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Final: Reds 6, Pirates 5

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (34-35) vs. Cincinnati Reds (33-35)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, Radio: Root Sports, 93.7 The Fan

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page and our Bucco Blog. Rob Biertempfel is on the scene for the Trib.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Tom P. says:


    Cincinnati Reds Lineup

    CF: Billy Hamilton
    3B: Todd Frazier
    1B: Joey Votto
    2B: Brandon Phillips
    RF: Jay Bruce
    LF: Ryan Ludwick
    C: Brayan Pena
    SS: Zack Cozart
    SP: Johnny Cueto

    Pittsburgh Pirates Lineup

    RF: Gregory Polanco
    LF: Starling Marte
    CF: Andrew McCutchen
    1B: Ike Davis
    C: Russell Martin
    3B: Pedro Alvarez
    2B: Josh Harrison
    SS: Jordy Mercer
    SP: Brandon Cumpton

  2. Nate83 says:


    What an awesome atmosphere last year. Hopefully some of that can happen tonight as well. Cueto is an excellant pitcher. I think he got of to a very hot start this year and has cooled off a little. Let’s not be the team he gets back on track against.

  3. NMR says:

    I usually love seeing aces in person, but I’ve had my fill of Cueto. I’d now prefer a win.

  4. The Gunner says:

    I agree, NMR -he is so tough vs. the Bucs. Maybe we’ll get lucky and Cueto will get the flu before tonight’s game and be unable to go tonight.

  5. Patrick(ri) says:

    Isn’t it better to face the best and prevail? If you cannot beat some of these guys what is the point?

  6. NMR says:

    The point? Winning baseball games.

  7. bpn8pitt says:

    NMR and nate83, good stuff on Bucco Blog yesterday.

  8. Patrick(ri) says:

    Did you miss the word “prevail?”

  9. Nate83 says:

    I can’t remember what I said but thanks.

    I’m sure NMR’s comments involved a ton of arrogence :)

  10. The Gunner says:

    Amen, NMR

  11. NMR says:

    Well see, the thing about facing the best is that you’re not going to prevail more often than you will.

    That’s how baseball works.

    Even for the good teams.

  12. NMR says:

    I’m arrogant on DK’s blog, just a regular ole jack*ss on Sawchik’s.

    bpn, you should hang around there more often.

  13. bpn8pitt says:

    Oh I read it a lot. The back and forth between Travis, yourself, Jim, Andrew, Nate, Boston Commons and the other seamheads is tremendous.

    Really, really interested what happens with Martin.

  14. Maz in Iowa says:

    Seems like forever since Sunday.That said,the Bucs need to jump on top(scoring) right away.It makes it a lot easier with the fragile starting staff.Sorry I think fragile describes the starters very well.

  15. Patrick(ri) says:

    Now I refer you guys to the word “some.” Did not wish to suggest we beat the best all the time, just that giving your best against the best is the better circumstance. Certainly more fun than watching us tee off against Randy Wolf, late of the Marlins?

  16. NMR says:

    Agreed. I learn a hell of a lot more than I teach around those guys.

  17. NMR says:

    Literally and figuratively.

  18. Thundercrack says:

    No wonder you and DK get along so good.


    I AM KIDDING!!!!……….sort of……….

  19. Thundercrack says:

    Does anyone have the ESPN Insider account? Keith Law gives his opinion/analysis on the Ike Davis trade.
    Would like to know what he thinks of it.

  20. Florida Steeler says:

    Watched College World Series game this p.m. and the home plate umpire was excellent. Consistent strike zone that did not include pitches outside or low like some of the stuff we have seen this year.
    I am convinced if MLB eliminated the nepotism and politics to get to the big league level, we would see far more competent umpires.

  21. Flbucco says:

    Just looked at the splits for the past 28 days – no surprise Cutch is smoking -1.134 OPS
    Martin since his return 18 games – is second on the team @ .922

    On the other end – the two lowest are

    Want to guess who those pathetic numbers belong to?

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  23. Arriba Wilver says:

    Just speakin’ for myself, I’d rather win against Randy Wolf than lose against Cueto. Certainly like beating Cueto, too.

  24. Bizrow says:

    I do, let me see what he said

    On Sunday, the Mets and Pirates put a face on the “player-to-be-named” component of the trade from earlier this season that sent Ike Davis to Pittsburgh, with New York acquiring lefty Blake Taylor, the Pirates’ second-round pick from last year’s Rule 4 draft.

    Taylor, who won’t turn 19 until August, hasn’t pitched this year because of a lat strain that kept him in extended spring training. When healthy, he has a fastball that’s mostly 89-91 mph with some life, but he was clocked as high as 94-95 in high school. His main feature is a sharp-breaking curveball that should allow him to miss left- and right-handed bats as he fills out and adds a little velocity to the pitch.

    At the time of the draft, I had him as a potential midrotation starter but still with a ton of development ahead of him. He has below-average fastball command and is in need of a changeup. I’ve never been a huge Davis fan, but the Pirates seem to have found a solid niche for him as a platoon bat who’s showing improved patience against right-handed arms — and I have to think there’s more power in there, somewhere, as Davis was always a power-before-hit guy. Swapping a part-timer for a promising 6-foot-3 left-handed starting pitching prospect (plus organizational arm Zack Thornton) seems like a reasonable deal for both sides.

  25. Thundercrack says:

    Thanks Biz!

  26. The Gunner says:

    I definitely agree with you on this, AW

  27. Flbucco says:

    Generally thought it was fair to both teams – Law is not a big Ike Davis fan so this was a bit of a surprise…

  28. Bizrow says:

    One more thought on Mr Noll and a tribute to him

    If they build a statue

    One of the coolest things I thought the PBC did was ask folks for a $21 donation to build the Roberto statue.

    My family donated $63, one for each of us. Got a nice letter that is who knows where. But it makes me feel good whenever I pass by it and especially when I see folks taking pictures with it

    I’m just thinking (always something to worry about), Mr Noll built Steeler Nation, would it not be nice to see what we could do for him?

    Second option, Drew is a huge advocate of fighting Altzheimers, his Dad and mine both passed from it. Their ashes lay probably no more than two miles from each other.

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    Only problem is Drew lives in Florida, so at least for me, when I was working, the corporate weenies would not add a match.

    You know, its not about beating the dam disease or anything ;-)

    Now back to regular programming

  29. Bizrow says:

    Anytime, TC

  30. pattonbb says:


  31. The Gunner says:

    Cumpton sure kept his cool in the top of the 1st. Now the offense needs to get real offensive.

  32. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    There’s another blog???


    Oh well.

    Tough start tonight for Cumpton. Just keep the offense in the game, which could be asking a lot against Cueto.

  33. Patrick(ri) says:

    A little more of Josh’s “warning track” power on display!

  34. radio wave says:

    Josh by gosh.

  35. The Gunner says:

    Jay Hey better be playing every day even after Walker comes back

  36. Patrick(ri) says:


  37. JRay3 says:

    Cumpton just punked Votto in that AB and Votto slams bat and helmet.

    Impressive pitching to leave Hamilton at third.

  38. The Gunner says:

    Cumpton slams the door on Votto & company.

  39. JRay3 says:

    Gunner – Where? SS?

  40. Maz in Iowa says:

    Nice hit by Polanco

  41. JRay3 says:

    Just a 7 game hitting streak to begin his pro career for El Coffee.

  42. Reading says:

    When it comes to hitting, any time you are on the same list as Clemente is good.

  43. JRay3 says:

    Think Cutch has already locked Player of the Month for June.

    Just another double and 12 game hitting streak.

  44. Reading says:

    Two fastest guys on second and third. Can we get a ball out of the infield?

  45. JRay3 says:

    The 4 hole has been an albatross for Bucs this year…really need Ike to plate one here.

    Still say Walker for cleanup when he returns next week.

  46. Flbucco says:

    If we only had a legit cleanup hitter ;-)
    They don’t get paid to get walks!

  47. JRay3 says:

    OK can Martin atone for himself from Sunday in Miami?

    Cueto at 58 pitches and counting.

  48. Patrick(ri) says:

    Now they have us where they want– bases jammed.

  49. radio wave says:

    Here we go bags loaded. Maybe this time.

  50. Reading says:

    A grand slam would work here.

  51. radio wave says:

    Ok we will take it!

  52. Patrick(ri) says:

    That’s it, now is the time for the “chant.”

  53. Brandie says:

    Nice walk by CUE-TO!!!!

  54. The Gunner says:

    Pedro is OVERDUE!!!

  55. Florida Steeler says:

    What can they do with Pedro?? The guy is awful in clutch–time to trade him.

  56. radio wave says:

    Didn’t think that kid played d.

  57. JRay3 says:

    Would have liked more but Bucs making Cueto work and he won’t be long for this game with his pitch count.

    Still nice to get early lead off of their ace.

  58. Thundercrack says:

    You probably know my view in throws from outfielders , so I have no problem with Cutch tagging up there…even on a shallow fly

  59. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Well, that’s a good way to end a threat.

  60. Reading says:

    Or a weak flair to shallow center that doesn’t score anybody. Maybe the other third baseman would have come through. Time to flip flop 6 and 7 spots.

  61. Patrick(ri) says:

    Would have been nice to see what JHay could have done. Sure looked like Hamilton was in great position?

  62. Patrick(ri) says:


  63. Wild Bill says:

    When Neil gets back, put Harrison at third and sit Pedro for a few like we did with Marte – gotta try that first.

  64. DJ says:

    Trying to think of the last opporuntity where Pedro came through.

    Still thinking.

  65. Andrew says:

    Yep, Davis should have gone out of the zone and hit a weak flare like Alvarez.

  66. DJ says:

    Asking too much.

  67. Andrew says:

    If he stinks does he really have any trade value?

  68. Reading says:

    A troll hit by Ludwick sure to follow.

  69. Florida Steeler says:

    Cumpton has been fortunate this game and now his pitches resemble Randy Wolf’s.

  70. Reading says:

    Unfortunately, I don’t get any compensation for my predictions.

  71. Florida Steeler says:


  72. JRay3 says:

    Really dislike when staked a lead pitcher gives it right back. Need to put foot down and get offense back out there.

    Quickly momentum swings back to Cinci.

  73. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I don’t see Cumpton lasting long tonight.

    He’s been lucky to get out of some serious jams so far, the score could was lo be lopsided at this point.

    Luckily, it’s not. Not to take anything away, he’s made some really good pitches too.

  74. Flbucco says:

    Way better than the white guy who plays first – really tired of your bashing players of color

    Will respect you when you are critical of Davis – until then this is just bigoted bull shit

  75. JRay3 says:

    Cumpton not fooling anyone this half inning.

    Can’t wait to get Cole back in rotation.

  76. Thundercrack says:

    Still think that the Bucs will have a tough decision when Cole & Liriano come off the DL?

  77. Florida Steeler says:

    You are right–the kid is trying but he is AAA at best.

  78. Flbucco says:

    Trying to think of the last time the white first baseman came through with a hit that mattered – get some balance in your criticisms

  79. Florida Steeler says:

    What are you talking about?? Take your race card to another blog!!!

  80. Flbucco says:

    Hold Davis to the same standard you hold Pedro – that is all I am asking

  81. Jim S. says:

    So, Cutch still needs another hit tonight to keep his streak alive, right? I know he already extended the hitting streak to 12 games, but that was merely a formality at this point. It’s that streak of consecutive games with at least 2 hits I was referencing. Just kidding, of course. But, I think he’s at about 6 in a row. What a hitter.

  82. Wild Bill says:


  83. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was thinking the same thing, but couldn’t think of anything clever.

  84. Andrew says:

    Cumpton is okay when the ground balls find gloves and he isn’t walking batters, but if you cannot miss bats there will nights like this. I think he draws the short straw.

  85. Flbucco says:

    At least he put a bat on the ball – Davis gets walks – doesn’t drive in runs and has an OPS in the same range as jordy mercer and you guys give him a pass

  86. Jim S. says:

    Maybe his future ultimately is in the pen. His stats are much, much better the first time through the lineup. Maybe that makes him Jerod Hughes-ish?

  87. Jim S. says:

    Not that I’m saying he has no future as a starter. Just speculating. He needs another plus pitch.

  88. Patrick(ri) says:

    Cueto is still on the ragged edge. A little more pressure . . .

  89. Andrew says:

    Seems to have better command of his fastball than Hughes or Morris, but he needs a swing and miss pitch if he wants to start, his current slider won’t cut it.

  90. Wild Bill says:

    Even when Polanco fails, I like the look he gets on his face. He looks offended. He’s gonna be great.

  91. Bizrow says:

    He has options, others don’t


  92. Andrew says:

    As he strikeouts Votto a 2nd time.

  93. Bizrow says:

    Any update on Lucky?

  94. JRay3 says:

    Much needed bounce back inning for Cumpton.

    Back to the heart of the order for the Bucs. Keep place setting and eventually good things will happen.

  95. Patrick(ri) says:

    Don’t ya love the look on Votto’s face even better?

  96. Wild Bill says:

    A close second.

  97. Jim S. says:

    I’m with you on that, Wild Bill. There’s just something about that kid. He just seems really special. It is already fun watching him play. The future is bright for him.

  98. radio wave says:

    Pa can’t get it done.

  99. scott says:

    ugh…why is Pedro in the lineup? Time after time after time…he has to have left more people on base than anyone in the national league

  100. Maz in Iowa says:

    Pedro .208 W/risp

  101. Bizrow says:


  102. Patrick(ri) says:

    3 more outs and he will have one of these “quality” starts. Deservedly.

  103. The Gunner says:

    How about his latest throw??

  104. Flbucco says:

    And what is Ike

  105. Flbucco says:

    A good first baseman makes that play

  106. The Gunner says:

    Cumpton to Indy

  107. scott says:

    Its time for you to go away

  108. chethejet1 says:

    Pedro is looking average at best. Not sure why he isn’t turning on the ball but it seems he just can’t hammer the ball when he his it. Cumpton has decent stuff to be a end of rotation pitcher. He is not the problem. Cole, Morton, Vasquez, Locke, Vance until Francisco comes back. My guess however is Francisco just won’t be nearly the pitcher he was last year when he returns..

  109. cherokee23 says:

    Was thinking same thing.

  110. Thundercrack says:

    I can’t wait for Pedro’s post game explanation of what happened on that throw.

  111. Nate83 says:

    Hahaha. Yes Davis is so stupid for not grounding out weakly on a pitch out of the zone. What a fool :)

  112. DJ says:

    So you see the comment as a race issue then?

    Get a life.

  113. Maz in Iowa says:

    At least the Bucs nicked Cueto for a couple runs.Harrison nice start for the Bucs in the 6th

  114. Patrick(ri) says:

    I am having fun up here watching the Red Sox blessed with a JHay of their own. Brock Holt is the same kind of player, even better results in some ways.

  115. DJ says:

    Might need some balance in your comments.

  116. The Gunner says:

    I agree Davis should have caught it even though Pedro’s throw was subpar.

    DH is starting to look like Pedro’s best position.

  117. Jim S. says:

    Not watching. Out of town. But, it sounds as though Cumpton gutted out a couple of key scoreless innings at the end to keep them in it. He’s at 99. Assuming he gets PH for this inning.

  118. Maz in Iowa says:

    17 errors for Pedro

  119. chethejet1 says:

    The problem is Alvarez will heat up and look like he is back and contributing. But way to many stretches where he simply isn’t able to provide the kind of pop needed.

  120. JRay3 says:

    Gosh Mercer swings at a pitch in the other batters box and drastically changes complexion of inning.

  121. Thundercrack says:

    I agree with you. Someone will tell you that only his final stats are important.

  122. JRay3 says:

    Can’t get bunt down, swing at ball four, get thrown out at third on ball hit in hole to SS.

    Once again lack of execution and fundamental baseball dooms this team.

  123. Florida Steeler says:


  124. chethejet1 says:

    Hmmmmmm you run when that ball is just hit to your right and make an out at third. Little things mean a lot.

  125. JRay3 says:

    Won’t watch much worse a half inning of baseball all year than that display.

  126. chethejet1 says:

    WTF was that?

  127. Nate83 says:

    A really bad half inning of baseball. Circa 2010 pirates.

  128. Steelag70 says:

    It just continues to amaze me regarding the lack of fundamentals this team demonstrates continually this season…….

  129. The Gunner says:


    Pedro has one option left according to Pirates Prospects. If his hitting & throwing woes continue, this might be the move to make. He’s killing us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  130. Andrew says:

    The Pirates seem to have adopted this aggressive approach on the bases, and it is not really working, 3rd worst base running team in the NL.

  131. Jim S. says:

    One sure sign of a really good pitcher is getting the job done when you are struggling. Again, I’m not watching, but I have seen the pitch counts and hits allowed totals by Cueto. So, I’m going to assume he didn’t have his best stuff. Yet, there he is, having only given up 2 runs in 6 innings. 118 pitches thrown. Maybe that pitch total catches up with a guy who doesn’t possess a sturdy frame like Cueto later in the season. Maybe not. But, the guy knows how to pitch. We need to get to that bullpen in innings 7-8, I think.

  132. Steelag70 says:

    Can we hire Billy Hamilton to teach OUR hitters how to bunt???

  133. Breakthestreak says:

    Tabata running on his own or Hurdles call? Guy can’t run anymore so must have been Hurdles call. And another stupid call

  134. Maz in Iowa says:

    Ike is .243 and……… Ike is .571 with bases loaded.Pedro is .125 with bases loaded .

  135. Parrothead says:

    It’s a disease and the whole teams caught it. The Pirates have become the worst base running team in baseball.

  136. Steelag70 says:

    This freakin’ guy is unstoppable….

  137. radio wave says:

    Hamilton owns the bucs.

  138. JRay3 says:

    Hamilton beating Bucs singlehanded to tonight.

  139. Andrew says:

    I don’t think he get sent down, but he is killing this team. He has come to the plate with the most base runners on in the NL, 227 and is scoring them at a below average rate.

  140. Jim S. says:

    Same thing Sundy on the slow roller in front of Pedro in the 8th. Low throw, but Ike certainly could have made the stab.

  141. Andrew says:

    Pretty much.

  142. Steelag70 says:

    I feel a meltdown coming….

  143. Maz in Iowa says:

    Cueto has now thrown 118 pitches in 6 innings, his 2nd-highest pitch count of the season.

  144. Patrick(ri) says:

    If Wilson strike him out, Votto’s head will explode.

  145. Steelag70 says:

    Their guys know how to run the bases and ours don’t…

  146. Arriba Wilver says:

    How long has Davis been here again?

    I gotta support my buddy Florida Steeler against this. He’s an equal opportunity criticizer. He hates everybody. :-)

  147. Flbucco says:

    Ok – we agree, I want Pedro to do better – I love the power and wish the pirates had moved him to 1st base this spring – but if you go to Fangraphs you will see he is in the middle of the pack for third basemen on defense.

    BUT if you do your research you will find that Ike Davis is third from last in defense at 1st base – he ranks ahead of Gi Jones and Nick Swisher.

    A bit more research and you will learn that Walker is having an awful season defensively – as is the MVP from last year…

    RF before Jay Hay got the job was a defensive black hole

    I know I have annoyed a lot of folks tonight – but i just think that there was a ton of unfair comments on Marte when he was struggling and that we see a lot of Pedro bashing with very little negative comments on a first baseman/cleanup hitter who seems to have one skill – drawing walks…

  148. Steelag70 says:


  149. Breakthestreak says:

    When’s the last time we have ever heard of a pirate player watching film and studying pitchers moved? I’ve never heard one saying they study film

  150. chethejet1 says:

    Wilson is just not as good as his stuff. He should be a dominating pitcher with that stuff but he just throws to many pitches for balls.

  151. cherokee23 says:

    I would love to see “average at best” from pedro

  152. Steelag70 says:

    Now the BP has become an issue…

  153. Maz in Iowa says:

    Part of that is on Sofield/Hurdle

  154. Breakthestreak says:

    Time for Wilson the help at AAA for a month or so

  155. Patrick(ri) says:

    Agreed, but Votto is one of the best.

  156. JRay3 says:

    Bucs just finding ways to lose games past couple times out.

    Pirates 3-10 vs Milwaukee and enter tonight 2-5 vs Reds, hard to move up division when you can’t beat division foes.

  157. cherokee23 says:

    I think Davis has taken his share of criticism

  158. Flbucco says:

    12 errors if the 1st base solution was as good as advertised

  159. Steelag70 says:


  160. The Gunner says:


    Pedro needs a major wake up call. A trip to Indy means more opportunities to win for the Pirates. This just can’t continue. When Walker returns, this could be the move and a shocking one at that!!

  161. Baywatch says:

    Can we BANISH Wilson?

  162. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    Very unhappy with the Pirate performance tonight.
    Billy Hamilton is a total goof in my opinion, and they’ve fallen for his act hook, line and sinker.

  163. Flbucco says:


    I am not seeing much here?

  164. cherokee23 says:

    Any saber guys with anything to add to Walk’s comments about Hamilton

  165. Patrick(ri) says:

    Tough group tonight. Feels like the Roman Coliseum! Off with his head. Thumbs down for the Bull Pen!

  166. Arriba Wilver says:

    Get some balance, Maz. ;-)

  167. Jim S. says:

    Control was pretty much his problem in the minors. I believe that is what got him sent to the pen. He seemed to have overcome the wildness last year, but he has not been very good at all of late.

  168. The Gunner says:

    Did Gaby Sanchez die? He never starts – don’t you think it’s about time he gets a shot?

  169. Arriba Wilver says:

    Does Ike talk to the media?

  170. DJ says:

    Inefficient and all over the zone.

    Not exactly what you want in a relief pitcher.

  171. DJ says:

    All have quirks but hate the little ball tap of glove before delivery.

  172. Flbucco says:

    Thank you Gunner!

    I am not a Gaby fan – but he is much better defensively and I cannot imagine him being any worse than Davis offensively

  173. Steelag70 says:


  174. chethejet1 says:

    I was hoping Davis would provide some more offense but he simply isn’t happening. But nice attempt anyway.

  175. Arriba Wilver says:

    You must not have been around when Clint Barmes was the starting shortstop.

  176. Baywatch says:


  177. The Gunner says:

    Good teams seize opportunities. The Bucs seldom do.

    I hope they make me eat these words.

  178. chethejet1 says:

    Pirates are capable of scoring so who knows.

  179. Arriba Wilver says:

    Agreed. It’s not just a couple of guys.

  180. dennis g says:

    Clemente went hitless in game 8 but then hit in 6 more in a row. The bad news is that he hit .255 on the season. Maybe he was injured as he only played in 124 games and did not do well after the middle of June.

  181. Steelag70 says:

    They had better do it this inning before Chapman is in…

  182. Arriba Wilver says:

    I miss Randy Wolf. ;-)

  183. Patrick(ri) says:

    Ah, we shudda had Cueto tonight. But I miss Wolf, too.

  184. Arriba Wilver says:

    The good news is Fargo is on in 4 minutes.

  185. Steelag70 says:

    Ok Ike…this would be a great time for you to do something…

  186. The Gunner says:

    Well well Chet

    Here comes your boy Ike now with a mammoth opportunity!!!

  187. Arriba Wilver says:

    I agree. We let him off the hook.

  188. Steelag70 says:

    Very nice Ike….

  189. Patrick(ri) says:

    Why was Cutch still at first?

  190. The Gunner says:

    There you go, Chet – Ike came thru

  191. chethejet1 says:

    That is what I expect the number four hitter to do. Pure luck.

  192. Maz in Iowa says:

    Ike comes through

  193. Flbucco says:

    + 1

    For Ike!

    Give credit where it is due

  194. Bizrow says:

    Fat lady is on her seat, but not stretching yes

  195. Steelag70 says:


  196. The Gunner says:



  197. chethejet1 says:

    Never been impressed with Reds pitching and not sure they have any big time arms in the minors. Latos in a trade, and the rest except Cueto just seem to be average at best.

  198. Jim S. says:

    How about him tonight? Is my phone correct? 1-1 with 3 walks? He had a rough game on Sunday, but you can’t keep Russ down for long.

  199. Bizrow says:

    I missed a lot today, why was WarHorse getting dissed?

    IMO he was talking about us being civil with each other

  200. Flbucco says:

    Won’t see Chapman until the 9th

    Good news is turning the lineup over – should be looking at the heart of the order in the ninth even if things stop now

    Need the RP to hold the line…

  201. Bizrow says:

    Pedro is getting hit for

  202. The Gunner says:

    Uh oh, what a slap in the face for Pedro!

  203. Jim S. says:

    How great would that be???

  204. cherokee23 says:

    Ouch! Alvarez sat down for PH

  205. Steelag70 says:

    Those 4 plate appearances have involved 29 pitches…

  206. Steelag70 says:

    Pedro could have done that Gabby….

  207. The Gunner says:

    He earned it, Biz

  208. Steelag70 says:

    Wow….horrible swing….

  209. The Gunner says:

    Gaby couldn’t have hit that with a bed slat!

  210. dennis g says:

    He might have gotten removed right then and there if McCutchen had not taken the bat out of Harrison’s hands. Very poor decision by either Cutch or Leyva. A bad throw and he was still out by 3 feet.

  211. Steelag70 says:

    Maybe so…but they sure do pitch well against the Buccos…

  212. Patrick(ri) says:

    This pinch hit decision is a good one, if you are looking to send a message to Pedro.

  213. chethejet1 says:

    very interesting.

  214. Bill_StateCollege says:

    If Hurdle is going to put Gaby in that situation Clint has to give him playing time so he can get more than one or two at bats per week.

  215. The Gunner says:

    Remember Patrick, Pedro has one option left. A trip to Indy might give him a different perspective on things.

  216. cherokee23 says:

    I like decision. Took guts for hurdle. Wish it worked

  217. dennis g says:

    No one is giving Davis a pass but he was fairly competent there for a while with all of the walks and the grand slam, but he is taking some heat lately. There have been several calls for a full time Sanchez and if he misses any more of Pedro’s throws there will be one. The difference is we have had 5 years of Pedro and only a few months of Davis without nearly the expectations.

  218. Steelag70 says:


  219. Arriba Wilver says:

    IMO there was no “ugly undercurrent” going on, Biz. Could have gone that way, though, if Warhorse’s comment hadn’t been diffused by humor.

  220. chethejet1 says:

    Ok JHay at third when Walker comes back. Pedro is simply to talented to hit like this. Pirates have given him four years to develop and he simply needs a big wake up call.

  221. JRay3 says:

    JHAY are you kidding me? He deserves to be an all-star…wow!

    Now this is shades of 2013.

  222. Andrew says:

    Huntington Lumber Company.

  223. The Gunner says:

    Remember Chet, Pedro has one option left. A trip to Indy might give him a different perspective on things.

    Jay Hey can do the job!

  224. Steelag70 says:

    Would have been interesting though to have seen Polanco against Chapman in the ninth…

  225. Arriba Wilver says:

    Made up for his base running error.

  226. Patrick(ri) says:

    Now, if CH can resist double switching JHey out of this game . . .

  227. Bill_StateCollege says:

    Yep, JHay to third when Walker gets back.

  228. Jim S. says:

    JHay is hitting his butt off. And, being a Cincy kid, you know he loves to stick it to the Reds!

  229. Jim S. says:

    Did anybody catch an attendance for tonight’s game?

  230. Bizrow says:

    Ok, thanks AW, I did not see anything either

  231. Flbucco says:


    Which one of those would you not trade today for

    Giving up

  232. Steelag70 says:

    Most definitely!

  233. The Gunner says:

    Jay Hey is going to be getting a lot more time @ 3B.

    Now the bullpen MUST come thru!

  234. Bizrow says:

    We are eyeballing them

  235. chethejet1 says:

    Reds have some marginal RH relievers. Clint knows it is a long season but Pedro going through the motions is no longer acceptable. He seems to get in Clints doghouse from time to time.

  236. Jim S. says:


  237. Flbucco says:

    Can you option Davis? – c’mon folks be fair

    Is Pedro contributing more or less than Ike Davis?

  238. chethejet1 says:

    crowd was announced at 24K

  239. dennis g says:

    One reason for this is Hurdle’s insistence on forgoing the big inning to play for one run with a team that is totally and completely incompetent at bunting, Hurdle’s favorite strategy. Play for the tie if you must but at the very least teach a couple of those guys how to bunt. Start with Mercer and Marte. (I added Marte because I did not want Flbucco to think I was picking on the white guy.)

  240. dennis g says:

    No, but maybe we could steal Brett Butler away from Miami. Who would want to be down there when they can be in the City of Champions?

  241. Breakthestreak says:

    JHey for President (or third base)

  242. Steelag70 says:


  243. JRay3 says:

    I think they said 23,500 ish.

  244. The Gunner says:

    According to Pirates Prospects, Davis has 2 options left. Pedro is in Hurdle’s doghouse, he is the one to get time @ Indy. At least, Ike has a good OBP.

  245. pattonbb says:

    They’ve been the worst base running team for quite some time.

  246. Jim S. says:

    Just Melancon doing what Melancon does about 90% of the time.

    I hope we can take the lead in the bottom of the 8th, with Chapman looming.

  247. Wild Bill says:

    Thought I heard them say 23,000.

  248. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, Chet.

  249. Jim S. says:

    Thanks, JRay and Wild Bill.

  250. Patrick(ri) says:

    Hooray! CH cannot ask Cutch to bunt!

  251. Steelag70 says:


  252. Patrick(ri) says:

    Maybe he should have. Can you say “over swing?”

  253. chethejet1 says:

    I like Ike. Worked in 56

  254. Jim S. says:

    I’m in Seattle on business. Had an opportunity to take in the Padres-Mariners today. My first visit to Safeco. I was impressed. Nice ballpark. Nice atmosphere, although not a large crowd. Behind the Mariners bullpen and running for much of the outfield, they have a patio area that is a lot of fun. You can just leave your seat and go watch the game down there. I assume they also sell SRO tickets down there when they have a full house. The fans are close enough to literally talk to the guys in the pen.

    Beimel was talking with fans. Good to see Joe still pitching.

  255. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    A LHP will always have a job if he’s healthy

  256. Steelag70 says:

    Wow…that was horrible…

  257. Maz in Iowa says:


  258. Jim S. says:

    True dat.

  259. Reading says:

    Ike K. Davis.

  260. Arriba Wilver says:

    Grilli’s done.

  261. Steelag70 says:

    &&%$! Grilli

  262. Reading says:

    That was fantastic. A home run. Thanks.

  263. The Gunner says:

    Looks like the Grilli era is over in Pittsburgh

  264. JRay3 says:

    Was just going to say I think if rather Watson pitch to heart of Reds order.

    How many 9th inning bombs has Grilli surrendered this year?

  265. DJ says:

    Long time since Cutch struck out on 3 straight.

    Not sure he touched one of them.

  266. Flbucco says:

    Blame that on Pedro!

  267. Steelag70 says:

    Now we get to face Chapman in the ninth…thanks Grilli…

  268. chethejet1 says:

    Hitting is still the toughest think to do. But Grilli makes it look easy.

  269. T.S. says:

    Nice guy. Great year last year. But I think Jason Grilli has reached the end of his time as a closer. On a more positive note—great catch by Marte. That is all.

  270. Steelag70 says:

    We can’t catch a break this year…now the BP stinks…

  271. Florida Steeler says:


  272. Patrick(ri) says:

    Pitching from behind in the 9th is deadly against a good hitting team.. “Does’t matter . . .it’s just one run” says Walk — pretty
    Bold statement with Chapman lurking.

  273. Parrothead says:

    Grilling strikes again. I know this wasn’t a save situation, but Grilli has no business being the closer. It’s time to make change and make Watson or Melancin the closer.

  274. The Gunner says:

    Naaah…………..we complained enough about Pedro tonight. This is all on Grilli, again!!

  275. Chuck H says:

    Is that what a closer is supposed to do-give up a homer to his first batter. Wake up,Hurtle and put your real closer, Watson, in the game. Don’t you care if you win or lose?

  276. chethejet1 says:

    His fast ball is flatter than Twiggy, Velocity is OK but man it does nothing.

  277. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:



  278. Florida Steeler says:

    Why don’t you give it a rest?? You have made enough foolish statements tonight.

  279. Jim S. says:

    Melancon and Watson are both far better pitchers at this point than Grilli. But, the book says … oh, never mind.

  280. Patrick(ri) says:

    Get somebody on for JHay and there is hope.

  281. Maz in Iowa says:

    Why is Grilli imitating Morris?

  282. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Yea I’m sure that’s it.

    He wants to lose.

    It’s a conspiracy.

    In 4 years with the Pirates he has 2 career saves.

    In his minor league career he also has 2, while at Altoona.

  283. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Who has done an outstanding job in Miami.

    Small sample size though

  284. The Gunner says:

    oh yeah and you’re certainly the voice of reason

  285. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:


  286. Breakthestreak says:

    Grilli should be thrown IN the shark tank

  287. chethejet1 says:

    Cole, Wilson and Morris have shut the door stuff. The last two simply can’t control it enough.

  288. Steelag70 says:

    Ask and ye shall receive…

  289. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    That’s funny right there

  290. Steelag70 says:

    JHay….you da man!

  291. Maz in Iowa says:

    Bites that Duke Welker had Tommy John surgery a week ago.

  292. Florida Steeler says:

    Reason?? The guy goes on racist rants because we question Pedro’s ability?? Snider gets criticized, Barmes gets criticized, Mercer gets criticized and the guy accuses people of picking on players of color?? Give me a break.

  293. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I’ve been on JayHay all year.

    He comes to play, no doubt.

    Good story.

  294. Reading says:

    101 mph- line drive to left.

  295. Patrick(ri) says:

    At 101, Jodie, just get some wood on it.

  296. Jim S. says:

    I just noticed JHay made an out earlier tonight. He’s only hitting .800 for the game. He’s slipping. :-)

  297. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I always thought he was the future closer.

    He’s wild, but throws some serious heat

  298. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Too bad he can’t play SS

  299. Steelag70 says:

    If somehow Barmes can get on base….

  300. Patrick(ri) says:

    1mph too much for Jordie.

  301. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    So what are the odds of CB actually coming through here?

  302. Steelag70 says:


  303. The Gunner says:

    if only he had pulled that one a bit more!

  304. Andrew says:

    Another frustrating loss to add to the growing pile.

  305. Patrick(ri) says:

    He was part of the 2012 score, I believe it was a double. Almost!

  306. Jim S. says:

    Barmes smoked a big double against Chapman a couple of years ago. Just sayin’.

  307. Breakthestreak says:

    Barnes shot is 10 rows deep in Cinncy

  308. Steelag70 says:

    Another bad loss….

  309. Wild Bill says:

    One closer did his job (barely) and the other didn’t. Ball game.

  310. Steelag70 says:

    2-6 now against the Reds….

  311. The Gunner says:

    Pretty low – Grilli blows another one! That’s another change that needs to be made immediately.

  312. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Well, gamecast showed that one was deep to left.

    For an out.

    Good try at a comeback.

    Win the next 2

  313. chethejet1 says:

    Barmas warning track power. But at least he didn’t K. Pedro is the take away here.

  314. Maz in Iowa says:

    I cannot listen to Tooter the Turtle Hurdle say..”sometimes you just have to give a tip of the hat to blah blah blah”

  315. DJ says:

    That’s something he can tell his grandkids.

    Bad loss.

  316. Steelag70 says:

    Can’t keep missing opportunities to beat division foes and expect to get better…

  317. Jim S. says:

    Need to find a way to win the next 2 and get back to .500.

  318. Reading says:

    Well, it had a chance for a few seconds. Tough L.

  319. Steelag70 says:

    Enjoy the memories of last year folks….

  320. JRay3 says:

    Pirates just can’t seem to put it all together and another disappointing loss in a very winnable game sends them to 4th place in the NL Central.

  321. tomf says:

    Hurdle has his head stuck in the sand with Grilli – just as he does with Alvarez

  322. Arriba Wilver says:

    Gotta side with FS on this, Gunner. Fb’s been ridiculous tonight. He’ll probably call me a racist for disagreeing with him. We don’t need this BS here.

  323. Rock Ain't Dead says:

    Ok Ike & Pedro stink. Good enough? It’s expectation based, not bigotry.

  324. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:


    Because this season is over? 2 games under .500


  325. tomf says:

    Pirates will not get too many better opportunities to beat Cueto

    this certainly was not Cueto at his best – and they scored 2 runs against him ?

  326. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Perspective Jim, how dare you.

  327. Andrew says:

    Need better pitching, Reds offense is underwhelming. Need to keep Hamilton off the bases, he has like .300 OBP and got on 4 times tonight.

  328. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Grilli has 3 blown saves this year. Granted, not as good as he started last year, but it’s not enough to lose his job….. Yet.

  329. tomf says:

    Grilli was bad late last season – and now again this season

    way too few swings-and-misses

  330. Maz in Iowa says:

    Better demote Cutch/Polanco. *sigh*

  331. Steelag70 says:

    Can’t keep giving away wins, especially to division opponents and expect to get better…

  332. Arriba Wilver says:

    Is Teke ill? He’s been off for a while.

  333. Arriba Wilver says:

    Is tonight counted in those 3 blown saves? It wasn’t a save opportunity I don’t think. And he’s screwed up some other non-save opportunities.

  334. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    This game wasn’t a win. They didn’t blow a lead.

    It was a comeback win that fell short.

    So what, win the next 2 and you win the series.

    One game isn’t a bad loss. It sucks, sure, but bad, not really.

  335. Steelag70 says:

    Agreed AW…it’s been his whole body of work this season…..

  336. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I think I did count that, my bad you’re right.

    He gets the L

  337. Andrew says:

    I don’t necessarily care about the saves, but Grilli’s fastball command seems to have left him, on the year he has 10 BB to 17 K, last year it was 13/74 and 22/90 in 2012. You have to think about trying him in some lower leverage situations. Not that it would have mattered tonight, apparently Watson was unavailable.

  338. Arriba Wilver says:

    They were ahead 3-2 at one point. They blew that lead.

  339. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Many closers struggle in non save situations. It’s weird, but happens.

    And it’s still 3 blown with an 0-2 record.

    Has given up 3 HRs and 8.66K/9.

    Not terrible numbers

  340. dennis g says:

    Hurdle was asked if he considered using Watson in the ninth and said Watson was out because he threw 29 pitches on Sunday and needed a day off (which of course he had yesterday.) So, Hurdle said Watson was unavailable. Of course Grilli threw 27 pitches on Friday and was called on in a save situation the very next day. Hurdle’s relief pitching strategy does not work.

  341. Andrew says:

    How do you explain last year?

  342. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    One run lead doesn’t mean a win at hand, especially early on.

  343. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    Agree that the command isn’t there, but out of those numbers, how many of those walks were contributed before his DL stint?

    Seriously question

  344. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    And it was actually a 2-1 lead through 3.

  345. Arriba Wilver says:

    Truthfully, he didn’t say he needed “a day off,” and voluntarily acknowledged that he had a day off yesterday. He said he was unavailable because he had thrown 29 pitches last game.

  346. Arriba Wilver says:

    I just don’t like the look of things with him. Hope I’m wrong.

  347. Andrew says:

    Before the DL:, 4 BB/ 7 K, after 6 BB/ 10 K, remember he had the 3 walk outing against the Marlins.

    Relievers are volatile, we are talking about less than 80 batters faced. The idea that he is done is preposterous, and he seems to be getting a disproportionate share of the blame for tonight. Pirates had runners on 1st and 2nd and one out in the 8th and 9th.

    My suggestion is move him to lower leverage situations, to see if he can still get strikeouts, I would just rather see Melancon or Watson in a one run or tie game right now.

  348. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    I didn’t get to watch the game, so a visual would really change my perspective on him, still think it’s too early to make the switch.

    If I do switch out, I’m going with MM first. He’s proven he can get the job done.

  349. Stlrfanrc (Ryan) says:

    That’s still a huge demotion though.

    One really bad outing in Miami. Yea he gave up a HR tonight, but I’m not sure it’s worthy of a demotion.

  350. Chuck H says:

    Too many ridiculous statements from you kids. Grow up!!!

  351. Andrew says:

    I hate the defined role bullpen, I wish pitchers were used based on game situation not what inning it was, I would base it on leverage, with the order being Watson, Melancon, Grilli, Wilson. Guys get moved off the closer role all the time.

    However based on some of the other irrational reactions I am seeing concerning Grilli, I’ll admit my position might be an overreaction.

  352. dennis g says:

    I think you are mistaken. I think I heard him say he needed a day off. In any case Grilli came back and pitched on less than 24 hours rest on Saturday after throwing 27 but Watson cannot pitch on 48 hours rest after throwing 29. It seems inconsistent and like he is playing favorites for a guy who has not been getting the job done.

  353. dennis g says:

    You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine.

  354. The Gunner says:

    I didn’t say any of that, sir. Your accusation is out of line. I think an apology is in order.

  355. The Gunner says:


    I thought FS was directing all of those racist comments at me.

  356. Florida Steeler says:

    No, sorry–I was responding to previous comments, not yours.
    This blog should not be the medium for someone to start screaming race card when nothing could be further from the truth.

  357. The Gunner says:

    Ok, no problem – thanks! I do agree with you about the race comments, FS. Have a great day & let’s hope the Buccos do better tonight.

  358. Arriba Wilver says:

    And I obviously didn’t realize, Gunner, that was what you thought. I just wanted to make that point without bringing this discussion to the new thread. Hopefully it dies here.

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