    I was kinda wondering the same thing. Why change anything? are they so predictable that a change is neccessary? In most cases I would say, “YES, CHANGE THEY FIGURED IT OUT” but I’m not sold that teams have figured it out. Just Shoot!

  399. Jandy says:

    My Mother graduated in 1946, rest her soul. Dad only did 8 years, then went to work.

    My youngest graudated in 2004.

    I love young people, they help broaden my perspective :)

  400. Jandy says:

    That’s it, after that reminder, NMR, no clubs for me ;)

  401. Patrick(ri) says:

    You gotta understand that I learned to type on a Remington. Shot holes in everything, till my mother said, “No, use the typewriter you idiot!”

  402. GAWTS2009 says:

    What’s this ancient TV show you speak of? Ok I may not be that young but ask my sister that and she’d look at you like you had 3 heads.

  403. NMR says:

    You could call my mother dirty names and I’ll still probably give you the ole “+1″ as long as you finish with Seinfeld quotes!

  404. Jandy says:

    and that was a GOOD thing

  405. Jandy says:


  406. Arriba Wilver says:

    Don’t get your hopes up, NMR. ;-)

  407. NMR says:

    And yes, I certainly did take in the genius wisdom of the Bucs feed.

    I view these guys through the prism of campfire stories. They’re there to entertain, and entertain they will. Just don’t count on more than half the story being true.

  408. theplanisworking says:

    Patrick, the only reason I asked about the dog in your avatar, was because if it was a basset hound, I was going to give you a clown car of hounds for today.


  409. Jandy says:

    lol GAWTS, Dad loved the Pink Panther, too.

  410. Jandy says:

    I <3 bassett hounds!

  411. Patrick(ri) says:

    Appreciate that.

  412. Jim S. says:

    How about a garage? No sense in paying for a room somewhere. Just looking for ways to keep club dues reasonable.

  413. Arriba Wilver says:

    You think that was sexist?

    smh ( not mean)

  414. Milo Hamilton says:

    They are having ceremonies commemorating the 100th anniversary of Wrigley Field. As they were bringing various dignitaries out onto the field, here’s how Bud Selig was introduced to the crowd:

    “Widely believed to be the greatest commissioner in baseball history, Bud Selig.”

    Really. That’s what the guy said. Now I have a much more favorable opinion of the guy than most, but really ?

  415. NMR says:

    Very true, but Zach Duke didn’t have Tanaka’s splitter.

    That thing might just be Koji Uhara-good.

  416. Jandy says:

    Not at all, AW lol. I was actually poking fun at myself. As I do get emotional. My Boss reminds me of that.

  417. NMR says:

    An observation of my own:

    Tweets accomplish more in 140 characters than blogs do in 14 million.


  418. Jandy says:

    Thanks, Milo, I just lost my lunch

  419. Jandy says:

    imagine that!

  420. Jim S. says:

    I actually don’t know if the average baseball player gets a shot at the majors before the average hockey player gets a shot at the NHL. I was thinking most hockey players are younger when they get their first call-up.

  421. Jandy says:

    You might be right, Jim, but man, it seems the Pens take forever to call guys up.

    Cue Sarah – they sign 30 something defensemen to illogical contracts ;)

  422. GAWTS2009 says:

    That’s funny.Heck, even my parents call me old in my thinking. Interesting fact(s) I don’t care for most people in college. Seems like I moved on from the “lets go crazy were not under our parents rule anymore attitude.” Way too many college kids have that attitude at shippensburg university. Found only a select couple deep within my major classes that don’t. But I had a scholarship to Westtown School when I was 14 for academics and wrestling and boarding school makes you grow up quick. Blew my shoulder out my sophmore year. Went on to take 6th in PA and top 16 in the nation. Had a full ride to duke but turned it down to coach with my shoulder still not being fixed correctly (which hopefully this summer it does get fixed, figured out they’ve been missing I had a torn labrum). Wouldn’t give up coaching now though, I love helping these kids here.

  423. NMR says:

    This restaurant owner won’t be the first or last to try and make a dollar from this whole situation.


  424. NMR says:

    I hope every single Central Division Manager knows what’s right and refuses to buy into this whole saber mularkey.

    For the good of the game, of course.

  425. Jandy says:

    It’s not “old in your thinking”, it’s called maturity. You remind me of my younger daughter in that way. She has a Master’s in Occupational Therapy. While in college she would never go out drinking with the group. Did her own thing.
    Hope all goes well in fixing your shoulder.
    And be a good coach and mentor, today’s kids need that.

  426. Arriba Wilver says:

    Sorry, misinterpretation on my part. My bad.

  427. Patrick(ri) says:

    + Refuse to get blogged down in defending an exaggeration.

  428. Jandy says:

    nah…it’s all good, friend :)

  429. Jim S. says:

    I’m quite sure Bud had no hand in how that was written.

  430. Patrick(ri) says:

    The grinding sound you hear is Bart turning over! A sure bet, if career not cut short.

  431. Jim S. says:

    Word has it, that’s what forced Dusty out of the division.

    He knew in his heart that Brandon Phillips’ 100 RBI season was based solely on being a professional hitter and not the 8 zillion runners in scoring position for him.

  432. Jim S. says:

    +++, Arriba.

    I think Clint is trying to find a fine balance between all the things he has known are true about baseball his whole life and the newer ways of measuring performance.

  433. Milo Hamilton says:

    I know on any given day we have more than 140 characters hanging around this place.

  434. Jandy says:


  435. cmat0829 says:

    I THINK you are right. Polanco certainly doesn’t have some of the same issues with the swing-and-miss and command of the strike zone that Marte has… but maybe he will develop other issues as he tries to make the hardest leap in sports…from AAA dominance to MLB stardom…or at least productive everyday player.

    My point was not to compare the two players’ games, but more to compare the prospect hype machine that fuels expectations beyond reality at times. I went on in my post to make exactly your point…that Polanco just may be BETTER than any other prospect we’ve seen around our parts in a generation.. I’m just not sure that is entirely based on data (very small AAA sample size) but is based on a combination of data and hope/hype.

    But more importantly, the FAN in me wants Polanco TONIGHT… and can’t wait to see him outshine Marte and Pedro and be Cutch’s true superstar partner on this team…and with Cole we have a superb trio of true MLB allstars. (no offense to others, like Pedro, Walker, Marte, etc. but they are a noticeable notch below)….

    that was my point, not ‘fan bashing’ per se. but blog words carry meanings sometimes far and beyond the intent it seems to me.

  436. GAWTS2009 says:

    Good for her! My mom is a PTA (has her associates) gave up on her bachlor’s a year after somebody decided they wanted to be born…
    Yeah I look at some of the teachers now and think the same thing.
    I currently have 2 weeks left for my bachlors in applied math (with every stats class). Then my company is sending me to get my MBA eventually. It’s been interesting juggling work, school, and coaching. Summer and softball will be a nice release of 2 of those duties.

  437. Jim S. says:

    I’m with you on that, Patrick!!

  438. GAWTS2009 says:

    Atleast I only blew coca-cola out my nose!

  439. Jim S. says:

    That’s not one of the good Zachs. :-)

  440. Jim S. says:

    Your mother wears army boots.

    “And you want to be my latex salesman.”

  441. GAWTS2009 says:

    Hummm, go to philly to pick up a badly needed dresser for my new house orrrrr go to pittsburgh try to get student rush tickets and enjoy my weekend. Tough choice. Sadly the fiance wouldn’t approve of one of those.

  442. cmat0829 says:

    Sorry, but one of these two has had a serious meltdown at the MLB level, one that took him from allstar status to not being able to even be trusted to pitch in a game…and that has to count against Locke. I don’t have access to scouts reports, nor do I look up career stats of pitchers, as I’ve mentioned a lot of times. I enjoy being educated on this blog.

    My only point is that I want Cumpton to get a shot and my perception is that since he didn’t suffer a meltdown, then perhaps, right now, at this time, he is a better option than Locke.

    But I’m rooting for Locke, I truly am. Just prefer Cumpton right now.
    I also prefer Mazarro to Hughes… but other than purchasing extra blood pressure medication for the games he is allowed to pitch, I can’t do anything about it.

  443. Jim S. says:

    Good post, cmat.

  444. Bizrow says:


  445. Jandy says:

    pour it on, Jim!

  446. Jandy says:

    sucks to be you! lol

  447. cmat0829 says:

    Yuck. I think these ceremonies are generally over the top… much like I felt Greg Brown was over the top on Opening Day this year. Not everything has to have such hyperbole attached to it… maybe, the everyone is staring at their smart phones nowadays so these folks believe you have to hype everything beyond reason… not dissimilar to what announcers do many times during a game. Sometimes plays are just good, not unbelievable… etc.

    But specifically no one should ever say the phrase “widely believed to be…..” if you want, you can say, our ‘outstanding MLB Commissioner’ or ‘Bud Selig, who has had a distinguished career as MLB Commissioner’…

  448. Arriba Wilver says:


  449. Arriba Wilver says:

    Absolutely, Jim.

  450. Jandy says:

    Hockey’s a ton of fun to watch, Nate :)

  451. theplanisworking says:

    Maybe the Cubs are being nice to him because he is retiring?
    Isn’t that this year?

  452. Jandy says:

    If he’s retiring, I’ll drink to that!

  453. Arriba Wilver says:

    George Will, a noted baseball fanatic and Cubs fan, was on Colbert last night. He wrote a book to coincide with Wrigley’s 100th anniversary. It was pretty funny. I’d seen him on there before, and there is a mutual respect despite very different political views.

  454. Jim S. says:

    And, I would add, I personally think he is doing a pretty good job at it.

  455. Better be Ripple or Boone’s Farm until you get home. That’s 2 things you’ve drank to today. You may have to have hubby pick you up if you drink to any more. Save the strong wine to celebrate a double win tonight.


  456. Jim S. says:

    Just trolling for the +1, Jandy.

  457. Thundercrack says:

    Hurdle was just on MLB XM. When asked about Polanco he said “He’s not so far away that you can’t see him”.

    And “He’ll get here when he gets here”

    He also answered one question about the fight & suspensions (their first question to him), and then when they tried to follow up with another question about Cole and what he did – Clint told them that was it for him and he was done talking about it.

  458. Jandy says:

    LOL! They don’t carry Boone’s around here anymore. I hope to celebrate tonight!

  459. Jandy says:

    You Troll, you, Jim! Sweetest troll on the blog ;)

  460. BillyBaduka says:

    Nice handle.

  461. BillyBaduka says:

    Was at that show too. Good concert, thought Tom Morello really fit in well. I was wondering how his style would mesh.

  462. Jim S. says:

    Am not, either. And you can’t say I am.

  463. BillyBaduka says:


    No worries if you are showing your age. I think Bugs and Looney Tunes were the best cartoons ever.

    Bugs was the epitome of cool.

  464. Jandy says:

    But you just did, and I agreed with you ;)

  465. Bizrow says:

    Bud will give retirement a bad name…..

  466. Baywatch says:

    So … like what superlative to I get?

  467. Jandy says:

    Hmm…Bay…the bestest up here/down here poster on this here blog!

  468. Milo Hamilton says:

    Translation – he’ll be here when the jolly roger abacus says it’s OK, and not a minute before.

  469. Baywatch says:

    Nice touch, Jim: The ol’ “You boys have been designated for assignment,” YAH-TA-TA-TA TA!”

  470. Jim S. says:

    Dang it.

  471. Jim S. says:

    Howdy, Bay!

  472. Jandy says:

    but you got +111 for your trouble, you sweet ol’ Troll, you ;)

  473. I doubt they make either of those anymore do they? They’d be good for you “lightweights”.


  474. Jandy says:

    Never heard of Ripple…but yeah…they’d be about my speed lol

  475. theplanisworking says:

    Ripple, Malt duck ……… all the good old lightweight boozes.

    I have only heard about them, of course. Don’t let my knowledge of Maneschevitz, Thunderbird, Mad Dog 20/20, Boone’s Farm, and other alcohols fool you.


  476. Baywatch says:

    Milo, I was at the broadcasters combine that year and Milo Hamilton measures … LOL! OK, y’all can do like me, go to his Wikipedia page and check out the image of him interviewing Mike Krukow – who is 6-5 – down on Wrigley Field. He might be 6 foot or 6-1! That is, if y’all don’t have anything BETTER to do! :-) I would attach the image here, but didn’t know if that would be cool or not.

  477. cmat0829 says:

    Clint a little testy, sounds like. Agree that he should be done talking about the fight, etc. If he had any message to Cole or advice to his players, best he tells them directly and then avoids talking to anyone else about it.

  478. Mogan David is what my mom liked.

    Fred Sanford talked about drinkin Ripple all the time. Not much body to it. Boone’s Farm was glorified soda pop.

    Been over 40 years since I’ve had any booze of any kind, so I don’t know what’s out there. They never even had wine coolers back then or hard lemonade.

  479. Bruce Damasio says:

    Add me to your list of followers and fans in Maryland–Living in Towson but claim home as Pittsburgh ( Forest Hills )
    Still a Pitt season ticket holder for football since 1977 and go to Pirate, Steeler and Pens games home and away. Made it to Chicago for the snow and fun of Soldier Field and see Pittsburgh teams whenever they are in the Philadelphia-DC corridor.
    Thanks for your insights and unabashed love for the Steel City!

  480. Bruce Damasio says:

    Add me to the list in Maryland–Towson

  481. buggee says:

    ROFL Jandy!!! Interpretations can be a b*tch in this case Jandy!

  482. Jandy says:

    I wondered how long it would take someone to see that one!

    LMAO buggeeeee…devil took me and I HAD to ;)

  483. Jandy says:

    Oh Lord, SPunkster, Mom liked that too! Is that around anymore even???

  484. Thundercrack says:

    Clint was definitely testy about it. Bowden wanted to know what Cole said & did.
    Clint was in no mood to rehash it. As if he would tell them what Cole said.

  485. Jandy says:

    OK gotta jet…later Loonies!

  486. GAWTS2009 says:

    My fiance’s knee only hurt initally for about 15 min. Was still walking around and attempting to run to prove she could continue to play. Finished the game after that too. I guess still had too much adrenilen (sp?). Hope that answers your question on weather it hurts.

  487. GAWTS2009 says:

    that’s one I have never really seen. Kinda scared me to be honest and I was completly against anything PINK b/c “it’s a girl color” Gotta love my pap for that one.

  488. GAWTS2009 says:

    Yes, but twetty(sp?) bird was a boss and kinda a jerk now that I look back on it.

  489. Baywatch says:

    Jeepers! Thanks, Jandy!

  490. Stuart says:

    Very well said regarding athletic prowess. It doesn’t always translate to production in baseball.


  491. Stuart says:

    Thats why there is no one there when I arrive on Callisto. I am desperate to join a group. Are ther any that are more interesting than the “anti- plan” group?


  492. theplanisworking says:


  493. theplanisworking says:

    Another poster that lies about not engaging me.

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