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Final: Marlins 3, Pirates 2, 10 innings

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (29-33) vs. Miami Marlins (25-35)

Time: 1:10 p.m.

Site: Marlins Park, Miami

TV, Radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page and our Bucco Blog. Rob Biertempfel is on the scene for the Trib.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Baywatch says:

    LEADING OFF! And proclaiming how he’s such a proud papa of his boy, GREGORY POLANCO … Baywatch! (I keep going back and watching that video of him in that great post-game video from the other night! Is there any greater joy than a salt-of-the-earth kid like this that actually goes “Whoo!” when they pour the bucket of water over his head, and then goes “Thank You” into the camera for everyone out here, after telling Robby “thank you?”

    I’m ADOPTING him!

  2. chethejet1 says:

    Once around the league stuff until we see how he handles some adversity. But no question he has a high skill set and projects to be something special as he matures.

  3. Tom P. says:

    You can tell that a baseball team is on a roll offensively when it gives up four runs in the ninth inning in two consecutive games on the road and wins them both.

    When the Pirates walked six batters in the ninth inning Friday, it reminded me of the game sometime in the ’80’s when two Pirates pitchers (I think Jim Bibby and Jim Wynn) walked 7 straight batters (I think against the Braves).

  4. Eric Bowser says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all of you dads out there.

    Finished the Obediah Cole Foundation’s Man Up 5K in 37:25 knocking off 5 minutes from my last 5K in April, so I’m happy with the time even though I wanted 36.

    Last night, son had another base hit and daughter had her first dance recital, can’t ask for a better Father’s Day weekend.

    As for Pirates, can’t ask for much more than what the team is getting from Polanco, Marte and McCutchen. Can you imagine what this team is going to get with Walker in the lineup and Alvarez and Davis start hitting more consistently.

    Lumber Company in the making.

    Let’s Go Bucs!

  5. Brandie says:

    Thank goodness there wasn’t a “Walk Back to Pittsburgh” promise put out there.

  6. Lad 9 says:

    Happy Father’s Day to all the Lunatic dad’s out there. Let’s hope we get a sweep as a present today! Hope everybody has a great day!

    Vance Worley (R)

    1. Gregory Polanco (L) RF
    2. Starling Marte (R) LF
    3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF
    4. Ike Davis (L) 1B
    5. Russell Martin (R) C
    6. Pedro Alvarez (L) 3B
    7. Josh Harrison (R) 2B
    8. Jordy Mercer (R) SS
    9. Vance Worley (R) P

    Henderson Alvarez (R)

    1. Rafael Furcal (S) 2B
    2. Reed Johnson (R) LF
    3. Giancarlo Stanton (R) RF
    4. Casey McGehee (R) 3B
    5. Garrett Jones (L) 1B
    6. Marcell Ozuna (R) CF
    7. Adeiny Hechavarria (R) SS
    8. Jeff Mathis (R) C
    9. Henderson Alvarez (R) P

    Gametime Forecast: 86°F • Mostly Cloudy • 25% PoP

  7. Maz in Iowa says:

    Gerrit Cole said his 34-pitch bullpen went well Sunday. He threw all his pitches and was pleased with execution.

  8. Baywatch says:

    Up HERE for 2 of 3 thus far, Laddy!!

  9. Nate83 says:

    Happy father’s day to you as well. Congrats on your 5K time coming down. Keep knocking time off that 5K. You are a better man then me for just finding time to do that.

  10. Maz in Iowa says:

    Let’s hope the bats stay hot.Makes things easier if the pitchers are struggling a bit.

  11. Bizrow says:

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  12. Eric Bowser says:

    Thanks Nate.

    I really don’t find much time to run like I should with work, son’s baseball, and daughter’s dancing but that making it all more valuable when both kids were waiting for me at the door when I got home and presented me with their homemade father’s day card thanking me for all the little things I do. Nothing more important than our duty as a father.

    Hey wait, there’s no crying in baseball…

  13. Eric Bowser says:

    Happy Father’s Day, thanks for your support last year, really meant a lot to reach out and help with my son’s health issues.

  14. theplanisworking says:

    Happy Fodduh’s Day to both Lad9 and Mr. Hasslehoff!

    Chance for the Bucs to finally get over .500 today.

  15. theplanisworking says:

    Or a “Bob Walk Back to Pittsburgh” promise.

    Happy Muppet Day, Bran Flakes!!!
    I hope you continue knocking them dead at work.

  16. theplanisworking says:

    RIP Casey Kasem.

    Now he is doing the Big Countdown in the sky.
    Grew up listening to him on AT40.

    Too many of our icons are passing on recently. :(

  17. Lad 9 says:

    BAY! I hope in a month or so the “Up here” will be what the Pirates can say when talking about their place in the standings.

  18. Lad 9 says:

    PLANTASTIC! Great to hear from you my friend. I see good things for our local nine down the road. When Walker come back, that is a nice lineup.

  19. radio wave says:

    Anyone besides me listening to Sirius-xm this morning? They have a General Managers show with their two ex GM’s Jim duquette, and Jim Bowden. Bowden is a clown, I like Duquette. your hair would be standing on end for all the Pirates talk today. They are saying the Pirates need a starting pitcher, and a shortstop. they are saying that the Phillies need to blow up their team, and that Rollins and Burnett would be perfect fits here. They are saying with the Pirates payroll, neither will happen. They are saying that the Pirates are wild card contenders, but possibly if they fall short by acouple of games, everyone will look back and wonder why the Pirates didn’t bring up all their best talent back in May.

  20. Lad 9 says:

    Thank you Eric. It was nothing. My reward was the big smile you couldn’t see when I read of another base hit from your son. That tells me all I need to know.

    Give them all the hugs you can now, as I am sure you do. The day where they move five hours away ( on Father’s Day morning no less) could be on you in the blink of an eye.

  21. Maz in Iowa says:

    Hurdle said Cole could be in line to throw a simulated game on Wednesday. Cole is eligible to come off the 15-day disabled list (shoulder fatigue) on Thursday, but the Pirates will wait on him a little longer.Good news

  22. Thundercrack says:

    I agree with you Radio that Bowden is a clown.

    He kept saying that if he thought he Pirates should promote Polanco and sign Drew & Kendry Morales.

    Easy to do in his fantasy land where you don’t have a budget or an owner to answer to

  23. Lad 9 says:

    Not listening, but it said much the same thing to my son last night. The early season games count too!

    The only issue I have is that at least part of the premise comes from Jim Bowden. We had a conversation around the lunch table at work this week to award a lifetime worst GM award in anty sport, and he was prominently mentioned. But we did decide that, similar to the Cy Young Award, we would name it. It will be the Matt Millen Worst of the Worst Award. :)

  24. Thundercrack says:

    I think our recent bullpen troubles are more of a hiccup than a panic situation.

    I also said in the offseason that we shouldn’t trade Watson or Wilson. Keep our strength.

    But I do admit there are times it does cross my mind that maybe we should have dealt Wilson in the offseason when his value was at its highest.

  25. Lad 9 says:

    “any sport”

  26. radio wave says:

    One other interesting point from the Sirius show. they were discussing what the Cubs might do in trading their two pitchers. They said across the board MLB teams no longer believe in trading away top prospects to get established talent, that the teams value their prospects too much now to do those types of trades.

  27. Brandie says:

    Long distance dedication to My Baby Does The Hanky-Planky!

    RIP SHAGGY!!!!!

  28. JAL says:

    Some things to possibly read while waiting for the game

    JAL’s Till the Clouds Roll By Morning Links

    Till the Clouds Roll By June Allison & Ray Mc Donald


    1- MLB Transactions

    2-MLB Trade Rumors-Pirates

    3 BFFL’s 2014 Pirates Stats Spreadsheet

    4 Pirates Prospects

    2014 Pittsburgh Pirates Draft Pick Signing Tracker

    BLOGS and such

    5—Pirates Prospects

    First Pitch: Five Hundred

    Prospect Watch: Reese McGuire Hits First Career Homer, Taylor Gushue Homers Again

    6 Bucs Dugout

    Pirates win 8-6 (again), return to .500

    7 Fish Stripes

    MLB Scores: Miami Marlins 6, Pittsburgh Pirates 8

    8 Green Weenie

    Bucs Coast For Eight And Hold On In The Ninth For 8-6 Win

    9 Vavel

    Pittsburgh Pirates’ Outfield Playing at Elite Level Since Gregory Polanco Promotion

    10 Raise the Jolly Roger

    Pirates 8, Marlins 6

    Vance Worley joins the pitching staff

  29. JAL says:

    NEWSPAPERS and MAGAZINES and Other Media

    11 SB Nation


    12 CBS Sports

    Pirates vs Marlins Game Preview

    13 Chicago Sun Times

    Another bleak effort from Edwin Jackson

    14 Miami Herald

    Randy Wolf falters again for Miami Marlins in loss to Pittsburgh Pirates

    15 Pirates Site

    Bucs hold out after piling on behind Morton

    Worley to debut for Bucs in finale vs. Marlins

    16 Cincinnati Enquirer

    ffense is down across MLB, but not like the Reds

    17 Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

    Braun snaps slump with clutch homerb>

    18 St. Louis Post Dispatch

    Adams homers again, Cards top Nats

    Miklasz: Pitching is keeping Cards in race

    19 Fangraphs

    You Should Trust the Projections

    20 Baseball Prospectus

    The Swing Speedometer

  30. Maz in Iowa says:

    Hopefully Walker/Cole will be back in the next 10-12 days.Things are looking better as the season goes along.Nice to see the Bucs are handling adversity well

  31. theplanisworking says:

    See my note to you up above, Brandie Cakes!

    And a big Ruh-Roh to you.

    Take care. :)

  32. Brandie says:

    No. You were right the first time. Your spelling was off. Should be anti as in Jim Bowden is anti sport. Just goes to show you that those who can’t bloviate.

  33. Brandie says:



  34. Brandie says:

    You better believe it!!!!!!’

  35. bpn8pitt says:


  36. Patrick(ri) says:

    Doesn’t Marte have to occasionally lay one down to gain anything from his frequent fakes while taking 1st pitch strikes?

  37. Arriba Wilver says:

    This is for TC—Perry Hill.

  38. JRay3 says:

    Pirates send LHP Blake Taylor to Mets to complete Ike Davis trade .

    Taylor was Bucs 2nd round selection in 2013.

  39. JRay3 says:

    Nice opening frame for Worley. Like how he was really establishing inner part of the plate and going in there.

  40. Bizrow says:

    Thanks for the info, JRay ;-)

  41. cmat0829 says:

    Bowden and Duquette are proven LOSERS, and Duquette lost with no budget issues whatsoever.

    1) OF course the Pirates are IN the wild card chase, they are like 2 games out I think and their schedule lightens up quite a bit. They certainly need not make ANY panic type of moves whatsoever to stay in the race for a good while.

    2) As to SS gap, the question really is how much you want to keep JayHey in the lineup…after Walker returns, it is pretty clear to me, other than a spot start here and there and 3B vs LHP, JayHey’s opportunity to stay in the lineup is at SS a few games a week. That evaporates if we pick up Rollins. And Rollins 2014 is not Rollins 2008 Mr Bowden. His range is about 70% of Clint Barmes.

    3) As to a starting pitcher, YES no doubt the Bucs need one of those, but can we aim higher please than AJB?

  42. cmat0829 says:

    I know people chide dumpster dives, and no idea how Worley will fare the rest of the game, but there is some value to a pitcher as depth who has pitched a slew of ML games in his career. He has been there, not gonna be wide-eyed, etc.

    He will need to be good today if the Bucs can’t lay off the change up that is never going to be close to a strike….

  43. cmat0829 says:

    well it wasn’t a SS (Jacoby Jones) who many speculated was a foregone conclusion. Know nothing of this Taylor kid but on paper I like the fact that it isn’t a SS going…..

  44. 21sthebest says:

    That was my wife’s uncle and cousin!

  45. cmat0829 says:

    EXACTLY. Let’s not have bullpen panic based on the past 2 days.. Yesterday it was giving Stolmy a chance to pitch… the day before it was a Friday the 13th freakshow of walks…. I think a big part of this is that this team – Marlins – has a bunch of guys who play hard to the end, don’t give up at bats, etc…. especially in their home park… i think they have a very good OBP/average in the late innings this year which is a testament to that. A lot of late inning stuff – either teams rolling over and playing dead when down 4-6 runs – or teams rallying ‘never say die’ is psychological.

    regardless, as I have in past deadlines, I implore NH to bolster this pen with a veteran who can augment the core (Watson – Melancon – Grilli – Hughes – Wilson, in that order)… like the Reds pickup of Broxton a couple of years ago… maybe some like Soria of the Rangers.

  46. cmat0829 says:

    um, see Myers, Will and Odirizzi, Jake for Shields, James. But much like in his GM job I doubt research is a big part of the agenda for Dopey Jim Bowden.

  47. cmat0829 says:

    Oh, one more Jim Bowden point… a few weeks back he had the Pirates dead and buried… and well behind the Reds, who he said were superior in every way. Now, he implores them to make a move – Burnett and Rollins from the Phossils – to put them over the top. I mean, in honor of one AJB, STFD Bowden.

  48. cmat0829 says:

    yes. otherwise he is sometimes passing up the best pitch of the atbat with that ‘theatre’. Walk was ON POINT about Marte yesterday… he is given a golden opportunity by hitting between Polanco and Cutch… he MUST MAKE THE PITCHER PITCH to him and not swing at pitches a foot outside and low. With Polanco on base and Cutch next, if he works the count even a little bit, he should set himself up for a fastball. And he really murders fastballs (usually).

  49. cmat0829 says:


  50. Patrick(ri) says:

    Ah, speed kills.

  51. JRay3 says:

    Man Polanco can fly…speed infield single and than speed first to home and Buccos once again strike first.

    Good to see Marte back!

  52. cmat0829 says:

    I THINK Cole’s spot in the rotation would be next Saturday the 21st at Wrigley… I think, depending on how Cole feels, and how Worley does today, they can plug Cole right in there or have Worley go and bring Cole back in Tampa.

  53. Lad 9 says:


  54. radio wave says:

    Reds are healthy. Should be interesting this week.

  55. cmat0829 says:

    Wow, how nice is it to get that run by Polanco legging out an INFIELD HIT on a ball hit SHARPLY TO SECOND BASE (let that sink in)… then Marte attacking the first pitch fastball (yes, the 2 spot will draw fastballs with that speed on base and Cutch next)…and Polanco legging it all the way around….

    Leave Marte in that 2 spot… it is the best one to protect him from himself.

  56. Maz in Iowa says:

    Looks like Hurdle’s patience with Marte is paying off.

  57. cmat0829 says:

    Reds offense has plunged, inexplicably. To me they are clearly a step below Milwaukee and St Louis (and our Pirates). Clearly. Not saying they aren’t a good team, but something is amiss there.

  58. JRay3 says:

    Leave Marte in the 2 hole and move Walker to clean up when he returns.

  59. cmat0829 says:

    Patience? What’s patience? not sure on this blog we know the term…can you define it for us? :)

  60. JRay3 says:

    Team got Marte going again, need to figure out now how to get Ike going.

  61. cmat0829 says:

    YES. boy, this lineup looks so good to have Polanco -Marte – Cutch – Walker – Martin – Pedro – Ike – Mercer… of course you can plug in JayHey all over that lineup depending on whose spot he takes…. we need to get Walker in that 4 hole… he doesn’t strike out a lot and that will lead to a lot of run production….. my druthers would be to eventually bump Pedro up and drop Martin down, but that’s a nit.

  62. radio wave says:

    Anyone surprised the red light wasn’t on at third?

  63. Maz in Iowa says:


  64. cmat0829 says:

    just not sure his baseball IQ is very high. Hate to challenge that, but in that spot pulling a pitch low in the strike zone is recipe for disaster. be good to be able to drop Ike to a spot in the order where he can be a plus and not a minus.

    Offseason activity? Fit Pedro for 1B glove. Especially if JayHey keeps hitting… then you play JayHey at 3B, Pedro platoons with Gaby as a dream team and you reduce your errors a ton.

  65. JRay3 says:

    Alvarez positioned perfectly and than another pump into glove and throw away.

    Can make the difficult look easy and than butcher the easy.

  66. cmat0829 says:

    Vanimal, welcome to the Pirates…where your infielders will throw balls around and make you get 4 or 5 outs an inning….. Pedro’s throw was crap but also most 1Bman pick that ball… Ike does NOT impress me defensively AT ALL…. he is better than Garrett but only slightly.

  67. radio wave says:

    My question to those watching tv, how ugly are the orange unis?

  68. Parrothead says:

    Tine to make Pedro a first baseman . Move Walker or Harrison to third. Solves two problems .

  69. bpn8pitt says:

    Again, if you want to play deep into Oct you are going to need better than Vance Worley.

  70. cmat0829 says:

    I know I just joked about patience, but I’ve seen enough. Pedro for FIRST BASE!! Two birds, one stone. Or one Pedro air mailed throw to kill two pigeons in the upper deck.

  71. cmat0829 says:

    I actually like the Marlins unis. I may be in the minority on that.

  72. Lad 9 says:

    Taylor is really young -won’t be 19 until August. Pitched In the GCL last year and was 0-2 with a 2.57 ERA , a WHIP under 1.00, and an opposition BA of .104 in 21 innings. Currently in extended spring training. In other words, we still don’t know much from 21 innings, but he was a high number 2 pick.

  73. JRay3 says:

    Through three and Worley is out pitching Alvarez and has pitch count advantage of 40 to 50.

    Who woulda thought?

  74. JRay3 says:

    Ok Pedro redeems himself a bit by slashing ball opposite field and now runners on corners nobody out .

  75. radio wave says:

    15 errors for Pedro, most in mlb at 3b.

  76. cmat0829 says:

    YES, Bucs must get another starter, but I don’t need to accept LOSER BOWDEN’s package deal of Rollins and the herniated AJB. Worley is 7th starter at this point, to the choice isn’t Worley or anyone else…

    If Cole returns healthy but Liriano doesn’t, then the choice is Locke/Cumpton/Volquez vs. 1 or 2 upgrades.
    If Cole and Liriano return healthy, then the choice is those 3 vs. 1 upgrade.

    If I were GM, I definitely target a LEGITIMATE AND TRUE stud starter… Cole – new starter – Morton – Liriano – #5 (Volquez/Locke)…. with Cumpton as Liriano insurance. And either Volquez or Locke the long man in the bullpen.

    Bullpen would be Watson (closer) – Melancon – new bullpen acquisition – Grilli – Wilson – Hughes – Volquez/Locke.

    But like Jim Bowden, I’ll never be a Major League GM (in his case again)

  77. JRay3 says:

    JHay with liner to right and it’s 2-0 good guys.

    Marlins announcer calling this best hitting club they have seen all season.

    Five hits already so streak of double digit hits still very much in play.

  78. cmat0829 says:

    Wow, there are few times I have watched a Pirate game in the last 20 years where every inning I actually feel like we have a good chance to score. In this inning, the bottom part of the order gets it going… in years past, there are innings I’d feel free not to bother to watch because we had no chance to score…. and this is without Walker.
    Hard not to be very optimistic about this Pirates offense.

  79. cmat0829 says:

    Probably only Vanimal himself. But when I have to watch Randy Wolf labor in a major league game I commend NH for finding someone who actually looks like he still has stuff to get ML hitters out.

  80. JRay3 says:

    Remember Alvarez entered this game undefeated at Marlins Park with a 1.64 ERA.

  81. cmat0829 says:

    yes, this is not meatball Wolf out there…..

  82. JRay3 says:

    New age Lumber Company.

  83. The Gunner says:

    Worley’s line thru 3 is very good. Hopefully, he can repeat that for the next 3.

    I agree with bpn8pitt who posted above the Bucs need to do better than Vance Worley. However, Worley appears to be making a positive impact so far today.

  84. Thundercrack says:

    +1 AW

  85. cmat0829 says:

    he’s our #7 starter. but yes, agree. if we need Worley to pitch even past this game this year, it will be because Cole AND Liriano remain injured all year. In that case, you will need a couple of starters to play until October. But as a #7 starter, I’m pretty comfortable with the depth options. As stated before many times, depth options aren’t the issue for the Pirates… lack of a proven starter to pitch the stretch run may be but depth isn’t.

  86. cmat0829 says:

    who do I hate McGehee so much?

  87. Maz in Iowa says:

    Polanco has a hit in every MLB game

  88. Maz in Iowa says:

    He’s been a Cub/Brewer?

  89. cmat0829 says:

    i think it was when he was with the pirates he sucked so bad. same reason I hate Overbay also probably.

  90. bpn8pitt says:

    cmat, what the Pirates need is a pitcher who can get into the 7th and 8th innings.

    I disagree with you on the bullpen. They are wearing down. Missing spots, leaving balls up. They may run out of gas in the 2nd half.

  91. cmat0829 says:

    VANIMAL!!!!!! slithers out of trouble and 4 innings up, 4 innings down. One more inning and I’d be satisfied….but don’t stop there on my account!

  92. bpn8pitt says:

    No CGs all year. 1 SO.

    Those numbers telling.

  93. cmat0829 says:

    not sure what you are disagreeing with. I said (1) not time to panic and (2) NH must add to the pen with a proven arm at the deadline. That seems pretty consistent with your concern they will eventually wear down. I think we AGREE actually.

    But to put the past 2 games in perspective, yesterday was Pimentel. Hard to lump him in with the ‘bullpen’. If anything, the concern should be centered on (1) Wilson is inconsistent (2) Grilli is not really 2013 vintage version. That can be addressed with one pickup and moving Watson or Melancon to closer.

  94. dennis g says:

    I am guessing the BMTIB would gladly undo the Morris trade. The problem with keeping Grilli as a closer (aside from the fact that he is ineffective) is the fact that it artificially affects the relief rotation. The manager cannot use his relievers in the most effective way possible if he always has to be prepared to put Grilli (or any other pitcher) in when the save presents itself. Saves are nonsense and so is taking out Jeff Locke after less than 80 pitches. Let the starters pitch until they are ineffective or until you must pinch hit for them (or perhaps a pitch count, but certainly over 100.) Then come in with the best available reliever, depending on the situation, without regard for save statistics.

  95. cmat0829 says:

    morton last 2 starts, 7IP. Locke 7IP and 8IP. Volquez 7IP. I think the rotation is actually getting better. Hurdle was right, Liriano is injured but he also needed a mental break anyway.

    Don’t lose any sleep waiting for CGs and SOs. That’s not baseball 2014. But yes, 6+IP from starters is a must. As is picking up one stud starting pitcher. But I don’t want to lower the bar to picking up an ‘innings eater’. I have no interest in that. These guys we have are capable of 6+ every time out. What we need is a #2 or #3 guy who can take us to the next level.

  96. bpn8pitt says:

    Wish it were that simple.

    My point is these 5 and 6 innings starts are gonna have an effect on the bullpen in Aug Sept.

    To tell you the truth Cole should be handed with care the rest of the year. Shoulders are nothing to toy with and can hurt elbows too.

  97. Thundercrack says:

    I wonder if Grilli’s problem is that he doesn’t pitch enough. Or so it seems. Maybe they’re afraid of him getting hurt again

  98. cmat0829 says:

    lol. most of this blog was ready to tar and feather Bryan Morris. There is NO WAY I’d put Morris ahead of any pitcher the Pirates have in the bullpen right now, outside of perhaps a rusty Pimentel. And that includes Grilli who I admit is not the 2013 version.

    CH may indeed have a sticky situation, much like AJB of the playoffs last year. Can he make a closer swap (and Watson is more than capable) while keeping a productive Jason Grilli in the pen? Or is he better off keeping Grilli for the 9th to maximize all involved? (sometimes the tough inning isn’t always the 9th, btw).

  99. cmat0829 says:

    oh and if you are referring to Friday’s game, Locke had pitched 101 pitches, not less than 80. The start last week I think was a low pitch count but the Pirates were trailing 1-0.

  100. JRay3 says:

    And Worley gets a clean 5th after his first bout of trouble in 4th.

    At just 69 pitches, awfully impressive Bucs debut this afternoon.

    Maybe Pirates have a bit more pitching depth than many thought.

  101. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Or what Vance Worley is doing right now.

  102. cmat0829 says:

    which 5 and 6 inning starts are you referring to? Biggest offender was Liriano and he’s on the DL. They did lift Cumpton last week but that ended up beautifully and was the right move. Beyond that I can’t recall many 5 inning starts.

    But we really aren’t disagreeing , are we? Nor does Clint. He is generally pushing the starters out there for the 7th most of the time if at all feasible.

    They should look to add a starter and a bullpen piece. Said that like 1000 times. and will say it 1000 more.

  103. JRay3 says:

    Pirates appear to have some interesting decisions when Cole and Liriano get healthy and return to rotation.

  104. Baywatch says:

    Vance! Our Chunkheimer! Chunking that ball … and he’s a thick dude!

  105. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Like what Vance Worley is doing today. He looks like a LHP from the right side.

    He might do OK for a couple more starts, but I think the Pirates will have to add an top shielf type of pitcher to A. Make the playoffs and B. Go deep into the playoffs.

    All in all, so far, so good

  106. cmat0829 says:

    he’s an athlete… like the way he stands at the plate, isn’t lost handling the bat… jumps off the mound to field his position… and seems like he knows what he is doing on the mound.

    #7 in the rotation. He will go back to Indy and stand ready if we need him again. Good to have him down and available if we need him.

  107. bpn8pitt says:

    Idk, TC. Interested to hear some of the takes Monday morning on the blog.

    Beyond Watson, I have a lot of concerns. I think the BBs are way up from this point last year.

  108. Baywatch says:

    I vote for going after David Price!

  109. The Gunner says:

    Agreed! A top shelf pitcher needs to be added. In the meantime, we could do a lot worse than Worley. He’s doing a great job today.

  110. JRay3 says:

    Thing to remember about Worley vs Cumpton is Brandon has options, Vance would have to pass through waivers.

    Today’s showing would probably be of interest to a few MLB teams.

    Solid six shutout innings from Worley, exemplifies next man up mantra with this club.

  111. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    That would be my #1 target Bay.

    I’ve always been a David Price fan, though.

  112. Maz in Iowa says:

    I never would have expected this out of Vance(don’t call me JoAnn)Worley.Very impressive!

  113. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Is it only one start. So let’s not jump through hoops just yet….but can’t complain about his performance today.

  114. JRay3 says:

    Wow two infield singles by Polanco today. One on a screamer and one on a bleeder.

  115. Maz in Iowa says:

    El Coffee strikes again!

  116. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I don’t remember if it was on here or twitter where after the 1st game of GP, they called him a bust because he didn’t look as fast as advertised.

    Seriously, I’m not making that up

  117. JohninOshkosh says:

    Tuned into France/Honduras just to hear the great anthem, La Marseillaise.

    Dude in charge forgot to bring the recordings of the respective nations’ anthems.

    French kits rock, though.

  118. JRay3 says:

    Can’t get much better pitching line than this:

    7 IP 5 H 0 R 0 BB 5 K

    Worley put in the work in Bradenton, carried it over to Indy and is rewarded with an absolutely superb start.

  119. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Actually, all week long the manager has used his BP exactly how he’s wanted.

    The SP determines how the BP will be used.

    2 games do NOT change the thinking or strategy on that.

    The 7-8-9 guys are shut down and bumps in the road like Friday are bound to happen, even to the best of them.

    I do consider these 3 guys (Watson, MM and Grilli) some of the best in the business.

    Can’t expect them to be perfect every night.

  120. Maz in Iowa says:

    Pirates starters last 4 games: 29 innings — 4 runs allowed

  121. JRay3 says:

    Ike Davis needs to come up with a pick every now and again.

    Between his defense and ineptitude at the plate having just an awful day.

  122. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:


    Absolutely huge back to back strike outs by Watson.

  123. JRay3 says:

    And another Pirate starter slapped with a ND as bullpen falters late.

  124. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    But not big enough…


  125. Maz in Iowa says:

    Bullpen epic fail

  126. Lad 9 says:

    To be fair, Watson should have been out of that without a run. Pedro and Ike botched that…ahem…infield single.

  127. Florida Steeler says:

    Way to go Pedro. The Marlin’s thank you and Worley says great job. I’m sorry but the guy is a horrible fielder and will never hit to be worth big money.

  128. JRay3 says:

    Go back to first batter of inning, if Ike makes pick far different story .

    Need some more offensive magic.

  129. Patrick(ri) says:

    Bob &Tim were discussing historical perspectives on pitchers & pitching — what I have never understood is not the need for closers, but when did it become mandatory to use one whenever the opportunity arises as opposed to actual need? Ditto for 8th inning guy, and if he cruises, why not let him finish the game?

  130. Florida Steeler says:

    I agree but Pedro is an awful defensive third baseman.

  131. Thundercrack says:

    Listening to the game on the radio. It doesn’t sound like Wehner or Brown are thrilled with Pedro.

    After the error at the beginning of the bottom of the 8th, Wehner said ‘that is a play we see made all the time at this level”. Brown agreed.

    When Watson gave up the double that scored two, Brown said ‘this is not all Tony Watson’s fault because of the error from Pedro Alvarez that was ruled a hit’

  132. JRay3 says:

    Tough to argue when he carries 15 errors around with him.

  133. radio wave says:

    Was wondering if the pen could old it. And Watson has been great. And to that bum who used to stink for us.

  134. Florida Steeler says:

    +++++++ Have no idea why we got him.

  135. War_Horse says:

    Alvarez is musclebound. It affects his ability to throw accurately consistently. All those muscle have been developed for hitting, not throwing. You could see the same thing with Barry Bonds in the outfield at SFO. His arm was so big he couldn’t reach over to pick up a ball on the ground.

  136. Florida Steeler says:

    Has not helped his hitting or fielding. He constantly hurts this team.

  137. JRay3 says:

    Nice job Hughes. Marte and Cutch to start the 10th.

  138. Maz in Iowa says:

    Bucs have a flair for the melodramatic this series, :)

  139. War_Horse says:

    Now is the time to score and let Melancon or Grilli make amends.

  140. Patrick(ri) says:

    Given how easy the bottom of the 7th was, I think if they had let him pitch the 8th, and used Watson in the 9th, it seems probable they would be on the way to the airport?

  141. Tom P. says:

    Nice job by Hughes.

  142. Patrick(ri) says:

    Ha! CH cannot bunt Cutch.

  143. Patrick(ri) says:

    Has Ike tried Red Bull?

  144. Maz in Iowa says:

    Sac fly at least!

  145. Patrick(ri) says:

    Got the right guy up.

  146. Patrick(ri) says:

    Apologies to Ike. Good AB.

  147. Florida Steeler says:


  148. Patrick(ri) says:

    The inability to score with loaded bases will be legendary!!!

  149. Florida Steeler says:

    Can we believe this ineptitude??

  150. Maz in Iowa says:


  151. JRay3 says:

    Martin’s AB the difference maker, Barmes swings at two balls no where near plate and team fails to score after loading bases with no outs.


  152. JRay3 says:

    Team does have 44 hits this series…timeliness of hits at times not there.

  153. Patrick(ri) says:

    Might have nice to see JHey left in for that at bat! You can blame El Toro, with justification, but I would throw in two unnecessary moves.

  154. radio wave says:

    Team no good with sacks full.

  155. Maz in Iowa says:

    Bucs did not deserve to win

  156. Florida Steeler says:

    Hurdle LOVES Barmes–cannot understand how Barmes or Snider are on a major league team.

  157. Florida Steeler says:

    ++++And, now we can await Hurdle’s usual babble and excuses.

  158. JRay3 says:

    Pirates just did not execute down the stretch against a team that shows no quit.

    Got what they deserved today.

    Disappointing to waste another great start but still took 2 out of 3 as Bucs fail in another chance at a sweep.

  159. Lad 9 says:

    Too many mistakes. Alvarez gives away three outs, Barmes has an at bat a 9 year old should be ashamed of with the bases loaded, and Russell Martin fails at the plate and behind it in the last inning. Add it up, and you deserved what you got.

  160. Maz in Iowa says:

    Yet the Pirates(knowing Pedro will go free agent) and also knowing Alvarez’s glove is not good(actually his arm) did not address the problem in the draft.

  161. Gene-Zo says:

    Worley deserved a win, Hurdle did not. Slavish adherence to the “new baseball” maxim that relievers must be used regardless — even if the starter is cruising after 7 or 8 — bites Bucs in the a*s for the third straight game. Difference this time is the bats didn’t bail them out.

  162. Today’s a typical Pirates’ loss. And this means that they’ll at or about .500 for the forseeable future. Anyhow, they won’t be facing the Marlins again until the first week of August in PNC Park.

  163. Maz in Iowa says:

    McGehee the Pirate killer today.Man…..that one stings!!!!

  164. Baywatch says:

    I hate to lose, especially a)on Sundays and b) when we had ‘em on the 10th-inning ropes. But, hey, we all knew Watson wasn’t fallible. And did the veteran kid Worley ever pitch a gem! Oh, and we knew some of Clint’s decisions were going to backfire at some point, too! :-) I haven’t read anything above yet, but … ANY CHANCE folks didn’t like him pitching to McGehee with a base open there? :-(

  165. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    The Pirates now officially have a late-inning problem.
    You can’t give games like that away, and they almost did it three times in this series.

    Color me concerned …

  166. Maz in Iowa says:

    You mean just because McGehee is hitting .403 w/RISP they shouldn’t pitch to him??

  167. Arriba Wilver says:

    You miss Ishi?

  168. Gene-Zo says:

    Thought for sure they’d intentionally walk him after the wild pitch/PB opened up first base.

  169. Maz in Iowa says:

    Gonna be a long flight back to the burgh

  170. bpn8pitt says:

    Glad Vance Worley pitched well today.

    …Errors and walks…again, giving away too many free bases. And again the opposing team made them pay.

    Happy Fathers Day, gentlemen.

  171. Parrothead says:

    What a disappointing game. Should not have l

  172. Baywatch says:

    Me either, Parrothead! :-)

  173. Parrothead says:

    What a disappointing game. Should not have lost, but after sitting through that game, I wonder how many errors Pedro really has. Hometown. Scorekeeper ruled two plays hits that should have been refers on Pedro. Especially the one in the eighth inning. A good throw or scoop by Davis and Baker is out by three feet. No way it’s a hit. And Davis’s lack of ability was evident today. He should have been able to scoop both of Pedro’s bad throws, but a competent first baseman will at least scoop one of them. People are questioning what to do with Harrison. Let’s start the transition of moving Pedro to first and move Walker or Harrison to third. I did not like what I saw from Davis today, moping around on the field after every one of his weak at bats. Let’s improve the team and move Pedro to first.

  174. dennis g says:

    Actually there is no evidence that using a closer in the eighth and ninth inning gets any better results than a non-closer. All relief pitchers over time get roughly the same results on average when entering the game with a 3 run or less lead. The fact that CH got to use the very pitchers he wanted to does not mean they were the best choices and it does not meant that after using them the bullpen was in the best situation possible. I am making the same arguments I have made in other places since CH has taken over. There is no evidence that over the length of a season that the Hurdle system is effective.

  175. dennis g says:

    I think he is going to be traded. There is less and less reason to keep him and he seems to be appearing in fewer “highlight” commercials. Josh Harrison’s catch is being shown constantly.

  176. Maz in Iowa says:

    13 blown saves already.Another thing I wondered about…..why would you hit Barmes over Tabata?Tabby must be almost a .300 hitter.I guess Hurdle was thinking it might go even more innings.It’s all I could come up with.smh

  177. dennis g says:

    Whenever they started keeping track of saves and basing the relief pitchers value and contact on saves. CH has gone out of his way on numerous occasions over the past three years to give those opportunities to Grilli . This comes at the expense of the other relievers. Joel Hanrahan had a 90% success rate in 2012 and the Pirates traded him and went with Grilli who was even better until he ran out of gas. Now both Grilli and Melancon are in the high seventies and everyone else is at zero.

  178. Patrick(ri) says:

    Sneaked a look at the Twitter and found out the real cause of the loss: DK was AWOL, closing his windows!

  179. dennis g says:

    MY guess is there would be no one to play second base in the bottom of the tenth or the rest of the way if they don’t score.

  180. chethejet1 says:

    BP outside of Watson is struggling now. the pace they have set the last year and a half have been above the talent IMHO. I expected some regression and it is now happening. Tough loss as the lack of key hits when the opportunity was there is why this team just isn’t very good at situational hitting. Polanco will not have this kind of impact as he will come back as well. But the one thing he does really well is hit the ball and make solid contact. Give a couple of weeks to see where Cole is and then hopeful if they are still in the WC hunt or even division is in reach, NH has to take the gloves off.

  181. bpn8pitt says:

    Pedro, Glasnow, Meadows, Bell


    King Felix, cash

  182. Chuck H says:

    Makes a lot of sense to groom Pedro for 1st base, but only against RH pitching. Too many of his throws are meant for an 8 feet tall 1st baseman. He makes way too many errors for a 3rd baseman. Also, it’s been proven that he is terrible against lefties.

  183. Rob Scott says:

    Marte Glasnow Meadows for Giancarlo Stanton

    Tailion and Bell for David Price.

    Hello 2014 playoffs

  184. bpn8pitt says:

    Felix is under contract for awhile. Figure if Taillon turns out at least average to above average, you got a nice three with Felix, Cole and Jameson.

    I have a better chance of playing for Pirates than those deals happening…but id like to see them make a big move with the next 3 years in mind.

  185. tomf says:

    the ‘big move’ the Pirates should make is to play a third basemen that can field and make a throw to first base

    and the Pirates will also need a top quality closer

  186. tomf says:

    Davis has a significant flaw in his swing

    it has and will continue to limit his success

  187. Chuck H says:

    The Pirates have to be the worst team hitting with RISP or with the bases loaded. They cannot even seem to be able to hit a sac fly with a runner on 3rd. They usually hit into a DP and then the next batter will usually strike out. Still too many auto outs with RISP.

  188. Chuck H says:

    But why can’t he hit with RISP???

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