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Final: Cardinals 2, Pirates 0

By Dejan Kovacevic | Trib Total Media

Looking ahead to first pitch …

Game: Pirates (47-41) vs. St. Louis Cardinals (47-42)

Time: 8:15 p.m.

Site: Busch Stadium, St. Louis

TV, Radio: Root Sports, KDKA-FM (93.7)

Here’s the official live box score.

Here’s TribLIVE’s Pirates page and our Bucco Blog. Rob Biertempfel is on the scene for the Trib.

Author: Dejan Kovacevic

Dejan Kovacevic, a lifelong Pittsburgher, is an award-winning sports columnist for Trib Total Media covering the Steelers, Penguins, Pirates, Pitt and, recently, his fourth Olympics in Sochi, Russia. He also appears on WPXI-TV's 'Subway Final Word’ and hosts a weekly show on TribLIVE Radio. For 2011, he was named one of the country's top four columnists by the AP Sports Editors. For 2012, he was named one of the country's top three columnists by the National Headliners. For 2013, he was named the state's top columnist by the Keystone Press Awards and top columnist in Western Pennsylvania by the Golden Quills.


  1. Stuart says:

    First! Seldom do I get to say that.

    My advice for “good” Charlie…work fast, change speeds, throw strikes, and DON’T NIBBLE!

    Go Bucs!


  2. Lad 9 says:

    Big series for both squads. Lets go Buccos!

    Charlie Morton (R)

    1. Josh Harrison (R) RF
    2. Starling Marte (R) LF
    3. Andrew McCutchen (R) CF
    4. Neil Walker (S) 2B
    5. Russell Martin (R) C
    6. Ike Davis (L) 1B
    7. Pedro Alvarez (L) 3B
    8. Jordy Mercer (R) SS
    9. Charlie Morton (R) P

    Adam Wainwright (R)

    1. Matt Carpenter (L) 3B
    2. Matt Holliday (R) LF
    3. Matt Adams (L) 1B
    4. Allen Craig (R) RF
    5. Yadier Molina (R) C
    6. Jhonny Peralta (R) SS
    7. Jon Jay (L) CF
    8. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
    9. Adam Wainwright (R) P

    Gametime Forecast: 88°F • Light Rain • 51% PoP

  3. cherokee23 says:

    The josh Harrison merry go round has officially begun. Looks like he’s gonna spell a different guy each night now that all are healthy

  4. LonelyLibertarian says:

    If they could just add 1st base to the rotation ;-)

  5. cherokee23 says:

    I know they seem committed to Davis as a longer term solution, but I think the blog had mentioned Walker as a possibility. I don’t hate that idea!

  6. Cmat0829 says:

    Greetings from NYC tonight. Game 1 on paper is tough with wainwright going ….can we steal one??? Let’s go Bucs! Btw is Martinez the plan for the duration of Barmes injury or????

  7. Thundercrack says:

    DK, just heard you on with Madden. I agree with you 100% regarding Pedro.

  8. cherokee23 says:

    Can you summarize, or link?

  9. What did the rascal say about him?

  10. LonelyLibertarian says:

    Perspective Post

    I loved the Cutch article this morning – and loved watching him play in person yesterday…

    But I do think the answer to DK’s question is not a simple one…

    Here are the WAR totals to date for this year…

    1. Trout – 5.5
    2. Tulo – 4.8
    3. Gordon – 4.4
    4. Stanton – 4.1
    5. Lucroy – 4.0
    6. Cutch – 3.9

    WAR is sensitive to defense – and Cutch gets dinged for his this year – Alex Gordon on the other hand gets a big boost of his great defense – Stanton is pretty neutral – no gain or no pain.

    Lucroy is having a great year – did not have bad years in 2012 and 2013 – but will probably have at least a 50% bump in WAR this year – he has taken over for Molina as the #1 catcher in the NL central.

    If we look at the total for the last 2 and a half years – include all of 2012 and 2013 the top three WAR totals are…

    1. Trout – 25.9
    2. Cutch – 18.8 [over the 2.5 year time frame Cutch has a small negative defense penalty – not nearly as bad as this year]
    3. Cabrerra – 17.5 [would have been second if it weren’t for a pretty big defense negative.]

    So yes, you can make a case for Cutch – he certainly is the best in NL since 2012 – but Trout is on an awesome run – Barry Bonds like…

  11. Thundercrack says:

    He basically said that people have to stop blaming other people for Pedro’s struggles. It is on Pedro. He’s had enough major league at bats now. At this point it shouldn’t matter where he hits in the lineup—he has to produce. And of course he reference recently written columns in the Trib

  12. I have to agree with that, too.

  13. cherokee23 says:

    That’s how I thought he felt. I agree.

  14. Maz in Iowa says:

    Trout is way better on defense than Bonds.Also a great guy in the clubhouse.He could be near 100 HRs by the end of the year.He’s years ahead of Bonds……also very coachable.Nothing like Bonds.

  15. LonelyLibertarian says:

    Just apply the same standard to Davis and Sanchez and I have no problem…

    They have each had a lot of major league experience too – and are getting well paid.

    And BTW the both are having very bad years defensively too…

    I am getting worn down by this – just trade him and let him hit his 30+ HRs every year for the next ten for someone else.

  16. Thundercrack says:

    Right Lonely. But the discussion was about Pedro.

    Madden tried to bring JHay into the argument and DK correctly said that it didn’t have anything to do with Pedro.

    If Pedro is producing JHay plays the outfield and second.

  17. Maz in Iowa says:

    Last week Andrew McCutchen went 11-for-24 (.458) with two doubles, two triples, a home run, six RBI
    and four runs scored along with a .500 on-base percentage and .833 slugging percentage. In 49 games since his average was at .161 on May 7,Jordy Mercer is hitting .294 (52-for-177) with six home
    runs and 23 RBI, including a career-high four RBI Friday vs. Philadelphia…Jordy has gone 10-for-17 (.588) with four walks in his first six games this month.

  18. Arriba Wilver says:

    I’ve been wondering why Madden hasn’t been on the Final Word lately. Be interesting to see if he’s on in DK’s absence. I’ve thought he’s been a good addition, but he does tend to wear his welcome out with the suits.

    I agree with DK, too, TC, about Pedro. It’s not really a fair fight with Mark, though, because he really doesn’t care. ;-)

  19. Baywatch says:

    Is this the night Wainright begins his decline?

  20. Maz in Iowa says:


  21. Patrick(ri) says:

    Looks like the night he gets wet. Dicey weather.

  22. LonelyLibertarian says:

    Was not talking about anything other than the WAR totals – Bonds had a couple of very nice WAR runs..

    1990-1993 – pre roids – at that time he was a decent left fielder – 37.8 total for 4 years…
    2001-2004 – defense had fallen to average and he did not run much 46.6 for 4 years.

    And yes the “other” stuff was/is important – not sure how much coaching either of them needs though…

  23. Patrick(ri) says:

    Rechecked, weather looks much better for tonight!

  24. LonelyLibertarian says:

    So I am listening to the always astute Mr. Neveritt on Saturday and almost fall out of my chair…

    “Hurdle is frustrated because he wants Pedro to be a home run hitter.”

    Was I dreaming or did I hear that the Pirates wanted Pedro to cut down on strikeouts and use the entire field – which he arguably has done…

    I would prefer that he try and put every pitch in the river – even if he strike out more…

  25. JRay3 says:

    Well Liriano gets out of the first inning at Indy tonight, throws 13 pitches gets 1 K and allows 2 hits as he makes his rehab appearance.

  26. Thundercrack says:

    I think he was on vacation a few weeks ago and this past weekend he said he went to Cincinnati to see Motley Crüe. I hate that I know this.

  27. Maz in Iowa says:

    OK I agree with that

  28. Thundercrack says:

    Tabata still not in the lineup for Indy

  29. Arriba Wilver says:

    If it makes you feel any better I know he is going to see Paul McCartney tonight and saw Guns ‘n Roses last night (or sometime recently). I won’t fall off my chair till he says he went somewhere to see Billy Joel.

    Thanks for the info.;-)

  30. Arriba Wilver says:

    Oh, I guess the Guns ‘n Roses was the same gig. He did say that his groups had finally gotten to the stage that they weren’t any good anymore.

  31. Thundercrack says:

    G&R might have been during his recent vacation. Vegas ? I wish I was seeing McCartney

  32. Arriba Wilver says:

    To finish up the Madden thing, Greg Brown was also on before DK. He had an interesting thing to say about Harrison, which I don’t know if it was based on inside knowledge, supposition or both. He said that he thought Matheny had told Clint he was considering Harrison a week or 2 ago and there was at least the possibility that Clint was trying to get him more at bats to help show that he was worthy, which I took as a possibility as an explanation for some of the recent substitutions. (Just reporting). Wasn’t paying 100% attention at the time, so I might not have that exactly right.

  33. Maz in Iowa says:

    Any truth to the rumor that PNC is now called the “Josh Mahal”…. :)

  34. Nate83 says:

    How can a city with so much baseball history have such bad commentators during their pregame show? I’m listening to the Cards pregame show on XM radio and they are almost impossible to listen to. Hopefully the in game guys are better.

    Ken Rosenthal mentioned DK’s column about JHay on MLB radio earlier today. Complimented it and then said they would talk about JHay more later in the show. I unfortunately had to eat dinner so didn’t hear the conversation. A majority of national guys where not a fan of him making the team because he isn’t a “starter” which is being almost as ignorant as giving the Polanco call up all the credit for the strong Pirate play of late. Even though he has cooled off considerable during this 12-4 run.

  35. Through 4 now. 3 hits, no walks and no runs.

  36. dennis g. says:

    Is it really possible that the possibility of a player making the All-Star team ever enters Hurdle’s mind when he makes out a lineup. I find this astounding.

  37. dennis g. says:

    Bonds could have done with a little more coaching in 92.

  38. Arriba Wilver says:

    No surprise the National guys wouldn’t like it. Wonder what they would think if he played for New York or Boston or LA? Brilliant move?

  39. Arriba Wilver says:

    “Just reporting.” But I didn’t take Greg as talking about the lineups, but the substitutions. Have to take it up with him.

  40. Tom P. says:

    The conventional wisdom would be that those teams are so good that even their backups are better than everybody else.

  41. Patrick(ri) says:

    The NY Times did a 3/4 page story about Brock Holt last week. Wonder if he would have gotten a paragraph if he were still a Pirate?

  42. Arriba Wilver says:


  43. Rock Ain't Dead says:

    With home field advantage riding on the game (the most ridiculous thing in sports) the manager is tasked with winning the game. In a one game scenario, a guy like JHay becomes a logical choice. All Star players are everyday players and not accustomed to coming off the bench or playing multiple positions. Selecting a proven Swiss Army knife on the roster is a byproduct of the home field determination.

    He’s had a great 1st half, but the circumstances are also in his favor and he fits the bill nicely.

  44. Milo Hamilton says:

    Liriano vs the Iron Pigs …

    6 scoreless innings on only 3 hits. He struckout 8 including the last 5 batters he faced. 76 pitches / 53 strikes.

  45. dennis g. says:

    I don’t hold it against Harrison that he is a jack of all trades, but I don’t think he should be rated above someone else who has played everyday at a single position and with comparable numbers. I surely pick Harrison from a team with no other worthy representatives.

  46. dennis g. says:

    You mean if he were in Indy.

  47. Milo Hamilton says:

    I expect Cole to go on the DL & Cumpton to pitch Wednesday. With the break looming he’d only have to miss 1 start. If everything’s OK of course.

  48. tomf says:

    but I thought it was due to a ‘rift’


    maybe the errors and lack of offensive production were responsible for Alavarez sitting

    imagine that

  49. Milo Hamilton says:

    Game Time – 9:00 eastern.

  50. Patrick(ri) says:

    No doubt, though I am not sure he was pigeonholed yet by Pirates.

  51. tomf says:

    rather have Alvarez at first base – he could be a dynamite first basemen

    move Alvarez to 1B and Walker to 3B during the off season

    Harrison to 2B

  52. Brandie says:

    Pleased as punch for JHay and Elementary My Dear Watson. Hoping Charlie Morton pitched like his Azz is on Fire!!!

    Good Evening My Blog Brethren!

  53. Jandy says:

    It’s a Boss sighting :)

  54. Jandy says:

    Hey, hey, it’s Brandie Sistah :)

  55. Thundercrack says:

    I’m surprised they kept him in that long

  56. Milo Hamilton says:

    They’ll probably go to 90 pitches next time & then he’ll be ready coming out of the break.

  57. Brandie says:

    Holy Cow! What is up woman?

  58. Andrew says:

    He was schedule for 5 innings or 85 pitches, I believe.

  59. Andrew says:


  60. tomf says:

    Baseball Reference – WAR:

    Tulowitzki – 5.2
    Stanton – 5.0
    Trout – 5.0
    Lucroy – 4.4
    McCutchen – 4.2
    Gordon – 3.8

  61. Brandie says:

    Has Josh Harrison become like Bugs Bunny vs The Gas House Gorillas?

  62. Milo Hamilton says:

    Wham a homer. Wham another homer. Wham, wham, wham !

  63. Jandy says:

    LOL just so wildly busy, it’s hard to keep up here..good to see you :)

  64. Brandie says:

    Josh Harrison 96
    Fightin’ Wainwright’s 95.

  65. Andrew says:

    That is what you call an Ump Show.

  66. Brandie says:

    I hear ya! Me as well.

  67. Patrick(ri) says:

    Looked to me like he stuck the arm out there.

  68. Milo Hamilton says:

    It’s fine if he wants to call that. I just want to see it when Charlie starts plunking people.

  69. JRay3 says:

    Well at least Bucs make Wainwright work in first as he needs 22 pitches to get through first.

  70. theplanisworking says:

    You are good to see you as well?

    Brandie, I think your Hippie weekend was better than you let on ……….

    Wham a Homer! (amongst other things ) …..

  71. Milo Hamilton says:

    Especially Matt Holliday.

  72. Nate83 says:

    Jim please tell me that the Cards switch radio announcers every 3rd inning. This is very, very, very painful to listen to. I’m seriously considering watching gamecast just so I don’t have to hear Mike Shannon.

  73. Jandy says:

    Yinz kill me :)

  74. tomf says:

    if the batter leans into a pitch that is just off the plate I can understand the call (ala Peters Twp HS baseball)

    but not in that situation

  75. Brandie says:

    Good Evening Plangelina Jolie!

  76. Brandie says:

    The weekend passed by in a haze, a Purple Haze!

  77. Patrick(ri) says:

    He would have been ok if he had not lifted his elbow up as he turned?

  78. Milo Hamilton says:

    Looks like it should be a fun week weather wise in St. Louis. The Mississippi River is scheduled to begin flooding Thursday morning because of heavy rains forecast over the next few days.

  79. Patrick(ri) says:

    This has to be tough on Morton.

  80. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nothing is easy for Morton.

  81. Patrick(ri) says:

    Suppose he held his breath on Pedro’s throws?

  82. theplanisworking says:

    Brandie, leave me out of it. ;)

  83. Maz in Iowa says:

    The gushing/fawning by the Cardinal announcers is made all the worse by me being Pepto Bismol challenged. :) Srsly these guys are uber sickening!!!

  84. Milo Hamilton says:

    Add a wet ball to the equation.

  85. Maz in Iowa says:

    This is why it’s been renamed the “mudwest”.

  86. JRay3 says:

    Mercer really needed to do something with that pitch.

  87. JRay3 says:

    JHay with just another superb play…takes extra bases away from Craig.

  88. Lad 9 says:


  89. Chuck H says:

    Someone’s always messing up a potential big inning, only I thought it would be Pedro.

  90. JRay3 says:

    Wainwright can be had, just hope Pirates get to him before he figures it out and settles in.

  91. Patrick(ri) says:

    Somebody tell Holiday to go back to sleep.

  92. JRay3 says:

    50 pitches through three but a couple of double plays allow Wainwright to escape unharmed.

  93. chris says:

    David Price idea…Since we’re reluctant to trade top prospects and pay top dollar next year, why not give up 2 top prospects for him this year and trade him in the offseason for a high prospect back?

  94. Andrew says:

    Yeah I am encouraged by the Pirates start against him but it might be a mirage.

  95. Milo Hamilton says:

    Nice job not to ask Searage about Cole. Should have been the first question.

  96. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’m never encouraged by no runs.

  97. Maz in Iowa says:

    Let’s go Chuckles!!

  98. Andrew says:

    Base runners, balls in play, two walks and no strikeouts, these kind of things lead to runs, but Wainwright might just be toying with the Pirates.

  99. Flbucco says:

    The dollars are just to hard for this team to swallow…

    I saw an estimate of $20M for his next year salary – that just blows up the payroll – and makes it very hard to flip him for prospects…

  100. Milo Hamilton says:

    Indy’s website now lists Jay Jackson as Wednesday’s starter. Back to the DL for Cole.

  101. JRay3 says:

    Ike going opposite field and Bucs have table set for Pedro.

  102. Maz in Iowa says:

    Thought Cole pitched tomorrow

  103. JRay3 says:

    And he doesn’t even swing at a strike and force Wainwright to at least make a pitch to him in zone.

  104. DJ says:

    Pedro forgets to bring his fork.

  105. dennis g. says:

    I was just commenting or questioning if someone knows. I did not really expect an answer. But how could it not be about lineups, I think Harrison has pinch hit about four times in the past two months? The one thing he does poorly by the way.

  106. Tom P. says:

    Why would anyone throw Alvarez a strike again?

  107. Neil says:

    If the traded Pedro tomorrow it wouldn’t make me mad.

  108. Milo Hamilton says:


  109. Bizrow says:

    There were pictures of Cole on Root, the throwing session did not look good

  110. JRay3 says:

    Nice to have a guy like Cumpton available and ready.

    All-Star break will help eat some days, key is to get him fully healthy.

    By looks of today Liriano should be close to so all not lost.

  111. DJ says:

    Did I hear Pedro has RBIs in only 4 games over the last month?

    Wow. Seemed more like 3 games to me.

  112. Thundercrack says:

    I checked Fangraphs. It tells me Pedro disappoints again.

  113. dennis g. says:

    Well they weren’t going to make him an outfielder and they were on record as saying he was not in their plans as a shortstop. The frightening thing is they may have somehow kept him instead of JHay and never let either one of them play.

  114. Bizrow says:

    I like Pedro, but yep.

    He looks lost, CH may not have found his button yet

  115. JRay3 says:

    Pirates really letting Wainwright off hook tonight, plenty of chances but inability to cash in.

  116. Chuck H says:

    I see we’re back to our old ways of not hitting with RISP. Mercer did not get a ball in the strike zone..but he kept swinging.

  117. DJ says:

    Sensing a Lonely Libertarian blog appearance soon.

    Where’s AW?

  118. chethejet1 says:

    Pedro has had some terrible at bats and just isn’t really showing any interest in using his eye and experience at the plate. Players who take a poor mental approach will fail. His struggles are just killing this team and has to end one way or the other. 4 RBI’s in the last month is cause for alarm.

  119. Milo Hamilton says:

    I was lumping Mercer’s AB in also.

  120. JRay3 says:

    As dominant a four innings you will see as Morton is not giving the Cards any chances.

  121. dennis g. says:

    Pedro who has “heated up” in June played in 26 games and had RBI’s in 6. In six games in July, zero RBI’s

  122. Maz in Iowa says:

    Charlie is dealing.The dude is a filthy beast tonight!!

  123. DJ says:

    Would really like to see is some conviction in his swing, Chet.

    From the get go he looks like he’s swinging to keep an at bat alive rather than roping one to the outfield.

  124. Flbucco says:


  125. Milo Hamilton says:

    The Old Gunner used to say, you had better get the great pitchers early or you won’t get them at all.

  126. DJ says:

    Announcers just said RBIs in 4 games since June 6th or 7th, I believe.

    You have all of June. No need to quibble though — both stink.

  127. Lonely Libertarian says:


  128. DJ says:


  129. twentytwo22 says:

    McCutchen swung through a hanging curveball.

  130. Lonely Libertarian says:

    Thinking of changing to a Nellie King handle and avatar ;-)

  131. Breakthestreak says:

    Listening to the Cards announcers on MLB. They are horrible! Ouch. Clueless and boring

  132. Chuck H says:

    The only mistake that Marte made was not hitting a HR. We all knew there was nobody to drive him in. Still not hitting with RISP1

  133. Arriba Wilver says:



  134. Milo Hamilton says:

    If the sabermetricians had their way, we’d be killing them. It’s all about OBP you know.

  135. Patrick(ri) says:

    So far, the ump is calling a good game.

  136. Milo Hamilton says:

    He leaned right into that. Where’s the consistency ?

  137. Patrick(ri) says:

    He didn’t lift his leg. So to speak.

  138. DJ says:

    Sure. Just give us a heads up so we can keep an eye out for you.

    For all we know you might be that freaky-looking cat “Johnny Styles” from the morning blog.

  139. dennis g. says:

    I’m not quibbling, just providing more info,

  140. Milo Hamilton says:

    Pirates hitting .253 with runners in scoring position. That’s 6th in NL.

  141. twentytwo22 says:

    Very win-able game.

  142. theplanisworking says:

    Milo, I thought it was run differential that was the all-mighty stat?
    Or did that change again in the past 1/2 hour?
    OPS+, xFip, BaBip, xWAR, yWAR, EIEIO………. ;)
    Maybe you can ask Grumpy Cat for some SABR help?

    Or do we need Guy Frieri to wow us?

  143. chethejet1 says:

    Pedro aggressive hit it hard from last year is no where to be seen. Maybe he has hit bottom, but he, Walker, to a lesser degree Davis are not hitting well.

  144. DJ says:

    Me who wasn’t going to quibble with you.

  145. Andrew says:

    Well that’s a reductionist take, in a single game it is all about sequencing.

  146. Steelag70 says:

    This is ridiculous….

  147. chethejet1 says:

    Man bring back steroids, can anyone hit the ball out anymore? Not even a loud foul. Pedro is up

  148. Maz in Iowa says:

    Al Hrabosky is a horrible announcer.

  149. Steelag70 says:

    And here comes another K for Petey..

  150. DJ says:

    Who’s the blonde with the “ball” t-shirt behind home plate?

    It was either watch her or Pedro.

  151. DJ says:

    Statistic geekspeak for stacking several hits in one inning.

  152. Lonely Libertarian says:

    What a waste – after those AWESOME at bats by Martin and Walker, Pedro strikes out again!

  153. Arriba Wilver says:

    Noticed her, too.

  154. Steelag70 says:

    Very nice Cholly….

  155. chethejet1 says:

    Morton has pitched really well, but the lead off walk is what keeps him from being very good.

  156. Arriba Wilver says:

    Here’s a traditional stat. Wainwright is leading the majors with an ERA under 2.

  157. DJ says:

    Yeah, not too shabby, AW.

    BTW, what did Pedro do?

  158. Lonely Libertarian says:

    And then he makes an easy DP look hard – what a showboat – yep time to trade him for a couple of dozen bats.

  159. Steelag70 says:

    Cholly should consider calling Edgar after tonight’s game…

  160. Milo Hamilton says:

    Thanks. I have such a headache.

  161. Neil says:

    Why would he want to call Edgar Winter?

  162. Maz in Iowa says:

    He’s Pedro.What do you think?

  163. Steelag70 says:

    Should Petey break out of this funk, I sure hope you commend him with as much zeal as when you jump on him while he is now struggling…

  164. Milo Hamilton says:

    And wins. You remember wins. I’m told that’s how they determine the standings.

  165. Nate83 says:

    He has hit bottom by hitting over .300 for his last 15 games. I hope all of our hitter hit bottom soon. What a month we will have. The guy is really being over analyzed at this point. His hitting stats have been just fine since May 1st. His power numbers could be better and obviously his defense has been a really bad in terms of throwing the ball.

  166. Steelag70 says:

    Edgar Snyder…not Edgar Winter….

  167. Steelag70 says:


  168. Florida Steeler says:

    Why the hell is Morton swinging away??

  169. Arriba Wilver says:

    He’s had several late game substitutions recently, when a lefty comes in and for defensive purposes.

  170. Maz in Iowa says:


  171. Nate83 says:

    Ahhhh, I thought it was the Pirates offense that was horrible. You went and ruined it by telling me Wainwright is pretty good.

  172. Maz in Iowa says:

    How about Mortimer?

  173. Steelag70 says:

    Freakin’ great….all we need now is for Marte to have a broken hand….

  174. DJ says:

    Maybe shorten it, LL.

    Go with “rubber stamp” each time and save yourself the typing.

  175. tomf says:

    and this possibly illustrates why Martin raised his arm

  176. Milo Hamilton says:

    Late / close – McCutchen 39 AB’s – 2 RBI.

  177. Arriba Wilver says:

    Preaching to the choir, Milo.


  178. Steelag70 says:

    Unbelieveable….failing yet again to get a runner home….

  179. Florida Steeler says:

    Blown chance after chance tonight.

  180. Lad 9 says:

    Same here. She is a definite all star!

  181. Bizrow says:

    All I have to say is CRAP…

    I’m thinking we will win this game though

  182. Nate83 says:

    The sad thing is he is not struggling. He hit .299 with a .396 OBP in June and is 3 for 14 in July. Hardly enough at bats to consider it struggling.

  183. JRay3 says:

    And Cutch strands two more, nine total for the game, really hope they win this one to avoid a lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda with this game.

  184. twentytwo22 says:

    Marte hits the ball hard 3 times then gets one behind his head first pitch. F Wainwright.

  185. Steelag70 says:

    At least Wainright is done for the night….

  186. tomf says:


    the surprise tactic of allowing the pitcher to swing – a pitcher that cannot hit – somehow was not productive

  187. Arriba Wilver says:

    Stinks. It’s because we can’t hit with RISP.

    how’s the Cards’ bullpen? (I really don’t know)

  188. Steelag70 says:

    That was my thought too….

  189. Bizrow says:


  190. pattonbb says:

    Absolutely agree. Zero chance that was accidental.

  191. Florida Steeler says:

    Pure stupidity and he has 6 sacrifices!!! Hurdle must have a bubble gum high.

  192. Steelag70 says:

    Very nice play Petey….

  193. Patrick(ri) says:

    He does seem less effective late in games. Any stats on men lob in those at bats?

  194. Bizrow says:

    Bring the D

  195. Lonely Libertarian says:

    Thank God Davis is a GREAT first baseman – that throw was awful!

  196. Steelag70 says:

    Some outstanding D tonight behind Cholly….

  197. JRay3 says:

    Charlie has actually been more dominant than Wainwright this evening, wish team could get him a run or two.

    Morton probably knew coming in this could be way game shook out, and he has been more than up to the task.

    Nice corner IF defense by Pedro and Ike that half inning.

  198. Andrew says:

    Morton getting some good defense for a change.

  199. Lad 9 says:

    I’ve got it! Even on a routine ground ball that Pedro has already snagged, he should dive to the ground and come up throwing. That was his best throw in weeks…..

  200. Steelag70 says:

    Really dude?? Is it that hard for you to complement Alvarez even just once?

  201. Patrick(ri) says:

    That guy(Matinez?) who mows us down is starting now, isn’t he?

  202. Arriba Wilver says:

    Wasn’t paying attention. I was trying to read what it said on her T-Shirt.

  203. Patrick(ri) says:

    Never mind, saw the graphic.

  204. DJ says:

    You know you’re ruining our rep as Pedro bashers, Milo.

  205. Arriba Wilver says:


  206. Lonely Libertarian says:

    NO! It is Pedro’s fault – get with the program!

  207. Milo Hamilton says:

    I’ve come to the conclusion that Lonely Libertarian & FlBucco are really the Heat Miser & the Snow Miser. :)

  208. Lonely Libertarian says:

    You don’t get sarcasm do u?

  209. Steelag70 says:


  210. DJ says:

    Not buying it, AW.

    With your eyes I’ll bet you zeroed in on “Made in Honduras” even in 6-point type.

  211. Maz in Iowa says:


  212. Steelag70 says:

    Ok Petey…..just once tonight now, huh??

  213. Milo Hamilton says:

    Pedro is going to have to hit here. All those AB’s he’s gotten against lefties recently should really come in handy.

  214. Bizrow says:

    Ok, Petey ONE TIME

  215. Bizrow says:

    Well, maybe next time

  216. Maz in Iowa says:

    Geez Pedro!

  217. Andrew says:

    Good thing the Pirates have that left handed bench bat.

  218. Bizrow says:


  219. Milo Hamilton says:

    What ? Not Worley ?

  220. Steelag70 says:

    Petey is responsible for his performance no doubt, but that’s what the Buccos get for tinkering with Petey’s swing this season…

  221. Bizrow says:


  222. Lonely Libertarian says:

    Just trying to have some fun Milo and hoping that maybe people might stop and think before reacting…

    Baseball is a very hard game – even great players like Cutch fail,more often than they succeed. Tonight is a really good example…

    Cutch has had more than one opportunity to have an impact – the fact that he has not in no way makes me think any
    Less of him.

    We can all agree that Pedro is flawed – but what are the alternatives?

  223. Bizrow says:

    I meant +++++

  224. Patrick(ri) says:

    This game has all the offensive excitement of a soccer match.

  225. JRay3 says:

    12 LOB…story of game

  226. Steelag70 says:


  227. Bizrow says:

    Hold em Bucs

  228. Steelag70 says:

    Rest of the league has caught up with Polanco…his turn to make adjustments now…..

  229. JRay3 says:

    Good thing the Cards have an anemic offense. Time for pen to pickup where Charlie left off.

  230. pattonbb says:

    Pedro must be teaching Polanco how to hit lefties.

  231. Steelag70 says:

    Do we ever get Jon Jay out anymore??

  232. Lonely Libertarian says:

    Geez Andrew!

  233. Steelag70 says:


  234. Maz in Iowa says:


  235. JRay3 says:

    Yes sir, base running blunder and heads up play by JHay and now top of Bucs order due up.

  236. Andrew says:

    Thanks Cardinals.

  237. Steelag70 says:

    Nevermind…he gets himself out. :D

  238. Neil says:

    Holy mackerel, Andy!!

  239. Steelkings says:


    Harrison homer will win it

  240. Milo Hamilton says:

    Polanco & Tavares – that was symmetrical.

  241. Maz in Iowa says:

    Really really really stupid mistake by Jay.Little League blunder

  242. DJ says:

    Yeah, like taking the outer half strike the other way with two strikes. Funny thing is he did this his first couple games.

    Gotta be Pedro’s influence rubbin’ off on him.

  243. Patrick(ri) says:

    May as well hit a home Ron, J hay.

  244. Arriba Wilver says:

    The two All Stars.

  245. Steelkings says:

    in the 12th

  246. Steelag70 says:

    Another funky delivery from a pitcher….

  247. Patrick(ri) says:

    That is a Ron, he hit there.

  248. Baywatch says:

    Jay McHay!!!!

  249. Steelkings says:

    Nesheck looks like the guy from The Hangover

  250. Tom P. says:

    Brewers lost, Reds won.

  251. Arriba Wilver says:

    He’s not as funny, though.

  252. Arriba Wilver says:

    Yeah, we don’t do well with those.

  253. Patrick(ri) says:

    This ump is old school. I kind of like it. Keep the gamer rolling.

  254. Arriba Wilver says:


  255. Tom P. says:

    Watson only threw 5 pitches that inning. Don’t we want him to face the top of the order?

  256. DJ says:

    So if you’re a MLB ump and in an absolute nail-biting 0-0 classic in the 9th inning, you want to make sure you remind all fans watching that it’s all about YOU.


  257. Milo Hamilton says:

    LOB tonight:

    Mercer 6
    McCutchen 5
    Alvarez 5
    Martin 4

  258. Lonely Libertarian says:

    Going to be a long haul – four teams – could be only one spot – but more likely 2…

    Bucs are in it – but so are the other 3.

  259. Chuck H says:

    What is wrong with Polanco? He is imitating Alverez in striking out. Maybe he wasn’t ready for the Big Top and I know we’re going to lose this one. No hitting with RISP!!!

  260. tomf says:

    long looping swing

  261. Patrick(ri) says:

    5×1 he slaps one into right.

  262. Milo Hamilton says:


  263. Andrew says:

    Just Brutal.

  264. KING says:

    Hate these games when a team dominates but can’t score. I like Hurdle’s decision to take out Morton with bases loaded. Please get hit Polanco. Strikes out. Cardinals win 2-0 on Walk Off Hr. Tough loss. :( KING

  265. Steelag70 says:

    Freakin’ ridiculous….

  266. Milo Hamilton says:

    Kolten Wong’s error on a routine ground ball won that game for the Cardinals.

  267. twentytwo22 says:

    Bullpen stinks again

    Watson, Melancon


    Wilson, Gomez



  268. DJ says:

    Wilson not my pick there.

    Needs to show better command of strike zone first before he re-earns that level of trust.

  269. Chuck H says:

    Charlie Morton deserved least he didn’t lose the game. I hate Matt Adams!!

  270. Baywatch says:

    Bad Wilson! I hate to pile on, but WRONG place to through a slow, roundhouse curve!

  271. JRay3 says:

    The cruelty of the game of baseball at times.

    Don’t feel Cards deserved a win but they get the only big hit of the game.

    Pirates had many, many chances tonight and let St. Louis off the hook.

    Regroup and get back at it tomorrow.

  272. Steelag70 says:

    Just can’t seem to beat teams in our own division not named the Cubs….

  273. Patrick(ri) says:

    ++++> only big hit

  274. DJ says:

    Not to mention elevated and center-cut.

    But I just did.

  275. DJ says:

    Must be saving Watson’s arm for his All-Star appearance.

    Pitch limit of 5.

  276. Andrew says:

    Yeah Adams is worse than Alvarez against LHP, but even terrible hitters can hit a center cut hanging curve.

  277. Lonely Libertarian says:

    And those five runners Cutch left on don’t matter – all polanco’s fault – or maybe Pedro’s

    Baseball is HARD – failure is the norm…

    Tonight was an awesome game Morton was spectacular…

    Marte got a couple of hits off of one of the best right handers in the game.

    Adams is a Western PA guy – would look great in a Buc uniform n first base for the next 15 years – but no need for that we have the great Ike Davis…

    Take a dep breath and get them tomorrow!

  278. Andrew says:

    Hurdle’s in-game management leaves a lot to be desired, but way too many opportunities missed tonight.

  279. DJ says:

    Understood, but all things being equal, saving the 8th and 9th for my two best pitchers out of the bullpen. Wilson not one of them right now.

    And if one of two is not available, having the other one pitch the 9th.

  280. DJ says:

    One potential positive with Polanco struggling is maybe he signs soon.

    Just keeping it upbeat.

  281. Andrew says:

    Just saying you have to shake your head at the missed chances. But I completely agree, on the road you need to extend the game, go with your best pitchers, Watson again, then Melancon. Why save them for a opportunity that might not happen?

  282. Andrew says:

    Cole to DL, Cumpton will pitch Wednesday. Goodnight.

  283. Daquido_Bazzini says:

    I HATE seeing a big goof like Matt Adams a hero against Pittsburgh once again.

  284. Sarcastic Sword says:

    Taking out Watson after five pitches was stupid – I said it before Wilson threw pitch 1.

    You dont worry about tomorrow when today ‘s game is still up for grabs.

    Its moves like this one that always makes me think that Hurdle isnt an asset in that I never believe he ever out-manages the other guy.

  285. You should have given it one of those little Favorite stars, like on Twitter. That would clearly illustrate your support of the position.

  286. dennis g. says:

    I was thinking that when it happened, hoped CH would put Snider in but knew he wouldn’t. Probably would have been the same result, but don’t like relying on a guy to get a hit that you kept out for not hitting.

  287. dennis g. says:

    I love Matt Adams and like seeing him do well. I don’t want him to beat the Pirates but I want him to have great personal success. Wonder why the Pirates did not draft him but I guess he can’t pitch.

  288. dennis g. says:

    Since the start of 2013 Adams has hit .205 against lefties and Pedro has hit .181.

  289. Jandy says:

    THIS is why the Bucs lost last night.

  290. dennis g. says:

    Six games with RBI’s; twenty games with no RBI’s in June; many of his hits were gifts given by the “shiftmeisters.” No RBI since.

  291. dennis g. says:

    I think he missed the first thousand times you defended Pedro.

  292. dennis g. says:

    I don’t know who those persons are but LL and FlB are one and the same. He has said this on the blog.

  293. dennis g. says:

    Why aren’t they tinkering with the golf swing he uses between pitches. I saw him use that in the game last night (I think in his last at bat.) It wasn’t pretty and resulted in a pop up. I just don’t see how it can be helpful to practice doing something the wrong way. The way you practice is the way you play.

  294. Chuck H says:

    Personally, I’m getting tired of these occasional games by the Pirates, when they don’t hit with RISP. The Cards weren’t even getting runners on, so they weren’t as bad with the
    RISP. They were just waiting for the right hitter and the right pitcher to make a mistake.
    And it happened..come on more of those games where you can’t hit with RISP!

  295. Chuck H says:

    Milo.. Please explain this.

  296. Chuck H says:

    Milo..please explain how an error by the Cards win the game for Cards?

  297. dennis g. says:

    Because it forced CH (in his own mind anyway) to pinch hit for Morton without scoring a run on the play. The pinch hitter was very unlikely to get a hit and Morton would be out of the game forcing CH to pick a relief pitcher without making a mistake. He couldn’t do it.

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