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On location: Diamondbacks 10, Pirates 2

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (44-40) vs. Arizona Diamondbacks (35-51)

Time: 7:05 p.m.

Site: PNC Park

TV, Radio: Root Sports, KDKA-FM (93.7)

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page and our Bucco Blog. Rob Biertempfel, Travis Sawchik and I are on the scene for the Trib.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. NormL says:


  2. Tom P. says:

    Pirates Lineup

    RF: Gregory Polanco
    LF: Starling Marte
    CF: Andrew McCutchen
    2B: Neil Walker
    C: Russell Martin
    1B: Ike Davis
    3B: Pedro Alvarez
    SS: Jordy Mercer
    SP: Vance Worley

    Diamondbacks Lineup – TBA

  3. Lad 9 says:

    Lets go Bucs! Get the brooms out!

    Brandon McCarthy (R)

    1. Ender Inciarte (L) CF
    2. David Peralta (L) LF
    3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
    4. Miguel Montero (L) C
    5. Aaron Hill (R) 2B
    6. Nick Evans (R) 3B
    7. Roger Kieschnick (L) RF
    8. Didi Gregorius (L) SS
    9. Brandon McCarthy (R) P

    Vance Worley (R)

    1. Gregory Polanco (L) RF
    2. Starling Marte (R) LF
    3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF
    4. Neil Walker (S) 2B
    5. Russell Martin (R) C
    6. Ike Davis (L) 1B
    7. Pedro Alvarez (L) 3B
    8. Jordy Mercer (R) SS
    9. Vance Worley (R) P

    Gametime Forecast: 74°F • Partly Cloudy • 30% PoP

  4. Maz in Iowa says:

    Gregory Polanco RF
    Starling Marte LF
    Andrew McCutchen CF
    Neil Walker 2B
    Russell Martin C
    Ike Davis 1B
    Pedro Alvarez 3B
    Jordy Mercer SS
    (Vance Worley P)

  5. JoeBucco says:

    0-7 in sweep games this year? I think it happens tonight for sure. Bet the farm (if you’re into that sort of thing).

    When it’s all said and done, it’s an 8-2 Buccos win and a 5.5 game deficit from the Brewers going into yet another series against a last place team, the Phillies.

  6. Maz in Iowa says:

    I have a very strange hankering to use the word “albeit”.Not sure what that is about.I guess if you knew me better you could splain it to me.Sometimes you feel like a nut.Did I just say that out loud?

  7. Tom P. says:


    Where do you get your lineups? did not have AZ yet.

  8. Bizrow says:

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  9. Maz in Iowa says:

    Lad you are quick.

  10. Lad 9 says: Don’t be scooping me now… :)

  11. Lad 9 says:

    Thank you. Thats a good thing unless Mrs Lad says it…. :)

  12. Lad 9 says:

    Thanks Biz. Always love this.

    Still can’t bring in anyone from the Dakotas… Darn

  13. Maz in Iowa says:

    No mention of a Harrison challenged line up yet?

  14. Milo Hamilton says:

    Does it count if you watch Fargo ?

  15. Two days in a row he’s been out, right? Good problem to have.

  16. Baywatch says:

    No. 17 commenter, way down off the bench? What do I look like Lambo or something?

  17. Maz in Iowa says:

    He had a rehab start today……now that you mention him.

  18. Maz in Iowa says:

    The Pirates have gone 9-2 in their last 11 games while posting a 2.52 ERA (100.0ip/28er)…The starters
    have gone 7-2 with a 2.43 ERA (74.0ip/20er) in that time while the relief pitchers have gone 2-0 with a 2.77 ERA (

  19. Jeff says:

    Awesome! Hopefully we see a lot more of this in the second half of the season! Thanks for sharing!

  20. Andrew says:

    I saw via Twitter (so may want to wait for confirmation) that Liriano is schedule for a rehab start at AAA on Monday, 5 innings, 85 pitches.

  21. dennis g. says:

    As much as I think JHay should be playing, I will defer to the manager for the time being. He seems to be on a roll of some sort.

  22. dennis g. says:

    With all of the jobs opening up in that area I would be willing to bet there are a few Western Pennsylvanians wandering around.

  23. Maz in Iowa says:

    Bucco LHP Tony Watson has been charged with just one earned run since April 22…He has gone 3-0
    with a 0.31 ERA (29.1ip/3r/1er) in his last 29 appearances and his 0.61 ERA (59.0ip/4er) since August 6 of last season is the best mark among Major League relief pitchers.

  24. dennis g. says:

    Maybe you could send the rep from Montana or Nebraska to scout around.

  25. Bizrow says:

    Only if we get desperate ;-)

  26. Bizrow says:


  27. cberry88 says:

    You can add the Hill District for me

  28. dennis g. says:

    Alvarez is career 1 for 6 against McCarthy, Harrison has never faced him, but the other righties (except Martin) in the lineup have done well as has Ike.

  29. Bizrow says:

    McCarthy is someone the PBC has been rumored to be interested in, correct?

  30. Bizrow says:

    Welcome cberry88

    Now at 492

  31. Bizrow says:

    Maybe we could send JHay while he’s out of the lineup ;-)

  32. Bizrow says:


  33. LonelyLibertarian says:

    Her is the WAR by category – by month

    Hit Start Relievers
    April 0.7 0.0 0.2
    May 4.2 0.4 -0.6
    June 4.9 2.7 0.9

    As DK pointed out the “surge” back into contention started BEFORE Polanco was brought up – a change made in May got the offense started…

    Below are the WARs for two Pirate batters by month – anyone want to try and put names on them
    P-1 P-2
    April 0.9 0.0
    May 0.7 0.7
    June 1.6 1.0
    July 0.0 -0.1

  34. Andrew says:

    I believe so, he would be a rental. His ERA is high because of a high BABIP and he has give up quite a few homeruns. The thinking being those numbers aren’t sustainable and his BB and K numbers are good.

  35. Andrew says:

    McCutchen and Harrison. NMR has pointed this out before I believe, if Polanco came up in May, Harrison doesn’t play nearly as much.

  36. LonelyLibertarian says:

    Giving up anything for a McCarthy [or a similar arm] has to be considered in the context of the Bucs very likely having “better” options at Indy in Cumpton [now] and Kingham [September]

    My preference would be to try go for closer – but only after we have another 3 weeks of triple D to see if he might be the real deal…

  37. LonelyLibertarian says:

    Apologies to NMR for missing it…

    Thought they might take a shot at playing Josh tonight at SS…

    But Jordy has been playing well…

    The way this is setting up is that earlier in the Bucs seemed vulnerable to Lefties – now teams will be trying to go Righty because it will keep Jay-Hay on the bench – weird….

  38. Reading says:

    No-hitter out of the way.

  39. Andrew says:

    I think it is unlikely Kingham see the majors as starter this year, I like Cumpton but he needs a swing and miss pitch, but agree that the need for a starter isn’t glaring, a lot will depend on how Worley and Volquez continue to perform.

    I’m not a huge fan of giving up anything for bullpen help, Pirates once trade 20 innings of Octavio Dotel for James MacDonald and Andrew Lambo. They could use another RHP who can get strikeouts, could be Frieri.

  40. Reading says:

    Dude is starting to get hit hard. Hopefully, not an omen.

  41. twentytwo22 says:

    That was a Frieri scoreless inning.

  42. LonelyLibertarian says:

    Sigh :-(

  43. Reading says:

    Wrigley Field Game 6.

  44. Reading says:

    About time somebody hustled out of the box on a basehit.

  45. twentytwo22 says:

    How many times has Polanco hit a groundout to score a runner from third?

  46. twentytwo22 says:

    The blog is fussing with the dolorean again.

  47. Reading says:

    He puts the ball in play.

  48. Reading says:

    Starting to get interesting.

  49. Reading says:

    Clint must have jacked somebody up. Guys are flying out of the box. Yesterday was ridiculous.

  50. Thundercrack says:

    Terrible throw from the outfielder on Walker’s double.

  51. Tom P. says:

    Your secret is safe with me.

  52. scott says:

    I can’t take it anymore…please put Harrison and third and call it a day….there I said it. Pedro is supposed to be a power hitter? Now he’s not only whiffing like usual with RISP but he’s added a weak opposite field dribbler to his repertoire.

  53. chethejet1 says:

    Pedro weak grounder to third base. If you can’t get around on this guy….. good lord. Last night he took pitches at the knees and swung over them. then on very high fast balls he swung under them. time to play JHay and let Pedro work on his game.

  54. scott says:

    see above, ha ha

  55. Tom P. says:

    Polanco is doing what others could not. Remember how many times the Pirates couldn’t buy a sac fly.

  56. Wild Bill says:

    Claude Giroux apologized for “a misguided attempt at humor”. I thought it was plenty humorous.

  57. Thundercrack says:

    Pedro just showed some emotion.

    He hugged Walker

  58. scott says:

    ya know, it was actually nice to see him smile, lol

  59. Tom P. says:

    Worley’s pitch count is at 52 through 5 innings. That gets him through 9 in just over 90. 12 outs to go.

  60. Thundercrack says:

    Sometimes Polanco looks like a guy who just started playing baseball a month ago.

  61. Reading says:

    The World Wonders.

  62. Cmat0829 says:

    Hi all. Good to see the Bucs play better on sweep day….. But joe torre needs to intervene on replay. 45 seconds maximum on a review please. Ridiculous the way it is now. Ridiculous.

  63. scott says:

    So replay is pretty awesome, right?

  64. scott says:

    Not only ridiculous on the preposterous…what?…five minutes…but then to call him out?

  65. Cmat0829 says:

    No. You can’t be serious? The guy who was being punished and hid in an Indianapolis prison for way too long?

  66. Cmat0829 says:

    Just end it. If this is the best they can do. They have turned this over to redbull swilling nerds in the fan cave.

  67. RB says:

    Replay will never be fast enough until they have a replay official in each and every ballpark. This nickel and diming by having the officials in New York is flat out stupid.

  68. Reading says:

    No longer interesting.

  69. TJA says:

    Does the NFL have a time limit for reviews?

  70. Reading says:

    The Broom Jinx strikes again.

  71. Tom P. says:

    That got away from Worley in a hurry.

  72. Cmat0829 says:

    Time for the offense to wake up. The hitters have been a bit quiet this whole series, really….. Sweep the snakes!!!!

  73. TJA says:

    Time for J-Hay to get in the game? Need the spark plug…

  74. Andrew says:

    I was just about to say, despite the line, Worely hasn’t been great tonight, fastball command lacking, and benefited from a couple liners right at guys.

  75. Cmat0829 says:

    Yep. He battled tho. Want that pitch back to peralta. Bucs should have more than 2 runs on this pitching…..let’s score some runs!!

  76. Andrew says:

    8 hits tonight, and 12 last night, but yeah not many runs.

  77. Reading says:

    McCarthy’s a belly itcher.

  78. scott says:

    Kinda reminds me of last season, I sit there at the end of the game and think to myself “how did we win that game?”

  79. Reading says:

    Need one of those weak flair home runs.

  80. Reading says:

    What, Fogg, Benson, or Wells aren’t available?

  81. chethejet1 says:

    Davis and Walker give them pretty much nothing except an occasional walk or ball hit OK. Bucs just can’t hit the long ball to win easy. Cards are really struggling big time with lack of HR’s.

  82. Pucknutz says:

    That replay just was absolutely, positively and completely a major league fail.
    I don’ really give a rats a$$ which way the call went, but 4 min to figure out a bang-bang play ?
    The ump “was” in position, saw a high tag —safe.
    Any decision to over turn that call or not should have been made even before the umps got the headset on.

  83. Andrew says:

    Haha, I was just trying to see if I could remember the rotation from those years, I forgot Vogelsong.

  84. Pucknutz says:

    RB, agree w/ya see my postbelow.
    But… NHL seems to do it much better from a central location…

  85. Flbucco says:

    I have sat and watched some of the most idiotic comments one could imagine tonight…

    So what say you folks now that you get to your wish…

    Hurdle takes another shot at his best power hitter and pinch hits for him in the 6th inning…

    Your hero the great Jay-Hay grounds limply to short…

    Someday DK should do a column on all the players that fans have run out of town or tried to run out of town…

    And the list would include Clemente – their was a “reputable” newspaper columnist in town in the late 50s who made his hatred for Clemente pretty obvious.

  86. KING says:

    Take a little nap…Pirates losing 3-2. Worley lost the no hitter & everything. What a shame :( I saw Clint removed Pedro when Gibson brought in the lefthander. J-Hay pinch hitting for Pedro & playing 3rd.

    I guess Pirates didnt deserve to win first game versus D’Backs. If they lose this one, it might be baseball karma.

    Bucs still have 9 outs to scratch out a run. This should be an exciting finish. KING

  87. scott says:

    you mean like your brilliant comments about Ike not getting heat because he’s white? I think you’ve got the market cornered on dumb comments

  88. cberry88 says:

    “And the list would include Clemente – their was a “reputable” newspaper columnist in town in the late 50s who made his hatred for Clemente pretty obvious.”

    It should be “There” not “Their”…..sheesh.

  89. Andrew says:

    Bucco we get it you like Alvarez, other posters showing some frustration that he is a limited hitter doesn’t make them idiotic.

    Alvarez has never shown any ability to hit LHP, it is a questionable situation for him to be removed, runner on first and two outs there isn’t really a high probability of a run being scored, but the process is defensible.

  90. Wild Bill says:

    Pirates’ plate discipline must improve from here.

  91. Arriba Wilver says:


  92. Flbucco says:

    When did I say Ike did not get heat because he is white…

    I do think he has been getting a pass because he is “new”…

    I do think Pittsburgher’s try not to make snap judgements and give new players time..

    But I am certain that if Ike is performing at the same level at this time next year he will be feeling the heat.

    I have at times tried to defend Pedro and earlier in the year Marte…

    But that does not mean they both don’t disappoint and frustrate me…

    But I do find some of the themes more than silly…

    “Bench Pedro an play J-Hey everyday at 3rd”
    “Time to send Marte to Indy and send him a message” – showed up here and elsewhere earlier this year…

    This team is a playoff contender with Pedro and Marte in the lineup every day and playing well…

    Jerking Pedro around and sending him “messages” May make Hurdle feel good – but I would rather he do his job and work to make both of them better.

  93. twentytwo22 says:

    1 to tie 2 to win

  94. Arriba Wilver says:

    I didn’t even see anything particularly critical of Pedro tonight.

  95. Patrick(ri) says:

    Late to the game (7th). Guys look flat, again. There is probably a psychology factor,with the sweepee not wishing to be humiliated, and the sweeper already satiated. I would think professionals could overcome this?

  96. Arriba Wilver says:

    First time you brought it up you did. And it was you, not your other identity. Need to keep this straight. But if I were you, I’d backtrack too.

  97. Flbucco says:

    I actually could have lived with this move in the 8th or 9th…
    Just think taking one of your best power options off of the table this early to send a message is bad managing…

    And let me be clear – Pedro frustrates, disappoints and annoys me a lot…

    But this team can win and go deep in the playoffs with Pedro if he can get back on track – not sure they can with J-Hay as the everyday 3rd baseman.

  98. Flbucco says:

    Autocorrect does this at times – but even if I did it – what is the big deal?

  99. Arriba Wilver says:

    Time to take Grilli out.

  100. twentytwo22 says:

    I wouldn’t use Grilli down 1 and I wouldn’t use Frieri.

  101. Florida Steeler says:

    This guy may be worse than Grilli!!!!

  102. Patrick(ri) says:

    Looks like It’s “dives” tonight.

  103. cberry88 says:

    Nothing, just idiotic to put in a comment.

  104. Bill_StateCollege says:

    In this instance I agree. A bit early to sit Pedro.

  105. Wild Bill says:

    Looks like everything Frieri throws is about the same speed.

  106. Bill_StateCollege says:

    Did JHay actually tag that runner?

  107. Arriba Wilver says:

    Frankly, on the replay it didn’t look like JHay tagged the guy, but maybe he was called out for running out of the baseline.

  108. TJA says:

    Uncle Ray’s new project has arrived…front and center.

  109. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was joking that there didn’t seem to be much difference so far. ;-)

  110. Bill_StateCollege says:

    Polanco’s throw might have been the first strike thrown this inning.

  111. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wow, got to see Polanco’s arm.

  112. Maz in Iowa says:

    So much for Frieri.

  113. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was wondering if no one else was available. Seemed a curious move.

  114. Florida Steeler says:

    Our MVP has NO ARM whatsoever.

  115. Flbucco says:

    Well I am in my late 60s and obviously senile…

    My recollection of the earlier stuff is that I thought Marte was getting treated harshly because he was
    1. Latin American
    2. English was not his first language
    3. He did not “hustle” to the extent some thought he should…

    I did wonder why there seemed to be little concern over the productivity from Mr. Davis – but that had nothing to do with his race in my mind.

    If I am wrong in my recollection I apologize – I will continue to ask folks to try and see things with fairness and perspective. Baseball is a game where failure happens more often than success. Pedro strikes out a lot – so does Davis – so does Cutch (though not as much). Everyone hits a roller to short with men on that turns into a rally ending double play….

    I became interested in Sabremetrics because I thought it helped balance the emotion with facts and data…

    Pedro had a very nice June and my approach tonight would have been to leave him in given how early in the game it was and challenge him to build on that nice June.

  116. TJA says:

    Such a shame the bottom fell out…..Worley pitched a gem….

  117. Bill_StateCollege says:

    Agree, especially when they were only a run behind and trying to sweep and gain ground. Odd time to see what Frieri’s got.

  118. Andrew says:

    Well that escalated quickly.

  119. Cmat0829 says:

    No other comment except s**t happens….better luck tomorrow. And cutch plays too deep. He just does. No way high fly balls should be dropping in. No way you play deep with bases loaded one out and down 5-2. Period. The end. Have a good night. Beat the Phlls tomorrow.

  120. Flbucco says:

    No it wasn’t if you were there at the time…

  121. Thundercrack says:

    Uhhh…remember what I said earlier about Polanco

  122. twentytwo22 says:

    They shouldn’t be called out for failing to sweep, they should be called out for their pitiful attempts at it. These are 8 of the most brutal losses of the year.

    They won 94 games last year because of
    8 sweeps
    7 3 out of 4s
    1 4 out of 5

    Shame on them. They are capable of more.

  123. Flbucco says:

    See chetthejet above – among others

  124. Arriba Wilver says:

    You specifically accused Florida Steeler of being a “bigot,” your word, for complaining about Pedro and not complaining about Ike Davis. Not sure how else one can take that.

  125. Florida Steeler says:

    Are we really sure they are capable of more?? Looking like a third place team in the division.

  126. TJA says:

    Need to bounce back tomorrow vs. cross state foe! Bucs/Phillies….loved those old battles in the 1970’s….

    Night All…enjoy your holiday!

  127. Patrick(ri) says:

    No excuses, but it looks like he should have been resting his foot tonight (especially the way he has looked in Center).

  128. tomf says:

    it can be an adventure out there when a deep ball is hit to Polanco in RF

  129. War_Horse says:

    For younger fans who never got to see Roberto Clemente throw to the plate, Polanco throws just like he did.

  130. Bizrow says:


  131. tomf says:

    his throws have been poor for years

    aparently he does not spend enough time on this

  132. Flbucco says:


    Later in the game – or with 1 or nobody out I would feel different…

    If this is how the Pirates see and value Pedro then it is time to trade him – put Harrison at 3rd and move on…

  133. Reading says:

    War Horse, no disrespect, but Clemente’s arm was far superior.

  134. cberry88 says:

    Since my comments are going over your head; I’m being sarcastic because you were being rude by saying all the “idiotic comments” you read tonight.

    If you want to disagree with people that it absolutely fine by me. It is when you call people names or insult people that I get upset. The immaturity you have shown has been astounding. This blog is full of people with varying opinions. That’s what I love about it. When people debate back-and-forth I gain an appreciation of both sides of the argument.

    You troll, plain and simple. It’s your way or the highway. You add nothing to the conversation.

    Flbucco, you seem knowledgeable and invested into this team. So will you please respect the other people in this forum and have a reasonable dialogue with everyone. No need to agree with us but just show some f**king respect.

  135. chethejet1 says:

    Pedro is not having the kind of year most expected. What most want is a little more discipline gained through experience. He simply seems lost at the plate. He bats sixth and that is a concern for those who think he is well on his way to big money. He may well be, But he has until the end of 2016 to fulfill the promise of the number two draft pick. For me, I strongly look at shopping him after this year. If I can make a trade that brings back a top left handed pitcher or a power hitter at First, that has to be considered.

  136. Florida Steeler says:

    NO comparison.

  137. cberry88 says:

    As a young gun, I would have given two toes (maybe not the big or pinky ones though) to see Roberto at Forbes Field.

  138. twentytwo22 says:

    I guess the Pirates have to re-learn this
    Sweeps extend hot streaks.
    Sweeps help sustain you through cold streaks.
    Simply winning series isn’t enough because 2-1 can be easily undone by a losing streak.
    3-0 is much harder to undo.
    Good teams use the cushion they build up to maintain their confidence.

  139. KING says:

    What a horrible 9th for Pirates!!! Looked like the John Russell Pirates. Guys missing balls in the field & throwing it around the diamond. Frieri didnt pitch well but deserved better with fielders.

    Well,nobody can blame Grilli this time. 7 runs in the 9th. Inexcusable.This 9th inning continues to be a Bermuda Triangle. Dont know the answer. At least, J-Hay blooped a hit. Will be 5-2 homestand so far but no celebration. We wont sweep Phillies. 7-3 best we can do. KING

  140. chethejet1 says:

    correct, Clemente had the best arm I have ever seen. No one close on the throw to third. On occasion he would air mail it on throws to third, but no one and I mean no one could get it there like him. Not Jackson, Parker or Callison.

  141. Arriba Wilver says:

    He looked like he got a bad jump on that ball.

  142. Arriba Wilver says:

    Same to you, TJA.

  143. Arriba Wilver says:

    Polanco’s throw reminded me of Parker.

    I do remember, fondly, Clemente throwing some throws from right into the seats behind 3B on a fly, but even THAT was impressive. ;-)

    Not ready to put Polanco in that category.

  144. tomf says:

    he misjudged the ball – and it carried

    fairly common – for an inexperienced player playing on a large field (MLB size field)

    but not as common for a MLB player – and even less so when playing on a field with dimensions like PNC Park RF

  145. Bill_StateCollege says:

    I saw Clemente and his arm remains the standard. Dave Parker’s was next. Give Polanco some time. Even Clemente didn’t do it all his first couple years. Polanco is still growing and getting stronger. But it’s no crime if his arm never matches Clemente’s.

  146. Breakthestreak says:

    Bucs now negative 12 in run differential this year. Not a good sign. Of course, April was a lousy month for us. But -12 on July 4th is scary for a hope to be playoff team

  147. Flbucco says:

    Well on reflection I am not sure I was wrong…

    How would you describe someone who is critical of a player of color and is not critical of a white player who is doing no better – arguably worse…

    May bigot was a bit strong – but I had just witnessed a bunch of crap from posters suggesting Marte needed to be “taught a lesson”.

    Both Pedro and Marte have done a very nice job and pulled their weight over the past month – has Ike Davis been any better than Gi jones would have been?

  148. Bill_StateCollege says:

    Having said that, Polanco’s arm is just fine.

  149. Andrew says:

    I too only know Clemente through the limited video available, others who saw him can attest if this is a good representation but absurd throw at the 11 second mark.

  150. Flbucco says:

    With all due respect Chet…

    Please look at Pedro’s splits for June – he had a very nice month and it should have been seen as something to build on…

    He was asked to use all fields and strike out less and walk more and I think he has done so if you look at his stats.

    I personally would have preferred him to focus on hitting the crap out of the ball and destroying the Clemente wall..

    Would love to see him headed for 40+ HRs and 100 RBI even if he had a .230 BA…

    But that is not what he was tasked with..

    A good second half would still get him close to 30 HRs and 90 RBI – second to Cutch…

    So if you want to move him at the trade deadline – or over the off season how do you propose to replace that productivity

  151. Arriba Wilver says:

    Absolutely. The story’s just starting with him. As Clint says, let’s watch him play. ;-)

  152. Arriba Wilver says:

    I was talking about Cutch’s play.

  153. Arriba Wilver says:

    Obviously just an opinion, but I think the no-hitter messed with Worley. Nice outing, though.

  154. Flbucco says:

    Thanks Andrew,

    I searched for it on Google/You Tube but my favorite memory of Roberto was a game against the NY giants in the late 50s – I was 11 or 12 I think…

    Wilkie Mays was on first – soft liner to the corner in right and Mays decided to try and take third – Clemente threw a strike that I swear was no more than 4 feet off of the ground to third and Mays was out by at least twenty feet.

    Nobody on the Pirates today has an arm even close…

    From what I have seen to this point Marte has the best arm – Polanco #2 – but could develop he is still learning

  155. dennis g. says:

    You don’t have to be shy. Name names, the guy is dead.

    The fact is JHay has proven over and over he is not a great pinch hitter. If you need a SH, he may get it for you but he is in his fourth year here and had 12 pinch hits. Play him at the start or play him as a defensive replacement or play him out of desperation, but the best results occur when he starts.

  156. Andrew says:

    Also found this, Clemente has the most assist from right ever, and the most assist of any outfielder ever if you cut out the dead ball era.

  157. JoeBucco says:

    Glad I’m not a gambler. Ugh…

  158. dennis g. says:

    Are you the grammar police? We’ll definitely have to start parsing your statements with a little more care cberry88.

  159. Chuck H says:

    Right on.. he usually strikes out, except when you have a potential rally going..then he typically hit into a DP to squelch the rally.. get rid of Pedro.. he’ll never be a ML hitter, and there are plenty of infielders who can play 3rd base better. He is a Pirate liability in the field and at bat.

  160. dennis g. says:

    Have you made the same request of nmr and cmat? I have seen many similar comments from both.

  161. Arriba Wilver says:

    Man, you are all over the place. First you didn’t say it, then you didn’t mean it, now you were right in saying it. . .

    No wonder you need two screen names.

  162. dennis g. says:

    Sorry meant SF.

  163. dennis g. says:

    Agree. I seem to have made a mistake deferring to Hurdle’s judgment earlier in the day. Same old Clint.

  164. dennis g. says:

    He looked like he should have been sitting. Harrison could have played left.

  165. dennis g. says:

    At least he did it once from the middle of the outfield. He does look promising though.

  166. Bizrow says:

    8-2 or 7-3 homestand is still within our grasp.

    IMO Worley did nothing to change my opinion of him

  167. Arriba Wilver says:


  168. Chuck H says:

    I’ll say it again..get rid of Pedro anyway you can. He has stopped rallies too many times. A major league hitter, he is not and never will be.

  169. dennis g. says:

    Pedro played in 26 games in June and had RBI’s in 6 of them. In 20 of 26 games he did not have an RBI. He is not a player you can currently count on to contribute. He should be working his problems out at Indy. Unless he really wants to be traded and if so I would accommodate him.

  170. Hopefully, the Phillies don’t knock the Bucs’ blocks off like the Diamondbacks just did in the 9th tonight. Ah well, the Pirates are in 3rd place right now and the Reds are in 4th since they also lost today.

  171. Andrew says:

    Some of those words should have been plural.

  172. Bizrow says:

    Isn’t it great to go to bed, even though our club lost, and still believe ;-)

  173. Bizrow says:

    Thanks to

    Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

    Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died.

    Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.

    Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured.

    Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War.

    They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

    What kind of men were they?

    Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.

    Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well-educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

    Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

    Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

    Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

    At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson,Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.

    Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

    John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished.

    So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It’s not much to ask for the price they paid.

    Remember: freedom is never free! We thank these early patriots, as well as those patriots now fighting to KEEP our freedom!

    I hope you will show your support by sending this to as many people as you can, please. It’s time we get the word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has more MEANING to it than beer, fireworks, HOT DOGS, and picnics……

    I got tired of waiting for Dejan to post the 4th of July post, I did e-mail him with a request.

    Only thing I can say is we all owe these folks big time and maybe in our own little humble ways we can figure out to pass our gratitude on ;-)

  174. hockeymonster says:


  175. Florida Steeler says:

    Check that out on Snopes for accuracy.

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